Patterico's Pontifications

11/6/2012

Get Out and Vote

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:19 am

This is it. Are we going to spend the next four years continuing to spend ourselves into oblivion, led by a president who will have “more flexibility”?

Or are we going to do something about it?

If you are in Ohio — or Wisconsin, Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Michigan, or Minnesota — you need to vote. This is about your children’s future.

The founding of America has much to do with our resistance to the concept of taxation without representation. But today, our children are being taxed without representation. By borrowing $16 trillion, we have put every household in debt $144,000. That falls on your children. They will end up paying horrific taxes, and they never got a say.

We can’t keep adding over a trillion a year to the debt. Something has to give. We have to resist.

It starts today.

Vote.

154 Responses to “Get Out and Vote”

  1. if defense is off the table it’s very likely we will continue to spend ourselves into oblivion I think

    it’s a big table let’s load it up

    happyfeet (1b66c1)

  2. And remember: to shorten the lines and voting displays, Republicans vote on Tuesday and Democrats vote on Wednesday!

    The public service announcement Dana (3e4784)

  3. There are more elections than for President. The (attack) ads are still running strong on the big five stations in Chicago.

    Curiously, I am in a very political place and there are no yard signs. Zilch, zip, nada.

    ;) I do have ID, and a car, but I sympathized with people who say gettind ID can be a hassle, while I circled for a parking spot, and trudged with a walker across a school parking lot and up stairs and down corridors designed for K-5.

    nk (875f57)

  4. I got my vote in! I’m just glad I didn’t have to deal with the Obama worshipers this time.

    Antonio (a031cf)

  5. I kinda like the idea of my kids and grandkids begging the chinese for debt relief. Just like the greeks are doing today with germany.

    Joe (ea8609)

  6. I voted this morning in SW Florida at a suburban precinct. The polls opened at 7am and I was in line 30 minutes early. I was #26 in line. After they opened the doors it took about 10 minutes before the first voter emerged from the building.

    10 minutes later I was inside and showing my picture identification and having my signature verified. Another 10 minutes and I was on my bike and on the way home to steak and eggs.

    Compared to 2010 the line was nearly 4 times as long. Voters were almost all GOP supporters. Judging from informal chit-chat there were very few Obama voters, if there were more they were keeping quite, although I did hear of one couple complaining about having to show ID to vote.

    I spoke with a couple of snow-birds from Illinois, usually most snow-birds don’t arrive till after Thanksgiving, but these two came early because they thought their votes would have maximum impact in a battleground state.

    My overall impression was that better than 4 out of 5 voters in line were Romney/Ryan supporters. It’s not scientific but it feels about right.

    I’m anticipating a big GOP victory party tonight.

    ropelight (5f0fec)

  7. I got my vote in! I’m just glad I didn’t have to deal with the Obama worshipers this time.

    Comment by Antonio — 11/6/2012 @ 6:37 am

    Just go to Philly – no obama worshipers – just obama enforcers.

    Joe (ea8609)

  8. PS: I didn’t have a yard sign so I put out an empty chair prominently displayed on the front lawn.

    ropelight (5f0fec)

  9. I voted this morning in SW Florida at a suburban precinct.

    My overall impression was that better than 4 out of 5 voters in line were Romney/Ryan supporters. It’s not scientific but it feels about right.

    I’m anticipating a big GOP victory party tonight.

    Comment by ropelight

    Will your observation exceed the margin of fraud – remember it is extremely easy to get hanging chads and dimpled chads is to punch multiple ballots at one time.

    Joe (ea8609)

  10. And let me be very clear about this: if you work for a living, and you vote for Barack Hussein Obama, you are just plain stupid.

    The explicit Dana (3e4784)

  11. bloomers says this is our opportunity for our voice to be heard about the scary scary global warmings and the carbon plutions

    alrighty then

    happyfeet (1b66c1)

  12. The only way that debt can be paid is if there is if people make enough money to pay it. See California.

    glenn (647d76)

  13. The TsuRomney be building!

    Sad to see the expected Black Panther crap in Philadelphia.

    Delighted to see the GOP and tea party-style organizations are deployed in record numbers to limit the fraud.

    Remember, it’s still about the Senate, the Senate, the Senate. If the GOP can gain control, the worst of BHO can be stopped. If Romney wins without a GOP Senate? Harry Reid dictates terms and we will suffer mightily.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  14. Harry Reid will diminish and go into the west — like Galadriel.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  15. The fight here in AZ is for the retiring John Kyl’s Senate seat. Jeff Flake must defeat Obama’s lap-dog maggot, Rich Carmona. Flake is +5 in recent polling.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  16. I got my vote in! I’m just glad I didn’t have to deal with the Obama worshipers this time.

    Way to go, Antonio!

    It’s too bad your vote doesn’t really count the same way it would in other states. If I recall correctly, you live in Georgia, right? So we’re winning there anyway.

    Still, a step in the right direction!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  17. All right, ropelight! A Florida vote for Romney!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  18. I voted a couple of weeks ago.

    SPQR (768505)

  19. if defense is off the table it’s very likely we will continue to spend ourselves into oblivion I think

    it’s a big table let’s load it up

    Feets, defense is pretty much the only reason the USA exists at all. It’s the one legitimate function the fedgov has. Putting defense on the table with everything else to be cut is like putting your kids’ health insurance on the table. You don’t do that. You cut vacations, entertainment, dining out, the car if you can do without it, but you don’t touch the kids’ health insurance.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  20. Hey, they moved my polling place!

    Mrs. carlito just pulled the lever for Mittens.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  21. Of course if you can get a better deal by switching providers, or by getting a better plan that doesn’t cover them for pregnancy or hip replacements, that’s great.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  22. I voted. I had to lose my temper to get the poll worker to look on the right page, then found out my ex and our son, who live in WI, were on the Dubuque, Iowa, voter rolls. I objected, but the Democrat poll worker would not strike them eventhough they are registered as Republican.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  23. I voted three weeks ago.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  24. Me, too!

    Michael Jackson (cdc9d6)

  25. Milhouse, there isn’t anything, anywhere, that can’t be cut by 10% and still function. Defense can and should be on the table.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  26. Black Panther piles of s***!!!

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  27. Voted

    JD (8e5a8c)

  28. Hey, they moved my polling place!

    They moved mine twice. After the redistricting I got a notice that for at least the next ten years I will be voting in the local armory, but yesterday I got another notice that the armory is full of refugees so I’ll be voting somewhere else this time.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  29. Tillman would be here, but he’s taken the maxim of “vote early, vote often” to heart, and has embarked on a multi-state jaunt that he affectionately calls “Swinging in the Swing States”.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  30. I’m off to vote in a bit. Of course, the Lightworker will in CA (unless he calls it early to demoralize Repubs, as reported, thereby suppressing his own voters here) but I wonder if all the Crossroads ads I’ve been seeing will have any effect on the vote for props or anything else.

    Patricia (e1d89d)

  31. We’re about to go vote at our precinct across the street. In 2008 Mrs. aunursa voted for a Republican for the first time when she cast a ballot for Sarah Palin for vice president. This time will be her first affirmative vote for a Republican for president.

    aunursa (7014a8)

  32. I ran past McCormick Place this morning, and there are like a zillion satellite dish trucks out there for the after party.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  33. Seals and Sheriffs enroute to Philly voting stations where 60-odd GOP observers ejected. Court has ruled they be reinstated.

    ‘One’ bad apple spoils the lot.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  34. Voted this AM and there was a poll watcher standing outside, unusually. And….usually here we have to sign in, but this time the election workers were making people sign the little box next to your (covered-over-with-a-bookmark) recorded signature, upside down.

    IMO a clever way to make sure the sigs matched — a fraudulent voter, if he got a glimpse of the actual sig before they covered it up, would have a lot harder time reproducing it.

    I vote every single election and this is the first time they turned the book over. They must be getting a bit more aware about fraud, finally. Now if we’d only pass photo id laws *sigh*

    BTW have never missed voting in an election but, much as I liked and supported Bush, have never felt as good about voting as I did today. We truly have a wonderful team running. And I think we have a good chance to win.

    no one you know (325a59)

  35. Voted in a purple section of West LA. Got there just before the polls opened at 7am, 25 people in line for two precincts (but mostly for one). Took 20 minutes to get in and vote. When I left there were another 30 people in line for the same precinct.

    One odd thing — most of the poll workers were rather young and more diverse.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  36. Harry Reid will diminish and go into the west — like Galadriel.

    I don’t think Galadriel took the Mouth of Sauron with her.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  37. BTW, just for Patrick, I voted NO on 36 (but yes on 32).

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  38. My mid kid and I vols for Romney

    EPWJ (4380b4)

  39. Kevin M

    going to far bud, convincing pat seems to works better than thinly veiled snarky digs

    EPWJ (4380b4)

  40. you know sometimes you find one bad apple and all the other ones are just fine

    happyfeet (1b66c1)

  41. ______________________________________________

    This country should never have allowed itself to get into the position of wrestling with a horror, as what’s currently in the White House, to begin with.

    This recent era has been like a bad plot of a bad movie, and the time for its ending is long, long overdue.

    Mark (66bba6)

  42. going to far bud, convincing pat seems to works better than thinly veiled snarky digs

    and you would know this how?

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  43. Oh, BTW, I voted to throw (IN)Justice Wiggins off the Iowa Supreme Court.

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  44. Reports are Romany begins the day with a 90K lead in OH, Twitter has reports of low turnout in Dhimmi ‘hoods.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  45. FWIW, lines were longer than 2008. I waited an hour and a half, and the line was the same length when I left. Workers said lines like that since 6:30.

    JD (8e5a8c)

  46. No line at my (new) polling place at 8:30. I can’t imagine that many of my neighbors did early voting, so feels like turnout might be down.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  47. 46. Enthused Not.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  48. Are the polls this time are very difficult to determine the accuracy. With a less than 10% response rate, how to judge if the sample is random. The legitimate polls that have obama up slightly (not counting the ones with a big +d sample) have a very interesting result – Virtually all that do show Obama up also have higher obama disapproval numbers and higher wrong track numbers. Those negatives are hard to square with an incumbent winning reelection.

    Joe (ea8609)

  49. Voted today, took 15 minutes. I got there about 3 minutes before the polls opened and it had a short line, same when I left at 7:15. I used my “Revenge” vote to throw the incumbent who tried really hard to damage this great country and to take race relations back to the 1960′s out of office.

    Greg (3ba367)

  50. Voted R&R
    Scott Brown
    and yes on Marijuana.

    I think Brown would have had an easier time if he would have declared himself an Independent.

    mg (31009b)

  51. A black women (in her 30s) working for storobin handed me a Romney/Ryan and David Storobin for Senate flyer across the strete from polling place.

    Lower ranking candidates always put out signs or flyers that feature the top of the ticket. I remember the Reagan/Levin (for Congress) signs in 1984.

    Levin was running against Stephen Solarz and aactually gave him quote a scare. He was really scared after his percentage dropped from around 82% to 66% or so.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  52. Just heard Frank Luntz on Dennis Miller. He says Romney will win by 0.5% in the popular vote but can’t project the all important EV winner because he doesn’t know what’s going to happen in OH. He doesn’t share Barone’s views on the swing states.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  53. A black women (in her 30s) working for storobin handed me a Romney/Ryan and David Storobin for Senate flyer across the strete from polling place.

    Lower ranking candidates always put out signs or flyers that feature the top of the ticket. I remember the Reagan/Levin (for Congress) signs in 1984.

    Levin was running against Stephen Solarz and aactually gave him quote a scare. He was really scared after his percentage dropped from around 82% to 66% or so.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  54. Yes, I spent the day handing out Levin stuff outside a polling place. Solarz was caught inside a polling place handing out candy with his name on the wrapper. With proper funding and staffing, enough to have at least one person per polling place, Levin might have actually won.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  55. Allegedly OH early vote totals got accidentally posted on the Gannett website and showed Romney up 92,000. Could be just an unfounded rumor. I don’t know how Gannett could have gotten them.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  56. Allegedly OH early vote totals got accidentally posted on the Gannett website and showed Romney up 92,000. Could be just an unfounded rumor. I don’t know how Gannett could have gotten them.

    Surely they couldn’t, because the votes haven’t been counted. They might have been exit polling.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  57. Surely they couldn’t, because the votes haven’t been counted. They might have been exit polling.

    Comment by Milhouse — 11/6/2012 @ 9:20 am

    If the have switched entirely to electronic voting in OH conceivably they could have been counted.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  58. #9 Joe @6:47am

    Since we have no punch ballots on the Gulf side of the Everglades, we’ll have no hanging chads. We used fill-in-the-bubble ballots and then fed them into electronic counters.

    If the fix was in, it was concealed within the machine counters and there was no way to detect fraud, no running tallies were visible, and the only way to verify accuracy would be to compare paper ballots to machine totals.

    If the results are close Democrats will pull their usual favorite 2 stunts: suddenly finding a few uncounted ballot boxes containing near unanimous votes all supporting Democrat candidates, and sending in teams of lawyers trained to find ways to disqualify ballots from military members serving overseas.

    ropelight (5cc6b1)

  59. I voted early and I’ve called all my friends and colleagues to ask them to vote.

    It’s Texas, though, and we’re too smart to choose Obama. But we are contributing Senator Ted Cruz, a major improvement for conservatism.

    And let me be very clear about this: if you work for a living, and you vote for Barack Hussein Obama, you are just plain stupid.

    Comment by The explicit Dana — 11/6/2012

    Let’s hope the folks in the swing states have your sense.

    Dustin (73fead)

  60. 56 – They can report the number of Republicans and/or Democrats who requested to EV and absentee. They also can report vote totals by area, and extrapolate which are Dems and which are GOP leans.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  61. This is the Democrat Party. This is not one isolated incident; 75 cases is proof of a criminal conspiracy. Aphrael, has any similar thing ever been done by Republicans? I’ve never heard of it. And this ought to be enough to impeach Eric Holder, no matter who wins today. There is no way he can escape personal responsibility for it.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  62. They can report the number of Republicans and/or Democrats who requested to EV and absentee.

    Those are already publicly known so that wouldn’t be what the alleged accidental number release is talking about.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  63. A wish for the new Administration:

    I wish for President Romney to appoint a 4-star at the Pentagon to ensure that every Commissioned Officer, Non-Commissioned Officer, and Enlisted receives an opportunity to vote in all local, state, and national elections, and that if he/she fails at that mission, a severe reduction in rank and mandatory retirement at that reduced rank occurs.
    Plus, he/she should be joined by an Assistant Attorney General in ensuring that any civilian who interferes with the right-to-vote of any military member is prosecuted and imprisoned.
    This suppression of the military vote cannot be tolerated one day longer.

    Then, he can deal with Philly.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  64. Hey has patterico suggested someone for LA County DA? The race it between Jackie Lacey and Alan Jackson. I suppose since he works there, he is probably keeping his mouth shut, but anybody heard if he has a opinion on this one?

    dan-O (815680)

  65. I voted mail-in ballot 2 weeks ago. RR, Jeff Flake and Paul Gosar. I know we are a red state, but it’s best to get out and vote.

    PatAZ (d1234f)

  66. With CA’s new Top Two system, I voted today for my first Democrat (1st Election: 1962):
    Whoever was on the ballot running against my incumbent Congresskritter!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  67. Seriously, folks, what ought to be an appropriate remedy for what just happened in Philly? It seems to me that the court should not just have ordered the GOP watchers to be allowed in, but should have ordered all votes cast while they were absent to be discarded. That seems harsh for the people who voted in that time, and if they can be positively identified they should be allowed to vote again, but it seems to me that any vote cast in that period must be suspect, and it would be dangerous to count it. Imagine trying to introduce evidence in a trial, that had been left alone in the custody of a known criminal with a reason for tampering with it. It would never be admitted. Same here. It’s also an appropriate penalty for the Democrat campaign, to discourage them from pulling such shtick in future.

    Any takers?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  68. I would favor hanging the Dem poll officials who barred GOP poll-watchers from the nearest lamp-post.
    That would send a message immediately.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  69. I voted, straight Democratic!

    Jimmy Hoffa (3e4784)

  70. I voted, too, straight Democratic, because John Edwards said it would make me breathe walk again.

    Christopher Reeve (3e4784)

  71. I voted, too, straight Democratic, of course.

    Richard J Daley (3e4784)

  72. #64 Dan-O,

    Patterico has to work under whichever of the two candidates wins the DA race, so we can infer that if he hasn’t written about the contest thus far, it’s because he’s not making any public endorsement on the Jackson VS Lacey contest.

    As a Hugh Hewitt Radio Show listener, I do recall that AJ appeared on Hewitt’s show.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  73. If you are serious about avoiding these issues (which I doubt) then why would you vote for someone whose policies and programs brought them about to begin with?

    Oh yeah, you are gullible nitwits, forgot.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  74. Milhouse, I suppose your suggestion is more practical than mine to reintroduce public scourging for the on-site elections judges that perpetrated this outrage.

    If I were the RNC I’d have the attorneys working on it as we speak.

    We all know the Dems did this because PA really is in play. They need to get the votes in Philly by hook or by crook because the rest of the state is going to go for Romney. Enough votes from Philly, though, can make the difference.

    Philly and the entire state of Ohio is where Obama’s people are going to have to steal the election. They’ve got the machine in place to do it. And you won’t see it reported in the MFM when it happens in plain sight, as it did here.

    Which is why I said on this thread:

    A reading from The Book of Obvious: we can expect fraud and GOP voter disenfranchisement on a wide scale to go unreported while the MFM reports nonsense and makes early calls to discourage conservatives.

    I’m so proud of myself; I predicted this. Me, and just about every American above the third grade.

    Steve57 (320590)

  75. The liberal vermin are out heavily in my hood, the northside of Chi. I was #360. It is Chicago after all. My guess is Romney will get about 25% of the city vote. Illinois which is a lost cause will go BO. I hope the rest of the country will save us.

    Ipso Fatso (1e3278)

  76. Oh yeah, you are gullible nitwits, forgot.

    Gullible nitwits might find your nonsense believable, miss tillie. Why don’t you go troll someplace where you can find some.

    Steve57 (320590)

  77. Got a nice melody and you can two-step to it:

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/214130.php

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  78. 73. A voice cries out from the asylum.

    He comes eating granola and soy and you racists think he has a demon.

    Wingnuts. Demons prefer a sound vessel.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  79. “Why don’t you go troll someplace where you can find some.”

    LOL, this is the friggin’ mother lode you nitwit!

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  80. Milhouse, at 28: relocating the polling place to make room for refugees seems perfectly reasonable and unobjectionable.

    aphrael (f1d203)

  81. I can’t wait to laugh in your faces… :)

    The Emperor (170506)

  82. Milhouse, Solarz got away with that? That’s … incredibly bad.

    As for Philadelphia:

    I don’t think you can disqualify the votes due to pollworker shenanigans, but i’d be in favor of prosecuting the poll workers for violation of election law.

    aphrael (f1d203)

  83. I spent 6-10 this morning answering phone calls from Ohio from voters asking where they should go to vote, what they should do if they’d moved, etc.

    Then I went to vote at my precinct in Manhattan; it took 45 minutes. The pollworkers were VERY SLOW.

    aphrael (f1d203)

  84. 81. Well, you’d better get a move on, I’m a good 2/3 done with this here popstand.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  85. “Why don’t you go troll someplace where you can find some.”

    LOL, this is the friggin’ mother lode you nitwit!

    miz tillie, you actually put a genuine smile on my face with that one. Having you attempt to flame me for being a nitwit is nearly as amusing as having the impeached disbarred perjurer Billy Jeff “I did not have sex with that woman” Clinton lecture me (and the rest of the public) that you don’t want to have a President who will knowingly, repeatedly lie to you.

    It’s called an alternate universe, that bubble you and Billy Jeff share.

    Steve57 (320590)

  86. Howard Dean: “The only way we lose is through fraud.”

    Well, then you best cut that out, Nimrod.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  87. @steve57, do you believe everything Mitt Romney says? Is he a man who would never lie?

    The Emperor (170506)

  88. Comment by P. Tillman — 11/6/2012 @ 10:29 am

    Nillwit seems to think that we’re voting for Barney Frank, or Chris Dodd.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  89. “I spent 6-10 this morning answering phone calls from Ohio from voters asking where they should go to vote…”

    Correct answer if questioner is Obama supporter: Cuba.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  90. Chimperor and illman were made for each other.

    JD (8e5a8c)

  91. Milhouse, at 28: relocating the polling place to make room for refugees seems perfectly reasonable and unobjectionable.

    Of course. That wasn’t a complaint, it was an observation. But here’s something bloody impressive: this site correctly found my new, temporary location, which had only been assigned yesterday.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  92. As for Philadelphia:

    I don’t think you can disqualify the votes due to pollworker shenanigans, but i’d be in favor of prosecuting the poll workers for violation of election law.

    What foundation is there for regarding the votes as valid? As for the prospect of prosecution as a disincentive, why wouldn’t they have every expectation that if 0bama wins they’ll be let off just as the New Black Panthers were last time?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  93. That’s why lamp-posts are so effective.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  94. nearly as amusing as having the impeached disbarred perjurer Billy Jeff “I did not have sex with that woman” Clinton lecture me (and the rest of the public) that you don’t want to have a President who will knowingly, repeatedly lie to you.

    You forgot rapist. That kind of outshines the other offenses.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  95. “Get Out and Vote”

    Sheesh. Don’t rush me. I just opened my ballot a few minutes ago.

    Not that it’s going to take me long to vote a straight Republican ticket and vote against any proposition that gives the California government any more power or money than it already has.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  96. Comment by Milhouse — 11/6/2012 @ 7:28 am

    After the redistricting I got a notice that for at least the next ten years I will be voting in the local armory, but yesterday I got another notice

    In the mail?

    that the armory is full of refugees so I’ll be voting somewhere else this time.

    Some schools are also being used.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  97. LOL, this is the friggin’ mother lode you nitwit!
    Comment by P. Tillman — 11/6/2012 @ 10:41 am

    – Find those pics of Ann Romney’s sister wives yet? Hurry up! It’s the 11th hour, and your revelation may be what it takes to sink the R/R juggernaut.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  98. In the mail?

    No, hand delivered, courtesy of my local something-or-other. State Senator, I think.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  99. via Ace:

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/11/06/its-now-public-editors-rejigger-polls/

    Not a conspiracy, just devolution.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  100. “What foundation is there for regarding the votes as valid?”

    Milhouse – The foundation is the awesome GOTV efforts in those precincts with no GOP observers. It’s not unheard of to achieve 120% voter turnout! Truly amazing.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  101. 9. Re: HANGING CHADS.

    Those are long gone. The litigation in Florida concerns early voting lines – in Ohio the fact taht this year provisional voters are supposed to fill out the forms themselves that describe what ID they did use.

    And from I’m reading, yes, election day votes can replace an absentee ballot, which might mean that someone might vote both ways, but only provisionally election day, and not need to make a decision until until November 15 or so. (the election day vote counts if they come back with better ID, if they voted in the right precinct)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  102. Find those pics of Ann Romney’s sister wives yet?

    I posted them in the other thread

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  103. Three Supreme Court Justices on the ballot in Florida today. “Should they be retained?”

    All three voted in 2000 to extend the recount, which threw the election to the USSC.

    I don’t forget, and I don’t forgive.

    NO! NO! NO!

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  104. Don’t know if it works the same way in Philly, but in Chicago and Lake County, Indiana the traditional response from precincts is not what the vote totals are, but how many votes do you need.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  105. Find those pics of Ann Romney’s sister wives yet?
    I posted them in the other thread
    Comment by Milhouse — 11/6/2012 @ 11:26 am

    – Not YOU!

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  106. Comment by Joe — 11/6/2012 @ 8:34 am

    how to judge if the sample is random.

    The sample is random – it’s the refusals that aren’t random or in proportion too who,e somebody intends to vote for.

    This applies to election day exit polls too,

    The legitimate polls that have obama up slightly (not counting the ones with a big +d sample)

    Although party identification tracks with voting choice, it probably can only go up so high. You might use a metric that was based on the ratio of party idenmtification to vote choice.

    have a very interesting result – Virtually all that do show Obama up also have higher obama disapproval numbers and higher wrong track numbers. Those negatives are hard to square with an incumbent winning reelection.

    They could dislike both. No, the question is why higher disapproval than other polls but more voting for him. (is the size of the sample the same for both questions? Does everybody get asked and counted in the wrong track question, but the voting question is weighed by likelihood of voting?)

    Are they, also, let’s say not pushing the undecided so much? Could be a lot of the undeiced are undecided between Romney and not voting.)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  107. Comment by Milhouse — 11/6/2012 @ 9:15 am

    Solarz was caught inside a polling place handing out candy with his name on the wrapper. With proper funding and staffing, enough to have at least one person per polling place, Levin might have actually won.

    Levin was kind of ignoring a lot of the district.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  108. Yes, because he didn’t have nearly enough money or people, so he concentrated them on the area he thought he’d be strongest. With a decently funded and staffed campaign he could have won.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  109. Of course Levin is a nutcase, but better a nut than a communist sympathiser (“Dear Commandante”).

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  110. Another little issue in Philadelphia:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/judge-issuing-order-to-reinstate-booted-philadelphia-election-officials/

    Workers at a Philadelphia polling place, after being ordered by a judge to cover up a mural of President Obama “in its entirety,” slapped up a few pieces of paper that only partially covered his image — while leaving the Obama campaign logo and a quote from the current president in full view for voters.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  111. W household has cast its ballots.

    Kid voted a straight R ticket and voted to reign in Kelo-style abuse of eminent domain. This is his first presidential election. Mama is proud especially since there was no cajoling required.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  112. Comment by Milhouse — 11/6/2012 @ 11:37 am

    With a decently funded and staffed campaign he could have won.

    I don’t think people realize how vulnerable he was.

    The Communist/foreign policy issue really did hurt Solarz

    After that, he decided he needed to switch policy – but he felt he had to take the entire Democratic Party with him. He found an issue: Cambodia, and sided with the allies of Pol Pot against the North Vietnamese backed Communists who had ousted Pol Pot.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  113. Sammy, that is irksome. No respect for polling place rules = no respect for free franchise at all.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  114. It wasn’t Levin who talked about foreign policy, but otehrs. I think he encountered it when he began visiting Rabbis.

    On the radio one time, after the election, Solarz said Levin only got the normal Republican vote if there is a real campaign – other Congressmen woiuld give their eyeteeth to have a distruct where they got the percentage he did ….but he knew better.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  115. It wasn’t till 2011 or 2012 thata couple of elections started going the other way. Turner for Congress. Storobin for State Senate.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  116. 110. I hope to do as well. Helps to have family’s unhinged Libs close.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  117. Sammy, at 109: Boo. Hiss. No electioneering means no electioneering.

    Someone should get them locked up for contempt of court.

    aphrael (f1d203)

  118. 87. @steve57, do you believe everything Mitt Romney says? Is he a man who would never lie?

    Comment by The Emperor — 11/6/2012 @ 11:03 am

    I know I can’t believe anything Obama says. During his first SOU address he stood before Congress and declared he had no lobbyists in policymaking positions.

    He has 40 ex-lobbyists in policymaking positions. Many had just dashed through the revolving door to join his administration. Four of his ex-lobbyists were sitting in front of him as he said it; they’re in his cabinet.

    The idea that assault on Benghazi was due to a video was an obvious, self-serving lie from the start. Even Maureen Dowd said that was a story that was bound to unravel. Even the Cairo protests weren’t due to the video. The salafists issued a press release that had been translated and posted the day before 9/11 announcing and declaring what the protest was about:

    September 10, 2012 – 4:20 pm

    Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya have issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.

    According to El Fagr, they are calling for the immediate release of the Islamic jihadis who are imprisonment and in detention centers in the U.S. including Guantanamo Bay: “The group, which consists of many members from al-Qaeda, called [especially] for the quick release of the jihadi [mujahid] sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman [the "Blind Sheikh"], whom they described as a scholar and jihadi who sacrificed his life for the Egyptian Umma, who was ignored by the Mubarak regime, and [President] Morsi is refusing to intervene on his behalf and release him, despite promising that he would. The Islamic Group has threatened to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo with those in it, and taking hostage those who remain [alive], unless the Blind Sheikh is immediately released.”

    Go ahead, attack the source. But it was there on September 10th. And it was corroborated; CNN actually interviewed Mohammed as Zawahiri (EIJ, and Ayman al Zawahiri’s brother) and others of the above named groups in the hours before the protests, and it was exactly as in the above press translation. These groups were trying pressure to get GITMO prisoners and the blind sheikh released.

    Yet Obama lied and had his surrogates lie on his behalf for weeks that it was all about a video. Because politically he needed to say this had nothing to do with his policies.

    I knew on 9/12 these people were lying to me.

    But all this is small beer. Let’s stop looking at how Obama lies on the micro level and look at Obama’s lies on the macro level. Obama’s entire case for reelection is one, huge verifiable lie.

    1. He prevented a depression. Completely false. And he knows it. The economy was already recovering before he ever passed his stimulus and the recession was over by June 2009 before the money had been disbursed.

    Remember how Obama lamented those “shovel-ready jobs” weren’t as shovel ready as he thought? No. Of course you don’t.

    2. A slow recovery was inevitable.

    Inevitable slow recoveries?

    This argument has been batted back and forth, but a new angle occurred to me: If it was so obvious that this recovery would be slow, then the Administration’s forecasts should have reflected it. Were they saying at the time, “normally, the economy bounces back quickly after deep recessions, but it’s destined to be slow this time, because recoveries from housing “bubbles” and financial crises are always slow?”

    No, as it turns out. I went back to the historical Administration Budget proposals and found the “Economic Assumptions” in each year’s “Analytical Perspectives.” This gives the Administration’s forecast at the time. As you can see, there is nothing like an inevitable, forecastable, natural, slow recovery from a financial crisis or “housing bubble” in the administration’s forecasts.

    Again, you can attack the source. But you can check the administration’s forecasts for yourself; he links to this site:

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionGPO.action?collectionCode=BUDGET

    But of course it’s not possible to doubt that King Putt was claiming he could get the job done in his first three years or he’d be a one term proposition. Then there’s this chart from Obama’s council of economic advisers. It shows immediate recovery. Not it shows the jobless rate leveling off beginning in Q2 (June) 2009.

    So really? We’re now supposed to believe that a slow recovery was inevitable when he sold his stimulus as the only way to bring about a quick recovery?

    Plus, that chart was obvious propaganda from the start. Employment is a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator of recovery. So, again, I knew he was lying to me then. I know he’s lying to me now.

    3. He save the auto industry.

    This again is an obvious absurdity. He bailed out GM and Chrysler. Not the auto industry. Which in case it escaped your notice includes a lot more than the legacy big three. Japanese, Korean, and European makes are manufactured here in the states.

    He “saved” two companies in the old northern auto industry. And he didn’t really save them.

    General Motors Is Headed For Bankruptcy — Again

    A predictable result, as his micro-managed bailout combined the worst features of nationalization and bankruptcy.

    Of course, he didn’t save them for the taxpayers. He saved them for the UAW. And the Italians.

    Fiat’s investment plans slow Chrysler ownership

    FIAT as of the date of the article, 30 October 2012, owns 58.5% of Chrysler. And the way the Obama engineered the deal with FIAT it should be about 80% by the end of 2013 despite the title of that AP article (AP, which is why I’m not quoting it).

    4. Al Qaeda is on the run.

    Do I really need to address this nonsense? Nobody over 13 could have possibly believed that killing bin Laden would seriously impact AQ. Especially because Zawahiri has not only been the public face of that group, but most clued in people have known for years the supposed merger with the Egyptian Islamic Jihad was really a take-over.

    I’m tired of writing; I’m sure this will be a wall of text. The point of your question is absurd. You can’t believe everything anybody says.

    But Mitt Romney is a decent man and Obama is most certainly not. Obama’s a pathological liar.

    Steve57 (320590)

  119. Gateway retweets one Al Gomez JAX:

    GOP turnout 10AM 2008 58%, “could reach 85%”.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  120. Voted this morning about ten am. No line for my last name letter (there were for the other three lines, maybe ten people total.) No one same-day registering. I was surprised by how many absentee ballots had been cast on the page in the book where my signature went; usually there’s one or two, there were eight. Voted, got sticker, left. Fifteen minutes.

    Got home, found a candidate I’d voted for door-knocking. I said I’d already voted, and he said he was sorry I seemed upset about it. He got a long rant about the two party system, voters who wanted more given to them than they wanted to give to the future generations, blah, blah …. After I’d wound down he said I should be a R candidate. Well, I said, I used to be an IR, but I’m firmly pro-choice. Oh, d’oh, he said, I should have guessed that, and I bet you’re in favor of gay marriage, too, and firearms rights. There’s just no place today for people who really believe in actually doing the less government thing. We chatted a bit more and he went on down the street.

    htom (412a17)

  121. After that, he decided he needed to switch policy – but he felt he had to take the entire Democratic Party with him. He found an issue: Cambodia, and sided with the allies of Pol Pot against the North Vietnamese backed Communists who had ousted Pol Pot.

    Um, so he switched from supporting communists to…supporting communists?! BFD.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  122. #102, PA @11:27am, the three Florida SC Justices who supported Algore’s hanging chad challenge were Fred Lewis, Barbara Pariente, and Peggy Quince and all three should be rejected.

    Vote NO on Lewis, Pariente, and Quince.

    ropelight (5cc6b1)

  123. No, no, no, Milhouse, he switched from mass murdering communists to supporting mass murdering communists.

    SPQR (768505)

  124. From Twitter. Does Reince know something?

    @Reince Wishing @BarackObama a happy retirement party tonight!

    Gerald A (f26857)

  125. I heard a radio report saying there was a group called “SEAL Team Nov6″ of former SEALS and others going around Philly sites if there was a concern over voter intimidation.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  126. Bill Cunningham of “You’re a Great American!” fame, is reporting massive GOP turnout per various counties’ elections officials.

    He says Romney will take Hamilton County, which is a major shift from ’08 where BHO was +70K.

    Things looking reeeeeeal good, folks.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  127. Oops….Cunningham is a talk radio legend out of Cincinnati, OH.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  128. 102, 120…been there, did that. Didn’t know diddly about any of them but judges have too much power in Florida anyway. Neighbors are still miffed twelve years later that SCOTUS gave Fla. supremes a comeuppance on Gore vs. Bush ex-post facto voting laws changes BS.
    Friend told me there was some controversy about absentee ballots not being proper. Mine was six pages in Espanol and English. Read somewhere Creole was also supposed to be a ballot language. Too much for immigrants to learn English. Surprised the traffic signs aren’t multi-lingual too.
    So UN observers surprised no need for voter ID? The State sure makes you jump through hoops for documentation to renew driver’s license here. Three hour wait goes with it. Yeah, I’m sure its hard to get fake ID.

    Calypso Louis Farrakhan (e799d8)

  129. If Mitt wins, Justice Roberts will be able to relax his sphincter.

    mg (31009b)

  130. ropelight @ 1:02 pm Done, and done, and done.

    Not that it ever makes a difference. I’ve never seen a Justice turned out of office.

    Pious Agnostic (2c3220)

  131. 128 – People may forgive his decision, thats all.

    mg (31009b)

  132. Comment by Pious Agnostic — 11/6/2012 @ 2:12 pm

    Ask a Californio about Rose Bird!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  133. Someone told me he isn’t go to watch the election returns, because he would stay up all night. He’ll wait for tomorrow.

    You might not know results then.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  134. Now it turns out that in rural (GOP) parts of Ohio, election officials have had to rush out extra ballots. Lines are 90 minutes long as of now (6 ET).

    SOme parts of inner Cincinnati reporting 40% turnout….Hamilton County = 68% (expecting 80). HUGE GOP edge.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  135. Ed, when I voted, turnout was triple the most I can ever recall it being. I live in a conservative area.

    The shenanigans in PA are troubling and could even be decisive, but the honest folks are doing all they can.

    Dustin (73fead)

  136. I wish exit polling was illegal.

    nk (875f57)

  137. ‘Are we going to spend the next four years continuing to spend ourselves into oblivion, led by a president who will have “more flexibility”?’

    No. Reagan’s dead; Dubya’s banished to Texas and Romney’s blast from the past is just more of the same. Vanquishing 30 years of trickleldown economics will take time– four more years, at least.

    Obama by 4%. Dems keep Senate; GOP holds House but lose loonies Bachman, West et al. On deck for 2016, Hillary Clinton.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  138. You are an idiot, DCSCA, they were frugal compared to Obama’s trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. Its the Democrats who refuse to even vote for a budget.

    SPQR (66b94b)

  139. What I would like to see is DCSCA make a prediction, and if he is wrong, he quits posting his weirdnesses here.

    Simon Jester (353f27)

  140. IMP is like Tourrette’s of idiocy.

    JD (ac62a1)

  141. I really do get the impression of someone under a doctor’s care, JD.

    Simon Jester (353f27)

  142. @72.Patterico has to work under whichever of the two candidates wins the DA race, so we can infer that if he hasn’t written about the contest thus far, it’s because he’s not making any public endorsement on the Jackson VS Lacey contest.

    Not to break the rule on commenting on PF’s profession but there’s always the private sector as an option; but that’s a matter of personal choice. ‘Nuff said.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  143. he quits posting his weirdnesses here…

    that alone would be refreshing.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  144. The amount of delusions that are manifest in each of his comments only grows.

    SPQR (768505)

  145. Disco Stu and his bumblef*** spew!

    Icy (51e2f1)

  146. George Allen reported historic turnout in VA coal country.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  147. Chicago Tribune has called it:

    Dewey STILL defeats Truman!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  148. A JournoLister on a repeat loop. On acid. IMP is beyond parody.

    JD (ac62a1)

  149. ‘Are we going to spend the next four years continuing to spend ourselves into oblivion,’

    Yeah.

    For all their blather, Republicans don’t have the stones to actually reduce the size of government, and so the big spending transfer payment programs (Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid being the two big offenders) will go on, even if the Republicans take both houses and the presidency.

    And, it’s the same deal at the state and local level.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  150. Heavy turnout in MN 6th at beginning of dinner hour. This the German Catholic NW terminus of Bachmann’s territory.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  151. I have opened tonight’s official election open thread, here.

    Patterico (8b3905)

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  153. 117.Sammy, at 109: Comment by aphrael — 11/6/2012 @ 11:58 am

    Boo. Hiss. No electioneering means no electioneering.

    Someone should get them locked up for contempt of court.

    Some of the no electioneering rules are more a matter of principle than they are an attempt to deal with an actual problem, at least in this day and age.

    It’s almost like the old equal time rule which caused television stations to stop running movies with Ronald Reagan in them when he was running for office.

    In the case of that Philadelphia school – well, first, a school shouldn’t have done that with a sitting president. It wasn’t done, though, to electioneer. Then it got picked – or rather the time came – when it was used as a polling place.

    When someone pointed this out, and complained, a judge ruled you can’t have that and, well, you don’t have to move the polling place, and you don’t have to destroy the mural, but it should be covered up. For reasons of propriety.

    They should have abided by the judge’s decision, in full, but more because of respect for the law than because this mattered. It probably mattered a lot more that this was the sort of place where his mural had bene put up in the first place. But nobody was doing anything on election day.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  154. Long lines: the long lines in New York were becauyse, I think, the Board of Elections decided that this wa sthe day, this was the hour, to consoilidate election districts.

    Where I voted there were linbes and I’ve never seen lines like this before. The linbes were only to sign in. This part of the voting procedure has remained the same and they needed the same number of people. They seem too have suddenly decided to cut it in half. It took me 20 minutes to sign in.

    Once they have the ballot any number of people can prepare their ballots at the same time. And they had plenty of privacy booths. .

    There aas Also a BMD, which wasn’t being used. I used it. They actually didn’t know how to use it. someone wnet rto get help – I eventaully after aminute or two put it in myself. They know that I know.

    And they had three scanners – more than enough as it only takes 30-45 seconds at most to insert the ballot.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)


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