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11/11/2012

Petraeus Paramour Penned Poisonous Paperwork

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:10 am

The woman who helped Petraeus cheat on his wife was upset because she thought he was cheating on her.

She will not be ignored!

The collapse of the dazzling career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and a Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said…

I still want him to testify. And I still want to know when Obama knew about this affair.

422 Responses to “Petraeus Paramour Penned Poisonous Paperwork”

  1. The FBI nailed him months ago, and were told to “stand down” until after the election. Of course the FBI Director had to immediately inform the White House when it discovered the DCI was the surprise target of their investigation. Our national security was put at risk to avoid embarrassing Obama in an election year.

    But testify? When his conduct could get him court-martialed even after retiring? He’ll take the 5th on the first question – and would be insane not to, unless granted full immunity.

    Estragon (13e813)

  2. Was this written about Petraeus?
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/magazine/a-message-from-beyond.html

    Instapundit linked to it last night, but without asking that question.

    yclipse (146148)

  3. When and under what circumstances did the husband find this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gQEDwjhaDE

    scott (b8618e)

  4. The article only goes this far in characterizing the reeqson behind thenthreatening email:, that Broadwell perceived the recipient asmamthreat to,her relationship iwith P4.

    What kind of threat is unspecified, and the nature of that woman’s relationship to P4 per their article, is unknown.

    Point- Broadwell could have been concerned about exposure or some threat to inform his wife or other persons about the affair, or inform P4 about some conduct of Broadwell’s to pp4, or to counel P4 to end the affair or sever his connection with Broadwell, and not necessarily because she was a perceived romantic rival.
    There might noe even be any relationship to P4 on the part of that targeted individual, it could be a comforter or friend of her husbands, or someone who,had been confided in.

    We do not know the specificc content of the email…it , sure, might be “back up off my man” type threats, but it might instead be more like “keep your mouth shut if you knowmwhatnis good for you.

    There were others in their circle who saw the un precedented access B. had to p4 and her flaunting of it, and who thought it was unwise or disturbing and who might have interfered or about to interfere or potentially interfere in that way.

    It’s hasty to clai his woman was perceived as a romantic rival for p4 s attentions ans affections by Broadmoor.

    She might even be a contact of her husband’s and not p4s.

    SarahW (725309)

  5. Is the great lawyer issa in charge of the investigation? JHC the republicans are clueless. These scandals in the last month will go nowhere with the stupid party leading the way. Hey maybe karl rove has some ideas. He led us into a landslide, what a insider this moron is.

    mg (31009b)

  6. iPad thumb typing apologies. Msvott, that movie won’t play. What is it?

    SarahW (725309)

  7. Msvott = Scott.

    SarahW (725309)

  8. I still want to know when Obama knew about this affair.

    Because at some level, everything has to be Obama’s fault.

    Maybe you should also inquire where Obama was the night Vince Foster died as well.

    Geek, Esq. (2815e9)

  9. Tell me the space cadet loon from an earlier love triangle was not involved in this Petraeus one also. You know, the one who drove straight through to the space center? Perhaps the current fiasco explains the General’s reticence vis a vis Benghazi. What’s with Hillary! can’t be available to testify to congress because she’s too busy. Who spreads the propaganda that everyone thinks she’s done a bang up job as SecState? Does anyone recall her history as a lying sack of shite during Whitewater and beyond? And dissembler at the UN Susan Rice could be her replacement? The inmates are running the asylum. An administration which applies the Peter Principle top to bottom, eh? But have no fear as Emperor tells us dear leader will make us all happy and prosperous.

    calypso louis farrakhan (dc363b)

  10. Get lost, geek.

    All I can say about this matter is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU1MAokrrUk

    Where America used to be. Stop laughing at Greece. We are now the laughing stock of the world.

    nk (875f57)

  11. And Petraeus better have “security”. And his passport taken away. He knows too much to be let loose.

    nk (875f57)

  12. Happy Veterans Day to all of you Vets.
    And Thank You so very much.

    mg (31009b)

  13. Love the alliteration.

    8. Vince? No but Donald Young, yes.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  14. nk–

    Republicans are a bit of a laughingstock, the US is not.

    P.S. the rest of the planet wanted Obama to win

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/18320/presidential-polls-global-polls-show-only-two-countries-want-romney-in-the-oval-office

    P.P.S. check out the current spreads on sovereign debt–US is still considered financially sound.

    Geek, Esq. (2815e9)

  15. By all means, we should allow the pubic opinion of Greece and the Ivory Coast to influence our voting decisions. Geek Esp is never not tyresome.

    JD (185efa)

  16. I’d like to know more also. But I don’t see how this could have been used to control Patraeus with respect to Benghazi. “If you lie to the public we will keep this secret and let you retire amid public humiliation a few weeks/months later.” Where’s the upside for Patraeus?

    time123 (873f99)

  17. I always vote the way Putin and Hu would want me to, JD.

    nk (875f57)

  18. There is no upside for Petraeus. This is damage control by sex-scandal distraction, as best as I can see right now. For an administration who had a compromised CinC in Afghanistan and then appointed him Director of the CIA.

    Petraeus should have been removed from Afghanistan when the affair was going on. He should never have been appointed Director of the CIA.

    Stuttering Cluster**** of A Miserable Failure. Obama!

    nk (875f57)

  19. #13, So you think the fiscal path is good?

    Rodney King's Spirit (951136)

  20. It’s the law: the WH is informed about high-ranking executive branch members that come under FBI investigation. It’s been the law since watergate.

    If P4 is compromised enough to resign now, he was then. At minimum there is covering for appearances sake over security to keep it from affecting the election.

    I want to know what happened with the security in Benghazi and the failure to prepare, be ready, or intervene in a foreseeable attack on Americans on American soil, on 9/11, by a known al quaeda presence, and why that attack was mischaracterized as it was for so long. I want to know exactly what happened.

    If Petraeus was kept to heel by his situation, distracted by his situation, not allowed to make decisions because of his situation , we should know. If his scheduled testimony is blocked or altered because of his situation, we need to know if that results from a deliberate strategic move to prevent it, or if Petraeus resigned in order to speak freely.

    The wording of his resignation minimizeshis reason for resigning, and is strange in its specificity, especially when one considers the esteem with which his wife is held and the work she has done, and the humiliation specificity brings to her.

    It’s clearly meant to distract from a more serious issue of security breach, and to prevent speculation damaging to Obama.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  21. 13. “P.P.S. check out the current spreads on sovereign debt–US is still considered financially sound.”

    Compared with EU, Japan, Britain? Tool.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  22. BTW, SarahW,

    The daughter (my the daughter) has an iPad. She steals borrows my laptop for serious work such as Minecraft. ;)

    nk (875f57)

  23. Nerd Lawyer pulled this one out of his . . . pocket protector:
    Because at some level, everything has to be Obama’s fault.
    – Sure. There’s no chance at all that Obama knew about this before the election, but waited until after Tuesday to force Petraeus’s resignation. [eye roll]
    Are you arguing that the president was kept out of the loop on this one?

    P.S. the rest of the planet wanted Obama to win
    – And they all have our best interests at heart, don’t they?
    Idiot.

    Icy (3d360d)

  24. I’d like to know more also. But I don’t see how this could have been used to control Patraeus with respect to Benghazi. “If you lie to the public we will keep this secret and let you retire amid public humiliation a few weeks/months later.” Where’s the upside for Patraeus?
    Comment by time123 — 11/11/2012 @ 6:33 am

    – As usual, you have things ass-backwards. When did Petraeus lie to the public?

    Icy (3d360d)

  25. Oh how I wish that Obama had chosen to run for Secretary-General of the UN.

    nk (875f57)

  26. Minecraft is serious, business, NK, :)

    Walpo is adjusting timelines today, at odds with earlier FBI leakers.

    WaPo also Goes with a more specific, jealous bunny-boiler characterization of the harassing emails:

    The e-mails from Broadwell indicated that she thought the other woman was becoming involved with Petraeus, according to the officials. They said the e-mails were “threatening and harassing” but not specific enough to warrant criminal charges.

    One of the officials said that the recipient of the e-mails complained to Petraeus about them and that the FBI later obtained e-mails between Petraeus and Broadwell in which they discussed the harassment.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  27. Fret not, nk; Ban Ki-moon’s term ends in 2016. Why, just think of the cachet — having a Nobel Peace Prize winner as Secretary General! As a matter of fact, he should start campaigning for that position right now.

    Icy (3d360d)

  28. You all should demand that Speaker Boehner begin impeachment proceedings to determine how and why Petraeus cheating on his wife is actually a crime committed by Obama.

    I’m sure Jerome Corsi and Donald Trump will help the cause.

    And, of course, Patterico’s personally preferred Birther website, World Nuts Daily.

    Geek, Esq. (2815e9)

  29. CIA directors don’t resign over affairs, they resign over security breaches, though.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  30. P4 won’t be testifying, so it’s all very squidgy.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  31. Petraeus’ affair is not Obama’s dereliction of duty. Obama appointing him DCI, nonetheless, is Obama’s dereliction of duty.

    Forget it. Why am I engaging an idiot a troll?

    nk (875f57)

  32. As we are all simply speculating, it wouldn’t be that far of a reach – in fact none at all – that Petraeus freely stepped down because of his own sered conscience and because of the enormity of pain his wife was experiencing.

    This is a man who lived by a strict code of conduct in every sense of the word for his entre adult life and one who obviously presided himsef on that. To no longer live up to that and for it to have disintegrated to the point of public exposure, may have been a relief – hence, his public confession.

    Dana (292dcf)

  33. one who obviously presided himsef on that

    Eh, that would be prided not presided…. iPad…

    Dana (292dcf)

  34. Geek has a point. Evil always has a “point”. Remember when they said we were stupid because it was a private thing between a man and a woman when it was clinton? NOT PERJURY and SUBORNING purjury but just sex?

    Now it is sex with one of our “Hero’s” and we are stupid for thinking it is Obama’s fault. Not it is Obama’s fault because he knew and did not release the information ILLEGALLY before an election. I don’t think it would have mattered because they managed to make so many dead people vote.

    AS for you geek, do you remember when your mamma used to say “if everyone jumped of a cliff would you do it to?” or something like that. No?

    Well you say everyone wanted Obama to win… well everyone is busy jumping off the financial and moral cliff. and you are hellbent on following, so I say.. let’s let you have your way. Have our reps vote present just like your Hero used to pretty much all the time unless it was really evil and reprehensible like partial birth abortion, that is the most pointless disgusting procedure ever.

    Yeah.. vote present and let your side old the poop, because we are “okay” because of little “tricks” by the fed and it can’t last forever.china’s bubble is bursthing and if you don’t think they will not come for their money, you have another thing coming. Your side demands on taxing us all to death..and won’t stop until they get 200 percent and something called a total collaspe happens.

    People are going Galt.. withdrawing from your “winnder’ and you refuse to see it. So be it. Let you have your way. I say collaspe it all with your inability to stop the damn spending. Let YOU hold te back of you know what. You deserve this and the help isn’t going to keep helping. We tell you.. .you laugh. Well no more. .we laugh for the fools you and the world are.

    I tell you .. you guys are not half so cool as you think you are. IF the “world” wanted Obama..that should tell you the problem right there but somehow doesn’t. Europe is about dead honey.. .not just Greece, but Spain and as host of others. And they can’t keep standing when they go down and we won’t either. They are dying from too meany gimme programs, lack of self-control to budget and cut spending, and not having enough children to fund welfare as the grandest ponzi scheme of them all. If you have the “world” on your side.. yup definitely a problem. And you don’t ave anything better. LOL!

    Noelie (79cee7)

  35. “The White House says no one there knew about the Petraeus situation before Wednesday and the president himself was informed Thursday. But if the story had broken a week earlier, those headlines would have overtaken much of the president’s message about the middle class and his work in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy. Who made the decision to wait, and why, is going to be the subject of scrutiny as this scandal continues to unfold.

    Petraeus’s departure now has also thrown a whole new pile of grist into the Benghazi controversy. Already, the attack that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others was being called an intelligence failure — both the failure to anticipate it and the decision to identify it as a riot rather than a terrorist attack.”

    Even Politico isn’t buying. And that’s reflective of too many unanswered questions about Benghazi and too much effort by the administration to convince us there’s nothing to see.

    Dana (292dcf)

  36. Seems a little too convenient, no, of course, Petraeus took undue risks as did Sanford, Edwards, et al, but the first should have known better.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  37. Despite what the liberals all say
    Adult’ry’s wrong, per UCMJ
    The General got caught
    His pants on were not
    But it’s Paula who will have to pay.

    The Limerick Avenger (f68855)

  38. No offense Patterico, but you aren’t seriously buying this BS…are you?

    You and 4 other people were SWATTED across state lines and you can’t get the FBI to investigate squat. And these circus clowns expect us to buy that they went on some squirrel chase investigating a “harassment complaint” that resulted in…wait for it…no charges. Since when does the FBI investigate harassment complaints involving reporters? Why wasn’t this referred to local authorities? If this is what the FBI does now, then why aren’t Rauhauser and Kimberlin being investigated? I’ll tell you…

    Because the FBI doesn’t do that sort of thing. So hasn’t someone called up the FBI and asked them why they were investigating something so completely out of their purvue as a harassment complaint? Why hasn’t someone called up the head of the FBI and asked who authorized him to spy on Patreaus’ emails?

    Bets (033997)

  39. Dana, if that were true, and his wife’s pain, not just his honor, were his driving guiding light, he would never have publicly spoken about an extramarital affair in his resignation statement.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  40. Hillary’s fingerprints are all over this soap opera, it’s another Bimbo Eruption and the old nuts and sluts head fake has been dusted off and put out to protect the man in the Oval Office.

    ropelight (1ecb0c)

  41. oath of office he shouldn’t have said it
    in due time Petraeus would regret it
    on the desk on the ground
    over under sideways down
    his prick in Broadwell ’twas embedded

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  42. Petraeus an American hero
    his stock would soon plunge to zero
    said “this is my rifle
    this is my gun
    one is for killing
    the other’s for fun”
    but thank Heaven
    he wasn’t a queer-O

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  43. I don’t know which is worse: Obama knowing and keeping Petraeus’ imminent resignation on the down low, or him being “spared” information about a positive security breach and misconduct of his CIA chief appointee, head of an agency hip deep in notable international act of terrorism in Benghazi, one which should have been foreseen and defended.

    They KEPT the fact that the FBI was investigating him fron OBAMA? What kind of a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure is Obama, anyway?

    SarahW (b0e533)

  44. They would keep this from him? With all this going on? WTF?

    SarahW (b0e533)

  45. This whole story is aggressively weird.

    What happened and why? Elections over media. What else have you got to do.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  46. Agency’s honor we thought he would save
    and the man was known to be brave
    but we didn’t ask
    and he sure didn’t tell
    one thing’s for certain
    he made his own Hell
    and now gets as good as he gave

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  47. A “strict code of conduct” that allowed him to lie to 2 presidents. He told Bush iraq and Afghanistan were doable. He told Obama much the same. Too mnay on the right indulged in this fantasy that the wonderful honorable military man was good and great.Some believed what they wanted to believe rather than what they saw. An honorable man at some poitn would ahve told the CIC that trying to change such cultures was a fool’s errand, he would not allow his men and women to be killed by imbecilir rules of engagement ahd he would deal honestly with the psychotic nature of the Arab Islamic culture. Or not all. And he would resign with his virtue intact. There was a point Petraeus crossed that line, when he accepted lies as how business was done. And after that calling him honorable is crime.

    Simply we have stayed too long in the field. Unending war is corrosive in ways great and small; corrosive to truth, to values, to our soul. When you pretend the Islamic Middle East can be changed, when you ignore the evil that is the Muslim Brotherhood and the Arab Spring, when you pretend with just enough men you can change that insane culture, You are lying. And what’s one more lie once you go down that path?

    I spent yesterday in Breezy Point clearing the mess that used to be my summer home. All around us were Marines and Navy See Bees, along with thousands of volunteers, helping their fellow Americans pick up the pieces.mahy of them mere kids, all of them there by choice, all of them breaking their asses to help us. As awful as this experience has been, it was heartening to see so many young people helping fellow citizens they don’t know. I’m struck how we go from those young selfless volunteers working their asses off to help, to this tragic comedy that our governemnt has become at it’s highest levels. There was a day David Petreaus would have been out there as a young man in uniform re-building my neighbor’s porch or pumping out another’s basement as these kids were yesterday. Petreaus is one man, yet he tells us much about America; like us as a whole he is lost in a sea of lies. How did we get from what I saw yesterday, the best this country cann offer, to this sorid mess. And when do we go from a country that made sense to this. When do we get our soul, our honor, our country back to it’s ideals.

    Bugg (c8b43a)

  48. Because at some level, everything has to be Obama’s fault.

    Maybe you should also inquire where Obama was the night Vince Foster died as well.

    Comment by Geek, Esq.

    Hey look! It’s the guy who said you can’t fool Obama’s credit card verification system to make a foreign donation!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  49. Don’t kid yourself, this is about Benghazigate and nothing else. The Butcher of Benghazi denied military help for the Americans under attack and he sat in full view in a room full of men who could have done something about it, and he refused to allow rescue efforts to proceed.

    Barack Obama not only let 4 Americans die at the hands of Islamic terrorists, he refused to let other Americans even try to save them.

    General Petraeus initially went along with the cover-up going public with his support for the anti-Muslim video fairy tale only to change course and deny it was him or anyone else in CIA who prevented rescue attempts.

    That pointed the finger straight at Barack Obama and that meant Petraeus has to be destroyed before he could testify under oath to Issa’s Congressional Committee.

    ropelight (1ecb0c)

  50. The other news that got dumped on Friday, along with the cage of Petraeus squirrels:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/11/military-timeline-from-night-benghazi-attack-begs-more-questions/

    SarahW (b0e533)

  51. Let me get a little riled here: Eric Cantor knew in October: agents informed him of P4s investigation.

    Eric Cantor, but Obama is spared?

    Weirder and Weirder.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  52. Well that was the job, as we well know the consequences of retreat from Afghanistan, as happened last time around, are grave indeed, the counterinsurgency strategy worked, in Iraq, up to a point, but Obama’s wishes won out,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  53. Teh Man was good with teh surges
    alas he could not fight urges
    took a solemnly vow
    then bumped uglies with that cow
    his marriage may soon hear the dirges

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  54. In Geek’s world the buck stops everywhere EXCEPT the Oval Office.

    Icy (3d360d)

  55. The bottom line for me is the national security issue: That Petreus was sending “thousands” of emails to Broadwell after she broke it off indicates a man whose attention and focus was in no way where it should have been. This behavior would indicate a person struggling with the end of a romance, perhaps heartbroken, etc. There is just no way that he could have been fully engaged in matters of national security being so distracted. This, to me, makes his appearance before Congress all the more imperative.

    Dana (292dcf)

  56. This whole story is aggressively weird.

    and it’s gonna get a damn sight weirder…

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  57. nothin’ but a pencil-neck geek…

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  58. The Senate Intelligence Committee (Feinstein) said this morning that they had zero no advance notice. She found out Friday morning.

    Dana (292dcf)

  59. Dave took up with that Paula broad,
    His behavior sure did get odd
    He unsheathed his lance
    And got in her pants
    ‘Cause he though she had a hot bod.

    The Limerick Avenger (f68855)

  60. Chaffetz and Issa will decide tomorrow whether to subpooena Petraeus. And they want to hear from Hillary, too.

    Dana (292dcf)

  61. “You all should demand that Speaker Boehner begin impeachment proceedings to determine how and why Petraeus cheating on his wife is actually a crime committed by Obama.”

    The crime by the (alleged) POTUS is leaving a guy in charge of the CIA who is a major league security risk, just so that the scoundrel Obama would be shielded from any negative political fallout until after the election.

    The political fortunes of the New Messiah comes first, the security of the United States and its citizens is barely on the priority list (somewhere after the welfare of Islamist rebels, judging by our Libyan policy).

    And, Barack Obama should have been impeached for a number of reasons, starting with Fast and Furious a long time ago.

    But, everyone already knows that.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  62. P.S. the rest of the planet wanted Obama to win

    Random facts with no logical explanation of what they prove are lots of fun. They make for good conversations at Starbucks.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  63. #44:
    Although I disagreed with the decision to go into Iraq, Iraq was winnable. We made one strategic mistake: WE THOUGHT WE COULD CHANGE THEIR CULTURE.

    #48:
    Implausible deniability.

    And I agree: great alliteration in the title.

    Jay Stevens (de45cf)

  64. I see the WaPo is pushing the absurd contention that the FBI knew months ago that the head of the CIA was a big time security risk…and, didn’t bother to let the POTUS know about it until now.

    Baloney.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  65. #59

    I should add they seem to form the foundation of liberal “thinking”.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  66. This would put a different spin on the story, but she may have misunderstood.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/did-petraeus-mistress-reveal-secret-cia-prison/

    narciso (ee31f1)

  67. And, of course, Patterico’s personally preferred Birther website, World Nuts Daily.

    This is an overt lie.

    JD (185efa)

  68. “P.S. the rest of the planet wanted Obama to win”

    No doubt. They’re interested in THEIR welfare, not the welfare of the United States and its citizens, much like President “Goddam America”.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  69. World nuts or not, the video is online in full.
    She really said those things.
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/did-petraeus-mistress-reveal-secret-cia-prison/

    SarahW (b0e533)

  70. I know there were reports that when the attack on the consulate occurred, prisoners were taken, but these later had to be relinquished. Perhaps this is what she is referring to.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  71. “And I still want to know when Obama knew about this affair.”

    About ten minutes after the FBI found out the guy running our spy organization was dirty.

    That info would go straight to the POTUS.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  72. “I still want him to testify.”

    I want him kicked off the retired list and stripped of every benefit he’s not entitled to…which is all of them.

    No retirement benefits for this scumbag.

    Take Petraeus’ pension payments and send them to Scott Broadwell and Broadwell’s two kids. That would be just.

    In addition, I want Petraeus brought up on charges under Article 134 of the UCMJ. He’s an utter disgrace, and his conduct HAS brought discredit to the armed forces of the United States.

    He ought to pay the maximum penalty: Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year.

    That’s assuming that what the media is reporting is true, of course.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  73. __________________________________________

    Well you say everyone wanted Obama to win… well everyone is busy jumping off the financial and moral cliff.

    I saw one survey (assuming it’s different from the one being referenced) that, interestingly and oddly enough, showed China (ie, PRC) as perhaps the only country where a majority of respondents favored Romney over Obama. Yet Romney expressed some hostility during the campaign towards a laziness-faire approach to China and trade.

    A few other nations, mainly Poland, Taiwan and Japan, didn’t have such a large percentage of people favoring President “Goddamn America” over Romney. So I think common sense hasn’t been chunked quite as thoroughly in those places as it has elsewhere.

    Odd contradictions in other areas too. I saw another opinion survey that showed Obama being rated even lower than George W Bush among Middle Easterners. Yet polls indicated that Islamicists in the US electorate overwhelmingly pulled the lever for Obama over Romney. Western-world liberals and sharia-law enablers make odd bedfellows.

    This is all playing out like a bad script straight from a hokey Hollywood movie. Speaking of which, Petraeus and his jealous mistress appear to be sort of “Fatal Attraction, Part 2.”

    Mark (8087c8)

  74. where is Mr buttons this story reeks of astronaut diapers

    happyfeet (7544c2)

  75. #2 is interesting that advice was given seemingly to protect the director but I was amused about this aspect of the advice:

    “Don’t expose the affair in any high-profile way. It would be different if this man’s project was promoting some (contextually hypocritical) family-values platform, but that doesn’t appear to be the case.”

    In other words, the NY Time predictably advised that if he’s a lefty you don’t expose him but if a conservative you should bring him down.

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  76. __________________________________________

    He’s an utter disgrace, and his conduct HAS brought discredit to the armed forces of the United States.

    But at least in the little area of his running the CIA, since that agency has been actively sponsoring booths at Gay Pride events in DC, I’d say he’d have to be flakier and freakier to be in violation of standards. IOW, only if he were, say, into very aggressive and dangerous S&M with his honey should he be judged as breaking the law

    Remember, we’re dealing with America in 2012.

    And let’s give a big shout out to Nidal Hasan and Fort Hood!

    Mark (8087c8)

  77. ______________________________________________

    This behavior would indicate a person struggling with the end of a romance, perhaps heartbroken, etc.

    I know that staunch conservatives can be as super two-faced and hypocritical as any other group, particularly if they’re male and the matter of good ol’ sex is involved. But the fact that Petraeus was a “Rockefeller Republican,” meaning squishy to the max — and likely would have (or did) vote for his leftwing boss (well, naturally) last Tuesday — does make me think he’s a bit (just a bit) more likely to be the type to say “to hell with it. If standards are dumbed down, c’est la vie, baby! If it feels good, do it! After all, free expression and tons of compassion are as honorable as anything else. So, honey, respond to my millions of emails…I beg you to.”

    Mark (8087c8)

  78. “And I still want to know when Obama knew about this affair.”

    Well then maybe you need to work on your access to classified or sensitive government information.

    Powder Dry (3d5492)

  79. Surls-

    Is the D/CIA subject to military rules? Is he technically a civilian?

    Objectively that the D/CIA would a. conduct an affair and b. document his stupidity using email bespeaks either imbecility or naiveté, neither of which would be a good attribute for that position.

    Bugg (c8b43a)

  80. Bugg @76, as a practical matter adultery rarely rises to the level where the command feels compelled to pursue it.

    It can.

    It’s still on the books. It’s still a crime.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  81. I’m cheezed at Broadwell’s smug little assertion that we shouldn’t necessarily be told what specific failures occurred in Benghazi or what happened because it would reveal sources and methods.

    Sources and methods of fail and murder. For your own good.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  82. What she said (in the video linked above, Benghazi Q&A begins at roughly 35:45 –

    “As a former intel officer it’s frustrating to me because it reveals our sources and methods, I don’t think the public necessarily needs to know all of that. It is a tragedy that we lost an ambassador and two other government officials, and [...] there was a failure in the system because there was additional security requested, but it’s frustrating to see the sort of political aspect of what’s going on with this whole investigation.”

    SarahW (b0e533)

  83. but it’s frustrating to see the sort of political aspect of what’s going on with this whole investigation.”

    She must be *really* frustrated seeing what’s coming up this week regarding the investigation…

    Dana (292dcf)

  84. ABC is downplaying the security breach as best it can, with contrary-to-FBI-leaks-we-know-about claims that it was all just a lot of “human drama” (also as if that is not a security risk all its own).

    However they do point in the direction of the Other other woman, retailing the infor that the email that triggered investigations was sent to a woman in Florida.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  85. “Is the D/CIA subject to military rules?”

    I reckon he was doing her when he was still in the army (might not be able to prove it though).

    Also, those subject to the UCMJ include:

    “4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.”

    A retired four star general with 38 years service is entitled to an annual pension of $219,600, according to an article I was just reading.

    I assume (without being a big expert on military law) that means Petraeus is still subject to the UCMJ.

    That brings up another issue: Paula Broadwell is supposedly, according to media reports, an officer in the Army Reserves.

    I want that fixed, I want her thrown out on her ear, and if possible, she ought to be brought up on charges.

    Again, that assumes that everything being reported is true.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  86. Petraeus’ reason for quitting is only about sex. You know The Enlightened One is not hiding anything and Obamacare, tax raises and deep defense cuts means a new economic boom soon to gather steam. Forget any depression in the meantime and if the natives gets restless in places like NYC and riot, just close down the tunnels and bridges and call in Snake Pliskin.

    Now a new effort to diss Choom by an Appleby’s franchisee over the Obamacare implemenation. And hordes of libs calling for boycotts against greedy capitalist owner. Papa John is in same boat. I do see Appleby’s is treating veterans to free meals Monday holiday. One wag suggested libs can boycott all they want and turn the Appleby thing into another Chick Filet. And asked how the feck can they boycott when Appleby’s doesn’t take food stamps. I also wonder if more people aren’t emulating the Greeks and Italians by working for cash and taking government benefits also?

    Calypso Louis Farrakhan (e799d8)

  87. Of course, just because I want something, it doesn’t follow that what I want is feasible, legal, or likely to happen.

    I’m just saying that I want it.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  88. AP, via huffpo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121111/us-petraeus-resigns/

    The Florida woman has been identified as “Jill Kelley,” 37 by one source, and P4s friendship with Kelley confirmed by another.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  89. I don’t recall questions about sources or methods. Seems to me the questions are about their inaction, distraction, obfuscation, ignoring known threats, ignoring requests for security, etc.

    JD (318f81)

  90. ==Again, that assumes that everything being reported is true==

    And quite frankly that’s prolly not a very good assumption to be making.

    elissa (8c479c)

  91. With everything on background and no names in front of a camera, yeah. The stories and timelines readjust every ten seconds.

    Anyway the full title of the Kelley person is State Department’s liaison to the military’s Joint Special Operations Command

    SarahW (b0e533)

  92. So anyway there is a photobook of one of her kids (no link, find it yoself) with the only pics of the mother I’ve been able to find.

    She’s married to a Doctor and has at least 3 kids.

    Maybe any romantic rivalry was all in Broadwell’s head, but there was turf involved, too. Maybe she didn’t like anyone getting to be liason except herself – a role B adopted for herself setting up Petraeus meetings with the Princetonian at Princeton University

    SarahW (b0e533)

  93. Included in picture book is picture of Petraeus with the kids, and the childish scrawl of “General Petraeus came to my house.”

    SarahW (b0e533)

  94. She is a dark beauty, certainly would get my chaudière de lapin meter up.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  95. I mean, if I were Broadwell it would.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  96. Kelley’s a stunner. I mean, drop-dead gorgeous.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  97. If there was another sort of romance afoot, (and I don’t make that assumption), that face could launch a thousand emails.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  98. Jill Kelley, or Jill Kelly?

    JD (318f81)

  99. With the “e”, JD.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  100. From the little photobook (cropped by me for obvious reasons)

    “I was with General Petraeus. He came to my house.”

    SarahW (b0e533)

  101. Oh. Jill Kelly is hot too.

    JD (318f81)

  102. JD,

    It is customary on this site to require commenters to support their factual assertions with links.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  103. And I still want to know when Obama knew about this affair.

    Probably when he said so. Obama didn’t need this whole complicated, peculiar investigation to get Petraeus fired.

    Other people n the U.S. government would have needd it.

    Like maybe the people who produced all that rotten analysis about Benghazi and were producing lots of rotten analysis for along time.

    Sammy Finkelman (d2951c)

  104. NSFW. Works in the valley.

    JD (185efa)

  105. The info being printed–the names being dropped–a piece here, a piece there. One newspaper or blog gets a tip from “someone familiar with the situation” and off they go. Another site gets another tip from “an unnamed source” which prompts the reporters to go off on another direction. The timeline is confused and confusing and “evolving” even though it’s really important to know at what point certain events occurred. We are expected to believe the POTUS was told nutin and knew nutin until Wednesday or Thursday. It’s like somebody’s dropping crumbs along a trail for people to follow, or is leaving clues for a scavenger hunt some of which are purposely weaselly. We are being insulted and toyed with. It’s both fascinating and scary to watch. We are living inside a John Le Carre novel.

    elissa (8c479c)

  106. Should I kill this link?
    Here is a quick look at Jill Kelley (cropped from source)

    http://twitpic.com/bcfxr5

    SarahW (b0e533)

  107. Comment by time123 — 11/11/2012 @ 6:33 am

    But I don’t see how this could have been used to control Patraeus with respect to Benghazi.

    Getting him to resign! That’s all they wanted.

    Sammy Finkelman (d2951c)

  108. The timeline is confused and confusing and “evolving”

    This has been going on since Sep 11th. They rode out the clock til after the election, with the active assistance of the MFM. Now they are carpet bombing with squirrels. PETA should be outraged.

    JD (185efa)

  109. If this affair with Broadwell took place during 2010 and Petraeus began serving as director of CIA in 2011, was there no updated investigation into him (vetting) just to make sure his behavior was on the up and up? That must be the case since rumors were out there about suspicion of his relationship with Broadwell. A lapse in security from the get-go?

    Dana (292dcf)

  110. The medical version of Occam’s razor is “when you hear hoof beats, think horses (not zebras, much less unicorn).

    The “horse” is simply that a man in a high position in another country for a long time had too much time alone with a younger woman who idolized him. Things happened, follow up decisions were made that seemed good to those in the know at the time but are suspect in retrospect, and the timing of things blowing up coincided with other events. (After all, if you are DCIA when is there an “OK” time to have a scandal?)

    The “zebra” is that the original fall was of the “horse” variety, but in the tradition of the Chicago-way of friends close and enemies closer, it was fortuitous that someone well respected by the public could be appointed to a significant position, when in reality he was compromised and manipulable. And the timing does have something to do with Benghazi.

    The “unicorn” is the following:
    Other than the newly elected president in 2008 who was the darling of everyone, who was the most respected leader in America at the time? Someone who rose above politics and simply wanted the best for America, who was revered by those closest to him, who had quietly proven his critics wrong in the eyes of all America?
    Gen. David Petraeus.
    He had proven Harry Reid and Sen. Obama and every one else wrong by winning a “lost” war.

    If you were of a political mindset to maintain power and destroy your enemies, what would you do?
    Perhaps this was closer to Samson and Delilah than I first thought, and even the affair was political sabotage. Who other than a counterintelligence operative would suspect such an entrapment?

    I have no idea which of these scenarios is closest to the truth. I don’t know when or if we will have enough reliable information to know.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  111. 13. @Gary Gulrud – I think you meant Ted Stevens.

    But airplane crashes do happen in Alaska – I think that one’s been explained, and the prosecutors still got in big trouble. One committed suicide I think.

    Sammy Finkelman (d2951c)

  112. All I can think, is poor Mrs. Petraeus.

    Dana (292dcf)

  113. Comment by Dana — 11/11/2012 @ 1:19 pm

    Yes, and Broadwell’s kids.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  114. SarahW,

    Looked at your link. Yeah, I can see where Broadwell would get the claws out after seeing emails to Kelley. Women love men with power and women do not like to share.

    Dana (292dcf)

  115. Comment by SarahW — 11/11/2012 @ 10:00 am

    I know there were reports that when the attack on the consulate occurred, prisoners were taken, but these later had to be relinquished. Perhaps this is what she is referring

    3 prisoners taken by the CIA people at the “annex”

    They had to be given up when they were all evacuated to the airport.

    Sammy Finkelman (d2951c)

  116. Patterico–

    Your proof of alleged credit card fraud was a report from a Birther website, World Net Daily.

    So, yeah, to the extent your crowd has proven Obama was born in Kenya, wears a secret Mooslim ring, etc, you’ve also proven the whole credit card thing.

    P.S. for you education, the fact that a transaction clears the Obama website doesn’t mean it doesn’t get caught by the credit card AVS later on.

    Geek, Esq. (2815e9)

  117. Slightly OT, but concerning the one and his reelection which this is perhaps related to:

    I heard a very good sermon today on Esther Chap 8. A book of political intrigue that doesn’t explicitly mention God (and where the Jews were blamed for something untrue).
    One of the major points is that while things may look like they are headed one way, you don’t really know till all is said and done.
    The perspective of Scripture is that God raises up leaders and brings them down for His purposes, and to be a leader raised up by God in-and-of itself is not necessarily a place where you want to be. God put Pharaoh on the throne of Egypt to be shown as an example. God raised up Assyrian and Babylonian kings to be used as tools in the judgement of other nations, and in turn they were judged.

    Those (few here) who think Obama being elected is great for the country may be in a surprise.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  118. the fact that a transaction clears the Obama website doesn’t mean it doesn’t get caught by the credit card AVS later on.

    Now you’re just making things up.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  119. The much prettier Dana wrote:

    All I can think, is poor Mrs. Petraeus.

    David Petraeus retired from the Army as a full general, with 37 years of service. His pension from that alone is over $150,000 per year, and Mrs Petraeus is entitled to half of that. In addition:

    Holly Petraeus is currently the assistant director, service member affairs at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), where she has been an important early leader of the fledgling agency.

    “Poor Mrs Petraeus” may indeed be poor in the sense that she deserves our sympathy, but she won’t be poor in the way so many other people are in the Obama economy.

    The uglier Dana (f68855)

  120. Your proof of alleged credit card fraud was a report from a Birther website, World Net Daily.

    I see no reason to think they were making that up. If they believe something many consider wacky so what? There’s other proof beside that, like Chris Walker, a British citizen who made two donations from England.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  121. Interesting. Kelley is from Philadelphis. She has a twin sister, Natalie Kawham, also of the tampa area, who specializes in qui tam litigation (whistleblower litigation.)

    I remember the FBI agents being kinda interested in not just Chinese hackery, but corruption.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  122. Although, looking a little harder http://madduxpress.com/index.php/2010/05/03/natalie-khawam-joins-trenam-kemker-4902/

    the qui tam stuff seems to be mostly related to health care fraud.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  123. correcting typo – name is Khawam, obviously

    SarahW (b0e533)

  124. I am pretty sure both are of Lebanese extraction.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  125. Patterico is citing claims made by WND as proof for his credit card accusation.

    http://patterico.com/2012/10/29/michelle-obama-osama-bin-laden-is-one-of-my-husbands-most-committed-supporters/

    High comedy from World Net Daily — yet it’s all 100% true (assuming you believe World Net Daily, which I do, in this limited instance, because of the level of detail provided

    Since Patterico considers WND such a solid source, he must believe stories like this:

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

    . Moreover, according to Arabic-language and Islamic experts, the ring Obama has been wearing for more than 30 years is adorned with the first part of the Islamic declaration of faith, the Shahada: “There is no god except Allah.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/trinity-church-members-reveal-obama-shocker/

    . It’s within that subtext that opposition researchers for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign began investigating rumors that Rev. Jeremiah Wright was running a “matchmaking service” for members of his Trinity United Church of Christ known as the Down Low Club, which included Barack Obama.

    Over the past several months, WND investigators have interviewed a number of members of the church who claim the president benefited from Wright’s efforts to help black men who engage in homosexual activity appear respectable in black society by finding them a wife.

    So, Patterico’s credibility on all things Obama is no different than Jerome Corsi or Donald Trump, or Jeff Rense for that matter.

    The appropriate response to people who rely on WND for their accusations is mockery.

    Geek, Esq. (2815e9)

  126. Comment by The uglier Dana — 11/11/2012 @ 1:40 pm

    While Mrs. Petraeus will not be financially hurting in any way (depending on future actions), she will however always be hurting in the deepest way.

    Dana (292dcf)

  127. Mr Finkelman wrote:

    Getting him to resign! That’s all they wanted.

    That’s pretty much the last thing they wanted! David Petraeus was a Good Soldier, and the perfect Director of the CIA: he didn’t speak to the press, he didn’t leak things, and he pretty much kept his mouth shut. Under him, the CIA even celebrated national homosexual pride month, and supports “diversity” right to the liberal line. If General Petraeus opposed Obama Administration policies in any way, it was never reported.

    With General Petraeus’ success in Iraq and Afghanistan — he actually took a position subordinate to the one he held, at the President’s request, after General Stanley McChrystal told the truth was forced out — he gave the entire Administration cover in military and national security affairs (so to speak).

    The man was almost perfect. He married the daughter of a former Superintendent of the United States Military Academy. He was graduated in the top 5% of his class at West Point, earned a Masters of Public Administration and then a PhD in International Relations at Princeton. He was obviously a good military general, but he was also a top political and social general. The whacko leftists an MoveOn.org hated him, and called him “General Betray Us,” because he did President Bush’s bidding, but, as Moe Lane noted, they scrubbed their criticism when President Obama needed him.

    The astute Dana (f68855)

  128. Patraeus will talk after he has gone over all the facts with his lawyers. You can be sure friends of the POTUS are warning him he will be prosecuted if he reveals classified information. Since the WH has lost its leverage with the infidelity angle, they have to use another angle to silence him. The potential loss of a star is another threat.

    Most likely Patraeus will write a book, carefully worded, but it will carry the significant information. Royaties will probably go to charity, but he will more than make it up on the lecture circuit.

    Corky Boyd (c2186d)

  129. Geek- nobody but you looks at the subject of this thread and automatically thinks “hey! let’s talk about WND and credit cards and Jeremiah Wright again–right here and now”. You’re way too obvious bro.

    elissa (8c479c)

  130. Geek, Esq. argues that any publication that publishes any story that is unreliable cannot ever be relied upon for anything.

    There goes his inability to rely on ANY Big Media outlet for anything.

    I noted at the time why I believed the WND story despite my rejection of their Birther stories.

    The charges went through. The cards were charged. Geek, Esq. spoke from his hindquarters and now relies on an absurd ad hominem argument to wriggle off the hook.

    Is ANYONE surprised?

    Patterico (8b3905)

  131. Yes, yes Patterico, you know it happened because you have faith in what WND wrote. Their word is all you need.

    Because, you know, details.

    I’m sure there’s some kind of hearsay exception for “details.”

    Outside of the epistemically closed universe of the wingnutosphere, making an accusation based on what you read in WND gets you laughed at.

    Geek, Esq. (2815e9)

  132. But, by all means, file a civil/criminal complaint. Just attach a copy of the WND article. I’m sure it’ll hold up in court.

    Geek, Esq. (2815e9)

  133. Elissa- nailed it.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  134. The very beautiful Dana wrote:

    While Mrs. Petraeus will not be financially hurting in any way (depending on future actions), she will however always be hurting in the deepest way.

    I wonder about that. Dr Petraeus had to resign due to one affair, exposed because his mistress thought he was dumping her for another mistress. She might have been wrong about that — I’m sure we’ll know soon enough! — but General Petraeus had, at the very least, paid an inordinate amount of attention to a very beautiful woman, significantly younger than himself, or his wife. We do not know, of course, at least not yet, but either the General was somewhat used to flirting and trying to pick up potential mistresses when he started his relationship with LTC Broadwell, or he was a pushover for a pretty woman flirting with him, and a man as successful as he was would have attracted more than a few pretty women flirting with him. Either way, I would guess that LTC Broadwell was not his first mistress, and the cynic in me suspects that Mrs Petraeus has dealt with this issue previously.

    The cynical Dana (f68855)

  135. Now you’re just making things up.

    Gerald – and water is wet. It is what Geek does. And lie.

    JD (185efa)

  136. Since Patterico considers WND such a solid source, he must believe stories like this:

    Lie

    JD (185efa)

  137. Notice how Geek’s reason for bringing up WND in the first place was to link it with a straw man that Patterico was saying that “Petraeus cheating on his wife is actually a crime committed by Obama”. But now we’re completely off that point…

    Gerald A (f26857)

  138. It must have been easy for B to believe that a woman with an accomplished physician husband who loved her, and a lovely family of young children would try to horn in on her crush. I suppose might only have been turf at stake, and B. wanted to be his spokesmodel to the world.

    The rival is a bit of a goddess, too, so perhaps she imagined a threat even if K. Had no affections at stake. If there was a mutual secondary romance that would so very sad, but I don’t assume that there really was any such thing.

    Anyway, I”m making a mughli. For Christmas now. This old article talks about the Khawam family’s. Lebanese Christmases, and the recipes sound like heaven
    http://articles.philly.com/1988-12-18/food/26225923_1_christmas-eve-christmas-preparations-papa-noel

    SarahW (b0e533)

  139. Obama was too fragile to be told about his compromised CIA director? Or put in the loop on any inquiry to decide whether he was compromised?

    What’s what other matters would they keeper him wrapped in cotton about?

    Unless, of course, he knew, and hid it for political advantage.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  140. Surprised that Geek Esq is still showing how dishonest he is? Like I’m surprised that the sun still shines.

    SPQR (768505)

  141. Oh ick.

    The harassing e-mails Broadwell sent to the woman said things such as “I know what you did,” “back off” and “stay away from my guy,” a government official said.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324894104578111471926161846.html

    But here is the brilliant part:

    Mr. Petraeus had shared some access to the account with Ms. Broadwell, possibly to exchange messages,

    SarahW (b0e533)

  142. Btw, the author, Aaron Klein, of the article Patterico cited is also himself a Birther who fabricated his own scandal over Birtherism on Wikipedia.

    http://gawker.com/5167585/?tag=television

    So, Patterico blindly trusts the word of Birther b.s. artists.

    Because, details.

    So, Patterico can pretend that the word of a Birther nutjob is conclusive proof. And everyone who doesn’t suffer from ODS is entitled to sneer at him as a result.

    Geek, Esq. (2815e9)

  143. Ipadding again. Maybe I’d better play angry birds instead of trying to type.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  144. Parting shot:

    Who’s dumber: the Birthers, or people who rely on the Birthers for news about the President?

    Birthers report, Patterico decides.

    Geek, Esq. (2815e9)

  145. Gawker, a ‘greater den of scum and villainy’ cannot be imagined, with Cayman Island accounts, as it turns out.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  146. Geek does not like to talk about Obama’s CIA director sharing his email account with a jealous chippie with black ops on her resume, or Obama being kept out of the loop every step of the way until the resignation was a done deal.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  147. Eric Cantor gets to know, but Obama is too delicate.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  148. More like Valerie Jarrett … after all, the Secret Service are there protecting her for a reason.

    SPQR (768505)

  149. There are squirrel dogs who see Geek Esq and go “Wait, wuh?”

    SPQR (768505)

  150. The annoying doesn’t like the link, well here’s the link;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPaf5OJSskY&feature=player_embedded

    narciso (ee31f1)

  151. So basically, Geek is a pompous self important lying douchenozzle. Objectively. People that refer to themselves as Esp inevitably are.

    JD (318f81)

  152. “Mr. Petraeus had shared some access to the account with Ms. Broadwell, possibly to exchange messages,”

    Comment by SarahW

    Letttin’ teh little head do his thinkin’ for him.

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  153. I don’t have time to follow this thread, but is Geek Esq citing Gawker while complaining about people citing inferior sources?

    Is this some kind of joke?

    Dustin (73fead)

  154. Amongst the other 52 logic and honesty fails, Dustin, yes.

    JD (185efa)

  155. I can’t follow all this either really

    this petraeus dude sounds like a real winner though like that mark hurd loser what lost his ceo gig at hp

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  156. Jail the general and make sure this trollop is done pulling tricks on Americans.

    mg (31009b)

  157. petraeus shoulda just contented himself with the gay porn / fleshlights / bean dip from costco parties what seem to more than satisfy the rest of the cia

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  158. or maybe he’s more like that weirdo south carolina governor guy with the whole midlife crisis let’s maximally embarrass the family ethos going on

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  159. You have experience with these events, pikachu,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  160. ________________________________________________

    I noted at the time why I believed the WND story despite my rejection of their Birther stories.

    You don’t have anything to apologize for when suspicions about his birthplace go straight to the very source.

    Based on the following, it’s hard to believe the vetting process for something as basic (within the framework of a published biography) as where a person is born was screwed up unintentionally. That the mistake was 100% grabbed out of thin air, totally disconnected from and without the knowledge of the subject.

    And it’s quite a leap to assume the subject of the biography (who’s known for having quite an ego) was so inattentive and apathetic about what’s written about him that he was totally oblivious to the error. Either that, or the mistake must not have bothered him that much to begin with.

    abcnews.go.com, May 2012: A possible source of the so-called “birther” issue–or at least a potential cause of the rumors that have dogged President Barack Obama–has been identified. Obama’s former literary agency misidentified his birthplace as Kenya while trying to promote the then-Harvard Law grad as an author in 1991.

    According to a promotional booklet produced by the agency, Acton & Dystel, to showcase its roster of writers, Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

    Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

    Breitbart.com [has] noted that Obama was listed as being born in Kenya on the Dyster & Goderich website until April 2007, “just two months after then-Senator Obama declared his campaign for the presidency.”

    Mark (8087c8)

  161. Thanks to happyfeet, I’ll never eat bean dip again.

    SPQR (768505)

  162. Sharing an account? Why would they do that? Hmmmm . . . . I remember reading maybe 10 years ago that Al Qaeda used a clever way to communicate with less chance of intercept. Two people would have the same password to the same web-based e-mail account (AOL? Yahoo? it hardly matters). Either one could compose an e-mail, and the other one could read it even if it was ‘saved as draft’ and never sent. The point was that never sending it out through the intertubes meant it was a lot harder for anyone like the FBI or CIA to intercept it. Is that what these two were doing, sharing a GMail account but not actually sending the e-mails? Just brainstorming here . . . .

    Dr. Weevil (47927d)

  163. Mr. feets, if I get to vote I’m going with the bean dip from Costco.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  164. ==does not like to talk about Obama’s CIA director sharing his email account with a jealous chippie with black ops on her resume, or Obama being kept out of the loop every step of the way until the resignation was a done deal.==

    Why SarahW, it’s almost as if Barack Obama is just a celebrity figurehead president and somebody else or several unelected somebodies are the ones actually making all the decisions and running the country.

    elissa (8c479c)

  165. I think it’s more of a pick-any-two sort of affair

    happyfeet (b07c5f)

  166. 163. Thanks to happyfeet, I’ll never eat bean dip again.

    Comment by SPQR — 11/11/2012 @ 3:44 pm

    You see? It takes all kinds.

    There I was thinking I wouldn’t go for the gay porn.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  167. it’s almost as if Barack Obama is just a celebrity figurehead president and somebody else or several unelected somebodies are the ones actually making all the decisions and running the country.

    This realization always makes me wonder why Obama himself doesn’t stand up and demand that his people – Valerie Jarrett – stop infantalizing him and treating him as a precious. Doesn’t his sense of manhood demand that? If not, why not?

    It confuses me.

    Dana (292dcf)

  168. The 9/11 attack on benghazinwas foreseeable, due to escalating attacks, begs for more security, and knowledge of the vulnerability of the embassy, and promises on the day of, to attack.

    If any forces were made ready prior to the attack, they were ordered to stand down.

    The ambassador Stevens was murdered and many other lives would have been lost but for the CiA guys who evacuated others, and those heroes were left for dead despite real-time information about the attack and the availability of help.

    Who said, no security?
    Who said, no help?
    Who said no terrorism or organized al Qaeda attack can be admitted?

    Petraeus might know what happened. Was he kept out of the loop or not obeyed because everyone knew he was out, or at least, compromised? or were any of these failings his doing?
    Why is he resigning befor his scheduled testimony? The situation can’t be anymore dangerous to national security than it was on the 11th, and the security breach importance is even being downplayed.

    Ad which is worse, Obama hiding this for political reasons, or an Obama kept out of the loop about investigation of his appointee , Obama too delicate to be told there is a problem?

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  169. “Is this some kind of joke?”

    Yeah, but you have to be into squirrel humor to get it.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  170. If a Kennedy would have killed this lady, or Frank would have molested a male, no one would be stepping down. Democracy.

    mg (31009b)

  171. Hey, Geek:

    Who’s dumber: Patterico or someone who doesn’t understand the Genetic Fallacy?

    Chuck Bartowski (ad7249)

  172. Dana:

    it’s almost as if Barack Obama is just a celebrity figurehead president and somebody else or several unelected somebodies are the ones actually making all the decisions and running the country.

    This realization always makes me wonder why Obama himself doesn’t stand up and demand that his people – Valerie Jarrett – stop infantalizing him and treating him as a precious. Doesn’t his sense of manhood demand that? If not, why not?

    It confuses me.

    Comment by Dana — 11/11/2012 @ 3:54 pm

    Prom Queen won.

    It doesn’t confuse me. Anymore.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  173. Steve57, well I gave up gay porn for Lent.

    SPQR (768505)

  174. SPQR, that makes two of us.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  175. ==This realization always makes me wonder why Obama himself doesn’t stand up and demand that his people – Valerie Jarrett – stop infantalizing him and treating him as a precious. Doesn’t his sense of manhood demand that? If not, why not?==

    Well this approach does tend to offer him less headaches and more unfettered time to be on the golf course and to schedule pick-up games with his buddies.

    elissa (8c479c)

  176. Because, Arab Spring http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/women-assault-cut-hair-christian-woman-metro

    Not as jaunty as Irish spring.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  177. never seen a movie with been dip as the star.

    mg (31009b)

  178. bean

    mg (31009b)

  179. 179. it’s almost as if Barack Obama is just a celebrity figurehead president and somebody else or several unelected somebodies are the ones actually making all the decisions and running the country.

    This realization always makes me wonder why Obama himself doesn’t stand up and demand that his people – Valerie Jarrett – stop infantalizing him and treating him as a precious. Doesn’t his sense of manhood demand that? If not, why not?

    It confuses me.

    Comment by Dana — 11/11/2012 @ 3:54 pm

    Jaunty. Ever been to Pakistan in May?

    I’m just going to toss out the phrase “rotten Karachi.”

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  180. it’s almost as if Barack Obama is just a celebrity figurehead president and somebody else or several unelected somebodies are the ones actually making all the decisions and running the country.

    I do call him Prom Queen for a reason. I wasn’t just making it up out of whole cloth.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  181. ________________________________________________

    Obama hiding this for political reasons, or an Obama kept out of the loop about investigation of his appointee , Obama too delicate to be told there is a problem?

    I’d be surprised if Obama doesn’t know the complete story and fully what was behind all this. I’d say otherwise if I didn’t believe his politics weren’t so extreme, that his belief system weren’t so intrinsically corrupt (ie, very leftwing, in keeping with the theology of people like Jeremiah Wright).

    The most obvious clue of that is he and his staffers kept promoting the line that an obscure video posted to Youtube somehow inflamed the passions of the poor, sad, downtrodden admirers of Mohammed. And how dare we bigoted, insensitive, intolerant, imperialistic louts of the Western World not be embarrassed and ashamed about that.

    Mark (8087c8)

  182. This story will be in a constant state of flux for some time, it would seem. A trickle out sort.

    Sources tell Fox News the women is 37-year-old Jill Kelley, a close friend of the Petraeus family.

    Kelley alerted the FBI about the emails that appeared to be an attempt to blackmail Petraeus, which started the investigation, said the sources.

    In addition, the threatening emails might not have come from biographer Paula Broadwell, as widely reported.

    Kelley, a Tampa, Fla., resident who is married with three children, and sister Natalie are close friends of the Petraeus’ and spent holidays together. And she was not having an affair with the retired, four-star Army general, sources close to the family tell Fox News.

    Dana (292dcf)

  183. Will the Congress dare question the FBI Director on this matter in Open Session?
    Color me….

    askeptic (2bb434)

  184. Ironically, the WaPo stated that the email threats pointed to Broadwell,

    The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and a Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said.

    However, now Fox News (narcisco’s link), states,

    In addition, the threatening emails might not have come from biographer Paula Broadwell, as widely reported.

    So, now we quite possibly have another person with access to Petraeus’s email account. Curiouser and curiouser…

    Of course the most important question is, if the WaPo’s claim is proven incorrect, will Geek Esq. discount them along with WND as an unreliable and crackpot source????

    Dana (292dcf)

  185. Kelley alerted the FBI about the emails that appeared to be an attempt to blackmail Petraeus, which started the investigation, said the sources.
    In addition, the threatening emails might not have come from biographer Paula Broadwell, as widely reported.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/11/new-details-in-petraeus-scandal-fbi-whistleblower-talked-first-to-house/#ixzz2BxplN3eQ

    Then where did they come from, if not Broadwell?

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  186. And, on top of someone else having access to Petraeus’s email account, they clearly had enough critical information to blackmail him!

    What a breakdown of security on so many levels.

    Dana (292dcf)

  187. Where there were some reports, that Anonymous gained access to a number of accounts, with their Stratfor hack,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  188. ==Then where did they come from, if not Broadwell?==

    Oh, I don’t know. Could it be——–Satan?

    elissa (8c479c)

  189. Broadwell, in the video lecture linked somewhere up,there’d, talks about cyberwarfare a bit. Maybe it was in her mind.

    Btw, take this with a big old chunk of salt, when I looked at her facebook, pals a little, it sure did have a lot of guy Fawkes masks all over the place. I thought I was being silly to notice and didn’t mention it before

    Who else’s would write “stay away from my man” emails? The story went, last version I saw, that Kelley complained to P4 and Broadwell and P4 corresponded. about the alleged harassment.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  190. Broadwell, in the video lecture linked somewhere up,there’d, talks about cyberwarfare a bit. Maybe it was in her mind.

    Btw, take this with a big old chunk of salt, when I looked at her facebook, pals a little, it sure did have a lot of guy Fawkes masks all over the place. I thought I was being silly to notice and didn’t mention it before

    Who else’s would write “stay away from my man” emails? The story went, last version I saw, that Kelley complained to P4 and Broadwell and P4 corresponded. about the alleged harassment.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  191. I suppose the blackmail could have been related to the Broadwell affair – it wasn’t yet public, and perhaps Petraeus hadn’t yet ‘fessed up to his wife. That would be the best case scenario with regard to the possibility of the blackmail being a national security issue.

    Petraeus must testify now. I don’t see how they won’t subpoena him at this point.

    Dana (292dcf)

  192. Is anybody else seeing a high tech lynching of Petraeus?

    nk (875f57)

  193. ==Then where did they come from, if not Broadwell?==

    My vote is for the same mystery person who wrote to the NYT “ethicist”. (And I don’t mean Paula’s real husband because I absolutely do not think it was him who wrote the letter. But I do still think that column was a shot cross the bow and was about Petraeus)

    elissa (8c479c)

  194. Is anybody else seeing a high tech lynching of Petraeus?

    Who, then? And, why?

    Dana (292dcf)

  195. Elissa, I concur.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  196. BTW, I don’t think that a “subpoena” in the usual sense of the word is necessary — it would be in his contract that he would account to the intelligence committees. At least I hope it would be, nothing would surprise me about how the SCOAMF does things.

    nk (875f57)

  197. This examines her claims more fully, would she not have been more aware of cable traffic that debunked this claim;

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/11/all-in-benghazi-edition.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29

    narciso (ee31f1)

  198. Everybody, so far. I don’t know why. Distraction from something a lot dirtier? Benghazi might be the least of it?

    nk (875f57)

  199. Doug Ross has a fuller picture of the relationship between Kelley and Petraus.

    Staffers for Petraeus said Kelley and her husband were regular guests at events he held at Central Command headquarters. A U.S. official said the coalition countries represented at Central Command gave Kelley an appreciation certificate on which she was referred to as an “honorary ambassador” to the coalition, but she has no official status and is not employed by the U.S. government.

    Dana (292dcf)

  200. nk,

    Members of the Senate Intelligence Committee have already excused Petraeus from testifying on the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya, hours after he officially resigned. Wouldn’t he then have to be compelled to do so?

    Dana (292dcf)

  201. I don’t know the protocol, Dana. In either case it would be compulsion, whether contractual or Congressional subpoena power.

    nk (875f57)

  202. Sorry. Can the intelligence comnmittees change their minds? I think they can. Does Petraeus’s contract bind him for as long as he lives (and after as to any memoirs or other writings)? I think it does. Beyond that [imagine face palm and "wadda?"]

    nk (875f57)

  203. There are many questions that come to mind, that Morrell might not have the answers to;

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/11/military-timeline-from-night-benghazi-attack-begs-more-questions/

    narciso (ee31f1)

  204. Too much smoke.

    Interesting that Feinstein is saying it should have been recognized as terrorist the moment mortars or RPG’s used.

    Yes nk, once you start talking computers and the CIA and FBI counterintelligence, all I know is that they can do things I have no clue about.

    So someone in the FBI knew the FBI knew about it and apparently nothing was being done so went to Congress.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  205. I still don’t know why anyone would have excused him, other than to let him stay out of the lime-light to heal his wounds. Unless the assumption is that his deputy knew as much as he did about Benghazi.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  206. It can be that a bone had to be thrown,
    To the very rich and strong,
    bin Laden family in Saudia,
    For the death of a senior son,
    Osama.

    Poor poetry, but conceivable imagination.

    nk (875f57)

  207. Well, that would have been my first guess, MD,specially in light of all that had gone before, the attacks in April and June,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  208. Comment by nk — 11/11/2012 @ 4:44 pm

    A “hi-tech lynching”?
    I think not.

    Just a reminder:
    This ocurred while he was still on active-duty.
    As a retired general officer, he can be recalled to service at any point, and face a Courts-Martial for Adultery.
    It happened to a Division(?) CO in Germany after his retirement.

    askeptic (2bb434)

  209. I suppose Broadwell could be full enough of herself to attempt a Weiner -style “hacked” defense. After all, the stupidity of such a move would kill her future career faster than a braise lapin badge.

    Assuming Broadwell did not send the mail, Kelley must have been selected because it would not be a direct blackmail of Petraeus, but would likely get back to him. This mailer would have to hold Broadwell in the deepest contempt.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  210. It really doesn’t matter what Obama knew or when he knew it. He could have been part of the threesome and it wouldn’t matter. Forward.

    ks1949 (ad6b2e)

  211. This is reaching “dead girl/live boy” territory;
    and it thoroughly stinks!

    askeptic (2bb434)

  212. Comment by narciso — 11/11/2012 @ 5:12 pm

    I just mean it is interesting from the standpoint it is a prominent Dem who is directly confronting the WH version as nonsense.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  213. No disagreement on the law, askeptic. I’d like as much help as you all can on the law as it relates to this, as a matter of fact. Definitely, I am not putting myself out as authority.

    It’s just the way it’s being done! I am at a loss.

    nk (875f57)

  214. True, MD, but that has been Feinstein’s pattern for a while now, I believe she raised some early questions about the narrative.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  215. A Positive?
    Perhaps this will distract DiFi from her obsession about banning Assault Weapons?

    askeptic (2bb434)

  216. No, but she has looked askance, ai some incidents like the blown GID plot, back in May. the official who was angered Prince Mohammed Nayef is now interior minister, and a likely candidate for succession,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  217. Oh. Jill Kelly is hot too.

    Found pictures. Disagree.

    Patterico blindly trusts the word of Birther b.s. artists.

    Here is what I said. I leave it to the reader to decide whether I am “blindly” trusting World Net Daily, and whether, as the ever so honest “Geek, Esq.” suggests, I believe anything WND puts out:

    High comedy from World Net Daily — yet it’s all 100% true (assuming you believe World Net Daily, which I do, in this limited instance, because of the level of detail provided)

    There is an extraordinary level of detail in the WND story. I suppose you could take the position that they simply fabricated all of that. Apparently Geek does. But I’d be willing to bet Geek $1000 that the basics of the story are true: that the name Osama bin Laden was used, and that the credit card was charged. If Geek takes me up on it, I’ll write the author for the proof. Is Geek willing to put his money where his piehole is? Or is he content to choose a cheap way to snark away a story that proves he is full of it?

    Patterico (8b3905)

  218. $1000. Let’s do this.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  219. ___________________________________________

    One of the articles linked above mentions that Petraeus’s wife also works for the Obama administration, for his wonderful, beautiful, heroic new initiative, that being the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. I mean how did we peons survive for decades without such a benevolent section of the federal government?!

    This society in 2012 is so topsy-turvy — so much like bad fiction come to live — that anything is possible. So who knows? Maybe Mrs Petraeus is in on the game, resentful about “angry old white men,” greedy capitalists and uncaring corporations. So she may be secretly plotting against her husband.

    Yea, that’s a dumb theory. Then again, I never in my worst nightmares ever thought we’d witness such a blatantly, stereotypically “goddamn America” president sitting in the White House, at least not before the year 2150. So that in itself is bad fiction come to life.

    Mark (8087c8)

  220. Can someone ‘splain to me how having a piece on the side adds up to your testimony’s on hold?

    I’m having some difficulty with that.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  221. So many confident reports today that the emails led back to Broadwell.

    Aggressively. Weird.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  222. So many confident reports today that the emails led back to Broadwell.

    Aggressively. Weird.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  223. There were events that were under this perview at the time, now they don’t want to acknowledge the intercepts that showed AQIM and AAS taking responsibility, as if that would reveal some secret.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  224. Mrs. p4 is last on the list for non-Broadwell mystery harasser, in my mind.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  225. Mrs. p4 is last on the list for non-Broadwell mystery harasser, in my mind.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  226. 221.$1000. Let’s do this.

    Comment by Patterico — 11/11/2012 @ 5:53 pm

    Why are you engaging Geek, Esq? Who is he that you would even see him on the sidewalk, let along step around him except to avoid getting your shoes dirty?

    nk (875f57)

  227. Have no idea how posts are duplicating

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  228. And I don’t mean dog leavings, I mean the stuff I was coughing up when I was smoking.

    nk (875f57)

  229. Can someone ‘splain to me how having a piece on the side adds up to your testimony’s on hold?

    I read at several sites today that it was put on hold so that he could tend to the obvious devastation at home. I think it’s a sympathy move with a look toward Mrs. Petraeus. Clearly, Petraeus has a mess on his hands, both personally and professionally.

    Of course, to the administration it may be a win-win: a sympathetic and simultaneously convenient reason…

    Dana (292dcf)

  230. “Have no idea how posts are duplicating”

    It’s a new site software feature. If you’re incredibly intelligent, the software detects that and automatically reposts your original post.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  231. Broadwell, I sdk

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  232. Touch pad click, SarahW. Instead of left click. My brother did that to my laptop, too, and I click when I just want to scroll, and Patterico’s “duplicate comment detected” is not fast enough to catch it.

    nk (875f57)

  233. “Have no idea how posts are duplicating”

    It’s a new site software feature. If you’re incredibly intelligent, the software detects that and automatically reposts your original post.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  234. See what I mean?

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  235. If you’re incredibly intelligent, the software detects that and automatically reposts your original post.

    Oh. Crap.

    Dana (292dcf)

  236. So to keep dwelling about Broadwell, would make things better,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  237. Is Geek willing to put his money where his piehole is? $1000. Let’s do this.

    When you win, just make sure he doesn’t pay with a credit card.

    Dana (292dcf)

  238. Since events have resembled ‘Atlas Shrugged’ in so many other ways, recall the Taggart/Reardon relationship,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  239. Dave- sounds legit.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  240. “…recall the Taggart/Reardon relationship”

    I always wanted to smack their heads together, just to get them to shut the hell up.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  241. Well there is that, but that’s not where I’m pointing to.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  242. Narciso- uou said: There were events that were under this perview at the time, now they don’t want to acknowledge the intercepts that showed AQIM and AAS taking responsibility, as if that would reveal some secret.

    Ant speculations about what that feared reveal could be about?

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  243. Narciso- uou said: There were events that were under this perview at the time, now they don’t want to acknowledge the intercepts that showed AQIM and AAS taking responsibility, as if that would reveal some secret.

    Ant speculations about what that feared reveal could be about?

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  244. Dang it,, I can not control my ipad.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  245. It has become ‘selfaware’ like Skynetm SarahW.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  246. secret prison

    elissa (8c479c)

  247. I have no clue about Apple products, SarahW, but do you have a Settings thingie where you can adjust touch?

    nk (875f57)

  248. “I have no clue about Apple products”

    So…you’re an Apple designer?

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  249. $500.00 for the Toshiba, $850.00 for the iPad. $igh.

    nk (875f57)

  250. Good one, Dave.

    And we have just derailed this thread.Apple fans are more vicious than Obamabots.

    nk (875f57)

  251. I don’t think Bronco Bama’s second term is gonna be all that fun. Kinda like Bubba’s and Bush’s.

    Dirty Old Man (dc479b)

  252. I heart Apple. They work for me.

    JD (318f81)

  253. Me keep quiet as mouse, JD.

    nk (875f57)

  254. I love my appley things. Thumb typing, the still-in-denial phase of presbyopia and auto-correct lead to shame sometimes, though. Not sure why I get double-posts some times, and other times not, and only on the ipad. My touch settings are the default.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  255. My touch settings are the default.

    Well, can you adjust them? That’s what I told you before.

    (No offense. I’ve been told that I could never be a good shot because my hand is too heavy, myself.)

    And does it really matter whether you adopt it to you or you adopt you to it?

    nk (875f57)

  256. And another Petraeus thread petering out.

    nk (875f57)

  257. BTW,

    Thank you, to our veterans.

    nk (875f57)

  258. ” I still want to know when Obama knew about this affair.:”

    Eric Cantor knew about it and he didn’t talk blab. Why not ask him?
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/11/david-petraeus-paula-broadwell-were-politics-involved.html?mbid=social_retweet

    Anyway… Who killed Vince Foster??!!

    sleeeepy (b5f718)

  259. Is slurpy wasted again?

    JD (318f81)

  260. This realization always makes me wonder why Obama himself doesn’t stand up and demand that his people – Valerie Jarrett – stop infantalizing him and treating him as a precious. Doesn’t his sense of manhood demand that? If not, why not?

    It confuses me.

    Comment by Dana — 11/11/2012 @ 3:54 pm

    Because has has both mommy and daddy issues. Remember his ‘real’ father ran off and deserted him and Ann. And he says that his grandmom mostly raised him. So he looks for strong female companions to tell him what to do and to be his “mother-figure”. That is why he still acts like a petulant little boy.

    peedoffamerican (204ab7)

  261. Mayer, who bought the entire Levick Group/CCR press kit, about Gitmo, including Mohammed Quahtani, who led us to the courier,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  262. I think it might happen if I have more than one patterico tab.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  263. Is slurpy wasted again?

    Comment by JD — 11/11/2012 @ 8:14 pm

    When is he sober, JD?

    peedoffamerican (204ab7)

  264. Wait, guys, I am sipping on a pint of Jim Beam. Please do not insult the booze by ass o ciating it with slurpy.

    nk (875f57)

  265. Deliberate attempt to double post in progress

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  266. Can’t make it happen.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  267. Anyway… Who killed Vince Foster??!!

    Comment by sleeeepy — 11/11/2012 @ 8:13 pm

    263.Hillary.

    Comment by nk — 11/11/2012 @ 8:14 pm

    A minimal police investigation would give motive, means, and opportunity. Enough to have her bound over for bail and grand jury.

    nk (875f57)

  268. Jim Beam is a serious insult to Wild Turkey drinkers everywhere!

    peedoffamerican (204ab7)

  269. Not you, poa, slurpy.

    I like whiskeys that start with “J”. Jim, Jack, Johnney.

    nk (875f57)

  270. Alright, one more time.

    I have nothing against Wild Turkey. I mostly favor a good Tennessee sour mash, but sometimes I want a decent enough Kentucky bourbon, or rarely a Scotch blend.

    nk (875f57)

  271. Ever drink ‘Block and Tackle’ whiskey?

    peedoffamerican (204ab7)

  272. I have nothing against Wild Turkey. I mostly favor a good Tennessee sour mash, but sometimes I want a decent enough Kentucky bourbon, or rarely a Scotch blend.

    Comment by nk — 11/11/2012 @ 8:46 pm

    I hope you have the sense to know one of your previous comments wasn’t called for.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  273. Comment by sleeeepy — 11/11/2012 @ 8:13 pm
    ” I still want to know when Obama knew about this affair.:”
    Eric Cantor knew about it and he didn’t talk blab. Why not ask him?

    – Because Eric Cantor didn’t use this knowledge as a means of forcing Petraeus out at a time that was optimal for the administration. Gee, I wonder who did?

    Anyway… Who killed Vince Foster??!!
    – That’s right. If there’s no proof that Barack Obama was involved, then Barack Obama was not involved. Sort of a “If a tree falls in the forest, does the president hear it on the 14th tee?” type of deal; eh?

    Icy (3d360d)

  274. Sorry, nk, wasn’t you.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  275. “Eric Cantor knew about it and he didn’t talk blab. Why not ask him?”

    Translation from Leftoidese:

    Be vewy, vewy quiet. I’m hunting squiwewls.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  276. SQUIRREL HUNT!

    Boing boing has an interesting account of te sequence of events leading to examination of the stalker mail and its connections to discovery of and monitoring of accounts used by P4 and Broadwell. They seem to have used gmail metadata to accomplish this, and traced about a half- dozen accusatory anonymous emails sent from places Broadwell was staying, as well as to link this account to her personal email.
    Howev,as Boing Boing snips from WSJ, (bold added by me)
    :

    The precise nature of Ms. Kelley’s relationships with Ms. Broadwell and Mr. Petraeus, who ran the Tampa-based U.S. Central Command from 2008 to 2010, weren’t known Sunday. Attempts to reach Ms. Broadwell and Ms. Kelley were unsuccessful. Neither had given a public statement as of Sunday evening. Ms. Kelley didn’t know who sent the emails. Some appeared to be accusing her of an inappropriate relationship but didn’t name Mr. Petraeus. Agents determined the emails were sent from an account shared by Ms. Broadwell and her husband, who live in North Carolina, the officials said.

    But the agents spent weeks piecing together who may have sent them. They used metadata footprints left by the emails to determine what locations they were sent from. They matched the places, including hotels, where Ms. Broadwell was during the times the emails were sent. FBI agents and federal prosecutors used the information as probable cause to seek a warrant to monitor Ms. Broadwell’s email accounts.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  277. 113, Sammy:

    13. @Gary Gulrud – I think you meant Ted Stevens.

    No, he didn’t. Why would he? The context is a comparison to Vince Foster; how does Ted Stevens come in? The reference was obviously to Donald Young, and his murder by person or persons unknown. I’d like to know more about that too, but the problem with linking it to 0bama is that if that were true then why is Larry St Clair still alive?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  278. Comment by SarahW — 11/11/2012 @ 6:50 am

    The wording of his resignation minimizes his reason for resigning, and is strange in its specificity, especially when one considers the esteem with which his wife is held and the work she has done, and the humiliation specificity brings to her.

    Petraeus was not going to lie about his reason for resigning, or perhaps conceal it, but it would be interesting to know if he was encouraged by anyone to do so. (that would have the effect of people not even realizing there was a possibility of a plot to oust him.)

    It’s clearly meant to distract from a more serious issue of security breach, and to prevent speculation damaging to Obama.

    Sammy Finkelman (d2951c)

  279. Comment by Mark — 11/11/2012 @ 5:56 pm

    So that in itself is bad fiction come to life.

    In fiction, if you want a story involving a president of the United States that takes place only a few years in the future, you always have the president come out of practically nowhere. (because you don’t want to name any current politicians, unless the story is also about them)

    Sammy Finkelman (d2951c)

  280. Comment by Sarahw — 11/11/2012 @ 5:59 pm

    So many confident reports today that the emails led back to Broadwell.

    Aggressively. Weird.

    Because it’s probably not true – that is, it’s probably not true that she actually sent them.

    It is still not confirmed that she sent even one of them.

    Jill Kelley originally complained because she was getting anonymous e-mails, which probably didn’t say what it was all about.

    Her computer was searched. Was the e-mail spoofed? I wouldn’t expect that to leak.

    Then they discover on her computer, something, probably a classified document. Maybe also something that somebody decides to interpret as evidence of corruption. They get a national security warrant top intercept Petreaus’ e-mail (only the GMail account, or also his top secret e-mail?)

    Then in late October they go to Petraeus and ask for permission to search his e-mail, even though they already know.

    The difference is, if they has his permission, it can legally be disclosed even without any legal proceedings . The e-mails are reviewed by a “clean” group of FBI agents, who rediscover the adultery.

    On Election day someone calls yet another FBI agents, and tells him to contact Clapper with advice to give to Petraeus.

    A whole “intervention” in fact is staged on a day (or two days) when Obama is preoccupied with other things.

    Sammy Finkelman (d2951c)

  281. Unbelievable. For thirteen years we heard from the blammmmmmmmmmmme buuuuuush crowd and now, obominable can crap on the floor and the left talks about what a work of art it is. Not very convincingly I might add.

    Joe (035d7d)

  282. Yes, the stalky mails are from spring if that doesn’t change again too.

    Apparently Broadwell turned over her laptop on questioning, and they found classified documents on that laptop.

    I can’t determine that they ever ascertained where the documents were obtained, and their acceptance of her claim they did not come from Petraeus seems to be accepted on the basis that Petraeus also said they did not come from him.

    Both of them were hooked up to polygraphs so perhaps that is all they needed; I don’t know what they have or why the claims of both satisfied them.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  283. The mails were sent from an account used by Broadwell (if the above snip from WSJ used by Boing Boing is correct, her husband shared this account) from places she was actually staying.

    Unless some elaborate spook scheme (foreign or domestic) of trailing her about so that they could make it seem as though she was sending emails she wasn’t sending, she does seem the occams razor candidate.

    If her husband was not there with her, it would seem to rule him out, but I don’t know where he was.

    If Petraeus was with her, he would have to be one sick, sad drunk puppy to send mails from Broadmoor’s account fantasizing about a flirty Khawam-Kelley. This seems virtually impossible.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  284. http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/12/did-petraeus-mistriss-reveal-classfied-info-the-latest-from-fncs-jennifer-griffin-and-adam-housley/

    News to me:

    Congressional leaders say privately they believe they were lied to by Petraeus when he testified shortly after the attack. Some of these members already considered charging Petraeus with perjury, but said they planned to withhold judgment until he testified this week.

    Fox is calling this the key question:

    Did the CIA annex have Libyan militia members prisoners? and prisoners from other countries? (CIA denies, Fox has multiple sources)and is that the reason for the attack?

    SarahW (b0e533)

  285. I blame Saudi disinformation.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  286. Did the CIA annex have Libyan militia members prisoners?

    I read relatively early on that there were 3 CIA prisoners who did not accompany them out of benghazi, but it wasn’t clear if they had been held previously or were 3 captured during the battle. On the surface it looked like, “hey, we’ve caught 3 of the people involved”- “look, we gotta get out of here, let them go and c’mon!”

    But who knows. anyway, this was before any mention of it by broadwell, I think.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  287. We’re idiots. Petraeus had a lot more serious enemies and rivals, than Broadwell, and we are being fed a lot of nonsense.

    If you want to cherchez la femme, look for Hillary and Valerie, just speculating.

    nk (875f57)

  288. Petraeus had a lot more serious enemies and rivals, than Broadwell,

    Does that not read like something Ian Fleming might have wrote?

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  289. Despite what seems to be an obvious case of smitten kitten with Broadwell, she does have black ops on her resume and is said to have had big career ambitions for the future (wanted appointment as national security advisor.) I’ve entertained the thought she might be a spook herself.

    Where did the classified docs come from?

    Seems more likely to me, though, that she enjoys being in the sweet elite, privy to “sources and methods” the rubes never hear about, and the affair was less spy honeytrap than personally concocted one – one she could leverage into the career of her dreams.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  290. MD, I had thought she might just have been confused about early reports of prisoners having been taken during the fighting at the consulate, and later released from the annex when the fighting began there.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  291. But maybe they did have a few prisoners taken that had not yet been moved that prompted the whole shebang.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  292. Look for Broadwell to be stashed at Fannie or Freddie as a reward.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  293. FBI Suppressed Petraeus Scandal to Protect President.

    FBI agents investigating CIA Director David Petraeus’s affair were shocked when told by bureau officials that despite the national security implications, no action would be taken on their findings until after the presidential election: Only then would President Obama ask for Petraeus’ resignation.

    The White House claims President Obama and his national security advisors were first informed of the Petraeus’ affair on Thursday, two days after the election.

    But the official timeline strains credulity. Senior FBI officials suppressed disclosure of the highly sensitive case, apparently to avoid embarrassment to Obama during his re-election campaign.

    The veteran agent related to me that FBI agents assigned to the case were outraged by what were they were told by senior officials: The FBI was going to hold in limbo their findings until after the election.

    “The decision was made to delay the resignation apparently to avoid potential embarrassment to the president before the election,” an FBI source told me. “To leave him in such a sensitive position where he was vulnerable to potential blackmail for months compromised our security and is inexcusable.”

    Dana (292dcf)

  294. Most corrupt President in my lifetime.

    SPQR (768505)

  295. I’m still willing to think Broadwell is the cage of squirrels on many levels.

    Boing Boing quoted some talk she gave about lady leadership and I had a giggity about one source of her madskillz “A book that captures this phenomenon [attraction through "making people feel good"] is Celestine Prophesy.”

    SarahW (b0e533)

  296. The veteran agent related to me that FBI agents assigned to the case were outraged by what were they were told by senior officials: The FBI was going to hold in limbo their findings until after the election.

    Was this decision made and contained within the FBI and/or was the administration informed of it? If so, exactly who was told and made part of the decision making?

    Whether Petraeus scandal or Benghazi, my question is, what and when did the President know?

    Dana (292dcf)

  297. 257. Comment by Sarahw — 11/11/2012 @ 7:47 pm

    I love my appley things. Thumb typing, the still-in-denial phase of presbyopia and auto-correct lead to shame sometimes, though. Not sure why I get double-posts some times, and other times not, and only on the ipad. My touch settings are the default.

    What we need to get are voice controls, perhaps supplemented by a 6 to ten buttons or a dial.

    Touch commands are ridiculous.

    Sammy Finkelman (6010d0)

  298. Anything is possible.

    Broadwell’s father Paul Kranz, a retired high school basketball coach, suggested that the explosive revelations that led to Petraeus resigning as CIA director, have been used to cover up a bigger scandal.

    Dana (292dcf)

  299. Comment by MD in Philly — 11/12/2012 @ 6:54 a

    I read relatively early on that there were 3 CIA prisoners who did not accompany them out of benghazi, but it wasn’t clear if they had been held previously or were 3 captured during the battle.

    I think some news report assumed they were captured during the battle, but that didn’t seem consistent with the accounts of the battle (there was never hand to hand combat, and they would more likely have killed anyone than captured anyone – nor would such prisoners be very important.

    My vote is that they were prisoners held for some time because of some kind of connection with Al Qaeda or similar group (I didn’t know the United States even still took prisoners under Obama! Thats good news) possibly because of suspicions of being involved with smuggling out missiles from Libya.

    Holding them was not legal, except maybe under a war doctrine, but the people holding them had diplomatic immunity.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  300. SF:3. @Gary Gulrud – I think you meant Ted Stevens.

    No, he didn’t. Why would he? The context is a comparison to Vince Foster; how does Ted Stevens come in?

    They both died.

    Is Don Young also dead?

    It doesn’t appear so:

    Down Ballot Races Provide Much of Season’s Election Theater – New York Times August 9, 2012

    In the fight over an open Senate seat in Hawaii, Representative Don Young of Alaska, a conservative Republican, starred in an advertisement for the Democrat in the race, Representative Mazie Hirono, in which he praises her for bipartisanship (and playfully tries to speak ill of Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the Democratic leader).

    This is the last mention of Don Young in the New York Times/

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  301. Rush:

    I am old enough to remember when an affair between a very powerful official and a young woman was no big deal.

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  302. AZ Bob,

    Referring to Clinton? If so, he’s right – no big deal, no risk of national security, no risk of being blackmailed… how dare the public be concerned…

    Dana (292dcf)

  303. 50. Comment by SarahW — 11/11/2012 @ 8:47 am

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/11/military-timeline-from-night-benghazi-attack-begs-more-questions/

    There is no contradiction here with other accounts. It merely fleshes thing out a little bit. (The drone was diverted, at 9:59 (from other sources we know it arrived over the consulate at 11:11. Does that sound right?)

    The supposed problem of there being a continuous firefight is not a contradiction to the claim of there being two separate incidents. There were two: one at the mission and one at the annex.

    But the annex was not actually one single attack.
    What I got from my reading was an impression of several different attacks at the annex with long pauses between them. The last pause between attacks may have been one of several hours.

    All but the last attack might perhaps be considered not very serious. That attack, which killed Woods and Doherty, was much stronger than the others and came very late and seems to have caused the people at the airport to finally come over.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  304. Comment by SarahW — 11/12/2012 @ 7:26 am

    Where did the classified docs come from?

    Maybe from someone who wanted to oust Petraeus as director.

    Of course we don’t know if there was anything unusual about this document being on her computer.

    This looks like it was used as a lever to get into Petraeus’ GMail account and confirm the affair.

    (Although they were also suspecting him of sending the bad emails to Jill Kelley. And before that they had the angle that maybe someone was posing as him to send the explicit e-mails to Paula Broadwell.)

    It was in late summer that Criminal Division of the Justice Department’s “Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section” began working on this. All this from today’s New York Times.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  305. SF:3. @Gary Gulrud – I think you meant Ted Stevens.

    No, he didn’t. Why would he? The context is a comparison to Vince Foster; how does Ted Stevens come in?

    They both died.

    Is Don Young also dead?

    It doesn’t appear so:

    Oh, good grief. Why is your mind even going to Alaska? Nobody said anything about Alaska. Lots of people have died; what similarity do you see between the lives or deaths of Vince Foster and Ted Stevens? GG said Donald Young; the parallel to Vince Foster is pretty obvious.

    And FTR I don’t believe the conspiracy theories about either one; but I’m aware of them. I never understood what foundation there was for the rumour that Hillary had Foster murdered; what exactly was unexplained by the official story that he killed himself? Occam’s razor says that story is true. Is there evidence that the body was moved? OK, so it was moved. How does that negate a suicide? On the contrary, if they were going to kill him and make it look like a suicide, surely the easiest thing would be to do it where they meant to leave him. It’s only if they unexpectedly found him dead in a place they didn’t want the cops to search, that the whole moving-the-body scenario makes sense. And if Donald Young’s murder was political then why is Larry St Clair still alive?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  306. Paula Broadwell had Top Secret clearance, by the way.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  307. More stuff I was just reading in the WSJ…

    “…By late summer, after the monitoring of Ms. Broadwell’s emails uncovered the link to Mr. Petraeus, prosecutors and agents alerted senior officials at FBI and the Justice Department, including Mr. Holder, U.S. officials say.”

    Everybody knows about it…except Petraeus’ boss, the New Messiah.

    “The investigators never monitored Mr. Petraeus’s email accounts, the officials say…”

    Wow! Brilliant move.

    “…Top officials signed off on the interviews, which occurred in late September and October, just before the U.S. presidential election. During Ms. Broadwell’s first interview in September, she admitted to the affair and turned over her computer, the officials said.

    On her computer, investigators found classified documents, the U.S. officials said, a discovery that raised new concerns.”

    Classified documents? How interesting.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324073504578113460852395852.html

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  308. Some people just don’t get it.

    The collapse of the impressive career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails…

    No, it was “triggered” when he had the affair.

    John T (64eb1f)

  309. It is interesting how AG Holder is in the middle of so many of these scandals.

    JD (318f81)

  310. 315.Comment by Dave Surls — 11/12/2012 @ 12:06 pm

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324073504578113460852395852.html

    That’s today’s Wall Street Journal. I hadn’t thoroughly read that article yet.

    Everybody knows about it…except Petraeus’ boss, the New Messiah.

    That article gives a reason why Eric Holder, didn’t or wouldn’t or shouldn’t have told President Obama about this:

    However, U.S. officials briefed on the matter said the probe was closely held among officials at the FBI and Justice under a long-standing policy not to divulge information on continuing criminal investigations.

    The disclosure policy was reinforced in a 2007 memorandum by Michael Mukasey, who was then attorney general under President George W. Bush. The memorandum, issued in the wake of the scandal over the firings of U.S. attorneys, sought to remind department employees that contacts with the White House and Congress about pending criminal matters were off limits.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  311. “The disclosure policy was reinforced in a 2007 memorandum by Michael Mukasey, who was then attorney general under President George W. Bush. The memorandum, issued in the wake of the scandal over the firings of U.S. attorneys, sought to remind department employees that contacts with the White House and Congress about pending criminal matters were off limits.”

    It’s not their job to contact the White House. They pass it up to the line to the Attorney General, and he tells the White House, if it’s important enough (like in the case of a dirty CIA chief).

    Which, I can pretty much guaranttee Holder did.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  312. The more that comes out–even when taken with a grain of salt–suggests many in the FBI were furious, incredulous, gobsmocked, frantic that this breach was known and being allowed to go on for months. Nobody was doing anything about it. Finally, whistleblowers took it offline to Eric Cantor because they were getting no results and only stalling from the top levels of the other side of the aisle. This is truly disturbing. Steps must be taken to remove AG Holder from his office should he not resign in the next month or so.

    elissa (5e610d)

  313. I think this applies also to the Attorney General.

    There’s a principle that a president should not interfere with a criminal investigation. Nixon didn’t, although I think he discussed something with Henry Peterson. But since that time I think some more rules have been laid in place.

    Maybe there can be some discussion, but it’s a delicate line.

    A better question is why when this was all over, did anyone in the DOJ feel free to contact anyone about the adultery.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  314. ==They pass it up to the line to the Attorney General, and he tells the White House, if it’s important enough (like in the case of a dirty CIA chief).
    Which, I can pretty much guaranttee Holder did==

    Holder is supposedly the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. He has an obligation to the country. His job description is not just to do the president’s or Valerie’s bidding at all costs.
    Holder had options which he was apparently too spineless to use. He needed to go over F&F. Now, he really needs to go.

    elissa (5e610d)

  315. No, Sammy, he told the FBI director, Gray to hold off, because it concerned national security, not nearly the same thing.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  316. Of course Holder told Obama. Why are they lying about it?

    Fox walked back on the “maybe Broadwell didn’t sent the (stalky) emails.

    As in the Boing Boing piece discussing the FBI’s use of gmail meta-data to place and identify the sender (and other accounts) they now have the story straight that Broadwell used dummy accounts to send anonymous emails to Kelley, traced back always to Broadwell’s location (Hotels, other places).

    I wonder how Petraeus’ stomach dropped when Kelley brought this to Petraeus’ attention.

    FBI? sources say Petraeus did discuss the mail threats with Broadwell.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  317. Petraeus Eyes Presidency of Princeton, Article Says – New York Times, Friday, Sept. 28, 2012 page A21

    …In response, the C.I.A. director issued a noncommittal statement that did not deny an interest.

    “I think I’ve made my respect and admiration for the great faculty and student body of Princeton University very clear, and I will reiterate that now,” his statement said. “As it currently stands, however, I am living the dream here at C.I.A.”

    Daily Princetonian Sept. 27, 2012

    Petraeus, who has been an active University alumnus and who returned to campus as recently as this past spring, has publicly voiced interest in the Princeton presidency in the past, but seemingly as a joke used to deflect questions regarding his interest in the presidency of the United States. But sources close with Petraeus, who declined to comment at length for this article, indicate that his interest in University leadership is very real and that he is actively considering leading Nassau Hall.

    It seems like some people were trying to push Petreaus out already in September.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  318. Comment by elissa — 11/12/2012 @ 12:40 pm

    Finally, whistleblowers took it offline to Eric Cantor because they were getting no results

    It was nt really a whistleblower. The information came from Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash)

    He says he learned about it from a friend who knows Kelley, and it would seem from this that Kelley’s complaint was that they were doing nothing about her case, and Kelley may have persuaded a local FBI agent to talk to Cantor.

    After that Cantor put Kelley in contact with high-ups at the FBI, including FBI Director Mueller, but the case was already proceeding faster, maybe.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  319. Comment by narciso — 11/12/2012 @ 12:52 pm

    No, Sammy, he told the FBI director, Gray to hold off, because it concerned national security, not nearly the same thing.

    No, no. He told the FBI’s acting director, L. Patrick Gray, to go full speed ahead on July 6, 1972, and that was the only time he spoke personally to him.

    Before that, on June 23, he had been manipulated by John Dean, who falsely claimed John Ehrlichman concurred with him on this, into trying to hide the already known fact that there was connection to his Re-Election Committee. That wasn’t the thing John Dean wanted to cover up.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  320. It should be interesting have Mueller and Holder sitting at the same table before the Intel Cmte.
    Mueller is asked when did he relay this info to the AG, and then the AG is asked when he relayed it to the Oval Office; and if not, why not.
    Will they have enough A/C on The Hill to keep these two from sweating?

    askeptic (b8ab92)

  321. John Dean had arranged that the CIA should tell the FBI something would be exposed if they followed the money trail thruogh Mexico (which would lead back to CREEP)

    This attempt to stall the investigation actually went nowhere.

    Nixon had given up trying to hide anything by the end of the month of June, 1972.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  322. All I can say is thank the lord the R’s kept one house of congress. Cover ups are much easier to manage within one party government.

    elissa (5e610d)

  323. Timeline Shows F.B.I. Discovered Affair in Summer – Top headline of the main front page article in the New York Times of Monday, November 12, 2012

    Paragraph 7 of 32 (on page A8)

    A close friend of the Petraeus family said Sunday that the intimate relationship between Mr. Petraeus and his biographer, Paula Broadwell, began after he retired from the military last year and about two months after he started as C.I.A. director. It ended about four months ago, said the friend, who did not want to be identified while discussing personal matters. In a letter to the C.I.A. work force on Friday, Mr. Petraeus acknowledged having the affair. Ms. Broadwell has not responded to repeated requests for comment.

    This would mean it became something other than platonic around November, 2011, and ended sometime around late June or July. The emails complained about, or the first ones, anyway, were sent in May. (The Wall Street Journal, which gives an end date of “more than four months ago” says that Petraeus stayed in contact with her after that, in connection she was doing about innovation in the 101st Airborne in Northern Iraq in 2003, which Petreaus then commanded) ABC News also gives a post-start of CIA job beginning.

    The New York Times also says the e-mails accused her of of inappropriate flirtatious behavior with Mr. Petraeus. The Wall Street Journal says some of the e-mails appeared to be accusing her of an inappropriate relationship but didn’t name Mr. Petraeus. The New York Daily News says the emails were warning the stunning Tampa socialite to “stay away from” the spymaster The New York Post says The nature of the e-mails…was “I know what you are doing” and similar suggestions that someone was on to Kelley. There was no explicit threat of violence.

    The New York Times says Jill Kelley complained to an F.B.I. agent who is also a personal friend. That agent, who has not been identified, helped get a preliminary inquiry started. I think that’s probably the same FBI Agent who later, in October, went to Dave Reichert, and through him, Eric Cantor. The New York Post says she initially approached a Florida field office of the FBI

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  324. 306. The Daily Mail was following up on a New York Daily News story.

    Paula Broadwell’s father,Paul Krantz is quoted as saying This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out and There is a lot more that is going to come out but that he’s not allowed to elaborate and You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye. and that he supports his daughter 100% and I stand by my daughter. She’s an exceptional person. and that she and her family are doing well, considering.

    The Daily News also contacted the parents and grandparents of other principals, but didn’t get too much out of them, other than the fact that Broadwell’s husband’s extended family were all shellshocked.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  325. Andrea Mitchell on NBC Nightly News says the affair lasted ten months.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  326. David Petraeus’ trip the week before the election was also to Libya. he met with the CIA station chief. The Committee wants to see histrip report.

    FBI claims obligation to inform committees is only for intelligence maters, not an affair.

    FBI claims Clapper was told of this, with no recommendations, and only because it was a personnel matter.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  327. NBC says Paula Broadwell was interviewed in September and confirmed the affair, but the New York Times had claimed this morning it was “the week of October 21″

    That was one week before Petraus was interviewed and confirmed the affair, although some accounts would have placed it the week before since it said “two weeks ago”

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  328. Tucked away in a WaPo story…

    “Broadwell, a former Harvard University researcher who focused her dissertation on Petraeus’s military career, hired longtime Washington criminal defense attorney Robert F. Muse, the lawyer said Monday.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/petraeus-told-biographer-to-stop-harassing-family-friend-officials-say/2012/11/12/6ccb325c-2d00-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

    Interesting.

    I can hardly wait to see what happens next.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  329. A significant figure in his own right

    http://www.steinmitchell.com/lawyer-attorney-1620470.html

    narciso (ee31f1)

  330. Sammy’s definition of what a whistleblower is is apparently different than mine!

    The FBI agent in Tampa had been taken off the investigation by that time. He was frustrated by the investigation’s apparent lack of progress, according to the person close to Kelley.

    But the agent recently got in touch with the Washington office of Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.) to express concern. Reichert then contacted Rep. Eric Cantor (Va.), the House Republican leader.

    “I was contacted by an F.B.I. employee concerned that sensitive, classified information may have been compromised and made certain Director Mueller was aware of these serious allegations and the potential risk to our national security,” Cantor said in a statement issued Saturday. He referred to FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III

    elissa (deba82)

  331. __________________________________________

    petraeus-told-biographer-to-stop-harassing-family-friend-officials-say

    So that seems to verify that Broadwell, in fact, did sent the emails to Kelly. If so, then Broadwell comes off like a teenybopper loon if she didn’t have any specific, direct, clear-cut reason to believe that Petraeus was cheating with Kelly. Even if she was, Broadwell still ends up looking like a “Fatal Attraction” fruit loop.

    That’s why I thought there actually was a third party involved, possibly someone trying to frame Petraeus and Broadwell. And that person may have even been responsible for the “Dear Abby” letter to the New York Times. Or a Q-and-A sop that seemed too hokey — too close to real life — to to be merely coincidental. Too much in keeping with the notion of a leftwing newspaper wanting to curry favor with a liberal insider promoting a hidden agenda.

    Mark (5bf7b1)

  332. This part I missed;

    Broadwell’s affair with Petraeus was likely known to Holly Petraeus, according to family friends. The FBI reportedly knew about it months beforehand and White House Counterterrorism adviser John Brennan reportedly was aware that there was a relationship as early as the summer of 2011.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/12/petraeus-mistress-may-have-revealed-classified-information-at-denver-speech/#ixzz2C3qrJQRl

    narciso (ee31f1)

  333. Aggressively. Weirder.

    he FBI agent who started the case was a friend of Jill Kelley, the Tampa woman who received harassing, anonymous emails that led to the probe, according to officials. Ms. Kelley, a volunteer who organizes social events for military personnel in the Tampa area, complained in May about the emails to a friend who is an FBI agent. That agent referred it to a cyber crimes unit, which opened an investigation.

    However, supervisors soon became concerned that the initial agent might have grown obsessed with the matter, and prohibited him from any role in the investigation, according to the officials.

    The FBI officials found that he had sent shirtless pictures of himself to Ms. Kelley, according to the people familiar with the probe.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  334. Comment by elissa — 11/12/2012 @ 4:45 pm

    Sammy’s definition of what a whistleblower is is apparently different than mine!

    I didn’t have that he was taken off the investigation.

    So we have two things maybe he knew: That no progress was being made on investigating the mysterious e-mails sent to Jill Kelley, which was his main interest, and possibly of more interest to others, that some leaks of classified information had taken place. (I interpret it that way)

    But the thing is, he wasn’t really a whistleblower. That doesn’t explain him. He knew Jill Kelley, and except for the fact this concerned Jill Kelley, he never would have contacted anybody.

    His motivation was not blowing the whistle – it was getting some help for Jill Kelley.

    He also knew Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.) who had been sheriff of King County before being elected to Congress in 2004.

    (Reichert was known for capturing the “Green River Killer” after working on the case for 20 years, including many years before 1997 when he was merely a policeman, and appeared on national TV and wrote a book about and had been actively recruited by national Republicans to run. Reichert apparently had law enforcement contacts.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  335. petraeus-told-biographer-to-stop-harassing-family-friend-officials-say

    Mark: So that seems to verify that Broadwell, in fact, did sent the emails to Kelly

    No, at would only tend to confirm that Petreaeus believed that at some point.

    There are possible questions:

    1) Did somebody try to get her to be jealous of Jill Kelley, and possibly even lie about Jill Kelley to Paula Broadwell?

    2) Did she send ALL the emails?

    3) How good is the proof she sent any? Was any confirmation ever obtained by looking at her e-mail account(s) or computer? If not, should any verification have been expected, or no?

    4) and what explains this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/12/us/us-officials-say-petraeuss-affair-known-in-summer.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&&pagewanted=all

    Eventually they identified Ms. Broadwell as a prime suspect and obtained access to her regular e-mail account. In its in-box, they discovered intimate and sexually explicit e-mails from another account that also was not immediately identifiable. Investigators eventually ascertained that it belonged to Mr. Petraeus and studied the possibility that someone had hacked into Mr. Petraeus’s account or was posing as him to send the explicit messages.

    Eventually they determined that Mr. Petraeus had indeed sent the messages to Ms. Broadwell and concluded that the two had had an affair. Then they turned their scrutiny on him, examining whether he knew about or was involved in sending the harassing e-mails to Ms. Kelley.

    So, after examining her computer,they decide that she didn’t the emails, and then investigate the crazy possibility that David Petraeaus did!!

    That means, they assume her e-mail address has been spoofed by someone who knew in what hotel she was staying.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  336. * she didn’t send the e-mails. Or maybe not the worst ones

    Something’s peculiar. They trace the e-mails to her, examine her computer, find out about the messages between her and David Petreaus, and then start investigating who really sent the e-mails??

    Suspecting, of all people, David Petraeus?

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  337. Just seen on twitter this minute, Nov 12:

    Dianne Gallagher ‏@DianneG

    Roughly a dozen FBI agents inside Paula Broadwell’s home now. Her neighbours say she’s been emailing from ‘undisclosed location’ w/ family
    Retweeted by John C.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  338. Broadwell has been encouraging neighbors via emails from undisclosed location, according to the same tweeter, to “tell her side” to press.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  339. narciso that is adding weird to strange. Soon there will be no one left with any credibility at all.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  340. So what’s her side? Somebody lied to her to get jealous? Somebody spoofed her e-mail, even down to making it look like it was coming from the hotel(s) where she was staying?

    She wants other people to talk because anything they say cannot be used against her in a court of law, because it would be hearsay. (best of course is a person immune from being questioned about she told them, such as a spouse or a lawyer)

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  341. Well “they” certainly have managed to move the discussion and attention away from Katrina on the Hudson, Benghazi, the fiscal cliff and election irregularities. And we just can’t help ourselves. We follow like lambs. A Sex scandal’ll do it every time. The Kardashians must be absolutely beside themselves.

    elissa (deba82)

  342. We’re seeing spookdom in action in real time, I think. But whose?

    elissa (deba82)

  343. Well if this were the Cold War era, KGB, nowadays,
    Vevak or Saudi intelligence, (sorry the only way this story could get stranger)

    narciso (ee31f1)

  344. Popehat cracked me up with a joke about the DEA sending out mixtapes

    SarahW (b0e533)

  345. Finally saw it confirmed that at least one account used by P4 and B. was a shared gmail account; they used the draft section as a drop box. Everybody does that.

    SUPERSPIES

    SarahW (b0e533)

  346. Some of those sooper-spook SOURCES AND METHODS

    SarahW (b0e533)

  347. “New details about how the Federal Bureau of Investigation handled the case suggest that even as the bureau delved into Mr. Petraeus’s personal life, the agency had to address questionable conduct by one of its own—including allegedly sending shirtless photos of himself to a woman involved in the case.”

    Geez, every man on the planet should have learned from Weiner that sending any sort of pic like that only results in a big ick factor.

    I agree, Elissa. We’re being played.

    Dana (292dcf)

  348. 341. So now they are investigating the whistle blower, who is also the FBI agent who started the case, and accusing him of wanting to seduce Jill Kelley.

    This article also says the e-mails never referred to Petraeus by name, and so it wouldn’t be clear who it is that Jill Kelley was supposed to be sleeping with. Did she suspect they meant this FBI agent?

    The article says it is disputed that the CIA had any prisoners in Libya – authority for the CIA to hold any prisoners had been removed by Barack Obama in 2009.

    Now where did I first read that story about the 3 prisoners they were forced to release when they were taken to Benghazi airport? I didn’t read that angle that freeing them was maybe the purpose of the attack – they wouldn’t have been where Ambassador Stevens was staying, anyway.

    So Paula Broadwell appears to have been the victim of some disinformation back in September.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  349. Maybe she thought the centcom-mom “Ambassador” Jill Kelley was a spy. Maybe she is a spy. I don’t know what’s real anymore.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  350. Sorry I’m goofed up on antivert (aberrant adult ear infection)

    SarahW (b0e533)

  351. People in lust just can’t avoid being goofy no matter what their age is! Except for who’s involved here it’d be kinda cute, SarahW.

    elissa (deba82)

  352. I think I saw a rabbit with a watch running by,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  353. And hw, after a decision has been made that there wil be no criminal prosections, do we get to a search warrant on Paula Broadwell’s home?

    Looking for evidence that maybe she really did send the e-mails? A different accusation against her?

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  354. This article also says the e-mails never referred to Petraeus by name, and so it wouldn’t be clear who it is that Jill Kelley was supposed to be sleeping with. Did she suspect they meant this FBI agent?

    That wouldn’t work Sammy, unless the FBI agent were Broadwell’s “guy”.

    Also I’ve read varying accounts: some say some of the emails did reference the general and some did not. Some certainly did not. But I think one or two were explicit at least enough to deduce P4

    SarahW (b0e533)

  355. Comment by SarahW — 11/12/2012 @ 7:08 pm

    Finally saw it confirmed that at least one account used by P4 and B. was a shared gmail account; they used the draft section as a drop box. Everybody does that.

    Well,Islamic terrorists are famous for that – but I thought they used hotmail.

    Hotmail accounts disappear if they are unused after a month or two, or used to – not so GMail.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  356. Oh I know!!!Let’s start a rumor that Osama Bin Laden was one of the 3 prisoners being kept in the Libyan secret CIA prison that doesn’t exist. Can’t get any crazier than that.

    elissa (deba82)

  357. Elissa,

    Then whose body was thrown in the sea by the SEALS???.

    Dana (292dcf)

  358. Hey Dana, I got the rumor started. Now you have to add more crazee to it!

    elissa (deba82)

  359. I meant did Jill Kelley initially suspect, when she had no idea who sent the emails, they they intimated she was sleeping with this FBI agent? Not that that would stand up once traced to PB.

    And we still don’t know exactly what they said, and what the ones sent at the beginning said.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  360. was buns up, kneelin’
    petraeus wheelin’ dealin’
    need to know basis

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  361. teh 0bama administration will one day be known as the “we’re looking into it, we’ll get to the bottom of it” gang who wouldn’t talk straight.

    Colonel Haiku (bbaa1c)

  362. Some messages did not mention petraeus but I have the impression that one or two of the half dozen did make that link somehow. They were traced to Broadwell and when she got this news, Kelley complained straight to her family friend Petraeus, and her report of them as a cybercrime was related to her (stated, anyway) concern that someone was trying to blackmail P4.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  363. I want to laugh and laugh at secret Osama prison. Sept 11 in Benghazi makes me laugh less.

    I wonder what they are after at Broadwell’s house. They took in boxes, I guess they will be taking papers or computers out.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  364. This is a live wet dream for Finkelman.

    JD (185efa)

  365. “I wonder what they are after at Broadwell’s house.”

    SarahW – That’s easy. A blue dress. D’oh!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  366. Comment by elissa — 11/12/2012 @ 6:59 pm

    Well “they” certainly have managed to move the discussion and attention away from Katrina on the Hudson, Benghazi, the fiscal cliff and election irregularities.

    Did you know about the deal New York State Senate Republicans are about to make with some liberal (white) Democrats for control of the State Senate? These Democrats already have some comittee charmanships from the Republicans.

    This is said to also have the support of New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, although he’s not getting involved.

    The election returns came in 33-30 in favor Democrats although it might really be 32-31, which would give Simcha Felder the deciding vote, since he said he would go with whoever gave him more of a position, even without the others. This district had been carved out for him, although the Republican elected to replace Carl Kruger, also ran and was backed by the Senate Republicans.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/talks-coalition-building-albany-article-1.1200321

    Klein, another source said, was pushing for a significant policy role for the independent Dems. Specifically, the conference wants a minimum- wage hike, a role in the post-Sandy rebuilding of New York and the creation of a “Dream Fund” to raise college scholarship money for undocumented immigrants who graduate high school in New York, the source said.

    A third source said Klein wants either a co-leadership role with Skelos (R-Nassau County) or to have the conference recognized officially as a third political conference in the Senate that would come with staff and a role in the budget and policy negotiations.

    This is a different group than the 4 amigos of 2009, none of whom are still in the Senate and I think all but one of whom were convicted of something.

    see also:
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/sharpton_revs_up_gop_TsSQ4abCmrqJUb7p3ovktJ

    alk-show host and racial agitator Al Sharpton’s “stupid’’ involvement in efforts to put the narrowly divided state Senate back into Democratic hands makes it more likely that four independent Democrats will back the GOP, The Post has learned.

    What’s more, gloating by United Federation of Teachers President Michael Mulgrew that union-financed Senate Democratic victories were a setback for Gov. Cuomo’s reform agenda makes it more likely Cuomo will push independent Dems to keep the GOP in power, sources said.

    And there was a third and unexpected development over the weekend adding further uncertainty to the Democrats’ hoped-for return to power in January.

    Sources said state Sen. Malcolm Smith of Queens, who served as the Democratic Senate majority leader in 2009 until he was ousted and then replaced during a bitter “coup’’ mounted by Republicans and two renegade Democrats, was “open’’ to helping the GOP keep control of the Senate.

    Smith, who has talked with Republican leaders about running as the GOP candidate for mayor next year, “is open and willing to listen to what the Republicans have to say,’’ said a source close to the situation.

    The election returns came in 33-30 in favor Democrats although it might really be 32-31, which would give Simcha Felder the deciding vote, since he said he would go with whoever gave him more of a position, even without anybody else defecting.

    From another place:

    Andrew Cuomo, who is all-but-officially allied with the possibly soon-to-be-minority Republican caucus in the Senate, which lost despite a gerrymander which the governor approved, has said he’s not getting involved.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rev-al-dems-play-nice-party-article-1.1199769
    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/11/state_senate_breakaway_dems_me.html

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  367. Sammy – Is the rumor true that I heard that Com Ed’s unions are preventing non-union crews from out of state from helping to restore power in New York in contrast to Chris Christie’s stand in New Jersey to put power restoration first rather than union paychecks?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  368. Malcolm Smith is black, by the way.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  369. Last time, they had those weasels, Espada and the other one, switch to give them the majority

    narciso (ee31f1)

  370. Comment by narciso — 11/12/2012 @ 7:04 pm

    Well if this were the Cold War era, KGB, nowadays,

    Interesting story today in the New York Times about 90th birthday of Cold War spy now in Russia. (George Blake, now known also as Giorgi Ivanovich Bekhter)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/12/world/europe/george-blake-british-double-agent-turns-90-in-moscow.html

    Mr. Putin, himself a former intelligence officer, hailed Mr. Blake’s service to the Soviet Union and told him that he had a place in the “constellation of strong and courageous men.”

    Vevak

    What’s Vevek?

    or Saudi intelligence, (sorry the only way this story could get stranger)

    I already have Saudi intelligence as a prime suspect in the plot to oust Petraeus before he found the moles. Why would that make this story stranger?

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  371. I already have Saudi intelligence as a prime suspect in the plot to oust Petraeus before he found the moles.

    But of course.

    JD (318f81)

  372. It might make me right, but it wouldn’t make the story stranger.

    Meanwhile Saudi Arabia and Qatar pushed together a Syrian coalition:

    With Eye on Aid, Syria Opposition Signs Unity Deal

    The U.S. was pushing this thing too. It’s a bad sign.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  373. Vevak is Iranian intelligence, whose military arm is the Revolutionary Guards.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  374. It might make me right, but it wouldn’t make the story stranger.

    I doubt that it is remotely possible for a story to ever become too strange for you.

    JD (318f81)

  375. Comment by daleyrocks — 11/12/2012 @ 8:11 pm

    Sammy – Is the rumor true that I heard that Com Ed’s unions are preventing non-union crews from out of state from helping to restore power in New York in contrast to Chris Christie’s stand in New Jersey to put power restoration first rather than union paychecks?

    Not sure about Con Edison, which anyway has restored power in most places (with some significant lacunae) but that could explain LIPA
    - the Long Island Power Authority – which is really behind – and yet rejects help, if I am right.

    LIPA supplies power to Long Island outside New York City, and also Far Rockaway.

    LIPA replaced LILCO (Long Island Lighting) when politicians forced the closing of the Shoreham nuclear power plant – mostly on grounds you couldn’t evacuate people in the event of a meltdown, or that was the final nail in its coffin – but the bondholders are still being paid off and about 2/3 of the electric bills on Long Island goes to pay off the bondholders and will for another 21 years.

    It is a leaderless state run authority – Cuomo has not filled vacancies – and the actual operation is done by National Grid, which however is already scheduled to be replaced by another company in 2014.

    There was actually a protest by some people “we want our power back” and they may have gotten some action.

    Some city housing projects are without power.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  376. The MTA was probably the best in restoring things – they got some sense knocked into them the Wednesday after the storm and they restored partial service. I think they favored some lines over other.

    Next good was Con Edison.

    Then Verizon (which had some outages)

    Worst was any transit system based in New Jersey, like PATH, and LIPA.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  377. Odd even will now stop in New Jersey, but I don’t know how long it will take in New York. Shortages of gasoline became noticeable the Thursday after the storm (Nov. 1)

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  378. “I wonder what they are after at Broadwell’s house.”

    Me too.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  379. WaPo is reporting now: The FBI has found between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of “potentially inappropriate” e-mails between Gen. John R. Allen and Jill Kelley, the 37-year-old Tampa woman allegedly threatened by David Petraeus’s mistress.
    Allen, a Marine, succeeded Petraeus as the top allied commander in Afghanistan in July 2011.

    So, the emails from Broadwell to Kelly were saying, “Stay away from my general, you’ve got yours?”

    Ichabod (4efee7)

  380. This is too much the same cast of characters to be a coincidence, and yet this doesn’t make sense as not a coincidence, unless, of course, there’s a lot of spoofing of e-mail going on – and you’d use the same women, because that’s the only way you can start multiple investigations.

    Does the general even admit sending the e-mails?

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/13/john-allen-investigated-emails-petraeus-jill-kelley/1701651/

    1:29AM EST November 13. 2012 -

    ABOARD A U.S. MILITARY AIRCRAFT (AP) — In a new twist to the Gen. David Petraeus sex scandal, the Pentagon said Tuesday that the top American commander in Afghanistan, Gen. John Allen, is under investigation for alleged “inappropriate communications” with a woman who is said to have received threatening emails from Paula Broadwell, the woman with whom Petraeus had an extramarital affair.

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said in a written statement issued to reporters aboard his aircraft, en route from Honolulu to Perth, Australia, that the FBI referred the matter to the Pentagon on Sunday.

    Panetta said that he ordered a Pentagon investigation of Allen on Monday.

    A senior defense official traveling with Panetta said Allen’s communications were with Jill Kelley….the official would not explain the nature of Allen’s problematic communications.

    The official said 20,000 to 30,000 pages of emails and other documents from Allen’s communications with Kelley between 2010 and 2012 are under review. He would not say whether they involved sexual matters or whether they are thought to include unauthorized disclosures of classified information. He said he did not know whether Petraeus is mentioned in the emails.

    “Gen. Allen disputes that he has engaged in any wrongdoing in this matter,” the official said. He said Allen currently is in Washington.

    Panetta said that while the matter is being investigated by the Defense Department Inspector General, Allen will remain in his post as commander of the International Security Assistance Force, based in Kabul. He praised Allen as having been instrumental in making progress in the war.

    The FBI’s decision to refer the Allen matter to the Pentagon rather than keep it itself, combined with Panetta’s decision to allow Allen to continue as Afghanistan commander without a suspension, suggested strongly that officials viewed whatever happened as a possible infraction of military rules rather than a violation of federal criminal law….In the meantime, Panetta said, Allen’s nomination to be the next commander of U.S. European Command and the commander of NATO forces in Europe has been put on hold “until the relevant facts are determined.”…Panetta said President Obama was consulted and agreed that Allen’s nomination should be put on hold. Allen was to testify at his confirmation hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Thursday. Panetta said he asked committee leaders to delay that hearing.

    Panetta also said he wants the Senate Armed Services Committee to act promptly on Obama’s nomination of Gen. Joseph Dunford to succeed Allen as commander in Afghanistan. That nomination was made several weeks ago. Dunford’s hearing is also scheduled for Thursday.

    |

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  381. …20,000 to 30,000 pages of emails and other documents from Allen’s communications with Kelley between 2010 and 2012 are under review…

    WTFO?!?!

    Seriously. What are we paying these people to do every day if they have the kind of time on their hands to generate that amount of BS.

    I am so glad I’m not in the service anymore. It was hard enough before to maintain standards.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  382. The FBI’s decision to refer the Allen matter to the Pentagon rather than keep it itself, combined with Panetta’s decision to allow Allen to continue as Afghanistan commander without a suspension, suggested strongly that officials viewed whatever happened as a possible infraction of military rules rather than a violation of federal criminal law….In the meantime, Panetta said, Allen’s nomination to be the next commander of U.S. European Command and the commander of NATO forces in Europe has been put on hold “until the relevant facts are determined.”…Panetta said President Obama was consulted and agreed that Allen’s nomination should be put on hold.

    The skipper of the San Francisco got relieved for going bow on against a sea mount that wasn’t even on the charts. He was, everyone agreed, a fine officer. Not losing the boat entirely was something of a feat of seamanship.

    We’re drumming all the wrong people out of the service. The crew at the top are running aground on hazards that are on the charts. They have been for, like, forever.

    Steve57 (7a880e)

  383. I already have Saudi intelligence as a prime suspect in the plot to oust Petraeus before he found the moles. Why would that make this story stranger?

    Finkleman continues to parody himself.

    SPQR (768505)

  384. Having had my own email hacked, I have a salt-shaker between cheek and gum when it comes to emails as evidence of anything.

    Don’t belittle Sammy, when he points to the Saudis in this matter, SPQR. That was one of my guesses, too, although I am of the mind that revenge must be seen to be extracted for the killing of Osama bin Laden.

    nk (875f57)

  385. The Sauds are junior partners at this point, Doha is handling the big accounts, Egypt, Libya, Hamas

    narciso (ee31f1)

  386. It was very prudent to investigate where the communications were coming from, and why.

    Given Broadwell’s career aspirations to be a top security advisor, to be on the inside loop of all those “sources and methods”, the potential for vindictive terrorizing, especially considering her access to top secrets through Petraeus, means Petraeus and every thing he knew was compromised in terms of security even if there was no such breach in actual fact (and I’m not convinced there was no breach).

    Where did the classified docs on her computer come from?

    What was going on in Benghazi really?

    I saw Daily Beast and subsequently Allahpundit minimizing the scare-quotient of the emails.

    Creepy implied threats are creepy and frightening enough, as everyone who reads this blog already knows. Broadwell was bringing up the coming and goings to Kellys homes, social events, that imply she was being spied on and/or these people were too.

    Bad business.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  387. ______________________________________________

    I am so glad I’m not in the service anymore. It was hard enough before to maintain standards.

    And the Petraeus/Broadwell mess is on top of the mess of past events like those involving Nidal Hasan. All in the name of political correctness gone berserk (and the ethos of I’m-okay-you’re-okay), tolerated right up until the last minute, right before the US consulate in Benghazi was raided and Fort Hood was shot up.

    Euro-sclerosis (ie, the anomie and fecklessness of modern-day liberalism) is quite a disease, contagious far beyond the lands on the east side of the Atlantic, and I don’t see a cure for it.

    Mark (5bf7b1)

  388. ______________________________________________

    I already have Saudi intelligence as a prime suspect in the plot to oust Petraeus before he found the moles.

    If Broadwell, in fact, was acting like a love-struck teenager with a crush on the hot teacher or captain of the football team, and was also acting like the mean, jealous girl on campus, then you don’t need the Saudis or anyone else to be the secret force behind all the idiocy.

    I wonder what Broadwell’s politics are like? I know Petraeus is full of squish, and he’s probably one reason the military, no less, (or the CIA sponsoring, as another example, booths at Gay Pride events) is full of the nonsense of political correctness run amok. I wouldn’t be totally surprised if Broadwell is very similar in terms of her politics: Broadwell on centrist’s Jon Stewart’s TV show.

    Mark (5bf7b1)

  389. Comment by narciso — 11/13/2012 @ 6:12 am

    The Sauds are junior partners at this point, Doha is handling the big accounts, Egypt, Libya, Hamas

    That would be hard to believe. Qatar s newer at this sort of thing, and smaller. I think Qatar is insulation. Qatar and maybe a few other Gulf oil states are satellites of Saudi Arabia, and their relationship to Saudi Arabia is like the relationship between Poland or Bulgaria to the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

    Saudi Arabia’s satellite broadcastng service and that of Qatar (Al Jazeera) are not rivals, but alternatives, and Qatar does the more risky to reputation things, all the while hosting U.S. military bases.

    (This may also be because of internal divisions in Saudi Arabia)

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  390. Comment by SarahW — 11/13/2012 @ 6:58 am

    Where did the classified docs on her computer come from?

    Petraeus is reported as suggesting they came from other commanders (in Afghanistan?) which would mean they date from 2010 and 2011 and had been on her computer for some time. She had top secret clearance, but this would be considered a security breach because they are not supposed to be kept in such a vulnerable place. They were probably low level and not of much use any more to anyone.

    It’s not clear that Paula Broadwell said where they did come from, and that’s maybe why she hired a lawyer. Perhaps she copied them off a computer herself without authorization. (to help her write the book)

    What was going on in Benghazi really?

    In part, probably, the not so secret smuggling of weapons from looted Qaddafi era stockpiles to Saudi/Qatar backed rebels in Syria through Turkey – the Obama Administration was against that, at least until the United States concurred in who the recipients were going to be, and particularly against the sending of any missiles that could shoot down a civilian airliner. This was being done – the Ambasssador went to benghazi in an attempt to stop it. Qatar and Saudi Arabia were kind of hopeless, but he met with the Turkish Ambassador in Benghazi! attempting to pressure Turkey into inspecting the shipments when they reached Turkey, reminding Turkey it was a member of NATO and all that.

    He was succeeding and maybe Saudi intelligence decided to get him killed, using their Moslem Brotherhood connections, and their knowledge of U.S. security precautions, including the firetrap “safe room” where the ambassador would be taken in the event of danger.

    I saw Daily Beast and subsequently Allahpundit minimizing the scare-quotient of the emails.

    Creepy implied threats are creepy and frightening enough, as everyone who reads this blog already knows. Broadwell was bringing up the coming and goings to Kellys homes, social events, that imply she was being spied on and/or these people were too.

    The only thing new I heard was that one asked if her husband knew what she was doing and another accused her of touching “him” under a dinner table. If anything in that corresponded to when or where she was sated at a dinner table with David Petraeus, then indeed it would look like somebody was spying on her – but it wasn’t Paula Broadwell, who almost certainly wasn’t there – and it wouldn’t have been David Petraeus unless this actually happened and he told her, and this story doesn’t sound like that.

    It would have to be somebody else at the CIA or among their circle of friends, and if in fact nothing like that happened except maybe that they were seated near each other, that spells C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y (probably to oust the director.)

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  391. If, on the other hand, the incident at the table is made up out of whole cloth, then it doesn’t indicate spying and doesn’t spell C-O-N-S-P-I-R-A-C-Y (so much – there would be some indication somebody was lying to PB or she’s abnormally suspicious) but then the e-mail also isn’t so alarming and creepy.

    I don’t know which it is.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  392. And by the way, Fox should retract its concession that the alarming e-mails were traced to Paula Broadwell.

    I figured it out. There is no reason to assume anyone spoofed her hotel address in order for her not to have sent even one of them.

    The emails were never traced to her. The (GMail?) account from which at least one of the emails was sent (they were sent from multiple accounts) was traced to her by examining where else any messages from that account had been sent.

    And it was proven she operated that account (apparently one that used a joint family e-mail as the account the GMail account was linked to) by tracing e-mails sent from that GMail account – other e-mails – to her hotel rooms.

    There are any number of social engineering ways some stranger might have been able to log on – but I thought of a very simple method:

    If she gave David Petraeus the log on information (to a pre-existing account) so he could leave messages to her in the draft folder – somebody else at the CIA might have found that out.

    Perhaps the CIA is monitoring every single cell phone call and Internet transmission and wireless transmission that goes out of its headquarters.

    Monitoring and recording everything coming out of CIA headquarters would sound like a sensible security precaution, and technologically quite possible.

    And Petraeus had maybe written to her at least once while at CIA HQ. And his user name and password was captured.

    So his enemies at the CIA, or foreign intelligence moles,[1]- but I repeat myself – would have had access to the Gmail account, and all the tools they needed to begin an investigation.

    There are still some missing pieces of the puzzle. How to ensure Jill Kelley goes to the FBI? And that the FBI follows the trail. OK, they’ve got people in the FBI too in on the deal. We still need a little more, though.

    [1] From Qatar, Saudi Arabia or China – not Iran, their plot to kill Saudi Arabian Ambassador was too clumsy, and anyway he was the wrong target since the Ambassador is probably not running a spy network, using cash withdrawn from the Riggs bank, unlike Prince Bandar. Not Russia – they don’t have well placed moles any more.

    Sammy Finkelman (b7434f)

  393. And it all boils down to SCOAMF.

    nk (875f57)

  394. Maybe the Mossad will come out and give us the answers one day. Probably more likely than getting it from Holder and Obama and company.

    That would be a way for Netanyahu to return the favor.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  395. Comment by SarahW — 11/11/2012 @ 8:31 am

    They KEPT the fact that the FBI was investigating him fron OBAMA?

    Obama LIKED Petraeus. If he had known too much too soon, he’d have persuaded him to stay on.

    What kind of a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure is Obama, anyway?

    Medium level. Not as bad as George H.W. Bush or Carter.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  396. 60. Comment by Dana — 11/11/2012 @ 9:09 am

    Chaffetz and Issa will decide tomorrow whether to subpooena Petraeus. And they want to hear from Hillary, too.

    What did they decide, do you know?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  397. Comment by The astute Dana — 11/11/2012 @ 2:00 pm

    The whacko leftists an MoveOn.org hated him, and called him “General Betray Us,” because he did President Bush’s bidding, but, as Moe Lane noted, they scrubbed their criticism when President Obama needed him.

    General Betray Us was back on the fronmt page of the new York Daily news on Saturday – they couldn’t resist the pun.

    GEN BETRAY U.S.

    Caught
    In the
    Act

    Spy boss quits over affair with biographer
    SEE PAGES 4-5

    It’s mostly white lettering. The C and I and the A are in red.

    GEN. BETRAY U.S. is also underlined.

    There is a picture of general Petraeus on the front page and also an inset picture of him together with PB, with a white border, that says, using white lettering:

    Disgraced CIA chief David Poetraeus aboard plane with mistress and biographer Paula Broadwell.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  398. 54. Comment by Icy — 11/11/2012 @ 8:59 am

    In Geek’s world the buck stops everywhere EXCEPT the Oval Office.

    However, in this case, Barack Obama is probably the only person who would be in the clear, as far as planning Petraeus’ ouster, because he would not have had to engage in all this rigarmarole to fire him after the election.

    Even if he wanted to replace him but hide his reasons, he could come up with something much better than this, and if he couldn’t think of anytthing, David Axelrod and Valeriue Jarett could help him..

    So this was done to present Obama with a fait
    accompli.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  399. 403. Comment by nk — 11/13/2012 @ 9:38 am

    And it all boils down to SCOAMF.

    WWhat really is a failure is not the Benghazi attack, but what happened afterward.

    Ronald Reagan had a failire like that, the Beirut bombings, but he didn’t act this way afterward.

    And with Iran Contra he appointed a 3-man bipartisan commission pretty quickly.

    Sometimes these commissions get things wrong – the Chernobyl one almost missed the O-ring. The Warren Commission said Oswald fired only two bullets, and if he fired three it was between when the second and thired one really were, and they also were completely wrong abouyt who selected the parade route. The 9/11 commission has the chronology of who knew what when about hijacked planes, and which planes were hijacked all wrong and impossible. (they couldn’t have been thinking Flight 11 was still in the air, not many people anyway)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  400. 404.Comment by MD in Philly — 11/13/2012 @ 10:08 am

    Maybe the Mossad will come out and give us the answers one day.

    Ever since Prince Bandar got Jonathan Pollard arrested (Pollard had thought he had a spy in Prince Bandar’s office – this guy obviously was a douyble agent) and maneuvered things so as to get him a life sentence, I don’t think anyone in Israel would try any spying on the United States.

    The Israelis probably don’t realize he’s still keeping him in prison. Nothing but threats to stop co-operating could explain teh tenacity with which nobody in an official position wants to reduce his sentence.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  401. WWhat really is a failure is not the Benghazi attack, but what happened afterward.

    WTF. Those dead heroes were just bumps in the road, huh?

    JD (318f81)

  402. Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 11/13/2012 @ 10:53 am

    410.SF: What really is a failure is not the Benghazi attack, but what happened afterward.

    Comment by JD — 11/13/2012 @ 10:54 am

    WTF. Those dead heroes were just bumps in the road, huh?

    The president might not be held responsible for that, but he surely has got to responsibke for not correcting things that are obviously wrong, once they have been brought to his attention.

    And then there the bad intelligence afterward. Who would tolerate all of this?

    Even Andrew Cuomo will do something about the people in charge of the Long Island Power Authority and Bloomberg will do something about the New York City Hosuing Authority. And this is more important.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  403. SF: “I already have Saudi intelligence as a prime suspect in the plot to oust Petraeus before he found the moles.”

    Comment by Mark — 11/13/2012 @ 7:46 am

    If Broadwell, in fact, was acting like a love-struck teenager with a crush on the hot teacher or captain of the football team, and was also acting like the mean, jealous girl on campus, then you don’t need the Saudis or anyone else to be the secret force behind all the idiocy.

    First question: Was she? And why also these secondary investigations? And why the peculiar timing?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  404. The president might not be held responsible for that, but he surely has got to responsibke for not correcting things that are obviously wrong, once they have been brought to his attention.

    Might be responsible? Give me a effin break.

    JD (318f81)

  405. Comment by Mark — 11/13/2012 @ 7:46 am

    I wonder what Broadwell’s politics are like?

    In August, Paula Broadwell lashed out at Drudge for Petraeus Veep report

    https://twitter.com/paulabroadwell/status/232896836208295936

    Paula Broadwell ‏@paulabroadwell

    @DRUDGE_REPORT Your speculation about @petraeus as a Romney VP pic is full of non-truths (but I guess you figured that out)! @rajivwashpost
    Reply
    Retweet

    Of course, it was untrue.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  406. Behghazi was before, during, and after, Sammy.

    nk (875f57)

  407. Before, during, and after, SCOAMF failure.

    nk (875f57)

  408. Yes I know, but still the worst thing is acting like he thinks everybody is doing a heckuva job.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

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