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9/19/2012

Obama: I Don’t Call My Political Opponents Unpatriotic. What Video?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:20 pm



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109 Responses to “Obama: I Don’t Call My Political Opponents Unpatriotic. What Video?”

  1. D’OH!!!!

    Patterico (83033d)

  2. yer yankin’ my crank
    what is wit dis fuggin’ guy?
    fuhgeddaboudit

    Colonel Haiku (d22210)

  3. He didn’t say that.

    JD (dbb735)

  4. anyone notice
    that the older Letterman gets
    looks more like Simpson?

    Colonel Haiku (d22210)

  5. 0bama Gave Entertainment Mag Interview on Peak Day of Protests…
    0bama Administration misled public on two Libya embassy heroes…
    Ex-Navy Seals weren’t part of ambassador’s security team…

    Worst. Administration. Ever.

    Colonel Haiku (d22210)

  6. Well, I guess we just have to ask this question:


    Is Barack Obama America’s Most Dishonest Politician?

    Ketih (1291e2)

  7. now is the winter of my /our peanut ville
    or town..
    that has been super stabbed by the house of fork..tings a lings
    and there is clouds and cripples and a dog barks and im ..something..3 witches..
    wicked they come…
    tragedy..
    [bong a boo super hit!]
    tup= i love shakespearee!

    pdbuttons (2e58a9)

  8. Is Barack Obama America’s Most Dishonest Politician?
    Comment by Ketih — 9/19/2012 @ 6:34 pm

    As they used to say in my neck of the woods growing up, “Is the Pope Catholic?”

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  9. Its not amazing that Obama is a liar; what is amazing is what a stupid liar Obama is.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  10. im still ‘tangled up in blue’
    i got a basement..stairs..been to new oooooaawwwe leans..
    hate that carter dude
    im knockin on heavens door..i ain’t going nowhere
    i tried to get a chick to lay on my big brass bed but it was so sad..didn’t happen..
    the thing i hate about dylan is
    u r toe tappiung along
    and then u hear his lyrics and..
    u realize that u r the asshole he’s singin about..
    that sucks!
    .

    pdbuttons (2e58a9)

  11. 6. “Most dishonest politician”?

    How about citizen? I only knew one person in 50 years that could give him a run. Randy something, borrowed my dress shirts to wear to his job bagging groceries, never made the rent once but took a cab home from the bar.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  12. But see, he has taken Clinton’s game many levels higher.
    Listen to the tape. Does he ever say Bush disagreed with him? No.
    So given the if, then formulation of his sentence, he can claim that someone is unpatriotic if they didn’t disagree with him as well.
    This guy stinks. Bad BO.

    john b (729777)

  13. by the way, Barky’s eyelid makeup looks horrible.

    john b (729777)

  14. The more significant fact in this instance is that the older video highlights that at around $9 trillion, Obama said the debt was so bad it is unpatriotic.

    So he basically called his future self unpatriotic. just saying.

    Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b)

  15. You’re taking Obama’s words out of context, or something.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  16. It’s probably racist to use the president’s words against him like that.

    egd (d580cc)

  17. How very institutionally racist of you.

    JD (dbb735)

  18. I’ll have to take your word for it…I can’t bear the sound of his voice,unless it’s his concession speech.

    firefirefire (b0457e)

  19. Obama said “That’s irresponsible. That’s unpatriotic”.

    Not “He’s irresponsible. He’s unpatriotic.”

    In other words, Obama wasn’t referring to Bush, the person.

    Close, but no cigar.

    Kman (5576bf)

  20. _____________________________________________

    Is Barack Obama America’s Most Dishonest Politician?

    I would guess he’s certainly the most dishonest person to ever occupy the White House, although in certain ways his Democrat predecessor, Bill Clinton, remains the most disreputable of the bunch.

    If the wife of America’s 2nd president knew what would be happening over 200 years later, she’d flip over the fact this nation would have entered the phase of a dumbed-down, Banana-Republic society:

    The 1902 mantel [of the White House’s State Dining Room] was restored during the Kennedy renovation and includes the inscription placed there by Franklin Roosevelt, from a letter by John Adams to his wife written immediately after he first moved into the house in 1800:

    I pray Heaven to bestow the best of blessings on this House, and all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof.

    Mark (94ed7f)

  21. Kmart is so predictable. See #3

    JD (318f81)

  22. Kman,

    What is patriotism other than love for one’s country ?
    “Love,” like “patriotism,” is an abstraction.

    An “act” unto itself or an “action” unto itself is neither inherently “patriotic” nor “unpatriotic.”

    Rather, in determining whether an action is “patriotic” or not, we assess the heart and motive of the person committing the action.

    When a mother hugs her child, the hug itself is not expressing “love” for the child, rather, the mother is expressing love for the child, and the act of “hugging” is merely the vehicle for expressing that love.
    That may be too abstract for you, but then again, you lefties have difficulty grasping the concept of a basic spread sheet with incomes and outcomes, and those are merely tangible numbers.

    Obama could have stopped after saying that Bush accruing debt was merely “irresponsible.”
    Instead, Obama chose to assess Bush’s love for his country. Obama was saying that accruing debt is an expression of unpatriotism. In other words, a person who loves the country would not accrue such debt.

    And since Obama has clearly accrued more debt thatn Bush in less than half the time period, by Obama’s own words, his accruement of debt is a vehicle for expressing that he does not love the country.

    Cigar, indeed.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  23. Obama said “That’s irresponsible. That’s unpatriotic”.
    Not “He’s irresponsible. He’s unpatriotic.”
    In other words, Obama wasn’t referring to Bush, the person.

    Comment by Kman — 9/20/2012 @ 7:03 am

    Fine, if you want it that way, a distinction without a difference.

    Obama claimed Bush exhibited irresponsible and unpatriotic behavior. Obama has exhibited the same behavior but to a greater magnitude. We don’t need presidents who outdo one another in irresponsible and unpatriotic behavior.

    End of my conversation.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  24. You’re forgetting the Liberal Golden Rule which states that holding non-white people accountable for what they say is racist.

    I’m surprised creepy leftist Letterman didn’t do the interview curled up in Obama’s lap.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  25. “…can’t suggest that…since somebody doesn’t agree with me…that…their unpatriotic.”

    “…adding $4T to the debt is…irresponsible, unpatriotic.”

    No discrepancy here. Obama was not calling Bush unpatriotic for disagreeing with him, but rather for adding to the national debt.

    FAIL.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  26. So Obama is calling someone unpatriotic for what their administration’s policy, but Obama is not calling someone unpatriotic for disagreeing on policy?

    We need better trolls.

    Dustin (73fead)

  27. The funny thing is, of course, that by Obama standard, his administration is much less patriotic than any previous one. If the deficit is the measure.

    Dustin (73fead)

  28. In a similar light, he tagged Bush for ‘air raiding villages’ in taking out various AQ bigwwigs, whereas we have a virtual branch office of Air Pakistan

    narciso (ee31f1)

  29. By the by, TPaw has quit the Romney campaign.

    Icy (981d7a)

  30. “So Obama is calling someone unpatriotic for what their administration’s policy, but Obama is not calling someone unpatriotic for disagreeing on policy?”

    What is needed is for the resident simps to read better.

    The point of the post was a lame effort to prove that Obama has been hypocritical in regards to charges involving patriotism.

    His claim, taken literally, is not disproven by his comments.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  31. Dustin – they are just dishonest. Especially Tillman. Plus, Obama would then be twice as in patriotic as Bush, since he has added more, in half the time. But he told us on Letterman that was just something he inherited from Bush.

    JD (dbb735)

  32. “Dustin – they are just dishonest. Especially Tillman. ”

    That’s right, Dustin, don’t worry your little head over your inability to understand the enemies claims that contradict our own. Just cheer louder and keep forgetting that George W. Bush was ever president.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  33. Obama said “That’s irresponsible. That’s unpatriotic”.
    Not “He’s irresponsible. He’s unpatriotic.”
    Comment by Kman — 9/20/2012 @ 7:03 am

    No discrepancy here. Obama was not calling Bush unpatriotic for disagreeing with him, but rather for adding to the national debt.
    FAIL.
    Comment by P. Tillman — 9/20/2012 @ 10:35 am

    — I love the smell of trolls parsing pronouns and defending gross hypocrisy in the morning. Smells like . . . desperation.

    Icy (981d7a)

  34. “I Don’t Call My Political Opponents Unpatriotic”

    I do.

    Most liberals/Democrats are born traitors, who would sell their country down the river in a heartbeat, if they think they can get something for themselves by doing so.

    If the Democrat Party had a patron saint, Benedict Arnold would be a perfect choice.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  35. What is a person who does unpatriotic things? That’s right, unpatriotic. “By their deeds you shall know them.” I think someone famous said that.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  36. P.Tillman, I am not forgetting that George W. Bush was President. Not least because the last three plus years have proven that he was a far better President than most realized at the time.

    SPQR (6f30cb)

  37. When leaders on the left openly reject and denounce the very concept of patriotism, it’s well past time to question their patriotism.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  38. “Smells like . . . desperation.”

    LOL! Smells like someone who takes a page from the Wingnut playbook and runs them against the authors.

    I think you need to look up the word “desperate” simp…it typically is applied to describe actions under dire, foreboding or hopeless situations. I expect you are ignoring current polls, the typical wing nut response to anything that contradicts your fragile, irrational and unrealistic world views….actually, the typical response of clinically delusional people.

    Let’s try some therapy. Say it together now:

    “GEORGE BUSH WAS MY PRESIDENT. I VOTED FOR GEORGE BUSH TWICE. GEORGE BUSH DESTROYED A HUGE BUDGET SURPLUS. GEORGE BUSH LIED US INTO A WAR. GEORGE BUSH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR CURRENT SITUATION MORE THAN ANY OTHER PERSON. ”

    After that has a chance to sink in we can move on to step 2, apologies.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  39. Yes, SPQR, that’s one way to rescue a presidency — arrange to be followed by the worst president in at least 90 years, and your own administration’s reputation will look brilliant by comparison.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  40. I’m not calling YOU dishonest, Kman. I’m just calling the things you say dishonest.

    Better?

    Dustin (73fead)

  41. GEORGE BUSH WAS MY PRESIDENT. I VOTED FOR GEORGE BUSH TWICE.

    I didn’t. I wonder how many here did.

    GEORGE BUSH DESTROYED A HUGE BUDGET SURPLUS.

    Liar. Absolute f—ing liar. There never was even a tiny surplus, let alone a huge one.

    GEORGE BUSH LIED US INTO A WAR.

    And again you lie. Bush may have lied about other matters, such as his adoption of Ted Kennedy’s education and medicare policies, but he did not tell a single lie that led to war.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  42. Barry Dunham, is a singular unimpressive leader.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  43. “Not least because the last three plus years have proven that he was a far better President than most realized at the time.”

    Wow. Just…wow. Unless you thought of him as a completely and utterly worthless piece of horse crap who was busy choking on pretzels while others did all the governing, I have a reaaaly hard time understanding how this is even possible…but I guess it is.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  44. P.Tillman, you are a liar. There was no “huge surplus”, Democrats voted to approve the operations and Obama campaigned on the idea that Afghanistan was an important war that should be prosecuted. You simply lie.

    SPQR (6f30cb)

  45. Selling out America is a longstanding Democrat Party tradition.

    In the old days they had traitors like Jefferson Davis, nowadays it’s John Kerry, or the Muslim-appeaser-in-Chief.

    But, always with the Democrats, it’s about stabbing their country in the back to get something for themselves.

    The only time they’re loyal is when they’re 100% in charge of the government (like in Roosevelt’s day) and they get exactly what they want (slaves, political office…whatever).

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  46. I’m not calling YOU dishonest, Kman. I’m just calling the things you say dishonest.

    Better?

    Nope.

    Obama was saying this ONE THING Bush did was “unpatriotic”. Not everything he does.

    Kman (5576bf)

  47. “Liar. Absolute f—ing liar. There never was even a tiny surplus, let alone a huge one.”

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  48. “P.Tillman, you are a liar.”

    LOL, hurling epithets does nothing to prove whatever point you are trying to make. If you have credible evidence to the contrary to back up your accusation, provide it.

    Otherwise you might want to start with the budget data from the non-partisan CBO. Simp.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  49. #38

    In addition to being traitors, just about all liberals are pathological liars.

    A natural combination.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  50. “P.Tillman, you are a liar.”

    Understatement of the century. Though it must be said, the century is still young.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  51. Wow. Just…wow. Unless you thought of him as a completely and utterly worthless piece of horse crap who was busy choking on pretzels while others did all the governing, I have a reaaaly hard time understanding how this is even possible…but I guess it is.

    Compared to the presidents of the 20th century, W Bush was a good deal better than most.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  52. “In addition to being traitors, just about all liberals are pathological liars.”

    Love it when the screech monkeys decide to come out of their cages to grab a handful of poo to fling for themselves at the ENEMY…LOVE IT!!

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  53. Obama was saying this ONE THING Bush did was “unpatriotic”. Not everything he does.
    Comment by Kman — 9/20/2012 @ 11:05 am

    — Oh . . . well, that makes it all right then. “|

    Icy (981d7a)

  54. “Compared to the presidents of the 20th century, W Bush was a good deal better than most.”

    Wow, ringing endorsement, although I still disagree. History will rank him among the worst ever in my opinion.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  55. Love it when the screech monkeys decide to come out of their cages to grab a handful of poo to fling for themselves at the ENEMY…LOVE IT!!
    Comment by P. Tillman — 9/20/2012 @ 11:11 am

    — Yeah. It’s a good thing that the Chimpanzee in Feces never does that.

    Icy (981d7a)

  56. http://www.factcheck.org/

    And we’re supposed to believe something because the Annenberg Political Fact Check says so? How about looking at the facts, liar? Such as the fact that in no year of the Clinton administration did the federal debt go down. In every year, including 2001, it went up. Therefore there was a deficit in every year. The fallacy your Annenberg article falls for is in looking at budgets instead of actual outcomes. Congress can budget a surplus, but if at the end of the year the debt went up instead of down we know that the projection didn’t pan out.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  57. in no year of the Clinton administration did the federal debt go down.

    Truth.

    Dustin (73fead)

  58. History will rank him among the worst ever in my opinion.

    Your opinion is worth less than nothing.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  59. “Such as the fact that in no year of the Clinton administration did the federal debt go down.”

    I said BUDGET SURPLUS you simp.

    Can’t you people even read???

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  60. Liberal university revisionist-History “scholars” will rank him among the worst ever in my opinion.
    Comment by P. Tillman — 9/20/2012 @ 11:12 am

    — FIFY

    Icy (981d7a)

  61. P.Tillman, your opinion is plainly worthless since it is based on falsehoods. Clinton’s “surplus” was gone by his last budget FY 01 and was only in “surplus” because it borrowed from social security revenues – hint Treasury figures show total debt increasing over budget years Clinton claimed “surplus”.

    Your utter cluelessness is manifest.

    SPQR (6f30cb)

  62. P.Tillman, we can read. Can you add? A true surplus would reduce total debt.

    SPQR (6f30cb)

  63. Nope.

    Obama was saying this ONE THING Bush did was “unpatriotic”. Not everything he does.

    Comment by Kman — 9/20/2012

    Another failed comparison, Kman.

    Bush ran a deficit consistently through his administration, albeit Obama’s has proven to be far worse.

    The problem is the way Bush has done it is to take out a credit card. That’s irresponsible-It’s unpatriotic.

    This is an obvious contradiction from Obama saying that “we can never suggest” people with policies we disagree with are unpatriotic.

    Your parsing is dishonest because you are dishonest.

    Dustin (73fead)

  64. Benedict Arnold was a great Revolutionary War general, he was only unpatriotic in one thing he did …

    SPQR (6f30cb)

  65. After that has a chance to sink in we can move on to step 2, apologies.
    Comment by P. Tillman — 9/20/2012 @ 10:59 am

    — I wish you would.

    Icy (981d7a)

  66. Obama, like many out there, thinks the rules only apply to his enemies.

    That’s something I’ve seen from Kman recently in his bashing of those who stood up to Kman after Kman has studiously dismissed the evils they are standing up to. The rules are twisted and distorted until they only apply to Kman’s enemies (and aren’t even really rules anymore).

    It’s sad to see people compromise integrity for the sake of internet feuds or politics, Kman.

    Dustin (73fead)

  67. “A true surplus would reduce total debt.”

    Of course, it can’t be a “True” surplus if you don’t want it to be. Let’s just make something up then to wish it all away…POOF! No more budget surplus.

    Except there was, and under Bush it was a DEFICIT. Regardless of the size of the debt service, which is built into every budget.

    “And we’re supposed to believe something because the Annenberg Political Fact Check says so? How about looking at the facts, liar?”

    LOL! The info on the Factcheck site was based on CBO data, which you are also free to directly consult, simp.

    Instead, you’re argument boils down to “You’re a liar, liar, liar!”

    Typical.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  68. “– I wish you would.”

    And what should I apologize for? I didn’t vote for Bush.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  69. his bashing of those who stood up to Kman after Kman has studiously dismissed

    That first Kman should be “Kimberlin”. My apologies for the error.

    Dustin (73fead)

  70. There was no surplus because the so-called “Social Security surplus” — money that the treasury has on-hand, but has already been earmarked to be spent at a later date — gets added in and skews the numbers.

    Icy (981d7a)

  71. “Your parsing is dishonest because you are dishonest.”

    Dustin, the great thinker has spoken; to wit: “You’re wrong because you’re wrong.”

    LOL.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  72. Remember having discussions with particularly obnoxious kids in school, usually elementary? You would get in an argument that was totally ridiculous and you wanted to call the teacher in so a touchstone of reality reestablished order.

    Unfortunately, once one is a grownup, there is no one in the role of teacher that has the authority to tell people with ridiculous ideas to shut up, “you have ridiculous ideas”.

    Shame, ain’t it?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  73. Re: 46.

    Ok, So I say you murdered one child in your youth. But you spent the rest of your life helping grannies across busy intersections.

    Am I calling you murderous? Or just saying you did one murderous thing once, but I’ve never called you murderous…

    The dilatory b.s. presented as logic is certainly the intellectual descendent of Clinton’s “that depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is” obfuscation. So Ears gets points for being a proper representative of his party’s values.

    Which is to say, none, other than “if someone ever wants or needs it, we’ll make sure someone else is on the hook to pony up for it”.

    rtrski (336865)

  74. “A true surplus would reduce total debt.”

    Of course, it can’t be a “True” surplus if you don’t want it to be. Let’s just make something up then to wish it all away…POOF! No more budget surplus.

    The debt figure is a hard fact. It’s a number that can be compared to other numbers. And if it goes up in a year then the government ran a deficit, not a surplus, no matter what it wrote in its budget. But apparently you’re too dim to understand that.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  75. Let’s just make something up then to wish it all away…POOF! No more budget surplus.

    We went further into debt. We did not have a surplus. That’s just the truth.

    The info on the Factcheck site was based on CBO data, which you are also free to directly consult, simp.

    The Treasury tracks the debt level. The CBO moves numbers around as required by Congress because of the looming social security liability.

    the debt went up every year. We haven’t had a surplus in a long time.

    Yet I would love to go back to the GOP congress we had in the late 1990s that forced the deficit to be so low that we can even have this conversation.

    Your use of a deceased veteran’s name to make your trolling more noxious is one of the trashier things I’ve seen from the democrats lately, btw.

    Dustin (73fead)

  76. “You’re wrong because you’re wrong.”

    I explained specifically how Obama suggested (his own comment forbade suggesting) that someone he disagreed with was unpatriotic, with a quote showing he did exactly that.

    He’s wrong because of the evidence showing him to be wrong.

    Saying he’s dishonest because he is dishonest is my satirizing his parsing of language. That wasn’t intended for people like you to understand. Go back to calling people names now.

    Dustin (73fead)

  77. “And if it goes up in a year then the government ran a deficit, not a surplus, no matter what it wrote in its budget. But apparently you’re too dim to understand that.”

    If you refinance your mortgage and reset to a higher principle but lower rate you might end up paying less per month than before.

    In which case your total debt has increased but your budget will decrease.

    Meaning, the level of outstanding debt is not necessarily directly linked to the annualized income-expense ratio.

    I know, this is way below your intelligence level.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  78. Let’s try this: during Clinton’s second term the debt “only” increased by $401 billion, which was a 9% decrease in the debt-to-GDP ratio compared to his first term. So the debt grew at a slower rate, but it DID continue to grow.

    Icy (981d7a)

  79. “Compared to the presidents of the 20th century, W Bush was a good deal better than most.”

    True, but that ain’t saying much, considering these 20th century presidents: Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton.

    Hell, Benito Mussolini doesn’t look too bad compared to that crew.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  80. If you refinance your mortgage and reset to a higher principle but lower rate you might end up paying less per month than before.

    In which case your total debt has increased but your budget will decrease.

    WTH? Are there really people this dumb?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  81. Milhouse, yes. Bankruptcy attorneys meet them every day.

    SPQR (6f30cb)

  82. Love it when the screech monkeys decide to come out of their cages to grab a handful of poo to fling for themselves at the ENEMY…LOVE IT!!

    Said without a hint of irony.

    JD (dbb735)

  83. If you refinance your mortgage and reset to a higher principle but lower rate you might end up paying less per month than before.

    In other words, pretend you balanced the budget by taking the funds from your kids’ SSI, leaving them with a huge bill for a huge government.

    But why are we talking about Clinton? We live in the here and now, where Obama has racked up debt as fast as he’s racked up new food stamp recipients. They don’t even have a budget anymore. Democrats look deep into the past because they cannot justify what they are doing right now. Obama called deficits unpatriotic and proceeded to rack them way up.

    Dustin (73fead)

  84. FY 2001 budget, signed into law by Clinton in his last months in office (Fed fiscal year begins in October) was in deficit by its own terms. Who pissed away Clinton’s faux “surplus”? Clinton. The 10 yearbprojection included in the FY 09 budget projected no surplus looking forward. The recession that began officially in February capped it off. No surplus for Bus to squander.

    By the way, it is that 10 year projection that is why Democrats have illegally failed to adopt budgets for years now. They wont admit the results of their budgetary failures.

    SPQR (6f30cb)

  85. Dustin – Obama’s spending, like the Spanish armada on crack, is obviously Bush’s fault.

    JD (dbb735)

  86. “the debt went up every year. We haven’t had a surplus in a long time.”

    The last time we actually paid down the debt was in 1957. That’s thanks to 80 years of almost uninterrupted Democrat control of Congress.

    Now, the federal debt stands at $16,000,000,000,000 and 100% of GDP.

    And, it’s even worse than things appear on the surface, because more and more of our GDP is accounted for by totally unproductive government spending.

    100 years ago government spending (at all levels) accounted for 8% of GDP. Now it’s over 40%…pretty much all courtesy of liberals (mainly Democrats).

    And, no amount of lies from degenerate lying whores for the Democrats (like this moron, Tillman) is going to change the bottom line.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  87. The CBO projected surpluses were only as accurate as the BS assumptions they had to use. Much like the nonsense with ObamaCare.

    JD (dbb735)

  88. And, no amount of lies from degenerate lying whores for the Democrats (like this moron, Tillman) is going to change the bottom line.

    True, except perhaps if the lying in the MSM is able to perpetuate democrat power.

    But your point is right. The dems have given up on balancing the budget in reality, and so resort to sophistry, refusing to codify their budget, and demagoguery.

    The next generations of America deserve better from us.

    Dustin (73fead)

  89. PT – So budgets are what matters, not actual spending and borrowing?

    Good to know.

    Why have Obama’s budgets been consistently rejected by Congress, even the Democrat controlled Senate?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  90. Kman,

    You’re obviously unpatriotic.
    Why do you hate America ?

    And since you hate America, why don’t you go to a country where you feel your values are better represented ?

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  91. during Clinton’s second term the debt “only” increased by $401 billion,

    4-years = $401B

    In the Obama Administration, that $401B is the increase of the debt in 4-MONTHS!!!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  92. And in Clinton’s second term, both Houses were controlled by the GOP which limited his spending urge.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  93. Comment not by “P. Tillman” — 9/20/2012 @ 10:35 am

    Obama was not calling Bush unpatriotic for disagreeing with him, but rather for adding to the national debt.

    Nobody calls anyone else unpatriotic for disagreeing – when someone uses a term like that, they assume there is no disagreement, or shouldn’t be, but that a person has bad motives for saying or doing something.

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b)

  94. Comment by Dustin — 9/20/2012 @ 12:29 pm

    The dems have given up on balancing the budget

    I think they gave up on that around 1935. Jimmy Carter took up the issue again around 1977, insincerely. Nobody, Democrat or Republican, ever had a practical plan for balancing the budget. All so-called plans were politically impractical and/or contained magic asterisks.

    In 1980, John Anderson claimed the way(politicians) were going to balance the budget was with mirrors. Perot made an attempt to come up with a plan.

    It is not clear why anyone wanted to balance the budget. Originally deficits were supposed to cause inflation. Then maybe harm the economy. Whatever the problem, the cure was a balanced budget.

    Ronald Reagan understood that the only possible problem was the total accumulated size of the debt. Paul Ryan understands this now too. He’s worried you could reach a point where you wouldn’t be able to borrow.

    Clinton, in his language in the 1990s, and also this year at the Democratic convention deliberately confounded the deficit with the debt. In his speech ths year he talked as if the budget was balanced and the issue was payng back te debt.

    Clinton rased taxes slightly,. Then later economic growth ensued because of monetary policy. You could call that mirrors.

    Clinton liked working in an atmosphere where there was budget pressure in Congress. As the federal budget inexorably moved toward balance in the mid to late 1990s, he came up with the idea of the Social Security lockbox – a policy which would mean constant surpluses. Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan worried that the debt might be all paid back in ten years. but federal debt instrument were needed by financial institutions.

    We got deficits again after the year 2000 because of recession and war and some say tax cuts. After 2009 deficits were expanded again because of recession and “stimulus” (stimulus includes tacx cuts)

    in reality, and so resort to sophistry, refusing to codify their budget, and demagoguery.

    That’s to win elections I think.

    .

    Sammy Finkelman (71800b)

  95. 80.”WTH? Are there really people this dumb?”

    LOL…simp. You obviously have never refinanced your mortgage…maybe you’ve never even had one. Typical blustering foolish Wingnut.

    81. “Milhouse, yes. Bankruptcy attorneys meet them every day.”

    Another idiot. I’ve refinanced the mortgage on my primary residence TWICE in the past decade and once on my vacation home to take advantage of lower rates, coming out ahead in the end.

    83. “Obama has racked up debt as fast as he’s racked up new food stamp recipients. ”

    Another example of ODS. Government has obligations on the books, including unemployment benefits that skyrocketed due to Bush’s tax cuts and unfunded wars. No matter who was president, the government would have had to borrow more money to meet these obligations, because that’s the way things work (unless your a Wingnut of course who grabs all the free stuff they can but then tries to make it impossible for others to mooch as well). If you blame this increase in debt on Obama and his “policies” you are ignorant of the way the government works. But of course that’s true of most Wingnut Faux-News Republicans, isn’t it?

    86. “And, no amount of lies from degenerate lying whores for the Democrats (like this moron, Tillman) is going to change the bottom line.”

    A moron is someone who is arguing about apples when the conversation is about oranges. What a simp.

    89. “PT – So budgets are what matters, not actual spending and borrowing?”

    Conceding the argument.

    P. Tillman (fcbc8b)

  96. “Conceding the argument.”

    PT – Yes, you just did.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  97. More hate-filled hatred from a lying troll.

    JD (318f81)

  98. With them it’s always all about teh cash flow today, daley. Never about their kids’ and grandkids’ futures tomorrow.

    elissa (54b70a)

  99. For them, videos cause unplanned, spontaneous outbreaks of terrorism so that we need to spend advertising dollars distancing ourselves from videos nobody has seen, hence giving the videos more publicity. Smart Obama Diplomacy!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  100. have u ever been.ben to too scarbuorogh fair”
    scare boro?
    i got an ass tatoo
    says happyfeet

    pdbuttons (da480e)

  101. P.Tillman, you really are the idiot. People who treat their homes like ATM machines end up in my office discussing bankruptcy on a daily basis.

    Your ignorance of basic economics and personal finance is what keeps me in bacon.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  102. Off topic, the President reads his classified intel briefings on an iPad

    The President reads classified intel material on a device made in the People’s Republic of China … a country famous for embedding exploits in electronics.

    Just another example of the stupidity of this White House.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  103. ___________________________________________

    Clinton rased taxes slightly,. Then later economic growth ensued because of monetary policy.

    If by “monetary policy” you’re implying there was more of a positive impact on the economy due to a top-down approach to things (ie, mainly from the government), I’d say a lot of what happened in the late 1990s actually was fueled by the dot-com boom. Or a situation symbolized by all the flimsy (and now extinct) Internet companies that, for example, spent huge bucks on advertising during the broadcast of the Super Bowl. Such periods of time are sort of a variation of the Dutch tulip craze of the 1600s.

    If you blame this increase in debt on Obama and his “policies” you are ignorant of the way the government works.

    I always laugh when a typical liberal either claims he’s not guilty of pro-tax-and-spend concepts and policymaking, or suddenly discovers the new-found religion of being the opposite of a spendthrift.

    BTW, I do admit that the flip side of that was on display under George Bush Jr, who generally wasn’t into the philosophy of do-gooderism based on the idea of “spend our way to prosperity,” but who also was not too capable of growing a spine when it came to dealing with tons of red ink.

    Mark (386027)

  104. Mark – imdw has always been pig ignernt about economics. All one needs to do is look at the increase in government spending since Democrats took over Congress in 2006. It has not been driven by increases in military spending or prescription drug benefits. They are just nug bucking futz and can’t admit the truth.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  105. After the 2006 elections.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  106. “A moron is someone who…”

    …takes the baloney dished out by left wing halfwits like Obambi, or Till-tard seriously.

    Too bad that applies to about half the country.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  107. Anyway, the idea that an America-hating tit (like Obambi) or ANY member of the Party of Traitors (the Democrats) is in a position to evaluate someone else’s patriotism is the joke of the millenium.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  108. “If by “monetary policy” you’re implying there was more of a positive impact on the economy due to a top-down approach to things (ie, mainly from the government), I’d say a lot of what happened in the late 1990s actually was fueled by the dot-com boom”

    It’s difficult to read commentary on economics from someone who doesn’t know what the term “monetary policy” refers to.

    BeerandCoffee (c770a7)

  109. Imdw – do you have a random name generator?

    JD (1b45d7)


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