GOP Convention Day Two
Any time I watch a gathering of politically active conservatives or Republicans, whether it’s CPAC or the GOP convention, I’m jealous of other bloggers who get to go. Damn day job.
I watched the Christie speech on the tube last night. It was not bad, but made me realize that he’s not so much a formal speech guy as an excellent off-the-cuff speaker. He would kill in debates.
I like the national debt clock, and the one detailing how much debt has been incurred since the convention began is a nice touch.
The New York Times is not impressed with the convention:
“We built it,” the slogan of the evening, was painted on the side of the convention hall. Speaker after speaker alluded to the phrase in an entire day based on the thinnest of reeds — a poorly phrased remark by the president, deliberately taken out of context. President Obama was making the obvious point that all businesses rely to some extent on the work and services of government. But Mr. Romney has twisted it to suggest that Mr. Obama believes all businesses are creatures of the government, and so the convention had to parrot the line.
“We need a president who will say to a small businesswoman: Congratulations, we applaud your success, you did make that happen, you did build that,” said Gov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia. “Big government didn’t build America; you built America!”
That was far from the only piece of nonsense on the menu, only the most frequently repeated one. Conventions are always full of cheap applause lines and over-the-top attacks, but it was startling to hear how many speakers in Tampa considered it acceptable to make points that have no basis in reality.
No basis in reality? Was that remark really taken out of context? I know we keep reading that but I’m not so sure it’s true. Obama said: “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” You want context, here’s context:
The point is that Obama doesn’t merely believe that government helped businessmen and businesswomen build businesses. He actually gives government the lion’s share of the credit in his own mind. He sees no difference between successful entrepreneurs and others, besides luck.
It’s a mindset.
Despite ivory tower academic theories to the contrary, words mean things. It matters what words you use to express your concepts. When I view Obama’s comments in their full context, I understand the point he is making. I also understand that he made a classic Kinsley gaffe: he accidentally said what he actually thought.
No wonder the New York Times is scrambling to give him cover.
Your thoughts on today’s proceedings below.
A Reminder of Precedents in Subsidizing Newspapers
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:38 amWell, the GOP might as well fold their tents and head home if they can’t win the approbation of the New York Times.
JVW (edec8d) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:45 amlulz. They want to “frame the debate” about subsidizing newspapers? Wow.
carlitos (49ef9f) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:45 amIn case you’ve missed it, here’s a synopsis of LSM convention coverage:
“There were some speakers at the Republican convention last night but look at this poll showing nobody likes Romney.”
Beyond disgusting.
creeper (849351) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:01 am_____________________________________________
He actually gives government the lion’s share of the credit in his own mind.
Nothing better symbolizes that to me than his funneling over half-a-billion dollars to the IRS over the past several months.
The New York Times is not impressed with the convention:
There’s the phrase of “love me or hate me, but please don’t ignore me.” Sanity will have dawned in this society when that publication (supposedly the one into “all the news that’s fit to print” and dedicated to being “America’s newspaper of record”) finally — finally — is ignored.
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:04 amObama thinks building a business is mostly luck because if he tried to do it, it would be.
Bad luck.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:10 amGov. Bob McDonnell of Virginia: “Big government didn’t build America; you built America!”
The NYT: That was far from the only piece of nonsense on the menu
— Uh, excuse me. What Gov. McDonnell said was “nonsense”? WHAT was nonsensical about it, NYT?
Icy (c5308a) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:11 amAny blue state that can send Toomey to DC .. can sent Romney to DC.
Neo (d1c681) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:18 amErr… well…hmm…ahh…just want to say err…David was not there to… err… set up…hmm… the tele…err…prompter.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:28 amWhy is the NY Lying Times even credentialed for the convention. They couldn’t tell the truth if they were impaled upon it.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:34 amABC News says Romney doesn’t care about hurricane, they are happy to have a party while black people drown.
JD (b0764b) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:38 amThey would just do what Lapham did. invent a narrative, even before showing up.
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:44 amIt is the obligation of government to provide the roads and bridges to our nations’ businesses…and we pay for that service (among other things) with our tax dollars. Mr. Obama makes it sound as though government is doing us a favor by performing those duties for which it is mandated.
navyvet (f5da59) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:47 amThat’s only because black people cannot afford the French Quarter, the only place not a flood area in New Orleans, in the first place.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:48 amFor some time I’ve wondered whether the (NY)Times wants to be our Pravda, or Izvestia; or is it both?
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:52 amFor so much of what they write, there is neither Truth, nor News.
Lawrence Auster wrote (http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/023159.html) today:
“We’ve heard of a dumb bull being led to the slaughter. The Republicans are dumb bulls leading THEMSELVES to the slaughter.”
DN (e13e38) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:07 amWhat will he write when those “dumb bulls” completely destroy his “china shop” on Nov-6?
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:09 amDid we ever win that court case in Ohio preventing black people from early voting while we extended voting for service men and women (well, the white ones who vote our ticket)?
Jeffrey Diamond returns (c85bb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:09 amI know it’s day two but I want to add one more thing about yesterday night.
Monday, the narcissist in chief made a chuckling comment on the campaign trail (which I quoted in an earlier thread here) to the effect that the speakers at the Republican convention should be interesting– that they would probably have “a lot to say about me”. Chris Christie must have known that when he purposely never mentioned Obama, even once, in the entire keynote address! But everybody knew what CC was getting at by deftly focusing his remarks on truth and leadership and exceptionalism and our broader obligation as citizens to secure the future of this country through sacrifice.
CC was able to offer up hope, (but in such a different context from the last election’s gauzy no sacrifice required rainbows and unicorns version of hope). He legitimized the yearning of decent people who in 2008 voted for hope and a better tomorrow– and last night in his speech Christie offered a second bite at the hope apple for many of those same “hope people” but from off a different tree this year. Obviously, he chose not to harp on sharp Republican vs. Democrat labels. Through his speech it was almost always “us” and “them”, and “we think” “they think”, but as philosophy not partisan party identifiers.)
I loved his imagery of a second American century that is still possible to achieve. How can that not resonate with younger disillusioned people as well as those older ones of all backgrounds who were firmly rooted in the pride and prosperity of being an American in the 20th century and realize it’s all gone pretty much to crap. That’s why Christie’s televised speech will be so effective toward reaching Indies and some disaffected Dems in my opinion.
Christie will still have plenty of opportunity to “rip the preezy a new one” extemporaneously while out on the campaign trail for Romney Ryan. But last night he had a different job to do and I think he just may have succeeded.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:10 amJeffrey, put you Racism back into your kit-bag, and slink back to Charlotte.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:10 amYou’re right. I need to get a good spot with my “god hates gays” sign that Romney mailed me. Thanks for the reminder.
Jeffrey Diamond returns (c85bb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:13 amAh, the Old Grey Dinosaur squeals in outrage.
Yawn.
Space Cockroach (8096f2) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:14 amBoth Gov. Christie, and Ann Romney hit Home-Runs last night.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:15 amThe Governor’s were all power line-drives; while Ann’s were great, soaring shots, that “brought down snow”.
The dishonest trolls illustrate the panic of the Obama shills having to confront Obama’s failure.
SPQR (cff336) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:16 amGood Allah. Tyresome trolls.
JD (b0764b) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:17 amMy favorite part of the convention last night (because I was a representative) was when Ann Romney read the speech about her love of her husband that others wrote for her.
Jeffrey Diamond returns (c85bb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:17 am…a new twist on the “concerned conservative” meme…
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:19 amSeriously, does anyone here know, or have you ever known, someone who works in the msm?
Are they really that totally without self-awareness?
Do they really think people believe they are just telling the truth in an objective, unbiased way?
I mean, I don’t know, their bias is so obvious I wonder if they just don’t care.
Can they really believe no one sees through their charade?
I think the Instapundit said this first, but it goes beyond bias, it is corruption.
kinlaw (8f4928) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:19 amIt was not bad, but made me realize that he’s not so much a formal speech guy as an excellent off-the-cuff speaker.
Not sure why you had a middling reaction to his speech. Its contents were nicely concise to me and he presented them in a rousing manner. I guess some people may have a personal preference for more Lincoln-esque or Churchill-ian type prose. Or Christie may strike some as having too much of a Jersey-ite badda-bing demeanor. My only qualm about him is every time I see him, I wonder if his health is taking a pounding due to his weight—based on camera shots of his kids taken during the speech, there’s definitely a genetic factor at play there.
they are happy to have a party while black people drown.
Many on the left would feel that exact way if the group in question — if 90-plus percent of it — had a philosophy and attitude similar to this Republican instead of a philosophy and attitude similar to this Democrat.
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:19 amDiamond lies. Serially.
JD (b0764b) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:19 amWhat a hilarious stupid remark, “Diamond”, given that Obama himself is incoherent without a teleprompter.
SPQR (cff336) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:20 amA Hollywood Mogul once said that the secret of making it in show-biz was to be able to project “sincerity”; and that once you could fake that, you had it made!
Ladies and Gentlemen: I give you the talking-heads of the MSM.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:21 am@25
So yeah, no WAY she loves him, eh?
I mean, cuz she had a professional help her with the biggest speech of her life.
Yup, you’re right.
She can’t possibly love her husband.
kinlaw (8f4928) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:21 amSpeaking of love:
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:26 amDid you see the interview of the Romney’s on FoxNewsSunday, by Chris Wallace.
There was a shot, when Ann was speaking, and Mitt was just sitting there next to her, looking at her face, and you could just see the love and admiration that he had for Ann in his face and eyes.
It was a “3-hankie” moment.
Insty is keeping up a running tally on the Racism of the media (I refuse to use the term MSM when referring to PMSNBHeeHaw) towards Conservatives-of-Color at the RNC.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:30 amIf his handmaidens are not denounced by The President, he would (in the modern vernacular) certainly OWN their Racism!
“President Obama was making the obvious point that all businesses rely to some extent on the work and services of government.”
And the nyt needs to be shown the other obvious point – someone *paid* for the work and services of the government.
And I love Diamond up there, best comedy since Carlin! It’s hilarious when someone is so terrified that they point to the guy who isn’t president as if he should be directing FEMA to help LA like Gov Jindal requested, instead of, you know, the president. Like it’s his job or something, don’t you know he hasn’t got time to do that, he’s got to get to another fundraiser because when the other guy spends more than a Democrat, money in politics is baaaaaaad. Ha, haha, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
Memories (1308df) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:31 amWe are on the same team guys! Who cares if she can’t come up with her own ideas about how she loves her husband as long as we trick women into voting their rights away.
Jeffrey Diamond returns (c85bb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:33 am==as long as we trick women into voting==
Allowing for the dancing pink vulva crowd exception, your contempt for the intelligence of most normal women is obvious and staggering. Your sick “advocacy” for “women’s rights” is not effective, truthful or appreciated.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:41 amThere is no “we” liar.
JD (b0764b) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:46 amSeriously, does anyone here know, or have you ever known, someone who works in the msm?
Are they really that totally without self-awareness?
Just witnessed an old man with mobility problems struggling to get to the top of a levee after being rescued from his home in Plaquemines Parrish. he obviously has bad knees. Probably uses a walker at the grocery. You know the type.
The national weather reporter on scene sticks a microphone in his face. The old man is literally two steps away from the canal. If he looks up to answer the reporters question he’d tumble back into the drink.
Instead of offering a hand up the dirty son-a-ma-batch sticks a mic in his nose.
papertiger (e55ba0) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:47 am@36
So by “women’s rights” (your pluralization) you really mean just one right, and that is abortion. And that is found in the constitution where exactly? Oh yeah, that’s right, it exists only in the fevered mind of Harry Blackmun, as an imagined right to privacy that is not anywhere stated or alluded to in the constitution.
Didn’t we have a petition for better trolls going around recently?
Lets get back on that.
kinlaw (8f4928) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:50 amIt’s kind of funny how this Jeffrey Diamond person is disparaging Ann Romney for allegedly not writing every single word of her speech, all the while he advocates for the government doing everything for everyone.
Jeffrey’s hero Barack Obama has a speechwriting staff of like, what, 36 people ?
And Barack Obama wasn’t even the primary author of either of his two books.
On the other hand, we know that Joe Biden is the author of his speeches since no speechwriter would ever want to take credit for the idiocy that emanates from his mouth !
And, ironically, Biden’s 1988 Presidential aspirations were deflated when he got caught plagiarizing a speech by British Parliament Labor leader Neil Kinnock.
Jeffrey Diamond, why can’t you support yourself ? Why do you need the government to wipe your nose for you ? Stop being a lazy moocher.
Man up, bro.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:00 amI don’t understand why you’re attacking me. Who cares how many rights there are as long as we get rid of them. Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!
Jeffrey Diamond returns (c85bb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:02 amRe Christie: “he’s not so much a formal speech guy as an excellent off-the-cuff speaker”
Agree completely. Hope when the time comes he can be placed in public relations w/out serious policy input.
Not an encouraging prospect.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:03 am25. Ann is vastly more authentic than any politician you care to name(I’m banking on mindless idiocy when I issue that challenge).
Personally, I can write a decent speech, compared with the pubic at large.
Yet if I did not read same, they ought to give me the hook in 50 seconds. Cannot speak extemporaneously a whit.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:09 am___________________________________________
He sees no difference between successful entrepreneurs and others, besides luck.
That’s the first time I’ve actually seen a video of his saying the words that include the infamous line of “you didn’t build that.” Assuming he was speaking in a totally extemporaneous way — unusual for President Teleprompter — I can see how the “that” in his remarks was a case of a word being used carelessly and incorrectly. In this instance, “that” applied by mistake to a plural (ie, bridges and highways) instead of a singular (ie, business).
But his whole speech oozes a condescension — and certainly a clear-cut apathy — towards the skills and qualifications (including smarts) of a person and how they help him (or her) create a successful business, that even if “you didn’t build that” was, in fact, an example of mangled subject-pronoun agreement, it also was an example of a Freudian slip.
Simply put, Obama sucks.
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:09 am“Jeffrey” we are laughing at you. Full out head shaking eye rolling belly laughing guffaws.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:10 amPoor Jeffrey Diamond,
He needs other men to pay for his lunch…and his condoms, too !
He thinks he’s asking the government to give him more “rights,” but in actuality, he’s asking the government to give him more wrongs.
We gave Jeffrey Diamond public roads and bridges and access to the internet—so why can’t he succeed ?
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:15 am______________________________________________
And Barack Obama wasn’t even the primary author of either of his two books.
Moreover, didn’t he have a literary agent based in Chicago who wrote a brief bio for him several years ago? A bio used in presentation material and that included a line about his being born in Kenya. Text that presumably was vetted by the very person (ie, Obama) who the words are all about.
I’m surprised that literary agent hasn’t been publicly rebuked by the White House. I’m surprised she hasn’t been accused of being part of a vast rightwing conspiracy.
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:19 amWe are seeing a progression that happened in Putin’s Russia. With Obama’s re-election, I’d expect that news sources that offer opposing views will find those government services that are vital to their operation increasingly hard to come by.
Hey, perhaps that line by Obama wasn’t a claim, but a threat.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:19 amIf you’re laughing at me you must be one of those dirty libs. Hey I’ve got to run. Gotta make a tax payment. Takes a village to make up for the taxes that Romney doesn’t pay. But, as a blue collar conservative, I relish the thought of paying more actual money (let alone percentages) than wealthy business owners do in taxes. We built it!
Jeffrey Diamond returns (c85bb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:19 amTrust me on this. That’s not why we’re laughing at you, Jeffrey. Tootle-oo and have a nice day.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:22 amBreitbart has updated their story on the ABC News “black people drown” comment. Apparently ABC News outed the offstage voice:
Wonder what happens now? Does Yahoo! stand behind their reporter?
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:25 amAnother long-time-republican-turned-commie chimes in. Or is it the same one as usual?
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:26 amWhen the going gets tough, the trolls flee (as usual).
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:27 amAre you sure Jeffrey, that you’re not late for a tee-time?
And those taxes, are they on your widely successful import-export business?
You didn’t think we would remember, did you?
My favorite part of the convention last night (because I was a representative) …
No doubt the guy who attacked the CNN reporter.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:28 amI mentioned “men,” “lunch,” and “condoms,” and Jeffrey Diamond remembered he has a lunch date with David Geffen.
At least he’ll then have earned some money for cab fare !
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:29 amChalien was unwatchable even before this revelation. He is one of the creepiest people on TV. But hey, if Chalien gets booted and creepy is a job requirement, maybe Tommy is available to take over as Washington bureau chief for Yahoo.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:33 amThe author of this blog went to law school. As Obama said, somewhere along the line he at great teachers, or at least teachers he thought were great. Maybe they were even school teachers, though not all great teachers do it for a living.
And no, no one person built the internet.
The Republicans -plan and platform- want to make it even easier for the rich to become richer, and even harder for the poor to be anything but poor.
TPM:
“State Rep. Alan Clemmons, who authored the South Carolina voter ID law being argued in federal court this week, admitted on Tuesday he welcomed a racist email he received from a friend in support of the law.
Clemmons replied with “Amen” and “thank you for your support” after a man named Ed Koziol wrote that black and poor voters would “be like a swarm of bees going after a watermelon” if the legislature offered a reward for obtaining identification cards, according to McClatchy.”
McClatchy is below
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/28/2972807/s-carolina-lawmaker-admits-positive.html
I won’t even go into the “that’s how we feed animals” fracas at the convention.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:37 am“The New York Times is not impressed with the convention:”
The New York Times is a poorly written, badly edited, unsubtly biased, provincial hack paper of far less importance than many would like to believe. It echoes the non-thoughts of the Manhattan Elitist intellectuals, reflecting their tawdry values and ostentatious stupidity. If it was happy with the Republican Convention I would be seriously worried.
C. S. P. Schofield (4feea2) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:42 am“I won’t even go into the “that’s how we feed animals” fracas at the convention.”
sleeeepy – That’s OK because you tried the distraction from the liberal journalist who didn’t understand what he was witnessing during the USA chants yesterday and immediately leaped to the predictable stupid conclusion it was racism. I smell your desperation.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:43 amThat didn’t take long: Yahoo! News head fired.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:44 amSame link updated with Yahoo News statement:
“David Chalian’s statement was inappropriate and does not represent the views of Yahoo!. He has been terminated effective immediately. We have already reached out to the Romney campaign, and we apologize to Mitt Romney, his staff, their supporters and anyone who was offended.”
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:47 amThe Republicans -plan and platform- want to make it even easier for the rich to become richer, and even harder for the poor to be anything but poor.
Lie
JD (b0764b) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:52 am__________________________________________
I relish the thought of paying more actual money (let alone percentages) than wealthy business owners do in taxes.
I was talking with a liberal a few months ago and he was yapping about how the wealthy aren’t paying more in taxes. I chimed in that I’m far more irked that people of average income pay too much in taxes, particularly when all taxes imposed at the federal, state and local levels are tallied up. I see no automatic corollary between taxes on the wealthy going up and taxes on everyone else going down.
I also said that I can understand why a person who’s at least employed by a government agency is greedy about grabbing as much money as possible through taxes, because he or she at least gets something (ie, a paycheck, and health and retirement benefits) out of that Faustian bargain.
For the rest of us, a lot of the public sector is merely a big faceless mess, full of pencil pushers who force us to buy “goods and services” that we don’t need or want. That includes even a good portion of so-called vital services provided by police and fire departments (and, yea, the military too) that can easily end up operating beyond what’s truly necessary or required.
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:53 am== won’t even go into the “that’s how we feed animals” fracas at the convention==
Thank you.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:54 amBecause if it happened inside the convention center at all which I doubt, it was for the purpose of political theatre and performed by an Axelrod actor. This “story” has been casually dropped into dozens of right leaning sites since last night by trolls yet no one ever seems to have a link or be able to cite the location or the identity of the “racist” speaker or the “cameraman”. (I suppose it would be bad form to link the list of troll fake talking point instructions which were sent out from Chicago yesterday, though. Or to show the face of a known Obama supporter or operative.)
The NYT doesn’t like it? That’s a good thing.
BTW I agree that O’s actually referring to the bridge, etc., but the entire speech means exactly what the GOP says it means. He believes, like FAuxcahontas, that we couldn’t do it without government.
Patricia (e1d89d) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:55 amUgh. Talking to a liberal a few months ago? Can’t we send em to concentration camps with gay people?
Jeffrey Diamond returns (c85bb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:59 amelissa – The nut throwing was apparently first reported on twitter by David Shuster from “Take Action News” so you know based on his reputation that it has to be solid gold.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:03 amJeffrey–take some well deserved bows. It was you who threw the nuts, wasn’t it? Are you primarily looking for internet fame and your name in lights or was it because you need the money Axe gave you?
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:04 amOh, elissa, I am pretty sure that this guy ran out of nuts long, long ago.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:05 amJeffrey Diamond returns – Welcome to the big tent. You have interesting theories. Tell me why you advocate concentration camps for gay people? I have never seen a conservative advocate that position before.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:06 amTwo things:
1. Obama got caught (at lest for the 2nd time — the first being Joe the Plumber) plumbing his socialism. Unlike with th Joe situation he has not been able to escape it. And it resonates across the country as SOCIALISM. Thus: the MSM needs to deflect….. over and over again.
2.christie was on a national stage building positives for the Repubs. Expect in the next 2 months for him to be in attack mode.
john b (577a90) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:07 amFunny to watch the Tolerant Left in action, huh?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/29/david-chalian-fired-yahoo-news-hot-mic_n_1840278.html
I wonder if he was throwing nuts, so to speak.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:07 amJeffrey is a classic Moby. And a serial liar. And has been banned previously.
Your fear stinks, Dimond.
JD (b0764b) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:11 amSure you have DR. Just wasnt in public.
Jeffrey Diamond returns (c85bb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:14 amJeffrey Diamond returns – Glad to see you on the correct side of womens’ issues, with people who prefer to grow the economy for everybody, preserve or reform our safety programs before they go belly up, and retain control of our own health care decisions rather than placing them in the hands of an unaccountable, unelected, death panel of bureaucrats in Washington who think they know what is best for us.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:15 amI see you’ve been promoted jd. It’s good to see some of the mentally challenged in our ranks get a shot. We built it!
Jeffrey Diamond returns (c85bb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:15 amDaleyrocks – if it couldn’t lie, it would have nothing. It is arguing with the caricatures in its head. Beyond parody.
JD (b0764b) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:18 am“Sure you have DR. Just wasnt in public.”
Jeffrey Diamond returns – No, I haven’t. But since you are here publicly advocating putting gays in concentration camps, a position I have never seen a conservative advocate, I feel I must explore your position further. Why would you waste money on concentration camps rather than just executing gays? Does your concentration camp plan include sterilization? Inquiring minds want to know.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:20 amJeffrey Diamond returns – Apart from commentators on MSNBC, where can we find other people who think like you?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:22 amWhy do so many lefty trolls get a hold of a soundbite (in written form of course) and drop it into every post, with the tone and attitude of “I WIN!!
Well actually troll, we did build it, not the government.
Major fail.
kinlaw (8f4928) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:23 am________________________________________________
Can’t we send em to concentration camps with gay people?
Interesting you mention “gay,” because a regular on this forum, Leviticus, who’s a fairly staunch liberal, dismissed Chris Christie’s speech last night as being “gay.” I don’t believe that was meant in a good, big-hugs, rainbow-flag, kum-bah-wah way.
Reactions like that can be a window into someone’s mind — another Freudian slip, if you will (hi, Obama and your “you didn’t build that”!) — in which someone analogous to, say, Yahoo’s now-ex Washington bureau chief applies their own sentiments onto others. In some quarters that’s known as projecting.
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:25 am“Jeffrey Diamond is A Welfare Girl’s Best Friend,” to quote Marilyn Monroe.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:30 am“Jeffrey Diamond returns” sounds and acts a lot like tye. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if he’s covered in sock lint.
Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:31 amLooks like happyfeet and I will have to unite around our unique and controversial usage of the word “gay” in the face of the Newly Outraged Political Correctness Police.
Leviticus (4d838b) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:32 amMe too, and my daughter, and every teenager.
“Gay” just means “silly” these days. “Lame”, too. Even some queers are going back to calling themselves “queers” instead of “GLBT”.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:36 amNOPCP? Really, Leviticus, really?
OWACA, Organization Without A Cool Acronym, is much better.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:42 amLeviticus, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:48 amIt’s harder to stop a lie than a bullet.
BTW, I went to Loyola, Chicago, because I could take the subway there. Shut up about Leviticus’s choice of law schools. You know I am not a nice commenter. For example, “Elephant Stone, I like you better when you wear skirts”.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:51 am_______________________________________________
the Newly Outraged Political Correctness Police.
Ha ha. But why do those on the left often pretend there’s absolutely no reason to think of gay as being, well, gay?
I know the thinking of the typical liberal, reflected in the new platform of the Democrat Party, resists the concept of bad choices and bad decisions easily being at the core of various problems that impact this society. Political correctness — true, authentic political correctness — generally and frequently is merely a subterfuge to get around that harsh reality.
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:55 amWhich law school is Leviticus attending? Loyola is a good school. US News is not very relevant.
I don’t understand the degree of reaction to Leviticus’s joke, but that’s what comment sections are like. Leviticus doesn’t seem too bothered by it.
I disagree with Levi about Christie’s speech, though. It was arguably a little cheesy, but I think it was an effective and basic appeal to the middle. I though it was a good speech.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:55 amI don’t know where Leviticus learns law, Dustin.
I went to Loyola hoping to meet some sex-starved nuns.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:00 pmOh, stop with the whining.
Heat. Kitchen. Door.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:03 pmDustin, I think last night quite a few people here felt Leviticus was (either intentionally or unintentionally) sucking the oxygen out of the thread where we were discussing the main convention speeches through his self-admitted cynicism and jokes. I am even less sure why we are going back over the same “it was gay” ground once again today.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:07 pmWell, my impression is that Leviticus is a smart guy. I usually disagree with him, but that probably is also a point in his favor.
It never hurts to ask.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:09 pmAnd here I am exacerbating the problem.
I liked your reaction that he is just plain not into politics like some of us are. There’s a very good chance that’s right, and we can hardly blame him. But enough about that.
Here’s a link to a video of the 1980 RNC convention.
I think there are many parallels between that and the 2012 convention.
This link is to the live stream of tonight’s convention, starting in three hours. Handy to have if you prefer to watch online.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:13 pmI do, really, want people to stop annoying Leviticus about his choice of schools. Unless they want to link their own transcripts.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:15 pmYeah, that’s tacky, nk.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:17 pmLeviticus, learn from Patterico. When hit, hit harder!
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:19 pmI read the opinion in the NYT and then browsed the comments. All I could think of was “the Hivemind at work”
Neil (c2f42b) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:20 pmAmen, Neil.
The NYT cannot escape that this is a rude and unpresidential comment. It is disrespectful to those who actually are building this country and creating most of the jobs.
Imagine saying that to a business owner’s face. I thought Obama was supposed to bring us together! His plan seems to be to bring us all together in dependency. One the Cloward Pivens spending spree is over, theoretically we will all be so dependent on the government that it won’t matter if our currency goes the way of the Zimbabwean dollar.
It takes many assumptions to reach that point, but I think the biggest assumption liberals make is that we should be thanking them.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:25 pmWhatever you say, Neil.
We raised bees. My daddy killed the princesses and took the ambrosia.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:25 pmI think Neil was referring to comments at the NYT.
Here are a couple of examples.
That comment completely dismisses the idea of exploring space without government. Without government, there’s nothing to do.
This comment ignores that the message is to start your business and build something for yourself instead of waiting for success to find you.
That same talking point, basically, but repeated many times. Where are they getting this? Praising the hard work of our parents doesn’t mean that we all should work in a coal mine. What is this?
I bet that guy is an MSNBC viewer. An amazing leap of logic. I wonder what he’d say if I showed him how MSNBC simply wouldn’t air non white speakers at the convention.
I could go on. That’s the stuff I think Neil was referring to.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:33 pmnk,
I’m sorry I angered you last week, but let it go. You made controversial assertions about soldiers, but I was merely one of a number of people who struck back at you.
Law school is not always a matter of which school a student chooses; sometimes it’s a matter of which school chooses you.
This is a big boy blog.
If people want to throw mud, then they should expect it to be thrown right back at them.
If that’s too harsh, then the door to the parking lot is over there.
Harry Truman. Kitchen. Heat. Door.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:42 pmGwen Ifill is supporting Chelian on twitter. Calls him God’s gift to political journalism. We are so fooooked.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:58 pmWhat else would you expect from a PBS Princess.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:00 pmElissa is referring to how
That was pure hatred on Chalian’s part. He is the one with the prejudice problem. He’s supposed to be a provider of impartial news? And had he not expressed his views so honestly, he would be pretending to do so and most in the MSM would roll their eyes at the idea he’s biased against Romney or conservatism.
Ifill thinks that kind of hatred is what God intends of journalists? How did this crazed liberal get to be a moderator at a debate?
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:08 pmDustin, see my #106!
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:12 pmthe Newly Outraged Political Correctness Police.
N.O.P.Co.P.
papertiger (e55ba0) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:17 pmRaising bees can be tricky. Especially the annual drive to market.
Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:17 pmComment(s) by Kevin M — 8/29/2012 @ 10:47 am
So Yahoo does something that appears to be responsible. Good for them.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:18 pmyup.
I’m still miffed about our debate schedule. My favorite thing about Newt is how he exposes biased premises over and over. I hope Romney and Ryan do the same.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:18 pmhttp://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/29/family-research-council-poll-of-missouri-akin-45-mccaskill-42/
EPWJ (c5f1fc) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:18 pm@Patterico- “I like the national debt clock… a nice touch.”
And to think you said you know you’re not funny.
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:21 pmDCSCA
Nothing? You have nothing to your parties legacy?
Remember, Bush had to fund those democrat initialives which make up nearly 95% of that total number. If Bush didnt fund it – the troops were getting defunded.
Something you’re damn lucky isnt explained to the American people.
EPWJ (c5f1fc) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:28 pmInteresting thing about Chelian;
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/david-chalian/story?id=6499665#.UD57-aB-jcs
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:32 pmIMP is a clown.
JD (de8f83) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:35 pmI feel a Moronic Convergence approaching. The Singularity.
Please refer to JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls
JD (de8f83) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:37 pm@#115 EPWJ =yawn= “Deficits don’t matter.” VP Dick Cheney. Where is Dick, anyway… and George… and Sarah… or ‘the war ill pay for itself Wolfowitz’… Gone fishin’. Oh you’re Akin hearts. Tonight’s cartoons should be hilarious. Sing along: ‘The biggest show in town; is Huckabee the Clown…’
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:39 pm“It matters what words you use to express your concepts.”
Indeed. ‘Guffaw’ is out. ‘Ebullient’ is in.
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:48 pmIMP is not only a clown, but a typical leftist liar.
JD (144812) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:51 pmDisco Stu and his burbling stool-stew spew!
Icy (c5308a) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:57 pmI love how leftists wail and gnash their teeth and rend their garments over words that are taken out of context, when the context confirms the overall impression, but then like IMP above, actually do take words out of their context and trot them out like seals catching a beach ball on their nose.
JD (de8f83) — 8/29/2012 @ 1:59 pmHe was not saying deficits are OK policy. He was saying that deficits will not prevent a president from being reelected.
He was correct. Despite the Bush administration having deficits and a growth in deficit spending, they were reelected.
And Obama’s far higher deficits and lack of budget are no impediment to his reelection either. It’s only the real world effect from Obamacare and an unstable government on the economy that is causing Obama a problem.
Also, Obama’s hostility to business, as expressed in his completely within context quote that ‘you didn’t build that’.
Obama is on reddit asking questions. Last I checked, there were no visible questions about Fast and Furious or the lack of a budget. There was no question about Obama’s promise to cut the deficit in half, and the completely opposite results.
I don’t think most people out there care.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:08 pmWell that maybe so, Dustin, but the point is it’s actually dubious that Cheney said, as Susskind put in O’neil’s dodgy self service menu.
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:14 pmObama is happy to campaign and be on Reddit while black people drown in NOLA
JD (de8f83) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:15 pmThe quote is not confirmed?
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:22 pmChelian was political director for ABC, then political director for PBS newshour, then political director for Yahoo and now (for the time being) nobody’s political director. He do seem to get around.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:24 pmElissa – yet we are supposed to think that he delivers unbiased news.
JD (de8f83) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:26 pmIt surprises me not at all that the International Man of Parody is repeating the lie that Cheney meant that deficits did not matter in an economic sense.
Nope, no surprise at all.
SPQR (3a9ddb) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:26 pmJD–and Chelian’s not even a “real” “professional journalist”.
Chalian resides in Washington, D.C. He is a graduate of Northwestern University, where he majored in theatre and political science.
Um hum.
elissa (cd1133) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:33 pmWell, he was kinda theatrical.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:45 pmIt’s tough to hear whether something was really taken “out of context” when, like the folks at the NYT here, have your head so far up your alimentary canal that your ears are shaking hands with your esophagus.
Comanche Voter (29e1a6) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:46 pmOWACA
I prefer the AAAAA: American Association Against Acronym Abuse.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 2:55 pmhttp://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/08/29/black-woman-gets-standing-ovation-media-silence/
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:20 pmThe new York Post has the following details about what is going to be broadcast and by whom. (I would have liked to see this yesterday)
C-Span and various web sites will provide gavel to gavel coverage.
CNN and MSNBC will start at 7 p.m.
PBS will begin at 8 p.m. That’s Channel 13 in New York.
CBS, NBC ABC and Fox will be covering it at 10 p.m.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:25 pmComment by Mark — 8/29/2012 @ 10:53 am
I see no automatic corollary between taxes on the wealthy going up and taxes on everyone else going down.
The correlation is the other way around.
Democrats can’t raise taxes on everybody else unless they raise taxes on the upper brackets first.
Obama has stopped promising not to raise taxes on
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:32 pmthe middle class for his next term – the promise is only good for one year.
THIS IS NOT CLASS WAR POLITICS – ITS POLITICAL STRATEGY TO MAKE RAISING INCOME TAXES ON EVERYBODY PALATABLE.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:35 pmWe’ll see if the levees in New Orleans hold.
The problem in Katrina wasn’t the hurricane – it is the accumulated rain and the storm surge.
Everything was OK on day 1 of Katrina.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:37 pmElephant Stone,
I ain’t never asked for no apology.
Or offered one for being a prickfly.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:40 pmSometimes I wonder what universe Finkelman lives in.
SPQR (3a9ddb) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:43 pmTonight:
7 PM: Ron Paul video
Mitch McConnell (Senate Minority Leader)
Rand Paul
8 PM: John McCain (Arizona Senator and 2008 Presidential nominee)
???? Neil Armstrong tribute? (originally La. Gov Bobby Jindal was sceduled at this time)
John Thune (S Dak Sen – defeated Tom Daschle.)
Rob Portman (Ohio Sena and budget maven)
9 PM:
Luis Fortuno (Puerto Rican Gov)
Tom Pawlenty (Min Gov and former Pres candidate and toputed VP pick in 2008 and 2012)
George H. W. Bush (video)
George W. Bush (video)
Mike Huckabee (fomer Ark Gov, OPres candidate 2008 and talk show host)
10 PM (4 broadcast nbetworks)
Condoleeza Rice (former Secretary of State who was a hit with Romney contributors a while back)
Paul Ryan (Vice Presidential nominee)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:46 pm)
Ann Romney was on NBC. Talked about the debt bomb – Spain and unemployment in Spain.
I actually don’t think this is true because where would somebody put their money if U.S. Treasury is no good – is there some place better? The Euro? China?
The unemployment in Spain and Greece is because of the austerity. What they maybe needed was the kind “shock therapy” that was used in Poland after the fall of Communism. As much as is destyriyed,
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:49 pm(
carlitos (49ef9f) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:49 pmRonald Reagan (and actually now Romney and Ryan) thought deficits don’t matter.
What matters is the total amount of the accumulated debt.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:51 pm“The unemployment in Spain and Greece is because of the austerity.”
Sammy – You need to stop reading and believing what Paul Krugman says. He is a fraud.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:52 pmSammy, thanks. I now can easily see which time slot the puppy will be getting his walk. It was a much harder call last night because I wanted to hear everybody who was scheduled to speak.
elissa (91d38e) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:54 pmSometimes I wonder what universe Finkelman lives in.
Comment by SPQR — 8/29/2012 @ 3:43 pm
Leave the crazy person in his world and do not wake him. He may find in his world what he never found in ours.
Safe. The singer is so-so but the bouzoukis are music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thz0jkGpw0U
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:56 pmThere were more blacks on the stage than there were in the audience.
From the link above: “while the only evidence we have for the damning details of the second purported incident (at least as of the time of this writing) is the word of a partisan left-wing blog.”
Get out of your pajamas and into some real clothes and stop lying.
CNN http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/29/two-people-removed-from-rnc-after-taunting-black-camera-operator/
And just now Wolf Blitzer
The author the South Carolina voter ID law being argued in court this week. QUOTE:“Amen” and after a fan wrote in saying that black and poor voters would “be like a swarm of bees going after a watermelon” if the legislature offered a reward for getting id cards.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-election/why-and-how-romney-is-playing-the-race-card-20120829?page=1
Why (and How) Romney is Playing the Race Card
You should read it. It all about his lies and your bitterness.
Rick Santorum: “I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money.”
BUT MOST WELFARE RECIPIENTS ARE RURAL AND WHITE. It’s been that way forever.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:57 pmI want to know which speaker Elissa is skipping. Mccain or Huckabee?
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:58 pmThe unemployment in Spain and Greece is because of the austerity.
Silliness
Ronald Reagan (and actually now Romney and Ryan) thought deficits don’t matter.
Abject silliness, on many levels.
JD (b0764b) — 8/29/2012 @ 3:58 pmsleeeepy – Did you see where liberals tried to put a prominent black conservative woman back in chains yesterday at the convention? Where is the media reporting on that racist incident?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:00 pmI guess that SF didn’t see that bit that announced that the Euro-flow out of Spanish Banks, into German Bonds and London real-estate, doubled from June to July.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:00 pmI would think that at that rate, Spain faces collapse before the end of the year.
Plus, several of the Regions (Catalonia, for one) are demanding that Madrid give them greater access to the taxes that are generated within their boundaries.
Greece on the Eastern edge of the Med, and now Spain/Portugal in the West; how long before Rome collapses?
According to who? Why are you always counting what race people are?
Yeah, I don’t hear ‘black person’ when I hear the word watermelon. It can be racist, but I don’t think it’s clear in that case. The congressman seemed to be trying to be polite to a constituent.
I’ll tell you what’s really racist: the DOJ saying that a basic requirement like having ID is discriminating against blacks. That argument assumes blacks are inferior and can’t get ID for some reason. It’s ridiculous.
You might as well be directing political coverage for Yahoo you’re so biased.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:01 pmComment by sleeeepy — 8/29/2012 @ 3:57 pm
Speaking about waking crazy people….
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:01 pmComment by Dustin — 8/29/2012 @ 4:01 pm
DoJ doesn’t want ID’s issued to Blacks, as that would mean they would then have access to DoJ facilities.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:03 pmsleeeepy is too stupid to even understand Santorum’s point.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:04 pm“BUT MOST WELFARE RECIPIENTS ARE RURAL AND WHITE. It’s been that way forever.”
sleeeepy – So when liberals immediately shout “racist” when Republicans criticize Obama for unconstitutionally modifying work requirements of welfare reform, you are really confirming it says more about the racialist thinking of liberals. Thank you.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:04 pmOnly nk would find a Greek version of Dueling Banjos.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:05 pmComment by Mark — 8/29/2012 @ 10:09 am
That’s the first time I’ve actually seen a video of his saying the words that include the infamous line of “you didn’t build that.” Assuming he was speaking in a totally extemporaneous way — unusual for President Teleprompter — I can see how the “that” in his remarks was a case of a word being used carelessly and incorrectly. In this instance, “that” applied by mistake to a plural (ie, bridges and highways) instead of a singular (ie, business).
No, it doesn’t. The President’s people couldn’t figure it out.
t goes back two sentences to “this unbelievable American system”
As I said in comment 135 here this would make a great SAT or LSAT question. (Put these sentences in the right order)
Obama said: (cutting this down to the core)
Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
It should have gone:
“…If you were successful, if you’ve got a business, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. You didn’t build that. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. Somebody else made that happen.
By the way, this was indeed somewhat ad libbed (Obama had notes) Obama’s advisers thought his audience would get more roused if he wasn’t just reading from a script.
As I said in comment 265 there
“You didn’t build that.” doesn’t refer to the business. If so he would have said “it”, and he also would have said “If you started a business” not if you’ve “got” a business because Obama knows that not everybody who has a business is the founder.
And it does not refer to roads, because then he would have said “them”
“that” refers to “this unbelievable American system that allowed you to thrive”
And the whole thing is garbled and ”If you’ve got a business” is an uncompleted thought.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:06 pm154. And there’s nothing bad about watermelon either, or worth being ashamed about.
But it can be used as a way to put people down.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:07 pmThere’s a reason for the Americas.
Guess.
Where do poor hungry white people go next?
Forget the yellow, black, and brown.
They just sit around.
Can’t build a spaceship to the moon from a McDonald’s plastic spoon.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:08 pmI will probably regret noting this: a few years ago I attended an FBI recruitment seminar. They had pizza and I was a poor college student.
I was intrigued by the idea and asked about the next step.
Next step is ‘phase one’, the testing phase. And the first step is to produce ID.
Is Eric Holder aware of the DOJ’s racist procedures?
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:09 pm““You didn’t build that.” doesn’t refer to the business.”
Sammy – Of course not, it’s just in the same sentence with it for no reason.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:13 pmNo kidding. I have a very successful watermelon garden. I will wind up giving a lot of neighbors watermelons in a couple of months. There is nothing sweeter than a ripe watermelon from your own dirt. It’s one of my favorite things.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:16 pmUsed to be the FBI only hired lawyers and accountants. Male, woman-loving. Very white. Worked for one. Lived close to one. Never cared to work under the FBI personally.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:16 pmOT, but with a certain relevance,
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-29/news/os-george-zimmerman-appeals-ruling-lester-20120829_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-mark-
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:17 pmsleeeepy – Do you wear a giant vagina costume when you comment on this site?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:21 pmIt’s improvisation, SPQR. A mode and harmony. Re minore and fa majore. It’s a finger thing.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:24 pm45. 160. You know, I think maybe I should complain.
To the New Yorker.
The New Yorker called me a liberal in its August 27, 2012 issue
This is not really accurate in current day usage.
Now why do I say they called me a liberal?
Because in The talk of the Town, subhead Sloganeering Kelefa Sanneh wrote:
Perhaps Romney was misinterpreting Obama—some liberals argued, in vain, that the crucial “that” referred not to the business itself but to the “unbelievable American system.”
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment
/2012/08/13/120813taco_talk_sanneh#ixzz24ypfq3hl
Now, who else, on the entire Internet! said that, but me?
Romney was saying “that” referred to a business. And the Obama campaign and all the trolls and everybody else was saying it referred to “roads and bridges” Only I said that “that” referred to “unbelievable American system.”
“Some liberals” refers to me.
I bet Kelefa Sanneh read that no place but at Patterico, unless somebody else repeated this somewhere else.
Can anyone find this argument anywhere else?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:24 pmsleeeeeeeepy:
Too bad playing the race card doesn’t work anymore because no one takes it seriously.
I mean, sure, the left blogosphere gets to experience the ultimate rush, but everybody else yawns.
Great try, though.
Ag80 (b2c81f) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:25 pmDem trolls are panicked
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:26 pmwon’t show what does not fit their
sh*theel narrative
mi works too, but … well … it always works.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:27 pmpoor George 0bama
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:31 pmlives in a shantytown while
his keeper hoards cash
Sammy,
You talk a lot. You say nothing.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:31 pm==I want to know which speaker Elissa is skipping. Mccain or Huckabee?==
Heh, Dustin. You did a very good job of winnowing. The Huckster wins out by a whisker though. Someone will have to tell me what the good Reverend says while we’re out in the neighborhood sniffing trees and avoiding skunks.
elissa (91d38e) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:34 pm0bama is teh typical lefty… always generous with other people’s money. His brother’s keeper? More like stumblebum Narcissist-in-Chief.
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:34 pmTo Mr. Finkleman:
Even in the corrected script, the ‘You didn’t build that,” is unamerican.
All Americans who pay their taxes into the system DID build that. We paid our fair, mandated, represented share in to the system in order to receive those benefits. We aren’t getting anything for free.
This is why (to take an idea from an online essay I read on this topic) when we applaud someone’s accomplishments, we give them an award. They get up on stage, receive the award recognizing their achievement, and then they thank others for the help along the way.
We recognize the individual’s achievement, and in graciousness he recognizes those who helped him.
Obama’s statement indicates he has it exactly backwards.
luagha (5cbe06) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:34 pmavoiding skunks
Sounds like you got your work cut out for you, elissa.
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:35 pm“The unemployment in Spain and Greece is because of the austerity.”
Comment by daleyrocks — 8/29/2012 @ 3:52 pm
Sammy – You need to stop reading and believing what Paul Krugman says. He is a fraud.
This isn’t because of Paul Krugman. It’s obvious the austerity, which is real, and that doesn’t mean caused by lower government spending – it’s mostly higher taxes – caused this unemployment, Because of European labor laws, which give private sector workers tenure, this mostly affects younger people.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:36 pmracist NBC
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:38 pmairbrushing out black people
they don’t shame easy
Comment by luagha — 8/29/2012 @ 4:34 pm
Obama’s statement indicates he has it exactly backwards.
Obama’s whole argument is that people shouldn’t complain about paying taxes.
The big lie there was that what he was proposing were things to make it easier for other people to achieve things. None of that is true.
It’s also true that let’s say, the structure of law, doesn’t need very high taxes and that’s not where most taxes are going to.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:38 pm““You didn’t build that.” doesn’t refer to the business.”
Comment by daleyrocks — 8/29/2012 @ 4:13 pm
Sammy – Of course not, it’s just in the same sentence with it for no reason.
Obama was ad libbing.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:39 pmActually it’s not in the same sentence – the sentence about a business is uncompleted. Obama then goes back to where he was before.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:40 pmAt some point Greeks people thought they ruled the world, and the world said, “No”.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 4:42 pmHairless southern monkeys in the Savanah never made it past the Sahara. The human race developed where good evidence of its humanity is found.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:00 pmThe NYT speaks as if the rest of us didn’t hear the man.
You know, if I wanted the NYT to tell me what to think I’d be a subscriber. I notice almost nobody is anymore. Which just goes to show you you can beat somebody near to death with a clue bat and not necessarily make a dent.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:00 pmnk, the world was easier to conquer when the main competition was Persians 😉
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:02 pmre: comments 89-98,
I am just starting my second year at the University of New Mexico School of Law. I attend this school because I’ve lived in New Mexico my whole life, love it here, and want to continue living here. I applied to two schools: UNM and the University of Utah. I didn’t apply anywhere else because A) I didn’t want to live anywhere else, and B) because I wanted to avoid a mountain of student loans. Tuition at my school is $15,000 a year, and I have a substantial merit scholarship. (Tuition at, say, Penn is $45,000 a year. Out of state tuition at, say, UT Austin is $46,000 a year).
I would have continued to ignore Elephant Stone on this point, but it’s come up at length here and I don’t want to give him the satisfaction of taking my silence as shame: I could not be happier with my choice to attend UNM SOL.
Leviticus (102f62) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:06 pmYup. Who didn’t ever defeat the Persians since 489 BC? Wonder if they think they will change destiny, this year, by changing gods.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:07 pmis Meghan’s coward daddy, Senator America-Needs-A-Boxing-Commission, for reals lecturing us about “existential threats”?
really?
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:08 pmThe world would also be easier to conquer if you didn’t have a President who wants to suck up to the Persians.
I mean, if conquering the world was what you were in to.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:09 pmTheir women are very beautiful.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:09 pmBut then,
I have never seen an ugly woman.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:12 pmStrikes me as a reason to conquer the world.
And you are right.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:12 pmI also concur re: the beauty of Persian women.
Leviticus (102f62) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:14 pmIf you stir the coffee, you’ll find the sugar. And sweet is sweet.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:15 pmMr. Feets, you do not have to watch Meghan’s daddy. I don’t think you have a dog because you’ve never mentioned it but you can go out to get a tasty cupcake or wrap or sammich during his time at the podium if you think it will stress you out to watch him speak.
elissa (91d38e) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:15 pm“Look, we may have our differences, Iran, but I think we can all agree that your women are pretty damn hot. So how’s this sound: we stop cyber-screwing your centrifuge program if you agree to send a plane-load of your wonderful young females to our country on the first of each month. We’ll call them… exchange students, I guess.”
It’s worth a shot.
Leviticus (102f62) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:19 pm“Obama was ad libbing.”
“Actually it’s not in the same sentence – the sentence about a business is uncompleted. Obama then goes back to where he was before.”
Sammy – You can try to convince yourself by rewatching the video or rereading the transcript that he did not say what he said. Whether he was ad libbing or not makes no difference. The fact that he goes back to saying someone helped with that does not improve the context of what he said. The only people who seem to be trying to be claiming his words do not mean the plain English that was spoken seem to be on the left.
Why is that do you suppose?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:19 pmelissa one day that miserable cowardly douchebag is gonna die, in office, which is all he really wants out of life, and we’re gonna have one of those threads where we’re not allowed to say what we think of him
so I have to say it now
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:19 pmI shouldn’t have mentioned it at all, but I was genuinely curious.
I’m watching Breaking Bad right now! Small world. That’s a gorgeous part of the country.
and UNM is not a poorly ranked law school. It’s around where Baylor, SMU, and U Houston are. I bet you’re working your ass off.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:22 pm“This isn’t because of Paul Krugman. It’s obvious the austerity, which is real, and that doesn’t mean caused by lower government spending – it’s mostly higher taxes – caused this unemployment”
Sammy – Can you take a breather and define your terms so that the goal posts don’t dance all over the place please.
When you speak of Spanish and Greek austerity, what do you mean?
Liberals such as Paul Krugman have perpetuated a false narrative that European governments have engaged in dramatic cuts in spending, normally called austerity, which have led to high unemployment.
Please explain your theory, preferably without reference to the lump of labor theory.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:24 pmIt’s what Roberto Unger, Lawrence Tribe, and Frank Davis, all imparted to him, the state is supreme, the individual is but a grateful subject.
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:25 pmThe most beautiful women in the world come from some south Greek mountainside. A war was fought over one. The rest were carved in marble and stolen for museums.
Just as beautiful, the ladies of West Texas.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:27 pmBest of Luck Leviticus, I went to night school myself.
EPWJ (d84fb0) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:29 pmMkay. Somebody stop me. But has this a*****e ever not tried to take the credit for someone else’s success? Or not blamed his failure on someone else.
Look, the guy’s trying to take credit for SEAL team 6’s raid on Abbottabad.
Like it’s out of the question he’d claim credit for someone’s successful business.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:30 pmWomen are women and men are men. Show them something not your religion.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:31 pmLarry O’Donnell on MSNBC says President Obama is like sex-crazed Tiger Woods in his attempt to portray Republicans as racists. Yes, he went there. You know it’s bad when even reliable race baiter Martin Bashir calls him out for being over the top.
DCSCA probably loved it!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:31 pmthis is pitiful who are these losers? … the blond hooch and the guy in the ill-fitting suit
they talk to us like we’re short bus third graders
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:32 pmYou seem to be under the impression that he’s an 0bamist.
Milhouse (73b659) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:33 pmDustin,
No worries at all about your curiosity. Like I said, I had to give the shout-out of Elephant Stone would have acted like I was hiding something.
As far as it’s ranking goes… it’s not a University of Virginia or whatever. But it is a Loyola; and if a Loyola (plus experience) can produce lawyers like nk, I’m am more than happy with my choice. I’d be happy to be half as knowledgeable of the law and its practice as nk. And I never wanted to clerk for the Supreme Court, anyway. Or anyone, for that matter.
Leviticus (102f62) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:34 pmLeviticus, the smartest thing you can do is avoid or minimize student loans.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:36 pmSammy, there is no austerity, that’s Krugman’s lie.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:37 pmAfter she picked Corey, the bloom is sort of off the rose, with Bondi, Smolens I dont know enough about.
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:38 pm#212 , *or
Leviticus (102f62) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:40 pmSammy–I agree with daley. When people have a message of importance to deliver (whether it’s a boss, or a parent, or the president of the United States) it is imperative that that message be delivered in a way that is concise, clear and understandable–no multiple inferences available to the listener. People know what they heard the president say and based on his history they absolutely believe he meant what he said. All the parsing and sentence twisting in the world over “you didn’t build that” isn’t going to change it. Give it a rest. Please.
elissa (91d38e) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:40 pmLeviticus,
Thurgood Marshall took law clerks from Loyola, Chicago, when I was there, because … I have already said it three times.
Anyway, there’s nothing you cannot do with a law degree. Or without one.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:44 pmJust to toot my own horn, did I not call it? That the fact the GOP is even fielding a candidate is racist?
I did predict this would happen by the end of August.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:45 pmOK. Lots of people probably predicted that.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:46 pmIf you can convince me Zerobama is a Terran.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:51 pmOff topic, but to Dave Surls’ no doubt unhappiness, a Florida appeals court has ordered the judge in the Zimmerman trial to be removed from the trial for bias.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:58 pmIf that was directed at me, I’ll try to convince you once I can convince myself.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 5:58 pmAbout time. The man is a disgrace to his profession.
The court of public opinion is in order
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:07 pmObama was either attacking a straw man or giving the government credit where none was due.
Successful, law-abiding businesses have already repaid society. Yes, government built the roads that the employees travelled on to get there, and that goods were shipped on, but those roads are paid for via gas taxes and tolls. When a business owner pays his employees, he’s paying them for the education they’ve obtained that is necessary for the job. When he buys or leases a place, he’s paying property taxes or paying someone else to pay property taxes: either way, he’s paying his share to educate the next generation. His income taxes pay for police, fire, the justice system, and other elements of a free, well-functioning society. (His employees also pay for this via the salary he gives them.)
Just by paying payroll, property, income, and gas taxes, the business owner has already repaid his debt to the society that educated workers, made a safe environment, and built roads. I would say that anyone who has managed something more complex than a lemonade stand would understand this, but therein lies the problem (IMHO).
bridget (862c19) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:08 pmI love this line I’ve stolen from Beldar’s blog:
“…picking Ryan was Mitt Romney’s first presidential-level decision. Picking Joe Biden was Obama’s …”
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:09 pmit will be deeply deeply and really quite genuinely embarrassing to be a republican tomorrow
this is just a pitiful pitiful fiasco it’s like honey boo boo wrote all the speeches
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:10 pm(Which is to say: even if Obama is not claiming credit, the only other plausible interpretation of his words leaves us with the implication that he is a bloody idiot who doesn’t understand how the government generates revenue.)
bridget (862c19) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:11 pmLeviticus,
I think that’s great you chose to go to a less expensive law school as an in-state resident. It just so happens to be that’s where your law school is ranked—among the third tier.
You like to push the MSNBC/Daily Kos narrative about rich people this, rich people that, blah, blah, blah, and Republicans do this, and Republicans do that, blah, blah, blah, but you seem to think that your station in life—i.e. as a law school student—is somehow “off limits” for poking fun at—all the while you continue to take potshots at other people’s “station in life.”
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:13 pmLast nite was another example of your desire to dish it out, but somehow remain immune to return fire…you started calling Chris Christie, “super-gay,” and “a fat man” on one of the most important nights in politics of the past four years, and then you seemed genuinely surprised that people took umbrage with your remarks.
Hairless southern monkeys in the Savanah never made it past the Sahara
What you talkin’ ’bout… they’ve lived in teh Norcross for years and years now…
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:18 pmhe’s just wet behind the ears, elephant stones.
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:19 pmIt strikes me that the thing you have to understand about Obama is that he is a very insecure man.
So when this man without accomplishments was informed he had to add someone with “gravitas” to his ticket, to lend the appearance of experience that everyone knew he didn’t have, he picked Biden.
The one Senator who never added up to anything. Probably the least accomplished Senator extant.
He needed someone who everyone could assume had experience. But he would never pick someone who could overshadow him.
Hence Biden.
Now Romney is a man who’s accomplished things. He picked Ryan because, unlike Obama, he doesn’t lack confidence.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:22 pmLeviticus has his good days and his bad days but he runs on average more serious than our trolls. So I avoid ganging up on him.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:22 pmExcellent points in post #232, Steve!
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:31 pmPawlenty must’ve paid David Brooks a pretty penny for these zingers
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:32 pmSPQR,
If he can’t take it, he shouldn’t dish it.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:35 pmIf I were a Yankees fan, I wouldn’t go into a Red Sox chat room and start calling some of their star players “super-gay,” and not expect return fire.
Some of these zingers by Pawlenty would be pretty good on paper (such as in a column), but it seems like half the arena is taking a bathroom break or something.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:37 pmIt’s kind of obvious, don’t you think? The way he picked on the SCOTUS justices during the SOTU speech, knowing they couldn’t talk back, has to tell you something about the guy.
He does that kind of thing a lot. I bet he got beat up a lot as a kid. I bet he wouldn’t give you the finger if in person. Just while on stage.
Anyway, who picks Joe Biden? Biden ran for President, and lost. He could never get elected on his own. So Obama is a guy who doesn’t want to look bad compared to his number two.
Mitt Romney does not have that problem. Ryan, unlike Biden, could actually be President some day.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:41 pmthe Roberts Court talked back alright, if a wet sloppy blowjob counts as talking back
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:42 pmElephant Stone,
Leviticus criticized a Governor’s speech. You think that makes it right to attack Leviticus’s private life and personal success (from a position of ignorance). You say “If that’s too harsh, then the door to the parking lot is over there.” In other words, if your creepy obsessive attacks on Leviticus’s prestige and success are too harsh, he should go away.
This blog is a lot better because he is here, presenting an opinion I differ with most of the time, but doing so intelligently.
I have gotten bent out of shape before, so I can hardly give you a hard time for doing so, but I am very tired of seeing people attack others personal lives just because they are on the ‘wrong’ side of a political debate.
This is a discussion thread. Discuss. Christie’s speech was better than Leviticus gave it credit for. So explain what about the speech you liked. Discuss it.
You are too bothered by Leviticus’s presence and his choice of profession and school. Leviticus does have his poor moments, but those are opportunities to discuss things with an honest to God dissenter, much unlike this blog’s phalanx of trolls.
This comment is offered with no disrespect.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:44 pmOff topic, but to Dave Surls’ no doubt unhappiness, a Florida appeals court has ordered the judge in the Zimmerman trial to be removed from the trial for bias.
Comment by SPQR — 8/29/2012 @ 5:58 pm
Good. Thank you, SPQR.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:46 pmWell put.
That one thing, choice of VP, says a hell of a lot about both Romney and Ryan.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:47 pmHuck thinks we’ve forgotten his virulent anti-mormonism
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:48 pmWell Mr. feets, maybe Roberts doesn’t have a pair either.
Point is, Obama would never talk that way to Vlad Putin.
It’s no secret. I never liked the guy. But if you watch him, he’ll only talk tough to people he thinks have to put up with it.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:49 pmWho picked Biden, Carolyn Kennedy and Eric Holder.
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:51 pmI agree Obama is a coward but Roberts, like Meghan’s coward daddy, lives in stark quivering pants-wetting terror of the NYT editorial page
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 6:51 pmDustin,
Friend, I think you missed my major point…Leviticus on numerous occasions has taken potshots at “rich people” and “Republicans.”
He has particularly taken potshots at Mitt Romney’s wealth, and cast aspersions upon wealthy people in general.
I was just giving Leviticus a taste of his own medicine.
By the way, I really do not care what law school a person goes to, or even if a person went to college at all. I’m still extricating the left wing nonsense I was inundated with in college. I actually subscribe to the Dennis Prager world view about the social sciences in higher education.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:22 pmI should also add that I am hardly as old as people think—I have cousins who are younger than Leviticus is.
I’m not yet even age-eligible to be President.
Off topic, but to Dave Surls’ no doubt unhappiness, a Florida appeals court has ordered the judge in the Zimmerman trial to be removed from the trial for bias.
Comment by SPQR — 8/29/2012 @ 5:58 pm
Good. Thank you, SPQR.
Comment by nk — 8/29/2012 @ 6:46 pm
Amen, brothers!!!
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:24 pmThis Susannah Martinez person sure is impressive.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:25 pmElephant Stone, I’m pretty sure my comment clearly states my point.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:26 pmPaul Ryan!
Patterico (83033d) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:27 pmCondi Rice and Governor Martinez… bang, z00m!
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:30 pmTrue. But then, all Obama has to fear from he editors of the NYT is catching an STD. Or maybe getting a hickey.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:31 pmhe’s made himself very clear about the hickeys is my understanding
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:32 pmRyan and Martinez would have rocked.
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:38 pmI thought Condi’s speech was good and I almost felt sorry for Susana Martinez because she had to follow her, but Martinez’s speech was excellent. The GOP is blessed with many fine leaders and leaders-to-be.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:40 pmRepublican party sure does have some real conservatives under 50. Be nice to get rid of the Bush Wing of the Republican Party once and for all.
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:42 pmWoo-hoo!
Patterico (83033d) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:43 pmSadly, we have to finish with Romney tomorrow. Anyway, anything but Obama.
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:43 pmRodney’s been in the Sherms again…
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:46 pmIf anyone can steal some of the cookies away from the 100MM on the dole, it might be this boy. Got a charm about him.
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:47 pm#260 Reference please, I am not very bright. “been in the Sherms again” = ??
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:48 pmbarack 0bama
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:49 pmhe’s teh Blame-Shifter-in-Chief
wingman has hair plugs
Dems just can’t fathom
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:51 pmthe simple reality
stop. spending. money.
247. I don’t pick up a real trend in Leviticus’ political affections, he’s just a glass-half-full kinda sort.
Doesn’t want any unbridled exuberance in any established movement is all. None of the above voter.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:52 pmElephant Stone – Lighten up Francis.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:53 pm255. I’m feeling ya, for a distinct change.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:54 pmI am officially in love … “fading Obama posters”
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:54 pm0bama biden
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:54 pmwho wants yesterday’s papers?
they’re yesterday’s news
Barry’s misspent yute?
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:59 pmjust borrowed spent and wasted
ch00m shockah lockah
jimgeraghty “Boy, I can’t wait for Biden’s counterpunch next week about killing granny, tax returns, Seamus, and dressage.”
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:01 pmthe dems still have John Kerry, so don’t get too worked up about all the great young rising stars in the GOP.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:03 pmMitt’s gunna be mighty small compared to this.
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:04 pm272. ROTFLMAO.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:05 pm#272 So we should be unhappy we have a few young rising stars in the Conservative movement?
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:05 pmdaleyrocks,
Dude, I’m totally chill, the circled wagons kind of cracks me up, though !
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:08 pmThis Paul Ryan person certainly is impressive.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:09 pmSomeone went corporate on Juan Williams?
He be missing?
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:09 pmGunna go look for Juan in my pool …
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:10 pmHey, that’s G.E. Smith, formerly the longtime leader of the Saturday Night Live Band, playing guitar in “The RNC Convention Band.”
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:11 pm“Dude, I’m totally chill, the circled wagons kind of cracks me up, though !”
Elephant Stone – Bull crap. You’re so chill you feel it necessary to go into a defensive explanation like #247 when people suggest you leave a topic alone? As you noted, you’re still young. STFU and grow up.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:18 pmthat was way more convention than I’d planned on subjecting myself to
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:19 pmwatching Condi Rice be interviewed by Andrea Shearer on MSLSD… Purple haze, who spiked teh punch?!?!
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:20 pmCondi didn’t take Chrissy Matthews stinkbait!
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:20 pm281. Like this crowd would circle the wagons for Janine Turner if she were taking it on the chin.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:21 pmCondi Rice, Susana Martinez, and Paul Ryan! Wow. It’s been a long time that I’ve actually had a sense of optimism and – dare I say – “hope” in the possibilities of the GOP. How novel.
Dana (292dcf) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:22 pm___________________________________________
The GOP is blessed with many fine leaders and leaders-to-be.
Beyond that, it just feels like a majority of the people within the party — at the convention — are decent, sensible folk, adults who don’t have a lot of flaky, squirrely qualities hovering all around them.
It goes beyond politics too, in that I’ve often mused over what my impression of a Bill and Hillary or a Barack and Michelle would be if they were truly honest people with at least a modicum of integrity and a lack of all their excess, peculiar baggage. In such an alternative reality, Democrats like them could be no less of the left, but they’d be far easier to respect and take seriously.
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:22 pmCondi stood head and shoulders above everybody I thought
and a damn sight more than that above a lot of those dorks
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:25 pm“that was way more convention than I’d planned on subjecting myself to”
Mr. Feets – You seem like you are in a mood. You should go journal or eat a tasty cupcake.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:25 pmI was cleaning house while the convention thing was on cause of I have company coming
obama-lurving company, bless her heart
I’m not degreasing the stove for her or anything I’m just putting shiny cookware on top of the burners
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:27 pmJonahNRO “Breaking: Andrew Sullivan sure Ryan not the father of his children.”
Colonel Haiku (da0b1e) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:34 pmdaleyrocks,
I’m sorry if I upset you. Not everyone reads every comment in every thread, so I was trying to give a synopsis for those who had missed certain “episodes.”
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:38 pm“I’m sorry if I upset you. Not everyone reads every comment in every thread, so I was trying to give a synopsis for those who had missed certain “episodes.””
Elephant Stone – No need to worry about me, keeping a narrative alive is not being chill about it. Pestering people about their lives in meat space is not cool. Most people here are mature enough to understand that.
Leviticus is a valued commenter and there are plenty of people here who took up uniformed criticism against Romney more typical of the left because of his wealth and their lack of knowledge about how he accumulated it.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:46 pm292. “Not everyone reads every comment in every thread”
I read mine four or five times. The ones I comment on, hardly at all.
Seems par 4 the course.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:46 pmRomney used to eat tuna Mr. daley
and pasta
like a LOT of tuna
that’s how real he is
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:51 pm________________________________________
No, it doesn’t. The President’s people couldn’t figure it out. It goes back two sentences to “this unbelievable American system”
Sammy, I think you’re ending up in the territory of “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?”
I’d give Obama the benefit of the doubt, or I’d excuse his sentence structure for being merely careless, if I didn’t believe his heart was quite leftwing. But he is what he is, and in the eyes of such people, the state — the government — is supposed to be beautiful, benevolent and all-encompassing, with a safety net that’s a mile wide and a mile long.
At best, liberals like Obama perceive the private sector and the government the same way that a male chauvinist perceives the “little lady” and the “man of the house.”
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:52 pmlike he’d just spoon it right out of the can and say mmm tuna it’s tasty AND a good value don’t you think so Ann and Ann would say oh yes baby I do
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:53 pmAs a newcomer to the blog (several months)I was unaware of the dynamics and bonds among some of the longtime commenters here.
I’m terribly sorry that people became upset when I made a few snarky remarks in the past about Leviticus attending his particular law school. I’m sure he will have a fine law career. I hope he makes lots of money !
As KABC radio talker Larry Elder says, “We have a country to save !” So, let’s put this issue behind us, and focus on the election.
Thank you.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:02 pmA short refutation of the Obama Democrats negative-sum economics from Condi:
“Ours has never been a narrative of grievance and entitlement. We have not believed that I am doing poorly because you are doing well.”
Sadly, they won’t understand it.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:05 pmI agree E.S. Let’s all move on. You’ve brought a lot of smarts and fresh insight to the blog. I am glad you’ve chosen to comment here.
elissa (91d38e) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:06 pmAmen, my man. Obama’s gotta go.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:06 pmI thought Condi’s speech was devastating until I hear Ryan’s. Too bad they’re just preaching to the choir, since the network news will show none of it.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:10 pmWe have a deep bench for the national ticket for a couple of decades going forward…Martinez, Sandoval, Haley, Jindal, Rubio, Ron Johnson, Mike Lee, Scott Walker,
Todd AkinTed Cruz, et al.Perhaps even a Mike Pence or Jeff Flake…
I just hope most of the aforementioned can
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:12 pmstop themselves from laughing out loudhold their own against a Debbie Wasserman Schultz or a Martin O’Malley in a televised debate.this condi rice person is the best thing to happen to Team R since the tea party
she has gravitas to spare and she isn’t condescending towards her audience and she doesn’t talk to them like they were third graders as we learned tonight is the default mode most post-McCain Republicans instinctively adapt
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:22 pmadopt
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:23 pmCondi has impressed me too, Happyfeet. Maybe I was mistaken to think she would be a poor VP pick (based on her lack of experience at this sort of stuff). She’s got that quality politicians need to be successful at a national level. I still think Ryan was the correct choice, but hopefully we see more of Condi.
Given the problems The Romney administration will be dealing with, they could do with a lot of advice on foreign affairs.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:30 pmyeah I think Condi needs more distance between her and Bush to be a viable politician, but I think her value as an adviser and eminence grise is more her strong suit anyway
i would feel better knowing she has Romney’s ear
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:45 pmDustin
Condi would have been a game winning VP Pick
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:53 pmKevin, someone is watching–Romney got a big bounce today. Let’s hope they choose to watch again tonight over the summer reruns.
It was a great night!
Patricia (e1d89d) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:56 pm@SPQR (#226 — 8/29/2012 @ 6:09 pm): Thanks, but credit for the line ought go to Glenn Reynolds; in any event he’s who I got the line from.
Beldar (8e9db8) — 8/29/2012 @ 9:58 pmEPWJ, I happen to think Ryan’s pick was about more than winning the election. It was truly a risky and principled move I wouldn’t have expected of Romney.
Makes me wonder if he’s going to make more principled and bold moves in the future that aren’t strictly about winning the political game.
When he was nominated, all he represented to me was ‘not Obama’. Which is enough, but thankfully there’s a good chance things will be better than that.
We’ll have to keep his feet to the fire on a lot of things, but this whole party appears to be full of rising and principled folks. The next couple of decades could see a lot of progress.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:01 pmElephant Stone, forget it kid, its Chinatown.
EPWJ, what could be a better example of your concern trolling than claiming Condi Rice as a “game winning” VP pick when Obama is desperate to run against Bush?
SPQR (0c9c0a) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:25 pmPaul Ryan is a game-winning VP
but Condi 2012 stands rather apart and above all that
Paul Ryan as VP is far less powerful than he was as a rep in leadership, even under the fantastically useless Boehner
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:31 pmCondi will look sharp in a green blazer. Sharper than she did as a NSA on the long-defunct USSR when the 8/6/01 PDA was pitched to Dubya. The Rice-For-Romney dish is all but certain to be served up as San Francisco’s treat as well as all of California. That sddress was a trial balloon for a gubernatorial run. Condi’s no Meg. And in a Brown-Rice mix-up, she’d likely win. Great job on ’30 Rock,’ Dr. Rice. The speech was good, too.
Lyin’ Ryan tagged PDQ for fibbing. Naughty boy. The life-long government droid has the kiss of Vader going for him, too: “I worship the ground Paul Ryan walks on.”–Dick Cheney. Paul, on the other hand, worships only at the altar of Ayn.
And what of Mama Grisly? Bigfooted by the Fox.
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:34 pmPawlenty was a hugely resounding kerplop of fail
what an off-putting little man he is
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:34 pmwhy would condi ever want to be governor of failifornia?
that’s a low-rent job for guttertrash wannabe politicians in bed with whores like labor unions and teachers.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:36 pmAww, DCSCA is blaming Bush for 9/11 again.
I guess that means he’s pretty secure about Obama winning, right? That’s gotta be what it means.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:37 pmDCSCA’s screed even more incoherent than usual.
SPQR (0c9c0a) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:41 pmDustin
Obama’s doing a real bad job of campaigning, its going to be a weird election
Lingles numbers are moving in Hawaii
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:55 pm@315- Hearings on paint drying on park benches were competing on C-SPAN 2. Ten-minutes of primetime TPAW was Pawlenty enough time to make Mitt look like a headliner in Vegas.
DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 8/29/2012 @ 10:58 pm“Last nite was another example of your desire to dish it out, but somehow remain immune to return fire…you started calling Chris Christie, “super-gay,” and “a fat man” on one of the most important nights in politics of the past four years, and then you seemed genuinely surprised that people took umbrage with your remarks.”
– Elephant Stone
I wasn’t surprised at all. Tell me which one of my comments indicated surprise, again? Sampling your “umbrage” was my entire purpose on yesterday’s thread, in case you hadn’t figured that out. I had a good time, and I hope you did too.
You don’t need to apologize. You haven’t offended me. But if apologizing would clear ill-will, I’ll accept your apology.
Leviticus (102f62) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:11 pmMr. Feets – I think it’s time to degrease your stove.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:16 pmit’s just I promised NG I would devote thursday and friday to her presentation and thursday I have chiropractor at 9 and dentist at 3 or 3:30 I can’t remember and friday is a half day and then company gets here friday at around 7 plus I have lunches both days
so what’s a little pikachu to do?
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 8/29/2012 @ 11:20 pmRice should stay at Stanford, we don’t need any more bushy progressives screwing up the future.
mg (44de53) — 8/30/2012 @ 2:25 amThe t-party wants to rid themselves of these malcontents.
Nice speech rice, now go make me some bacon and eggs.
The fact is – Mr West should have been given a prime time speaking slot. Not Rice.
mg (44de53) — 8/30/2012 @ 2:30 amMr. West makes me proud to be an American.
The bushaholics make me sick.
SF: “Obama was ad libbing.”
“Actually it’s not in the same sentence – the sentence about a business is uncompleted. Obama then goes back to where he was before.”
Comment by daleyrocks — 8/29/2012 @ 5:19 pm
Sammy – You can try to convince yourself by rewatching the video or rereading the transcript that he did not say what he said.
I never thought he meant what the words maybe seem to mean. The convincing would have to be he other way.
In the first place, I found it unlikely Obama meant that – it’s too absurd, even for Obama. It’s too “good.” It’s too strong. Obama wouldn’t say such a thing like that, even if he thought so. The way that’s phrased, the founder doesn’t get any credit at all! That’s not like Obama. That’s not his rhetorical style.
If he was going to say that, he’d make the point more than once. So the odds are very strong he didn’t mean to say if a person has a business, he didn’t build it.
And indeed, initially, Romney said it slipped out – he showed what he really thought – that he didn’t intend to say that.
Once you concede he didn’t intend to say that, you have a big hill to climb to say that that’s what he meant.
So you go over it, or I go over it, and say: “what did he mean?” “What’s the right way to understand these words?” “How can we understand what he said so that it makes sense for him to say it?””How can we understand it, so that it’s not a caricature”
Sammy Finkelman (2ae267) — 8/30/2012 @ 2:41 amI worry Condi will get SS and the cesspool remain surmounted with effluent.
How’s about Defense or COS?
Sammy, I.don’t.believe. No one does.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/30/2012 @ 3:31 amHow about Rice solves the referee problem in the n.f.l.
mg (44de53) — 8/30/2012 @ 3:39 amKeep this progressive out of d.c.
Comment by daleyrocks — 8/29/2012 @ 5:19 pm
Sammy – You can try to convince yourself by rewatching the video or rereading the transcript that he did not say what he said.
I didn’t initially watch the video. It’s from the transcript I understood it. Watching the video makes it clear why it’s hard to see what he meant.
The video does make one thing clearer: The key phrase is not a sentence. “If you have a business” is the start of a broken off, never completed sentence. Although it sounds more like he’s just trying to reword his sentence.
The transcript left off a word.
Obama didn’t say:
If you have a business, you didn’t build that
but he said:
If you have a business, that — you didn’t build that
Obama is arguing to the crowd, and pretending he’s speaking to rich people. He’s saying, don’t say you’re successful because you are smarter than anyone else. Plenty people are smart (like himself) (and they’re not rich) You worked harder? Plenty people work hard (and they don’t get rich) No, somebody helped you, etc.. Then his example is a teacher (rather than a person in business)
And much of what he says – in that whole speech – is wrong or deliberately misleading, or even a lie. The biggest lie being that raising marginal tax rates on the upper levels of income would make much of a difference.
If you go over the transcript you can see the interpretaton given to what he said is wrong.
Obama didn’t say “If you built a business, you didn’t (really) build it.”
1) He says if you have a business. Now, not every – or even most – business owners are the founders. It’s not saying anything that they didn’t “build” it and build is an unusual, very pro-entrepreneurial word I wouldn’t expect to hear from Obama. He doesn’t talk that way. Where else have you ever heard him talking about “building” a business? Build does not refer to businesses. (It doesn’t refer to roads and bridges, either) He’s thinking in terms of constitution and law.
2) He says a business, not the business, but he says says build that
If it’s a business, it should be build it, not that.
On the other hand, that doesn’t mean roads. If that referred to roads, the word would be them
The antecedent of that is system and it flows with his line of thought. The founding fathers built that maybe.
Now I can see now watching the video, you might miss it. It’s from reading the transcript – which actually misses a word – that you figure out what’s going on here.
Whether he was ad libbing or not makes no difference. The fact that he goes back to saying someone helped with that does not improve the context of what he said. The only people who seem to be trying to be claiming his words do not mean the plain English that was spoken seem to be on the left.
Why is that do you suppose?
They are the only people really interested in rebutting it. But they get it wrong. They stop at the first semi-plausible alternative. The writer for the New Yorker, or perhaps e he talked to, knew that didn’t makes sense. And he found something better. Incidentally I must correct something. That was in the August 13/20 2012 combined issue not he August 27 issue.
Whoever it was, probably only glanced at Patterico and didn’t notice that only one person – me – said it, and not “some liberals”
I couldn’t get anyone to agree with me. And I
don’t know if anyone could call me a liberal.
I work from the idea that what a person says is intended to make sense and that a person is not, as Patterico might say, a moron. I don’t think Todd Akin is a moron, either, or David Brooks. I start with a presumption that a person is not a moron. Or just plain crazy. I’d rather believe a person is a liar, maybe a clumsy liar.
Or, as in this case, was attempting to say something that made a little bit more sense. Lying too, though, by the way.
Sammy Finkelman (2ae267) — 8/30/2012 @ 3:41 amRemember the Charles Atlas adds on the back of comic books back in the 60’s? Where the weak guy on the beach gets sand kicked in his face by the know it all bully. The know it all bully is the r.n.c. The sand eaters can only stand so much. The time is now for the T-party to switch roles.
mg (44de53) — 8/30/2012 @ 3:46 amRick Santorum: “I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money.”
Comment by sleeeepy — 8/29/2012 @ 3:57 pm
— That’s a direct quote, is it? Citation, please, including context. Then, and only then, you may explain why it is okay for the government to play Robin Hood.
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 5:27 amI was cleaning house while the convention thing was on cause of I have company coming
obama-lurving company, bless her heart
Comment by happyfeet — 8/29/2012 @ 8:27 pm
— You didn’t clean that.
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 5:48 amCondi would have been a game winning VP Pick
Comment by EPWJ — 8/29/2012 @ 9:53 pm
— Because of the color of HER skin; right, use-the-tactics-of-your-enemy boy?
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 5:55 amI’ve severely sprained my scrolling finger!
I’m suing Finkelman.
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 5:57 amCondi is way too old and skinny, Eric, and those jaws are better on a Rottweiler. VP, no. SS backup, definitely.
nk (875f57) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:01 am#326, absurd line of reasoning. By that criteria, everything he says is so nuanced and subtle as to have all meanings to all people but mean nothing to him.
1) What he is said is consistent with other comments he has made
2) He loves big gov.t/taxes
3) He vilifies the successful (except himself and then he always uses I I I I I I)
So any reasonable person takes his comment, looks at his past comments, reviews his past work and says BHO basically feels that way.
You did not build it (others did so you owe them 75% of your income or you stole it in which case 100%).
Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:07 amAs opposed to the former gay bathhouse attendant VP pick we have now?
You see snarky comments only anger people who have alot of affection for this man
Paul is a nice family man, way to progressively Washington for me.
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:17 amSo basically we have two big government people running against an incumbent who has the record for expanding big government
great, just great.
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:19 amEPWJ, who was the last successful VP pick that had not first served in Congress?
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:20 amIcy
Bush
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:22 amOr an equally important elected office?
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:23 am340. Gong!
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:23 amBush who? Bush 41 served 2 terms in Congress.
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:25 amIcy
Read Ryans’s “plan” before commentating – I grow weary of the incessant chest beating
Ryan voted against his party in the single biggest entitlement spending and was in favor of expanding it and was pushing during GWB’s reign for the same TARP overreactions in 2002 and 2004.
Yes, he’s a nice man, yes he loves his country, yes he has a compelling life story, yes he’s MARGINALLY better than Obama.
No he’s not an economist, nor was he a successful legislator
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:25 am344. “I grow weary of the incessant chest beating”
Full disclosure, you’re cup size.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:30 amEric’s brain synapses appear not to be connecting properly again this morning.
elissa (137a2a) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:31 amIcy
2 terms decades before he became president, founded an oil company, was the director of the
CIA in one of its most successful eras, in fact so successful the dems branded it a republican institution and pulled it’s powers.
Look, if you all really cared about our country and its chances to elect a businessman to the whitehouse he needed to pick a woman.
Even his wife agreed: http://thehill.com/video/campaign/236253-ann-romney-says-vp-pick-could-be-female and when he loses and he will lose, Romney has no one to blame but himself for angering hispanics and blowing it with women by picking the pastiest white male he could find.
Romney knows the best economist and financial wizards in the world – Ryan isnt one of those
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:32 am==Look, if you all really cared about our country and its chances to elect a businessman to the whitehouse he needed to pick a woman==
I rest my case.
elissa (137a2a) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:36 amelissa
do you have a discussion comment? Or are you making a slur a slander?
As someone much smarter than I said (which is most people)
Ryan needed to impress independents who really historically dont like Republicans (like Palin could have she struck a cord)
Ryans speech appealed to Republicans – wronf audience he already has our vote
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:36 amNo Eric, you da unrivaled master of slur and slander here.
elissa (137a2a) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:39 amElissa
So are you saying there were no good women able to serve? Am I stating your last comment correctly?
I gave a quite lengthy list of women all much more successful than Ryan who were passed over.
Should i tell female republican party leaders that the commentators of this blog do not support women VP’s?
Is that the kind of statement you are making?
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:39 amElissa
Then state them now. If you want to make personal comments then show them.
And every time you comment I will be reminding you.
Lets here em.
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:41 amHere, let me help you out: it was Henry Wallace, who rode FDR’s coattails when the latter was elected to his third term in 1940. EVERY vice-president since then has held high elected office (congressman, senator, governor) prior to winning election as VP.
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:43 amActually elissa you are not worth the time, your “ingredients in the soup” comment speaks volumes about the real elissa behind all this.
So you are okay with a young, unaccomplished legislator who voted against his party to expand government as our VP.
Thats okay I dont think alot of people even bothered to look up his record
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:44 amLet’s see. Republicans doing well. Suddenly, lots and lots of bizarre trolls (tools?) appear:
“sleeeepy” who is clearly a long term, previously banned troll
DCSCA appears with his odd Colonel Blowhard pontifications.
A few new (or are they new?) trolls.
And EPWJ (eeeeeeeewPWJ) appears to thread jack and act as if he is in need of a physician’s care.
Maybe these are good sign…..
Simon Jester (f3ca55) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:47 amIcy
First thanks for being respectful, second, I didnt know until last week that ryan actually introduced TARP in 2002 AND AGAIN IN 2004.
As well as being ony one of 30 Repblicans voting for it.
Bidens going to wipe the floor with him everytime he goes after the record by reminding him of sdoing that – if the “moderators” dont bring it up as a subject first being the “neutral” moderators that we all know and love.
I was hoping Ryan would talk about jobs and not himself
Jobs fix alot of fiscal problems, good jobs make them go away
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:48 amSimon,
Do you have a comment for the discussion or should we talk about youre calling me a terrorist and a liar and a Walter Middy type person because you have personal issues with my having considerable personal success?
I would appreciate a comment on what I am saying not what you in your ignorance think I am.
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:50 amDelicious, by the way!
The fellow who has been shown, repeatedly, not to have read or understood the links he cites, actually accuses someone else of not looking up someone’s record!
What is it with these silly prats and projection?
Simon Jester (f3ca55) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:51 amSee what I mean? Just a bad person, all around.
Simon Jester (f3ca55) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:52 amThey look at 1984, as a cookbook;
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2012/08/29/abc-hosts-liberal-univision-anchor-over-airing-susana-martinezs-rnc-spee
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:52 amAnd simon, again we were talking about Ryan, ryan was last night this is the convention day 2 thread and the only people threadjacking are you and elissa by trying to comment about me personally.
So be careful accusing me of threadjacking when I’m talking about the subject
however this is about as accurate as you usually are.
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:53 amMy, you are touchy. No, trolly, you are the one who tries to thread jack, incessantly.
Sooner or later, someone is going to list a History of Dishonest Posts from you, and you will slink away again.
How is that mind reading of what Michelle Malkin really thinks about Paul Ryan going? We all remember that bit of comedy gold from your self important blather.
Simon Jester (f3ca55) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:57 amOh dear Gawd.
JD (b0764b) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:58 amAnd folks, even Ace loved Ryan’s speech.
Fingers crossed.
Simon Jester (f3ca55) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:58 amSimon
See, when I am making a point, you come in to make personal comments – totally unfounded to somehow give you creds on this blog.
You made comments if I can remember correctly that you were admonished by the owner of this blog when you didnt believe I was in the middle east and specifically in Abu Dhabi at the time – i was commenting in a hotel and you went into a screed about this and that and were just as normal bent out of shape.
I’m sorry a spent 74 months in the middle east, was in several countrys.
And you have accused me as if you know me, which you dont.
So why dont you stop the personal attacks and just ignore or refute what I say
Attacks on someone’s character usally reveals the lack of character of the other party
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 6:59 amWhy don’t we take a vote?
Commenters, I promise to no longer comment at all on this blog, if EPWJ does the same.
Tally up the votes.
Simon Jester (f3ca55) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:01 amBasically, you never state anything about anybody else “correctly”, Eric. You certainly never “paraphrase” what anybody else says correctly–and you darn well know it. You do it on purpose. Your act is insulting, tired, stale and old. I am very sorry that you must be such a sad and unhappy and unfulfilled person that you spend all this time complaining and railing at (and about) other people rather than living your own real life whatever and wherever and with whomever it is. Negativity is a cancer to the soul and you exude it in spades.
elissa (137a2a) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:02 amRyans speech was fine, it was to me and ACE. I felt it didnt touch and hammer home a jobs plan.
Jobs is what the fence sitters want to hear
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:02 amEric, you aren’t necessarily thread-jacking, but you ARE moving the goal posts. I asked you a question in direct response to your repeated assertion that Romney needed to pick a woman in order to win. I pointed out that holding elected office seems to be a pre-requisite for the job.
Your response to that? TARP.
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:05 amAttacks on someone’s character usally reveals the lack of character of the other party
Comment by EPWJ — 8/30/2012 @ 6:59 am
— Dr. King is spinning.
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:10 amelissa
paraphrasing what someone says is what EVERYONE does here. DRJ does, PAT does, JD, YOU, Icy, everyone does.
You dont like what I say. Guess what, maybe people dont like what you say?
While, a long while back, Pat asked all lurkers to come out and say what they felt how the comments should be conducted.
Go back and read that and then read ACES’s comment on why you should or shouldnt blog.
Elissa, I have 3 daughters, a loving wife who is one of the most successful women in business. I’m going to tell you what I do, i work with overseas investors and local investors to create industrial jobs in America and i do it pro-bono.
I am very concerned about Obama, and just as concerned about Romney because 12 years of progressiveness is a long time.
I’m telling you these guys are not it. They are never going to be it.
You’re so angry and filled with your love of your country that you are blinding yourself to the idea that things will change if Barack is sent home to Chicago.
I dont blame you for giving me a hard time, but I’m not the enemy
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:11 amIcy
🙂 steal from the best
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:13 amWow.
Simon Jester (f3ca55) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:13 amI mean, keep talking, EPWJ. You are better at making yourself look odd than I am.
Just wow.
Simon Jester (f3ca55) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:14 amLook I had my say you all have a good day and count your good fortune that the race is over and its already won, all we have to do now is plan the inauguration
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:15 amIcy
yes in a way your are right on that – so I’ll stop moving the goal posts
Besides – got work to do – have a good day everyone
EPWJ (2925ff) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:16 amHere’s a link to one of the journo thought leaders in the call Republicans liars movement.
Jay Rosen, who I have admired in the past, has become increasingly blatant in telling journos that they should say the Romney campaign is lying. That would be fine, if the Obama campaign was given the same treatment, but that’s not what he’s saying:
David Bernstein, that DC bureau chief who wrote to me, Michael Scherer, Alex MacGillis: all are realizing that mainstream political journalism offers no clear instructions to its people about what to do in this situation. The only “pack” response available is to do nothing. But nothing isn’t working. So which side are you on? becomes unavoidable for people who thought there would never come a day when they had to choose sides. . .
. . . Professional journalists, whose self-image starts with: “We’re a check on…” have to decide what to do about the truck that just ran their checkpoint, carrying the brain trust of the Romney campaign, who are inside laughing at how easy it all was.
So the media should choose sides, from a journalism professor. Nice to have it out in the open.
Political journalist Ron Fournier steps even deeper into this with his “Romney is playing race card” DNC talking point memo.
. . . I share this story to crack the code – the subtle language of distrust and prejudice that whites use to communicate deep-set fears, and that cynical politicians translate into votes. Translating Miller and Benson:
“Subsidization” = Welfare
“Generational Apathy” = Lazy
“They Slept All Day” = Blacks Sleep All Day
“I Feel Like a Fool” = I’m Mad As Hell
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (036010) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:19 am___________________________________________
and when he loses and he will lose
Yea, what a shame. Romney should have instead picked Dede Scozzafava to be his running mate.
There have been some suspicions raised about you by a few forumers in this blog, some of them going so far as to describe you as a “moby.” I originally thought they were painting you with an overly broad brush, but now I finally understand what they’ve meant all along.
Something doesn’t quite add up right about you. I’d characterize you as mainly a liberal, but it’s your effort to sound more moderate on occasion that indicates you — for some reason — are trying to be clever and tricky.
Mark (cf1ca8) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:20 amEric, I said “Dr. King is spinning” because you asserted that it is wrong to judge a man by the content of his character — exactly the opposite of what Dr. King taught.
It’s okay, though. Given the way you judge Romney/Ryan, we know that you don’t really mean what you said.
Icy (584273) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:23 amGood one.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:27 amComment by Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. — 8/30/2012 @ 7:19 am
Just heard on Glenn Beck (credit where credit is due), apparently McConnell (?) said something about Obama not working at being president, but working on making the PGA tour (obviously a comment about all the time on the golf course). The left reinterpretation is to say that is channeling the image of Tiger Woods and his infidelity as an attack on Obama.
Definitely an obsession to make all things racial.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:38 amMD in Philly,
Yes, racism’s the dog-whistle term for MSM journalists covering the election.
Ron Fournier used to agitate for a third party . . . His effort was a miserable failure. Unchastened by the public’s rejection of his vast expertise, Fournier decided to accept a two-party system and shill for the Dems.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (036010) — 8/30/2012 @ 7:47 amThat was the trouble with Palin. She was still not menopausal. Look up the discussion yourselves.
nk (875f57) — 8/30/2012 @ 9:26 amOne thing I doubt, MD, is infidelity from either Michelle or the ZerO. Nobody would marry that woman except from true love. And why else would she want to marry him?
nk (875f57) — 8/30/2012 @ 9:31 amYesterday it turned out that the two George Bush appearances was a single video featuring both of them.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/30/2012 @ 4:28 pmIf you can’t get the convention on TV or the anchors prefer to talk abouyt something else,m you can listen to National Public Radio (NPR)
820 AM in New York City.
Elissa could carry a radio while walking the dog.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/30/2012 @ 4:29 pmYesterday the Condolleeza Rice speech started before 10 PM. Even after, it wasn’t being carried by the networkls (or Bob Schieffer on CBNS was talking about something else)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/30/2012 @ 4:29 pmOne place with transcript of Ryan’s spoeech:
http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2012/aug/30/transcript-of-rep-paul-ryans-speech-at-rnc-ar-478270/
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/30/2012 @ 4:37 pmIt seems the GOP accomplished what they set out to do, after seeing the above postings, divide the powerful masses. The convention to me had undertones displayed of mostly an old world thought process. That is the perfect cocktail for history to repeat its self. We are no longer in an industrial age where those old processes work. Speaking as a conservative average Jo, I think, not with taught ignorance, not frustrated emotion, but with my mind. I look forward to being convinced. Think about it for a minute.
Kdee Smith (3a2df9) — 8/31/2012 @ 8:12 amThis was published only today:
Behind the News with Bill Ritter (WABC-TV New York) Sept. 4
9 weeks from today
My father in law lives in Tampa, so I’ll walk gingerly on this line of thinking – but I can’t for the life of me imagine why anyone would intentionally go to Tampa in august. Sorry. I said it. I had to.
I’ve been in lots of humid places, including my adopted hometown for the last 20 years, New York, but I don’t think I’ve been more uncomfortable from the weather than I was in Tampa last week.
Yes, Hurricane Isaac was passing offshore, making the air thick and steamy. But I’m told it wasn’t that different than normal, weather wise
The rest is a review of the convention (he thinks the crowd didn’t understand what Mitt Romney was trying to do – appeal to Obama voters.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/4/2012 @ 2:20 pm