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11/13/2012

L.A. Times Editors Have News Pages Push Theory That the Voters Have Rejected the Tea Party

Filed under: Dog Trainer — Patterico @ 7:41 am

Why did Republicans lose? Republicans can debate that all they like, but the L.A. Times news editors have decided the only theory worth mentioning is that it’s the fault of the Tea Party:

As a subdued John A. Boehner started to lay the groundwork for compromise with President Obama to avert a year-end tax and spending crisis, the House speaker also began a delicate dance around the deep divisions in the Republican Party.

As Congress returns Tuesday, the Ohio Republican must contend with the tea party wing, which helped the GOP retain the House majority as many conservatives won reelection, but which also contributed to its losses in the Senate.

Republican leaders are reevaluating their relationship with the tea party, a political marriage that has fueled gridlock and, some believe, played a role in the GOP’s dismal outcome at the polls.

Some others believe that Romney was not a strong enough candidate and didn’t articulate a Tea Party message strongly enough. But that message does not appear in the story. “Some” might be right and “some others” might be wrong. But it is not for news editors to decide — any more than it is their place to conclude that voters want a deal that is the opposite of what the Tea Party wants:

“The president and his team have made clear they believe his reelection is a mandate for his tax plan,” Boehner told rank-and-file Republicans on a conference call after the election. “Well, ladies and gentlemen, that is not the case.”

On the call, Boehner characterized his House majority as “the line of defense” against the Obama administration, according to a GOP source who was not authorized to discuss internal party matters publicly.

“For the next two years, that will continue to be our role,” Boehner said.

This is the complicated courtship the chain-smoking speaker must undertake in the next 50 days as he attempts to satisfy his right wing while meeting Obama across the aisle for the deal that voters — and the stock market — have signaled they want.

Why couldn’t we say that the voters signaled that they wanted to hold the line by re-electing a Republican majority in the House?

Again, people can debate these issues, but having them decided as a matter of Conventional Wisdom and articulated on news pages (as opposed to opinion pages) is wrong. We have to fight against that mentality and point it out when we see it.

98 Responses to “L.A. Times Editors Have News Pages Push Theory That the Voters Have Rejected the Tea Party”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  2. I don’t think the tea party screwed up the Senate this time…. socially backwards rape baby aficionados did that all by themselves

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  3. No, Lugar acting like a petulant weasel, like in a race ‘that doth not speak it’s name’, and I’ll leave out Rove’s ‘brilliant, brilliant’ strategy of yelling eek, for later.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  4. Even when moderate republicans lose an easily winnable election, the only answer is more moderate republicans. Because of electability.

    The truth is that some of these people are lying to us when they claim to promote conservatism.

    In 2016, they will tell us we need a moderate republican for electability’s sake, like they did in every other election we’ve lost. The real reason is that they are afraid of gutting the bloat that the beltway feeds on.

    I pray we’ve learned our lesson, but it sure sounds like we haven’t.

    Dustin (73fead)

  5. it has nothing to do with what “they” tell us it has to do with winning the primary, and the more conservative candidates had chippie problems like cain or were on drugs like perry or were nutcase freaks like bachmann and santorum

    romney only won by default

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  6. This is the complicated courtship the chain-smoking speaker must undertake. . .

    Am I forgetting all those instances when the LAT’s news section referred to Bill Clinton as “the sex-obsessed former President” or Ted Kennedy as “the alcoholic lecherous Senator”?

    JVW (f5695c)

  7. No, he run by lying about Newt, painting him as a practical Sandinista here in Florida, with the endless reverb of Tom Brokaw, running like a Moebius loop, that’s the way I remember it,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  8. After the 2010 elections the House did not seem to have much success in moderating Obama as far as I can see.

    My opinion, FWIW, is the House and repubs need to focus on educating the public and making Obama and the dems own what they do and the results of it.

    No benefit as I see it in trying to slow the devastation of Obama only to get blamed as obstructionist.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  9. well the ‘lame duck session’ and then the crocodile tears about civility, after Tucson, set the stage, didn’t it, then those ever more pointless budget negotiations, which were pyrrhic victories,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  10. gingrich was a pelosi-loving climate change pansy married to a chippie what’s every bit as weird and ooky as anything to ever grace the 700 club soundstage

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  11. Voters have rejected the Teas, the Catholic Church, old white males, fetuses, private auto manufacturers, and independent movie producers.

    Corruption tho, is as American as apple pie.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  12. Well, they are right this far: They have rejected many of the idiots who attached themselves and attempted to coopt the truly grassroots Tea Party movement, many of them utterly uninterested in liberty, and rather interested in grabbing a small-government fiscal conservative movement and grabbing it for evangelists. There, I said it.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  13. Yeah but Gingrich likes the moon, and has snappy comebacks. He had that going for him.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  14. For the GOP, it’s Tea Party or Tory Party.

    The Times see Great Britain as a step in the right direction, so a Tory kind of opposition to the Dems is something they’re gung ho for.

    The Tea Party means sticking to principle and losing some elections. So be it. Ted Cruz, anyone?

    beer 'n pretzels (6ef50f)

  15. I think my people rejected the Catholic Church at least 300 years ago.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  16. “Some believe” they saw Elvis Saturday night.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  17. I agree with Dustin. The Times is basically saying that Republicans lose because they differ with Democrats.

    The problem with Romney is that he didn’t stand for anything, really. Even Democrats knew he had no core beliefs — just a Republican version of Bill Clinton who was able to keep his pants zipped. But there was nothing to rally around except he wasn’t Barack Obama.

    Romney’s only real bedrock support came when he picked Paul Ryan, but he quickly pushed Ryan’s ideas to the background and made clear that Ryan’s ideas weren’t his.

    Leaving aside that Romney’s loss had much to do with the press itself, exacerbated by Romney’s utter GOTV failure in a base election, if there were ideological problems it wasn’t the ones from the Tea Party.

    Not that the LA Times understands the Tea Party one little bit.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  18. And voters just LOVE the continuing California meltdown. They’re just chomping at the bit to follow the LA Times and repeal Prop 13 so we can get taxes back up to where they should be and bail out, well, everything.

    Or not. Things will turn our way, but as usual it will only happen after the crash.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  19. bedazzling politics with religious sequins just ends up looking cheap and tacky

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  20. SarahW @8:40–You called it. The beautiful patriotic everyday Americans who miraculously came out of nowhere in 2009 and 2010 with their signs and Gadsden flags–the ones who knew the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, who took over town hall meetings, demanded answers and accountability from their congresspeople, and marched in Washington– were about one thing. Stopping Obamacare and standing up for liberty. They were not there for an evangelical agenda. That, unfortunately came later. Grassroots Tea Party movement is severely damaged because of a double whammy: it was successfully redefined by media as racist (never true), and co-opted visibly and loudly (in some areas at least) by soc-cons.

    elissa (59e20f)

  21. They’re just chomping at the bit to follow the LA Times and repeal Prop 13 so we can get taxes back up to where they should be and bail out, well, everything.

    One of the reasons the Prop 13 campaign was successful, at a time when Democrats did very well in California, was due to personalizing the effects of rising property taxes. There were stories of people losing homes they lived in for decades because they could not afford the property taxes.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  22. Romney outperformed eleven of fifteen Republican Senate candidates. He doesn’t bear the responsibility of folks like Akin and Mourdick publicly stepping on their cranks with stupid rape baby comments and then in Akin’s case selfishly not withdrawing. Just 400,000 votes in four swing states kept Romney out of the presidency. Obama’s Hurricane Sandy photo op week and Gov. Christie Man love and the media’s cover up of Benghazi probably helped to push President Downgrade over the top, just as they dragged him over the finish line in 2008.

    I don’t recall many if any folks on this blog believing the D+4 – D+9 polls being issued before the election had any credibility. The kind of hindsight heroism, pining for the perfect candidate for “my faction” who will never be found and accepted, and second guessing of the entire party is just divisive mental masturbation. Pure and simple, Romney ran a good race and outperformed virtually the rest of the party, but didn’t put it away. The Republican GOTV effort has been weaker than that of Democrats for as long as I can remember.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  23. This is what we get from a candidate, who insisted
    ‘Obama was just over his head’ how did that work out.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  24. The circular firing squad of pointless recriminations is described well by Stacy McCain in this piece and Susannah Fleetwood here.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  25. Althouse on Hinderaker’s ‘recalibrate’:

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/11/it-seems-obvious-that-evolution-of.html

    Operative quote “I have little hope that either party will appeal to me in the near future”.

    So Indies on the Left, the centrists, agree with those on the Right, the so-cons.

    Minutiae is our future.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  26. daleyrocks–you’re absolutely right to point out that there were many smaller factors–not one big one–that contributed to the loss last Tuesday. You are right to point out it was, in fact, a close election no matter what the media wants us to think. Some tactical problems were internal to the Romney campaign and many were completely external. I do not count out voting irregularities either. I thought Romney was actually a very good and effective candidate–particularly late in the campaign. I was proud to vote for him. He would have made a good president and leader during the upcoming dangerous times. It’s a shame our country missed that opportunity.

    elissa (59e20f)

  27. . Just 400,000 votes in four swing states kept Romney out of the presidency.

    And there were fourteen million fewer votes for President in this election than 2008.

    I don’t recall many if any folks on this blog believing the D+4 – D+9 polls being issued before the election had any credibility. The kind of hindsight heroism, pining for the perfect candidate for “my faction” who will never be found and accepted, and second guessing of the entire party is just divisive mental masturbation. Pure and simple, Romney ran a good race and outperformed virtually the rest of the party, but didn’t put it away.

    We had a candidate who styood for real change- Ron Paul.

    The Republican GOTV effort has been weaker than that of Democrats for as long as I can remember.

    It is rooted back in the 19th century, when Democrats had political machines in desnely-populated urban areas. (Tammany Hall is an infamous example.) The population density was an economy of scale when it came to GOTV. These machines were very effective in recruiting immigrants (who understandably settled in big cities) to their cause.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  28. 27. Less than 50% turnout and the first incumbent re-elected to a second term to lose votes.

    Sorry to say so, but you earned it Amerikkka, hard.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  29. Daleyrocks is right on the money. We lost a very close race for 3 reasons.
    1) Low info voters-”woohoo, we got free healthcare.”
    2) A very compliant media-Nothing to see in Benghazi as Barry personally recues Sandy victims.
    3) Fraud.- It was close enough to sreal.
    To the last point, I am looking into joining True the Vote in order to do my part to eradicate that.

    Gazzer (43ed78)

  30. what part of we want you to bear children for your rapist do we think low info voters were unclear on exactly

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  31. 26. Romney left nothing in the tank, its true.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  32. what part of we want you to bear children for your rapist do we think low info voters were unclear on exactly

    Romney did not say that.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  33. Pikachu, there was no such issue, in California, and you got ‘Betamax’ Brown, which was as stupid as electing the ‘bearded marxist’

    narciso (ee31f1)

  34. God thinks we need to learn our lessons better and has kept us back a grade.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  35. romney mostly just politely told the rape baby faction to shush please

    cause he was perhaps cowardly perhaps prudently afraid of alienating the rape baby base

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  36. 29. MN and WI, together with IA, the best educated populations in the country, handed both houses of Legislature back to the Fascists.

    Epic fail. It will be a while before a full accounting is available but plainly, the GOP leadership owns this comprehensive failure, how can they not?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  37. No, gary, the best indoctrinated to avoid crimethink, not at all the same thing.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  38. El Rushbo says that reagan got 37% of Hispanic vote in 84, in 86 was amnesty, and in 88 GHW Bush got only 30% of Hispanic vote. But everyone knows that thr GOP is anti-science so no one will look at that empirical data and think about it.

    I’ve heard that papa john says he will have to fire people or cut down everyone’s hours to stay in business after ObamaCare kicks in, and the public is threatening violence to him via twitter, etc. for speaking out against the one…

    Meanwhile, IRS will be hiring I think to enforce ObamaCare.

    But remember, what is wrong with this country is the tea party, people who just want their legislators to read what they vote on.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  39. Let’s not go off half-cocked.

    Selwyn Duke writing at The American Thinker November 13, 2012, asks a pertinent question and backs it up.

    Was the 2012 Election Stolen?

    As the 2012 election approached, conservative enthusiasm grew. Mitt Romney was drawing huge crowds while Barack Obama spoke in half-filled stadiums. All the passion lay on the right while the left was discouraged with a promised messiah who proved merely a politician. And the prediction was that, in contrast to 2008, Republican turnout would dwarf the tuned-out and carry the day. Hence the shock November 6 eve. How could Romney lose, especially by such a wide electoral margin?

    Maybe he didn’t

    At least not legitimately…

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/was_the_2012_election_stolen.html#ixzz2C82Gbz87

    ropelight (c8af55)

  40. Why don’t the Tea Party folks go and form their own political party and see how far they go. The GOP needs to find itself again and this tea romance is not helping.

    The Emperor (a9d808)

  41. We need advise from the Chimperor about as much as Honey Boo Boo’s momma needs another couple pounds of deep fried pork rinds.

    JD (185efa)

  42. Romney ran a good race and outperformed virtually the rest of the party

    Agreed, but the Supreme Court actually handed the GOP candidate a gift with the decision turning the mandate into a tax — any candidate, that is, other than Romney. There’s a reason why the unpopular Obamacare issue was practically AWOL during the campaign. The reason was Romney. Would it have made a difference? Maybe not, but we’ll never know.

    beer 'n pretzels (6ef50f)

  43. It pays to listen to winners, jd. You might learn something.

    The Emperor (a9d808)

  44. Hush, chimp.

    JD (185efa)

  45. But you agree with me don’t you, that the GOP needs to recaliberate its alliance with the tea party and see if it has done well by it or not.

    The Emperor (a9d808)

  46. No, I do not. You are an imbecile.

    JD (318f81)

  47. the tea party’s whole purpose was to keep America from becoming a fascist third world food stamp state

    they failed

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  48. Name-calling is typical behavior of angry losers, jd. That hardly describes you. Surely we can have a civil conversation without the vitriol. No need for the insults.

    The Emperor (a9d808)

  49. Long time lurker, infrequent commenter….

    I think it would be hilarious if the House came up with a tax plan that would retire the Obama debt with the end of the Obama presidency.

    More seriously, I think it would be nice if the system was changed so that the people who benefit from debt are the ones required to pay it off. For example if the treasury takes out a 10 year note, then that is added to every single voter’s tax bill for the next ten years. Anyone who isn’t eligible to vote doesn’t have to pay. Anyone who dies, has their estate plundered to pay their share. Anyone who would normally receive a refund on their taxes has that refunded reduced by that year’s debt payments.

    It’s a bit absurd that someone who has spent 45 years getting government services paid for with debt can retire and demand that people who aren’t even born yet pay back that debt. Not to mention the gall of raiding the social security cookie jar for cash and replacing it with You Owe Me’s, instead of I Owe You’s.

    malcom digest (e6b817)

  50. 47. Indeed, we failed miserably. Back to the drawing board, storey board, whatever.

    At any rate we prolly won’t have our betters’ feet on our neck anymore. They’re divorcing us.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  51. Name-calling is typical behavior of angry losers, jd. That hardly describes you. Surely we can have a civil conversation without the vitriol. No need for the insults.

    Coming from a serial liar, a person that baselessly accuses people of racism, and a person who made up quotes and attributed them to me, for you to try to claim some faux high ground above the fray is just so cute.

    JD (318f81)

  52. 51. Also cute is the 47% calling themselves “winners”. Sheen on moonbeam.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  53. Romney…outperformed virtually the rest of the party

    That suggests things aren’t going to get better the next time around, with the usual caveats, such as the economy being in a recession or some kind of crisis.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  54. P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  55. “That suggests things aren’t going to get better the next time around”

    Gerald A. – It suggests Republicans need to give candidates for the House or Senate some kind of IQ or common sense test.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  56. I got a notice in the mail today “offering” me a delimiter on my AC/heatpump.

    In return for 40$ off my bill for the whole summer, they cut off power to the unit as they please, so my house is not unjustly cool.

    Not expecting this to remain a voluntary program.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  57. Smartest, most honest comment that Illman has ever left here.

    JD (318f81)

  58. I don’t want to live in a dystopian future with “just” temperatures.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  59. You just gonna get your fair share of temperature, SarahW.

    elissa (59e20f)

  60. Mitt Romney has lost the election, but his loophole closing tax plan, which President Barack Obama claimed did not exist, is very much alive, and supported by Democrats.

    The difference is Mitt Romney wanted to cut tax rates below the Bush level, but the Democrats are thinking of a tax rate above the current levels, but I think below what they would be if the Bush tax cuts expire.

    Romney mentioned $17,000 and $25,000 – the Democrats are talking of $35,000, but not limiting charitable deductions.

    I hope they are not talking about limiting the deductibility of state and local income taxes – that would be double taxation. This is different than mortgage interest or property taxes, which are expenditures.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  61. Comment by SarahW — 11/13/2012 @ 11:39 am

    delimiter on my AC/heatpump….Not expecting this to remain a voluntary program.

    They can’t force people to install a delimiter.

    They could, of course, threaten people with brownouts, but that’s on an area wide basis.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  62. . This is different than mortgage interest or property taxes, which are expenditures.

    Allowing people to keep more of what they earned is only an expenditure to statists and leftists.

    JD (318f81)

  63. 21. Property taxes are not based on an ability to pay.

    They are just easy to calculate, once somebody has come up with an assessment.

    Actually it is a bad tax. Except maybe under something like Proposition 13.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  64. That, unfortunately came later. Grassroots Tea Party movement is severely damaged because of a double whammy: it was successfully redefined by media as racist (never true), and co-opted visibly and loudly (in some areas at least) by soc-cons.

    The old guard GOP dinosaurs need to go gentle into that good night . They no longer have Americans’ best interest at heart. Unfortunately, the power is a lot to give up. If they did have our best interests at heart, they would have been fully supportive of the TP, rather than seeing them as competitors. They attempted to ride the coattails of TP’s rising popularity and then co-opt it.

    Dana (292dcf)

  65. Gerald A. – It suggests Republicans need to give candidates for the House or Senate some kind of IQ or common sense test.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 11/13/2012 @ 11:37 am

    How did we lose the Dakota seats? Were they gaffe prone candidates? Of course those states seem to like electing Democrats except for the Presidency for some bizarre reason, but still.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  66. The libertarian candidates did them in, just as in the 8th District of Arizona,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  67. #66

    Maybe the GOP has to start getting liberal third party candidates on the ballots in certain races.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  68. The irrational hatred of the tea party – good middle class and small business people with the affrontery to think that govt should be more responsible before raising taxes willynilly – by the left typifies their hatred and bile towards their fellow citizens.

    But then hatred of the productive is what truly unites Obama’ coalition.

    SPQR (f910c8)

  69. “Smartest, most honest comment that Illman has ever left here.”

    It’s not surprising, and gratifying, to see that reality has not yet broken through to you delusional rubes here yet….

    BWAHAHAHAHA!

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  70. SPQR,

    I heard that discussed this morning on talk radio…people want an easy life now, one uninterupted by the demand of work. And because of the past 30 plus years, that is now a lifestlyle option. And it’s now multi-generational. Without a massive upheaval ad crash, that bell won’t be unrung. Thank god there are still remnants of families that instilled a serious work ethic, government largess notwithstanding.

    Dana (292dcf)

  71. Comment by Michael Ejercito — 11/13/2012 @ 9:48 am

    If Ron Paul had been the nominee, his treatment by the MSM would have made The Sarah Palin Chronicles look like a love-fest.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  72. I’m in favor of the TEA-Party breaking away from the GOP to be the foundation of a Federalist Party, reflecting the small government ideas pursued by The Federalist Society.
    Logically, it would attract Libertarians, and other small government types who avoid social-con issues.
    It could even attract a few elected GOP office-holders such as Bob McConnell in VA, plus Senators Rand Paul and Jim DeMint – among others.

    Small Government, Limited Spending, respect for the limitations found in the Constitution…
    What could go wrong?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  73. Never seen a president so protected from answering questions? Answers will never come. The democrats are planning an addition to Mnt. Rushmore.

    mg (31009b)

  74. If they wish to put anyone up there, it should be Soros.
    Without him, none of this would have been possible.
    But, if you’re going to have a Cult of Personality, which is what they promote; it helps to have Dear Leader in granite or bronze – just be careful that you don’t suffer the fate of of Saddam Hussein, having your statue pulled down by a tank, and melted down for door-stops.

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  75. Name-calling is typical behavior of angry losers, jd.

    Self-knowledge, from the chimperor?

    Rob Crawford (c55962)

  76. You are the liar, jd! As long as you have not been able to provide one evidence of me telling lies on any of the threads on this blog. Things are not the way you say the are, that is not how it works in real life. A person is not a liar simply because you say so. If you call someone a “serial liar” and you cannot prove it then you are a pathological liar. And you shall remain so until you prove that I told a lie here.

    The Emperor (d8736a)

  77. You made up quotes and attributed them to me.
    You accused people of being against Obama’s race, and not his policies. You accused me of bringing Obama’s children into the discussion when I did no such thing. Therefore, I referred to you as a liar. You cannot refute those, because they are factual facts, not subject to your nonsensical re-imaginings of what you would prefer reality to look like. Your passive-aggressive nonsense is tyresome, lovie/Chimperor/banned/reincarnated. Did I miss any others?

    The problem is, luv, you have a history here. You have earned the scorn aimed at you. Based on your actions.

    JD (318f81)

  78. Which quotes did I make and attribute to you? How does an accusation become lying? So you dont have hard evidence of me lying or being a “serial liar” except for your empty diversions. Any one reading this thread will know who the real liar is. And one more point, using your own standards, calling me chimperor when that is clearly not my handle makes you a real pants on fire, liar!!

    The Emperor (d8736a)

  79. As long as you have not been able to provide one evidence of me telling lies on any of the threads on this blog

    Oh, puh-LEEZE, Emperor. You’ve called people liars here without any proof. When challenged to provide examples of these alleged lies, you’ve refused to give any.

    So don’t fault JD for something you’ve done repeatedly over the years here.

    Chuck Bartowski (11fb31)

  80. Do you post during blackouts, lovie?

    JD (318f81)

  81. ______________________________________________

    And voters just LOVE the continuing California meltdown. They’re just chomping at the bit to follow the LA Times and repeal Prop 13 so we can get taxes back up to where they should be and bail out, well, everything.

    It’s only sad that some of the less loony-liberal sections of the “Golden State” will get chomped on almost as severely by Euro-sclerosis and Mexican-itis (which is a mutation of Argentina-itis) over the next many years and decades.

    When liberalism goes off the deep end, it’s analogous to a household managed by extremely permissive, libertine, spoil-them-rotten parents. Therefore, it’s even more important that the kids in the family be naturally self-controlled, resourceful, reliable, responsible and talented. I don’t know if a good portion of the “kids” in the California family can be described that way.

    Mark (5bf7b1)

  82. @Chucks. In other words, jd has no evidence of me being a “serial liar” on this blog. So he lied about me lying. Thank you.

    The Emperor (08c3d2)

  83. “So you dont have hard evidence of me lying or being a “serial liar” except for your empty diversions.”

    Lovey – There are many witnesses here to your serial lying, so give up the faux outrage, liar.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  84. Jd I am still waiting for you to prove I am a serial liar. If you cannot provide it I would need an apology from you.

    The Emperor (9ae02a)

  85. @Daley. Just one evidence will suffice. That shouldn’t be hard since according to you, there are many witnesses to my serial lying. Maybe you can help jd out since he hasn’t been able to come up with any.

    The Emperor (09061e)

  86. “@Daley. Just one evidence will suffice.”

    Lovey – It’s a question of mind over matter. You don’t matter, so I don’t mind not making any effort to follow any of your requests, liar.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  87. I gave you 3 examples, above, lovie.

    JD (318f81)

  88. Repita Por favor?

    1. You made up quotes and attributed them to me.
    2. You accused people of being against Obama’s race, and not his policies.
    3. You accused me of bringing Obama’s children into the discussion when I did no such thing.

    Therefore, I referred to you as a liar. You cannot refute those, because they are factual facts.

    JD (318f81)

  89. lovie, you know that you can’t find anyone who gives you any credibility here, right? You do know that your little flouncing has no audience?

    SPQR (768505)

  90. Run ‘em out of the GOP, and find out they’re taking their votes with them. Great advice from a trusted news source.

    Dirty Old Man (dc479b)

  91. Maybe the GOP has to start getting liberal third party candidates on the ballots in certain races.
    Comment by Gerald A — 11/13/2012 @ 12:35 pm

    I think they made a movie about that back in the 40′s, I was a Fake Commie for the FBI or something like that

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  92. people have spoken
    and now they must be punished
    gonna get it hard

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  93. we lost by around 2% and – historically- there are very few elections that were closer. What pisses me off is that there were people on “our side” who thought it better to sit on their asses instead of voting this now re-elected bum out. Motivation? What were they waiting for… their hair to be set on fire?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  94. This was “Minceless Tuesday” and someone forgot to tell teh Whimperor.

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  95. That any reporter or editor would think that the RNC elites have been informed or influenced by the Tea Party for a picosecond suggests gross incompetence and derangement. Let us not forget every Tea Party candidate (Herman Cain, for instance) was shot down and both McCain in ’08 and Romney in ’12 were pushed upon the masses.

    Let’s also not forget the convention, where treachery and trickery were the rule when the RINO elites stripped the people of numerous powers, votes rushed to be captured before delegates returned, and false roll call votes were claimed. The Republican Party has not been Tea Party influenced for a second and, not surprisingly, it got the outcome (again) it engineered.

    So let’s blame the Tea Party influence that wasn’t so we can have a third repeat in 2016. Oh wait… after 2012, it’s evident the Republican Party won’t be around in four more years.

    Multitude (b0bb5a)

  96. Well it is the Dog Trainer, so you expect them to get it right, just like McClatchy.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  97. Lovey is a serial looney.

    Icy (6f7487)

  98. More liars here…

    The Emperor (5dd769)


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