Patterico's Pontifications

9/10/2012

Democrats on God and Israel in a Political Ad

Filed under: 2012 Election,General — Patterico @ 7:30 am

For Mitt Romney? No, for Allen West:

God forbid Romney should hit hard like this.

(See what I did there?)

92 Comments

  1. Ding.

    Comment by Patterico (83033d) — 9/10/2012 @ 7:36 am

  2. Donald Trump agrees, this morning on FOX NEWS he said that if Romney doesn’t fight back he’s end up losing the race. John McCain refused to fight back and look where it got him.

    Comment by ropelight (723ff5) — 9/10/2012 @ 7:43 am

  3. Romney is terrified he might actually defeat The First Black President.

    Comment by DN (5030ad) — 9/10/2012 @ 7:52 am

  4. Three times. This should resonate, especially in the Bible Belt.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 9/10/2012 @ 8:04 am

  5. I used to think Romney was going to fight hard for this election, but now I’m not so sure.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/10/2012 @ 8:08 am

  6. DN is cute

    Comment by Icy (e4ca1c) — 9/10/2012 @ 8:11 am

  7. So a country is destroyed. 2 and a half million or so refugees. Thousands and thousands dead and wounded. For what?
    And you blather about your god.
    The Republican party is becoming the party of Christian Salafists.

    The US does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
    That’s not gonna change.

    Comment by sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/10/2012 @ 8:39 am

  8. sleeeeepy, it could change at any time. Your comments are not getting any more coherent.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/10/2012 @ 8:42 am

  9. Jooooooooooos are just a dog whistle for sleeeeeeerpy.

    Comment by JD (0b7085) — 9/10/2012 @ 8:43 am

  10. “it could change at any time.”
    No it couldn’t and it won’t.

    Romney is campaigning with Pat Robertson, defender of Charles Taylor (see also Freedom Gold).

    On Friday Ryan is meeting with the Family Research Council, who still back Akin (see: “legitimate rape”)

    Bringing God and Morality back into politics.

    Comment by sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/10/2012 @ 9:06 am

  11. Meanwhile, Chicago has the highest gasoline prices (and the highest sales tax rate — coincidence?) in the nation; AND all its teachers are out on-strike, leaving 400,000 kids with nothing to do all day . . . except get into trouble.

    Heckuva job, Rahm! Heckuva job.

    Comment by Icy (e4ca1c) — 9/10/2012 @ 9:07 am

  12. Note that with sleeeeepy “guilt by association” is EXACTLY THE SAME as full-fledged personally responsible guilt. If just ONE extremist orthodox Jew in Israel spits on a Christian, then the entire State of Israel is to be written off as a marauding horde of immoral land-stealers.

    Comment by Icy (e4ca1c) — 9/10/2012 @ 9:13 am

  13. sleeeeepy, you really show your utter ignorance. The US policy on recognizing Jerusalem is based upon foreign policy positions that can change whenever the President wishes.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/10/2012 @ 9:16 am

  14. ______________________________________________

    Three times. This should resonate, especially in the Bible Belt.

    To me it should resonate among anyone who isn’t an ultra-liberal. That the modern-day Democrat Party and its leading supporters consider the use of “God” in its platform as controversial and unappealing — and I won’t even mention the issue of Jerusalem and Israel — really makes me snicker when some of those same liberals have the audacity to claim that the Republican Party in today’s era is quite dogmatic and purist.

    Comment by Mark (e03145) — 9/10/2012 @ 9:17 am

  15. As sleeeeeeeeerpy opposes the FRC, by it’s standards, it approves of the leftist Dem gunman that attacked their offices because of their beliefs.

    Comment by JD (0b7085) — 9/10/2012 @ 9:17 am

  16. This, from the State Department website:
    Israel proclaimed Jerusalem as its capital in 1950. The United States, like nearly all other countries, maintains its embassy in Tel Aviv.

    – You’ve gotta love that “like nearly all other countries” part. It’s as if they’re saying “we recognize your sovereignty — sort of.”

    Comment by Icy (e4ca1c) — 9/10/2012 @ 9:27 am

  17. So a country is destroyed. 2 and a half million or so refugees.

    What “country” are we talking about here?

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/10/2012 @ 9:47 am

  18. sleeeepy – What is Romney’s connection to Kevin Bacon?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/10/2012 @ 10:44 am

  19. 17. Oh Jordan of course. King marries a drop-dead gorgeous Palistinian and she can’t even get them the vote in the Hashemite oligarchy’s token parliament. At least 7 million within borders.

    Israel will not need us on their ‘side’. It would help if we didn’t shoot their planes down but they are easily capable of achieving air superiority over Israel against us.

    At least 70 million in Iran. EMP strikes will depreciate their capital improvements over night. All of them.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/10/2012 @ 10:45 am

  20. sleeeepy – Meanwhile, President Obama has once again snagged the coveted endorsement of Iranian President Imadamnutjob, who denies the Holocaust and wants to wipe Israel off the map, so at least he’s got that going for him again, which is nice.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/10/2012 @ 10:50 am

  21. sleeeeepy makes a very good point; once the Jooooos took over the governments of Somalia, Rwanda, Guatemala, Venezuela, and Afghanistan, those once-prospering nations went to hell in a handbasket !

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/10/2012 @ 10:55 am

  22. Aren’t these folk, still exhorting Romany to fight like a girl hilarious?

    I was greatly surprised with the Ryan tab, but in retrospect he was cast in a Bain mold. Romney loves him like a son.

    We got our miracle.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/10/2012 @ 10:55 am

  23. From my house, I can see a lot of daylight between the U.S. and Israel under President Obama.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/10/2012 @ 10:57 am

  24. I think Team Romney is doing a decent job telling the US why it shouldn’t vote for Obama, and they should keep it up. What I would like to see more of is a reason to vote for R&R instead. I thought Romney’s use of the white board to explain the math behind his economics plan vs Obama’s a few weeks ago was good, and I’d like to see it taken to another level. I want to see actual numbers. I don’t want him to just write the words he’s speaking like a power point slide, I want to see visuals. I think this brings out his highly intelligent, “every-man” side – he needs more of that.

    Comment by Book (0e06b5) — 9/10/2012 @ 11:05 am

  25. 23. And as with the OBL strike(s) there’s uknown but certain daylight between the WH, Clinton’s State, and Panetta’s Pentagon and the various Services.

    Hours here or there will be important.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/10/2012 @ 11:08 am

  26. I can’t help but believe that there would be some resistance in the ranks to any shoot-down order involving planes from the IDF – especially as those planes were targeting a sworn enemy of the United States with whom we have been in a technical State-of-War since 1979.

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/10/2012 @ 11:10 am

  27. Well, it did happen in West’s back yard.

    I think it’s like the gay marriage issue. The majority of Americans like to leave people alone, including whether they go to church and which one they go to. But they don’t like being told what to do and not do and what to believe and not believe. The left says, “Against Abortion? Don’t have one!” The right says, “Against Nativity scenes? Don’t look at it!”
    Thou at the end of the day in one case something that is “at least arguably” a human is dead.

    The issue is how the debate gets framed. Are more people concerned that Conservatives are going to make everyone go to church in order to get a job, or that Liberals want to eliminate any mention of God in public discourse.

    I mean, really, just look at how much better the educational system in the US is once prayer was eliminated.

    In fact, I heard that someone wants them to pray in Chicago schools again, and that’s why the teachers are on strike. Good for them!! [sarc ;-) ]

    Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/10/2012 @ 11:15 am

  28. Mark,

    I agree in general but denying God three times will especially resonate in the Bible Belt because of the Biblical parallel.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 9/10/2012 @ 11:29 am

  29. “So a country is destroyed. 2 and a half million or so refugees. Thousands and thousands dead and wounded. For what?”

    1. What country is that?

    2. For what? For reclaiming Judeo-Christian lands stolen by Muslim imperialists and colonialists centuries ago. That’s for what. They swiped it, and now we’re swiping it back.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/10/2012 @ 11:33 am

  30. 7. We had Evans-Pritchard detailing the other day, regarding Israel’s ally against Iran, that the Sauds will no longer be a petroleum exporter by 2030, likely sooner. Already the consume a quarter of their production.

    The geopolitical importance of Arabia’s shirttail relatives, the Palis peaked sometime ago.

    When the shooting starts the blood feuds will be settled first, then an only then, will the Jooooos be a focus.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/10/2012 @ 11:52 am

  31. On Friday Ryan is meeting with the Family Research Council, who still back Akin (see: “legitimate rape”)

    Comment by sleeeepy — 9/10/2012 @ 9:06 am

    Don’t tell me you think he was saying a rape can be defensible. This is why nobody here takes you seriously. You can post that at Kos or something and everyone will agree.

    Comment by Gerald A (138c50) — 9/10/2012 @ 12:18 pm

  32. I had a discussion with my daughter about saying “God”. She has classmates who believe that any mention of God in a secular setting is taking His name in vain. We Greeks call on God, freely — God willing, go with God, God help us, Oh, My God, etc. Muslims, I believe, are required to always acknowledge God. I have seen this: A Muslim doctor talking to his patient, “You have [horrible disease], thank God”.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 9/10/2012 @ 12:22 pm

  33. “For what? For reclaiming Judeo-Christian lands stolen by Muslim imperialists and colonialists centuries ago. That’s for what. They swiped it, and now we’re swiping it back.”

    Jesus F. Christ.
    Wow.

    So can the Pagans now liberate Rome from the Catholics? Christianity is foreign influence in Europe.
    Zeus! Odin! Smite these barbarian infidels!

    Comment by sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/10/2012 @ 12:35 pm

  34. What is the joooooooooo hatin sleeeeeeerpy on about today?

    Comment by JD (0b7085) — 9/10/2012 @ 12:49 pm

  35. I think he thinks ? we should not point out what anal orifices Democrats are because that would make us the worst people in the world.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 9/10/2012 @ 12:54 pm

  36. “So can the Pagans now liberate Rome from the Catholics?”

    They could, except there ain’t no more Roman pagans. They kind of died out centuries ago.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:00 pm

  37. The anti-semitism of the left wing of the Democratic party on full display and the Jewish vote still hasn’t abandoned as it would if they had any real perception of their bedmates like sleeeepy.

    Comment by RDale (c6325f) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:09 pm

  38. 33. No one really has a qualitatively worse mouth than me.

    But seriously, don’t you feel so helpless, so powerless, Heisenberg and all?

    You’re the champion of a people whose men average an IQ of 72, Google it. Their idea of achievement in life is persuading a street urchin to blow up strangers, the more innocent the victims the better.

    Devolution.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:19 pm

  39. “They could, except there ain’t no more Roman pagans. They kind of died out centuries ago.”

    No dear, I’m sorry but religion isn’t like genetics, and Pagans aren’t neanderthals. Pagans became Christian just as Catholics became Protestant, Jews became Christian or Muslim and hippies became Buddhists.

    “The anti-semitism of the left wing of the Democratic party on full display and the Jewish vote”

    The same language used against Jews when they were called communists and free thinkers. Gary, you really are the descendant of Avraham Stern. You hang with the same crowd and try to do deals with the same people.

    Comment by sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:24 pm

  40. sleeeeepy,

    Are you actually saying you oppose foreigners and their religion and their belief systems ??!!
    Bro, don’t you know the internet is “forever” ?!
    You can’t walk that one back.

    Racist ! Xenophobe !

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:24 pm

  41. What cannot be walked back is the absolute stupidity and vapidity of the DNC.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:29 pm

  42. We had Clint Eastwood and they had Eva Longoria. Eva Longoria?

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:31 pm

  43. 39. “You hang with the same crowd and try to do deals with the same people.”

    Whatever it is I do, you are very definitely on the wrong scent. Give me a post office box # and I’ll mail you some soiled underwear.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:32 pm

  44. “No dear, I’m sorry but religion isn’t like genetics…”

    It is to this extent: Cultures/religions can die out just like species and the Roman culture/religion is as dead as the dinosaurs.

    They don’t have a political claim on Italy…because they no longer exist.

    That isn’t true of Judeo-Christians (or Jews and Christians, if you prefer to seperate them into distinct cultures), and Muslims.

    Those cultures still exist. The Romans don’t.

    And, the ongoing struggle in Israel is about which culture is going to have political control over the land.

    The Muslims (imperialists and colonialists) conquered the land a long time ago and now the Jews have swiped it back.

    You asked what the fighting is all about…so I told you.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:37 pm

  45. “No dear, I’m sorry but religion isn’t like genetics, and Pagans aren’t neanderthals.”

    sleeeepy – I will eagerly await Pagan land claims to be submitted to Italian courts and the opening of new Pagan casinos near Rome to compensate disenfranchised Pagans of the Roman era.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:57 pm

  46. ROOTS!

    and

    ROOT CAUSES!

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/10/2012 @ 1:59 pm

  47. Comment by Comment by Dave Surls — 9/10/2012 @ 1:00 pm

    Dave, I’m sure their are still a few Roman Pagans, somebody has to be buying those Harley’s in Italy.

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/10/2012 @ 2:06 pm

  48. There’s no point in engaging sleepy. Cattle won’t cross a river if they can’t see it. They’ll just mill around at the bank.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 9/10/2012 @ 2:07 pm

  49. Comment by nk — 9/10/2012 @ 1:31 pm

    The difference is that Clint would be a potential employer of Eva; the opposite is less likely.

    Didn’t someone once say that they wondered why Dems love employees so much, and employers so little; yet it takes an employer to have an employee.

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/10/2012 @ 2:10 pm

  50. Why would you disrespect cattle so much as to compare them with sleepy?

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/10/2012 @ 2:10 pm

  51. “Cattle won’t cross a river if they can’t see it. They’ll just mill around at the bank.”

    nk – You can lead a whore to culture, but you can’t make him think.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/10/2012 @ 2:15 pm

  52. daley, that’s just racist.

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/10/2012 @ 2:18 pm

  53. I had to Google to find who Eva Longoria is. Some starlet, showing her T’s&A, at direction, on a TV show that is a reason not have TV. She would not make a pimple on Eastwood’s behind.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 9/10/2012 @ 2:26 pm

  54. Does Israel consider Jerusalem their capital? Seems to me that’s the criteria. US blather on the subject is meaningless.

    Comment by Space Cockroach (8096f2) — 9/10/2012 @ 2:40 pm

  55. “The Muslims (imperialists and colonialists) conquered the land a long time ago and now the Jews have swiped it back.”

    Do you think all the Jews left the Middle East? The Palestinians are more “Jewish” than the Russian immigrants to Israel.

    In Yemen it’s a commonly held that Yemenis descend from Jews.
    Bosnian Muslims are converts. They don’t descend from invaders, and for all the Christians reading this page, your families were once Catholic.

    White settlers to the new world, moralizing about roots.
    Tell it to the Navajo. “imperialists and colonialists”
    When did you all stop defending empire?

    Comment by sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/10/2012 @ 3:08 pm

  56. SQUIRRELS EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!! Eleventy1111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by JD (0b7085) — 9/10/2012 @ 3:38 pm

  57. The rich irony is too sweet. Three times. Huh, who would have figured.

    Comment by Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 9/10/2012 @ 3:39 pm

  58. sleeeepy, grow up. Unless you can trace to Denisovan DNA, you are an invader too.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/10/2012 @ 3:42 pm

  59. sleeeepy #55 – what happened to the people who lived in the Four Corners area prior the Navajo hunting and gathering their way in from somewhere up in Canada ?

    I have said it before and I will say it again … when I hear an Militant Islamist (or convenient supportive idiot) say that the Crusades were a “War of Imperialism” that is “just yesterday” in its injustices to them (about 800 years or so ago), I will often point out that many people would like to go back to the “day before yesterday” (around 400 AD) when there was NO militant Islam and no Militant Muslims – because Islam didn’t even start, never mind come out of the Arabian Peninsula, conquering “with fire and sword” until after the 6th century …

    A good succinct summary of the spread of the major religions is here … presented visually …

    Comment by Alasdair (e7cb73) — 9/10/2012 @ 3:48 pm

  60. When people introduce themselves to my roommate as Palestinians, he introduces himself back as a Narnian.

    Comment by luagha (5cbe06) — 9/10/2012 @ 3:49 pm

  61. *snort*

    I just luaghed out loud !

    Comment by Alasdair (e7cb73) — 9/10/2012 @ 3:55 pm

  62. Me, too.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 9/10/2012 @ 4:02 pm

  63. If yer Godless and ya know it, clap yer hands… clap clap.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (fce587) — 9/10/2012 @ 4:16 pm

  64. “I used to think Romney was going to fight hard for this election, but now I’m not so sure.”

    Who will save God in the coins? Pathetic.

    Comment by Bro Smith (c7db3d) — 9/10/2012 @ 4:35 pm

  65. 55. “all the Christians reading this page, your families were once Catholic.”

    Nominally so. King Olaf converted in 1000 AD, but I have it on good authority my ancestors were unseaming, pillaging and, especially, raping, with some procreative intent, for centuries thereafter.

    When they became seed hoarders is a mystery but I believe civilization post-dated the Reformation.

    This I believe, Fluke.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/10/2012 @ 4:39 pm

  66. The people who call themselves Palestinians have been the the place everyone until recently called Palestine longer than any of your families have been in the Americas. How many of you living in the west or south west live in towns with Spanish names? I don’t year you defending the right of return of the Mexicans, most of whom are Indios. And Gary at least knows who else other than the Muslims were thrown out of Spain in 1492.

    “…a new threat emerged in 2010 when an organized and well-funded Texas-based organization with defined partisan interests, the King Street Patriots, through its project True the Vote, was observed intimidating voters at multiple polling locations serving communities of color during early voting in Harris County. Members of this Tea Party-affiliated group reportedly interfered with voters — allegedly watching them vote, “hovering over” voters, blocking lines, and engaging in confrontational conversations with election workers. Under Texas law, poll watchers are not allowed even to speak to a voter.
    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/demos-bullies-at-the-ballot-box-report-12572438#ixzz26778nhQ8

    I shouldn’t have to remind you that the early European immigrants came he to escape European religious extremism.
    Never mind the witch burning then or the cross burnings, and lynchings, more recently.

    You’re more narcissistic than liberals, though not by as much as liberals would hope.

    Comment by sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/10/2012 @ 4:54 pm

  67. POLKA DOTTED SQUIRRELS !!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by JD (0b7085) — 9/10/2012 @ 4:57 pm

  68. Why are you so full of hatred, sleeeeerpy?

    Comment by JD (0b7085) — 9/10/2012 @ 4:57 pm

  69. King Olaf converted in 1000 AD, but I have it on good authority my ancestors were unseaming, pillaging and, especially, raping, with some procreative intent, for centuries thereafter.

    Ole gets home, runs into his house, slams the door and shouts, “Honey, I jus von da lottery! Pack your bags!”

    Lena says, “Great! Vhat should I pack for? Da ocean or da mountains?”

    He says, “I don’t care! Just be out by da end of da week!”

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (fce587) — 9/10/2012 @ 5:01 pm

  70. Before 1960, the people who now call themselves the Palestinians were called ‘Arabs.’ They were naturally migratory, following the jobs and movements of the time. They had few large landowners among them who held title to large tracts of land and would let out, with or without pay depending on their level of family relationship to the target, tracts of land and the homes of the time.

    ‘Palestine’ was the name of a roman province, a state not a country, from which came the biblical Philistines who are not related to either the Arabs or Jews. It eventually became owned by the Ottoman Empire, then broke free and was gobbled up by the British empire in that hungry hungry hippos period of diplomacy called ‘The Great Game.’

    Comment by luagha (e77c71) — 9/10/2012 @ 5:14 pm

  71. I’m not bothered by your barbarism, it’s your pretension to civility.
    “Kill’em all, and let God sort’em out”
    Or my old favorite
    “On the Virtues of Killing Children”
    http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/08/on_the_virtues_.html

    Please stop lying.

    Comment by sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/10/2012 @ 5:17 pm

  72. FLYING POLKA DOTT3D SQUIRRELS

    Comment by JD (0b7085) — 9/10/2012 @ 5:20 pm

  73. Buffoon O’Reilly says that he can’t figure out why 0bama has handed over control of the Democrat party to teh extreme left.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (fce587) — 9/10/2012 @ 5:22 pm

  74. “The Palestinians are more “Jewish” than the Russian immigrants to Israel.”

    Nominated for the dumbest remark of the century.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/10/2012 @ 5:30 pm

  75. Ah, but sleeeepy produces so many in that competition.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 9/10/2012 @ 6:00 pm

  76. Sleeeepy sounds like he’s been on a few too many of those magic carpet rides on Fridays.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/10/2012 @ 6:09 pm

  77. Who knew that our very own sleeeepy is one of the world’s first successful brain transplant donors ?

    (Biden can’t count, since his donation was only partially successful)

    Comment by Alasdair (e7cb73) — 9/10/2012 @ 6:48 pm

  78. The people who call themselves Palestinians have been the the place everyone until recently called Palestine longer than any of your families have been in the Americas.

    Made up “fact”.

    Comment by Gerald A (f26857) — 9/10/2012 @ 7:03 pm

  79. 71. “I’m not bothered by your barbarism”

    Dave, I think he’s addressing you, I’m not pretentious in the least.

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/10/2012 @ 7:30 pm

  80. ___________________________________________

    I agree in general but denying God three times will especially resonate in the Bible Belt because of the Biblical parallel.

    DRJ, yikes, now that you mention it, and since I’m not exactly a Bible-phile, I didn’t even think of the specific Biblical meaning of the number 3, of what, in effect, was a denial 3 times of the request to change the party’s platform. All I thought of at the time was how awkward and absurd Tony Villar (ie, LA’s mayor) seemed at the podium, when he had to keep asking the delegates to vote yay or nay.

    As disdainful and cynical as I am about the left in today’s era, I really didn’t think so many people in that convention hall would disapprove of the word “God” and the special symbolism (to Israel) of Jerusalem.

    There was something surrealistic about the whole thing, sort of like a bad plot — an absurd contrivance — out of Hollywood. Perhaps a movie about something sinister casting an evil spell over America. But in this case, life imitated art.

    sharefaith.com: “Then Jesus said to them, ‘All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night…. Peter answered and said to Him, ‘Even if all are made to stumble because of You, I will never be made to stumble.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you that this night, before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.’ Peter said to Him, ‘Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!’” (Matt. 26:31-35)

    Comment by Mark (5a66fe) — 9/10/2012 @ 7:46 pm

  81. Did you ever fight Gary?
    Or are you one of those Yeshiva buchers?

    Dave Surls

    David Ben Gurion and Yitzhak Ben Zvi, Eretz Israel in the past and present, 1918

    Look it up. But Gary knows this, don’t you Gary?

    Comment by sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/10/2012 @ 8:43 pm

  82. The people who call themselves Palestinians were nomadic and didn’t call any one area a permanent home.

    It was only after WW II that we got all hyperactive drawing lines on maps and putting people in charge of other people.

    Comment by luagha (1de9ec) — 9/10/2012 @ 8:51 pm

  83. sleeeepy,

    You don’t sound like a man of peace.
    A “piece…” for sure, but not a man of peace.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/10/2012 @ 10:01 pm

  84. What is the joooooooooo hatin sleeeeeeerpy on about today?
    Comment by JD — 9/10/2012 @ 12:49 pm

    – I would say he’s on about 500 milligrams of the strong stuff.

    Comment by Icy (e4ca1c) — 9/10/2012 @ 10:06 pm

  85. “Look it up.”

    The Israelis are trying to hold on to Israel, and I support that.

    The Muslim imperialists and colonialists can bugger off back to Arabia from whence they came, if they don’t like it.

    What’s to look up?

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/10/2012 @ 10:31 pm

  86. “The people who call themselves Palestinians were nomadic and didn’t call any one area a permanent home.”

    Don’t get in an argument if you don’t know what the fk you’re talking about.

    Dave, I pointed you to the writings of the first Prime Minister of Israel to prove you wrong. You don’t read Jews?
    Where was your family 2000 years ago?

    Nice photographs
    Jaffa Then and now
    Haifa 1905
    Nablus Late 19th early 20th

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/04/israel1
    “The first soldiers to arrive on Khalil Bashir’s doorstep in Gaza five years ago explained the new geography of his home in terms he understood only too well. His three-storey house was to be like the West Bank, the Israeli officer said, with its areas of divided security and administrative control.
    The army designated the living room as “Area A”, after the part of the occupied territories where the Palestinians have control, and told all three generations of the Bashirs, from 81-year-old Zanah to her five-year-old granddaughter, that they were confined there for most nights and sometimes for much of the day. It was the only part of the house they could still call their own.

    The bathroom, kitchen and bedrooms were “Area B”, where Palestinians administer themselves but Israel has security control. In the Bashir home that meant soldiers had priority and the family had to ask permission to cook or go to the toilet.

    And then came “Area C”, where the Israeli military government runs everything and the Palestinians have no authority. The soldiers warned the Bashirs that all of their home above the ground floor was Area C and if they ventured up the stairs they would be shot.”

    Comment by sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/11/2012 @ 12:09 am

  87. “Dave, I pointed you to the writings of the first Prime Minister of Israel to prove you wrong.”

    Wrong about what?

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/11/2012 @ 12:33 am

  88. 81. Did I fight? No, my draft number was 54, so I took the IIS student deferment.

    “‘Eretz Israel in the Past and Present’, 1918″

    Have not read, but you are doubtless correct in that I should.

    OTOH luagha at 70 is essentially correct on substantive points. The coast, Jaffa, Haifa, Tel Aviv, was never Arab majority occupied territory.

    The Philistines were labeled “Sea Peoples” by the Egyptians, as were the Phoenicians more north at Tyre and Sidon. They gave their name to Palestine bestowed by the Romans.

    No one actually knows who the Canaanites, the ‘original’ occupiers of the hill country and its walled cities, may have given rise to in time.

    Certainly, Israel was never a homogeneous ‘race’. A “mixed-multitude” of 3 million left Egypt and the scriptures themselves indicate Israel never ejected the bulk of the natives in the promised land.

    The scriptures, in the sense that they contain history, remain the only account of any usefulness regarding peoples of no geopolitical significance apart from the land they ‘possessed’, the crossroads between Greek, Egyptian and the Levant’s successive empires.

    An Egyptian bore Ishmael and he took an Egyptian wife, that race being of Hamitic derivation.

    The Quran, originating not earlier than 630 AD derives from the Talmud and includes no history beyond that of the Prophet, PBUH, himself.

    The Ottoman Empire disintegrated over a period of a couple centuries, culminating in WWI with handing over the territories in discussion to English and French governance simply because they had armies.

    Ancestry is now left to the ‘maturing’ studies of DNA:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedigree_analysis

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/11/2012 @ 8:56 am

  89. He edited the video, but he doesn’t tell you.

    Anthony Villaraigosa asked foir the Ayes first, each time, of course. And the trith the vote was also about Jerusalem.

    Tony Villar probably thought at forst that the delegates on the floor hadn’t gotten the message – they weer supposed to vote AYE not NO. He thought maybe their natural instuct was tioo oppose changes. But these were changes the candidate wanted.

    The point in the ad is somewhat right – that this is whare a lot of the activist base is. It’s good against totally unknown candidates.

    If he wanted to say something Alan West should have said, is my opponent going tgo separate himself from these people?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:44 am

  90. What Tony Villar doesn’t know about conducting a meeting would fill Robert’s Rules of Order.

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:57 am

  91. Comment by gary gulrud — 9/11/2012 @ 8:56 am

    The Philistines were labeled “Sea Peoples” by the Egyptians, as were the Phoenicians more north at Tyre and Sidon. They gave their name to Palestine bestowed by the Romans.

    The Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed Judea after the Bar Cochba revolt of 132-135, but the name maybe existed before.

    It is used in (at least a translation of) Herodotus, but refers only to the area on the sea coast around Gaza, maybe up to Ashkelon. Which is where the Pilishtim (Philistines in English) lived.

    I think Herodotus wrote his lectures at the instigation of Egyptian priests whose goal was to wrie the Jews out of history. Haman had failed but maybe somebody else might succeed in the future. That’s why he doesn’t bring the takle of the Persian wars down to his own time – he would have to mention Mordechai and the peace he made with Greece (mainly by bribing Pericles – Pericles used the money to build the Parthenon and other things, which had the effect of mainining him in power. It was, apparently, a condition of this aid, that it not be used for idol worship. And that the statue of Athena not be worshipped. That’s the way it looks to me. This is very original. Mordechai did not initiate the idea oif bribing Greeks, his predecessor, Haman, had also done that, but he had bribed Sparta to make war on Athens.

    It’s interedtsing to speculate on what’s left out after the end of the book of Esther. Also the revolt fo Megabysus.

    . At every opportunity he carves Jews out of history.

    Pilishtim is Semitic word (Coptic is well somewhat relkated) and means people who wandered from another place, not necessarily the sea, although that’s where they came from (they came from Crete) It’s the same root actually as Falasha. (so called by an Ethiopian emperors bnecause he dispossed themm of land)

    No one actually knows who the Canaanites, the ‘original’ occupiers of the hill country and its walled cities, may have given rise to in time.

    They disappeared – some intermarried.

    The Quran, originating not earlier than 630 AD derives from the Talmud and includes no history beyond that of the Prophet, PBUH, himself.

    The final version dates from about 903. It;s embarassing for them that old Yemenite texts are different or even what’s carved on some old buildings.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:58 am

  92. “At every opportunity he carves Jews out of history.”

    I mean Herodotus. I added text in the middle. The peace is known as the peace of Kallias or Callia s 449 BCE. Herodotus mentions an anecdote form the negotiations, but not the negotiations themselves.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/11/2012 @ 11:59 am

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