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9/4/2012

Open Thread: Democrat Convention

Filed under: 2012 Election,Obama — Patterico @ 7:16 am

It ain’t like the old days:

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — The last time Democrats assembled for their national convention, the proceedings were awash in a mix of giddy exuberance and teary emotion as delegates nominated the party’s first African American presidential candidate.

Four years after the party in Denver, that jubilation has cooled.

And that’s the L.A. Times.

Your observations below.

247 Responses to “Open Thread: Democrat Convention”

  1. Republicans: “Are you better off than you were four years ago?”

    Democrats: “Umm … Yes, we ARE better off.”

    aunursa: Republicans — keep asking pounding this point home every day until the election. Ads showing the Democratic response, “Yes we are”, superimposed on videos of the unemployed, will be particularly effective.

    aunursa (7014a8)

  2. sequels almost never do as well and food stamp 2 3D is gonna be a particularly hard sell I think

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  3. The Dems War on the Economy and hatred of success continues apace.

    JD (56f3db)

  4. In fact, I think the Convention this week will provide MANY such soundbites that the Republicans can use to show that the president and his party are out of touch with the American people who are suffering under his economic policies.

    aunursa (7014a8)

  5. I’m still betting that the MSM shows a lovefest. Because they lack bias.

    And keep in mind, all this week: what is the definition of “liar”? Make sure to hold the MSM accountable for that definition…when there is a “D” instead of an “R” involved.

    Simon Jester (275d72)

  6. Oh…and…

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/3/bedbugs-an-increasing-concern-at-dnc-hotels/

    Was that before or after the delegates checked in?

    I’m just asking questions.

    Simon Jester (275d72)

  7. If the news media were honestly reporting this election, Romney wouldn’t have to spend anything.

    The DNC starts with incompetency — poor venue, labor boycott, broke host committee, rain forcing stadium speech indoors (to poor venue). All to win a state that they will not win.

    And they’ve got Ryan on their doorstep courtesy of their (incompetent) plan to have (incompetent) Joe Biden heckle the RNC.

    Pretty much on par for the most incompetent administration since Harding. Too bad the press will never point that out.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  8. sequels almost never do as well and food stamp 2 3D is gonna be a particularly hard sell I think

    Probably not what they’ll emphasize. Although “The First African-American President to be Re-elected” doesn’t have that same sense of tears and triumph that was present in 2008.

    Then again, there’s a new batch of college kids and the last batch hasn’t yet seen their paychecks riddled with deductions, so maybe there’s a chance.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  9. ________________________________________

    I’d love to see the real inner side of Barack and Michelle Obama come out during the convention. To observe their inner self bubble to the surface, but which they otherwise tend to conceal on most occasions.

    However, when the mood suits them — when the audience they’re in front of is partisan enough they feel they can let down their hair — they have come out in front of cameras with stone-faced, if not sullen, in-da-hood speech patterns. But they’re both tricky and subtle enough to not go further than shaping fingers in a flying-bird manner, or to say under their breath “all this for a damn flag.”

    Yea, all people — left, right and center — have their lousy sides and can look bad in private. But I’d say that’s truer of the Obamas than, for example, the Romneys, if only because studies of the human nature of many liberals compared with conservatives apparently verifies such ideology-based idiosyncrasies.

    Mark (88885c)

  10. Why is it that the Democrites, who tell us that photographic identification is not needed to vote, that there is never any real vote fraud, and that requiring voter ID is an attempt at vote suppression, require their delegates to have photographic identification?

    The Dana who notices these things (3e4784)

  11. Kevin M wrote:

    Then again, there’s a new batch of college kids and the last batch hasn’t yet seen their paychecks riddled with deductions, so maybe there’s a chance.

    They have to actually get jobs to get paychecks.

    The economist Dana (3e4784)

  12. Dana, my point exactly

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  13. Republicans: “Are you better off than you were four years ago?”

    The really funny thing about that “Are you better off?” question is that the Maryland governor’s first response is the one the Dems ought to settle on, namely that “The hole Bush dug was very deep, but we are climbing out of it and we are better off in the sense that things have been pointed up for some time now.”

    Of course, they made him recant, since they still believe that the American public is stupid and will swallow lies whole like they did in 2008.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  14. Note that I don’t buy that response, but it’s the best they’ve got.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  15. Anyone who’s been paying attention knows it’s over, no mas.

    Anyone who tunes in this week will know it’s over, move along.

    The few that turn on their sets end of October see incoherence and tune back out.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  16. 12. The new frosh are finding wretched course offerings, the few advisors who would help are buried, lots of requisite courses are not offered for lack of coverage, adjuncts are the only positions offered or filled and quotas matter more than experience.

    It would have been nice to lose the weak institutions in stiff competition, but in the near term all will be weakened. New adminstrative positions are still being created.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  17. Hold on a minute. I thought Biden didn’t show up in Florida because of Isaac? Nonetheless, I’m glad that Ryan showed up in NC anyways since we’re definitely making sure that it becomes a red state in November.

    Kaitian (4aadeb)

  18. Unlike the Republicans, who released a schedule of speakers (although there was a late cancellation – of La Gov Bobby Jindal – and the addition of a Neal Armstrong tribute , and one secret speaker, Clint Eastwood) the Democrats are not announcing their speakers in advance, except that at around 10 PM the previous night they will announce who will be on at 10 PM.

    And besides that we know that former president Bill Clinton will place Barack Obama’s name in nomination on Wednesday, and that Jimmy Carter will speak at some point.

    The Republicans rushed ahead the nomination and did it well outside of oprime time on Tuesday because they were afraid of what the hurrhimmicane would do.

    It is reported that Bill Clinton threatened not to speak at all unless he was given a very prominent role, nd Obama advisers were divided, with david Axelrod saying that Obama needed Clinton more than Clinton needed him, so he got a starring role.

    I believe he will argue (he’s argued this already) that the route to recovery is what he did – that is, raising taxes on the highest brackets – but that it will take longer than it did with him becvaus this is one of those X type of recessions that take a long time to recover from, but things are as well as they possibly could be..

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  19. Jimmy Carter also will gives his thoughts on the economy. (it was reported last month)

    John Podhoretz gave his advance version of Jimmy Carter’s speech:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/making_bam_look_good_JmMm1tiScsTsKP7AbX3U5O

    I know some of you are perplexed that I was approached by the Obama campaign to appear here in Charlotte. Some have asked why Barack Obama would seek to associate his presidency with mine in any way, given that the headwinds he faces this year are somewhat similar to the ones that faced me in 1980 as a sitting president.

    Indeed some point out that he has alienated the American Jewish community as no Democratic leader has since my presidency.

    This is an outrage. I will not stand here and see my record impugned in this way. I made things much worse than Barack Obama did!

    Did Barack Obama preside over a nation in which interest rates rose to 18 percent?

    Did Barack Obama do nothing when Iranians seized 52 American diplomats and held them hostage?

    Did Barack Obama launch the most disastrous rescue mission of all time, sending a single helicopter to Iran that blew up in the desert?

    Sure, Barack Obama is running for re-election in a year in which economic growth has slowed significantly. But can he claim that in the second quarter of his reelection year, the economy actually shrank in absolute terms? You bet your life he can’t. Only I can claim that!

    And while he has blamed everything from the previous administration to the weather to the Europeans to the previous administration for the nation’s continued economic ills, Barack Obama has not directly blamed the American people for the economy’s ills, as I dared to do in my legendary “malaise” speech.

    And what about Barack Obama and the Jewish community? Sure, donations from Jews are down, and the president and his aides are concerned. But because of my handling of matters relating to Israel, and because of my barely disguised hostility and rage toward those who called me out on it, Ronald Reagan received somewhere between 39 and 45 percent of the Jewish vote in 1980.

    Let’s see Barack Obama do worse than that!

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/making_bam_look_good_JmMm1tiScsTsKP7AbX3U5O#ixzz25WMcjzVB

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  20. Michelle Obama will bat first at 10 PM tonight, followed by San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, who will deliver the keynote address.

    Earlier Newark Mayor Cory booker will present the platform at 5:30.

    If coverage is like the Republican convention, Gavel to gavel coverage will be livestreamed in several places and on C_Span.

    MSNBC and PBS will start – at 8 PM – Something else at 7 PM

    All major networks will cover this at 10 PM (I think NBC will skip Wednesday because of football, although the football season used to start only after the end of teh world Series or close to it

    NPR will graodcast this on radio, with a 7 (?)second tape delay – taope delay beyond that of TV.

    Only CSpan may be guaranteed not to prefer commentators to speakers on the podium.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  21. Democrats: “Umm … Yes, we ARE better off.”

    They seem to have decided to say that after Sunday.

    It’s the major front page headline in the New York Times.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/04/us/politics/democrats-say-us-is-better-off-than-4-years-ago.html?pagewanted=all

    Democrats Say U.S. Is Better Off Than Four Years Ago

    By JIM RUTENBERG

    CHARLOTTE, N.C. — A day after fumbling a predictable and straightforward question posed by Mitt Romney last week — are Americans better off than they were four years ago — the Obama campaign provided a response on Monday that it said would be hammered home during the Democratic convention here this week: “Absolutely.”

    The focus on the campaign’s handling of the question, after halting and contradictory responses from Democrats on Sunday, complicated the White House’s effort to begin striking a set of themes the president intends to highlight here and carry through the general election…..

    ….“The president can say a lot of things, and he will, but he can’t tell you that you’re better off,” Mr. Ryan said on Monday at a rally in Greenville, N.C. “Simply put, the Jimmy Carter years look like the good old days compared to where we are right now.”

    Mr. Obama’s aides initially appeared to stumble when television interviewers asked them to respond to Mr. Romney’s charge in his nomination acceptance speech Thursday night that Americans were not better off under Mr. Obama.

    On Fox News Channel, Mr. Obama’s top strategist, David Axelrod, said, “We’re in a better position than we were four years ago in our economy.” But Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland, a Democrat, answered “no” on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” though he blamed Republicans. Other aides equivocated.

    Mr. O’Malley provided another answer on Monday on CNN: “We are clearly better off as a country because we’re creating jobs rather than losing them. We have not recovered all that we lost in the Bush recession. That’s why we need to continue to move forward.”

    In fact, on Monday the campaign settled on a definitive answer of, as the deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter put it, “Absolutely.”

    Followed down a hallway by a local news crew asking the “better off” question in the convention center here, Ms. Cutter described the economic scene four years ago — the auto companies teetering near bankruptcy, bank failures — and said, “Does anyone want to go back to 2008? I don’t think so.”

    Speaking in Detroit on Monday, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said during a union rally, “You want to know whether we’re better off?” He answered: “I’ve got a little bumper sticker for you: Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive.”

    Aides said that over the next three days they would show video testimonials of people who have been helped by Mr. Obama’s policies, hammering home the success of his auto bailout and the benefits of his health care overhaul.

    “We’re not running from our record, which we’re proud of,” Mr. Axelrod said in an interview.

    But, he added, “We’re also going to burnish the choice — it’s fair to say there will be more discussion of their ideas at our convention than there was at theirs.”

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  22. I see this is the same articdlke linked to in comment number 1.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  23. Supercalifragilistic, a convention extravaganza bookended by the Ogabes.

    A nation expectantly awaits.

    Nielsen counting extended 3rd metacarpals?

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  24. ___________________________________________

    This speaks volumes about the type of people who lean left and are among the biggest cheerleaders of the Democrat Party. Their compassion and generosity are so touching and heart warming. Their integrity is beyond reproach.

    freebeacon.com, Sept 4, 2012:

    The pro-Obama Super PAC Priorities USA has run a coordinated campaign to smear Mitt Romney’s character, even going so far as to suggest he was responsible for the death of a woman by cancer. That campaign has been financed in part by Steve and Amber Mostyn. The wealthy Texas attorneys have contributed $1 million to Priorities USA, along with $500,000 to the Democratic House Majority Super PAC, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

    Steve Mostyn, 41, is the former president of the Texas Trial Lawyers Association (TTLA) and has amassed a fortune thanks to a series of successful lawsuits against the state related to damage caused by Hurricane Ike in 2008.

    Mostyn has…set up a number of shell political organizations designed to support Republican candidates who pledge to oppose tort reform…

    Mostyn encountered some legal trouble of his own in 2011, when former paralegals at his firm filed a class action lawsuit alleging that Mostyn had refused to pay them overtime.

    Mark (88885c)

  25. I wonder if Valerie Jarrett will speak at the Convention. According to the NY Times, she’s had no problem up to now speaking for Obama, even to the point that his chief of staff repeated found himself bypassed by Jarrett, who has the President’s ear and spends time with the family after hours.

    “He’s got a real mess in the West Wing,” said one close presidential adviser. “Valerie is effectively the chief of staff, and he knows, but he doesn’t know. She’s almost like Nancy Reagan was with President Reagan, but more powerful.”

    Incompetent and dysfunctional.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  26. We sent them 50 Chicago cops to patrol the convention for safety. During a bit of a crime wave.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/crime-wave-50-chicago-police-dem-convention/story?id=17142595&nwltr=blotter_featureHed#.UEbCzdZmTnj

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  27. But, he added, “We’re also going to burnish the choice — it’s fair to say there will be more discussion of their ideas at our convention than there was at theirs.”

    Although we may not recognize them.
    We say : They hear

    Add millions of jobs : Black people in chains
    School choice : Black kids in chains
    Balance the budget : Poor black people in chains
    Strong military : Foreign black people in chains
    Reform entitlements : Poor old black people in chains
    Reduce regulations : Sick black people in chains
    Cut taxes : Richer white people and more poor black people in chains.
    Civility : Chains

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  28. Four years after the party in Denver, that jubilation has cooled.

    – Cue Dandy Don:
    Turn out the lights the party’s over they say that all good things must end
    Let’s call it a night the party’s over and tomorrow starts the same old thing again

    What a crazy crazy party never seen so many people
    Laughin’ dancin’ look at you you’re havin’ fun
    But look at me I’m almost cryin’ but that don’t keep your love from dyin’
    Misery cause for me the party’s over

    Turn out the lights…

    Once I had a love undyin’ I didn’t keep it, wasn’t tryin’
    Life for me was just one party and then another
    Broke her heart so many times had to have my party wine
    But one night she said sweetheart the party’s over

    Turn out the lights…

    Icy (3cd0cb)

  29. Question: Will David “Babbling” Brooks be taking Olbermonkey’s place on the MisleadingSycophantNBC panel?

    Icy (3cd0cb)

  30. Via Mitch Shedlock in October Harrisburg PA, captiol, runs out of money once and for all time.

    A city of 50,000 owes $1.5 Billion on municipal bonds coming due. That does not count payrolls, utilities, pensions, etc. Kindergarten was already abandoned.

    Just capital improvements and depreciated assets. They are beyond bankrupt. They are taking in 83% of expenses in tax revenue.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  31. A question pertinent to the general conversation, and yes, I’m asking the assistance of those of you who may already know this than trying to search myself, so, feel free to ignore or help out, as you wish.

    Son #2 who just graduated in accounting and interned at Deloitte during tax season states he knows something about taxes and Romney’s tax plan is no friend of the middle class. In one way I don’t even care if that is true, Romney is still ABO, but anyone know what Romney plans, what the Dem mischaracterization has been, and what the educated response (to the specific issue) is?

    I can’t fault him, at his age I voted for Jimmy Carter’s re-election.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  32. “Son #2 who just graduated in accounting and interned at Deloitte during tax season states he knows something about taxes and Romney’s tax plan is no friend of the middle class.”

    MD in Philly – I’ll give it a try.

    Romney’s tax plan is to simplify the tax code and lower tax rates across all brackets in a revenue neutral manner to the Treasury. The proposed simplification comes in the form of limiting or eliminating deductions or credits currently in the tax code. He proposes dropping individual rates by approximately 20% across the board, with the top individual rate falling to 25%.

    Romney has no disclosed the details of which deductions, credits or exemptions he plans to eliminate or limit or what levels the limitations would kick in. The distortions of his plan that the Obama campaign is peddling come from an analysis they commissioned which made assumptions about those specifics and resulted in higher tax bills for middle class Americans.

    The analysis is purely a creation of the Obama campaign and not based on anything issued by Romney, hence it is pure distortion from the start.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  33. So much for BOA stadium:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198206/Democrats-set-Obamas-big-speech-74-000-seater-outdoor-stadium-20-000-seater-indoor-arena.html

    Guess they couldn’t count on 20K Navy personell being available, awake and orderly.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  34. MD in Philly – It is very similar to the Democrat distortions on Paul Ryan’s voucher plan for Medicare costing senior citizens up to $6,400. That is based on an old version of Ryan’s plan.

    Under the current version, there is no change in Medicare for ten years.

    After ten years, people reaching age 65 have a CHOICE of selecting standard Medicare or choosing a voucher which they can use to purchase private insurance coverage. The amount of the voucher is based on the average cost of private insurance at the time. It is intended to preserve an element of choice in the process, but also foster competition to keep costs lower, as occurred with Medicare Part D.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  35. Well, Romney has talked of eliminating the deductibility of state and local income taxes.

    He also has talked of raising the age for Medicare to 67 (but not for at least 10 years)

    (This affects many more taxpayers in blue states than in red states)

    But Romney actually doesn’t have any plan at all.

    The claim it would hurt the middle class is possibly the idea that if he closes “loopholes” he has to raise taxes on the middle class.

    The only big “loopholes” that would affect the highest brackets more than people somewhat lower would be maybe:

    1) Exemption of state and municipal bond interest

    2) Life insurance payouts

    3) Exemption from income of medical insurance paid by employer.

    All other big exemptions – with the exception maybe of deductibility of state and local income taxes – I think are limited anyway by the alternative minimum tax.

    So cutting the top rates and closing “loopholes” would push tax collection somewhat down the income scale.

    Let’s say you capped the mortgage interest deduction. Right now it’s already capped at two houses and at $100,000 for a home equity loan (as opposed to a mortgage taken out to purchase a house)

    Since the very rich – people with 5 to 7 houses say – don’t get as much benefit from it proportionately, as people further down the income tables, limiting the mortgage interest deduction further still gets more from the upper middle class than “the rich”

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  36. 36. I mean the deductibility of state and local income taxes affects more people in blue states than in red states since more blue states have income taxes and their income taxes are higher.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  37. Come Nov-6, we’ll find out if Evan Thomas’ 15% will be enough.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  38. Taxes:
    If they did it right, all revenue would only be taxed once.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  39. Fm Reason…..
    California cops employ mafia-style tactics against their critics.

    Gee, I wonder who gets most of their political donations?

    H/T- Instapundit

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  40. “36. I mean the deductibility of state and local income taxes affects more people in blue states than in red states since more blue states have income taxes and their income taxes are higher.”

    Sammy – States have to finance themselves somehow. The absence of a state income tax does not mean an individual state is abstaining from taxing its residents in other ways that are deductible for federal income tax purposes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  41. Thanks for your help, daley and Sammy. Yes, I knew about the distortions about Ryan, but this is helpful on Romney and taxes.

    BTW, I read where the NYT of all places thinks Eastwood is right and Obama is a lousy CEO and needs to be replaced:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/richkarlgaard/2012/09/03/did-the-new-york-times-just-get-obama-fired/

    Also, I heard (Rush?) where Clinton was trying to reprise Clint, and give a presentation without first having it reviewed by “Obama’s people”.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  42. AP’s Top Story:
    CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Democrats open their national convention Tuesday offering President Barack Obama as America’s best chance to revive the ragged U.S. economy
    – Perhaps AFTER the seven-years-bad-luck period has passed.
    Obama: “I didn’t break it, but I’m gonna fix it!”

    and asking voters to be patient with incomplete results so far.
    – “Hey, has anyone seen an Economy Repair manual lying around? Ya know, I just had it the other day, right before I went out to play nine holes . . .”

    Michelle Obama, in her opening-night speech, aims to give people a very personal reminder of “the man that he was before he was president.”
    – Because, of course, the absolute LAST thing they want to do now is remind us of the man he is AS president. 

    “The truth is that he has grown so much, but in terms of his core character and value, that has not been changed at all,” Mrs. Obama said
    – Great. Even Clinton learned to turn towards the middle. But not our little social(ist) animal! 
    To be fair, though, he HAS grown . . . I mean, he doesn’t eat dogs anymore. Now, that’s progressive. [trademark gleefully infringed]

    “Whatever I say here today, it’s going to be at best a distant second to the speech you will hear tonight from the star of the Obama family,” he told a friendly crowd at Norfolk State University.
    – I predict that after her speech Chris Matthews will shed a tear . . . and play the race card (not necessarily in that order).

    “We’ve got some truth telling to do,” Sen. Mark Warner told Florida delegates at a breakfast meeting. “America is better off today than it was four years ago when this president took over.”
    – Oxy? meet Moron. 

    “Change is never made in a sedentary position,” Newark, N.J., Mayor Cory Booker said.
    – Which was followed by chants of “four more years” and “stay the course”. 

    The Democrats dispatched U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren, who hopes to unseat Republican Scott Brown in Massachusetts, to make the case for Obama on morning talk shows, and she acknowledged that “it’s tough out there” for many Americans.
    – Just think how tough it is for 1/32 Native Americans! Why, I hear that some of them are even going so far as to steal other people’s recipes. Can you imagine? 

    New government reports out Tuesday underscored that reality. U.S. factory activity shrank for the third straight month in August and construction spending fell in July from June by the largest amount in a year. Next up: The Labor Department will release new jobs numbers Friday. Economists expect to see some job gains but believe the unemployment rate will remain at 8.3 percent.
    – The future’s so bright, they gotta wear blinders.

    Icy (3cd0cb)

  43. All other big exemptions – with the exception maybe of deductibility of state and local income taxes – I think are limited anyway by the alternative minimum tax.

    State and local taxes are a preference item for AMT. Bit me once.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  44. Comment by daleyrocks — 9/4/2012 @ 12:11 pm

    Sammy – States have to finance themselves somehow. The absence of a state income tax does not mean an individual state is abstaining from taxing its residents in other ways that are deductible for federal income tax purposes

    Property taxes are deductible (provided the person making the deduction was legally liable for the tax) but sales taxes are not, except that Congress did allow that for one or two years recently. You had a choice of deducting EITHER income or sales taxes. Sales taxes were estimated according to a table.

    License fees also are not deductible.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  45. I’m pinning all my hopes on Mooschelle.

    elissa (f115bb)

  46. Hey, no worries, Democrats! Tom Harkin is preachin’ it to the hopeful:

    http://abetteriowa.desmoinesregister.com/2012/09/04/mitt-romney-more-suited-for-mars-harkin-says/

    Notice that he refers to Paul Ryan as having “his pants on fire” with falsehoods.

    Of course, it was Harkin who out and out lied about flying combat missions over Vietnam, remember?

    http://www.instapundit.com/archives/017246.php

    Oh, I’m sorry. That doesn’t fit Teh Narrative™.

    Say, Democrats? Probably not a good idea to have guys and gals who have been caught lying accuse Republicans of fibbing. You know?

    On second thought, you do have Clinton as a keynote speaker, right?

    Again, Democrats: what is the definition of “lie”?

    Simon Jester (4c2b3b)

  47. Booker actually said the following?

    “…Change is never made in a sedentary position…”

    Um. Apparently Booker is used to being in, um, a submissive position when it comes to the Party Bosses, huh?

    Simon Jester (4c2b3b)

  48. 42. Comment by MD in Philly — 9/4/2012 @ 12:14 pm

    “BTW, I read where the NYT of all places thinks Eastwood is right and Obama is a lousy CEO and needs to be replaced:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/richkarlgaard/2012/09/03/did-the-new-york-times-just-get-obama-fired/

    The reference to Clint Eastwood is only in Forbes, not the New York Times piece:

    The Competitor in Chief: Obama Plays to Win, in Politics and Everything Else

    This does not draw any conclusion about his spending too much time on sports. That’s only in Forbes.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  49. Let’s all take a moment to dissect this statement from Sen. Tom Harkin shall we?

    Clint Eastwood is the perfect icon for today’s Republican – “an old angry white man spewing incoherent nonsense,” Iowa’s Democratic U.S. senator said today.

    elissa (f115bb)

  50. Again, Democrats: what is the definition of “lie”?

    It wasn’t a lie, as a “hummer” is not sex – it’s right there in the dog-whistle code-book after the definition of “is”.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  51. Well, Tom Harkin knows well what an “old angry white man” is and does.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  52. Apart from lie about ones own accomplishments, sort of like some trolls around here, AD?

    Simon Jester (4c2b3b)

  53. Meanwhile, Touré is still insane:
    “Girls, get your abortions NOW in case the Republicans win.”
    – That was him retweeting a sentiment that he seems to share.

    I wonder how he would feel if his mother had listened to such a message as the 1970 mid-term elections were approaching.

    Icy (3cd0cb)

  54. Why is it OK for Harkin to insert “white” as an obviously purposeful pejorative descriptor when if that same basic sentence had been about a “black” or a “woman” or a “gay” it would have made the national news headlines?

    elissa (f115bb)

  55. Because, when you’re in the majority, you become fair game for discrimination. Have you not read the hate-breed manual?

    Icy (3cd0cb)

  56. Leftists can never be haters, because they have compassion.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  57. “You had a choice of deducting EITHER income or sales taxes. Sales taxes were estimated according to a table.”

    Sammy – Exactly my point. Texas has no personal income tax, but it has plenty of sales taxes as an offset. In 2011 on a Federal return a Texas taxpayer could elect to deduct actual Texas sales tax paid or use the calculation from the tables provided. Alaska has no state income tax or sales tax.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  58. AK steals money from poor oil companies.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  59. It’s one thing for Chrissy to say something like that from his perch behind a TV screen or for Jessee Jackson to say something like that in front of a Chicago West Side congregation. But geezo peezo has Harkin looked at the demographics of Iowa? Isn’t Iowa one of the states the Dems need to win?

    elissa (f115bb)

  60. “License fees also are not deductible.”

    Sammy – It depends which ones. Car registration fees for nonresidents are deductible in some states. Occupational and professional licensing fees are deductible subject to a 2% limit. Some states have “personal property” taxes which are deductible.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  61. The Des Moines Register will bury his comment so far back into the paper, that you won’t be able to find it with the Lewis & Clark Expedition.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  62. Icy, anyone who just uses one name is the very apotheosis of pretension.

    It’s like these people who send e-mails without capitalization or punctuation, like some kind of weird blank verse. They are thought to be creative, when they are just lazy and smug.

    Simon Jester (4c2b3b)

  63. Icy–

    http://abetteriowa.desmoinesregister.com/2012/09/04/mitt-romney-more-suited-for-mars-harkin-says/

    The comments section attched to the DMR article does not suggest that Iowans are so sanguine about Harkin (who is himself 72).

    elissa (f115bb)

  64. Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., Michael Oren, emphatically states that Debbie Wasserman Schultz lied.

    I categorically deny that I ever characterized Republican policies as harmful to Israel. Bipartisan support is a paramount national interest for Israel, and we have great friends on both sides of the aisle.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/09/a-root-canal-for-debbie-wasserman-schultz.php

    elissa (f115bb)

  65. No More Years!!!!

    No More Years!!!!

    No More Years!!!!

    No More Years!!!!

    No More Years!!!!

    Ipso Fatso (1e3278)

  66. The dominoes– they be falling today. Bart Stupak, (remember him) says HHS mandate violates earlier executive order and is illegal.

    Following an Executive Order signed by President Obama that supposedly ensured that abortion would not be covered, Stupak declared victory for the pro-life movement. This in spite of the fact that many had said the Executive Order was toothless and would not prevent anything. It seems Mr. Stupak has finally realized this.

    http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/04/video-bart-stupak-says-hhs-mandate-violates-executive-order-and-is-illegal/

    elissa (f115bb)

  67. 34. So much for BOA stadium:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198206/Democrats-set-Obamas-big-speech-74-000-seater-outdoor-stadium-20-000-seater-indoor-arena.html

    Guess they couldn’t count on 20K Navy personnel being available, awake and orderly.

    Comment by gary gulrud — 9/4/2012 @ 11:40 am

    Could you blame them; could you stay awake through that?

    I also don’t think 20k sailors would have been enough. Obama would have still ended up “eastwooding” 10s of thousands of seats.

    I emailed the DNC and suggested they start bailing as many people as possible out of jail up and down the eastern seaboard, but I hadn’t heard back from them.

    I guess my suggestion is moot at this point.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  68. 67. Evidently Bart believes farm animals vote Democrat.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  69. Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., Michael Oren, emphatically states that Debbie Wasserman Schultz lied.

    – In a followup statement, he emphatically insisted that water is indeed wet.

    Icy (3cd0cb)

  70. 47. Of course, it was Harkin who out and out lied about flying combat missions over Vietnam, remember?

    http://www.instapundit.com/archives/017246.php

    Oh, I’m sorry. That doesn’t fit Teh Narrative™.

    Say, Democrats? Probably not a good idea to have guys and gals who have been caught lying accuse Republicans of fibbing. You know?

    On second thought, you do have Clinton as a keynote speaker, right?

    Again, Democrats: what is the definition of “lie”?

    Comment by Simon Jester — 9/4/2012 @ 12:33 pm

    Getting your marathon time wrong.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  71. But you know that darn lyan Ryan guy can’t even keep track of his own running times from 20 years ago!

    elissa (f115bb)

  72. For your evening delectation:

    5:00 p.m.

    Chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla.

    Chief Executive Officer of the Democratic National Convention Committee Stephen J. Kerrigan

    Parliamentarian of the 2012 Democratic National Committee Convention Steny Hoyer

    Treasurer of the Democratic National Committee Representative Andrew Tobias, D-Md.

    Secretary of the Democratic National Committee Alice Germond

    6:00 p.m.

    Representative Barbara Lee, D-Calif.

    Lieutenant General Claudia Kennedy

    Mayor of Newark, New Jersey Cory Booker

    North Carolina Gov. Bev Perdue

    International President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Mary Kay Henry

    Ryan Case, American Voices

    Representative Charles Gonzalez. D-Texas

    Representative Nydia M. Velázquez, D-N.Y.

    Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn

    Cincinnati, Ohio Firefighter Doug Stern

    Candidate for the US Senate and Former Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine

    7:00 p.m.

    Mayor of Charlotte, North Carolina Anthony Foxx

    Democratic Majority Leader Senator Harry Reid, D-Nev.

    Ken Salazar

    Candidate for the US House of Representatives, Massachusetts Joe Kennedy III

    Former Representative Robert Wexler, D-Fla.

    8:00 p.m.

    Mayor of Minneapolis, Minnesota R.T. Rybak

    Representative Jared Polis, D-Colo.

    President of the National Abortion Rights Action League – Pro-Choice America (NARAL) Nancy Keenan

    Nate Davis, American Voices

    Candidate for the US House of Representatives, Illinois Tammy Duckworth

    Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee

    Representative James E. Clyburn, D-S.C.

    Stacey Lihn, American Voices

    Representative Xavier Becerra, D-Calif.

    9:00 p.m.

    Former Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland

    Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius

    Mayor of Chicago, Illinois Rahm Emanuel

    Actor/Producer Kal Penn

    Brother of Mrs. Obama and Sister of President Obama Craig Robinson and Maya Soetoro-ng

    Women’s equality leader and namesake of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act Lilly Ledbetter

    Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick

    10:00 p.m.

    Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley

    Candidate for the US House of Representatives, Texas Joaquin Castro

    Mayor of San Antonio, Texas Julián Castro

    First Lady Michelle Obama

    Just shoot Obie now.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  73. heh steve57–great minds!

    elissa (f115bb)

  74. Kal Penn!!!!!

    elissa (f115bb)

  75. 57. Leftists can never be haters, because they have compassion.

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! — 9/4/2012 @ 1:13 pm

    And when you have compassion, you need to show it by hating all the right people and things.

    If you hate guns, the Church of Rome, racial insensitivity, and old white men, you are compassionate.

    Feel free to punch out a girl scout and steal her cookie money. By adopting all the right opinions you’ve done enough for humanity. Knock yourself, or, uhh, whoever you’d like out.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  76. You gotta love it. The Mayor of Chicago is in prime time, and our governor is relegated to speaking just before a fireman during the dinner hour.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  77. Bet Pat Quinn will talk about pension reform.

    Ipso Fatso (1e3278)

  78. In 2008 about every third vehicle in these parts had an Obama-Biden sticker. This year not so much. I’ve been paying attention as I drive the highways and byways. Enthusiasm for “the One” is definitely down. Way fewer people are self-identifying on their cars that “he’s my guy”.

    elissa (f115bb)

  79. Questions we’d like to see – Ms. Wasserman Schultz, as Chairperson of the DNC, one of this year’s recurring campaign theme’s has been that Republican’s have been waging some kind of war on women. In light of that messaging, do you think it is appropriate for the Democrat Party to give such high profile roles in this year’s convention to two men with such widespread reputations for philandering, Bill Clinton and Tony Villaraigosa?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  80. “Bet Pat Quinn will talk about pension reform.”

    Ipso – They should have Mike Madigan drive over him in a monster truck.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  81. How about Blago giving a shout out on the big screen to the convention?

    That would be nice.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  82. How about Blago and Ryan doing a “coosome twosome. For all intents and purposes Ryan was a D for the last 6 or 8 years of his political career.

    Has there ever been another state where 2 of its former governors were behind bars at the same time? Wonder Illinois….And stay in our Prisons!!!

    Ipso Fatso (1e3278)

  83. If you happen to be watching during prime time at 8PM catch Mpls Mayor H.T. Beta male.

    Feel your jaw slacken, your musculature go limp. Make sure the remote is nearby, it will take a while to emerge from the depths of a comfy couch.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  84. Brother of Mrs. Obama and Sister of President Obama Craig Robinson and Maya Soetoro-ng

    Where’s George?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  85. Michael Savage seemed to imply Jimmy Carter would be on tonight, but he’s not on that list.

    The NBC Nightly says he will be on, but on videotape. So Michael savage has an even better list.

    He compares it to a circus. He says there’s not a moderate Democrat on there. He says this gives him confidence the Republicans will win because they are so out of touch. He says they will win by 8 or 9 points. The polls are wrong, he says.

    Lt. Gen Claudia Kennedy he says sued her way to the top. Gov Bev Perdue (NC) had a problem with campaign records and called for Cong elections to maybe be cancelled in 2011. Barbara Lee is a former Black Panther Socialist he says. Joe Kennedy (grandson of RFK) is running for Barney Frank’s seat

    Sammy Finkelman (04b5c1)

  86. NBC says Dem still planning outdoor event.

    TSA screens drinks bought inside secure area, but they never screen any vendors.

    I read that at RNC , people were screened and re-screened. This is maybe usual mindless security.

    Sammy Finkelman (04b5c1)

  87. 86- Joe joe joe is running against Sean Bielat a marine and business man. He is a program manager,i Robot Corp.
    He led a group in providing life-saving defense robots used to destroy roadside bombs in Iraq and Afgh. Trips joe joe joe needs to lose.

    mg (44de53)

  88. Gov Bev Perdue (NC) had a problem with campaign records and called for Cong elections to maybe be cancelled in 2011.

    I thought we destroyed the Cong back in 1968 during the Tet offensive.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  89. And what are they doing in North Carolina?

    Steve57 (40573d)

  90. Damn, they told the KKK to keep those boat-people out.
    Can’t anybody follow orders anymore?

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92)

  91. On the subject of defining “lies”:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/debbie-wasserman-shultz-israeli-ambassador-called-gop-dangerous-for-israel/article/2506825#.UEaLlWieu19

    Hmmm. I think that DWS should apologize to Republicans, and to the nation of Israel.

    And if we had a normal media, she would get asked about this a lot.

    I mean, since “lying” is of such interests to the Democrats.

    Simon Jester (4c2b3b)

  92. 91. Can’t anybody follow orders anymore?

    Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! — 9/4/2012 @ 4:13 pm

    Bev Perdue can. That’s why, on the orders of the DNC, she’s delaying the Cong election and preventing them from consolidating their foothold. Until those loyal Dem troopers in the more militant Robert Byrd wing of the party can get it’s act together and drive the Cong back into the sea.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  93. 92. On the subject of defining “lies”:

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/debbie-wasserman-shultz-israeli-ambassador-called-gop-dangerous-for-israel/article/2506825#.UEaLlWieu19

    Hmmm. I think that DWS should apologize to Republicans, and to the nation of Israel.

    And if we had a normal media, she would get asked about this a lot.

    I mean, since “lying” is of such interests to the Democrats.

    Comment by Simon Jester — 9/4/2012 @ 4:17 pm

    Israeli Ambassador ‘categorically’ denies DWS claim he said GOP was ‘dangerous for Israel’

    PropagandaFact is in charge of defining lies, Mr. Jester. And they’re on the case. It won’t belong until they carefully factcheck Israeli Amb. Michael Oren’s statement and declare it a “pants on fire” four pinocchio lie for not serving the cause of Chicago Jesus.

    Seriously, WTFO?!?! What is this irresponsible little girl DWS think she’s doing dragging Israel into a domestic political campaign?

    Somebody in the Obama admin, if there’s someone at all adult left in that miserable, stinking outfit that remotely resembles the description, needs to shut that ditz up.

    She’s using other countries as if they don’t really exist but are just props on a stage to be used for her hysterical political theater.

    This ought to be, and would be if the Obama admin gave a rat’s ass for our national interests and how we are perceived by by the rest of the world, as a major diplomatic breach. You don’t just drag other countries into the middle of what DWS irresponsibly believes is a partisan schoolyard squabble so she can say to whatever ethnic group she’s trying to court (in this case American jews), “see, see, your ancestral homeland likes us better, too. Don’t believe those Rethuglicans the (insert nationality’s name here) think they have cooties just like we do.”

    She shouldn’t be in charge of a high school student government let alone a major political party. Which, if they believe this is the kind of mental defective should be in charge, ought to right quick be turned into a minor if not insignificant party.

    One of the resident trolls tried to manufacture an argument that if Romney chose Eastwood that called his judgement into question and ruled him out as fit material for the chief executive office in our government.

    That, over a piece of performance art.

    Well, Obama chose DWS to head the DNC. And in her myopic desperation to avoid what she clearly believes will be a loss to her party she is engineering international incidents that can harm our country and our very real (and already endangered) interests in that embattled region.

    The entire Democratic party has gone bats**t crazy and needs to be shut down now. And that last sentence was not hyperbole. That was actually a sober and restrained assessment.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  94. Robert Wexler???

    So, how many are watching on Current TV? I read AlGore was going to anchor the convention. Who would want to miss that?

    PatAZ (a00d6c)

  95. The attempt to ignore the fact that their president is an utter failure is just hilarious.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  96. Alaska has no state income tax or sales tax.

    True, but Alaska boroughs and cities have sales taxes, which can run upwards of 7% if you get hit with both.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  97. Poor Joe Biden.
    I bet he thinks he’s in Virginia !

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  98. 98. Poor Joe Biden.
    I bet he thinks he’s in Virginia !

    Comment by Elephant Stone — 9/4/2012 @ 5:23 pm

    If he’s told he’s in Virginia, he’ll talk about taking back North Carolina.

    The only way to calibrate him correctly is to tell him he’s one state over.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  99. Joe Biden’s leaked convention speech.

    It’s much better than I thought it would be!

    Dana (292dcf)

  100. Now DWS says she was misquoted. Maybe she needs a root canal, like the guy who called Republicans Nazis and then fell off the radar because of dental work.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  101. No, Simon Jester, she wasn’t “misqouted.” Herr Paul Goebbels is taking her words “out of context.”

    Please get onboard with new-speak already.

    In other news, I couldn’t quite believe it when I saw it. But after checking around on various news sites as well as blogs, it appears to be true. The DNC kicked off their convention with this video:

    DNC Video: “The Government Is The Only Thing We All Belong To”

    It’s sort of the polar opposite of Clint Eastwood’s “we own this country” line, doncha think?

    Nope, the DNC says we all belong to it.

    So, despite the whining about how the GOP was taking Obama’s “you didn’t build that” line out of context, confirmation we were right all along.

    The whole point of the entire Charlottesville VA speech in which King Putt used those four words was that we didn’t build those businesses. And therefore we really didn’t make that money. It isn’t legitimately ours. Just like we belong to it, so does our money.

    At the DNC convention they’re going to have a parade of crony capitalists posing as entrepreneurs parading about saying “we think we should pay back more, so should those other greedy robber barons in the private sector.”

    Which will be sweet music to the parasites Obama is depending on to vote for him and help him redistribute what they, not we, are entitled to.

    “Government is the only thing we all belong to”

    “Government is the only thing our money all belongs to”

    Steve57 (40573d)

  102. how low can he go?
    losing women… stadium?
    they couldn’t fill it

    Colonel Haiku (89f671)

  103. Just saw it, couldn’t believe it. And to what point? I suppose if it were “come out and vote” … but then it should have been “our government is the one thing we all have in common”. Are you guys sure this isn’t The Onion?

    nk (875f57)

  104. Is Ted Strickland ill? He seems not quite all there… desperate, too…surely Mitt is hiding something in all those tax returns he refuses to release. And the, Obama is an “economic patriot”. Heh.

    Well, if he’s ill, he’s at least funny…

    Dana (292dcf)

  105. Barry 25:46 – “… and there was a great weeping and gnashing of teeth. And teh liberals, they were sore afraid. And teh people roseth up and they fired his ass.”

    Colonel Haiku (89f671)

  106. 104. Just saw it, couldn’t believe it. And to what point? I suppose if it were “come out and vote” … but then it should have been “our government is the one thing we all have in common”. Are you guys sure this isn’t The Onion?

    Comment by nk — 9/4/2012 @ 6:07 pm

    As God is my witness, that was my reaction, too.

    National Review Online – The DNC: You Belong to the Government

    By Charles C. W. Cooke
    September 4, 2012 6:22 P.M.
    Comments
    1

    In this video, aired at the DNC today, the Democratic party has moved on from “government is simply the name we give to the things we choose to do together,” to the even more statist “government is the only thing we all belong to.” Charming:

    Townhall.com – DNC: “Government is the Only Thing We All Belong To”

    Katie Pavlich
    News Editor, Townhall

    Sep 04, 2012 06:44 PM EST

    Paging central control……The DNC Convention in Charlotte is officially underway. How did the DNC kick things off? By showing a video promoting government as “something we all belong to.”

    Those two sources usually aren’t hysterical. They say they actually saw it.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  107. Four years after the party in Denver, that jubilation has cooled.

    It’s like thinking that you’ve bedded Kate Upton, but, in the sober light of morning, found yourself waking up next to Sandra Fluke.

    bridget (862c19)

  108. Via Hotair.com:

    An Obama aide emails that the Charlotte host committee, not the Obama campaign, produced the video:

    “The video in question was produced and paid for by the host committee of the city of Charlotte. It’s neither an OFA nor a DNC video, despite what the Romney campaign is claiming. It’s time for them to find a new target for their faux outrage.”

    So, it is real. Point one.

    Point two. Where in the hell are all those trolls claiming the fact the Romney campaign didn’t vet Eastwood’s one-man broadway act meant Romney wasn’t a qualified executive.

    The DNC Convention opened with this! And the Obama campaign is saying (as anything led by Obama always says), “It’s not our fault. Blame those people over there.”

    Obama said in the run-up to the 2008 primary and general election that it wasn’t true that he had no executive experience. The way he ran his campaign showed what kind of executive he was.

    This sure as hell does! No one vetted this! Not from OFA, and not from the DNC.

    The Charlotte host committed just took the ball. “Ad libbed” as it were. And now the Obama campaign is point fingers of blame and spitting venom at the Romney campaign in utter embarrassment.

    On the first night!

    I loved these lines:

    It’s neither an OFA nor a DNC video, despite what the Romney campaign is claiming.

    As far as I can tell, sugar, the Romney campaign isn’t claiming that. They’re claiming it’s the opening video for the DNC convention. Which it is. Just like it says in that little “DNC Convention” banner in the lower left corner of the vid.

    Spin that PropagandaFact!

    It’s time for them to find a new target for their faux outrage.

    You shouldn’t use French words if you don’t know what they mean. This is apparently from a junior campaign staffer. So I’m assuming it’s Sheriff Joe Bidenopoulos.

    Who cares where it came from. The DNC opened with it, and now they own it. And it reveals the sickness in their twisted little hearts.

    I didn’t watch much of the GOP convention. This one, I’ll have to watch.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  109. I believed you, Steve. Just couldn’t believe my ears.

    These ads are not off-hand blog comments. A lot of time and work goes into writing them, re-writing them, scripting them, filming them, editing them. Nobody caught it? Nobody, in the DNC, said, “Whoa, do we want to go there”?

    nk (875f57)

  110. “This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.”

    Okay, I’ve grown weary of the existing government.

    Dana (292dcf)

  111. NPR was discussing Sheldon Silver

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  112. been watching on cspan. fighting a wave of nausea. Government is the only thing we are all a part of? gaaaahhhhh. Nancy all abortions all the time. gaaaahhhh. Lily Ledbetter? first thing he signed? I thought it was the sealing of his college records..oops on me. What does Rahm know that the rest of us don’t and why would I want Obama in the white house if something happens, look at how he handled the Deep Horizon mess, and had to be prompted to go to Louisiana (leading from behind) by following Romney. two more days of this?

    Cheifster (efe301)

  113. 112. Bone weary.

    Note the example of the Russkies when considering half-measures.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  114. 111. Nobody caught it? Nobody, in the DNC, said, “Whoa, do we want to go there”?

    Comment by nk — 9/4/2012 @ 6:49 pm

    I believe once the Obama campaign administration perpetual campaign collects itself, Jim Carney will be issuing a statement blaming this on Rove/Cheney/Bush.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  115. Jay Carney. I’d know his name if I could stand to watch him.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  116. They had a comedian on who pretended he had the wrong speech – mentioned what owed to chair and wanted people to register to vote and volunteer.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  117. 2. sequels almost never do as well and food stamp 2 3D is gonna be a particularly hard sell I think

    Comment by happyfeet — 9/4/2012 @ 8:06 am

    A palate freshener:

    POLITICO – Media: Obama is egotistical, selfish, dull

    Just in case you hadn’t seen it.

    CHARLOTTE, N.C. — For over a year now, the political press has been writing the ever-evolving book on Mitt Romney. But as the Democratic National Convention gets under way in Charlotte, major media outlets are sending President Barack Obama through the spin cycle, lobbing five high-profile bombs at the incumbent in a single holiday weekend.

    The New York Times ran a front-page piece Monday with the unmistakable subtext that Obama is a hyper-competitive egotist who often is not as good as he thinks he is at endeavors ranging from politics to poker.

    The Washington Post noted the continued controversy over Obama’s “you didn’t build that” line, and how the clumsy remark continues to leave him vulnerable to criticism that he doesn’t understand free enterprise.

    The Huffington Post argued that, for all his promises of a new kind of politics, Obama has “played the same old game.”

    The Wall Street Journal weighed in with a piece that portrayed Obama as stingy with fundraising — and vocal support — for fellow Democratic candidates. “We really do believe a high tide raises all boats,” Obama campaign manager Jim Messina told the Journal, explaining how Obama’s success would help others win.

    And POLITICO landed with an against-the-grain portrait of Obama as a conventional president — “relentlessly familiar” in his governing style, politically uncreative and culturally uninspiring.

    The convergence of skeptical pieces, all of which suggest Obama has failed to live up to the mythic expectations he set for himself in 2008, signal that Obama may be facing unprecedented media headwinds just as the nation’s voters are really tuning in to the 2012 campaign.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/80598.html#ixzz25YafC34h

    Steve57 (40573d)

  118. Volunteer fr Obama that was. Now 10 PM. MD Gov O’Malley speaking. Standard lines.

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  119. I am sure Michelle’s arms will be eloquent.

    JD (db0ff1)

  120. Maybe I can sucker the wife into watching Sasquatch FLOTUS.

    It’d server her right.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  121. Mayor Castro of San Antonio

    Sammy Finkelman (4d9cfa)

  122. I believe it is called a “Freudian Ad”.

    As the old saying goes, honesty is the best policy, you don’t have to work so hard to remember what con you’re trying to work.

    The last election was won on Bush Derangement Syndrome and the promise of Hope and Change (for the 50%+ that were willing to believe it, or willing to make themselves hope it, anyway).

    Obama Reality Shock Treatment is pretty effective against Conservative Derangement Syndrome, except for those addicted to it and can’t let go.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  123. They keep talking about UNITY, and individuals merging into One. I’m not sure if this is about “Ein Volk, Ein Reich” or just the Borg stuff I expected.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  124. It’s hard to be a god, Steve.

    OT. There’s a story that when Alexander conquered the Persian Empire, he found that the Egyptians needed their ruler to be a god. So he sent a proclamation throughout Greece that he was now a god. All the Greeks were scandalized, except for the Spartans who said, “If Alexander wants to be a god, let him be a god”.

    nk (875f57)

  125. The same types who like to “belong” to unions like to “belong” to government. No wonder nobody in the DNC batted an eye at that video until outside the bubble type people started saying WTF.

    elissa (7bf646)

  126. I’m also amazed at the chutzpah of trotting out people who were saved by the con-controversial portions of Obamacare that Republicans had signed off on (pre-existing conditions, must-issue, no cap, etc). The debate was on the government takeover and central control of every last policy term.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  127. *Non-controversial

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  128. “True, but Alaska boroughs and cities have sales taxes, which can run upwards of 7% if you get hit with both.”

    Kevin M. – Thanks for bringing that up. The source I was looking at made no mention of it. My original point stands that the government gets its money somewhere and merely looking at whether there is an income tax is misleading.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  129. I belong to the government?

    Talk about being put back in chains!

    Icy (71a307)

  130. Gary, please do try to get your wife to watch Michelle and report back to us. Your wife’s a lefty, right? I’m sure I’m not the only one who would love to hear about her reaction and impressions.

    elissa (7bf646)

  131. Elissa – spot on. Nobody that vetted that saw anything wrong with it.

    JD (db0ff1)

  132. “Government is the Only Thing We All Belong To”

    Not far from “All your people are belong to us!”

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  133. And POLITICO landed with an against-the-grain portrait of Obama as a conventional president — “relentlessly familiar” in his governing style, politically uncreative and culturally uninspiring.suggest Obama has failed to live up to the mythic expectations he set for himself in 2008,

    More twists than a pretzel. Yes, he’s failed in his “mythic expectations”, but he’s hardly been a conventional President. Conventional Presidents don’t work to destabilize the American economy, reduce our capability for self-defense and the protection of American interests around the world, insult our allies and work against or ignore countries working for freedom (Honduras, Iran, Syria), fuel class envy and encouragement dependency on the federal government, and rule by executive order and appointments bypassing Congressional oversight.

    Has any conventional President previously run the country without a budget for 3 years?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  134. And who was it said something about putting people in chains?

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  135. Julian Castro is on now. When is Michelle? It won’t be nowhere near as good as women’s beach volleyball but better than women’s weightlifting. With the sound off, of course.

    nk (875f57)

  136. Mayor Julian Castro is a dynamic speaker.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  137. $16 Trillion is one of the few things we all are responsible for.

    Dustin (73fead)

  138. Thank you, echo.

    Icy (71a307)

  139. So far, lots of victimhood, lots of pity, and lots of calls for more government charity, completely ignoring Americans’ history of taking care of each other and their neighbors. Debt? Shut up, you racists!

    Takeaway: I feel sorry for myself and I don’t know why.

    Patricia (e1d89d)

  140. #138. Really? Hmmmm.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  141. Mayor Julian Castro is a dynamic speaker.

    Comment by DRJ — 9/4/2012 @ 7:21 pm

    Y muy guapo, tambien.

    nk (875f57)

  142. Takeaway: I feel sorry for myself and I don’t know why.

    Spot on, Patricia!

    It’s contagious, and always justifiable.

    Dana (292dcf)

  143. Me parece maricon, no que seria algo malo.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  144. Quiero mas ayuda del gobierno.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  145. “It begins with reelecting Barack Obama.” Really? I thought it was supposed to be with electing him. Missing the starting gun by four years. Oh well, “manana, manana, is good enough for me”.

    nk (875f57)

  146. 126. It’s hard to be a god, Steve.

    Comment by nk — 9/4/2012 @ 7:11 pm

    Sean Connery found that out in “The Man who would be King.”

    I have a feeling it won’t work out well for the both of them. Obama, I mean.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  147. If I belong to the government, then I want Mitt Romney to emancipate me!

    Icy (71a307)

  148. You do recall what happened to Connery’s character at the end of that story, right.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  149. What a great movie. Nobody remembers Rudyard Kipling or even John Huston. Just Sean Connery and Michael Caine.

    nk (875f57)

  150. He lived like a man, tried being a god, died like a man without squealing for campaign contributions.

    nk (875f57)

  151. Turner Classic Movies is showing an old “B” horror flick called, “The Attack of the Amazon Woman.”

    Oh wait.

    It’s a speech on C-SPAN. Nevermind.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  152. Alright, I’m totally disappointed. The First Lady is Black Barbie, from hair and face makeup to dress.

    nk (875f57)

  153. 150. You do recall what happened to Connery’s character at the end of that story, right.

    Comment by narciso — 9/4/2012 @ 7:36 pm

    When Connery played Bond, it was “shaken, not stirred.”

    When Connery played “The Man Who Would Be King,” it was “on the rocks.”

    Steve57 (40573d)

  154. This Convention is so goofy…if the GOP had a background with all those flags, they’d be accused of jingoism and flag-waving and myopic patriotism.

    And the “military mom” from Ohio ? Ok, so, was she trying to infer that Obama-Biden is the first administration to show support for military families ?
    Did Bush-Cheney not show support for military families ? Seriously ?

    I think I’ve figured out the premise behind her speech…”I’m a mom ! Re-elect Barack because we love our kids !”

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  155. Turned it off. This is the worst she’s ever looked to me. Totally plastic.

    nk (875f57)

  156. And just what’s wrong with having a sexy First Lady?

    nk (875f57)

  157. Am I so jaded that I can’t recognize a good speech or is she (as I think) just spouting boring pap?

    elissa (7bf646)

  158. elissa,

    I am biased, but I think they all are spouting boring pap. Or worse. Can’t they find any speechwriter with just a little bit of poetry to work for them?

    nk (875f57)

  159. Did she really say that Barack believes in women making their own health care choices ?

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  160. There is this probability: Do not deviate from the party-line, comrade speechwriter.

    nk (875f57)

  161. I dunno, elissa. Nice words from a wife for her hub – a smattering of hero worship, a lot of sweetner, and probably truth throughout with an unpinning premise of whatever it takes to win.

    And nk, I think she looks terrific. Great hair, subtle makeup, and color of her dress complements her nicely.

    Dana (292dcf)

  162. Well, dang, I believe in everyone making their own health care choices. Good for you, Michelle.

    nk (875f57)

  163. And nk, I think she looks terrific. Great hair, subtle makeup, and color of her dress complements her nicely.

    Comment by Dana — 9/4/2012 @ 7:58 pm

    Coyote tongue.

    nk (875f57)

  164. Seems to be a good speech by Michelle. I just don’t care much for the change she and Obama want. It really doesn’t matter how impassioned she is and how long she goes on.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  165. Let’s give them a foundation of $16 trillion in debt, Michelle, that will work out well for everyone.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  166. I agree that she looks very nice tonight Dana.

    She seems to be giving both of them much more personal credit– and affirmative action and connections much less credit– than I think is warranted, however. Not everyone has that same kind of “fair chance”.

    elissa (7bf646)

  167. Shorter Michelle,

    “Do you know I’m a mom ? Yeah, I’m a mom. Sacrifice. Working class. Dreams. Forward. My husband. Blah, blah, blah.”

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  168. Eh…unpinning underlying premise

    Dana (292dcf)

  169. Well, my wife thought she was very fake. I didn’t see it that way. I thought my wife would like the speech a lot. I thought it was OK. My wife thought it was awful.

    Of course, I didn’t like Romney’s speech, so I’m wrong a lot.

    For what it’s worth.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  170. I was curious about that, too, elissa: she stated that Obama could not have gotten where he was without financial help but did not mention affirmative action. Why mention one and not the other? They are both praised by the left as leveling the playing field and making things fair.

    Dana (292dcf)

  171. Memo Michelle, I am 100% sure Barack is a 100% devoted man of the LEFT.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  172. Ok. “Coyote tongue” means lying. You ladies think she looks good? Do you ever look like that?

    nk (875f57)

  173. Is she a Government Wife?

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  174. She looked fine. My wife has been silent on the subject other that a comment about, well, never mind.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  175. Working class.

    $316K/yr at the U. of Chicago Hospital just screams “working class” to me.

    I can see her now coming off the elevator, switching the headlamp on her hardhat off, her coveralls and boots dusty, swinging her lunch pail and thermos.

    Can’t you?

    Steve57 (40573d)

  176. #176 Your wife is silent? Damn you are blessed!

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  177. _____________________________________________

    If the current figureheads of the left/Democrat Party, including Obama (Mr & Mrs), Biden, Clinton (Mr & Mrs), Gore, etc, were really honest, decent people with at least some basic integrity, although I’d still consider them ideologically miserable, I really wouldn’t find them so disreputable.

    I have to search far and wide for a prototypical Democrat of the past 50 years who fits a profile that wouldn’t bother me so viscerally. One of the few I can think of is the former mayor of LA, Tom Bradley, or another Bradley, Bill Bradley of New Jersey, or Daniel Moynihan. Even Jimmy Carter, as foolishly liberal as he was, didn’t strike me someone oozing all the sleaze that I associate with the current top players in the Democrat Party.

    Mark (e03145)

  178. #177 Best part is her salary nearly trebled after BHO became US Senator. UoC Hospital also got $1MM grant after that too …. and her position was eliminated the minute she quit.

    Kind of like a non-show union jobs on construction sites in Chicago.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  179. Comment by Dana — 9/4/2012 @ 8:11 pm

    Affirmative action is a great concept for a group/class, but even for the left, nobody wants to say they got where they are by affirmative action, but by having earned it “fair and square”.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  180. To Barack, his policies are centrist. They would only seem that way to a Marxist.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  181. Ed Rendell is not so bad.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  182. I heard the story of Lady Godiva who rode naked through town. Everybody was warned not to look. Peeping Tom did and was struck blind. Lady Godiva must have been one ugly woman.

    nk (875f57)

  183. Are the talking heads at MSNBC muff diving yet?

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  184. Kind of like a non-show union jobs on construction sites in Chicago.

    Technically, it was a no-work job. She had to show from time to time.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  185. Comment by Mark — 9/4/2012 @ 8:18 pm

    I think the respectable Democrats have become Republicans.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  186. Well, she wasn’t actually. Let’s just say she expressed herself in a manner befitting a lady who did not like what she saw at all — in a quiet manner.

    Again, I think Michelle did fine as a subjective speaker. My wife thought she was fake, emphatically.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  187. MD, that’s my point.

    They will fight to the death for affirmative action and yet, are simultaneously ashamed of it and/or recognize that it is anything but the fair and square way. If they really had no problem for it, why would there be any discomfort in admitting to it and extolling the left for providing it?

    Yep.

    Dana (292dcf)

  188. I have an appointment with my opthalmologist at 8:00, tomorrow.

    nk (875f57)

  189. Ed Rendell is not so bad.
    Comment by Rodney King’s Spirit — 9/4/2012 @ 8:19 pm

    He is a great politician, and I would never want to be opposite him in any kind of negotiation.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  190. Comment by Dana — 9/4/2012 @ 8:22 pm
    I agree with your point.

    Comment by nk — 9/4/2012 @ 8:22 pm
    May your appointment go well.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  191. 188 was directed at 176.

    I think Krauthammer is right. It was a good speech and he didn’t buy a line of it.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  192. Michelle 0bama seemed to describe a guy that she believes her husband to be, but unfortunately for the both of them, four years in that office reveals who that person actually is.

    Colonel Haiku (2b8e66)

  193. Did she really say that Barack believes in women making their own health care choices ?
    Comment by Elephant Stone — 9/4/2012 @ 7:55 pm

    – Well, of course she did!

    That’s why her husband is FORCING all women to choose an insurance plan.

    Icy (71a307)

  194. Krauthammer is laying out the narrative if folks listen.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  195. absolutely NOTHING about teh private sector.

    Colonel Haiku (2b8e66)

  196. Wait. This Michelle woman who just gave this speech—isn’t she the wife of the guy who is supposed to stop the oceans from rising, and cut the deficit in half ? What ever became of him ? Did he stop the oceans from rising ? Did he cut the deficit in half ? Or did she not talk about that because she divorced him ? Why is she talking about eating peas and carrots at the dinner table and struggling to find time to help the kids with math homework, and spending Sundays at Grandma’s house ? Did I just watch one of those late nite infomercials for the latest gimmicky study aid to help your children improve their test scores ? If so, then why do I feel like I just lost 5 points off my IQ ?

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  197. #197 … good point.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  198. ______________________________________________

    nobody wants to say they got where they are by affirmative action, but by having earned it “fair and square”.

    That’s an interesting observation and sort of fits right in with the nature of what I often describe as “limousine liberalism”—and one does not have to be wealthy to guilty of that type of thinking. Or where people tout left-leaning ideas and symbols but, at least in private, live and react in a somewhat or totally different way.

    Mark (e03145)

  199. As objective I can be, I would say Michelle hit a home run. She, to me, came off as sincere, caring and compassionate. I think this will be accepted as a game-changing speech by the media. I will go so far as to predict that many in the media will say her speech will change the direction of voter’s feelings. In other words, the left will absolutely love it.

    Subjectively, she reinforced exactly what the President wishes to do to the nation, in emotional, emphatic terms.

    Of course, what he intends to do to the nation is, well, not good.

    All-in-all, we have a tough fight against the left. I think Michelle made it tougher.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  200. I don’t see how she convinced anybody (who wasn’t already convinced) to vote for Barack for four more years as president. I learned nothing new about her, her family, her kids or her husband. Nothing about how he has grown in the job. I just did not get the point of her speech. I think she delivered it OK but there was no there there. As NK said, no poetry.

    One of the biggest raps against Obama is that he really isn’t much of a leader or a visionary. She didn’t help him much there, I think, by offering that, gee, he just a normal guy who helps the kids with their homework.

    elissa (7bf646)

  201. _______________________________________

    It was a good speech and he didn’t buy a line of it.

    Yea, because when she drops the pretense, her persona is more along these lines, or the type who quietly and condescendingly mutters things like “all this for a damn flag.”

    Mark (e03145)

  202. I heard it. She delivered it well. But if you are on the fence, it is not going to do anything.

    Her story is already well known, his also, and when she got into political stuff — it was outright bad.

    But, what is going to come out of this convention is God and Jerusalem and the fact they always talk about big government and never talk about private enterprise…

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  203. Becerra is a come pinga. 3 daughters? Really?

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  204. Whoever this guy is that the Dems to talk about the platform to Greta, he’s not doing a really great job explaining about why the Dems suddenly turned all atheist and hate Israel.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  205. #206 At least they are honest about it.

    Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60)

  206. 182. To Barack, his policies are centrist. They would only seem that way to a Marxist.

    Comment by Kevin M — 9/4/2012 @ 8:19 pm

    Frank Marshall Davis taught him how to split the difference between Lenin and Trotsky.

    Then kill them both like Stalin.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  207. No, Frank was pure Stalinist like Robeson,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  208. True. But even a Stalinist can’t kill both a Lenin and a Trotsky until you’ve divided them, then consolidated your position.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  209. Forgive my dropped words, I hope you get the intent.

    Also, paying taxes is not patriotic. It’s a duty I gladly endure, but it doesn’t make me better or less as a citizen when I do so.

    I’m happy to pay my taxes and complain when the government does not use my money effectively.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  210. Bolshevik party politics.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  211. I thought she looked great and delivered the speech very well. However, the content was totally absurd, and I’m sure anyone not a Dem watching TV noticed. She hit all the victimhood notes again like everybody else has been doing. You would think that all that stands between us and starvation is our benevolent king and queen in Washington. The American people are good and fair, so up yours, Michelle!

    And they are not just like us! I never had a political fixer in Chicago finagle me a loan so I could afford a mansion! I never had an affirmative action job or a political hack job.
    Grrr…..

    Patricia (e1d89d)

  212. I don’t know about the “God” part of the platform.

    But I agree that God decides where Jerusalem goes. And we should say nothing about it. Because the stupid Jews and Arabs have not been able to figure it out over three lifetimes of war and tens of thousands of dead young men, and we should definitely not get involved.

    nk (875f57)

  213. True. But even a Stalinist can’t kill both a Lenin and a Trotsky until you’ve divided them, then consolidated your position.

    Comment by Steve57 — 9/4/2012 @ 8:45 pm

    Not until you get Dherzinsky.

    nk (875f57)

  214. I’m thinking God was taken out of the platform because, you know, He was kind of taking the thunder away from the real godhead. If you know what I mean.

    I’m pretty sure I’m right.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  215. Don’t call on God unless you want Him to answer.

    nk (875f57)

  216. Austan Goolsbee is an economist? He must have gone to Krugman’s classroom.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  217. Ag80 – I’m in agreement with you and Krauthammer. Michelle gave a very good speech but I did not believe a word of it.

    You have to pay attention to what these people actually do not what they say.

    Obama’s policy choices and preferences directly contradict the rhetoric in Michelle’s speech for anybody intelligent enough to pay attention. The Obama’s believe in a government-centered and dominated nation guiding individual choices and decisions, not a small government nation where individual achievement is encouraged and rewarded. Equality of outcome to them is more important than equality of opportunity.

    As a counterpoint to Ann Romney, her words sounded good, especially about American ideals and such. The problem is that she is just not believable.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  218. One of Me-chelle’s lines that cracked me up was when she poured some maple syrup on top of her “all this for just a flag” patriotism with the line that “Barack knows that everyone loves this country.”

    Who ? What ?
    You mean people like Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Doehrn, Jeffrey Jones, Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said, Frank Marshall Davis, Louis Farrakhan, et al ?

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  219. ES:

    Michelle’s speech was about what America could be if we all loved the government instead of the people.

    I love America, the government and it’s people. It’s what leftists want to use the government for that I have a problem with.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  220. I think I figured it out…Michelle is a Mom, so re-elect Barack, because he wears Mom-jeans.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  221. _________________________________________

    The Democrat Party’s revised platform merely reflects how the goals posts have been moved to a far more liberal — or, by the standards of over 40 years ago, even “ultra-liberal” — position. So mentioning “God” is now deemed as politically incorrect or overly non-secular. It’s in keeping with the growing disquiet that more and more folks on the left have towards using the phrase “Christmas tree” or “Merry Christmas.”

    In a similar vein, the new boundaries of modern-day tolerance have moved from where one supports “civil unions” to where one gives a flat-out thumbs up towards “gay marriage.” I don’t think it’s too flip to theorize that in the not-distance future, for a person to be a good Democrat/liberal, he or she will have to support the idea of churches being required to perform same-sex marriages—”or else risk the loss of losing your tax-exempt status!!”

    Mark (e03145)

  222. 219.

    Ag80 – I’m in agreement with you and Krauthammer. Michelle gave a very good speech but I did not believe a word of it.

    You have to pay attention to what these people actually do not what they say.

    Obama’s policy choices and preferences directly contradict the rhetoric in Michelle’s speech for anybody intelligent enough to pay attention. The Obama’s believe in a government-centered and dominated nation guiding individual choices and decisions, not a small government nation where individual achievement is encouraged and rewarded. Equality of outcome to them is more important than equality of opportunity.

    As a counterpoint to Ann Romney, her words sounded good, especially about American ideals and such. The problem is that she is just not believable.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 9/4/2012 @ 9:07 pm

    No, but then her words can’t be believable. Her hubby can’t run on his record, but he can’t run from his record. So what he has to do is lie about his record.

    Are you better off than you were four years ago? Absolutely!

    And then rattle off a few meaningless data points to dazzle them with BS.

    It dawned on me as I was watching this spectacle unfold that I missed something this morning. On the “Are you better off than you were four years ago?” thread I quoted this from this article.

    One longtime party operative who receives talking points from the campaign said that the two latest sets of guidance, on Sunday and Monday, did not include anything specific about the “better off” question. The thrust instead was looking forward and discussing what Obama would do that Republican nominee Mitt Romney would not do, said the operative, an Obama ally who sought anonymity in order to frankly discuss the documents.

    This morning I thought it was funny. Tonight it dawned on me it might work. I thought it was funny that these Obama surrogates didn’t know what to say without detailed instructions. Now I know why. You could make an O’Malley v. O’Malley video with MD. Gov. O’Malley answering “no” one day when asked if Americans are better off today than 4 years ago, “yes” less than 24 hours later.

    They were still working out the the last detail. Do they spin the undeniable truth as best they can, then blame Bush? Or do the go full DWS and just unmoor themselves from the truth?

    They’ve decided to go full DWS.

    So she’ll lie and say the Israeli Amb. told her his gov’t thinks the GOP is dangerous. When he says he said know such thing, DWS claims she was misquoted and moves on.

    When the GOP runs that “The one thing we all belong to is the government” commercial, they’ll scream Romney is lying. And the factcheckers will back them up.

    Meanwhile, the Dems will paing R&R with the “they’re the brazen, lying Goebbels party” brush even when they’re telling the truth.

    See, they’re selling two visions of government, and ex-Gov. Strickland summed them up tonight in one phrase:

    “If Mitt were Santa Clause, he’d fire the reindeer and outsource the elves.”

    The Dems want to be the Santa Clause party, and the GOP wants to tell you there is no Santa.

    So if they can give enough voters enough cover to say they can’t tell who’s lying, they figure enough will vote for the Santa Claus party.

    They’re counting on the idea that no one will pay attention to what people actually do, or really what they’ll say they do. Just how much empathy they have and how much they want for you.

    It’s all they got. And it has worked before.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  223. I hope I’m clear. They’re not worried about being believable. Just planting the idea in enough people’s minds the other side isn’t believable either.

    And the Dems hope they can count on the press to look the other way as they tell whopper after whopper, while they jump all over every failure of Mitt and Paul to tell Obama’s side of the story instead of their own as a lack of “context.”

    Steve57 (40573d)

  224. steve57–Phil Klein has DWS on audio tape saying exactly what he said she said. He released it after she lied on national TV and said she’d been misquoted by him. Heh.

    elissa (7bf646)

  225. Oh, yeah. Definitely, Narciso.

    That’s going to be the problem. Michelle Obama wasn’t believable? So what? Nobody’s going to hold him to it.

    The Israeli Amb. never said he thought the GOP was dangerous? Meh. DWS says she was misquoted. No biggie.

    Paul Ryan doesn’t remember exactly when and where Reagan asked that Question?

    This is the second unforced error for Ryan in two days and it comes as the candidate continues to face questions about his own convention speech and whether he accurately linked Obama to the closed GM plant in his hometown of Janesville.

    Natch, Ryan continues to face questions only from the Praetorian guard in the media doing it’s bit to pull off the Obama campaign’s strategy.

    Politico did it’s part today in the story I quoted.

    Media: Obama is egotistical, selfish, dull</a

    If the GOP charges the POLITICO with bias, all that rag has to do is point to that article. Look at what they called Obama.

    Otherwise, it need never be spoken of again. Essentially, they're establishing their alibi.

    In the article they said this:

    For over a year now, the political press has been writing the ever-evolving book on Mitt Romney. But as the Democratic National Convention gets under way in Charlotte, major media outlets are sending President Barack Obama through the spin cycle, lobbing five high-profile bombs at the incumbent in a single holiday weekend.

    Romney’s been getting the treatment for over a year. Obama is going to have to suck it up for a week. Then it’s back to a full assault on Romney, 24/7. They’re as much as saying so.

    Meanwhile, the NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, establish their alibis, too.

    I think it was Plouffe who said that his and Axelrod’s, etc., gaffes about the “are you better off” question will be forgotten by the end of the week.

    Not without a media blitz they won’t be. We’ll have to see if the MFM launches one.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  226. It may be a bit difficult for Debbie to walk away from this one, especially after Ambassador Oren weighed in so forcefully to contradict her– and Klein at the Washington Examiner has the proof she is a liar.

    elissa (7bf646)

  227. Steve57 (40573d)

  228. Seriously, steve, Pravda and Granma called, ‘we were much more subtle.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  229. Are You Better Off Today Than You Were Four Years Ago?

    87. I recall when Dobbs of the Washington Post, denounced McCain for an ad based on his own reporting,

    Comment by narciso — 9/4/2012 @ 6:52 am

    I would hope so, elissa. But the media side of the Democratic-media complex is not above looking patently ridiculous for its partner in crime.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  230. narciso, you’re half right. Pravda was more subtle.

    I learned that from some Poles, who couldn’t believe just how ham handed our propaganda organs are.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  231. “I hope I’m clear. They’re not worried about being believable. Just planting the idea in enough people’s minds the other side isn’t believable either.”

    Steve57 – No, you weren’t clear. My comment only focused on Michelle’s speech, not the overall strategy. Her speech was not an attack speech as you suggest. She was trying to out positive Ann Romney’s performance. The Obama’s don’t have a positive outlook on a lot of American intstitutions and traditions, which is why they want to fundamentally transform America. Black Liberation Theology is not an inclusive, healing faith. Her words are flat out not believable. If you want to switch subjects to something apart from her speech, that’s a different matter.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  232. I never suggested her speech was an attack speech.

    The attack roles will be assigned to surrogates.

    But no part of the overall strategy relies on believability.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  233. It was the ‘full Lillian Hellman’ everything was a lie, including ‘the & and’

    narciso (ee31f1)

  234. “But no part of the overall strategy relies on believability.”

    Steve57 – That’s why I have a hard time communicating with you. I don’t think we disagree, yet you copy my comment and begin yours with:

    “No, but then her words can’t be believable.”

    Correct. I said her words were not believable, except you are disagreeing by saying “no.”

    So, clear as mud.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  235. I mean’t “No, they’re not believable.”

    As in, you’re right.

    Then I moved on to “but then they can’t be believable” because as far as I can tell, they’ve settled on a media strategy that unmoors the Obama campaign entirely from the truth.

    They’re not even going to try to spin the truth.

    They’re just going to ignore it entirely in favor of getting their narrative out while discrediting the Romney campaign’s.

    In the hope that enough of the media will carry their water to get them across the finish line first. Just in time to bail out GM again, after telling the electorate that GM is fine all during the campaign.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  236. steve57 #233 – having grown to adulthood in Scotland, *I* cannot believe how ham-handed the propaganda organs in the US are … then again, our local paper of record for the Los Angeles area is the LA Times …

    {SIGH}

    Alasdair (2cd241)

  237. There’s a good take on Michelle’s speech over at Breitbart. It seems to belong better here because it addresses why her speech was so unbelievable.

    Michelle Gives the Unity Speech Barack No Longer Can

    Michelle’s core message: Barack is still that man–even though he has tried to divide Americans among allies and “enemies,” even though Obama fan David Brooks writes today that Obama’s unifying purpose “did not survive contact with reality,” even though his friends at the Huffington Post wonder “Who Killed the Hope?”:

    …I have seen firsthand that being president doesn’t change who you are–it reveals who you are…

    I love that for Barack, there is no such thing as “us” and them”–he doesn’t care whether you’re a Democrat, a Republican, or none of the above…he knows that we all love our country…and he’s always ready to listen to good ideas…he’s always looking for the very best in everyone he meets.

    Those lines evoke Barack Obama’s words eight years ago. But is there anyone who still believes that?

    The whole Obama campaign is surreal. Even though he’s got a track record and we’ve seen the guy in action for nearly four years now as President, Barack-surrogate Michelle wants us all to believe he’s still that blank slate he was sold as in 2008.

    Even though we’ve learned he’s a pretty nasty piece of work.

    And the rest of his surrogates want us to believe we’re all better off.

    Even though most of us aren’t.

    Steve57 (40573d)

  238. 132. Sorry, elissa, she wouldn’t take the bait.

    Claimed to be disgusted and disheartened with “your guy’s”(Ryan) fact checks but has zero interest in Der Spielen.

    Guess she knows they’re done too.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

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  240. Comment by MD in Philly — 9/4/2012 @ 7:19 pm

    Has any conventional President previously run the country without a budget for 3 years

    All Presidents before Harding.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  241. James Taranto:

    We thought the cleverest line of the night came from Mayor Castro, in the course of his “Mitt Romney says ‘no’ ” call-and-response:

    When it comes to expanding access to good health care, Mitt Romney says, “No.”

    Actually, Mitt Romney said, “Yes,” and now he says, “No.” Gov. Romney has undergone an extreme makeover, and it ain’t pretty.

    The text doesn’t really capture the humor: Castro delivered the line masterfully, with a long, sly pause before “actually.”

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

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