Obama Administration Knew Stevens Assassination Was Terrorist Attack Within 24 Hours
Unbelievable — and yet, so very, very believable:
Five days after the attack on the Benghazi consulate that left four Americans dead, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, the Obama administration sent UN Ambassador Susan Rice onto five Sunday talk shows to insist that the sacking of the consulate was the result of a protest over a YouTube video that “spun out of control.” The government of Libya was already scoffing at that story, and by the end of the next week the White House began reluctantly admitting that terrorists had attacked the diplomatic mission. Today, however, Eli Lake reports for the Daily Beast that the Obama administration knew within 24 hours that the attack had not been a spontaneous event, but a well-planned terrorist attack.
Terrorist attack on September 11, administration lies about it, media ignores.
I don’t see any news here, do you?
The media is going to continue to ignore this — unless Mitt Romney brings it up, every day, until they finally confront it.
Let’s go, Mitt.
The only good thing about Urkel is that he’s set the Dims back a decade. SCOAMF.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 7:51 amWasn’t it obvious, an attack on a consulate, an air base and a school, proximate to another embassy.
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:04 amHas Obama admitted it was a man-caused event yet, or is he still blaming a YouTube clip?
JD (7e251a) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:05 amIt is not a surprise that a politician lies. What is a surprise is how much Obama and his closest advisors think they can get away with stupid, crude lies. Where did they get this attitude?
SPQR (10b75b) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:07 amR.I.P. Andy Williams
Icy (ae47d2) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:08 amRemember, officially it’s just “a bump in the road”.
Icy (ae47d2) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:11 amChicago, the campaign, the toadyish press, tke your pick.
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:11 amI thought it was interesting at the time that Susan Rice was the talking head for that talking point on all the Sunday shows rather than anyone from State or Intel.
elissa (ad7fec) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:12 amIt’s “The Audacity of Rope-a-dope”.
Icy (ae47d2) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:13 amI keep wondering how the press would have reacted had this happened on Bush’s watch.
It would have surpassed Abu Ghraib, which as you may recall hit the front page of the NY Times 30 consecutive days.
AZ Bob (1c9631) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:13 amAnd don’t forget, it was Obama that accused Romney of ‘shooting first and aiming later’.
Icy (ae47d2) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:15 amSPQR – they think that they can get away with it because the MFM aids and abets them in doing so.
JD (7e251a) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:16 amThis would NOT have happened on Bush’s watch. You would never have seen John Bolton claiming it was a ‘spontaneous demonstration’.
Icy (ae47d2) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:17 amWell it took them three days to admit the underwearbomber was not a lone wolf, almost as long with Hasan.
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:19 amThey know that Romney made a big deal out of the Cairo embassy messages about the pathetic YouTube video, so they don’t want to separate the Cairo screwup from the Benghazi screwup by saying that it has no connection to that protest that the media told us “Romney was dead wrong about,” even though he wasn’t.
Neo (d1c681) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:22 amour SCOAMF was told about the attack, and his response was to go to bed…
he didn’t even wake up when the phone rang at 3AM.
redc1c4 (403dff) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:22 amI see Ace is again wetting his panties in fright, that the insurgents campaign has moved off the Economy. He sees this as apropos in a “trivial way”.
Au contraire, that our Supreme Soviet falsifies every pronouncement, is an abject failure at every initiative, and exists to further its own ends alone is hardly trivial.
Grow a pair.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:27 am8. Designated roadkill.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:30 amJust more noise. The real story is that Mitt Romney thinks airplanes should have windows that actually open. What a dunce!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:31 am==Where did they get this attitude?
Comment by SPQR — 9/26/2012 @ 8:07 am==
It’s not an attitude, it’s a tactic and it’s been working for them for well over five years. They know they can buffalo the media initially and then even when eventually the truth comes out, the original “story” has already found its place in google searches, twitter, blog posts, the conventional wisdom and in people’s consciousness. It’s really just a more blatant version of the same thing as the biased newspapers have been doing for decades –crafting faulty/misleading headlines that are later ambiguously corrected in small print on page 15–but all people remember is the original headline. That’s the plan.
elissa (ad7fec) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:47 amelissa – It’s deja vu all over again. In 2008, the media did not vet Obama’s background or statements. This year they are not vetting his performance in office or the lies contained in his statements.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:55 amGood point, elissa.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:55 amAnd a good reminder of how this Administration “works,” narciso..
DRJ (a83b8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:57 amMy policy toward the Muslim world will have carry extra special moral weight and authority because I look different than previous U.S. presidents and I lived in a Muslim country for a few years when I was a kid. Plus, I ate a dog.
They’ll love me over there when I appease the crap out of them.
B.H. Obama
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:01 am________________________________________
The media is going to continue to ignore this
And notice the extent of a report from AP, and posted at a blog at Time.com, in dealing with the disingenuous nature of Obama. Stuck in a small paragraph several sections from the top of the article, there is a brief mention that Romney, unlike Obama, describes the recent events throughout the Middle East as terrorism. But absolutely nothing beyond that, or nothing about the specifics of the raid in Libya being pre-planned, certainly nothing about the Libyan government’s statement about the ransacking and killing running counter to the spin out of Obama’s White House.
Throughout Obama’s speech to the UN, he kept referring to anti-Islam films or sentiments, therefore implying there’s a connection between that and the furor of Islamic fanatics—and, of course, liberals in the West never cite the fact that the founder of Islam would assassinate people for merely making fun of him. Yet he also mouthed the rather perfunctory line of, yes, it’s not good to squelch free speech.
Just more of the junk of moral equivalence, which is typical of so many on the left.
The jokester now in the Oval Office makes me think of a guy saying that rape is a horrible thing, of how its victims are not guilty of triggering such violence, then mentioning repeatedly about how provocative it is when women don’t dress like schoolmarms anymore.
Mark (dcc949) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:04 am“Terrorist attack on September 11, administration lies about it, media ignores.”
Spin does not equal LIE, esp where foreign diplomacy and fighting WARS is concerned.
ODS rears it’s ugly head again.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:14 amNext: Tillman publicly eschews the “Bush lied–people died” meme.
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:16 amSpin does not equal LIE
— You teach your students this, do you?
Icy (ae47d2) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:18 amIt is not spin to blame a terrorist attack on a spontaneous uprising against a YouTube video. It is a lie. Especially when you had evidence it was a terror attack.
JD (318f81) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:23 amThat’s dishonest, P. Tillman. When the administration knows something is a terrorist attack and yet blames it on an American filmmaker of dubious talent, that’s not spin.
It would be as if the Bush administration blamed some small church in Albuquerque for 9/11.
Chuck Bartowski (11fb31) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:24 am“The media is going to continue to ignore this — unless Mitt Romney brings it up, every day, until they finally confront it.”
Having tantrums only works (worked) for Breitbart, Malkin, and other Republican hyperventilators….most people have learned that these alleged “lies” are nothing more than fabrications.
“Especially when you had evidence it was a terror attack.”
Do you think it is possible they were simply VERIFYING this information, and that’s why the delay?
Just imagine your OUTRAGE, I tell ya!, if they said it was a terrorist attack on the basis of this early info and it turned out to be false?
(As an aside, if throwing tantrums like this is all you have left, then I’m growing more and more optimistic every day that the polls ARE correct and we will be spared a third Bush term.)
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:33 am“Next: Tillman publicly eschews the “Bush lied–people died” meme.”
Interesting you should raise this issue, elissa. What is your view on whether Bush lied about the WMD to justify an unprovoked invasion of Iraq?
And what about this alleged lie?
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:35 am“When the administration knows something…”
You know as well as I do that you cannot possibly PROVE this…after all, look at all the evidence about Bush/Iraq/WMD that suggested they knew they were lying and yet that’s exactly the defense Republicans presented at the time, and now.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:36 amDo you think it is possible they were simply VERIFYING this information, and that’s why the delay?
No. Because they sent Susan Rice out to blame a YouTube video. Had they been waiting to verify, they would have said so. Or Obama would admit it was a man-caused event.
JD (318f81) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:36 amNot so subtle dig from Cooper and Myers at the NYT:
President Obama on Monday flew up to New York from Washington, rode in his motorcade to ABC’s studios and sat down for an interview on “The View.” Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was not far away, in the Waldorf-Astoria, meeting with President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan.
As dozens of world leaders gathered for the annual opening of the United Nations General Assembly — choking Manhattan’s streets with motorcades and barricades — the contrast between Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton could not have been starker.
Mr. Obama, his re-election campaign in full swing, continued to make his pitch to American voters, avoiding for the most part world leaders arriving at the United Nations. The president will address the General Assembly on Tuesday but, breaking with tradition, has no meetings set with his counterparts.
That task he delegated to Mrs. Clinton, who churned through the first of dozens of meetings she will have over the next week. They deal with some of the most pressing foreign policy crises the administration has faced since taking office in 2009, like the deadly protests in the Islamic world and the confrontation between Japan and China over a handful of unpopulated island
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:36 amlook at all the evidence about Bush/Iraq/WMD that suggested they knew they were lying
Your BDS compels you to lie about your lies.
JD (318f81) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:37 amP. Tillman,
We were told than an Obama Administration was going to make everyone forget about Bush.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:43 amApparently, “Bush” is the only response you guys can give when asked to explain Obama’s recent foreign policy
failuresbumps in the road.JD–I thought perhaps his diagnosis and pejorative use of the term ODS meant that he is now more able to see evidence of the left’s outrageous BDS. Guess not, huh?
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:50 am____________________________________________
Not so subtle dig from Cooper and Myers at the NYT:
It requires a lot (repeat: a lot) of bilge from a politician of the left to make the typical reporter (who with rare exception also is of the left) want to to sling a dig at or feel aghast about such a politician.
^ I almost want to believe that comment is straight out of The Onion, or was said in jest to the reporter, or was incorrectly transcribed.
I’d say this sums things up better than a bunch of text does.
Mark (dcc949) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:52 amP.T., who pee-peed in his tee pee, but had no t.p. with which to wipe his pee-pee, bore (or bored) this sucker in a minute:
Do you think it is possible they were simply VERIFYING this information, and that’s why the delay?
— So, the “spin” (or “fabrication”; apparently, the definition of what they were doing changes depending on what minute of the hour it is) was just a ‘holding action’ while they tried to figure out what the hell was going on?
Talk about your “shoot first, aim later”!
Just imagine your OUTRAGE, I tell ya!, if they said it was a terrorist attack on the basis of this early info and it turned out to be false?
— Well yeah! Because, you know, there was a high likelihood that it was just a prank by an 8th grader pretending to be an al-Qaeda sympathizer.
I’m growing more and more optimistic every day that the polls ARE correct and we will be spared a third Bush term.
Icy (ae47d2) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:06 am— Planning to resurrect that phrase (“third Bush term”) every four years from now until infinity, are you?
“Having tantrums only works (worked) for Breitbart, Malkin, and other Republican hyperventilators….most people have learned that these alleged “lies” are nothing more than fabrications.”
Petey – Absolutely hilarious. How quickly you forget.
Remember the false media tantrum over the fact that Romney had the temerity to even to issue a statement over the events of September 11 and called out the Administration’s limp dick response.
How about the media’s and left’s (BIRM) tantrum over the deceptively edited tape of Romney’s 47% remarks?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:06 amWhile we’re on the subject of gullible media and false memes—–
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-26/politico-s-paul-ryan-satire-the-joke-s-on-them.html
Krugman, Tommy, Benen and other damous leftists fall for and spread badly conceived and poorly written leftist satire. It’s both humorous and infuriating to contemplate the journalistic stupidity and malpractice the American public is subjected to.
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:38 amLike Fox Mulder, elissa, they want to believe.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:43 amAnd I’ll bet every one of them watches episodes of “The West Wing” on DVD obsessively.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:44 amWith respect to my earlier comment—Apparently, Roger Simon (the liberal one at Politico) later (but much too late to save Krugman and other famous leftists from public humiliation) thought it wise to add an “author’s note” to his original article. He makes plain it was meant as satire and that Ryan in fact does not refer to Romney as “stench”.
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:58 amSimon was once upon a time, a decent reporter at the Baltimore Sun, but that was back in the Pleistocene era.
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 11:28 amTommy Xtopher backtracks at Mediaite, defends himself, and tries to undig. Then he returns fire at Politico’s Simon with: “Roger Simon has reportedly apologized abjectly, saying “Tommy Christopher is absolutely right, I have no idea what the f*ck ‘satire’ means. I should really just STFU right about now.”
Blue on blue hissyfits/bumps in the road among the “professional media” are so entertaining.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/paul-ryan-reportedly-nicknames-mitt-romney-the-stench/
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 11:29 amTommy Xtopher got it wrong, shockah,
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/26/libya-president-anti-islam-film-trailer-had-nothing-to-do-with-attack-on-us/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fn
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 11:42 amelissa doesn’t think Bush lied about Iraqi WMDs but things Obama lies about everything.
Does that about sum it up?
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 11:50 amThinks, not things.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 11:52 am49. Don’t speak for ‘lissa but thas the gospel by me. Off the antiChrist.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 11:54 amObie Won’s Ben splatters the winshield, Market is back where she started pre-QE3. Princeton emulating East Coast community college.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 11:59 am==Obama lies about everything==
Well yes. Obviously. And especially when you also include much of the the media, his minions, henchmen, and paid trolls who do it, too. Lots of lying is done by, and for this president to puff him up and help change the subject about his administration’s foreign and domestic
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 12:10 pmfailuresbumps in the road. In addition to Benghazi I especially loved how he handled Fast and Furious and the math of Obamacare with typical uh, forthrightness and honesty.P. Tillman,
Dude, are you still talking about Bush ?
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/26/2012 @ 12:48 pmIf you are, that means you know in your heart you can’t make a persuadable case for The Obamessiah.
Tillman has descended into Bob Beckelian “What about Booosh?” irrelevancy.
Icy (ae47d2) — 9/26/2012 @ 12:56 pmTillman’s ODS detecting antennae are a changin’ and a quiverin’. His BDS self-awareness radar not so much.
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:02 pmI think y’all give illman too much credit. It is just full of h8
JD (7e251a) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:15 pmThe librul “stench” satire pile-on clusterfark lemmings-over-the-cliff discussed above, has now made it to the top of Drudge. I don’t think Roger Simon is very popular among his peers today. Buzzfeed has done a nice wrap up on this.
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:15 pm“Well yes. Obviously. ”
LOL….thanks for playing.
In other words, the content of your comments can be predicted even without reading them.
Thanks for clarifying elissa…who is the one that brought up BUSH to begin with but recognizes that she set a trap for herself rather than me.
Rube.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:17 pm“If you are, that means you know in your heart you can’t make a persuadable case for The Obamessiah.”
He’s not Romney.
Case closed.
P. Tillman (fcbc8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:17 pm==In other words, the content of your comments can be predicted even without reading them==
Not necessarily, Tillman. But my replies to your comments here are pretty easy to predict.
elissa (b402fd) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:23 pmIn other words, the content of your comments can be predicted even without reading them.
Said without a hint of irony.
JD (7e251a) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:24 pmFirst and foremost, Il Douche lies about his own family. His daughter is diagnosed with meningitis, his mother is terminal without health insurance, his ‘father’ is a Kenyan who ditched his mother, granny disrespected black people on account of their appearance,…
There are lower forms of life, brain-eating amoeba, flesh eating bacteria, among several, but he really trawls the bottom.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:40 pmIf they couldn’t lie about it, they wouldn’t be able to say anything at all.
So, they did the “right” thing:
They Lied!
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:51 pmHey P.Tillman!
TexasMom2012 (cee89f) — 9/26/2012 @ 1:58 pmWe have already had THREE Bush terms. Bush 41 and two terms of Bush 43! LOL
P.Tillman still gets to sleep by chanting “Bush lied” each night, ignoring the bipartisan select intel committee report to the contrary … that’s the kind of paranoid delusion required to convince oneself to support Obama these days. And the kind of delusional behavior required to maintain any support for the dishonest failure that is Democrat policy.
SPQR (10b75b) — 9/26/2012 @ 2:16 pmLook! A squirrel!</b
MikeHu (1a2353) — 9/26/2012 @ 2:32 pm“…In other words, the content of your comments can be predicted even without reading them…”
Sounds vaguely familiar to a previous troll who said he didn’t have to read a book to know what its contents were.
Oh, to be a Karnak!
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/26/2012 @ 3:24 pmIt would appear the Manchurian pays his markers:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/bombshell-no-wonder-obama-bowed-to-the-saudis-they-likely-funded-him-at-harvard/
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 3:35 pmHe’s not Romney.
This, my friends, is the follow-up to all that Hope and Change bunkum of four years ago. Regardless of whether or not Obama wins reelection, it is sort of fun watching his fawning disciples from 2008 come to grips with the fact that he is a miserably failed President who sold them a bill of goods that they all swallowed hook, line, and sinker. Now the best they can do is say that he is the least bad of all the options. Just another hack politician, not the messiah that we were promised. Priceless.
JVW (52772c) — 9/26/2012 @ 3:42 pmOH, the linchpin(watch the spelling) of victory or defeat:
http://theothermccain.com/2012/09/26/romney-in-toledo-huge-crowd-stands-in-line-in-the-rain/
Rasmussen has it tied up nationally at 46% a piece, 3% other and 5% undecided.
I got a fiver Ogabe loses every battleground state. OR and DE will be close.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 3:52 pmgary – None of these trolls ever makes a positive case for the reelection of President Bump In The Road. It’s tough to do the impossible, but you would think they would at least try.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 3:58 pm72. And Drudge has Hill winking “It was Al Qaeda”, with Oboob, Mooch and Putin all winking in unison over their own stories.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 4:05 pmpathological
Colonel Haiku (660b31) — 9/26/2012 @ 4:17 pmincompetence and the lies
so unexpected
why would a sissified, nancyboy lefty feel the need to adopt the moniker “P. Tillman”?
Just a rhetorical question, lol.
Colonel Haiku (660b31) — 9/26/2012 @ 4:20 pmA kindred spirit with the troll;
http://blogs.jpost.com/content/mona-eltahawy-defends-jihad-we-are-all-proud-savages-now
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 4:30 pmGlancing at the always puke-worthy rag Newsweek which I receive gratis and which typically is stuck up Obama’s bunghole, I was amused by Andrew Sullivan’s latest hallucination contained within.
Quote: ” Welcome Back to the White House, Mr. President. With his first term behind him, Obama is poised to be as significant a President as Reagan-tackling the deficit, spearheading immigration reform, and jolting the GOP back to sanity. ….If Liberals who vote for Obama in 2008 think he’s been a failure, in the context of the crisis he inherited, then they could not have been serious about real change in the first place. If you are a Republican who wants your party to return to the center, reelecting Obama is the single most effective thing you can do. Reagan’s success gave us the centrist Bill Clinton.”Unquote…WTF?? The same old horseshit. Were not Pelosi and Reid in control of Congress the last years of W? So if you Rethuglicans are wise you’ll choose Choom, I guess. Anyway, sleeeepy and tillman would be proud.
Calypso Louis Farrakhan (e799d8) — 9/26/2012 @ 5:08 pmP. Tillman,
Just out of curiosity, are you a union guy ?
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/26/2012 @ 6:55 pmYeah, right, like PT has a job ….
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 7:01 pmGuys – the issue is not whether intelligence knew before hand of the pending attack or that they knew it was al queda. nor is the issue that they hid those facts for two weeks.
The only isssue is Romney’s gaffe of undiplomatically making the statement that we shouldn’t apologize for our american values and freedoms.
joe (93323e) — 9/26/2012 @ 7:36 pm72. Cont.:
“Businesses leaders have gloomier expectations on sales, capital spending and hiring over the next six months, with the index[CEO Economic Outlook] plunging to 66 in the June-September quarter from 89.1 in the second quarter, the lowest reading since the third quarter of 2009 and the third largest single quarter drop in the survey’s history. ”
Hope has fled.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/26/2012 @ 7:51 pm_____________________________________________
I got a fiver Ogabe loses every battleground state. OR and DE will be close.
You obviously don’t loathe the USA. I know if I despised this country, I’d love to see it become as leftwing — as Greece-like, as Argentina-like, as city-of-Detroit-like — as possible. I’d want it to duplicate the characteristics of a Venezuela, a South Africa, a Mexico, a France, with a bit of the odd Sharia-ized, quasi-socialistic quirks of the Middle East thrown in for good measure.
The more liberal a society becomes, the only major saving grace it will have to depend upon (other than natural resources, if any) is super good demographics. And in that regard, America ain’t no Monaco, Switzerland or Vienna. We have more than our fair share of demographic flaws and gaps here and there (hi, to all you public-school students who drop out of school before the 9th grade!!)
I don’t know if this is going to turn out well—and not just the US but Western society (and adjuncts like Japan) in general.
Mark (dcc949) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:05 pmSENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE UNVEILS FINAL PHASE II REPORTS ON PREWAR IRAQ INTELLIGENCE
Ø Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.
Ø Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.
Ø Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.
Ø Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.
Ø The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.
Ø The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.
KIdney Stone:
“P. Tillman,
Just out of curiosity, are you a union guy ?”
And I guess you like the lingerie league scabs.
And complaints about Obama and the Saudis-.
You want to see GWB holding hands with the Saudi king?
Google Bandar Bush.
I’ll try this again. At least at Hot Air they admit thinking that Obama made a mistake by not supporting Mubarak against the wishes of the the Egyptian people. The population of Egypt is 82 million. The US supported their dictator as it supported dictators elsewhere. And you idiots wonder why people are pissed.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:13 pmSlurpy’s hate fest. Yippee!
JD (7e251a) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:17 pmJD, sleeeepy wants to feed his squirrel by ignoring the earlier intel committee report.
All to distract from Obama’s explicit lies to the American people.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:22 pmSleeeepy, did you ever hear back from Snow White as to whether or not there was a mix up and that you are, in fact, Dopeeeey?
Gazzer (2abc7c) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:30 pmOr the fact, that the last 25 pages of the report,
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:30 pmcontradict many of the judgement and facts in the preceding two hundred.
The US supported their dictator as it supported dictators elsewhere. And you idiots wonder why people are pissed.
Comment by sleeeepy — 9/26/2012 @ 8:13 pm
— Please provide some (or any) examples of us ‘wondering’ why people are pissed.
Icy (735d7a) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:34 pmNot to mention, the track record of who put together the report;
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=263386
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:35 pmThe recent Webster report, on Ft. Hood, was full of ‘couched language, omitted or mistaken information,
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:37 pmabout a whole host of person and organizationn involved
Senate Intelligence Committee Unveils Final Phase II Reports on Prewar Iraq Intelligence. Phase II Report on Public Statements [PDF] and Phase II Report on DoD Policy Office [PDF]. This may come as a shock, but most of what the Bush Administration said about Iraq wasn’t true. Republican co-chair Bond, Kit Bond, says the reports are “political theatre.”
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:41 pmJust another meme fail for sleepy. I have no idea why the butt chugger keeps trying.
KEY POINTS Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Phase II investigation report on pre-war Iraq Intel
The recent “report” from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence has a number of conclusions and amendments. Often, when these reports are released, many people don’t have the time or tenacity to read the entire report. Instead, they literally jump to the conclusions and argue their political talking points from there. I’ve taken the time to go through this latest “report,” cut out the conclusions, and added any amendments to those conclusions whenever possible. Readers are encouraged to read the actual report (particularly the “Additional Views” and “Amendments” sections). It appears that there are at least 150 examples in this report where Democrats have deliberately misled the American people. Examples range from false quotes, blaming Bush Administration officials for making statements not supported by intelligence when the intelligence report cited came out months or even years after the statement in question, misleading wording, and much more. It’s for this reason that the amendments are added to the following Key points/conclusions of the report. By including the amendments and putting them right next to the conclusion that is misleading, readers will see first hand that the report is fictional, distorted, inept, and written with incredibly poor ethical standards of fact-checking to say nothing of the political bias.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:48 pmsleeeepy – Now tell us why President Bump in the Road should be Reelected if you can.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:51 pmFraud, that’s all the Democrats have.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:55 pmIt’s like the famed Aug 6, PDB, that would have led to looking for the Abdel Rahman cell, and the Brooklyn cell, but had no actionable intelligence,
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:57 pmExcept, narciso, Obama does not bother to show up for half of his intel briefings.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 8:58 pmWell he’s too busy catching up on last season of ‘Homeland’, which unexpectedly he missed the main point of,
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:00 pmI think this sums it up well;
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/branco-cartoon-while-the-world-burns/#comments
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:01 pm“Except, narciso, Obama does not bother to show up for half of his intel briefings.”
SPQR – Except that now since his failure to attend the briefings has been publicly exposed, he has become much more diligent.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:02 pmdaleyrocks, the Empty Suit(tm) is such a fraud. Pretending that now he’s actually attending his intel briefings is the kind of fraud I’d expect from Obama.
We can’t get this incompetent out of office fast enough. He’s done permanent damage to our nation.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:05 pm____________________________________________
At least at Hot Air they admit thinking that Obama made a mistake by not supporting Mubarak against the wishes of the the Egyptian people.
And I think of some of those people in Egypt who are your socio-political counterparts — people of the clueless, nonsensical left — who helped instigate the Arab-Spring uprising against Mubarak. Liberal agitators who thought their former president was a diabolical totalitarianist on two feet, only to see him replaced with the tyranny of Sharia-Law figureheads, politicians and their policies.
Pardon me, but I can’t help but snicker.
Mark (dcc949) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:08 pmOne thought the military would keep the Brotherhood
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:32 pmin line, we should have realized we believed that about the Iranian military as well.
While not overestimating the influence that the Obama administration could have exercised, the reality is that radicalization of Egypt will completely destabilize the Middle East.
If the Egypt-Gaza border becomes less controlled, if Egypt remilitarizes the Sinai, and/or if Egypt begins increasing military hostilities toward Israel, we could see the Middle East return to the worst of the ’70’s and rekindle open war.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 9:38 pmFrom the “dodgy dossier” on down, this is pathetic.
” Pretending that now he’s actually attending his intel briefings is the kind of fraud I’d expect from Obama.”
Obama reads every briefing just as Clinton did. Bush didn’t like to read.
Milbank
“About the same time, the Republican National Committee and prominent Republicans such as Dick Cheney and John McCain threw another faulty bit of plumbing at Obama: that the president ‘does not attend his daily intelligence meeting’ more than half the time, in contrast to George W. Bush, who ‘almost never missed his daily intelligence meeting.’ This claim was the work of former Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen, who writes a weekly online column for The Washington Post.
In reality, Obama didn’t ‘attend’ these meetings, because there were no meetings to attend: The oral briefings had been mostly replaced by daily exchanges in which Obama reads the materials and poses written questions and comments to intelligence officials. This is how it was done in the Clinton administration, before Bush decided he would prefer to read less. Bush’s results — Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, and the failure to find Osama bin Laden — suggest this was not an obvious improvement.”
This was done with a while ago.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:02 pmBut Akin is back and the republicans like him again.
legitimate rape and all.
The bottom line remains, sleeeepy, that Obama finds the golf course far more inviting than his duties, like being briefed on intelligence matters.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:06 pm“The Dodgy Dossier” was a reference.
Look it up.
http://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Life-Emerald-City-ebook/dp/B000JMKTK0/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:08 pmSQUIRRELS!!!!!!!
JD (7e251a) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:09 pmSPQR.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:09 pmThe bottom line is, he knows how to read.
You mean the George Bush who averaged 1.5-2 books a week in his entire Presidency?
Gazzer (2abc7c) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:10 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122901896.html
Whereas we only see JEF carrying plagiarist D’Souza’s book at airports but never seems to finish it?
sleeeepy, the attempt by stupid paranoid nutjobs like you to pretend that George W. Bush was somehow “dumb” only demonstrates your stupidity. George W. Bush is a well educated, intelligent man who actually was interested in doing the job of President.
Unlike the current chair warmer.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:13 pmSleeepy,
Obama can read ?
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:14 pmOk, but he can’t lead.
And an American consulate actually being attacked? Time for bed. ** yawn **
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:22 pmThat’s the reaction of a man who knows he has nothing to contribute, nothing to decide, nothing and no one to lead.
Sheesh, I miss George W. Bush.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:23 pm______________________________________________
George W. Bush is a well educated, intelligent man who actually was interested in doing the job of President.
Similarly, I recently read about just how involved and knowledgeable Ronald Reagan was — far, far more than assumed — in the details of his speeches and policies. As with Bush, he sometimes liked to poke fun at himself, based on an image crafted by his detractors of a president who’d snooze during meetings and push responsibilities onto the shoulders of more informed staffers and advisers.
There’s big irony in the way that a closer look at conservative/Republican presidents reveals them to have real depth and humanity, and decency, while just the opposite often is the case with presidents of the left. In general, this applies to not just politicians but people — and human nature — overall.
Mark (dcc949) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:37 pmsleeeepy – Clinton’s CIA Head couldn’t get an appointment with him. Bubba didn’t like the organization, which helps explain why he didn’t want personal briefings. Obama is just smarter than the intelligence analysts and doesn’t feel like he needs any face to face, real time interaction – 43% in person briefings was enough until he was embarrassed by the events of 9/11/12, when he changed his procedures. The fact that he changed shows it was a significant fault on his part earlier, simp.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:39 pmMark, I suspect that the tell-all books post Obama administration are going to tell us a lot about Obama’s lack of character and lack of leadership.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:45 pmMark, one of my favorites,
Gazzer (2abc7c) — 9/26/2012 @ 10:48 pm“I’ve laid down the law, though, to everyone from now on about anything that happens: no matter what time it is, wake me, even if it’s in the middle of a Cabinet meeting.” – Ronald Reagan
A lot is made of Alwan the famous ‘Curveball’ who was a BND agent, but as Sanger points out the equally falacious 2007 NIE, also put together by Pillar, rested onthe judgement of one source, Amiri, who had let us say, an incomplete picture of the Iranian nuclear program.
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/26/2012 @ 11:58 pmC’mon guys, Obama is the most sophisticated consumer of intelligence. Ever.
JD (7e251a) — 9/27/2012 @ 3:56 amCall Hillary back in for that 3AM call. Only to be put on hold for 24 hours while Obama plays golf, goes to fund raisers and appears on the view cackling like a rooster.
cedarhill (a95584) — 9/27/2012 @ 5:07 amObama read the constitution once or even twice – we all know how that turned out…..
EPWJ (8a4ca7) — 9/27/2012 @ 5:42 am@Mark and Gazzer–Always keep in mind how much of the “storyline” that Reagan’s just a doddering, unqualified not very deep thinking actor was courtesy of, and also the “product” of, our long serving leftward biased media. Fortunately, both during his presidency– and afterward– the public used their own brains and their own eyes to see there was so much more depth to Reagan than the press wanted them to notice. History has been mostly kind to Reagan and now he is almost always listed as among the best/most effective presidents of all time. The excellent book about RR, “When Character Was King” written by the currently much maligned Peggy Noonan, helps explain how his personality traits and personal value system, along with the deep love of America and the American spirit that he brought to the presidency, served the nation so well when he was in office. The respect and acclaim afforded to him by most of the American public and much of the rest of the free world at the time of his death was further proof of his impact.
In his first term, Obama both as a man and as a president fails every test when compared against Reagan.
elissa (4e3e32) — 9/27/2012 @ 6:02 amI’m not trying to be too sarcastic, but when two of our embassies, in two different countries, are attacked on 9/11, allegedly over a YouTube trailer that no one has seen, why does it take 24 hours to know that it was a terrorist attack?
Imagine what would have happened if it took Bush two weeks to acknowledge that 9/11 itself was a terrorist attack and not a little recreational plane-flying gone awry.
bridget (862c19) — 9/27/2012 @ 6:10 amNo, it seemed quite obvious at the Time, through all the fog, now Hillary seems to point out AQIM
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/27/2012 @ 6:49 amas one of the possible suspects, possible since one of their commanders bought it, the day before in Mali.
The bottom line is, he knows how to read.
Comment by sleeeepy — 9/26/2012 @ 10:09 pm
— Yeah well, repeating the pattern from his school days (
Icy (735d7a) — 9/27/2012 @ 6:54 amtoke it upplay golf all week, then read the CliffsNotes version the night before his test) ain’t working out so good.Even if it had been due to the video, it was still terrorism.
I don’t think it would be morally any different, though it does change my impression of how planned and sophisticated the attack was.
I think the reason for blaming the video could be to pass blame from a foreign policy that isn’t working, but I wonder if it was also simply another example of this administration being loose lipped and reckless. As with several other foreign policy moments, most of these people shouldn’t have been talking at all. I would like a return to the Bush administration’s tendency to let Generals do a lot of the technical talking, relying on their professionalism and understanding. There were fewer moments that came across as outright lying that way.
But Elissa’s point about misleading people who never notice the correction is all too apt, sadly. It’s difficult to give the administration any benefit of the doubt anymore.
Dustin (73fead) — 9/27/2012 @ 7:01 amFrom Ft, hood to the underwearbomber to Times Square, a certain pattern is emerging.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/27/httpdailycaller-com20120926obamas-war-on-terrorism-the-word/
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/27/2012 @ 7:05 amR.I.P. Herbert Lom, who played Chief Inspector Dreyfus in Peter Sellers’s Pink Panther films, age 95
Icy (735d7a) — 9/27/2012 @ 7:25 am______________________________________________
helps explain how his personality traits and personal value system
And at least for me, it really does goes beyond pure politics. I’ve often mused what my impression of Bill Clinton would be without all the disreputable (to say the least) qualities that linger over him. Or what I’d think of a major beloved Democrat/liberal figurehead like John Kennedy if his background — during his time in the White House, no less — weren’t apparently quite so brazen, if not reckless. As for Obama, it seems his current personal immediate family life is okay (or at least he doesn’t come with the crud of the Clintons), but his life history overall is very marginal or full of very flaky qualities.
If a closer scrutiny instead revealed these presidents to be decent, sensible, well-grounded people — even on merely a personal level — I’d find it impossible to not give them their due. But in a way, I don’t know if such traits would be as likely in them, since I do think left-leaning biases are more likely to corrupt the judgment and normalcy of people.
Mark (2d4844) — 9/27/2012 @ 7:39 amJD, I’ve studied military history and bios of the great commanders for four decades. Winston Churchill, Stalin, Napoleon, Geo. Washington, Scipio Africanus, Frederick II, Cromwell … Obama ain’t among them in any sense least of all as a sophisticated “consumer” of anything.
The contrast between Winston Churchill (whose most common annotation of a memo was his “Action This Day” ) and Obama makes me retch.
SPQR (32142d) — 9/27/2012 @ 8:16 am72. Cont. The narrative is Romany is falling behind, gaffetastic, off-message, not specific, arrogant and stinky.
Meanwhile Q2 GDP just downgraded to 1.25%.
$100 Billion in Green Shoots up in smoke but for a few billion spent on Dhimmi re-election and summer homes.
US State Department asphalts its own employees and POTUS lamely tells the world, who knows better than his own citizens, he’s a fabulist boob.
Padded Jockstrap appears with cattle on Daytime TV rather than build relationships with world leaders.
On and on and on. Tell us again, please, why Amerikkkans are so stupid they’d be lining up to vote for Halfassed Karaoke.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/27/2012 @ 8:31 amThey had information – but they had other (secret) information that was wrong.
As I said in the Obama’s State Department: YouTube Video “Offensive, Disgusting, and Reprehensible” — While Pakistani Official’s Offer of Money to Kill Filmmaker Merely “Inflammatory and Inappropriate” thread:
23. They really did have faulty intelligence – saying this was spontaneous was not political, unless you want to say that David Petreaus would lie for Obama. http://abcn.ws/R0mCOU
ABC’s The Note Sep 14, 2012 3:53 pm /Al Qaeda Took Advantage of Libyan Protest, CIA Chief Says
Al Qaeda Took Advantage of Libyan Protest, CIA Chief Says – (Sept 14 )
The attack that killed four Americans in the Libyan consulate began as a spontaneous protest against the film “The Innocence of Muslims,” but Islamic militants who may have links to Al Qaeda used the opportunity to launch an attack, CIA Director David Petreaus told the House Intelligence Committee today according to one lawmaker who attended a closed-door briefing.
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intel committee, said Petraeus laid out “a chronological order exactly what we felt happened, how it happened, and where we’re going in the future.”
“In the Benghazi area, in the beginning we feel that it was spontaneous – the protest- because it went on for two or three hours, which is very relevant because if it was something that was planned, then they could have come and attacked right away,” Ruppersberger, D-Md., said following the hour-long briefing by Petraeus. “At this point it looks as if there was a spontaneous situation that occurred and that as a result of that, the extreme groups that were probably connected to al Qaeda took advantage of that situation and then the attack started.”
Petreaus did not speak to reporters..
One problem: That’s completely not true. There was no protest in Benghazi.
I don’t think Petreaus has been absorbed by the Borg. There’s a real problem here.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/27/2012 @ 4:39 pmAnd you know what Hillary Clinton is saying now?
Clinton Suggests Link to Qaeda Offshoot in Deadly Libya Attack – New York Times Sept 27 front page
Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb has long operated in the region, she said, and was now exploiting a haven in Mali to export extremism and terrorist violence to neighbors like Libya.
“Now with a larger safe haven and increased freedom to maneuver, terrorists are seeking to extend their reach and their networks in multiple directions,” Mrs. Clinton told leaders assembled at the meeting, including President François Hollande of France and the United Nations secretary general, Ban Ki-moon. “And they are working with other violent extremists to undermine the democratic transitions under way in North Africa, as we tragically saw in Benghazi.”
Al Qaeda in Mali!
Mali doesn’t share a border with Libya. It’s not even close!
The Libyan government says the offshoot that was in Libya. That group denies it, and meanwhile a new group calling itself the Imprisoned Sheik Omar Abdul rahman Briigaed” or something like that came close to claiming responsibility.
It’s well known Islamic groups split up when something new is planned.
Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, leader of the 1993 World trade Center attackers is a hero to the Moslem Brotherhood.
If any special subset of terrorists attacked the Benghazin compopund it was the Moslem Brotherhood.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/27/2012 @ 4:44 pmMore likely it’s the reverse, the Libyan revolution spreading the contagion, southwest, btw, bobby ghosh, of Time, did point out an outfit called the omar abdel rahman brigades, in their dead tree edition,
narciso (ee31f1) — 9/27/2012 @ 4:51 pmComment by elissa — 9/26/2012 @ 9:36 am
From the New York Times:
The president will address the General Assembly on Tuesday but, breaking with tradition, has no meetings set with his counterparts.
That task he delegated to Mrs. Clinton, who churned through the first of dozens of meetings she will have over the next week.
Once he canceled the meeting he had announced with Egyptian President Morsi after he had declined to schedule a meeting (where there be photos taken) with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, he had to cancel all of them, or else it would be seen as a comment on Morsi.
President Obama seems very very afraid of something happening.
Sammy Finkelman (1190c5) — 9/27/2012 @ 11:31 pmhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/28/intercepts-show-attackers-on-u-s-consulate-in-benghazi-bragged-to-al-qaeda.html
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