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i would like to buy her a coconut margarita from casa vega cause of how tasty they are

happyfeet (5e4920) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:01 pm

Good for her, just wish there were more clear thinkers on that side…

Colonel Haiku (59db3e) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:07 pm

Tyrone Woods, 41, was one of the 2 ex-Seals who was killed. Here is Tyrone Woods’ story.

Tyrone Woods was in the elite Navy unit for 20 years and had two teenage sons, according to U-T San Diego News. The former military member’s ex-wife Patricia Ann So had this to say about the father of her children:

“He was balls to the wall. He loved life, loved adrenalin. He went through Hell Week, the grueling five-and-a-half day training course, twice. You could not find a more skilled SEAL than him.”

The embassy victim’s former spouse was told about his death while she was teaching first grade at Spring Valley Elementary School and went to inform their sons that their father had died trying to protect our country

http://www.inquisitr.com/330691/tyrone-woods-second-former-navy-seal-named-as-benghazi-embassy-attack-victim/#gvZJFHJqJjoIQMpm.99

elissa (d459d3) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:12 pm

National Soros Radio needed expert halps for to understand why the youtube video is protected speech

We called David Hudson, a professor at Vanderbilt University and a First Amendment scholar at the First Amendment Center. We wanted to understand why this film would be considered free speech.

christ on a cracker

happyfeet (5e4920) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:16 pm

I’ll raise you one, happyfeet. From Volokh, Criminal Mockery of Islam:

That’s what MSBNC contributors Mike Barnicle and Donny Deutsch, the University of Pennsylvania’s Prof. Anthea Butler (Religious Studies), and of course the Egyptian government argue with regard to the movie that mocks Mohammed:

Prof. Butler: “Good Morning. How soon is Sam Bacile going to be in jail folks? I need him to go now.When Americans die because you are stupid…” “And yes, I know we have First Amendment rights,but if you don’t understand the Religion you hate, STFU about it. Yes, I am ticked off.” “And people do to jail for speech. First Amendment doesn’t cover EVERYTHING a PERSON says.” “[T]he murder of the Ambassador and the employees is wrong, wrong. But Bacile will have to face his actions which he had freedom[.]”

Mike Barnicle: “Given this supposed minister’s role in last year’s riots in Afghanistan, where people died, and given his apparent or his alleged role in this film, where, not yet nailed down, but at least one American, perhaps the American ambassador is dead, it might be time for the Department of Justice to start viewing his role as an accessory before or after the fact.”

Donny Deutsch: “I was thinking the same thing, yeah.”

The Egyptian government: “We ask the American government to take a firm position toward this film’s producers within the framework of international charters that criminalise acts that stir strife on the basis of race, colour or religion.”

Dana (292dcf) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:21 pm

the ethically challenged plagiarist Mike Barnicle should be a little more circumspect about calling for novel criminalizations of speech I think

happyfeet (5e4920) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:23 pm

Here is Glen Doherty, the other ex-Seal who was murdered. He was from Massachusetts.

Doherty was 42 years old and was working as a security contractor when he was killed with US Ambassador John Christopher Stevens in the American consulate in Benghazi late Tuesday during what officials believe may have been a coordinated terrorist attack.

“He was on security detail and he was protecting the ambassador and also helping the wounded’’ when he was killed, said his sister, Kate Quigley of Marblehead.

Quigley said her family grew up in Winchester and that her brother wanted a life “filled with adrenaline. … He was always an adventure seeker.’’

Doherty was co-author with Brandon Webb of the 2010 book, “Navy SEAL Sniper: An Intimate Look at the Sniper of the 21st Century.’’

“Glen Doherty was a true friend and I’ll miss him greatly,’’ Webb said on his Twitter account today.

In biographies posted by the publisher of the book, Doherty was described as a “combat-decorated SEAL who served the US Navy for nine years.’’ He was Webb’s shooting partner and was described as “an expert in SEAL combat tactics” who “has trained operators all over the world.’’

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/09/13/winchester-native-one-four-americans-killed-libya-consulate-attack-benghazi/85pjpmEnsiSRkKWs0th28J/story.html

elissa (d459d3) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:24 pm

5. I’ll raise you one, happyfeet. From Volokh, Criminal Mockery of Islam:

Comment by Dana — 9/13/2012 @ 6:21 pm

The leftists, the DoS, and the Obama administration (is that redundant or what) have the same definition of “freedom of speech” or “freedom of expression” as the Muslim Brotherhood.

From a statement issued by the MB’s political arm in Egypt:

The Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) expresses strong condemnation of the film produced and promoted by US Coptic Christian individuals, which deals serious insults to the Prophet Mohammed.

The party considers the film a racist crime and a failed attempt to provoke sectarian strife between the two elements of the nation: Muslims and Christians.

Moreover, the FJP considers this movie totally unacceptable, from the moral and religious perspectives, and finds that it excessively goes far beyond all reasonable boundaries of the freedoms of opinion and expression.

The film is certainly a blatant violation of religious sanctities, international norms and conventions on human rights which emphasize that freedom of expression with respect to religion must be restricted by controls within the law that safeguard public interest, in order to protect lives, morals, rights and freedoms.

Expect whackjobs like Kmart to come along and claim as long as these people pay lip service to a “universal right” of free speech it’s OK to condemn some speech as illegitimate.

As in, you have a “universal right” to freedom of expression as long as your speech is sharia-compliant.

Steve57 (b2dac8) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:35 pm

Suppose the mobs had been protesting something else, such as the Zero Dark Thirty trailer. Would that have been free speech? Or suppose it was a Christian mob burning down NPR because they did a skit critical of Christ. Would they denounce themselves?

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:37 pm

Liberals sure hate freedom of speech.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:38 pm

But getting back to Kirsten Powers … if in the alterverse President McCain had let this crap happen, and Dem candidate Hillary spoke up, what do you think the national media would be saying?

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:39 pm

Doherty’s sister gets it and is not confused by the squirrels and shiny objects, BTW.

She believes that the incident at the consulate was not a random act of a few people upset about an inflammatory movie about the Muslim prophet Mohammed.

“I never thought he’d be another victim of Sept. 11,’’ Quigley said.

“You have to understand. Glen was highly trained. He was the best of the best. He wouldn’t have gone down for some protest over a movie,’’ Quigley said. “This was serious, well-planned, well-executed. He was very good at what he did.’’

elissa (d459d3) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:41 pm

as long as these people pay lip service to a “universal right” of free speech it’s OK to condemn some speech as illegitimate

The obamawhores go way way beyond condemning.

Mr. Jeff linked this in a post earlier today

JONATHAN TURLEY: Obama Administration Accepts “Blasphemy” Exception to Free Speech. “Around the world, free speech is being sacrificed on the altar of religion. Whether defined as hate speech, discrimination or simple blasphemy, governments are declaring unlimited free speech as the enemy of freedom of religion. This growing movement has reached the United Nations, where religiously conservative countries received a boost in their campaign to pass an international blasphemy law. It came from the most unlikely of places: the United States.”

happyfeet (5e4920) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:43 pm

hmmm here is the link for “this”

happyfeet (5e4920) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:44 pm

Roberta knows what these loons in Libya and Egypt need: flamethrowers.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:52 pm

Oh great, Jimmy Carter is correcting Obama on foreign relations …

In November: Vote for the Mormon, not the Bozo the Clown President.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:54 pm

Every once in a while I enjoy Ms Powers. She could not be more accurate here.

JD (16fdce) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:13 pm

Read this piece by Thiessen and be amazed at what a complete and utter moron, Bozo the Clown President is.

A replay of Jimmy Carter is no longer “best case”, as it has no chance of being that good.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:14 pm

Amen ditto.

And the only detailed article is in the British papers!

Patricia (e1d89d) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:16 pm

Already working on that one, SPQR. Great minds …

JD (16fdce) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:16 pm

JD, the responses Thiessen got were almost Soviet/North Korean in how surreal they were. Obama is a genius, therefore whatever he does shows his genius.

How are away are we from White House press releases about how many holes in one Obama made during a round of golf ala Kim Jong Il? Not far.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:20 pm

Seems an awful lot like deja vu all over again from 1979. And Choom is even worse than Joo-hating Jimmuh Carter. Does anyone really understand just why so many presstitutes are so in the tank for obama? Or people in general. Have to see what Everyman in Germany in 30s was feeling to be wildly enamored of Herr Schickelgrubber. Btw what the hell kind of taste does powers possess to have dated anthony weiner? Also hillary & anthony’s huma does have moslem brotherhood family connections, eh?

calypso louis farrakhan (e42a0c) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:40 pm

I think Romney underestimated the general sluttiness of the obamawhore media quite a lot Mr. calypso

and – uh oh sghettio – whorenanke has rescued the economy with his money printing flux capacitor so it’s days of wine and roses on that issue now –

and that’s *before* the food stamp multiplier effects kick in

happyfeet (5e4920) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:47 pm

Comment by Steve57 — 9/13/2012 @ 6:35 pm

Essentially, where we find ourselves is not so much a brave new world, but a surreal one where the trend is moving more and more toward the curtailing of our most prized freedom. And events like the embassy give them much needed justification.

The level of the offended party’s reaction is the determining factor of the level of punishment to be imposed on those who exercised their legal right to free speech.

It is not the exercise of free speech per se that is the problem; we are now seeing the attempted qualification of what is *acceptable* free speech and what is not. And instead of that freedom increasing, we are seeing it decrease.

I read somewhere today that essentially what these people (and I suspect our president) at some unspoken level want to see is the protection of Sharia blasphemy laws. I wish I could remember where I saw that because it was a very smart – if not frightening – analysis.

Dana (292dcf) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:49 pm

it’s probably among the links here Dana

happyfeet (5e4920) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:51 pm

Poor, poor pitiful saletan…

PUNCHING BACK TWICE AS HARD: William Saletan says Romney betrayed free speech by standing up for it; Ace of Spades epically drubs.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/150667/

Colonel Haiku (59db3e) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:54 pm

next rainbow I’m following a Leprechaun and I’m gonna shoot ’em in the head cuz they got big heads,
much too big for their lil’bodies. And they’re f*cking wise-asses to boot

pdbuttons (09ad71) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:55 pm

I thank Ms. Powers for not drinking the kool aid.

http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/09/there-were-warnings-48-hours-before.html That this is not major news is a disgrace. And if it turns out that Ambassador Stevens was raped as has been reported, I do not see how Barack Obama blames Bush or Romney for that.

But then again, never underestimate their ability and willingness to lie.

EBL (f71fce) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:57 pm

Thanks, happyfeet. That was it, went to Andrew McCarthy’s observations,

If you want to look at a material cause beyond the proximate cause, the place to start would be American officials like the ones Daniel cites with seeming approval: David Petraeus, Robert Gates, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama — and I’d add Lindsey Graham to the list. They are the officials who condemned Terry Jones’s exercise of free speech — book burning — because, as Daniel gently puts it, they were “worried it would lead to Muslim violence against Americans.” That is shameful. What “leads to Muslim violence” is the toxic combination of Islamic teaching that violence is the appropriate response to even minor insults and the dhimmified superpower’s acquiescence in this barbarism.

(emph. added)

Dana (292dcf) — 9/13/2012 @ 7:59 pm

How ’bout that empty chair symbolism now, Clint-bashers and lapdog media!?!?!?!?

Colonel Haiku (59db3e) — 9/13/2012 @ 8:01 pm

“The horrified masses outside of the Manhattan-Beltway media bubble wonder what in the world the world would look like with four more years of Chance the Gardener as POTUS, but MSM is untroubled.”

– Hugh Hewitt

Colonel Haiku (59db3e) — 9/13/2012 @ 8:06 pm

Leftists are in Cognitive Dissonance mode. They have no clue what to do.

Now, in order to accommodate their Tea Bagging Islamist Terrorist, the first amendment needs an exception.

Holy fucking shit. They are out of their fucking minds.

SMH!!!!!!!

Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 9/13/2012 @ 8:06 pm

“Their job is to oganize the assualt on Romney, as CBS’ Jan Crawford (heir to Mary Mapes?) did so wonderfully well on tape before yesterday’s statement by Mitt Romney. The Borg of the Manhattan-Beltway media elite had decided on a narrative and organized for its development and transmission. Oops. The curtain was up.

Key takeaway: The press didn’t care what Romney had to say. He could have said “I am withdrawing from the race.” He could have said he’d had a call from Ahmadinejad asking to meet. He could have announced he was flying to Cairo. None of it would not have mattered to the MSMers! They had their questions down. This is the reality of the MSM palace guard revealed and undeniable: Their job is to bleed Romney so their guy can get another four years.

None of their scheming matters. What matters is the reaction of the voters to this clueless president and this conniving press. Here is the reality fo the election:

8.2% unemployment (actually around 11% if the hopeless are factored in.) Looming tax hikes that will further destroy growth and the rollout of Obamacare that will lead to premium shock and reduced care and downward pressure on growth and unemployment. Iran thrusting for nukes and Israel pointing to the ticking clock. Cairo and other Arab cities burning and mobs massing. China launching new ships and initiatives; Russia hostile and grasping; Europe teetering.

This is why Mitt Romney will win: Voters see and know this. Whether pollsters are doing their job or not on “likely voter screens” and “turnout models” doesn’t change the facts on the ground. The president has failed, on every front and in spectacular fashion.

True, he may not know it. He may be gliding through the final four months of his presidency absolutely convinced he’s king of the world, but he’s a failure. The country doesn’t re-elect failure, no matter how urgently fellow failed and aging “journalists” or their young acolytes –“What’s our question Jan?”– desperately want him to be thought a success.”

http://www.hughhewitt.com/blog/g/61c6acb3-852d-406c-994d-d2849285975a

Colonel Haiku (59db3e) — 9/13/2012 @ 8:07 pm

Wait, lest we forget, the ever-so-Presidential (Preez?) quote, before “he has a tendancy to shoot first and aim later”, was also known to emit such wise gems as “The police acted stupidly…” with far less data and no reason whatsoever to put his nuts up on the table in the first place.

Well, no reason other than he just Loves. The Sonorous Sound. Of. His. Own.

Voice.

Yeah, baby. Aim that, muthaf0kkas. Yeah….

rtrski (e9b9a0) — 9/13/2012 @ 8:08 pm

i remember once this drunk girl insisting vehemently that there were leprechauns on Hawaii

finally someone said … leper colonies you mean?

YEAH! she said

happyfeet (5e4920) — 9/13/2012 @ 8:11 pm

How many embassy attacks does it take for Mr. Obama to skip a round of golf? Or a fundraiser?

Inquiring minds want to know.

navyvet (f5da59) — 9/13/2012 @ 8:16 pm

_____________________________________________

That’s what MSBNC contributors Mike Barnicle and Donny Deutsch, the University of Pennsylvania’s Prof. Anthea Butler (Religious Studies), and of course the Egyptian government argue with regard to the movie that mocks Mohammed:

Sickening. I’d like to throw the bunch (of such tolerant, open-minded, humane, sophisticated liberals!) into the middle of a Sharia-law society. They deserve no less.

And, oh, how interesting — and how ludicrously ironic this all is — that one of them, Andrea Butler, so bothered by homophobia (or “homophobia”), is nonetheless giving the benefit of the doubt to a religion that would smash her face into the ground for touchy-feeling emotions about issues like gay marriage.

She truly deserves to be booted into a Sharia-law community. Then she’d really see — up close and personal — what weird, extreme slices of homophobia are all about.

religiondispatches.org, Anthea Butler, May 2012: Perhaps it is time for some of the pastors preaching against same-sex marriage to look to their own houses first. Same-sex marriage is not the biggest sexual issue in the black church. Creeping preachers, stunted sexuality, homophobia, and sexual abuse are competing for issue number one in their churches; at many, they are tied at the number one slot.

Some have quipped that leftism is a mental disorder or illness. That may be a lot more accurate than merely sarcastic.

Mark (674399) — 9/13/2012 @ 8:44 pm

No bullets in the chamber, find out why and who would give this order, then reload, aim ,fire. Order executed.

mg (44de53) — 9/13/2012 @ 10:47 pm

Fox Headline:
“Obama Calls Libyan President to Thank Him After US Ambassador Murdered”

“Kansas panel delays ballot decision on Obama
Kobach seeks Democrat’s birth records from Hawaii”

This what you’re reduced to.
No one to blame but yourselves.

sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/14/2012 @ 7:56 am

Go back to sleep, troll.

JD (16fdce) — 9/14/2012 @ 8:18 am

sleeeeepy has been “reduced” to spewing cut & paste ad homs.

Oh wait . . .

Icy (0f57a0) — 9/14/2012 @ 8:23 am

Kirsten Powers isn’t finished with Obama.

DRJ (a83b8b) — 9/14/2012 @ 7:22 pm

42. Shocked I am. This could be the start of a beautiful readership.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/14/2012 @ 7:26 pm

That is a great column, DRJ.

JD (318f81) — 9/14/2012 @ 7:38 pm

From DRJ’s Kirsten Power’s link,

President Obama said in the Rose Garden: “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others” and Clinton asserted that, “The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.” Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough endorsed efforts to create “a world where the dignity of all people—and all faiths—is respected.”

This is a sickness: Clinton, McDonough and our president manage to spit out sanctimonious condemnation without batting an eye while conveniently ignoring the fact that Islamic extremists – as a way of life and by definition – regularly denigrate the religious beliefs of others and give no dignity to people of other faith, ever. Rather death is what they give.

Do they think we don’t notice the enormous contradiction and hypocrisy of their position?

Dana (292dcf) — 9/14/2012 @ 8:33 pm

Re: #42, I read that just now, and wanted to fistpump the air. She nailed it.

Great piece. I only wish I believed it would wake up more people, but those that need waking will likely never see it (“Fox is eeeeeBil!”)

rtrski (e9b9a0) — 9/15/2012 @ 9:16 am

So let me get this straight. Romney jumps in to get the media’s attention. And says about the most stupid empty headed non compassionate thing he could have possibly said while citizens of our country are under attack and then he boo hoo’s because the media descends upon him. You dance with the girl who brung you Mr. Romney. If you court the devil don’t be surprised when he shows up. Kirsten Powers is dead wrong and obviously drinking from the FOX Fount Of Truth. Too bad but it was bound to happen sooner or later.

Amy Powers (4e0dda) — 9/18/2012 @ 3:49 pm

==So let me get this straight.==

This phrase is always a dead giveaway to readers that what follows is in fact a spin of the facts by a not very good shill. Your post here did not disappoint, Amy.

elissa (b10ba6) — 9/18/2012 @ 3:55 pm

Amy Powers, no, you didn’t get it straight. While Obama and his administration was lying about the attacks on US embassies and consulates, and lying about the deaths of American State dept employees and contractors, Mitt Romney correctly pointed out that Obama’s foreign policy was an unmitigated disaster.

Jimmy Carter level disaster.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/18/2012 @ 4:14 pm

So let me get this straight.

You could have stopped there. Because nothing that followed bad any foundation in the real world.

JD (e4479f) — 9/18/2012 @ 4:17 pm

‘President Obama said in the Rose Garden: “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others”’

Speak for yourself, you little toad.

I denigrate any Muslim who’s religous beliefs include: Kill those who insult the [fake] prophet. I also denigrate the belief itself.

Their religious beliefs suck, they suck…and, so do you, you mealy-mouthed little appeaser.

Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/18/2012 @ 4:34 pm

‘President Obama said in the Rose Garden: “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others”’

He needs to look in a mirror to watch his nose grow. If you want to talk about off-the cuff remarks, he has said that bitter clingers use religion to cope with their frustrations in life, I guess because life still isn’t baseball, apply pie, and Chevrolet. (It’s golf, arugula, and Chevy Volt.) While it is not a precise logical construction (Venn diagrams and all), I don’t see much of the concept that people have religious beliefs for perfectly legitimate and healthy a priori reasons that have nothing to do with frustrated reactions.

MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/18/2012 @ 4:42 pm

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