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8/24/2012

GOP Convention to Feature Tribute to . . . Ron Paul?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:01 am



They’re trying to shut up his supporters, you see:

The second day of the Republican convention will feature a video tribute to Ron Paul, the Romney campaign announced Friday.

The film is one of many accommodations for the former Republican presidential hopeful and his network of supporters at the convention. Paul’s son, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), will be speaking on Monday, and the Texas lawmaker himself is planning a day-long rally with supporters on the Sunday proceeding the convention.

. . . .

The Republican National Committee and Romney campaign have been working with Paul’s supporters in recent weeks to put to bed anxieties that his supporters could attempt to disrupt the carefully scripted proceedings.

I certainly hope they include tributes to racist newsletters and to insane foreign policy.

90 Responses to “GOP Convention to Feature Tribute to . . . Ron Paul?”

  1. Todd Akin makes Ron Paul look like a nice guy with some interesting out of the box ideas

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  2. Are they trying to “shut up” his supporters? OR, are they trying to juice them into NOT wasting their votes by writing-in the isolationist’s name on election day?

    Icy (3615bd)

  3. He is a very good person, in many ways, despite being a doctor. He has taken his libertarianism so far to the right that it look like it’s the left. I am also troubled by his Stormfront connections, and his determination to be a spoiler in every election a la Ross Perot. Is it locoweed in the water where he’s at or just high alkali content?

    nk (875f57)

  4. he’s the poster child for looser involuntary commitment laws for the mentally ill.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  5. “I certainly hope they include tributes to racist newsletters and to insane foreign policy.”

    Patterico – Or how a border fence is keeping Americans in rather than illegal immigrants out. One of my personal favorites.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  6. Hey Obama has to deal with the far left kooks in his party starting with Dennis Kucinich, so we deal with Ron Paul

    Mickey D (d5ef2c)

  7. In all his years in Congress, how many bills has Luap Nor actually been able to get enacted? I don’t know that having him as Potus could be any worse than the current stumblebum. At least his supporters aren’t overrunning this site with idolatry for him.

    Pity he couldn’t get the media stuck up his butt like Obama manages. I see several networks are coming out with stories about the Mormon church. Maybe they could also get HBO to let show the Big Love series also. Because you know Romney Hood is going to wreak havoc on everything good in America. I like that media isn’t covering Ann Romney speaking at convention. Want to bet they give Mooooochelle all the time she wants?

    Calypso Louis Farrakhan (e799d8)

  8. The Stupid Party is determined to fulfill its destiny and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Giving Ron Paul’s supporters an opportunity to do for Barack Obama what Todd Akin did for Claire McCaskill is exactly the sort of self-inflicted head wound the GOP establishment can be counted on to deliver at election time.

    What’s next? Call for a tax increase, pass a resolution praising Eric Holder, or announce amnesty for illegals?

    ropelight (6b42f0)

  9. We saw this coming a mile away during the primary. Ron would attack the conservative credentials of the more conservative candidates.

    This is an aspect of politics that Romney is better at than some others. He built a coalition that seems unlikely politically, but is based on personal appeal (and I understand, the friendship of their spouses).

    We need Ron Paul’s supporters in order to beat Obama in November. There are several aspects to Ron Paul’s views I think are wrong, but several aspects that are right as well. I hope and expect that the tribute to Ron Paul highlights the aspects we share ground on, wisely building a larger coalition of support.

    Dustin (73fead)

  10. We must keep Ron Paul gruntled. :-)

    Andrew (011e9c)

  11. Hope they have a dance troupe disembowel Bennie in effigy as an intro.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  12. I certainly hope they include tributes to racist newsletters and to insane foreign policy.

    Why do you hope that? Ron hasn’t written any racists newsletters, or said anything racists. That idea has been discredited AGES ago.

    And what’s insane about not attacking other countries and supporting our troops by bringing them home? If anything is insane its our current foreign policy of killing people and creating more terrorists.

    Anyway, this is a nice gesture, but it would have been better if he was the candidate.

    Matt B (095766)

  13. Lo and behold the Pauloan nuts arrive.

    peedoffamerican (04c0e1)

  14. Ooops, “Paulian”

    peedoffamerican (04c0e1)

  15. Ron hasn’t written any racists newsletters, or said anything racists. That idea has been discredited AGES ago.

    No, it was not.

    There was racist material in Ron’s newsletter. His excuse is that he didn’t know this, which I find unlikely.

    And what’s insane about not attacking other countries and supporting our troops by bringing them home?

    Ron Paul’s foreign policy includes saying that Iran getting nukes is understandable and OK with Ron. Ron also would remove sanctions against Iran that are based on Iran’s act of war against the USA and its support of terrorism.

    Ron justifies this with an asinine moral equivalency.

    Ron’s foreign policy would get millions upon millions killed.

    Dustin (73fead)

  16. Another hemorrhoid the rnc has to deal with.
    As critical as I have been on Priebus, he has turned out to be a bright spot for the cause.

    mg (44de53)

  17. ____________________________________________

    I see several networks are coming out with stories about the Mormon church.

    And that same MSM back in 2008 was all over the story about Obama’s close relationship with the church of Jeremiah Wright. Yep, uh-huh.

    Hey Obama has to deal with the far left kooks in his party starting with Dennis Kucinich,

    But a major difference is that various upper-level liberals/Democrats, including Bill and Hillary and, of course, Barack, make pilgrimages to see the cuckoo hucksters such as Al Sharpton on their side of the political aisle.

    Giving Ron Paul’s supporters an opportunity to do for Barack Obama what Todd Akin did for Claire McCaskill

    If various people buy into the big-scare tactics hyped by the left, they’re either quite liberal themselves — and perceive even tiny signs of acknowledging odd pockets of rightism (if Ron Paul can even be categorized that way) as a major threat — and are willfully ignorant about Romney. IOW, they’re happily overlooking the fact that Republicans like Romney, if anything, are ideologically squishy (ie, “centrist”) and are far more prone to falling for PC liberalism instead of Paul-type libertarianism.

    Mark (18b242)

  18. Ron Paul stands for real change.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  19. I recall reading something about how Ron-Paulites were working at getting themselves selected as the delegates so that at the convention they could pull a big switcheroo and all officially vote for Ron Paul even though Mitt won the delegates in the elections.

    I think that scenario required there to be other people still in the race, though, the initial delegate vote doesn’t allow the delegate to switch from the primary-sanctioned voting.

    luagha (5cbe06)

  20. I think it’s impossible to get Paul’s supporters on board. A lot of them are 9/11 truthers and espouse other kinds of loony conspiracy theories, like the Bilderbergs are controlling the world through the Fed or something like that. A lot of them like the OWS movement.

    Gerald A (138c50)

  21. Gingrich and Santorum have released all of their delegates. At this point, it does not matter much what Paul’s delegates decide to do.

    Icy (3615bd)

  22. A lot of them are 9/11 truthers and espouse other kinds of loony conspiracy theories

    I have tried to work with one such person, a believer in many weird conspiracy theories, on an issue he was legitimately aggrieved on. One could never persuade him about anything. Once he had a gut intuition, that was it, even if it was a 180 from the last intuition, justified on nothing.

    There were constant problems with his lashing out at those who took the slower, more reasonable, honest path. There were constant problems from his selfish and paranoid demeanor, and his solution of screaming and threatening people served to isolate him and put those who helped him in awkward positions. At the end, I told the chemtrail 9/11 truther that his behavior was narcissism and proving counter productive, and of course he decided I must be part of the conspiracy.

    You are wise to be wary of attempting to get kooks on board. Getting them on board is only step one. Step two is having a give and take discussion where we find solutions we can all live with. Is there any chance of such a discussion working, if one side is full of truthers and illuminati kooks? Do they have the patience or patriotism to be flexible about heavy issues?

    But I don’t think the RNC has anything that long term in mind. I think they hope to get these folks to vote against Obama, basically.

    Dustin (73fead)

  23. “There were constant problems with his lashing out at those who took the slower, more reasonable, honest path. There were constant problems from his selfish and paranoid demeanor, and his solution of screaming and threatening people served to isolate him and put those who helped him in awkward positions. At the end, I told the chemtrail 9/11 truther that his behavior was narcissism and proving counter productive, and of course he decided I must be part of the conspiracy.”

    Dustin – It sounds much like EPWJ. I think toning it down to Nor Luap level cray-zee may be a stretch therapeutic goal for him given the current difference in sanity between the two.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  24. Even his enemies concede that he didn’t write those newsletters; I don’t see the problem with exploiting racists and kooks.

    His foreign policy is indeed insane, but only in the sense that it’s out of touch with reality. It’s a perfectly appropriate policy for the world as it was in the 19th century, and is in fact the same as our founders’ policy, which was appropriate for their time. That distinguishes him from Dennis Kucnich, who would be insane no matter when he lived.

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  25. Did anybody catch Mitt’s joke today? Apparently he made a birth certificate quip. I guess it is too late to take back now, but if you could take back nominating a racist birther (because there is no other kind of birther at this point) would you?

    trebek (a0561e)

  26. Even his enemies concede that he didn’t write those newsletters

    Really?

    I don’t see the problem with exploiting racists and kooks.

    You don’t have a problem with people selling that racist crap? That was Ron’s newsletter and he is responsible for it.

    Dustin (73fead)

  27. “Even his enemies concede that he didn’t write those newsletters”

    Milhouse – Nor Laup just nudge, nudge, wink, wink, published the newletters containing zany racist material. No problem.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  28. “Did anybody catch Mitt’s joke today? Apparently he made a birth certificate quip.”

    tye – He talked about where he and Ann were born and said nobody has ever asked him for his birth certificate. Pretty mild compared the Obama campaign calling him a felon, tax cheat, and implying he is a murderer, wouldn’t you say?

    Yet the Obamamedia and Racist Industrial Complex is full outrageous outrage mode. Double standard anyone?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  29. He talked about where he and Ann were born and said nobody has ever asked him for his birth certificate

    Clearly proof he’s a racist!

    Tye does a good job combining two lies in a way that is hard to ignore. I’m sure if he keeps it up, some birthers will explain they aren’t motivated by racism (which I believe), and then we can talk about something other than the economy as usual.

    But if this is all Obama’s got, one reaction after another to the outrage of the day, he looks incredibly weak on election day. What are we voting for? Some confused mess of reactions?

    Dustin (73fead)

  30. Did anybody catch Mitt’s joke today? Apparently he made a birth certificate quip.

    Yes. I thought it was funny, and perfectly delivered.

    Even his enemies concede that he didn’t write those newsletters

    Really?

    Yes. If I recall correctly it was Matt Welch who exposed the newsletter story in the first place, and he conceded that Paul is definitely not a racist, and didn’t write the newsletters. Who did write them is an open question, and IIRC Welch speculated that it was Lew Rockwell.

    Nor Laup just nudge, nudge, wink, wink, published the newletters

    What is that “nudge, nudge, wink, wink” supposed to imply? That he did write them? What possible basis could you have for that, since he says he didn’t? What reason do you have to doubt his word?

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  31. Quick question: Why is Rand so loved and his father so hated among republicans?

    And why is it insane to be consistent? Its not “let Iran have nukes,” it’s “it’s none of our damn business if Iran has nukes.” How are sanctions not an act of war? Did we all forget physics? For every action, there is a reaction.

    Or are we still going with the “they hate ‘Merica because of our freedom!” nonsense?

    And a closing thought for those of you concerned with winning this election: are you winning more votes for your side by calling the people who might vote for your side “insane?” It seems rather self destructive to try to shed votes in an election year. You really think you’ll be better off convincing the “paulites” to stay home because they’re not welcome in your little party? Last I checked, Romney needed every vote he could grab.

    Can we at least face the fact that without Paul, not a damn poster on this site would give two craps about the fed or civil rights? Ya know, credit where it’s due and all that?

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  32. Milhouse,
    I’ve been reading Lew Rockwell for about a year now. If he was ever racist, he most certainly is not now.

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  33. As far as truthers go, they hate government, so they follow Ron Paul because he wants to dismantle much of it. Racists like him because he opposes hate crime laws.

    Only a fool would assume that support is automatically reciprocated.

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  34. “What is that “nudge, nudge, wink, wink” supposed to imply? That he did write them?”

    Milhouse – Are you an idiot? I did not say anywhere that Ron Paul wrote the newsletters. I think his varying explanations for them over time remain a problem and don’t give a rat’s behind if Matt Welch has determined that he is not racist. I can form my own conclusions, thank you.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  35. And why is it insane to be consistent? Its not “let Iran have nukes,” it’s “it’s none of our damn business if Iran has nukes.”

    It’s not just “none of our damned business”, it’s “why should we care?”. And that’s insane, as well as amoral.

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  36. Or are we still going with the “they hate ‘Merica because of our freedom!” nonsense?

    Um, yes, they do.

    Can we at least face the fact that without Paul, not a damn poster on this site would give two craps about the fed or civil rights?

    None of us do give a crap about the Fed; there’s no reason to give a crap about it. There’s no conspiracy there. And our concern for civil liberties (not “civil rights”, which is a term used by “community organizers”) has nothing to do with Paul.

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  37. Ron Paul’s view of the world is reminiscent of that of Kitty Genvese’s neighbours. (I mean the legend of Kitty Genovese, not the actual event, which was far murkier.)

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  38. Milhouse,
    Um, no, they don’t. They may hate that we don’t follow sharia, but that’s not why they’re burning our flag while they dance around our burning soldiers. They hate us and want us dead for what our government has been doing to them for decades.

    Open a history book and learn how the Taliban, al Quaeda, and the ayotollah came to power. SURPRISE! We did that. And the ayotollah is still running the show. Achmedidijihad is just the ayotollah’s Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, saying crazy shlt that no one believes or listens to anyway.

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  39. “None of us do give a crap about the Fed; there’s no reason to give a crap about it.”

    Milhouse – Speak for yourself. The Fed helped create the housing bubble IMHO by keeping interest rates too low for too long. We’re seeing similar distortions from monetary policy with Bernanke printing money now.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  40. Actually it’s arguable that the interest rate spikes in 1999-00. and 2004-2206, did pop the respective bubbles.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  41. Not surprising that you all sanction the racism… especially you milhouse.

    trebek (a0561e)

  42. Bugger off, “trebek”. The lying trolls never get less tiresome.

    JD (9fce91)

  43. Who is sanctioning racism? “If I had a son, he would look like trayvon…”

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  44. ==Not surprising that you all sanction the racism…==

    Definition of sanction : Sanction has two nearly opposite meanings: to sanction can be to approve of something, but it can also mean to punish, or speak harshly …

    Being precise with his language is obviously not trebeck’s long suit.

    elissa (9ac10f)

  45. If I recall correctly it was Matt Welch who exposed the newsletter story in the first place, and he conceded that Paul is definitely not a racist

    That’s not proof of anything.

    Ron Paul is responsible for his racist trash newsletter. If he can’t run a newsletter, he shouldn’t run for President either.

    Dustin (73fead)

  46. They hate us and want us dead for what our government has been doing to them for decades.

    Open a history book and learn how the Taliban, al Quaeda, and the ayotollah came to power. SURPRISE! We did that.

    Bullshit. None of the above got any help from the USA at all; and if they had, why would that make them hate us? Or are you saying they hate us for not helping them?

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  47. Not surprising that you all sanction the racism… especially you milhouse.

    What racism?

    Ron Paul is responsible for his racist trash newsletter. If he can’t run a newsletter, he shouldn’t run for President either.

    He wasn’t running it. He’s responsible in the generic sense that he let some people use his name for it without keeping an eye on what they were doing. So long as the cheques kept coming in, he trusted them to write whatever they liked.

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  48. “Actually it’s arguable that the interest rate spikes in 1999-00. and 2004-2206, did pop the respective bubbles.”

    narciso – I don’t understand your point? Forget about 1999-2000, what happened to mortgage originations between 2004-2006 to indicate the bubble had burst? Originations peaked when mortgage rates bottomed in 2003, but remained very strong by historical standards through 2006. At the end of 2006, rates on 30 year were still below 7%. When defaults started sticking to people and they couldn’t peddle new paper is when the bubble burst in my opinion.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  49. “He wasn’t running it.”

    Milhouse – That depends on when you asked him. Sometime he said he was, sometime he said he wasn’t. His explanations have been inconsistent over time. Hence the problem.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  50. He wasn’t running it. He’s responsible in the generic sense that he let some people use his name for it without keeping an eye on what they were doing.

    You aren’t backing that up.

    This newletter was earning him a lot of money, and he is responsible for the content of this newsletter. It wasn’t just one racist gaffe. It was a serious of statements that all fit together well.

    If he couldn’t run a newsletter (And yes, he was in ultimate control and I think more active control than you seem to think) then he shouldn’t be running for President.

    Dustin (73fead)

  51. This newletter was earning him a lot of money, and he is responsible for the content of this newsletter. […] If he couldn’t run a newsletter

    Yes, it was earning him money, and yes he was legally responsible for its content, in the sense that if someone had successfully sued for defamation he would have had to pay, but how does that imply that he was running it? He says he wasn’t, and I know of no reason to suppose otherwise. Do you think George Foreman makes his own grills?

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  52. Sometime he said he was, sometime he said he wasn’t. His explanations have been inconsistent over time.

    When Ron was asked about the racism in 1996, with quotes, he responded by saying that they were taking his writing out of context. Calls to the newsletter’s phone number were answered by Ron Paul’s campaign headquarters.

    Dr. Paul denied suggestions that he was a racist and said he was not evoking stereotypes when he wrote the columns. He said they should be read and quoted in their entirety to avoid misrepresentation.

    Dr. Paul also took exception to the comments of Mr. Bledsoe, saying that the voters in the 14th District and the people who know him best would be the final judges of his character. “If someone challenges your character and takes the interpretation of the NAACP as proof of a man’s character, what kind of a world do you live in?” Dr. Paul asked.

    In the interview, he did not deny he made the statement about the swiftness of black men. “If you try to catch someone that has stolen a purse from you, there is no chance to catch them,” Dr. Paul said.

    He also said the comment about black men in the nation’s capital was made while writing about a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia.

    Cite:
    Candidate’s comments on blacks questioned
    Author: Catalina Camia Washington Bureau of The Dallas Morning News Publish Date: May 22, 1996

    No hyperlink.

    Nowadays, Ron never wrote nothin’ and he just trusted someone else to do it and even though he was interviewed on these writings quoting the racism, he had no idea.

    Dustin (73fead)

  53. Do you think George Foreman makes his own grills?

    I bet he is familiar with them. He knows they are electric and nonstick.

    Dustin (73fead)

  54. “Do you think George Foreman makes his own grills?”

    Milhouse – Are you saying a George Foreman grill is racist?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  55. “Do you think George Foreman makes his own grills?”

    Milhouse – I think that if the covers of the grills were stamped with burning crosses that the terms of the contract George Foreman signed allowing someone to market grills under his name in return for paying him a royalty would allow him to demand that the grills be pulled off the market to avoid tarnishing his image.

    Ron Paul apparently did not have similar concerns for reasons about which we can only speculate.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  56. Dr. Paul denied suggestions that he was a racist and said he was not evoking stereotypes when he wrote the columns.

    It depends which quotes we’re talking about. Most of the “racist” stuff was unobjectionable, and we should be used by now to hysterical shouts of “racism” about anything that mentions race, or even things that don’t, like calling 0bama “cool” or “angry” or pretty much anything else. But there were some things in the newsletter that were genuinely racist. Some things. And as I understand it he always denied writing those particular items. He certainly wrote for the newsletter; I don’t think he ever denied that. But there’s a big difference between writing for it and running it.

    Isaac Asimov allowed the magazine bearing his name to do so, wrote editorials for it, and presumably got a reasonable amount of money for this arrangement, but he never ran or edited it. I wouldn’t assume he always bothered to read it cover to cover. And of course now he’s not doing anything for it, but presumably his estate is still getting money for the use of his name.

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  57. Milhouse – I think that if the covers of the grills were stamped with burning crosses that the terms of the contract George Foreman signed allowing someone to market grills under his name in return for paying him a royalty would allow him to demand that the grills be pulled off the market to avoid tarnishing his image.

    Not until he found out about it. And what if he didn’t care enough to do anything about it when he did find out? Would that make him a racist?

    Ron Paul apparently did not have similar concerns for reasons about which we can only speculate.

    The reason seems obvious to me; he didn’t bother reading the newsletter carefully, and so long as the cheques kept coming in he let the people running it do as they pleased, writing columns when they asked him to but not otherwise taking an interest in it.

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  58. I’ll ask again: why do republicans hate Ron and love Rand? When it was announced that Rand would be speaking, there was no, “blah blah paulites blah blah Paulbots, blah blah blah racist” BS. When Rand suggests defunding Israel along with all foreign aid, he’s not the crazy old isolationist, he’s the young constitution loving conservative.

    I get the trepidation with the newsletters. But if that’s your main problem with guy now, I don’t know, pick your battles maybe? Maybe not work so damn hard to get that exclusive neocon vote, and try to look for common ground with the libertarians/independents.

    Or is “Fore More Years” what y’all are going for?

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  59. “Most of the “racist” stuff was unobjectionable”
    “But there were some things in the newsletter that were genuinely racist.”

    Milhouse – When you make up your mind or familiarize yourself enough with the story enough to write intelligibly about it, let us know.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  60. “Not until he found out about it. And what if he didn’t care enough to do anything about it when he did find out? Would that make him a racist?”

    Milhouse – I’m pretty sure given the racial grievance industry in this country that George Foreman would hear about it pretty quickly and that if he did not do anything about it the his other endorsement contracts would potentially be compromised because people might label him a racist or question his sanity for allowing such a product to marketed with his name on it.

    “The reason seems obvious to me; he didn’t bother reading the newsletter carefully”

    The reason seems obvious to me as well. Ron Paul is a racist and he cultivated a readership that enjoyed reading racist swill.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  61. But if that’s your main problem with guy now, I don’t know, pick your battles maybe?

    I’m not really worried about it and I do think the GOP needs Ron Paul voters to win in November. And we do have some common ground.

    It’s the crazy I worry about. Not any particular instance, but the actual crazy.

    Dustin (73fead)

  62. Milhouse – Are you saying a George Foreman grill is racist?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/24/2012 @ 3:12 pm

    They have the ability to blacken fish and chicken – but now that’s racist.

    Ron Paul – idiot

    EPWJ (4380b4)

  63. Daley,
    Ace is credited as the guy who came up with SCOAMF. He later promoted the SCOAMF.com website (now defunct). Ace is credited on te very first post of SCOAMF.com. Guy who runs that site posts “I officially hate all n*****s.” He posts two or three more racist rants, which stayed up until recently when the whole site stopped working.

    Ace, like Paul, didn’t know what was being written basically in their name. However, ace never acknowledged it, refuted it, or apologized for it, like Paul has.

    Do you really think Ace Of Spades is a racist? Or are you just comfortable with believing Ron Paul is because you already don’t like him?

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  64. Ron Paul – idiot

    Comment by EPWJ — 8/24/2012 @ 4:36 pm

    Irony-meters worldwide just assploded.

    JD (9fce91)

  65. Ghost, he was interviewed about his writings in the newsletter, defended what he wrote, and gradually moved to a position where he didn’t write it and didn’t know what what was in his own newsletter.

    Dustin (73fead)

  66. the streams have crossed, total protonic reversal imminent;

    narciso (ee31f1)

  67. ron paul ron paul
    whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
    twigs are broken/ no return
    twiggy is thin
    ziggy stardust is way cool find a bad song cancer jaw ebert
    ron paul-pack up ur buggy and…
    I’m just a girl who cain;t say no- I’m in a terrible fix

    pdbuttons (09ad71)

  68. “Ace, like Paul, didn’t know what was being written basically in their name. However, ace never acknowledged it, refuted it, or apologized for it, like Paul has.”

    Ghost – I don’t accept your history of Ron Paul and his writings. Like Dustin in #65, I have seen him deny responsibility, defend what was written, but I have not seen him accept responsibility or apologize. I think he’s a crazy, senile, racist, old, coot who should be locked away for his own safety. The fact that he attracts a bunch of support from zombie legalize drug types from the left is not a plus in my book.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  69. The fact that he attracts anyone to this side should be a plus. Unless you think Romney can take it without libertarians and independents. Worked pretty well for McCain.

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  70. First they ignore you.
    Then they mock you.
    Then they attack you.
    Then you win.

    Ken (ba52ab)

  71. Comment by Milhouse — 8/24/2012 @ 3:22 pm

    < Iaac Asimov allowed the magazine bearing his name to do so, wrote editorials for it, and presumably got a reasonable amount of money for this arrangement, but he never ran or edited it. I wouldn’t assume he always bothered to read it cover to cover.

    He probably did. There’s not that much content.

    And of course now he’s not doing anything for it, but presumably his estate is still getting money for the use of his name.

    It’s still being published, along with Analog.

    The two magazines are rally the same magazine, even though they have different editors.

    Stabnley

    It is hard science fiction, but there’s one problem with what’s in it:

    They’re not stories!

    In practically all cases, the scene is set – and then the story stops!!

    And sometimes the most interesting thing, like faster than light communication with the moon is just a premise while the story focuses on another “problem.”

    Stanley Schmidt is still the editor of Analog, and the editor of Asimov’s is Sheila Williams.

    Isaac Asimov is dead, but Robert Silverberg is still around He has a regular column (or department) in Asimov’s. He just wrote somethig about anthologies in the September issue. If you can find it, you have to get it quick now – the next issue (that is October) will go on Sale August 28.

    Someone should ask Robert Silverberg: Would he put anything that’s now in Analog or Asimov’s in any of his anthologies?

    Isn’t there anybody alive who knows what they’re doing? We need a John Campbell to encourage writers to write. There are no stories in these magazines!

    Feel free to forward if you can find an e-mail address for Robert Silverberg – or somebody. Somebody has to step in.

    Sammy Finkelman (2178a8)

  72. Would you believe…

    That Ron Paul has almost all the delegates from Iowa?

    What happened in the beginning of January was only a straw poll, and the actual delegates were picked so late that nobody but Ron Paul (and his suppporters) cared. I think they have several layers of caucuses.

    Ron Paul, however only got about half the delegates he thought he had from Maine. The Iowa delegation will give them passes.

    The Romney people pushed through a new credentials rules that will tend to eliminate beauty contests. What I read didn’t explain much more.

    Sammy Finkelman (2178a8)

  73. Ron Paul wanted his name placed in nomination. The Romney forces prevented that. Ron Paul wanted to give a speech. The Romney forces said he couldn’t do that unless 1) it was a ringing endorsement of Mitt Romney for president and 2) The Romney people approved every word in advance. Ron Paul said no, in that case.

    Maybe the hurricane will get rid of the movie, too., or push it to an even worse hour.

    He did get some ideas into the platform, though, like auditing the Federal Reserve Board.

    Sammy Finkelman (2178a8)

  74. The two magazines are rally the same magazine, even though they have different editors.

    No, they’re very different. An Analog story and an Asimov story can easily be told apart.

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  75. Feel free to forward if you can find an e-mail address for Robert Silverberg – or somebody. Somebody has to step in.

    I may well see him at the Worldcon. But I don’t agree that the magazines, either of them, need rescuing.

    Milhouse (8acf6a)

  76. Interesting article about Ron Paul supporters’ negative views of Romney and Obama. It reminds me of EPWJ. Do you identify with this, EPWJ?

    If so, Obama has had his 4 years. Why not give Romney a chance?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  77. Playing the “race card” I see. I guess you don’t see anything wrong with it when you need it, huh?

    I think that you’ve fingerprinted yourself here Patterico.

    ModRepublican (0c4b6b)

  78. Did anybody understand what MockRepublican said?

    nk (875f57)

  79. Did anybody understand what MockRepublican said?

    I cannot understand him. I think he’s trying to call people racist, but can’t figure out a good way to make the accusation stick, so he’s tap dancing around it.

    Dustin (73fead)

  80. Drj,

    Individualists, the bulk of Paul’s supporters, really shouldn’t be lumped together as group thinkers. Saying, “this is what Paul supporters think of Romney and Obama,” is kinda flawed. They don’t represent anyone but themselves.

    I’m not voting against his majesty because of his supporters.

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  81. Mod Republican Democrat,

    Go occupy the unemployment line.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  82. I’m guessing mod is in the wrong thread…

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  83. Do Paul’s supporters actually have the ability to think?

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  84. No, it was not.

    There was racist material in Ron’s newsletter. His excuse is that he didn’t know this, which I find unlikely.

    Yes it was discredited. Show me ANYTHING he has written or said before or after that is racists. You can’t because he hasn’t. So that obviously makes it an anomaly what happened, and its very believable that he didn’t know.

    Ron Paul’s foreign policy includes saying that Iran getting nukes is understandable and OK with Ron. Ron also would remove sanctions against Iran that are based on Iran’s act of war against the USA and its support of terrorism.

    Yep that’s okay. Because we have nukes too. You do realize they only want them to defend themselves, right? Its stupid no stop them. They will NOT use them on us.

    Ron’s foreign policy would get millions upon millions killed.

    No, it would save millions of lives.

    Matt B (095766)

  85. “Ace, like Paul, didn’t know what was being written basically in their name. However, ace never acknowledged it, refuted it, or apologized for it, like Paul has.”

    Ghost – I don’t accept your history of Ron Paul and his writings. Like Dustin in #65, I have seen him deny responsibility, defend what was written, but I have not seen him accept responsibility or apologize. I think he’s a crazy, senile, racist, old, coot who should be locked away for his own safety. The fact that he attracts a bunch of support from zombie legalize drug types from the left is not a plus in my book.

    He has never defended what he has written nor denied responsibility. He is protecting somebody- which is rare in politics. He is not crazy nor senile nor racist. The fact that you think so makes you crazy and senile.

    Matt B (095766)

  86. Again- nobody has EVER been able to point out a racists thing he said out of some newsletters in 1980. EVER. They keep harping on it, but that’s all they have. So it says more about those raising hell about them than it does about Ron.

    Matt B (095766)

  87. Awww, Clint. You know the rules- hit your mark, look into the camera and say your lines. Never adlib and ramble off-script– or prompter.

    Truly- and sadly- bizarre. Oh, Octo-Clint, Gene Cernan would have been better. He’s only 78– but been to the moon- twice.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  88. DCSCA, the teleprompter froze at the introduction. He had to wing it. Not bad, not bad at all for an old man who can still drive his point home. Perhaps he went too fast for you?

    Dana (292dcf)

  89. IMP is off its rocker. Maybe we will get stories about snapping towels with Von Braun

    JD (ca5af2)

  90. You do realize they only want them to defend themselves, right? Its stupid no stop them. They will NOT use them on us.

    Wrong wrong and wrong.

    No, it would save millions of lives.

    Iran having nuclear weapons would save millions of lives? You aren’t even trying.

    Dustin (73fead)


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