Israel is, once again, guilty of defending itself. Nothing new there. But the manner in which it is being documented is different, on Twitter:
Ahmed Jabari: Eliminated. twitter.com/IDFSpokesperso…
— IDF (@IDFSpokesperson) November 14, 2012
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my money’s on Zahal…
and they can kill all the Hamassoles they want, as far as i’m concerned.
redc1c4 (403dff) — 11/15/2012 @ 6:22 pmOnce in the while, the good guys put a point on the board.
Dustin (73fead) — 11/15/2012 @ 6:27 pmFrom this, he was the last of the original core Hamas group:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Jabari
narciso (ee31f1) — 11/15/2012 @ 6:30 pmHey! Ahmed!
DUCK!
No, too late.
Jcw46 (f23062) — 11/15/2012 @ 6:33 pmHe clearly needs to learn the lesson of not being seen, or heard;
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/hamas-leader-mashaal-dares-israel-kill-me-too/
narciso (ee31f1) — 11/15/2012 @ 6:35 pmYeah, Israel is being condemned for responding to over 150 rockets being launched into their country at civilians. Condemnation of the
peedoffamerican (ee1de0) — 11/15/2012 @ 6:39 pmterroristspeaceful muslims launching the rockets at civilians in Israel? Nope, just F#cking Crickets!The coverage by the alphabet networks was surreal.
JD (185efa) — 11/15/2012 @ 6:45 pmresponding to over 150 rockets being launched into their country at civilians.
If no one reports a rocket landing in Israel did it really happen?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 11/15/2012 @ 7:04 pmNames and ages of innocent Pali civilians killed is SOP
JD (185efa) — 11/15/2012 @ 7:06 pmFor anyone interested, there is a long history of staging of “killed civilians”, noteworthy for using the same stand-in actors for supposedly different events at different places.
e.g.: http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/we-need-to-know-truth.html
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 11/15/2012 @ 7:21 pmWhy did Allah allow this to happen ?
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 11/15/2012 @ 7:23 pmNice video.
I enjoy watching Pal terrorists getting blown to hell, where they belong.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 11/15/2012 @ 7:27 pmWhy did Allah allow this to happen ?
Comment by Elephant Stone — 11/15/2012 @ 7:23 pm
The martyr Jabari’s 72 virgins had been waiting a long time, and were about to go all Snookie upinhere. I had to do something!
-Allah
Matador (38d317) — 11/15/2012 @ 7:42 pmMatador, it’s 72 raisins, and they last a long time.
Meanwhile, Pallywood is back.
And note how many stories blandly lie by describing the conflict as having started with the Israeli strike that took out Jabari, and then describe the subsequent Arab violence as “retaliation” for that strike. That sounds like a neutral fact, but it isn’t. Jabari’s killing was retaliation for the recent upswing of rockets (over the usual “background noise” level that Israelis have got used to, much as before 1967 they had got used to Jordanian and Syrian snipers taking pot shots at civilians from over the border whenever the mood took them).
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/15/2012 @ 7:54 pmAlso count how few media organs draw the obvious parallel between the Israeli strike on Jabari and the utterly uncontroversial US strikes on al Qaeda leaders (or the strike on bin Laden that 0bama is so proud of), many of which also have collateral damage.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/15/2012 @ 7:56 pmExcept for this: Israel is better at avoiding collateral damage. (anything or any person that’s not the target who would not himself be a justified target)
Sammy Finkelman (b5730a) — 11/15/2012 @ 8:06 pmThis Palestinian Prince of Peace was merely transporting warm blankets and fresh milk to poor blind children—he’s a victim of Zionist aggression !
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 11/15/2012 @ 8:07 pmJohn Batchelor earlier had something about Iran sending people to operate the missile batteries.
(long range missiles, which Hamas may not have people trained to use)
Hamas was reported earlier debating whether or not to try to send a missile into Tel Aviv. Some thought that might be escalating dangerously for them.
People buying food in Gaza. NBC snuck in a reporter.
Sammy Finkelman (b5730a) — 11/15/2012 @ 8:10 pmWatching Western reporters interviewing Palestinians after Israeli attacks is always amusing. Useless, but amusing.
Ag80 (b2c81f) — 11/15/2012 @ 8:43 pmThe increase in the firing of rockets from Gaza followed a visit to Gaza by the Emir of Qatar.
Qatar’s Emir Visits Gaza, Pledging $400 million to Hamas – New York Times, October 24, 2012, page A4
Supposedly the money would pay for fixing 3 roads, two housing complexes, and one prosthetic center, in addition to other things. But I don’t think the only thing he talked about was money. People meet in person in order to avoid being eavesdropped on.
As for money, the Gulf States are notorious for not fulfilling their pledges.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Hamas+war+against+Israel/Palestinian_ceasefire_violations_since_end_Operation_Cast_Lead.htm
There’s a timetable there, and lots of charts and other visual material.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Hamas+war+against+Israel/Barrage_rocket_fire_24-Oct-2012.htm
As I noted, this coincided with the Qatari Emir’s visit.
Sammy Finkelman (b5730a) — 11/15/2012 @ 8:44 pmI have the Saudi’s killing the Hamas terrorist.
JD (318f81) — 11/15/2012 @ 8:53 pmOf course there is a certain amount of Wag the Dog in all this. Netanyahu has ignored rocket and other attacks for a long time; why was now the right time to do something about them? Can it really be that this was the first opportunity to get at Jabari, so they took it? Or have there been many opportunities before to hit him or some similar target, that were passed up in order to play nice with Western opinion-makers at the expense of the Southern inhabitants, who don’t really count? Can it really be a coincidence that the moment he decides to do something about the rocket attacks just so happens to be at election time?
There’s also a certain amount of kabuki theatre to the whole conflict, because Israel supplies the Gaza Strip with all its electricity, for free. If Netanyahu got serious about taking drastic action to protect the south, he could just order the electricity cut off. Let Hamas supply its people. But he doesn’t do that because it would harm enemy civilians. Has anyone heard of such a thing anywhere else? Did we care about German civilians in WW2? Can you imagine the allies supplying power to Germany, for free yet, during the Blitz, because they were worried about German civilians dying?! This makes no sense.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/15/2012 @ 8:56 pmMeanwhile,
Qatar Remains Crucial U.S. Ally – ABC News, Sept. 21, 2012
Sammy Finkelman (b5730a) — 11/15/2012 @ 9:12 pmComment by Milhouse — 11/15/2012 @ 8:56 pm
Of course there is a certain amount of Wag the Dog in all this. Netanyahu has ignored rocket and other attacks for a long time; why was now the right time to do something about them
It’s right after the U.S. Presidential election.
Also, it’s before any action against Iran and he may figure, this operation should be done first (although Hezbollah is actually a bigger threat anyway, but at least maybe the army won’t be stretched so thin)
If Netanyahu got serious about taking drastic action to protect the south, he could just order the electricity cut off.
Absolutely correct, but the problem is, they don’t want to go any more than necessary against the United Nations, which considers cutting off electricity a kind of crime in a way in which bombing is not.
Sammy Finkelman (b5730a) — 11/15/2012 @ 9:23 pmYeah, right. I’m sure the election campaign had nothing to do with it. Didn’t cross his mind. Pull the other leg, it’s got bells on. Netanyahu has a lot of fans because he talks a good game, but he’s never been one for doing the right thing as well as talking about it. He cares primarily about one thing: getting reelected. And he’ll say and do whatever he needs to for that purpose. And of course Ehud Baraq is pretty desperate about his own political future, and looking like a hero this week may just save his seat (pun intended).
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/15/2012 @ 9:53 pmThe Iranian Fajr-5 rockets currently being fired at Israel represents a serious upgrade in Hamas’ capabilities. Compared to it, the previous rockets were toys.
It’s normally fired from a truck mounted MRL.
It’s important to note that every single one fired from civilian areas in Gaza toward civilian areas in Israel is a war crime for both those reasons.
How Haniyah or other Hamas officials can travel abroad and not get arrested for war crimes in one of those countries that claims universal jurisdiction is a mystery to me.
Just kidding; it’s no mystery. Euro jooo-haters don’t care about Pali war crimes.
Steve57 (7a880e) — 11/15/2012 @ 10:11 pmThey’ve had those for a while now. Netanyahu didn’t see fit to do anything about it until now. Why? (And they didn’t fire them until after he decided to do something about it, and in reaction to that. He had to have known this could happen, but decided to risk it. Again, why? Tell me with a straight face that he would have done the same if there were no election breathing down his neck.)
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/15/2012 @ 11:20 pmYou’re right, Milhouse. My bad. I mean, just because in no single month in 2012 have the terrorists groups in Gaza fired close to 100 rockets shells into Israel, except October, and they fired that many in 5 days alone in November prior to Israel’s retaliation this is clearly political on Netanyahu’s part.
I’m not counting the mortar attacks because, as we learned in Benghazi, those are harmless.
Clearly there’s no reason to view the monumentally increased number of attacks in October and November as an escalation. I’m sure there’s no public demand for him to do something. This is just cynical campaign posturing on Netanyahu’s part.
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=291300
And here’s where I got the impression they used the Fajr-5 prior to Israel’s retalition air strike on Ahmed Jabari, as the rockets were unnamed.
But they could have been Grad missiles. Which of course makes the Israeli government’s response totally unreasonable. And therefore clearly Netanyahu is only thinking of his political career.
Steve57 (7a880e) — 11/16/2012 @ 12:56 amTired. And when I’m tired I make mistakes.
And of course the Grad is an unguided rocket.
Steve57 (7a880e) — 11/16/2012 @ 1:02 amI condemn Israel! Why the nerve of them to launch a clearly unprovoked attack on those members of such a peaceful religion. Doesn’t everyone know that those were only harmless bottle rockets for a fireworks display? That the
peedoffamerican (f5abd0) — 11/16/2012 @ 2:41 ambloodthirsty savagespeace loving muslims were onlytrying to kill innocent Israelisshowing their love for the Israeli people. For all we know, those rockets could have been loaded with paper invitations to a friendly neighborhood barbecue! Certainly they meant the Jooos no harm at all!In 1967, the Israelis had the chance to clear out all “Palestinians” from territory they wanted. They didn’t take it. In 1973, Sadat gave them a second chance. They didn’t take it then, either. And then came the Oslo accords, where they have to power the rocket launchers. Who says Jews are smart? [Not so a serious comment.]
You cannot raise five generations in a state of war. There needs to be a final solution. [Deadly serious comment.]
nk (875f57) — 11/16/2012 @ 2:55 amYou do recall a little thing, called DefCon 3, and the Arab oil embargo, what did you expect they would do?
narciso (ee31f1) — 11/16/2012 @ 3:24 amI bet israel can make twinkies too
god america is lame
happyfeet (ae0e64) — 11/16/2012 @ 5:17 amhttp://shilohmusings.blogspot.com/2012/11/operation-pillar-of-defense.html#links
Sammy Finkelman (32408d) — 11/16/2012 @ 6:36 amIsrael’s closest ally isn’t really an ally, so there’s less reason to diplomatically bide her time until it is an ally again. Perhaps they had a different attitude when it was possible Romney would be replacing Obama.
Dustin (73fead) — 11/16/2012 @ 6:43 amComment by nk — 11/16/2012 @ 2:55 am
There needs to be a final solution. [Deadly serious comment.]
Get rid of the monarchy (or the current dynasty anyway) in Saudi Arabia because that’s the root cause of all the trouble.
Saudi Arabia does not want the central idea of the French Revolution – that there is something illegimate about hereditary monarchy – to take root in the Arab world. This policy was laid down by the founding ruler, King ibn Saud, who died in 1953, and they still follow it.
Everything he laid down is still followed. This king murdered his brothers, and things like that had happened before, but he didn’t want his children to murder each other, and he devised such a good system, it still works, to the current day. They pretty much have not killed each other.
They used to think they needed to destroy Israel to prevent the ideas of the French Revolution from taking root – now they think it is only necessary to be hostile to Israel, to boycott Israel, to have no relations with Israel, to hate Israel, and to give Arabs the idea that Israel is on the way out.
Also to make sure that whatever happens, no government in the Arab world is a democracy, and also to give people the idea that they can never improve their lives by replacing the ruler – that things will always get worse. Never can people be allowed to say it was a change for the better.
The People’s Republic of China is with them on this, and a whole agency has been established in Beijing – a lot of money being spent, a lot of people being hired, for the study of revolutions.
How they happen, and how therefore they can be prevented, how they can be overturned and how they can be discouraged. China is against any more examples of liberty and freedom than already exist. They don’t want people in China , or any secessionary areas, to draw inspiration from anything.
It is a government dedicated to the proposition that government of the people, by the people and for the people shall, if possible, perish from the earth, and if not, at least be contained.
Sammy Finkelman (32408d) — 11/16/2012 @ 6:56 amFor the modern left? No, it doesn’t.
That’s why they were barking mad over Bush “lying us into war” — it was in the news every report. They couldn’t avoid it. But their god the Won takes us to war in Libya without Congressional approval and they’re cool with that — because it’s not in the news.
Rob Crawford (c55962) — 11/16/2012 @ 7:09 amInsightful comment, Sammy.
Just imagine how much harder the tyrant’s job would be if the United States was living up to her full potential, with the dynamic economy we really could have if the government were much smaller!
In the internet era, it would require North Korean levels of control to keep this a secret.
Instead, our culture has become kinda filthy in some ways, and our government corrupt, our economy grey.
We have it better than there, but it’s easy enough to dismiss the American experiment.
Dustin (73fead) — 11/16/2012 @ 7:10 amI condemn Israel…and
George W. BushMitt Romney !If Obama had been elected President, this never would have happened !
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 11/16/2012 @ 8:13 amIsrael should not accept a brokered ceasefire. As long as the original basis for the conflict remains, then ceasefires just guarantee further conflict. Moreover, the Palestinians depend upon those ceasefires, without which they know they’ll lose.
Wars only end when one side admits defeat and surrenders.
If I were President I’d veto any attempt to broker a ceasefire at the UN. I’d give Israel the green light. Then, at least, we wouldn’t have to listen to that vapid “cycle of violence” BS anymore.
Steve57 (7a880e) — 11/16/2012 @ 8:24 amOpinion: London 1940-Tel Aviv 2012. What’s the Difference?
The difference is that in London, in 1940, the government, led by Winston Churchill, was trying to give people fortitude, and in Israel, in 2012, the government is trying to panic people and give them high anxiety and tell them they have X number of seconds to get to a shelter, which they cannot do, and people are developing post-traumatic stress syndrome. And that’s the way they did things in Sderot and other places that come under rocket attack.
And in London, in 1940, there was not just hope but confidence, in the eventual defeat of the enemy, however much blood pain toil and tears there might be in the interim, but in Israel in 2012, there is no such hope among the people, but only fear of an Iranian nuclear bomb detonating.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 11/16/2012 @ 9:27 amSammy, the Brits didn’t have the “international community” decrying the “cycle of violence” to deal with.
Or with international bodies like the UN or the International Criminal Court trying to tie their hands by redefining well established concepts laid out in the Law Of Armed Conflict like “proportionality.”
“Hey, Britain, you can’t use thousands of those four engine Lancasters to bomb Berlin when the Germans only used hundreds of twin engined Dorniers to bomb London!”
Then threatening Churchill with war crimes prosecution for using force proportional to achieving the objective (the actual meaning) instead of the same amount of force the Germans used against England (the redefined false meaning of proportionality).
Steve57 (7a880e) — 11/16/2012 @ 9:39 amGaza:
askeptic (b8ab92) — 11/16/2012 @ 9:43 amClose the eastern-border, start at the north-end of the strip pushing all inhabitants south into Egypt, and bull-dozing every building as you go.
It could be one of the great resorts on the Med with proper development.
Perhaps. But Netanyahu’s had the Oslo syndrome (a close cousin to Stockholm syndrome) for a long time now. He’s the one who gave Hebron away. He’s the one who imposed the building freeze. He’s the one who released hundreds of murderers to murder again, in return for one hostage. He’s shown in many ways for many years that he cares more for Western opinion-makers than for the lives of his people. He acts only when it’s politically convenient, and even then continues to pursue the suicidal policy of giveaways and a two-state “solution”. He’s long ago abandoned his father’s and father-in-law’s Betar/Etzel/Herut legacy. So the simplest explanation for this current action is that there’s an election coming. Both he and Baraq need to look strong, and like they care about the voters in the south.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/16/2012 @ 12:04 pmExactly. But Israel lost sight of that 30 years ago. They could have defeated the PLO in Lebanon, utterly defeated and destroyed it, but they balked, accepting one ceasefire after another, and ended up not only letting the PLO escape to Tunisia but also getting bogged down in an occupation they didn’t want but couldn’t leave. (Eventually, under Ehud Baraq’s leadership, they ran away in the middle of the night, and paid a terrible price for that foolishness.) Then they could have crushed the first “intifada” in its infancy, but instead tried to appease it, first with Madrid and then with the disaster of Oslo. Israel has lost its confidence in its own legitimacy, and therefore its enemies are confident in theirs. Israel feels it has to apologise for its own existence, and to make its footprint as small as possible, and so its enemies are encouraged that they will win in the end. Because they believe in their cause.
Israel can bring the Gaza strip to heel at any time, by cutting off the electricity and water. It chooses not to do so out of a false “humanitarianism” that costs lives and prolongs conflict. An armistice will not bring peace; only when the Arabs surrender and accept that Israel does not belong to them can there be peace.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/16/2012 @ 12:17 pmIf Israel wants a Jewish state, it should make one. Get the Arabs out of reach. Define borders, kill anyone who violates them.
The problem is that Israel makes Greece look prosperous. Israel cannot exist without American aid. So Israel does what Whashington wants.
nk (875f57) — 11/16/2012 @ 12:18 pmAnd until Israel starts ignoring the “international community” and doing what it needs to do to defeat the enemy, the enemy will keep winning no matter how many battles Israel wins.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/16/2012 @ 12:20 pmThere’s no need to expel foreigners, so long as they acknowledge that they are foreigners, and keep the peace. The Bible commands hospitality to strangers, but hospitality doesn’t mean giving away the title to the house.
Israel doesn’t need $1 of the American money. It has a booming economy, which if current trends continue might surpass America’s soon enough (on a per capita basis, of course). It’s addicted to the money, but it doesn’t need it. Ron Paul is right on this, and his policy of cutting off all aid, to both sides, and cutting off the opinions that come with the money, would be good for Israel.
The American money comes with a heavy price, like any drug. Nixon’s aid in ’73 was vital, but the price Kissinger extracted for it was painful. And since then every Israeli military action has failed miserably, because the American money turned Israel into an American vassal. Like a junkie who needs his dealer’s approval, and can’t do anything without his permission.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/16/2012 @ 12:27 pmIsrael cannot build fighter planes, Hellfires, Patriots, M16s, etc., Milhouse. I did say “manufacturing capacity”?
Israel desalinates water and makes gardens. It buys/borrows weapons.
nk (875f57) — 11/16/2012 @ 12:35 pmActually Israel does have considerable arms manufacturing capacity. It actually exports a lot of armaments. And it used to make the Kfir warplane, and was developing the Lavi, until it decided it was more economical to buy from the USA. The Iron Dome missile defense system was developed in Israel. But more importantly, it can afford to buy from the USA and Europe, if they will sell. A Ron-Paul-like administration, that gave no money to either side but allowed Israel to buy whatever it could afford, and also allowed it a free hand to deal with its enemies as it saw fit, would be ideal for Israel.
Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/16/2012 @ 1:18 pmI don’t see why the simplest explanation is that this truly is an escalation. It’s not simply the number of rockets the Gazans are firing into Israel. That’s the symptom. The cause of the change is Egypt. Morsi really only took control in August when he fired Field Marshall Tantawi. (And everyone thought it’d be the other way around.)
Hamas actually didn’t really fire a lot of rockets into Israel. Other groups like Islamic Jihad were the real overachievers. Hamas actually tried to rein them in generally, although sometimes they’d join in just to maintain credibility.
Israel generally retaliated in a limited way. Those were the rules of the game. Now there are no rules. That’s what’s changed. That’s why the Gazans have upped the ante in terms of rocket launches. First in October, now even more so in November.
Obama getting reelected didn’t help the situation, as Dustin points out. I’m not going to say Bradley Manning did anyone any favors with his treason, but I have gleaned from Wikileaks that people like Hamas PM Haniyeh think he’s a joke. He doesn’t intimidate them like Bush did.
Morsi in power in Cairo. Obama in power in DC. It’s a bad combination for Israel. And oddly enough not great for Hamas. News reports are that Haniyeh tried and failed to broker some sort of deal once Israel made it clear it wouldn’t tolerate this barrage to continue. He failed.
The real purpose of Morsi’s trip may have been to try to cut the deal with groups like the fore mention Islamic Jihad, and salafi groups like Jund Ansar Allah. Not to “show solidarity.” I’ve heard he may not be the hardliner he postures himself to be. But the problem is unlike Mubarak he can’t stop the jihadis from attacking Israel. He did sell himself as a hardliner, after all. He can’t turn on the “holy warriors.”
It appears to me something very real has changed. Hamas can’t rein these other groups in. Egypt won’t. And these groups think President Leading From Behind Won’t. Israel may have arrived at the same conclusion.
If Morsi didn’t get these guys to settle down on his trip to Gaza, then Israel will have to do it herself.
It isn’t just Netanyahu in on this, you know.
Steve57 (7a880e) — 11/16/2012 @ 1:24 pm