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11/6/2012

Chris Christie Jumps Shark

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:12 am

Ay yai yai:

Speaking Monday at a briefing on storm recovery. Gov. Chris Christie revealed he unexpectedly spoke with Bruce Springsteen earlier in the day. Christie had been discussing storm-related matters with President Barack Obama when Obama handed the phone to Springsteen, who was traveling with him as part of a campaign trip.

Christie also said he got a hug from Springsteen at Friday’s benefit concert for victims of Superstorm Sandy. …

Christie says he wept at home after talking by phone to his idol, calling it a major highlight during a tough week.

The clown is much in this one.

On one hand, I’m tempted to defend him on the grounds that people who are not from New Jersey just don’t understand the reverence for Springsteen that Jerseyites feel. (I’m not from Jersey, but I have talked to enough people who are, such that I think I get it.)

On the other hand, we’re about to have a presidential election, and Christie’s behavior and Obama-worship has been embarrassing and quite badly timed. This episode shows him to be a small man (thank you, thank you very much) — and I’m pretty sure it has eliminated any chance he’ll ever be a serious contender for the White House. And, speaking as someone who was a supporter of his, I’m OK with that.

At Hot Air Headlines, the commentary is just brutal. “Doughnut-scented manwhore” is one of the kinder comments.

101 Responses to “Chris Christie Jumps Shark”

  1. maybe if we have a trade war with china (on day one!) mitt can get a cuddle from donny osmond

    happyfeet (1b66c1)

  2. doughnut-scented manwhore is classic that deserves to stick

    happyfeet (1b66c1)

  3. Well, I guess we know who Christie thinks is going to win today.

    time123 (5250bd)

  4. I think Christie was trying to innoculate himself from criticism from the left wing media over storm coverage. But he certainly lost any respect I ever had for him which wasn’t a lot. Always thought he was a couple slices short of a loaf.

    logic (d84965)

  5. This is really not much of a surprise. His worship of Springsteen has been known for some time now. I just am surprised at the obvious manipulation of the optics that he allowed to happen. This was no coincidence.

    JD (318f81)

  6. Well, I guess we know who Christie thinks is going to win today.

    Even if he thinks Obama’s going to win I don’t get what he thinks his behavior did for him or his state.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  7. baby I hate to tell you this but you were SO not born to run

    happyfeet (1b66c1)

  8. Donut-scented manwhore

    JD (318f81)

  9. I believe that in the past Springteen has publicly snubbed Christie. I outgrew Springsteen twenty years ago, so I don’t follow these things. When did they kiss and make up?

    nk (875f57)

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  11. You can criticize him for slobbering over Obama and Springsteen; but if you posit that the Metrosexual Moron currently in the White House could actually do anything for the State of New Jersey after Sandy—well then paying attention to and offering praise of “The Prezzy” was the right thing for the Governor of New Jersey to do.

    Of course cleaning out a stopped up toilet is also the right thing to do for a hotel maid. Some jobs just have to be done.

    I’m still a Christie fan–but let’s just say that my enthusiasm for him has cooled a bit.

    Comanche Voter (29e1a6)

  12. _______________________________________________

    The clown is much in this one.

    Philosophically he’s full of squish. Beyond that, I do recall his happily lowering the flags to half-staff for Whitney Houston.

    It must be difficult for anyone with sanity to keep his or her perspective — to keep his head above water — in areas that ooze blue-state (ie, modern-day left-leaning) sentiment. So I give Christie some slack for not being totally immune to the dreaded body snatchers (ie, “liberalism is so wonderful and beautiful, so big-hearted and nuturing!”).

    Personally, I’d rather have a politician who tinkles all over Springsteen (but based on cultural aspects of the singer only, and not political ones), and yet is unhappy about matters like same-sex marriage. Regrettably, Christie apparently is kind of a goofus-doofus in both areas.

    Mark (66bba6)

  13. Oh the price you pay, oh the price you pay;
    Now you can’t walk away, from the price you pay.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  14. I think what it comes down to is that Christie wants to be governor of New Jersey. That’s the job he ran for, that’s the job he’s doing. A lot of us got all excited over him and his ‘yes, it’s a great program, but the money Just. Isn’t. There.’ style of dealing with the spendthrifts. And now a lot of us are disappointed that he isn’t doing a better job of being The Fiscal Conservative Presidential Messiah.

    We need to get over it. If it turns out that he has Presidential ambitions after all, then I’m gonna drop him like a recruit getting rid of a live grenade. But if Governor of New Jersey is really the job he wants to do, he ain’t doing all that badly. I don’t agree with him on all points, but he’s dealing with New Jersey and he’s doing it pretty well.

    C. S. P. Schofield (fdfc57)

  15. I cut Christie a lot of slack on this.

    Right now there is real value in ending Obama’s reign on a “good note.” Christie is glad-handing and shoulder-patting Obama as he walks the one-term President towards the Exit-door. Like cod-liver oil to the hardened hemorrhoid, shallow gestures of amiability from oleaginous politicians can ease an unwanted clot off a nation’s political stage.

    And, it plays well to urban east-coasters who may one day face a Christie candidacy. I like what he’s done with NJ’s budget so far, so anything that increases the population of his Ryan-esque budget hawkery on the Left Coast is welcome to me.

    steveaz (4ec4a3)

  16. Oops! “Population of …” should be “popularity of…”

    Gulp!

    steveaz (4ec4a3)

  17. I’m gonna throw up

    happyfeet (1b66c1)

  18. Stepping back a few paces, I wonder what effect Christie could have on Obama.

    Amphipolis (d3e04f)

  19. At Hot Air Headlines, the commentary is just brutal.

    Always is.

    I’m not even from Jersey, but when I saw Bruuuuuce jump on stage with the Gaslight Anthem to play ’59 Sound, I got a little misty.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  20. You mean like if he fell on him?

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  21. I wonder what word in my post about Springsteen playing the ’59 Sound on stage with the Gaslight Anthem caused my post to be moderated?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcYG2IDhIWk

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  22. Election’s almost over. The RINOs are starting to let their liberal show.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  23. TMI!

    It’s one thing to cry, but why didn’t he just keep that bit of info to himself?

    Sure he had to suck up for federal funds, but he went too far. It’s going to take a while to walk that back.

    Prediction: he will become the new GOP media darling, ala pre-2008 McCain. You can guess the rest.

    Patricia (e1d89d)

  24. 7. Chris Farley Chippendale.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  25. _____________________________________________

    You mean like if he fell on him?

    LOL. That’s not nice. However, Christie’s obesity is way over-the-top.

    I’m not being flippant when I ask whether he eats massive amounts of food everyday or just has a very sluggish metabolism. Still, I wouldn’t mind seeing Christy traveling across the Hudson and falling on Michael “Big-Nanny” Bloomberg.

    Mark (66bba6)

  26. Christie would do just about anything to get help to his people. This needs to be seen in that context. I think that a lot changed for Christie when he saw that devastation. He figured that he could get help quicker by being deferential than by being hostile. I don’t think he cares one wit about the long-term political consequences. Understandably short-sighted.

    He’s from New Jersey. He tends to be a bit over the top with his language. I don’t think this will hurt Romney.

    Amphipolis (d3e04f)

  27. the poor shark must’ve been looking up thinking oh save me shark jesus

    happyfeet (1b66c1)

  28. I am overweight myself, so I think I’m allowed to say this, but Christie would have to lose a lot of weight if he were to run. I am sorry to have to say it, but people who are that heavy die young.

    Sam Kinnison, Chris Farley, it’s just a horrible strain on your health being that heavy.

    kinlaw (2fb87c)

  29. ___________________________________________

    I am sorry to have to say it, but people who are that heavy die young.

    When I’ve seen really overweight people, I often wonder how much money they spend on food per day, per month. That question is rarely or never asked.

    In the case of grotesquely obese people, who are bed-ridden, and who are undoubtedly unemployed (or living off a trust fund, etc), there always is an enabler (a spouse, parent, friend) lurking in the background. In such instances I can’t help but wonder why the caretaker doesn’t yell: “Cut down on the eating because my budget can’t afford it!!!” And if such enablers don’t want to say that, then they’ve to be similar to clueless liberals or, in particular, greedy politicians who want a fat, sloppy government.

    Mark (66bba6)

  30. 29. With Kinnison, like Onan and Er, I think the Big Guy had just had enuf.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  31. Mark – whatvtfey are eating is as much or more if an issue than the volume.

    JD (8e5a8c)

  32. Christie couldn’t jump a shark even if he was riding a supercharged jet-ski!

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  33. Sometimes I really wonder what people are thinking. The way Christie gave 0bama the credit he was due for doing his job on the first day of the storm was exactly right. It’s called class. Mentchlichkeit. As well as that reaching-across-the-aisle thing that Romney’s been talking up. It’s also called doing the right thing for your state, by sucking up to someone who can help it. It did credit to him and to the GOP.

    His open Springsteen-worship has already been mentioned here, and last time Patterico was all in favour of it, and said “Christie comes off very well [...] Christie shows himself to be — I can’t help it — the bigger man”. So what has changed? Just because there’s an election on?!

    What I was expecting was criticism of Christie for his imposition of price controls and rationing, in defiance of the founding principle of modern liberalism (now known as conservatism), which is freedom of trade. Adam Smith pointed out 236 years ago that it’s thanks to “hoarders” and “speculators” and “price gougers” that famine had become something that one read about in history, or one heard about happening in other places. That is a substantive point on which Christie deserves criticism, and should be remembered against him if he ever runs for president. So if you must attack him, why not on that?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  34. And lay off the fat thing. His weight and his health are his own business and nobody else’s.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  35. “The Five’ mocked Springsteen relentlessly. Nobody over 20 dresses like a pirate. Christie’s obsession with this bum is pathetic.
    Admit as a younger man I liked Springsteen and enjoyed a few concerts; he is very good. But at some point every song about the down-on-his-luck ne’er do well by a guy who has been millionaire for over 40 years gets beyond redundant.

    Bugg (c8b43a)

  36. Sorry to disagree milhouse: the (possible) future president’s health IS the county’s business.

    kinlaw (2fb87c)

  37. Governor Gobble is so fat he puts mayonnaise on aspirin
    His cereal bowl came with a lifeguard
    His hs yearbook picture is an aerial photograph
    He can lie down or stand up and his height never changes
    The horse on his ‘polo’ shirt is real
    When his beeper goes off people think he’s backing up
    When the Police showed him pictures of his feet, he couldn’t recognize them
    mmm….

    pdbuttons (631b6d)

  38. I denounce myself

    pdbuttons (631b6d)

  39. Springsteen’s songs all sound the same.
    Like Gordon Lightfoot, Bob Seger, Donny Osmond.

    mg (31009b)

  40. I’ve said this before/but it’s a killer quote
    They[?] asked Ray Davies what he thought of Bruce Springbomb, and he said
    ” I don’t drive”

    pdbuttons (631b6d)

  41. With some caveats based on earlier lifestyle choices and overall health, we might have thought someone like fitness guru James Fixx would last beyond age fifty two and Sir Winston Churchill would not make it into his nineties, what with all the cigars, booze and extra weight.

    As far as man love for Springsteen, how is that much different from the millions even today to continue to worship Choom and shout out Oh Bah Muh at those nazi-type rallies?
    Tell me the NJ First Lady is not also a lardass? As for Bruce, wasn’t he whoring around on his wife and picking up groupies to bang? Family values indeed, but I suppose he cannot help himself being such a powerful man like Billy Clinton. But I digress. Still, I wonder just what is the truth about the life and death of Vince Foster vis a vis Hillary. Or what she has in common beyond a cheating spouse, with the sidekick exotic moslem Huma Abedin married to the Jew sexter Anthony Weiner?

    Calypso Louis Farrakhan (e799d8)

  42. 35. In all fairness to Neuter, he didn’t have his hand on SF Nan’s thigh cavorting on that couch.

    Michele B. can hardly help her crazy eyes. Ricky P. can’t help his good hair and Sara P. has hubbies craning their necks where ever she goes.

    It hurts when pipple hate you for God’s gifts and fails to love you for what you done with ‘em.

    Get.over.it.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  43. Just heard Frank Luntz on Dennis Miller. He says Romney will win by 0.5% in the popular vote but can’t project the all important EV winner because he doesn’t know what’s going to happen in OH. He doesn’t share Barone’s views on the swing states.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  44. Chris Christie never was a seerious contender, and some time ago said he wasn’t ready for the presidency. (of course that onlky applied to the 2008 election)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  45. Now we know why Christie was thanking Obama for all he was doing for New Jersey. After all, arranging the Springsteen meet was aiding New Jersey, right?

    Davod (8bf616)

  46. de Rugy:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332604/governor-christies-misguided-1970s-policies-veronique-de-rugy

    44. Not to worry, IA, MN, MI, PA and maybe WI will all be closer than OH.

    Case in point, early voting in Dane and Waukesha Counties in WI are a mirror of June recall election.

    Walker won by 7. In 2004 OH was D+0 and Booosh won by 3.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  47. and I’m pretty sure it has eliminated any chance he’ll ever be a serious contender for the White House. And, speaking as someone who was a supporter of his, I’m OK with that.

    +100

    Let’s see if Christie is as quick to hammer Obama and FEMA for the Katrina like performance that is playing out before our eyes. Wait until the storm hits on Wednesday and people are still without power, heat, water, food and gas.

    That is the problem of pleading with the federal government for what the President thinks of as a handout that deserves fealty in return. Get up off your knees, Chris.

    in_awe (7c859a)

  48. If the ads, and the campaigninmg on the automobile bailout issue are working in Obama’s favor, Ohio might not fall as expected in relation to otehr states.

    Campaiugning can alter results in bellweather states without altering them in otehr states.

    The stgate of Missouri had voted for the winner in every Presidential election since 1904.

    There was one exception during the 20th century.

    It was not during a close election.

    It was 1956 – a year in which Eisenhower did better agauinst Adlai Stevenson than he had done in 1956.

    But he carried Missouri in 1952 and lost it in 1956.

    I understand the reason was Harry S Truman and others did a lot of campaigning against Eisenhower or for Stevenson in Missouri that year.

    So they carried the bellweather state of Missouri – and not much else.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  49. Wait until the storm hits on Wednesday and people are still without power, heat, water, food and gas.

    At least it’s a week later and there are neap tides.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  50. @44

    Luntz is an attention whore.

    His “undecideds during the debate” dog and pony show was a joke.

    kinlaw (2fb87c)

  51. I’d also cut Christie a bit of slack, but he really could have been less enthusiastic about Obama. He should also have known that Obama cares a LOT more about his re-election than people in New Jersey.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  52. @52

    I’d also cut Christie a bit of slack, but he really could have been less enthusiastic about Obama. He should also have known that Obama cares a LOT more about his re-election than people in New Jersey.

    Comment by Kevin M

    I am not hacking on him for being respectful, but for gushing.

    kinlaw (2fb87c)

  53. 34. Sometimes I really wonder what people are thinking. The way Christie gave 0bama the credit he was due for doing his job on the first day of the storm was exactly right. It’s called class. Mentchlichkeit.

    Comment by Milhouse — 11/6/2012 @ 8:12 am

    I’m sure you do. I take it you’re from the region?

    His behavior wasn’t proper; he didn’t have to give Obama a tongue bath to be a “mensch.” But he did. He went way overboard.

    He’s killing his chances with the rest of the country. Sorry you can’t understand that.

    And as I said on the other thread, given his instincts he’s going to keep it up for the rest of his term.

    He’s already toast. Soon he’ll be cinders.

    Steve57 (320590)

  54. I just wonder what Obama will be saying about Christie next year when Christie is up for re-election. I wouldn’t expect it to be too favorable.

    Joshua (9ede0e)

  55. Sometimes I really wonder what people are thinking.

    This seems to be a common problem in NYC, its immediate environs, New Jersey, and major metropolitan news rooms.

    Nanny Bloomberg is actually trying to become a national political figure by becoming the counterweight to the NRA:

    “There has never really been an effective counterweight to the NRA — at least in terms of dollars, cents and the ability to get a message out,” said Stefan Friedman, a spokesman for Bloomberg’s new super PAC, Independence USA.

    I’m sure this plays well in Bloomie’s NYC echo chamber. But it’s a joke to the rest of the country. First of all, the echo chamber tells him there’s a market for his message? His echo chamber tells him that this doesn’t reflect the arrogance of this nanny-knows-best that one man believes he needs be the counterweight to millions of citizens who form the NRA? (You really have to see the smug look on this liberal puritan in the linked article, it reveals the shrivelled soul of the ghoul).

    On top of it all, the guy who wants to disarm everyone, then tell you how much salt you can eat, transfats that can be in your food, and how big a soda you can buy names his superpac “Independence USA.”

    Yeah, I’m sure a lot of people in that region don’t understand what the troglodytes beyond the outer boroughs are thinking.

    Here it is: keep that contagion to yourselves if you like it.

    Hey, by the way, are those generators still sitting idle in Central Park or is Bloomie too busy trying to foist gun control on the rest of the country to think about it?

    Steve57 (320590)

  56. Chris Christie talking about Bruce Springsteen sounds like me talking about Kurt Cobain…..when I was 16 years old, that is. Jesus, man, grow the hell up!!!

    radar (3a664a)

  57. 55. I just wonder what Obama will be saying about Christie next year when Christie is up for re-election. I wouldn’t expect it to be too favorable.

    Comment by Joshua — 11/6/2012 @ 9:27 am

    Obama’s M.O. has always been, “If you go along with my program today, in exchange I’ll give you this I.O.U. that I intend never to make good on tomorrow.”

    That was one of the things that had me dumbstruck about McCain. I’m not going to do an internet search to find references. But as Senators McCain promised to cross the aisle and support legislation that Obama supported (I know, big surprise considering it’s “Maverick), in return Obama pledged to cross the aisle and support legislation that McCain had sponsored. McCain kept his word. When it was time for Obama to make good on his word Obama told him he had to support his party’s leadership and oppose the legislation.

    McCain sent him a scathing letter. Yet he still campaigned praising Obama’s decency.

    Anyhoo, that’s how Obama’s always operated. Anyone with a passing familiarity about his political career would have known that. Which is why it was no surprise he broke all those campaign promises.

    Only suckers believe a word that guy says. Christie, I see, is eager to join the list.

    Steve57 (320590)

  58. As has been said, Christie better hope that O wins, as his future in a Romney GOP might be severely limited.
    In a TEA-Party GOP, he’s dead!

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  59. Well the nub of it, was McCain was going to abide by the Campaign finance rules, as long as Obama did, guess what happened, he was buried 8-1 in round the clock advertising,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  60. narciso @60, that’s it exactly. I found McCain’s letter:

    February 6, 2006

    The Honorable Barack Obama
    United States Senate
    SH-713
    Washington, DC 20510

    Dear Senator Obama:

    I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again.

    As you know, the Majority Leader has asked Chairman Collins to hold hearings and mark up a bill for floor consideration in early March. I fully support such timely action and I am confident that, together with Senator Lieberman, the Committee on Governmental Affairs will report out a meaningful, bipartisan bill.

    You commented in your letter about my “interest in creating a task force to further study” this issue, as if to suggest I support delaying the consideration of much-needed reforms rather than allowing the committees of jurisdiction to hold hearings on the matter. Nothing could be further from the truth. The timely findings of a bipartisan working group could be very helpful to the committee in formulating legislation that will be reported to the full Senate. Since you are new to the Senate, you may not be aware of the fact that I have always supported fully the regular committee and legislative process in the Senate, and routinely urge Committee Chairmen to hold hearings on important issues. In fact, I urged Senator Collins to schedule a hearing upon the Senate’s return in January.

    Furthermore, I have consistently maintained that any lobbying reform proposal be bipartisan. The bill Senators Joe Lieberman and Bill Nelson and I have introduced is evidence of that commitment as is my insistence that members of both parties be included in meetings to develop the legislation that will ultimately be considered on the Senate floor. As I explained in a recent letter to Senator Reid, and have publicly said many times, the American people do not see this as just a Republican problem or just a Democratic problem. They see it as yet another run-of-the-mill Washington scandal, and they expect it will generate just another round of partisan gamesmanship and posturing. Senator Lieberman and I, and many other members of this body, hope to exceed the public’s low expectations. We view this as an opportunity to bring transparency and accountability to the Congress, and, most importantly, to show the public that both parties will work together to address our failings.

    As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.

    Sincerely,

    John McCain
    United States Senate

    The situation wasn’t exactly as I remembered, but close enough.

    That was the dismaying thing. McCain had been had once. Then he let himself be had again during the campaign. And people knew it.

    It was really hard to get excited about a candidate who was lackluster in the personality department, was perennially willing to screw his own base to cross the aisle, and then proved to be a gullible old fool.

    As an aside, what’s up with CBS? They had this letter as well as NBC, downloaded at the time from Obama’s now defunct senatorial website. And they copyrighted it! “All rights reserved.” There was nothing proprietary, just the public document from a government website. The dinosaur media has hubris but not competence.

    Steve57 (320590)

  61. He was also the one who ‘torpedoed’ immigration reform, with bogus amendments on guest worker, yet
    McCain who nearly went broke, working on that issue, yadda, yadda.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  62. The dinosaur media has hubris but not competence.

    That’s what you get when people are “credentialed, but not educated”!

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  63. I don’t expect CC to be hurt by his resort to comity anymore than I expect his region of the country to be pumped of effluent.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  64. cc will end up on morning joe, so he can see what mika’s wearing.

    mg (31009b)

  65. Bloated, bloviating, self-absorbed, small-minded, rage-fueled, erratic, undisciplined, disloyal. What’s not to like?

    Rubio ’16!

    Kevin Stafford (1d1b9e)

  66. Christie wants to be the nominee in 2016. He sat out 2012 being 1) not ready and 2) fairly sure whoever it was would lose

    I suspect he was right about both, and will position himself as a strong contender in 2016. The anger about this will be long forgot in 2016.

    Truthie (8df792)

  67. Christie has no chance of being nominated as President for GOP and knows it.

    SPQR (768505)

  68. Really? If Romney can get the nomination, I think Christie is a cinch….

    Truthie (8df792)

  69. ’16?

    The GOP nominee will be Romney for a 2nd Term!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  70. “Sometimes I really wonder what people are thinking. The way Christie gave 0bama the credit he was due for doing his job on the first day of the storm was exactly right. It’s called class. Mentchlichkeit. As well as that reaching-across-the-aisle thing that Romney’s been talking up. It’s also called doing the right thing for your state, by sucking up to someone who can help it. It did credit to him and to the GOP.”

    - Milhouse

    Well said. The effect of these elections is truly poisonous. It’s one of the reasons I haven’t been around much over the last 8 months or so.

    If you guys want to have a Two Minutes Hate for Chris Christie because he didn’t use the platform of a natural disaster to whore your smirking windsock of a candidate hard enough, that’s your business – but it’s really, really petty.

    I’m halfway rooting for Romney so that we can go back to having reasonable conversations on this blog.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  71. 61. I didn’t know about this.

    That’s a nice satirical letter:

    Senator McCain to Senator Obama February 6, 2006:

    I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere….

    ….Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again…..

    ….But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.

    You might have thought Obama didn’t have much of a record in the United States Senate, but he did, a little.

    This would have been a great (character) issue.

    You know, he does virtually nothing but posturing, even though he does have a couple of issues, he probably sort of believes in.

    He exemplifies and incorporates all the dishonesty in the Democratic Party on political issues – almost always on the issues (which he will not turn into a personal attack – he gives them credit for being sincere)

    However, he also sometimes is dishonest in campaigning against an opponent, although there the particular lines of personal attack are not transferable from one opponent to another.

    They are more in the nature of someone being out of touch and maybe uncaring than being evil.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  72. When Stephanie Cutter starts speaking in a civil manner about Mitt Romney and Republicans, I’ll reciprocate about Barack Obama and Democrats.

    I don’t think that will ever come about.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  73. AD-RtR: so someone else’s bad behavior excuses bad behavior on your part?

    aphrael (f1d203)

  74. Comment by Leviticus — 11/6/2012 @ 12:15 pm

    I’m halfway rooting for Romney so that we can go back to having reasonable conversations on this blog.

    That may be a necessary, but not a sufficient, condition, for the whole country to have reasonable conversations about federal political issues.

    You still have to deal with Harry Reid.

    Since Jimmy Carter, the democratic Party, on a national level, has been completely dishonest.

    A lot went on during the time Reagan was president, but now the political infighting is really really, bad.

    This will not end until blame is assigned and assigned correctly: Democrats, not Republicans, although Republicans can be stupid, and ideologues.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  75. Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! — 11/6/2012 @ 12:23 pm

    When Stephanie Cutter starts speaking in a civil manner about Mitt Romney and Republicans, I’ll reciprocate about Barack Obama and Democrats.

    You should always speak and write truthfully, and civilly, about people in office. I do, and I try to knock down ideas that I just don’t think are correct.

    I don’t think that wil

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  76. Comment by narciso — 11/6/2012 @ 10:20 am

    He was also the one who ‘torpedoed’ immigration reform, with bogus amendments on guest worker, yet
    McCain who nearly went broke, working on that issue, yadda, yadda.

    Exactly, exactly. In 2007.

    Although it was in trouble anyway once the compromisers agreed to a quota. That alone killed it.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  77. .Comment by Steve57 — 11/6/2012 @ 9:51 am

    Yet he still campaigned praising Obama’s decency.

    It’s not decent (or at leasst honorable) to do that kind of stuff.

    Obama did have a good family life, oince he got married.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  78. #72 The great irony re: McCain’s self-righteous letter is that he one-upped Obama for self-serving manipulative hackery when he tried the whole “suspend my [boo-fooed] presidential campaign to attend to my duties as a senator” trick. Well played, McCain.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  79. Leviticus, stop, take a deep breath, and think for a minute.

    Doesn’t it occur to you given your very liberal prism that you are the last person who should be determining for the GOP base if Christie’s conduct was “exactly right?”

    Bobby Jindal didn’t “diss” the Preezy when Obama visited the state during Louisiana’s disaster (the BP oil spill). But he didn’t ruin his future in the GOP by going overboard like Christie did.

    For instance, take your “two minutes of hate” comment.

    Sure we’re having fun at his expense. He wept after speaking to Springsteen? And he wanted people to know that? That’s just weird in 49 of the 50 states. It may help him in Jersey, but it’s ridiculous everywhere else.

    But as far as most people here are concerned Christie’s probably the best we can expect of a Republican governor of NJ. Sort of like Scott Brown is probably the best we can expect for a Mass. Senator.

    They’re better than a Corzine or a Kennedy.

    But neither Christie or Brown will ever be viable candidates for President. Not with the records they are establishing.

    But in addition to Christie’s record he didn’t help himself by being such an enthusiastic member of the cast for Obama’s very obvious campaign stop to exploit Sandy.

    Or do you really believe his visit to the area served any other purpose than to counterbalance the well deserved criticism Obama’s been getting over Benghazi where his chair in the situation room was empty? So instead he decided to fill it and look Presidential. For a change.

    As I said earlier, as long as the contagion is confined to places like NJ and they like I’m fine. But I can still laugh at it.

    Steve57 (320590)

  80. I’m halfway rooting for Romney so that we can go back to having reasonable conversations on this blog.

    Comment by Leviticus — 11/6/2012 @ 12:15 pm

    You do realize the MFM is going to go into rabid attack dog mode if Romney wins, don’t you?

    Especially if his margin in the meaningless national popular vote is narrow. They’ll be shrieking his victory was somehow illegitimate.

    Another thing to consider; Obama won’t be going anywhere. Someone asked the question here, “what kind of ex-President will Obama be?”

    I said Carter to the tenth power, without the redeeming qualities like Habitat for Humanity.

    But there’s another thing. When Carter received his drubbing he had the good sense to know he was done. Obama won’t. He can still serve a second term like Grover Cleveland, the 22nd and 24th President.

    How much does anyone want to bet the former narcissist-in-chief keeps campaigning for the next four years?

    Good luck with your post-Romney wish, Leviticus. And, by the way, you’re not exactly the model of decorum you imagine you are. But, again, I’m sure that’s the view through your prism.

    Steve57 (320590)

  81. Leviticus: People are angry at Christie cause it is the last days of the campaign and they take it very seriously. Its kinda “silly season”. I promise NONE of this will be remembered in four years. So if Romney loses, when Christie runs in 2016 you will not hear about Sandy much at all, if at all.

    Truthie (8df792)

  82. Here’s how I see it: Obama’s given indication up to this point that his administration is petty and rotten.

    They administer the government in unfair ways or even crooked ways, based on politics.

    Christie’s treatment of Obama comes at a time he needs Obama’s administration to help his state recover from disaster.

    I think he’s simply putting his state’s needs over the presidential election.

    Also, if credit is earned, even for Obama, then give him credit. By all means. This election should boil down to national security, Obamacare, deficits, and economic failure. Obama should lose even if he did help New Jersey.

    I’m sure Christie was aware he would be blasted by Rush Limbaugh et al for his conduct. I doubt he is worried about it.

    I should add I’ve never had any illusions about Christie being a loyal conservative footsoldier. He just isn’t. Very few successful NE Republicans are.

    Breaking ranks once in a while is leadership. Good for Christie for showing some.

    Dustin (73fead)

  83. I’m halfway rooting for Romney so that we can go back to having reasonable conversations on this blog.

    Comment by Leviticus — 11/6/2012 @ 12:15 pm

    Other than when a psychotic troll like P.Tillman shows up, who accuses most everyone here of being in favor of terrorists or something, the conversations have been as reasonable here as anyone could want.

    And when/if Romney wins the trolls will be as bad as ever.

    Maybe the P.Tillman’s are what you are referring to, but I don’t get the sense that’s what you mean.

    Gerald A (f26857)

  84. 82. “So if Romney loses, when Christie runs in 2016″

    As long as we’re covering every possibility, what about Johnson winning? I say CBS gives Christie Letterman’s chair.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  85. Christie doesn’t stand much of a chance in the next primary against Scott Walker.

    Dustin (73fead)

  86. “If you guys want to have a Two Minutes Hate for Chris Christie because he didn’t use the platform of a natural disaster to whore your smirking windsock of a candidate hard enough…”

    Actually, I detest him because he’s a totalitarian statist who would create a gigantic government that would spy on me and take my guns away, but wouldn’t issue me a wefare check, ’cause that would be fiscally unwise.

    I don’t care if he pats Obambi on the back when El Jefe actually does something that’s semi-right, nor do I care if he has atrocious taste in music.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  87. Dustin nails it with his Christie comments. I wonder though if Walker would even run. He doesnt seem like a national candidate to me.

    Truthie (8df792)

  88. JQHiK6 Thanks so much for the post.Thanks Again. Great.

    bookmarking service (9ace40)

  89. 84. “Reasonable” as in Tahir Square is full of unemployed falafal chefs and students and talk waxes quixotic around an ‘Arab Spring’, democracy coming to Egypt and Tunisia, and moderate Muslim B’hood is swallowed up in humanist victory?

    Don’t miss it, you?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  90. Comment by aphrael — 11/6/2012 @ 12:26 pm

    When they stop lying about me, I’ll stop telling the truth about them.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  91. Does Chris Christie sweat a lot?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  92. BTW, I challenge any and all to point out where I have lied about this administration and its cohorts.
    If what I point out reflects unfavorably on Barry & Co., it is only due to their own actions.

    I am only the messenger.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  93. he’s a totalitarian statist who would create a gigantic government that would spy on me and take my guns away, but wouldn’t issue me a wefare check, ’cause that would be fiscally unwise.

    That’s not how I would phrase it, but that isn’t baseless.

    Christie represents the very edge of the tent, in my book.

    The problem is: if we few reasonable conservatives leave the tent and start our own (or join the libertarian movement or whatever), we’re left with a tiny tent that accomplishes nothing. I guess we’re better off influencing the GOP, but it takes infinite patience.

    I’m just enthusiastic about Obama being defeated handily tonight.

    Dustin (73fead)

  94. AD, indeed there is no need to lie, Obama’s actual actions form the basis for our contempt for him. Obama has to actually lie about Romney.

    SPQR (768505)

  95. Remonstrations that Amerikkka return to civil discourse on political themes and personages will require a national catharsis.

    Said expurgation may only begin in vomiting the Alien back to whatever foreign borehole he wants to call home.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  96. I can’t wait to find out who won I’m super curious

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  97. ‘Christie’s behavior and Obama-worship has been embarrassing and quite badly timed.’

    =yawn= Badly timed? Yeah, it’s God’s fault. Not Christie’s. You’re blowin’ hot gas out the aft end of your service module, Patterico. <– ‘The clown is much in this one’ In-frigging-deed; you ‘endless summer,’ California bozos have been out in the hot, dry sun way too long.

    Christie did the right thing at the right time for the citizens of his state: his job.

    The economics of Jersey are easy to research. Suffice to say the small state is really two regions- North and South; industrial and rural, respectively, and the Jersey Shore is a major moneymaker, albeit seasonal, from May to September for businesses along the coast and their suppliers throughout the tri-state area.

    NJ (and the NE region) needs cooporation from the Feds for months, if not years, to rebuild. In the immediacy of Sandy’s destruction, Romney can do nothing. Obama can.

    Perhaps as a CA rez, you have little-to-no-experience with a major storm of Sandy’s magnitude or the widespread devastation sustained hurricane-force winds and water damage- especially salt water damage- causes to aging properties down the antiquated infrastructure chain in the Northeast. It’s not like buldozing and rebuilding after a wild fire or quake under warm, sunny California skies. Flooding, particularly salt water, ruins everything– from lawns to farmlands. Nothing it touches is salvagable. Appliances, electrics, cars, gas and power lines; sewage and plumbing lines; home insulation and so on. The salt water is as bad as the storm itself and only aggravates the situation as temperatures drop, daylight shortens and winter approaches, not to mention the inevitable run of regular winter storms. Incomes plummet. Insurance rates soar.

    If you understood the economic geography of Jersey, you’d comprehend why Christie’s proactive response deserves high praise. So he got a nod and a hug from the Boss. They both love their state and what it has to offer and both know the losses incurred. DCSCA’s no fan of Christie’s politics but the Gov’na’s earned and deserves high praise for his response to his state’s massive emergency. And the best damn concerts ever given the world were courtesy of two Jersey boys: Springsteen and Sinatra. And when California gets the ‘Big One’ and the state shakes to the ground, you can bet your azz Springsteen, Christie and folks in Jersey, NYC and all along the Northeast will be among the first to send help. That’s what Americans do.

    ‘I have talked to enough people who are [from NJ,] such that I think I get it.’ Think again.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  98. “Good luck with your post-Romney wish, Leviticus. And, by the way, you’re not exactly the model of decorum you imagine you are. But, again, I’m sure that’s the view through your prism.”

    - Steve57

    It’s not about “decorum.” It’s about discourse. In this forum, one of us has a history of productive conversations with people that disagree with him. You can ask around to try to find out if it’s you.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  99. I agree with this.

    Joseph D (df2d9e)


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