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Joe Biden Always Says What He Means

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:00 pm

Nice job by Stephen Gutkowski.

24 Responses to “Joe Biden Always Says What He Means”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  2. The bit about clean and articulate Obama is comparable to the 47% thing, on the scale of comments that don’t work well on their own.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  3. Or to pederast Harry Reid’s remarks…
    “…saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his “light-skinned” appearance and speaking patterns “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

    Gazzer (70a83e)

  4. I love the 47% thing how on earth did we get by without that idea for so long

    happyfeet (c5b555)

  5. There are a lot of things Americans like and don’t like, but there are only a few things most agree on. Americans like winners and they especially like underdogs who show they can be winners. Romney and Ryan were underdogs that have shown — in two debates — that they can be winners. No wonder the Democrats are in panic mode.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  6. The problem … never confuse the enemy when he’s busy defeating himself, or something like that.

    htom (412a17)

  7. Today I got home early from work and I watched The Five on Fox News.

    Bob Beckel was obviously irritated with the rest of the panel because they were criticizing Biden. So, finally, he established himself as the great sage. He could not believe the rest of the panel would have the temerity to criticize an outstanding Vice President and former Senator of long-standing reputation.

    Paraphrasing here, he said that Biden knew more about the world on his little finger tip than Ryan knows about the world today.

    That, my friends, is all you need to know about modern Liberalism.

    We live in a new world today and all the left has to offer is the tired old policies of the past with a standard-bearer who was born when my father was 10.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  8. Biden is a well-spoken fool on good days, and a crazy uncle on others.

    norcal (8a1c29)

  9. I wonder how Obama is going to get out from under all these things Biden clearly meant to say.

    A civil-military headache from the VP debate that could linger

    The Obama administration has a civil-military problem and, I have reason to believe, they know it. Significant portions of the military believe the administration abandoned them on Iraq, sent them unsupported into battle in Afghanistan hampered by a politically driven timeline, and is jeopardizing national security with unsustainably deep cuts in military spending.

    If Obama wins a second term, he and his national security team will have a lot of remedial work to do to repair relations with the military.

    I think Vice President Biden made that job even more difficult with his remarkable comments in each of those areas in the VP debate.

    …Biden knows all of this because he was leading the effort to negotiate the SOFA. Was Biden’s mocking smile saying something else, perhaps that Obama was never seriously committed to negotiating a successful SOFA? Was Obama’s decision to delegate this task to Biden a sign of how committed Obama was to it? Or how uncommitted he was? Was Biden’s guarantee that he would get the SOFA just idle bragging from someone assigned a trivial task?

    … On Afghanistan, Biden’s comments were even more troubling.

    Where things really got dicey was when, in response to the charge that the Afghan surge withdrawal timeline was driven by political considerations, Biden tried to hide behind the military. Raddatz pressed him on the complaints she is hearing — we all are hearing — but Biden dismissed it as nonsense. He pretended that the withdrawal timeline was proposed by the Joint Chiefs rather than imposed by the White House.

    That is not true.

    …But if that policy is criticized, as Ryan did in the debate, the Obama White House must be honest about how it came about. Biden cannot pretend that this was the military’s plan all along.

    Biden tried the same gambit on the defense cuts…

    … It gets worse. When Biden and Obama say “defense spending the military didn’t ask for’ that is incorrect since the military did ask for all that spending — in the previous year’s budget. Actually, Obama asked for it, since it was his budget request. Yes, the following year Obama changed his mind and he ordered the military to adjust to the lower cuts.

    I am not sure there are enough Pinocchios in Tuscany to describe how misleading it is to order the military to accept cuts and then pretend that they requested those cuts.

    They tried to throw the intel community under the bus, apparently they’re trying to throw Hillary! under the bus due to Benghazi, and now they’re trying to throw DoD under the bus.

    There are a lot of people they’re trying to throw under the bus who just won’t go under that bus without a fight.

    Should be interesting.

    Steve57 (c8ac21)

  10. Then Biden should jus stick to saying “i’m an ignorant a**h****

    steveg (831214)

  11. __________________________________________

    That, my friends, is all you need to know about modern Liberalism.

    It has a deranged quality about it. I don’t think any politician of the right who was stuck with debacles like the Libyan consulate murders and controversy about his (or her) lying about an act of terrorism not being pre-planned would be coddled by any notable conservative in the media, or major rightwing talking head, or much of the rank and file.

    That so many on the left continue to give back slaps to a foolish liberal like Biden and a tricky ultra-liberal like Obama reflects just how corrupt and corrosive modern-day liberalism has become in America.

    Mark (6d5e0d)

  12. VP Biden may well believe this, but it is not true.

    SPQR, Biden knows perfectly well the excrement coming out of his mouth were complete lies.

    Since, being a liberal, when it comes to his first loyalties it’s to government. Not to the Sunday morning rituals he puts up with for re-election purposes. Nor is it to the truth. So he chooses to lie.

    As an added note, I don’t know why the Catholic Church lets these people get away with their sham Catholicism. He and people like Pelosi constantly and publicly pervert the teachings of the Church for personal gain. Biden was claiming that the Church just teaches that, when it comes to abortion, that Catholics must “personally” not engage in it.

    Which is false. The Church teaches that Catholics have a moral obligation to defend innocent life under any and all circumstances. Therefore abortion is an intrinsic evil.

    Even by Biden’s own standards he fails as a Catholic. If he’s under the impression that Catholics must not “personally” engage in abortions, then why is he defending an HHS mandate that requires individual Catholics to do just that? If they are employers they’re now required to pay for abortions.

    Quite a contrast to his “malarkey” about never imposing his morality on others if they wish to choose to have an abortion. He will impose his morality on others if their conscience requires they have nothing to do with it.

    In any case, the Church teaches that what Biden is doing is worse than heresy. Heresy is when you “personally” hold and follow beliefs that are incompatible with those of the Church. This is scandal. Scandal is when you not only hold those beliefs, but publicly encourage others to abandon the Church’s teachings and follow those beliefs.

    Actually, Biden is worse than that. He’s not just encouraging others to adopt heretical beliefs. He’s coercing them to do so.

    Why the Church doesn’t excommunicate these people is beyond me. I know they’ve excommunicated nuns belonging to the Catholic Health Association (the group of liberal nuns DWS is always citing in support for liberal idiocy) for recommending someone have an abortion. This is worse.

    Steve57 (c8ac21)

  13. Steve, it is not my business to tell Pelosi and Biden what their faith is or should be. But when they lie about what the Catholic church teaches, which they constantly do, I call them on it.

    SPQR (41721c)

  14. Pelosi and Biden pay lip service to Catholicism, but when fundamental church beliefs are in conflict with contemporary political nostrums, it’s always Democrat party politics that trump religious doctrine. We’ve seen it again and again, to take Pelosi and Biden at their word is to award the badge of credence to self-interested posturing.

    ropelight (dec071)

  15. 15. Steve, it is not my business to tell Pelosi and Biden what their faith is or should be. But when they lie about what the Catholic church teaches, which they constantly do, I call them on it.

    Comment by SPQR — 10/13/2012 @ 10:10 am

    It is the bishop’s role to tell Pelosi and Biden exactly that, and when they betray the teachings of the Church they should call them on it.

    Yet they don’t.

    Steve57 (c8ac21)

  16. We had several “Biden Policies” established during the debate which I am curious to find out represent flip flops on official administration policy.

    Ryan pointed out Biden’s failure to secure a Status of Forces Agreement upon our departure from Iraq, which is contributing to ongoing violence in that country as well as hindering our response to the Syrian crisis. Biden’s big proposal for Iraq was to partition it into Kurdish, Shiite and Sunni zones. Is that on the table for a second Obama term?

    Biden asserted that the biggest obstacle for Iranians to getting a nuclear bomb is finding something to put fissile material into, not obtaining the fissile material itself. Biden is boldly suggesting that international efforts over the years to prevent Iran from obtaining fissile material have been misguided. He suggests instead that they should have been focused on preventing Iran from getting hold of books which have been available since the 1970s describing how to build a bomb or more recently, websites, or consultations with Russian, Pakistani or North Korean or even Chinese scientists. Did Joe Biden signal a shift in official Obama policy Wednesday night on a nuclear Iran?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  17. “Joe Biden Always Says What He Means”

    I think that may be the meanest thing I have ever seen written about a politician.

    C. S. P. Schofield (4feea2)

  18. 18. We had several “Biden Policies” established during the debate which I am curious to find out represent flip flops on official administration policy.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 10/13/2012 @ 11:54 am

    You’re mistaken. There is no such thing as an “official administration policy.” There is only an official WH/OFA campaign narrative.

    And part of that narrative is that Obama is responsible for nothing the departments or agencies of the executive branch ever does or says.

    The Cairo embassy makes an embarrassing statement? Well, that isn’t coming from the WH.

    Don’t believe me? Here was a recent WaPo headline during the Democratic convention:

    On Jerusalem, ‘the president has a personal view’ and ‘the administration has a policy’

    We have a President who is so ideologically blinkered he is incapable of dealing with ground truth. For him, ideology trumps the evidence to the point where when they conflict the evidence must be a “lie” because he and his ideology are never wrong.

    But beyond that he is so incompetent as an executive he doesn’t even know what a chief executive’s job is, let alone that he’s incompetent to do the job were he able to grasp it.

    The only thing this man-child is capable of doing is mouthing ancient and outdated left wing nostrums, playing golf, and making excuses and blame-shifting. Everything fits the same pattern; he’s not responsible for anything including his own administration’s policies.

    Steve57 (c8ac21)

  19. “You’re mistaken. There is no such thing as an “official administration policy.” There is only an official WH/OFA campaign narrative.”

    Steve57 – I misspoke. My comment stands otherwise. Did Biden establish new policy for Obama/White House at the debate or was he just lying his butt off?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  20. If a word escapes Biden’s lips, and only Biden is in the woods and can’t remember saying it, did it make a sound?

    SPQR (768505)

  21. I had seen most of these before. It’s a nice compilation.

    It would have run overlong to include (for comparison) Biden’s and Kinnock’s actual speeches, but that is a much more devastating example of Biden’s fierce commitment to intellectual dishonesty than his apologia and defense after he was caught.

    But I hadn’t previously looked closely at the video of Biden’s recent admission that “the middle class has been buried over the last four years.” At about 2:30 in the video, the poor woman behind him (to the viewer’s left) is obviously struggling to stay awake, and only quite managing to hold up her “Obama-Biden” placard as she dozes.

    That, to me, is a metaphor for the entire Obama-Biden campaign: “Problems? What problems. Just go back to sleep and trust us, dearie. We’re the Democrats, and the Democrats are always the good guys.”

    Beldar (d8195e)

  22. 21. Did Biden establish new policy for Obama/White House at the debate or was he just lying his butt off?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 10/13/2012 @ 1:02 pm

    daley, I’ll take what’s behind door number two. He was just lying his butt off. And if Romney brings up anything Biden said during the debate and tries to make an issue of it, I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama adopts the Debbie Wasserman Schultz gambit and just claim Biden never said what he’s on record saying. And who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes and ears, America?.

    Remember how Obama lied to George Stephanopoulos’ face and told him “you’re reaching, George” when Stephanopoulos pulled out a dictionary to try to get Obama to admit his mandate was a tax. And Obama wouldn’t do it. Then Obama had his solicitor general argue precisely that in order to get it blessed by the SCOTUS; it’s a tax.

    The next day Obama was denying it’s a tax.

    And Stephanopoulos backed down. When the media has to choose between material fact or believing what their messiah is telling them, they’ll pick their messiah every time.

    If Obama a tells them Biden never voted for both wars they’ll at least let it pass. If not repeat the propaganda as if it were fact.

    Just as the press continues to repeat, as fact, that the attacks on our diplomatic missions were in protest over those silly videos. Whenever Obama or one of his surrogates asserts that was the case. You can get the same news outlet contradicting itself, the AP is particularly bad for that, acknowledging in one article the assault on the Benghazi consulate was a pre-planned attack and there was no protest. And the next article will assert there was a protest over the video.

    I could go on. There are dozens of examples of how the media will suspend their disbelief and believe whatever Obama says. So Biden lied his ass off, no doubt with Obama’s approval, because nothing will stick to Obama. And Obama needed Biden to go out and do whatever he needed to do, and say whatever he needed to say, to fire up the base.

    Steve57 (c8ac21)

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