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11/5/2012

Report: Valerie Jarrett Helping with Secret Talks Between U.S. and Iran

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:36 pm



She has Secret Service protection. I wonder if this is why:

A Chicago lawyer is the key player behind the secret talks between the US and Iran. Yedioth Ahronoth reported Monday. A close friend of Michelle Obama, Valerie Jarrett is assisting the US government communicate behind the scenes with the representatives of Iran’s supreme leader Ali Khamenei.

Jarret[t], who was born in the Iranian city of Shiraz, is a senior advisor to US President Barack Obama.

He’ll have more flexibility after the election.

A lot more.

71 Responses to “Report: Valerie Jarrett Helping with Secret Talks Between U.S. and Iran”

  1. Click the link if you didn’t already.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  2. You got me.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3. I’m uncomfortable with the 18th-century assumption that her having been born in Iran makes her naturally loyal to the Iranians today. I know our founders assumed it, but it seems so quaint. She’s a malign force in Washington, but no more so than if she’d been born in Chicago.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  4. True, Bill Ayers born to a utilities scion, in the good old USA, had the same attitude,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  5. jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=289859
    The case for President Obama’s reelection
    By ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ

    “The Obama administration has strongly supported Israel’s security by helping to construct the Iron Dome, by backing Israel’s responses to rocket attacks from Gaza and by coordinating closely with its military.”

    guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/05/israel-iran-brussels-nuclear-conference
    Israeli and Iranian officials are taking part in a on nuclear proliferation meeting in Brussels on Monday in the hope of paving the way for a full international conference in the next few months on banning nuclear arms and other weapons of mass destruction from the Middle East.”

    Please don’t talk about foreign policy. You’re not serious enough.

    Israeli poll finds majority would be in favour of ‘apartheid’ policies
    Two-thirds say Palestinians should not be allowed to vote if West Bank was annexed, while three in four favour segregated roads

    It’s a mess, but you don’t know enough to comment and you don’t really care. Stop embarrassing yourself

    sleeeepy (b5f718)

  6. I’m uncomfortable with the 18th-century assumption that her having been born in Iran makes her naturally loyal to the Iranians today

    That’s because it’s an idiotic assumption.

    Dustin (73fead)

  7. Anyway, all the Iranians I know hate the Iranian regime.

    A desire for Iran’s best interests is the exact opposite of loyalty to Iran’s government.

    Obama had his chance to be a great man and support Iran when she took a chance. We did nothing.

    It’s a good thing foreigners helped Americans when we stood up to our British tyrants, or the world would be a very different place.

    Dustin (73fead)

  8. Or you can take the great grandson of Alexander Graham Bell, Walter Myers, who was a spy for the Cuban Govt for 30 years

    narciso (ee31f1)

  9. Assumptions/Gate of Vienna

    pdbuttons (631b6d)

  10. sleeeepy, the king of googl’ing up stuff he doesn’t understand, tells Patterico that he doesn’t know enough to comment.

    I think my ribs are hurting from laughing.

    SPQR (768505)

  11. Gates/excuuuuuuuse me

    pdbuttons (631b6d)

  12. Jarrett’s patriotism isn’t the point to me, Milhouse. I don’t know how she feels about her Iranian heritage but using her as the envoy — when she has no background in that area — suggests Obama is willing to use her heritage to convince the Iranians that she is more open-minded or sympathetic to them.

    Isn’t that Obama’s method, e.g., when he used his background to suggest to Arab and Islamic countries that he would be more open to them than other American Presidents?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  13. NOBODY is more “serious” than sleeeeeeeeeeepy.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  14. I’m uncomfortable with the 18th-century assumption that her having been born in Iran makes her naturally loyal to the Iranians today.

    Me too.

    But, what DRJ said.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  15. Why is it this iranian bitch gets more security than ambassadors?

    mg (31009b)

  16. Its a common feature of the inept Presidents that they use close insiders of no foreign policy experience as “foreign policy experts” or envoys in their administration. Its because they are incompetent executives and don’t know how to make the institutions follow their policies. No surprise to see hints of that with the Empty Suit(tm).

    SPQR (768505)

  17. mg:

    Why is it this iranian b**** gets more security than ambassadors?

    Probably because Jarrett has been the American envoy to Iran for a year or more. The more important question is why we’re negotiating with what the U.S. State Department calls the most active state sponsor of terrorism.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  18. Hey, c’mon, sleeeepy said you’re stupid and you shouldn’t comment. Don’t you people know to obey your betters?

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  19. What Iranian heritage? She’s Iranian in exactly the same way that the Sprouse twins are Italian and Ted Cruz is Canadian. Her parents happened to be there when she was born. She has no known Persian ancestors.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  20. Slurpy is telling the host he shouldn’t post or comment on his own site? How cute.

    JD (318f81)

  21. DRJ

    Considering the tenious hold the mulla’s have on the country – I am shocked that a woman was accepted as an envoy

    EPWJ (4380b4)

  22. Its a common feature of the inept Presidents that they use close insiders of no foreign policy experience as “foreign policy experts” or envoys in their administration.

    An envoy, especially in a sensitive area, should be someone close to the president, who has his ear and speaks with his voice. That’s a lot more important than expertise. That’s why the important ambassadorships go to presidential friends, not to state dept careerists. The problem with Jarrett isn’t that she’s not a policy wonk, or where she was born, it’s that she’s a Marxist anti-Westerner.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  23. Milhouse,

    Our heritage comes from our family and from where we’re born. Jarrett’s family committed to helping Iran and Iranians by operating a clinic there, and she was born there. That ties her the country, even if none of her ancestors were from there … just as people born in America are Americans, even if all their ancestors came from other places.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  24. I have a great many worries about what harms Valerie Jarrett has already inflicted upon the United States in the last four years, including but by no means limited to its foreign policies and affairs. I have a great many fears about what she and her comrade the POTUS will do in the next four years if Obama is reelected.

    But none of my worries or fears has to do with the possibility of her being a knowing agent of the government of Iran.

    And I don’t think Obama thinks that because of the accident of her Iranian birth she’ll somehow be more competent to advise or assist him about Iran. But I definitely do think that Obama and Plouffe and Axelrod and Jarrett all think that this may become for them the next kind of “birther”-type distraction that, if he’s reelected, they’ll still need during a second term to keep him from being impeached. Since I’m presumptively a hard-core racist already, I can even invoke Uncle Remus’ tale of Br’er Rabbit’s pleas to the Tar Baby not to please not throw him in that briar patch.

    Folks, as with Nazi Germany in the 1930s, it’s not the tiny and subtle secrets that we need be concerned about, it’s the huge honkingly obvious ones. It’s not that Valerie Jarrett is secretly an Iranian agent, it’s that Obama’s perfectly willing to dither until Iran gets their Bomb anyway.

    Beldar (cee64e)

  25. “Valerie Jarrett is assisting the US government communicate behind the scenes with the representatives of Iran’s supreme leader Ali Khamenei.”

    Good choice. Nothing like having some nimrod with exactly zero training or experience in foreign service helping out on secret negotiations with a hostile foreign power.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  26. As for the Iranians accepting a woman as an envoy — of course they wouldn’t.

    But as far as the Iranians are concerned, this isn’t diplomacy, this is theater.

    Beldar (cee64e)

  27. Milhouse,

    I don’t agree an envoy needs a personal connection with the President more than diplomatic skills, but apparently President Obama agrees with you. He definitely seems to like special envoys more than other Presidents. (Here is a list of his current special advisers and envoys.) I doubt they are all close personal friends.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  28. Carmen Buranda had a towel on her head! Filled with fruit 2001 Big Space Baby!

    pdbuttons (631b6d)

  29. Beldar,

    I agree this isn’t about Jarrett being an Iranian sympathizer. This is about Obama believing he can convince the Iranians that they can trust Jarrett and him. It’s a fools’ errand, run by a fool, but it can have devastating consequences.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  30. suggests Obama is willing to use her heritage to convince the Iranians that she is more open-minded or sympathetic to them.

    Interesting point. Obama must think they are stupid.

    But as far as the Iranians are concerned, this isn’t diplomacy, this is theater.

    Beldar, you’re quite right. Running the clock.

    Dustin (73fead)

  31. Dustin:

    Obama must think [the Iranians] are stupid

    Maybe. Or maybe it’s something else.

    Most of Obama’s adult life has taught him that people can be bought. Perhaps he thinks the Iranian leaders can be bought. I don’t think they can.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  32. What does the Iranian regime want?

    It wants to remain in power, first of all, which is best done with a good economy, but in the absence of one is done with a constant scapegoating of problems onto America, Israel, and the UK. That benefits from a perpetual state of conflict.

    It also wants to promote Islamofascism with terrorism.

    I can’t think of any way Obama can buy them. That doesn’t mean he can’t. It just means I’m not creative enough to anticipate what this administration is capable of (which has constantly left me shocked).

    Of course, once Iran is a bona fide nuclear power, the evil regime will be far more entrenched. The cause of liberty will be set back considerably, and the cause of terrorism advanced (because they will be bolder in supporting terrorism).

    This was a problem in Bush’s presidency, set back in 2007 when the NIE ridiculously claimed Iran wasn’t pursuing nuclear arms. But we know better and Obama knows better, so what has his negotiations done to stop this disaster?

    My hunch is that he’s doing the same thing the Iranians are doing: running the clock down. Kicking the can down the road. The Iranians want time to get their weapons, but Obama needs to wait until he has no more elections to worry about.

    I hope everyone who hasn’t early voted makes sure they get to the polls tomorrow.

    Dustin (73fead)

  33. ______________________________________________

    I’m uncomfortable with the 18th-century assumption that her having been born in Iran makes her naturally loyal to the Iranians today.

    Jarrett’s maiden name is Bowman, and her parents are Americans who apparently moved to Iran to assist in running a hospital there.

    I admit to being uninterested and ignorant about her, even though her role as Obama’s “right-hand man” has been greatly publicized since the beginning. I also have to admit that I originally assumed she was similar in one way to all of the major assistants of Obama’s wife, meaning she was black or similar to the multi-racial background of her boss (I’ve seen photos of Jarrett through the past few years, and from some angles her ancestry looked ambiguous to me). So I’ve not been aware of her background as the child of Jewish parents, and having the exotic background of an American growing up in Iran.

    Then again, I don’t really care about any of that. The only thing I do care about — and which makes me immediately doubt her common sense and basic wisdom — is that she’s undoubtedly of the left, if not the far left.

    Mark (66bba6)

  34. DRJ, I’d put it even more strongly than that “It’s a fools’ errand, run by a fool, but it can have devastating consequences.”

    We are already beyond the point where there are any happy endings here. None is to be had, because the Iranians are close enough to the Bomb now that they will kill however tens or hundreds of thousands of their own people that they must in order to stay in power long enough to get that Bomb.

    They look at Pakistan, and they want what Pakistan has, and they will take any and every other risk, including the risk of outright war with the rest of the world, to get their Bomb.

    I know you remember with wonderment, as I do, how miraculous it seemed that on the same day Ronald Reagan was sworn into office, the Iranians — including this same scuzzy Afterdinnerjacket guy who’s now their nominal leader but was then one of the Revolutionary Guard “student protesters” — released their hostages from the American embassy. I thought of that moment when Candy Crowley asked Ryan incredulously whether he really thought a Romney presidency could “turn things around” in the Middle East very quickly.

    But even if we could somehow cloak either Obama or Romney now in all the credibility that Ronald Reagan had then, they are now so close that they would not give up their Bomb.

    So will Valerie be a hard negotiator or a weak one? It does not matter, except for purposes of theater — whether it’s the kabuki show being produced by the Mullahs or the one being produced by Obama-Biden 2012, it’s still just theater.

    Beldar (cee64e)

  35. Oh, and The Stand Down Team and whether it was terrorism: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/05/Proof-Obama-Refused-to-Call-Benghazi-Terror-CBS-Covered-Up The “Tiffany Network”, it seems, has learned — don’t reveal the lies until the day before the election.

    htom (412a17)

  36. The only thing I do care about — and which makes me immediately doubt her common sense and basic wisdom — is that she’s undoubtedly of the left, if not the far left.

    Comment by Mark — 11/5/2012

    Quite right.

    Dustin (73fead)

  37. __________________________________________

    Actually, strike some of my comments above. Specific details on Jarrett’s background do in fact align with my original assumptions:

    ynetnews.com, March 2011:

    White House Senior Advisor Valerie Jarrett revealed Monday that she is of Jewish descent. Her announcement followed the departure of two advisors to US President Barack Obama, former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and senior political consultant David Axelrod.

    Speaking on behalf of the administration at the annual plenum of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs in Washington, Jarrett, a close friend of the Obamas, surprised the Jewish community leaders by revealing her own Jewish roots.

    According to Jarrett: “Many, many years ago, my parents hosted a Seder for a group of our Jewish friends, and it was here that my father first told me that my great-grandfather was Jewish. What a wonderful surprise for our friends, and for me! So Passover has always been a special holiday for me.”

    Jarrett, who is African-American, was born in Shiraz, Iran to American parents who worked in the foreign country at the time. Her parents are both doctors – her father specializes in pathology and her mother in genetics. Together the two ran a Shiraz hospital for children as part of a US program to help developing countries.

    But, again, if ideology were honed in on far, far more than matters of race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality, nationality, disability, etc, then the only thing that really matters is the political biases of a person.

    Mark (66bba6)

  38. Are we supposed to think this is a problem?

    horow (dcc9f1)

  39. Are we sticking with “horow”, or do you want to go back to “Andy”?

    JD (318f81)

  40. I just think Israel should be involved in these talkees or at least notified that they are proceeding. But then I suppose they wouldn’t be secret talks would they?

    elissa (17ed41)

  41. “I admit to being uninterested and ignorant about her, even though her role as Obama’s “right-hand man” has been greatly publicized since the beginning. I also have to admit that I originally assumed she was similar in one way to all of the major assistants of Obama’s wife,”

    Jarrett’s father-in-law is the one who proposed that Arabs align themselves with US black students.

    http://patdollard.com/2012/09/obama-vetting-1979-newspaper-article-by-valerie-jarrett-father-in-law-reveals-start-of-arab-purchase-of-u-s-presidency/

    Ignore the column, which is a bit over the top, and scroll down to the copy of the column by Jarrett’s father-in-law.

    Mike K (326cba)

  42. ___________________________________________

    Jarrett’s father-in-law is the one who proposed that Arabs align themselves with US black students.

    There’s a peculiar mix (or odd bedfellows) of both leftists and Muslims in the Western World today. The soft-touch, pro-enabler nature of various liberals (due to their frequent ineptitude in judging human nature and habit of transposing good and bad people or situations) make them ideal suckers for exploitation by aggressive, manipulative pro-Islam, pro-Sharia types out there.

    Some of the early instigators of the Spring Uprising in Egypt were of the left, working hand-in-hand with the Islamicists. But those liberals were soon cast aside by the pro-Sharia-law agitators, as the left in Egypt became the essence of “useful idiots.”

    I’ve sometimes wondered whether the most naive, gullible and foolish people in 1930’s Germany — the ones who rationalized away the nature of Hitler — were of the left. Or, worse of all (because they’d end up being the bulls-eye of the Third Reich’s target), were not just liberal but also Jewish.

    Mark (66bba6)

  43. I’ve sometimes wondered whether the most naive, gullible and foolish people in 1930′s Germany — the ones who rationalized away the nature of Hitler — were of the left. Or, worse of all (because they’d end up being the bulls-eye of the Third Reich’s target), were not just liberal but also Jewish

    A lot of Jews did vote for him, because they didn’t take his racial rhetoric seriously, and the only alternative was the Socialists, who seemed at least as bad. As Hayek wrote in The Road to Serfdom, in 1933 Germany liberalism was dead, and the only choice was between different flavours of socialism. Hayek also pointed out that almost all the German refugees going about Britain preaching socialism were Jewish, and explained that it was because the non-Jewish socialists just stayed and became Nazis, and the only reason the Jewish ones fled is that the Nazis wouldn’t have them.

    Incidentally, when the Germans threatened Riga there was an opportunity to flee east to the USSR, but many Jews, especially Soviet refugees, decided to stay and face the devil they didn’t know, rather than go back to the devil they knew. They found out too late that while in principle there was no difference between Hitler and Stalin, in practise Hitler was attempting to wipe the Jews out right then, while Stalin was ten years away from his own attempt (which he fortunately died just in time to forestall).

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  44. 19. What Iranian heritage? She’s Iranian in exactly the same way that the Sprouse twins are Italian and Ted Cruz is Canadian. Her parents happened to be there when she was born. She has no known Persian ancestors.

    Comment by Milhouse — 11/5/2012 @ 7:27 pm

    You really need to go back and read DRJ’s comments, particularly 12 and 29, because she nails it. If I recall correctly during the primary debates Obama claimed, after Hillary! touted her foreign policy cred by claiming to know 80 world leaders, that he “knows what those trips are like” and that knowing the leaders isn’t important.

    He has the infantile belief that living in a foreign country for a few years as a child gives him (and presumably others like Jarrett) unique insight or affinity for the people.

    He’s made numerous statements along those lines.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/18/FLASHBACK-In-2008-Campaign-Obama-Boasted-His-Foreign-Policy-Judgment-Was-Better-Than-Anyone-s-Including-Biden-Hillary

    In July, 2007 ABC’s Jake Tapper reported on a “off-the-record meeting with media mavens and corporate titans” where candidate Obama said: “One thing I’m very confident about is my judgment in foreign policy is, I believe, better than any other candidate in this race, Republican or Democrat.”

    … He said his superior judgment in foreign affairs was based on more than “…how I approached the problem. What I was drawing on was a set of experiences that come from a life of living overseas, having family overseas, being able to see the world through the eyes of people outside our borders.”

    Tapper also brings up a quote from January, 2007 where Senator Obama said on ABC’s “Good Morning America” that his “experience in foreign policy is probably more diverse than most others in the field. I mean, I’m somebody who has actually lived overseas, somebody who has studied overseas. You know, I majored in international relations.”

    …So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa –knowing the leaders is not important — what I know is the people…I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college.

    It’s not a question of Jarrett’s loyalties, although if she didn’t share Obama’s knee-jerk anti-American tier mondiste impulses I’d probably be so shocked I’d have a heart attack.

    The issue is Obama’s judgement which he believes is superior to all others because, well, it’s Barack Obama’s judgement.

    As far as Jarrett’s inexperience, that fits Obama’s M.O. Recall the common media reaction when Obama chose Biden as his running mate:

    Mr. Obama’s choice of Mr. Biden suggested some of the weaknesses the Obama campaign is trying to address at a time when national polls suggest that his race with Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, is tightening.

    Chief among Mr. Biden’s strengths is his familiarity with foreign policy and national security issues, highlighted just this past weekend with the invitation he received from the embattled president of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, to visit Georgia in the midst of its tense faceoff with Russia. From the moment he dropped out of the presidential race, he had been mentioned as a potential Secretary of State should either Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton win the election.

    Biden was viewed as addressing one of Obama’s weaknesses. Obama was viewed as being a foreign policy lightweight. He knew that, but he didn’t believe that about himself. So he chose someone who had the (overinflated and undeserved media-hyped) public reputation of being a foreign policy heavyweight to give him “heft.”

    But someone who he already decided had inferior judgement than his own.

    Just like Hillary!, whom he already decided didn’t possess his briliant insights and knowledge despite her (also undeserved) reputation, who he chose as his Secretary of State.

    His choice of Panetta as CIA director was widely panned because he had no intelligence background.

    Even the New Yorker criticized the choice.

    Donilon, his national security adviser? An inside-the-beltway lawyer and lobbyist with zero military or foreign policy experience.

    Obama likes to be the big fish. And as I believe I mentioned elsewhere, the only way he can do that is if he keeps his pond small and stocks it with guppies.

    As an aside, this is one reason he didn’t convene the Counterterrorism Security Group. The last thing Obama can deal with is a group of people in which every single one of them knows more than he does on a subject.

    Foreign policy is the one area on which a President can place his personal stamp. He doesn’t have to go through Congress. In Obama’s specific case he doesn’t want to have to go through any intermediaries who might be “insubordinate” enough to be anything but yes men.

    So again the issue isn’t some 18th century notions about where Jarrett’s loyalties may lie because of her place of birth.

    The issues are very 21st century conclusions about the qualities of the perennial college freshman this country for some god forsaken reason elected to be its President in 2008.

    Steve57 (320590)

  45. As an aside, this is one reason he didn’t convene the Counterterrorism Security Group *when the Benghazi consulate was assaulted and sacked.*

    I knew what I meant. Just didn’t say it.

    Steve57 (320590)

  46. This is so typical of that moron Obama. He thinks because she is part Iranian that she is something other than a stupid, undressed female.

    pat (75b00c)

  47. No, pat. He thinks because she was born in Iran the Iranians will think she’s something other than a stupid undressed female.

    Steve57 (320590)

  48. As for the Iranians accepting a woman as an envoy — of course they wouldn’t.
    But as far as the Iranians are concerned, this isn’t diplomacy, this is theater.
    Comment by Beldar — 11/5/2012 @ 7:43 pm

    — And THERE’S yer thread winner.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  49. This is so typical of that moron Obama. He thinks because she is part Iranian that she is something other than a stupid, undressed female.
    Comment by pat — 11/5/2012 @ 11:09 pm

    — She isn’t “part Iranian”. Which isn’t to say that Obama doesn’t think about it in those terms, but still . . .

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  50. Valerie Jarrett is assisting the US government communicate behind the scenes with the representatives of Iran’s supreme leader Ali Khamenei.

    — What, exactly, is she doing to ‘assist’? Using her knowledge of the Persian language to play translator?

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  51. I see that sleeeeepy stopped in to attempt his 115th thread-jacking. Ho hum.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  52. Vj acts and thinks like a ayatollah.
    She hates America boys, and girls.

    mg (31009b)

  53. misplaced comma- excuse me, although there is no excuse for me.

    mg (31009b)

  54. Probably because Jarrett has been the American envoy to Iran for a year or more. The more important question is why we’re negotiating with what the U.S. State Department calls the most active state sponsor of terrorism.
    Comment by DRJ — 11/5/2012 @ 7:10 pm

    — Officially, there is no such thing as an “American envoy to Iran”. Unofficially, who knows what the hell these WH clowns are doing? One thing I think is pretty likely, however, is that this woman is not engaged in any direct talks with Iranian officials.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  55. 54. At our age, it happens.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  56. I know that John McCain thinks of himself as “once a Panama Canal Zoner, always a Panama Canal Zoner!”

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  57. christie got to hug bruce it was a beautiful beautiful moment so you shut up

    Bestest Hurricane EVER!!!!

    happyfeet (1b66c1)

  58. Valerie Jarrett: “We were viewed by the Iranians as Americans”

    — There’s your “heritage”.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  59. Valerie Jarrett isn’t in Iran to negotiate American foreign policy, she’s there to facilitate the transfer of Saddam’s chemical and nuclear materials which were hidden in Syria’s Bekaa Valley to Iran along with other Syrian and Hezbollah weapons and fighters.

    Jarrett is proof to the Iranians that Obama considers them a top priority, he sent them his #1 confidant and she speaks with his voice.

    ropelight (5f0fec)

  60. So we have a State Department, the CIA and the NSA. And yet Obama has this slumlord hack do statecraft instead? WTF kind of way is that to run anything?Ms. Jarrett was also the genius who delayed the OBL mission for days Obama now touts at every turn, a mission finally greenlighted because Pannetta and Hillary cut Ms. Jarrett out of the loop and read the Commin-In-Chief the riot act.

    I say this not in jest; if Obama wins, his perpetual references to fighting will very quikcly cease to be merely metaphor. We have 2 very seperate and different ideas about governance that may no longer be compatible.

    As an aside, find it now beyond infuriating every Dem is “fighting” when most have never held a firearm nor even rolled around a parking lot at 4AM.

    Simply if Romney doesn’t win we are headed for a divorce.

    Bugg (c8b43a)

  61. As far as anyone knows, Valerie Jarrett isn’t IN Iran at all.

    Icy (cdc9d6)

  62. ______________________________________________

    A lot of Jews did vote for him, because they didn’t take his racial rhetoric seriously,

    Leftist sentiment appears to make people really nonsensical, prone to truly poor judgment. I observe it across the board, in all places, all communities. It affects societies worldwide.

    The way so many liberals approach issues like Iran and Islam is very reminiscent of the way they approach issues involving crime and criminals. That’s why the phrase “useful idiots” fits them to a “T.”

    Mark (66bba6)

  63. I’m late to the party to comment on sleepy, but I guess he puts a great deal of trust in assuming Iran will live up to and abide by a treaty.

    Now my ribs hurt from laughter.

    kinlaw (2fb87c)

  64. Leftist sentiment appears to make people really nonsensical, prone to truly poor judgment.

    It had nothing to do with leftist sentiment; there simply was no non-socialist alternative. What would you do if the GOP was practically nonexistent and the major parties were the Democrats and the Greens? Barack Obama v Cynthia McKinney; choose one.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  65. Comment by Beldar — 11/5/2012 @ 7:39 pm

    Jarrett’s loyalty probably skews more to her Marxist heritage than any Iranian connection.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  66. Jarrett’s mother is the one who took a recently incarcerated Bill Ayres under her wing and gave him an opportunity to reenter American leftist establishment circles with a career in childhood education.

    Jarrett rehabilitated a terrorist bomber who then enabled Barack Obama’s political career.

    ropelight (5cc6b1)

  67. The terrorists who hang together, WILL hang together.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  68. “NOBODY is more “serious” than sleeeeeeeeeeepy.”
    No, Mr Frey.. It’s not how serious I am, but how unserious you are.

    Your response is straight out of the schoolyard, but I’m not a student, and I’m not in the schoolyard.
    Give me an argument with some substance.

    sleeeepy (b5f718)

  69. Oh, that’s going to leave a mark …. NOT!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  70. Oooooo, burn … uh, fizzle.

    SPQR (768505)


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