Patterico's Pontifications

11/23/2012

Comment Tweaks

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:51 am

Recent Comments are back. (Ding!) Comments alternate between a white and a light gray background to make it easier to distinguish between comments. Currently, my comments have a yellow color, which makes them stick out uniquely. Also, every commenter is currently assigned a unique hash tag, like they have at Ace’s. It gives no hint as to what your actual IP address is, but if a troll tries to leave multiple comments using different names from the same IP, you will be able to catch them.

Let me and Admin Guy know what you think.

128 Comments

  1. Ding!

    Has Mark weighed in on any of this yet?

    Comment by Patterico (43b036) — 11/23/2012 @ 11:52 am

  2. I really like the yellow because there have been times people said obnoxious stuff here while pretending to be me. That strategem will now be easily defeated.

    Comment by Patterico (43b036) — 11/23/2012 @ 11:54 am

  3. If you leave comments from different IPs, you get more than one hashtag.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/23/2012 @ 11:55 am

  4. All even numbered comments are shaded gray (which somehow looks to me like it is text that could be skipped) and odd numbered comments are plain, except for those from Patterico, and if there are any from Patterico, the background color scheme doesn’t skip numbers, so that we could see, say, just yellow and white for a while.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/23/2012 @ 11:57 am

  5. I too was wondering about Mark’s reaction to these commenting changes. Have we seen the last of the horizontal line comment marker?

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 11/23/2012 @ 11:57 am

  6. No, even numbered comments from anyone but patterico they are not shaded gray any more, but purple.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/23/2012 @ 11:58 am

  7. I am not a number. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9IF207MR14

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:06 pm

  8. Awesome changes. This makes everything much easier.

    Comment by Ghost (2d8874) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:10 pm

  9. i want my own background color.

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:23 pm

  10. Please extend my compliments to the sorcerer who added the much-appreciated upgrades.

    Comment by Sarahw (b0e533) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:23 pm

  11. We are back to the last ten comments, not 15 (which was an improvement) and not how long since the last comments were left. (that last looked like something from Weinergate Twitter screencaps, but was good)

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:36 pm

  12. Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:06 pm

    I am not a number.

    You are a hexidecimal number!

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:37 pm

  13. I am not a number.

    Frankly, I prefer the other Number 6, although Number Eight wasn’t bad either.

    Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:52 pm

  14. Mark said he liked it somewhen along the changes. I like borders better than colors for moderators and administrators, but that’s a taste thing. Nicely done.

    Comment by htom (412a17) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:53 pm

  15. “You didn’t build that !”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 11/23/2012 @ 1:26 pm

  16. I like the new format for comments. I also like using the old format for the Recent Comments — that is, names and threads but no time frame.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/23/2012 @ 1:27 pm

  17. Will the unique hashtag stay the same every day, as long as the commenter is commenting from the same IP?

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/23/2012 @ 1:28 pm

  18. I believe it will, DRJ, but only Admin Guy knows for sure.

    Comment by Patterico (43b036) — 11/23/2012 @ 1:33 pm

  19. I’ll ask him.

    Comment by Patterico (43b036) — 11/23/2012 @ 1:34 pm

  20. If you have a “static” IP, I think it would. There are a some of flavors of dynamic IPs that can change “under” you — your router and provider can negotiate a change you don’t even have to know about. (Man in the middle attack, yes, ….)

    Comment by htom (412a17) — 11/23/2012 @ 2:27 pm

  21. Yellow would be the last color I would associate with you, Pat.

    I do like the changes. Congratulations.

    Comment by Ed from SFV (d6995f) — 11/23/2012 @ 2:35 pm

  22. I checked some of my old comments and it looks like my hashtag stayed the same, but there were exceptions. Those may have been comments made from another IP, like a family member’s computer or my phone.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/23/2012 @ 3:35 pm

  23. The hashtag is growing on me, though. It looks different but I think making it public may have some benefits. It’s a little like requiring registration without actually making commenters register. The only thing it won’t do is keep a commenter from using different names and IPs, but that takes more effort than some people will make.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/23/2012 @ 3:40 pm

  24. The numbers make it look like a blog of convicts.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 11/23/2012 @ 3:41 pm

  25. (31009b) #24 – of course – since most of us commenting here have strong convictions …

    Comment by Alasdair (2cd241) — 11/23/2012 @ 4:02 pm

  26. (43b036) should be in the Imperial Vermilion, however …

    (grin)

    Comment by Alasdair (2cd241) — 11/23/2012 @ 4:03 pm

  27. Ahhhh … much easier to read the thread.

    Comment by aunursa (7014a8) — 11/23/2012 @ 4:39 pm

  28. Over at Ace’s blog, the use of the hashcodes allows (even encourages) humorous sock-puppetry.

    Just sayin’.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 11/23/2012 @ 4:42 pm

  29. How so, Pious?

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/23/2012 @ 4:48 pm

  30. Well, the hash codes pretty much tag the individual who is leaving the comment.

    Most commenters use a regular handle of course. But if they want to impersonate, for example, our distinguished president and put words into his mouth in a humorous way, they can do so.

    Signing the comment ‘Barack Obama’ but the hash mark lets Ace know who left the comment and if I want to know, I can scan for the hash code and see who really left the comment.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 11/23/2012 @ 4:51 pm

  31. I hadn’t thought of that. It turns every thread into a sockpuppet thread because commenters aren’t really anonymous so they feel free to change names.

    I guess that could happen here, too. IMO it would be a shame because, while it can be funny, it typically ends any real discussion and turns the comments into an insult forum.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/23/2012 @ 5:00 pm

  32. KevinM,

    Thanks loads for the links to Number 6 and Number 8. My girlfriend walked in while I was following your links and thought I was looking at porn! (Grin) She will get over it…8-)

    Comment by Jay H Curtis (804124) — 11/23/2012 @ 5:35 pm

  33. Has Mark weighed in on any of this yet?

    Okay, Pat, that proves — as you did mention awhile back — that you tend not to surf through your own message forums, including no less than your “Happy Thanksgiving” entry!

    Less excuse for anyone now to have eye-freeze (or eyes-glaze-over) at Patterico.com, since the revised format makes your message boards more in keeping with the design of most other forums out there, and therefore browsing through everyone’s posts a bit easier. (I notice Sammy doesn’t agree, but he must be the type who can pore through dense bodies of text without flinching—which is actually quite a feat. Such people remind me of those scholars centuries ago who could write and read endless lines of words without any hesitation.)

    Comment by Mark (52bc92) — 11/23/2012 @ 6:40 pm

  34. The numbers make it look like a blog of convicts.

    LOL. Or it makes me think we’re from the distant future — like an episode of Twilight Zone — where humans now are given numbers instead of names, or another planet, where personal identities are based on some obscure “R2D2″-type system.

    Comment by Mark (52bc92) — 11/23/2012 @ 6:45 pm

  35. i want my own background color.

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 11/23/2012 @ 12:23 pm

    Me too! I look best in jewel tones. So much more becoming than a utilitarian hash tag uniform.

    Comment by Dana (292dcf) — 11/23/2012 @ 6:51 pm

  36. Mark, stop being a spoiled diva. I have been commenting here since 2005, and I only have have one eye lately. The format has always been fine for a very fine commenting site, to me.

    Would monsieur care to switch to another table?

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/23/2012 @ 6:52 pm

  37. And to be totally honest, Mark, I barely read your comments. Look up “prolix”.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/23/2012 @ 6:53 pm

  38. I read comments but sometimes I miss a few. I try to read them all.

    Comment by Patterico (95a699) — 11/23/2012 @ 7:33 pm

  39. But I have not been near computers much today.

    The Rauhauser/ORCA post? Mostly done a couple of days ago. I couldn’t finish it because of issues with uploading images.

    Comment by Patterico (95a699) — 11/23/2012 @ 7:37 pm

  40. Just checking in to see if I have a cool number like 007, perhaps.

    Comment by Gazzer (3e0fe3) — 11/23/2012 @ 7:41 pm

  41. Drat!

    Comment by Gazzer (3e0fe3) — 11/23/2012 @ 7:41 pm

  42. BTW, there is a reason why stark black on stark white has been the standard since writing was invented, but this is fine, too.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/23/2012 @ 7:49 pm

  43. I’m actually partially color blind so it’s all wasted on me.

    Comment by Gazzer (3e0fe3) — 11/23/2012 @ 7:59 pm

  44. I was over at (738df2)’s last night, and he told me that (2b90a4) was inviting everyone over for a party this weekend.

    Comment by (02dd07) (02dd07) — 11/23/2012 @ 8:45 pm

  45. Navyvet, that was funny…

    Comment by Gazzer (9167aa) — 11/23/2012 @ 10:23 pm

  46. Funning. See if it works?

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/23/2012 @ 10:41 pm

  47. Let’s play a little more.

    Comment by Anonymous Old Man (875f57) — 11/23/2012 @ 10:43 pm

  48. Really ancient Chinese ink is a deep purple, and it was used on thinly sliced bamboo.

    Comment by htom (412a17) — 11/23/2012 @ 11:11 pm

  49. I like the visual separation between comments from the shading; if anything, it may still be too subtle though. The unique and more sharply contrasting color for Patrick’s comments is also a good idea. But … yellow?

    Comment by Beldar (cab489) — 11/24/2012 @ 12:55 am

  50. Quite rightly.

    Comment by Icy (Barabajagal) (aae897) — 11/24/2012 @ 2:30 am

  51. Donovan?

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 11/24/2012 @ 3:49 am

  52. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/23/2012 @ 5:00 pm

    IMO it would be a shame because, while it can be funny, it typically ends any real discussion and turns the comments into an insult forum.

    So, you’ve been to Ace of Spades, then. :)

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 11/24/2012 @ 4:51 am

  53. Mark, stop being a spoiled diva.

    Spoiled diva? Damn, NK. You make it sound like I’m commenting in a manner similar to Beldar. Actually, based on the way quite a few message forums are quite heavily formatted — and, if anything, overdone — more than a few folks who configure HTML probably would respond in a similar way.

    BTW, “prolix?” Until today, I’d have thought that was the name of a high-tech company or something out of Star Trek. My vocabulary has expanded by one new word.

    Similarly, Patterico.com is the reason I first became aware of how theologically extreme and corrupt that Islam is, of how a traditional POV regarding homosexuality is more accurate than I originally believed to be true, and of how liberalism is more two-faced and phony than I assumed was the case several years ago, etc. IOW, my posts here — prolix (like this one) or otherwise — have helped me clarify reality for my own purposes, certainly when I talk to people directly and need reference points.

    Comment by Mark (52bc92) — 11/24/2012 @ 5:23 am

  54. Like the changes, for sure.

    Comment by Kevin P. (a6d18e) — 11/24/2012 @ 5:31 am

  55. I guess it depends upon the monitor; on my fairly bright flatscreen at home, I can just barely make out the yellow for our esteemed host’s comments, but the alternating grey/white comes out as an extremely faint blue on my screen. At my ‘puter at work, with a crappy, 2002 monitor, it’ll probably show up better.

    I s’pose I’ll get a second hex number when I comment from work. I was going to suggest that allowing registration and logins (though not restricting comments to logged in readers) might help, but then I couldn’t have my fun with adjectives.

    Comment by The blogger Dana (f68855) — 11/24/2012 @ 5:39 am

  56. I have wondered about the differing IP’s between my work and home computers as well, and how that will be reflected in our hash codes. And I’m pretty sure I don’t have a dedicated IP on my home computer, that my ISP issues me a new one periodically.

    Could Admin Guy comment on that?

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 11/24/2012 @ 6:22 am

  57. Hey, Mark. This is a fooling thread.

    (I saw a movie once, Red Sun, where Charles Bronson is gobbling down Toshiro Mifune’s food all the time complaining, “You call this food”?)

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/24/2012 @ 6:33 am

  58. Dana the Concrete Contractor,

    I finally got around to checking out my $500.00 Best Buy Toshiba. 300 gigs of hard drive, 3 gigs of hard memory. It sent tears to my eyes for the $3,000.00 I spent in 1992 for my HP 283/40. ;)

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/24/2012 @ 6:39 am

  59. I spent $2500 for a 20 megabyte 8″ hard drive in 1985. I just bought a 64 gigabyte flash drive that’s the size of my thumbnail for $39.

    Comment by htom (412a17) — 11/24/2012 @ 7:35 am

  60. Red Sun is a great movie. Charles Bronson, Toshiro Mifune, Ursula Andress and Alain Delon. How can you go wrong?

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 11/24/2012 @ 7:50 am

  61. nk: Oh, I know: what I paid for a 486 in 1994 — and I thought I was hot, with it and ultimately cool for having a 486 — was something like $1,600, and I guarantee it didn’t have that much memory.

    I still have some old 3½” floppy disks for that machine packed up around here. The one thing I really liked about the 3½ disks, as opposed to the old 5¼” floppies, was that they kind of looked like the old data tapes that you’d see Dr McCoy and Mr Spock handling on the original Star Trek.

    Comment by The concrete-brained Dana (f68855) — 11/24/2012 @ 8:25 am

  62. 52bc92 wrote:

    LOL. Or it makes me think we’re from the distant future — like an episode of Twilight Zone — where humans now are given numbers instead of names, or another planet, where personal identities are based on some obscure “R2D2″-type system.

    You know, I’d really liked to have picked my own number. Can I have 80, my old number from high school football?

    Comment by The f68855 Dana (f68855) — 11/24/2012 @ 8:28 am

  63. 31009b wrote:

    The numbers make it look like a blog of convicts.

    Well, our esteemed host is a prosecutor!

    Comment by The 3e4784 Dana (f68855) — 11/24/2012 @ 8:31 am

  64. Donovan?
    Comment by mg (31009b) — 11/24/2012 @ 3:49 am

    – E•lec•tric•al ba•nan•a :)

    Comment by Icy (Barabajagal) (aae897) — 11/24/2012 @ 8:46 am

  65. R.I.P. Hector ‘Macho’ Camacho

    Comment by Icy (TKOround10) (aae897) — 11/24/2012 @ 8:51 am

  66. R.I.P. Larry Hagman

    Comment by Icy (eye$hotJR) (aae897) — 11/24/2012 @ 8:52 am

  67. “The numbers make it look like a blog of convicts.”

    Indicted but never convicted.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/24/2012 @ 9:06 am

  68. Can I have “Irises in Monet s Garden” as my background?
    Thanks!!

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 11/24/2012 @ 10:01 am

  69. SPQR, I believe I have seen every Toshiro Mifune movie and every Charles Bronson movie (including the one when he was still Charles Bronchowski with Tracey and Hepburn in “Pat and Mike”). I liked Alain Delon in “Scorpio with Burt Lancaster. Wasn’t Ursula Andress the first Bond girl?

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/24/2012 @ 10:16 am

  70. The first and still the breast best.

    Ahem.

    Comment by Icy (boobees) (aae897) — 11/24/2012 @ 10:40 am

  71. There’s a riot goin’ on…

    Comment by Colonel "makin' small rocks out of BIG rocks" Haiku (87ecda) — 11/24/2012 @ 10:57 am

  72. Who shot Hector ?

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:10 am

  73. I think the unique hash tag can be beat with just a small amount of effort. But it is better then nothing,

    Comment by Mattsky (406d10) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:22 am

  74. troll test post

    Comment by Troll test (4b4a8a) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:29 am

  75. same number?

    Comment by Same Troll (769153) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:31 am

  76. Looks pretty easy to beat.

    Comment by Troll for a third time (141ead) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:33 am

  77. I’m not all that net savvy either.

    Comment by four time loser troll (c7db3d) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:36 am

  78. I just made four posts in about 7 minutes. They all had different hash tags. May be I can sell a service to nut root trolls? ;) Is there a market for that?

    Comment by Mattsky (406d10) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:41 am

  79. “I just made four posts in about 7 minutes. They all had different hash tags.”

    Mattsky – So you just identified five different computers, phones or other devices with internet access you control or have access to? Sweet.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:50 am

  80. I saw this on my SiteMeter. ATT would change my IP randomly. With Comcast I’m consistent.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:55 am

  81. Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/24/2012 @ 11:50 am

    And the NSA just made a note of all that.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 11/24/2012 @ 12:12 pm

  82. So you just identified five different computers, phones or other devices with internet access you control or have access to?

    I have just two. I used only one. if you were right this post would make device #6.

    Comment by Wrong rocky (699d57) — 11/24/2012 @ 12:39 pm

  83. I saw this on my SiteMeter. ATT would change my IP randomly. With Comcast I’m consistent.

    Comment by nk

    Yes… consistently supporting the faaaaaaaarrrrr LEFT.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (d7d36d) — 11/24/2012 @ 12:43 pm

  84. RIP nk… he’s now Fredo to me.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (d7d36d) — 11/24/2012 @ 12:44 pm

  85. I said the hash tag works only if “if a troll tries to leave multiple comments using different names from the same IP.”

    Of course our resident trolls change IPs all the time. Because they can’t quit me.

    So yeah, if you get a new IP, you can trick the hash tag. I never said otherwise.

    Comment by Patterico (43b036) — 11/24/2012 @ 12:53 pm

  86. RIP nk… he’s now Fredo to me.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (d7d36d) — 11/24/2012 @ 12:44 pm

    And I was afraid to tell you that I drink iced skim milk lattes (one sugar), on occasion. Oh well, our relationship has always been electrons.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/24/2012 @ 1:02 pm

  87. “I have just two. I used only one. if you were right this post would make device #6.”

    Mattsky – More good information. Thanks.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/24/2012 @ 1:22 pm

  88. “Forget it, Jake, it’s Chinatown.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 11/24/2012 @ 1:28 pm

  89. MUCH easier read~

    Comment by tifosa (9177b9) — 11/24/2012 @ 1:36 pm

  90. mattsky,

    You used different IPs, right? Or did you do something else?

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/24/2012 @ 1:58 pm

  91. DRJ – I think there are several ways to do what Mattsky did from one machine.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/24/2012 @ 2:11 pm

  92. You used different IPs, right? Or did you do something else?

    Right.

    Mattsky – More good information. Thanks.

    That and $2.00 will get you a cup of coffee in a lot of places.

    Comment by Mattsky (406d10) — 11/24/2012 @ 2:43 pm

  93. Crumcast

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (5088bf) — 11/24/2012 @ 2:44 pm

  94. Our host has assigned us all numbers
    In case we start acting dumber
    If it is our goal
    To act like a troll
    He’ll ban us with lightning and thunder!

    Comment by The Limerick Avenger (f68855) — 11/24/2012 @ 3:01 pm

  95. With numbers we will now get caught
    If we say stuff we really should not
    He just had no choice
    His blog gave a voice
    To people who really should rot.

    Comment by The Limerick Avenger (f68855) — 11/24/2012 @ 3:05 pm

  96. I know the Colonel
    Is really very upset
    He’s hexadecimal.

    Comment by The Haiku Avenger (f68855) — 11/24/2012 @ 3:07 pm

  97. btw, I like my color conversion, sort of dark lilac :) http://www.colorhexa.com/9177b9 Thanks Patterico

    Comment by tifosa (9177b9) — 11/24/2012 @ 3:23 pm

  98. I came in from hanging Christmas lights and some shopping and had a message from Patterico. So, here’s the scoop.

    Patterico suggested I make his comments a subtle yellow. I’ll let him pick a different color if he wants one. I wonder if he recognizes #00CC33.

    The hashtag is tied to the IP address, so you can defeat the system by changing IP addresses. Many ISPs allocate the same IP address if you disconnect and reconnect, but some will give you a new address. I suppose someone can work around the tags by swapping addresses regularly, if they have that capability.

    There are a couple of methods for working around the tags. Mattsky has evidently implemented one. At some point, I’ll have to get curious and look at the logs to see whether I can tell what he’s doing.

    There is a reasonably high-tech potential exploit that would allow someone to generate essentially unlimited hashtags, subject to the limitation of the hash space. I haven’t tested to see whether it can actually be exploited. I suppose I’ll award bonus points (à la Whose Line Is It Anyway?) to the person who figures it out and extra curses for the person who forces me to implement an algorithm to address it.

    @redc1c4: You could offer Patterico boatloads of money to give you your own color. He might bite. Whether you do or you don’t, you should make your Amazon purchases using the Amazon widget at the top right!

    @Sarahw: Aw, shucks. I’m flattered.

    @Sammy Finkelman: Yes, we’re back to 10 comments. I may resuscitate the algorithm that lengthens the comment list during high traffic. I’ve got a couple of other ideas related to comments that may be worth experimenting with and I’ll bounce them off our proprietor at some point. You’re welcome to send him any suggestions you have. He’s a pretty decent stand-up kind of guy.

    @DRJ: As long as your IP address stays the same, your hashtag stays the same.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all.

    Comment by Admin Guy (492627) — 11/24/2012 @ 9:16 pm

  99. Thank you for everything, Admin Guy. Thankgiving’s over. Happy St. Catherine the Great Martyr’s Day to all Catherines, Katerinas, Kates, Katies, and Kathleens.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/24/2012 @ 9:35 pm

  100. I’m thinking that a lefty troll that has the time and ingenuity to spoof hashtags on a simple message board is probably overcompensating for something.

    I will leave it others to parse the particular disorder.

    Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 11/24/2012 @ 10:08 pm

  101. There are a couple of methods for working around the tags. Mattsky has evidently implemented one. At some point, I’ll have to get curious and look at the logs to see whether I can tell what he’s doing.

    Admin Guy send me an e mail and tell you want I did.

    Comment by Mattsky (406d10) — 11/24/2012 @ 10:09 pm

  102. Here’s an idea: Admin Guy, don’t send him an email, because, who cares?

    Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 11/24/2012 @ 10:13 pm

  103. It’s a fun/test/introduction thread. No more need to get bad on Mattsky than me for wasting bandwidth.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/24/2012 @ 10:27 pm

  104. Thanks, Admin Guy, it’s good. (The IP hashtag was my idea, and yes, of course it can be circumvented, but it will catch a lot of the trolls anyway.) A nice feature, if you get really bored one day, would be to keep a database of IP hashes and names, and have each hashtag be a link to a query that would bring up every name that has commented from that IP. This wouldn’t be a lot of work, but of course you’ve probably got a million other things to do first, and it’s nothing more than a “wouldn’t that be nice”.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/24/2012 @ 10:31 pm

  105. @Mattsky: Judging from a quick look at the logs, it looks like you’re bouncing through open proxies.

    @Milhouse: The information is already in the database. If Patterico decided he wanted to add this, I’d have to look at how to make it more efficient. There is some serious data crunching involved.

    For the curious, some statistics:
    * Right now there are 95,537 name/hashtag pairs in the database.
    * There are 165 hashtag collisions in the existing data (two different IP addresses that generate the same hashtag). The hashtag would have to be nine characters long to eliminate all of the collisions.
    * The comment author with the largest number of hashtags is JD. Patterico is a close second. Third place isn’t even close.
    * The hashtag with the largest number of “comment authors” belongs to Dana, who has quite a collection of witty author names.

    And now it’s bedtime.

    Comment by Admin Guy (492627) — 11/25/2012 @ 12:35 am

  106. Yes that is what I was doing.

    Comment by Mattsky (406d10) — 11/25/2012 @ 6:08 am

  107. If Patterico decided he wanted to add this, I’d have to look at how to make it more efficient. There is some serious data crunching involved.

    Forgive my naïveté, but I’d have thought the simplest and most efficient way to do it would be to have a table with just hashtag and name, with a unique index, and every time someone comments attempt to insert into that table. Don’t bother testing for the result; if the pair already exists, let the insert silently fail. This would, it seems to me, add an imperceptible fraction of a second to the process of making a comment, and make the query quick and easy.

    But again, this is a bit of work for just something that it would be nice to have, which is why I only suggested it if you were bored.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/25/2012 @ 6:16 am

  108. Patterico suggested I make his comments a subtle yellow. I’ll let him pick a different color if he wants one.

    You could offer Patterico boatloads of money to give you your own color.

    IMHO, the light-yellow background of Pat’s posts is easier on the eye than the stark white. I notice my eyes gravitating to his text more than the posts set against plain white—yellow seems to alternate better with the blue-gray and may make the forum more visually user friendly. But whatever changes or tweaks help increase the popularity of this forum, that’s what I’m hoping for.

    Comment by Mark (52bc92) — 11/25/2012 @ 6:30 am

  109. 492627 wrote:

    For the curious, some statistics:
    * Right now there are 95,537 name/hashtag pairs in the database.
    * There are 165 hashtag collisions in the existing data (two different IP addresses that generate the same hashtag). The hashtag would have to be nine characters long to eliminate all of the collisions.
    * The comment author with the largest number of hashtags is JD. Patterico is a close second. Third place isn’t even close.
    * The hashtag with the largest number of “comment authors” belongs to Dana, who has quite a collection of witty author names.

    Comment by The Haiku Avenger (f68855) — 11/25/2012 @ 7:46 am

  110. 492627 wrote:

    For the curious, some statistics:
    * Right now there are 95,537 name/hashtag pairs in the database.
    * There are 165 hashtag collisions in the existing data (two different IP addresses that generate the same hashtag). The hashtag would have to be nine characters long to eliminate all of the collisions.
    * The comment author with the largest number of hashtags is JD. Patterico is a close second. Third place isn’t even close.
    * The hashtag with the largest number of “comment authors” belongs to Dana, who has quite a collection of witty author names.

    [Patting self on back!] :) It seems that our esteemed host has granted me some leeway on the comment notice, “Commenters who do not use a consistent name, and/or who use a proxy to post, are subject to banning.”

    However, when I read this I was reminded of a site problem I had. I had installed a widget which noted the total number of comments made by individual commenters, and it cycled through over 80,000 comments every time the page was refreshed, and this created a very noticeable drain on my site host’s service, enough so that I was told that they would not continue to host my site as long as that widget was running. The “95,537 name/hashtag pairs” is the statistic that jumped out at me regarding that.

    Comment by The adjective-laden Dana (f68855) — 11/25/2012 @ 7:55 am

  111. Of course, as the “hashtag (owner) with the largest number of “comment authors””, I think that I should have the honor of a deep purple background with bright gold text, in honor of my high school, for hashtag f68855.

    Comment by The Mt Sterling High School Trojans Dana (f68855) — 11/25/2012 @ 7:59 am

  112. And, as the “hashtag (owner) with the largest number of “comment authors””, I think that I should have the honor of a University of Kentucky blue background with bright white text, in honor of my college, for hashtag 3e4784.

    Comment by The University of Kentucky alumnus Dana (f68855) — 11/25/2012 @ 8:01 am

  113. I had installed a widget which noted the total number of comments made by individual commenters, and it cycled through over 80,000 comments every time the page was refreshed

    Denormalise! Keep a table of counters, and update it as you go along. Screw 2NF, or whichever one it is.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/25/2012 @ 8:02 am

  114. Right now there are 95,537 name/hashtag pairs in the database.

    Unique ones?! That seems rather a lot!

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/25/2012 @ 8:03 am

  115. Milhouse (15b6fd) wrote:

    Unique ones?! That seems rather a lot!

    Not really. Whatever our host’s Admin guru did, it went back through every post on the site and assigned the hashtags . . . and the site has been up for nine years now.

    More, it assigned hashtags to trackbacks and pingbacks, back when the site accepted and published those, but it did not do so for comments on the now-defunct Jury.

    I liked the old Jury, and wish that the idea had not failed.

    Comment by The statistician Dana (f68855) — 11/25/2012 @ 8:18 am

  116. By the way, I hit the enter key too soon, and this comment should be deleted. Admin Guy, make it so.

    Comment by The Dana who fouled up (f68855) — 11/25/2012 @ 8:19 am

  117. You may be able to get loans using your personal credit, so why bother building business credit? It’s best to keep personal and business matter separate. Building business credit works so why bother building business credit, and it’s used differently. You can also protect yourself by building business credit.

    Comment by Building business credit (e6a57a) — 11/25/2012 @ 7:06 pm

  118. Admin Guy, here’s another thing that would be nice: a “report spam” link on each comment, that we can use instead of going “cleanup on aisle 117″, or emailing Patterico about it. The problem with “cleanup on aisle 117″, besides the times it’s not noticed, is that if it is noticed and acted on then the next comment, which is not spam, becomes 117, and the warning becomes inexplicable unless it too is removed.

    Comment by Milhouse (ea3f0d) — 11/25/2012 @ 7:28 pm

  119. 40. Comment by Gazzer (3e0fe3) — 11/23/2012 @ 7:41 pm

    Just checking in to see if I have a cool number like 007, perhaps.

    No, that would fit more Jill Kelley.

    (although James Bond worked for the British. Jill Kelley maybe worked for the Bahrainis.)

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/26/2012 @ 2:34 pm

  120. Perhaps rather than removing offending comments, move the text to an invisible field, leaving “removed” and the offender’s name (and no link to elsewhere.) Counts stay the same, offender’s name and hash are left as a reminder.

    Comment by htom (412a17) — 11/26/2012 @ 2:40 pm

  121. 40. Comment by Gazzer (3e0fe3) — 11/23/2012 @ 7:41 pm

    Just checking in to see if I have a cool number like 007, perhaps.

    Actually, you’re number is cool. It is, I think, the only hashtag that, when it is appended to TINYURL.com, actually leads to a web page:

    http://www.tinyurl.com/3e0fe3

    An article in the September 27, 2008 New Zealand Herald entitled:

    Sun sets as breakfast host makes surprise exit

    All the others are either hexidecimal numbers that haven’t yet been reached, or web pages that are down.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/26/2012 @ 2:40 pm

  122. Comment by The adjective-laden Dana (f68855) — 11/25/2012 @ 7:55 am

    It seems that our esteemed host has granted me some leeway on the comment notice, “Commenters who do not use a consistent name, and/or who use a proxy to post, are subject to banning.”

    Subject to, and not compulsory.

    And you had to distinguish yourself from the other Dana, and it was obvious you were another Dana.

    If we had had hashtags then, you might not have used all these different variations.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/26/2012 @ 2:43 pm

  123. So what do the hashtags do?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/26/2012 @ 2:44 pm

  124. Patterico always stored this data – it just didn;t show up on the blog.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/26/2012 @ 2:44 pm

  125. Greasemonkey ignore lists seem to be broken

    Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 11/27/2012 @ 2:07 pm

  126. Greasemonkey ignore lists seem to be broken

    Yes, it’s on my to-do list.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/28/2012 @ 11:52 am

  127. I’m testing a little tweak and this seems like as good a place as any to post a comment and make sure I didn’t break anything.

    Comment by Admin Guy (924007) — 12/18/2012 @ 9:51 pm

  128. And a second test, just to make sure I still haven’t broken anything. Then we watch and wait for some data.

    Comment by Admin Guy (924007) — 12/18/2012 @ 9:55 pm

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