Patterico's Pontifications

11/3/2012

He Says What He Means and He Means What He Says

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 2:27 pm

51 Comments

  1. Dingbat.

    Comment by Patterico (8b3905) — 11/3/2012 @ 2:34 pm

  2. Moonbat.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 11/3/2012 @ 2:38 pm

  3. But, can he spell potatoe?

    Comment by Gazzer (4ff132) — 11/3/2012 @ 2:59 pm

  4. Kinda makes you wish the dunce cap would make a comeback.

    Comment by Bad Science (c6bff6) — 11/3/2012 @ 2:59 pm

  5. it’s called early onset something

    it never ends well the poor man should make a point of being super super nice to the people likely to be making decisions for him soon

    Comment by happyfeet (dc3652) — 11/3/2012 @ 3:02 pm

  6. Something I once saw in a movie, The Last Emperor, after RJ Johnson tells the young PuYi that words are important. The boy asks his tutor to explain why.

    If you can not say what you mean, you can never mean what you say, and a gentleman always means what he says.

    Comment by ropelight (7a675e) — 11/3/2012 @ 3:46 pm

  7. I like a good Biden bash as much as the next guy, but I hear him saying:

    “There never been a day in the last four years I ‘nt’ been proud to be his vice president.”

    Keeping in mind that the ear can be guided by what it expects to hear, so maybe I’m wrong.

    Just seems more likely to me thatit’s just Ol’ Plain-Spoken Joe, using that straight-on blue-collar language that he learned on the streets of Philly (or wherever it was).

    Less likely that he’s entirely delusional. But I’m not ruling that out.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (2c3220) — 11/3/2012 @ 3:55 pm

  8. I agree with Pious Agnostic, and so does Language Log. Biden’s problem is grammar, not loyalty.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/3/2012 @ 4:10 pm

  9. he should still be super super nice

    like alyssa milano says it’s nice to be important but it’s more important to be nice

    Comment by happyfeet (11d0d4) — 11/3/2012 @ 4:13 pm

  10. So, what we’re hearing is a clipped contraction of I ain’t delivered in Scranton, Pennsylvania, blue collar brogue?

    Comment by ropelight (7a675e) — 11/3/2012 @ 4:29 pm

  11. The Santa Claus clause/ if my fat ass don’t fit down ur chimney/u must aquit[

    Comment by pdbuttons (631b6d) — 11/3/2012 @ 4:39 pm

  12. ah happy i’m a big fan of ms milano too but I had to unfollow her b/c she’s also very silly sometimes.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (2c3220) — 11/3/2012 @ 5:21 pm

  13. plugs biden has said
    proud to be barry’s VP
    never been a day

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (eaa5f4) — 11/3/2012 @ 5:21 pm

  14. VP Joe Biden while campaigning in Florida says that the Cleveland Plain Dealer is located “In This State” (October 31, 2012).

    nuff said.

    Comment by Steve57 (320590) — 11/3/2012 @ 5:22 pm

  15. she means well

    Comment by happyfeet (11d0d4) — 11/3/2012 @ 5:28 pm

  16. Of course she does. Bless her heart!

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (2c3220) — 11/3/2012 @ 5:38 pm

  17. she got the female dodger clothes thing going..bless her heart

    Comment by pdbuttons (631b6d) — 11/3/2012 @ 5:47 pm

  18. So when did Neil Kinnock say he was proud to be vice president?

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 11/3/2012 @ 5:56 pm

  19. Keeping in mind that the ear can be guided by what it expects to hear, so maybe I’m wrong.

    I don’t detect what you believe he’s actually saying, and I’ve listened to the recording several times. I think it’s merely and actually a case of his unconscious side coming to the surface—ie, a Freudian slip. That it’s likely just his soft bigotry of low expectations manifesting in a way not too different from 4 years ago.

    CNN.com: “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Biden said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    Comment by Mark (66bba6) — 11/3/2012 @ 6:10 pm

  20. I think it’s just that I’ve heard people say things like “I ain’t been there for a while” and it comes out like “eye-a-been-there-for-a-while.”

    I live in an area where “eye-a-been-proud” might be said.

    But I’m not married to this idea. Biden says a lot of stupid sh*t so by all means throw this one on the pile.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic (2c3220) — 11/3/2012 @ 6:18 pm

  21. Morons don’t make Freudian slips. They are just morons. Biden is the dumbest man in national politics. His selection as VP by Obama was the first clue that Obama was an utter incompetent.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 11/3/2012 @ 6:20 pm

  22. It sounds like I’ve instead of I”nt”. But what do I know. Just my opinion.

    Comment by PatAZ (142472) — 11/3/2012 @ 6:32 pm

  23. I have partial hearing loss and reading lips helps me to understand what people are saying. He clearly says, “There’s never been a day in the last 4 years I’ve been proud to be his Vice-President”.

    Do I think that’s what he meant? No, but it is what he said. I think he meant to say, “There’s never been a day in the last 4 years I’ve not/I haven’t been proud to be his Vice-President”.

    Just another example of UH OH Joe mis-speaking. But of course, the mind numbed obots weren’t hearing what he was saying, they were just waiting for their cue to cheer and clap like automatons when he paused his speaking.

    Comment by peedoffamerican (1563b7) — 11/3/2012 @ 7:25 pm

  24. He could have said that he eats babies for breakfast, and those idiots would still have clapped and cheered when he paused speaking.

    Comment by peedoffamerican (1563b7) — 11/3/2012 @ 7:28 pm

  25. Oh by the way. What he actually said is funnier than Hell!

    Comment by peedoffamerican (1563b7) — 11/3/2012 @ 7:34 pm

  26. SPQR,

    Ha, ha, you beat me to the punch.
    I was going to make a comment about Neil Kinnock.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 11/3/2012 @ 8:27 pm

  27. “What I meant to say, is, Mitt Romney’s clean and articulate and nice looking, but you can’t vote for him because he’s gonna put y’all back in chains—and that’s no malarkey !”

    —Joe Biden

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 11/3/2012 @ 8:40 pm

  28. “Stand up Chuck” has to be the ultimate in being a complete dumb ass.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 11/3/2012 @ 8:57 pm

  29. Sheriff Joe, is funny, but this is a little frightening;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJI0TDB9jIc

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 11/3/2012 @ 9:18 pm

  30. Yeah, I can hear it as a contraction if I try.

    As for reading lips, there are those bad lip reading videos . . .

    Comment by Patterico (8b3905) — 11/3/2012 @ 11:19 pm

  31. My hearing is fine but my Altek soundcard stinks. I’ll ditto peedoffamerican.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/4/2012 @ 2:42 am

  32. To still believe or to pretend to believe that Dan Quayle could not spell “potato” requires a greater degree of ignorance than Joe Biden exhibits. Quayle, as anyone who had bothered to check knows, was following the spelling bee rules which required him to accept, as correct, the word as it was spelled on the 3×5 card. Although the rules require the American spelling of a word, the “lame brain” who made up the cards used the British version. The universal ignorance of the MSM and the late night comics jumped on what they perceived as a Qualye “gaffe” and made fools of themselves and their audiences.

    Comment by Michael M. Keohane (f5204b) — 11/4/2012 @ 3:17 am

  33. It was the same way the ibtches had put the book cover upside down on 9/11/01, for Bush, Michael. A Republican going among public school teachers may as well walking through a minefield with snipers stationed all around.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 11/4/2012 @ 3:36 am

  34. Although the rules require the American spelling of a word, the “lame brain” who made up the cards used the British version.

    Excuse me? Are you somehow under the impression that the UK spelling of “potato” is in any way different from the USA one? What “lame brain” told you that?

    The odd thing is that about a week before this happened I was playing Trivial Pursuit, and I drew the question “What is the American spelling of ‘potato’?”. Now I knew that it was exactly the same as the standard English spelling, but that was clearly not what the setter wanted. Trivial Pursuit doesn’t go in for trick questions. And the only other way I could think of to spell it that was at all plausible was to stick an E on the end, as greengrocers do. So I said that, and indeed that was the answer on the back of the card. I told my companions that the game was wrong, and a week later the front pages confirmed my claim. Bizarre.

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/4/2012 @ 5:36 am

  35. Milhouse,

    Potatoe is a non standard spelling that fell out of use, but was British. The standard spelling is potato in both countries.

    Are you somehow under the impression that the UK spelling of “potato” is in any way different from the USA one? What “lame brain” told you that?

    You might want to relax a little bit.

    Michael’s right that they gave My Quayle a card with the misspelling, and Quayle relied on that.

    It’s a great example of how politics works in America for Republicans. Biden has offered hundreds of gaffes far more embarrassing than that, but they don’t get wide play, so they don’t define him. Most Americans don’t know anything about Dan Quayle, so repeating one gaffe will damage him among those who are frankly looking for a chance to judge someone inferior.

    Comment by Dustin (73fead) — 11/4/2012 @ 5:55 am

  36. In addition, the media is more likely to share Biden’s delusions, about the nuclear freeze, against the first Gulf War, even the idea that Hezbollah was kicked out of Lebanon (right and
    the Cosa Nostra out of sicily)

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 11/4/2012 @ 5:59 am

  37. Joe Biden, he helps Barry O!
    Impeachment he helps to slow
    Leave Barry alone
    Let’s all go home
    Or else we’ll wind up with Joe!

    Comment by The Limerick Avenger (f68855) — 11/4/2012 @ 6:06 am

  38. I’ve never had a day where I was proud he was vice president either.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 11/4/2012 @ 7:56 am

  39. I’m not a Dan Quayle fan, so I don’t really want to defend him but the reality is that in a battle of wits, Dan Quayle would surround Biden and defeat him like Hannibal at Cannae.

    Comment by SPQR (675c8e) — 11/4/2012 @ 8:01 am

  40. Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.

    JRBalisms.

    Comment by Andrew (f350dd) — 11/4/2012 @ 8:50 am

  41. Pious Agnostic, I’m throwing this one “on the pile”. There’s NO Scranton contraction going on here; for that matter, neither is there any ‘unconscious Freudian slip’ taking place. It’s just Joe. Anyone who thinks that when he says “I’ve” he’s really saying “I ain’t” or “I’ve not” or “I haven’t” is fooling themselves. Sure, that’s what he MEANT to say, but it came out the opposite of how he intended it to be.

    Joe Biden public-speaking is like the hot lover that you know you’re gonna break up with because there’s no potential future to your relationship: All passion, No control.

    Comment by Icy (89c2c8) — 11/4/2012 @ 9:46 am

  42. Icy, now I need mind bleach.

    Comment by SPQR (eb56db) — 11/4/2012 @ 9:47 am

  43. I’ve never had a day where I was proud he was vice president either.
    Comment by Dave Surls — 11/4/2012 @ 7:56 am

    – Surls wins a thread? Really?!

    Pigs flying? Hell freeze over? Time start running backwards?
    Oh wait . . .

    Comment by Icy (89c2c8) — 11/4/2012 @ 9:50 am

  44. Come on, SPQR, admit it — you look at that pic of the biker chick on Joe’s lap and say to yourself, “Lucky girl!”

    Comment by Icy (89c2c8) — 11/4/2012 @ 10:16 am

  45. I hear an “n’t” too, pious.

    But I also don’t hear it. It’s like the Zimmerman tape; if you want to believe he’s racist, you hear “coons.”

    Comment by Ghost (2d8874) — 11/4/2012 @ 11:20 am

  46. I don’t know. Language Log doesn’t lie, but no matter how many times I listen to it, not only don’t I hear an N, I distinctly hear a V, and it’s not because I was expecting to. After all, it’s precisely the opposite of what I was expecting to hear the first time, and yet I heard it loud and clear, or at least I thought I did. So how does that work?

    Comment by Milhouse (15b6fd) — 11/4/2012 @ 1:34 pm

  47. Icy, with sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.

    Comment by SPQR (291af7) — 11/4/2012 @ 2:03 pm

  48. SPQR #47 – a trebuchet can be very effective for such things …

    And “potatoe” has not been customary british spelling for the root vegetable since before *I* first learned the word, back last millennium … I would not be surprised if “potatoe” was an olde englishe spellinge – but I tend only to see that usage for crass commercialism (and Renaissance Faires) …

    Comment by Alasdair (2cd241) — 11/4/2012 @ 2:22 pm

  49. Alasdair, none the less, the fact was that Quayle was reading the spelling off the card provided by the spelling bee organizers. He should not have “corrected” the spelling they provided in any case.

    Comment by SPQR (291af7) — 11/4/2012 @ 2:26 pm

  50. Biden does it again:

    Can’t say I blame Joe Biden for Kinsey-gaffing Obama and Clinton.

    Biden didn’t even notice him calling President Obama “President Clinton,” either. That kid right behind him at 0:05 sure did, though.

    Comment by Steve57 (320590) — 11/4/2012 @ 3:50 pm

  51. Gaffe-tastic! Today:

    “”…As my grandfather would say, like I’m the guy who fell off the turnip truck,” Biden told campaign volunteers a surprise stop at an Obama campaign field office in Roanoke, Va.

    Apparently Sloe Joe’s grandfather was the last Biden to have two brain cells to rub together.

    Comment by Steve57 (320590) — 11/6/2012 @ 12:14 am

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