Paul Ryan Supports the Democrat in the Chicago Teacher’s Strike. Bipartisan!!! What About Obama??
Rahm Emanuel is the new Scott Walker: a cold, heartless politician refusing to give an inch to the unions who are just fighting for the rights of their workers. Why, just look at how unreasonable the Rahmster is being:
Democratic Mayor Rahm Emanuel told Bloomberg News that the district was ready to offer a 16% raise over four years after taking away a 4% raise from teachers last year. The union originally wanted a 29% increase over two years, citing school days that Emanuel has lengthened by 90 minutes. The district has reportedly been offering 2% annual cost-of-living increases in return.
A 16% raise?! We spit in your face, Mr. Mayor! Unacceptable!!
Allahpundit explains:
The optics of this strike are gruesome for Democrats: You’ve got the best paid teachers in the country, who already take home nearly $30,000 per year more on average than the average Chicago family, walking out on kids in Obama’s own hometown even though a friendly Democratic face in Rahm Emanuel is on the other side of the table. It’s an object lesson in union ruthlessness, and Rahm’s going to have no choice but to dig in lest he illustrate just what the GOP has in mind when it talks about Democrats having been captured by Big Labor. The question is how heavily this might weigh on voters.
Jumping in the fray to take advantage is Paul Ryan, who puts principle above politics to champion the cause of the Democrat in Chicago:
We stand with the children and we stand with the families and the parents of Chicago because education reform, that’s a bipartisan issue. This does not have to divide the two parties. And so, we were going to ask, where does President Obama stand? Does he stand with his former Chief of Staff Mayor Rahm Emanuel, with the children and the parents, or does he stand with the union?
Can Obama join Paul Ryan in supporting his former Chief of Staff?
P.S. It’s fun to write a whole post with your tongue stuck firmly in your cheek.
Bipartisan!
Reaching across the aisle!
Just what Bill Clinton said we need to do!
Patterico (83033d) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:12 amAbout 20% of Chicago 8th graders can read, do math, or write at their grade level. And the teachers think this performance merits back-to-back 15% annual raises.
Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:15 amObama is a reasonable moderate, so he will encourage both sides to be reasonable just the same as he would be a reasonable, in-the-middle moderate encouraging Trotskyites and Stalinists to be reasonable and get along with eachother.
After all, there are no teabaggers acting stupidly in this struggle.
Roland (5ff18d) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:20 amThe MFM will ignore this. It does not fit into Teh Narrative.
JD (0b7085) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:27 amIf a higher percentage of Chicagoans could read and do math, they’d be able to understand what a scam the teachers union is pulling on them !
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:27 amA 29% increase as compensation for an extra 90 minutes at day. If one does the math, that would mean that previously they were only putting in 3.5 hours a day at straight time. The other way of looking at it is that they are asking for double time for the 90 minutes based on a 7 hour day. Gee, if only the rest of us could get double time after putting a brutally hard week of 35 hours.
Thresherman (b808d1) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:32 amSay…if the teachers were graduates of their own schools, you could maybe give them a 4% raise and tell them it’s 40%. They might not know the difference, apparently.
Simon Jester (642736) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:52 amWatch out for a set-up here. Simply put, does it make sense that a public employee union would want to make Obama and the Democrats look bad during a Presidential election?
Likely scenario: Union digs in it’s heels and Rahm throws up his hands and asks Obama to intervene. Obama rides in and the union capitulates from the sheer force of his personality. Rahm lauds Obama and says he’s the only one who could have resolved this. Media plays up Obama’s leadership.
Never let a crisis go to waste indeed!
Count de Money (0d1e72) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:05 amChicago Public Schools are basically a babysitting service for the kids and a feather bed for the teachers. If the kids are not “homeschooled”, they learn nothing at all.
Take that back. They learn gangs and drugs.
No responsible parent sends his kids to a Chicago Public School.
I don’t blame the teachers for wanting more money for having to be zookeepers.
We moved out of the city when the daughter was born.
Yes, this is a racist comment.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:05 am_________________________________________
where does President Obama stand?
You mean the limousine liberal occupying the White House?! He sends his own precious kids to private schools, in DC and previously in Chicago. But he’ll proudly tell everyone that unlike the mean ol’ Republicans, he happily throws more money at the Department of Education. After all, a huge pencil-pushing bureaucracy, full of zillions of pencil-pushing bureaucrats, goes straight to the heart of the problem.
^ And, yet, too many people fall for the notion that because liberals/Democrats are infused with so much compassion, love and tolerance, even if they talk out of both sides of their mouth, that’s okay. Because compassion, love and tolerance absolve all sins, including the ethics and honesty of boiler-room-type unionists. Because compassion, love and tolerance mean never having to say you’re sorry.
Mark (5a66fe) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:06 amMy daughter goes to what is probably the best public school in the country. The whole school district, four schools, has fewer students than my sister in law’s (principal) CPS school.
One day, my daughter was sent home early. I asked, “Why”? She said, “The teacher asked me what 2 times 3 is and I said 6”. I said, “But that’s right!” My daughter said, “Then the teacher asked me what 3 times 2 is”. I said, “What’s the f***ing difference?” My daughter said, “That’s what I said!”
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:22 amObama’s kids went to the University of Chicago’s lab school which is available to all UofC employees but the kids still have to pass entrance exams.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:25 am(A) Yes, this is a racist comment.
followed by:
(B) Comment by nk — 9/11/2012 @ 8:05 am
— Talk about your Department of Redundancy Department!
Icy (ae1d87) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:30 amWe all know that Rahm Emanuel has it in him to rip someone’s throat out with their teeth, then eat his opponent’s entrails.
I’m hoping that will happen in Chicago. What is this world coming to?
bridget (a44b32) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:30 amNK,
Isn’t the north shore suburban Winnetka-Wilmette district (that has New Trier High School) considered the best public schools district in Chicagoland ?
New Trier, as you probably know, is where they filmed ‘The Breakfast Club,’ and it’s the alma mater of Charlton Heston, Rock Hudson, Ann Margaret, and some guy by the name of Donald Rumsfeld !
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:31 amLikely scenario: Union digs in it’s heels and Rahm throws up his hands and asks Obama to intervene. Obama rides in and the union capitulates from the sheer force of his personality.
— Tell us again how ‘likely’ that “union capitulates” part is?
Icy (ae1d87) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:35 amWe all enjoy a good fairy tale, now and then.
Chicago’s Deputy Mayor for Education sent her kids there, Elephant Stone. There was one heck of a juggling of residency requirements.
Forget it
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:36 amJakeElephant Stone. This is Chinatown.My son was doing really bad in school. He hated math and always slacked off on his homework. My wife and I made the decision to get him out of public school and send him to Catholic school.
When he gets home after the first day, he immediately goes upstairs. I follow and peek into his room and he’s doing his math homework. The same thing happens each day after for a week.
I finally ask him why going to the new school suddenly changed his work habits. He explains, “Well Dad, the first day of school, they took us all into this big room and when I saw the guy nailed to the plus sign, I knew they meant business!”
Count de Money (0d1e72) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:36 amThey’re not getting their paychecks, pension credits or contributions, or union dues, Icy. Echognomics.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:39 amCount de Money, a big hurrah, sir.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:40 amAnd to you sir, Mr. nk
Count de Money (0d1e72) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:42 amNK,
Well played on the “Chi
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:45 amnatown” line of dialogue !R.I.P. Bill Moggridge, developer of the clamshell case design for laptop computers
Icy (ae1d87) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:45 am— Insert your casket jokes here, before Jay Leno beats you to it.
Count de Money,
That “they mean business” punchline is priceless.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:46 amThere are reports that some teachers are actively soliciting students to join them on the picket lines.
Because its all about teh children.
Icy (ae1d87) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:49 amUnder ordinary circumstances, not very. But if the unions can give Obama an opportunity to look better in an election year, they’ll be in the tank for him.
Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:50 amObama can’t afford to piss off the Teacher’s unions, they are a mainstay of the machine: big money and dead people voting for him.
So he will pressure Rahm to “be reasonable” and fold up like a sleeve. From behind the curtain, if possible – he’s got no good optics here. If he publicly supports the union, Chicago parents will eat him alive.
Space Cockroach (8096f2) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:55 amGee, did anyone consider the possibility that the teachers went on strike NOW so that they could try to get their demands met BEFORE Obama becomes a lame duck in November?
Seems to me that’s a more plausible theory than any “it’s a set-up so that Obama can ride in to save the day” nonsense.
Icy (ae1d87) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:06 amIcy, they will ultimately be dealing with the state, not Obama, to get their contract, so the Presidential race won’t affect their negotiations.
Unless Obama comes in as a mediator, and helps resolve it, which will make the msm swoon.
kinlaw (8f4928) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:16 amI should have put scare quotes around “capitulates”. Of course, it will be no such thing. The salary offer is already generous and in-line with what other teacher’s union locals have gotten (e.g. NYC’s) The work rule changes will be modified and neutered.
But it will be played up as Obama standing up to the teachers union and the union backing down. The union will really get what it wants and the Obama campaign gets the optics it wants.
It attempts to neutralize the Republican charge that Obama is in the pocket of the public employee unions. In reality, they’re both in each other’s pockets.
I give it about a week to play out. We’ll see.
Count de Money (0d1e72) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:23 amNo one will “capitulate” when Obama rides in. Obama will encourage both sides to reach a compromise, and the sheer wonderfulness of his Benign Presence will bring about said compromise and Obama’s reelection.
Also, money will change hands.
Roland (5ff18d) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:24 amYup. The Daleys are no Ronald Reagans. They do not replace strikers and dissolve the union. They buy it off.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:28 amGee, did anyone consider the possibility that the old Chicago political machine is still not happy that Rahm, the carpetbagger who grew up in the suburbs, returned “home” to Chicago for the sole purpose to burnish his own career? Have you forgotten how “they” fought in court to prove his recent residency in Washington did not meet the requirement for him to be on the mayoral ballot? Do you think all these Democrat heirs-apparent and power seekers and money grabbers and ward heelers just curled up and gave up the fight when the people elected Rahm because they thought he would be the most competent and possibly less corrupt than the other candidates who ran?
“They” want Rahm to seem weakened and flailing and to look incompetent to run the city. There is much at stake here. The fact that the signs the protesters hold say about Rahm many of the same vicious and personal things they said about Walker in WI is a clue.
The union’s optics are terrible and (for now) much of the taxpaying public and media are on Rahm’s side. I don’t know how long that will last if this drags on and on. Since Rahm and the school board are trying to institute many of Arne Duncan’s school reforms while trying to keep the system afloat financially, Obama “riding to the rescue” (or even getting involved) is unlikely IMO. That would be way too risky for the guy who golfs and votes “present”.
elissa (2bab4e) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:43 amThe crocodiles have run out of feed and are eying their enablers.
Go! Crocs! Go!
Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:46 amnk – Given your attraction to weightlifters, that Karen Lewis seems right up your alley.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:47 amNo, elissa. The teachers do not give a hoot about that. Their politics, and work ethic, is the paycheck they bring home and their pension and health benefits.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:53 amI have never seen an ugly woman, daleyrocks.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:57 amThe red shirts are using cartoon pictures of Rahm in tutu ballet attire on their picket signs. No. Nothing personal there. Another marching teacher held high for the media a hand printed sign, “Rahm, I’m proudly showing my students how to stand up to bullies”.
elissa (2bab4e) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:58 amKaren Lewis iznopretty but she is one tough cookie. She should have been a trial lawyer.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:00 amTrash talk, elissa. There was a
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:04 ammansomething cursing out a lady for taking too long at the ATM at Addison and Elston, day before yesterday.I heard that the head of the Chicago Teachers Union is an old communist party member and supporter of the one. That would be his motivation to participate in a picture perfect Obama steps in and saves the day prank.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:22 amName, MD? The President is a woman, Karen Lewis. The Vice-President is some geek, last name Sharkey.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:24 amTeachers picketing outside the 9/11 memorial service where The Gov. of Illinois was speaking. All class these people.
elissa (2bab4e) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:28 amMr. Patterico,sir, of what are you ingesting while creating this tome?
PCD (1d8b6d) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:29 amRahm may be a Democrat, but he’s not stupid. This is his PATCO moment and will set the course for all his labor negotiations.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:50 am_______________________________________
Teachers picketing outside the 9/11 memorial service
Speaking of which, Joe Biden described 9-ll as a “bittersweet” moment. [Insert sound here of phonograph record being scratched] Huh? So that infamous day was, on one hand, bitter but, on the other hand, also sweet?! If so, no wonder other people similar to Slow-Joe can sort of shrug off the whole thing by picketing outside a memorial to that tragedy 11 years ago.
And the left had the gall, the friggin’ nerve, to mock Sarah Palin?!!
Mark (5a66fe) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:55 amAfter watching news coverage of the strike, I had to think, when was it that Chicago closed the Stock-Yards?
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:08 amSome of their demands – probably their most important demands – are technically illegal. In Illinois, I read, teachers are allowed to strike over wage,, but not over such things as teacher evaluations – yet that’s probably what’s really motivating this.
This strike will not be settled quickly, because both sides have to pretend they are not bargaining over something – and also Rahm Emanuel won’t give in easily on this stuff.
An uplifting thought: It really doesn’t matter if the kids miss a year of school. What goes on in most public schools in the U.S. is tremendously redundant.
President Obama was 100% wrong when he implied in his acceptance speech it is a terrible thing to miss even a day of school.
Malia and Sasha, we are so proud of you. (Cheers, applause.) And yes, you do have to go to school in the morning
What nonsense! Especially this being the start of the school year.
You know what else he said:
Some of the worst schools in the country have made real gains in math and reading
In other words, you never close a school. Schools are immortal or at least open so long as they have teachers. His goal is only to improve existing schools.
And now you have a choice.
What’s the choice? Different schools? No! This is the choice:
We can gut education, or we can decide that in the United States of America, no child should have her dreams deferred because of a crowded classroom or a crumbling school.
So, schools are bad because they are crowded or because the building is bad. Nothing to do with what’s going on there.
No family should have to set aside a college acceptance letter because they don’t have the money.
If families DON’T do that, college tuition inflation will continue.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:30 amComment by Chuck Bartowski — 9/11/2012 @ 7:15 am
And the teachers think this performance merits back-to-back 15% annual raise </I.
That's a cover story. They are asking for extremely high wage increases because they can't legally strike over anything else. But really they are concerned over teacher evaluations.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:32 amNow that there is a strike, statutory rape will be less common.
Michael Ejercito (2e0217) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:33 amComment by Sammy Finkelman — 9/11/2012 @ 11:32 am
Obama says all that and then goes play golf. Empty suit, empty chair, empty words.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:36 amChristoPundit links to John Fund who has no footnotes or references.
You’ll find them here
Bureau of labor Statistics: Chicago metro area (Chicagoland) teachers average $55-60 thousand
The actual pay raise is about 2.25% for many teachers, not most.
Losing two holidays. With price increases, that amounts pretty much to a wash.
Mad Dog Jim Cramer on Twitter
“I have a problem. My dad, a vet, won’t be allowed to vote in Pa. because he does not drive, he is elderly, and can’t prove his citizenship.”
Block that vote!
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:55 amSammy is right. The real gripe of the unions in the Wisconsin protests was removing the requirement that employers collect dues for the unions. Here the real story is the teacher evaluations, not the pay raises.
Roscoe (15d927) — 9/11/2012 @ 12:24 pmFire them all!
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/11/2012 @ 12:32 pmWho knows, the kids might learn more.
lol@Patterico members who are hoping Obama loses his home state over this.
Jeremy Wolcott (4228f0) — 9/11/2012 @ 3:06 pmLol@ wolcott who maintains his 100% douchenozzle rating.
JD (ecf0b9) — 9/11/2012 @ 3:24 pmObama can’t afford to piss off the Teacher’s unions, they are a mainstay of the machine: big money and dead people voting for him.
So he will pressure Rahm to “be reasonable” and fold up like a sleeve. From behind the curtain, if possible – he’s got no good optics here. If he publicly supports the union, Chicago parents will eat him alive.
Absolutely. At the very most, he will vote “present”.
But it’s very telling that he hasn’t weighed in on the hometown happenings. But then he hasn’t weighed in on Chicago’s outrageous murder rate this
summeryear either, so I guess there is some consistency… in looking the other way.Not that this is about politics or anything…
Dana (292dcf) — 9/11/2012 @ 4:59 pmYou folks are being too hard on Obama. The man just wants to be left alone to eat his waffle, play a little golf, and take questions from People magazine about the Kardashians.
He doesn’t have time for all this other stuff.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/11/2012 @ 5:21 pmI mean, who is this Prime Minister of Israel to think he can attempt to squeeze into Obama’s schedule—he’s a busy man !
“You’ve got the best paid teachers in the country, who already take home nearly $30,000 per year more on average than the average Chicago family”
What’s the relevance of the take-home of the average Chicago family?
That also misses that this is about much more than pay — which the sides aren’t that far on. There’s also how big of a role testing will play in education and how school closings are going to be handled.
marathonman (fbb879) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:25 pmThat also misses that this is about much more than pay — which the sides aren’t that far on. There’s also how big of a role testing will play in education and how school closings are going to be handled.
Neither of which are issues that their contract allows strikes for. And if you don’t see the relevance of how their pay compares to the average Chicago family, then it is safe to assume that you are just a trolling troll what trolls.
JD (ecf0b9) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:28 pmOh good grief, it’s about increased teacher accountability and scrutiny – and how much the teachers do not want any part of it.
Dana (292dcf) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:34 pmThere’s all sorts of problems! Like for example, what’s the education level and working hours of the average chicago family? And do they have jobs as hard as teaching? And do they even have jobs? Do they have unions? You’re not very numerate, are you? Did you see foxnews using two different unemployment numbers? You should. It seems right up your alley.
But anyway, you get that they’re not far on the pay issue.
“Neither of which are issues that their contract allows strikes for.”
They’re negotiating these issues.
marathonman (fbb879) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:34 pmmarathonman – Is it safe?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:38 pmWhat other names have your trolled under, troll?
JD (ecf0b9) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:38 pmmarathonman, Chicago teachers are overpaid and underperforming. That’s pretty obvious, and you’ve got no troll to distract from that.
But then, overpaid and underperforming pretty much defines Democrats these days.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:38 pmMy daughter has been scoring 99th percentile in reading on every test. I don’t credit the teachers, I credit mama’s one hour of homework every night and books that the daughter wants to read. Like Percy Jackson, The Hunger Games, etc.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:40 pmThey’re close on the pay issue, so at least as far as management is concerned, it’s not an overpay issue that they’re pushing, it’s the corporate teach to the test model that they want to impose.
marathonman (fbb879) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:40 pm“My daughter has been scoring 99th percentile in reading on every test. I don’t credit the teachers, I credit mama’s one hour of homework every night and books that the daughter wants to read. Like Percy Jackson, The Hunger Games, etc.”
Exactly the problem with the teach to the test model. It’s too bad that the unions are one of the few organized ways to fight back.
marathonman (fbb879) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:41 pmReally? You can’t figure that out? The relevance shows how well or poorly compensated teachers are among their own community. As it turns out, Chicago teachers make roughly 60% above the mean income for their area, which would be very well compensated for any job.
Chuck Bartowski (da57d4) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:41 pmTeachers who teach to the test shouldn’t be teaching at all. They obviously lack the know-how and imagination to get their students to learn what is necessary.
How do you propose to measure teacher performance? Better still, how does the teachers’ union propose to measure teacher performance?
Chuck Bartowski (da57d4) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:44 pm“Really? You can’t figure that out? The relevance shows how well or poorly compensated teachers are among their own community. As it turns out, Chicago teachers make roughly 60% above the mean income for their area, which would be very well compensated for any job.”
So there’s no controlling for the demands of the job, or the activity in the community? Next you’ll tell me that this same innumeracy underpins your support for the teach to test model of education?
marathonman (fbb879) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:44 pmI’m not ready to give up on Rahm, yet. I hope he is using the substitute teacher phone number base* to permanently replace the strikers.
*Substitute teachers make themselves available for a midnight call from a principal.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:45 pmAnyone recognize this multiple IP using cowardly lying troll?
JD (ecf0b9) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:45 pm“marathonman” hates schoolchildren. And education. Because it hearts it’s union masters. Because of the children.
JD (ecf0b9) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:48 pmmarathonman,
Just because the parents suck, doesn’t mean the children should be left behind. That’s what makes a professionall — you do the job even if it’s unpleasant and underpaid.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:49 pm“Teachers who teach to the test shouldn’t be teaching at all. They obviously lack the know-how and imagination to get their students to learn what is necessary.”
Agreed, which is why we shouldn’t give them incentives for teaching to the test.
“How do you propose to measure teacher performance? Better still, how does the teachers’ union propose to measure teacher performance?”
The CTU has a report titled “The schools chicago’s students deserve.” Maybe start there to see the reforms they’d like to see.
marathonman (fbb879) — 9/11/2012 @ 7:56 pmIsn’t it cute how the same trollish trolls just cannot quit us? A new name, new IP addy, and the same old sophistry …
JD (ecf0b9) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:02 pmYeah, I am embarassed one more time by some f*ga**s. Taking it seriously.
nk (875f57) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:13 pmSo there’s no controlling for the demands of the job, or the activity in the community?
marathonman – Sure there is and the people who pay their salaries, the taxpayers are free to make their judgements the way they see fit, controlling for how difficult they think the job is and whether they think overall the teachers have been successful and deserve the piggish 30% raises in a recession they originally asked for with the below grade level results and drop out rates they produce. Meanwhile, is it reasonable for teachers to avoid all accountability for performance and for the union to forced the city to rehire the ones which were terminated over the past year? Only die hard innumerate progtards believe that.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:16 pmIn terms of demands of the job, teaching is not much different from dozens of jobs. Some of those pay more than teaching, some pay less. I don’t think a teacher making close to $75K a year is underpaid.
I never said I support the teach to the test model, you are a damnable liar for saying as much.
Don’t tell me: marathonman is our old friend imdw, right?
Chuck Bartowski (da57d4) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:17 pmNicely done Rico.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:50 pm“marathonman – Sure there is and the people who pay their salaries, the taxpayers are free to make their judgements the way they see fit, controlling for how difficult they think the job is and whether they think overall the teachers have been successful and deserve the piggish 30% raises in a recession they originally asked for with the below grade level results and drop out rates they produce.”
I don’t think you got that “controlling for demands of the job” was for the comparison to averages.
Also, the raises they’re close to aren’t all coming during a recession — they’re spread out over several years. You can find this out by reading a few articles about the negotiations.
“In terms of demands of the job, teaching is not much different from dozens of jobs”
Can’t argue with that. But that’s different than saying a comparison to average income is apropos.
marathonman (fbb879) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:59 pmWhat I’m hearing from the educator Obots in rural MN is fear that the CTU strike will sink D*ckhead.
Oh, innumeracy requires some use of numbers, fool.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:59 pmChicago’s cost of living is 21% over the national urban average. That leaves Chicago teachers 30% over paid.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:02 pm“Oh, innumeracy requires some use of numbers, fool.”
“Chicago’s cost of living is 21% over the national urban average. That leaves Chicago teachers 30% over paid.”
*THIS* You really can’t argue against. Well done.
marathonman (fbb879) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:04 pmEver day Jaba the Hut wades before the Red Tide is a bad day for BootBlack.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:05 pmSo, teaching children, as a teacher, to pass tests, based on what the teacher taught, is a bad thing?
And if it’s a bad thing, it’s not the teacher’s fault? So long as they continue to have jobs is the important thing, no matter how well they do that job, that’s the most important thing.
Have I got that right?
Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/11/2012 @ 9:06 pm“So, teaching children, as a teacher, to pass tests, based on what the teacher taught, is a bad thing?”
Ag80 – Racist. They are supposed to have jobs for life no matter how poorly they perform them or how many times they molest the students.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:14 pmI think the ones who can’t spell the words correctly on their homemade protest signs deserve to be fired.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/11/2012 @ 10:18 pmComment by daleyrocks — 9/11/2012 @ 10:14 pm
So, teaching children, as a teacher, to pass tests, based on what the teacher taught, is a bad
Supposedly yes, because there’s so much that they teach, that’s not on any test. Like, uh – Geography!! They’ll have to drop all their geography trying to get their students to pass tests in reading and math.
And then there’s – Penmanship!! Nobody will ever teach children script again if they have to keep them working on the multiplication tables or reading comprehension.. There’s no state mandated test for penmanship. Or spelling. Children will grow up without ever having learned to sign their name. They won’t be able to sign or endorse checks. Or contracts.
For that matter, they won’t be able to vote!!!
And what about – Civics!
And then extras, like arts and crafts, drawing, basketball, physics, biology.
If it’s not on any tests, teachers won’t teach it.
And then, the wrong teachers might get credit for teaching someone to read. Teaching is a collective effort. What’s the incentive for anyone to teach some child to read, if some other teacher, in the next grade, will get all the credit? Teachers should not be in competition with each other where one teacher’s loss is another’s gain, or vice versa. They’ll start acting like medical students!!
Keeping children proficient in reading and math, is such, hard hard work. Virtually impossible, actually, But teachers will feel compelled to try, in the only way they know how: drill and drill, and test taking skills. And they’ll never teach anything else.
No arts, no science. No penmanship. And when those children grow up, other people will forge their signatures.
Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:32 pmI really am worried about keeping my little one interested in grade school.
She’s reading sentences, doing simple math and addition as a preschooler. Knows her Spanish numbers, colors, comparatives. Knows planets, continents, hundreds of species,…
She uses an iPhone expertly, Mr. Presentdente.
I’ll have to run her double time thru the grades and she’s merely somewhere between bright and brilliant. A few every hundred just like her.
We are well an truly hosed.
I remember Dick, Jane and Spot.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/12/2012 @ 3:21 amTeachers’ Pay, across OECD countries
Most of those countries also have better student performance on standardized tests.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/12/2012 @ 6:22 am“The teach to the test” model has an advantage over the teachers union proposals — the students at least learn the tested material.
SPQR (c33949) — 9/12/2012 @ 6:54 amMost countries that outscore us actually have more extensive testing, and their tests have greater consequences.
SPQR (c33949) — 9/12/2012 @ 6:56 amI am a product of Chicago’s Public Schools. Avondale, Lane Tech. Suspended every year in high school, handcuffs twice, jail once, juvenile court once.
I survived it because I had good parents who gave me money to buy books, among many other things they gifted me. Alexander said of Aristotle that he was his other father. Unfortunately, there are few Aristotles in CPS.
nk (875f57) — 9/12/2012 @ 7:06 amSammy, I can’t tell whether you’re serious or just engaging in some very good satire. I am hoping it’s the latter, and if so, then I congratulate you on an outstanding effort.
Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd) — 9/12/2012 @ 7:29 amSleepy
We also at our expense a large population of children whose parents did not attend school past the 6th grade. These people are mostly not citizens and comprise up to 1/7th of our students
This has an affect on overall performance.
Additionally, the United states has more poor than most of the other OECD countries and a much higher single mother population as well.
This also affects the overall scores
EPWJ (8a4ca7) — 9/12/2012 @ 7:52 amsorry the word educate is missing from the first sentence
EPWJ (8a4ca7) — 9/12/2012 @ 7:52 am” Suspended every year in high school, handcuffs twice, jail once, juvenile court once.”
Sounds about right.
“Most countries that outscore us actually have more extensive testing, and their tests have greater consequences.”
And they invest in the future. We don’t.
“Additionally, the United states has more poor than most of the other OECD countries and a much higher single mother population as well.”
And that makes us the greatest country on earth. Call it “American exceptionalism.”
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/08/22/the-lost-decade-of-the-middle-class/1/
Tax the poor feed the rich.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/12/2012 @ 9:46 amSleeeeerpy’s daily hatefest is so tedious.
JD (b2ddcc) — 9/12/2012 @ 9:53 am“Sleeeeerpy’s daily hatefest is so tedious.”
JD – Especially his self-refuting links.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/12/2012 @ 9:59 am_____________________________________________
And they invest in the future. We don’t.
Uh, yea, we’re such a tightwad nation when it comes to education.
Call it “American exceptionalism.”
Well, when we have decades of excessive immigration — ie, illegal immigration (no thanks to the we’re-okay-you’re-okay, do-gooder left) — from societies where education isn’t highly valued, and the disreputable part of our history that provokes some people in today’s era (when observing continuous reports of criminality and, in particular, looting that involves so-called flash mobs) to sniff, “we should have picked our own cotton!,” then, yep, we’re exceptional.
Mark (5a66fe) — 9/12/2012 @ 10:02 am_____________________________________________
Sleeeeerpy’s daily hatefest is so tedious.
When I envision him as being someone who’s rather young, perhaps in his 20s or certainly teen years, I find I can’t get too annoyed by such people. But when I insert his voice in the body of someone far older (say, someone in his 50s, such as America’s current president), I can’t help but shake my head and — quite honestly (and not sarcastically) — truly believe the part of the brain that controls the common sense of such people must be severely damaged or lacking.
Mark (5a66fe) — 9/12/2012 @ 10:08 amFrom President Obama’s statement this morning:
While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.
For some reason he seems to accept the narrative that the rioting and rioting were due to some purported movie proposal rather than him spiking the football over Osama bin Laden’s death or the Anniversary of 9/11, but does not issue any support for the constitutional principles of America.
Feckless putz.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/12/2012 @ 10:12 amWrong thread.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/12/2012 @ 10:15 amAmen, Daleyrocks. The idea that this is about some America. Film that nobody has seen is laughable. Disgusting.
JD (16fdce) — 9/12/2012 @ 10:20 amMore Obamanomics success in which teachers demand 30% raises:
“WASHINGTON — In a fresh sign that the country’s middle class has yet to feel the gains from a weak economic recovery, median household income declined last year to $50,054, a level last seen in 1996, the Census Bureau reported Wednesday. This income measure, adjusted for inflation, was down by 1.5 percent from the previous year. It peaked in 1999, when the median income for American households reached $53,252.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/us/us-incomes-dropped-last-year-census-bureau-says.html?_r=1&hp
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/12/2012 @ 10:22 amSF @ 89:
“Supposedly yes, because there’s so much that they teach, that’s not on any test. Like, uh – Geography!! They’ll have to drop all their geography trying to get their students to pass tests in reading and math.”
95. Comment by Chuck Bartowski — 9/12/2012 @ 7:29 am
Sammy, I can’t tell whether you’re serious or just engaging in some very good satire. I am hoping it’s the latter, and if so, then I congratulate you on an outstanding effort.
It’s satire. I had the thought that parts of it could look like it was meant at face value – but I did start off with “supposedly”.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/12/2012 @ 12:12 pm104. Comment by daleyrocks — 9/12/2012 @ 10:15 am
Wrong thread.
What’s the right thread? I put something in Our Candidate is Toast thread.
I am getting very suspicious that Terry Jones is a foreign agent.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/12/2012 @ 12:14 pmSammy – you are an idiot.
JD (16fdce) — 9/12/2012 @ 12:16 pm“What’s the right thread?”
Sammy – The right thread for a comment about the teacher’s strike would be the thread below the post about the teacher’s strike. Seems very self-evident to me.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/12/2012 @ 12:19 pmNo I am referring to comment number 103:
“From President Obama’s statement this morning”
Comment about that seems to be in the “More random observations … Updated x3” thread.
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Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master (8e2a3d) — 9/12/2012 @ 8:00 pmLike Patterico, I’ll be bipartisan about the Chicago teachers’ strike. I support requiring that Chicago teachers participate in Michelle Obama’s “Let’s Move” campaign.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 9/13/2012 @ 6:57 amhttp://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/sep/12/two-visions-chicagos-schools/
Some of you might have heard of Diane Ravitch
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This is the vision that Washington now supports, and that the Chicago school board, appointed by current mayor and former Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, endorses: more school closings, more privately managed schools, more testing, merit pay, longer school hours. But in Chicago itself, where these reforms started, most researchers agree that the results have been mixed at best. There has been no renaissance. After nearly twenty years of reform, the schools of Chicago remain among the lowest performing in the nation.
The Chicago Teachers Union has a different vision: it wants smaller classes, more social workers, air-conditioning in the sweltering buildings where summer school is conducted, and a full curriculum, with teachers of arts and foreign languages in every school. Some schools in Chicago have more than forty students in a class, even in kindergarten. There are 160 schools without libraries; more than 40 percent have no teachers of the arts.
What do the teachers want? The main sticking point is the seemingly arcane issue of teacher evaluations. The mayor wants student test scores to count heavily in determining whether a teacher is good (and gets a bonus) or bad (and is fired). The union points to research showing that test-based evaluation is inaccurate and unfair. Chicago is a city of intensely segregated public schools and high levels of youth violence. Teachers know that test scores are influenced not only by their instruction but by what happens outside the classroom.
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