Patterico's Pontifications

8/8/2012

Aaron Walker: Discovery Has Begun

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:13 pm

Aaron Walker:

[T]he discovery process has already begun in my case. Kimberlin has been served with discovery and has twenty-one days in which to comply.

. . . .

[W]e do need to raise more money to keep this suit going. Do you want to see if Brett Kimberlin has the gonads to commit perjury in Virginia, where they might not be so lenient on convicted terrorists? Then please donate. It’s the first button on the right, or just go to their site.

Donations are by PayPal and do not require you to provide intrusive information.

Go to Aaron’s post for more, and to read the press release. Instapundit links and says: “He chose . . . poorly.”

31 Responses to “Aaron Walker: Discovery Has Begun”

  1. Day 1: Exposure
    Day 3: Infection
    Day 8: Epidemic
    Day 15: Evacuation
    Day 20: Devastation

    21 Days Later

    the days are numbered

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  2. I want these people to leave the folks I like alone. Maybe this will help.

    Simon Jester (6d2011)

  3. Donate, folks. It’s important. It drives some really ugly people bonkers, but don’t donate to tick them off.

    Donate because it helps people who need that help. Aaron getting some measure of justice after this seemingly endless campaign against him will protect everyone’s freedom of speech. We do not want the lowlifes to learn the wrong lesson.

    I’m proud to stand with Aaron and Patterico, and I worry about how this ongoing effort taxes the attention span of the wider world. Hundreds of thousands of people have heard about this issue, but it’s been a couple months since that happened.

    The stakes here are actually quite high for Mr Kimberlin. He has to explain himself to a new jurisdiction. Maryland has been disgraceful. This isn’t Maryland. It’s an interesting stage and I’m honestly pretty excited about it.

    Dustin (73fead)

  4. I for one say that if you want to donate in order to tick off Kimberlin and crew, you have my full support. :-)

    I also have another Kimberlin-related post, here.

    Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b)

  5. I for one say that if you want to donate in order to tick off Kimberlin and crew, you have my full support.

    Yeah, I guess I take that part back on second thought.

    Dustin (73fead)

  6. if only i had a j*b…

    damn this Failifornia economy!

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  7. BK, et al., are an extreme case of an American malady:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/richkarlgaard/2012/08/01/recovery-drag-the-age-of-cheats/

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  8. Personally, I’ll be watching to see what they pull in order to avoid actually disclosing anything. I’m sure they aren’t above actual perjury, but at the same time I’m sure they will avoid it as much as possible.

    DanH (95bad6)

  9. Why, DanH? They have not avoided it to date.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  10. Come on… put your money where your mouth is. Donate donate donate… #snakeoilsalesmen

    tye (770315)

  11. Tye supports Kimberlin and Rauhauser.

    JD (8b137f)

  12. I’ve suspected that tye was a wannabe of the Kimberlin Crime family.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  13. All sites work better when we don’t feed the trolls. Ignore them and they eventually go away. Now I can go donate something.

    BarSinister (664312)

  14. tye,

    There is no question about what BK and his pals have done here, and that this is a major example of lawfare intended to silence political expression about a domestic terrorist and his activities.

    No one is getting rich off of Aaron’s legal representation, but some scummy people have attempted a wide variety of attacks including attempting to reduce the funds available for Aaron’s legal needs.

    That’s what you’re doing. Brett already explained this ages ago when he threatened Patterico with lawfare, saying it costs him nothing to file over a hundred lawsuits, but defending yourself from them takes time and money “and for what?”. The bad guys didn’t count on people supporting Aaron so that he isn’t exhausted by the lawfare.

    That’s why we need to donate.

    Dustin (73fead)

  15. Discovery is not meant as a weapon. Taken seriously, it expedites a hearing on the merits. I have always wanted my cases heard, and I responded to discovery requests as I would want mine responded to. Protective order/in camera request for matter considered privileged.

    People are scared of discovery because it can be billable hour makework. Also called churning the case. That depends on your attorney — whether he is on your side or on the side of his wallet.

    nk (875f57)

  16. The one who keeps a cool head, and does not use the procedure itself as a weapon, will lose the least in this case.

    nk (875f57)

  17. nk, you are correct. However, there are things relevant to the litigation, that Kimberlin and Rauhauser have never been pinned down about.

    Further, the Kimberlin crime family associates have specifically threatened Patterico with abusive discovery and explicitly stated that their purpose in suing him would solely be to engage in such discovery.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  18. And they’ll lose. Patterico is a lawyer.

    nk (875f57)

  19. Conversations.

    My father: I don’t want them, there.
    Me: Lawsuit.
    My father: Why I did I send you to law school?

    My brother: They’ll sue us:
    Me: Let them.

    nk (875f57)

  20. Donation sent. Good luck Aaron.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  21. Sigh,

    Abuse of process, including malicious prosecution, is handled in the same proceeding in which the abusive lawsuit was filed. Collateral proceedings, before final judgment and before exhaustion of all appeals as of right, are not favored. Aaron will lose on the merits. Don’t know his costs.

    Also, please, someone, tell me how it makes America a better place if we were to draw Mohammed.

    nk (875f57)

  22. Brett already explained this ages ago when he threatened Patterico with lawfare, saying it costs him nothing to file over a hundred lawsuits, but defending yourself from them takes time and money…

    Many years ago, I made a comment on my blog about a thug who uses the federal courts as his weapon. Specifically, this guy sued people for complaining about the service they received from an online store he owned — and he sued them, and a mailing list host, and a handful of other people.

    He threatened to sue over my remark. Utterly no ground to the suit, but he was filing in NYC, and to defend myself I’d have to pay a NYC lawyer qualified to practice in federal court, *AND* likely travel there as well.

    The thug gave interviews where he admitted he files lawsuits all the time, that the courthouse is just blocks from his place of business, and it’s his “hobby”.

    I lost track of all the suits and countersuits (he made the mistake of naming a lawyer in one of the suits, and got the venue games played on him for a change), but it was clear that no one was winning.

    Also, please, someone, tell me how it makes America a better place if we were to draw Mohammed.

    Because we can.

    Rob Crawford (e6f27f)

  23. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death drop a few bucks in your tip jar to defend your right to say it.

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  24. I’m curious. What are they requesting discovery on? Unless this is confidential for the time being?

    Also at nk, of course Patterico is a lawyer, however I doubt he would represent himself though. AW already tried that and lost on that before Bours. Now Bours seems to be pretty impressive at his job according to the transcripts I’ve read. He sticks to his game and knows the workings of the court. Whereas Kimberlin was just flailing like a big dumb baby hoping for something that made its target.

    Kaitian (4aadeb)

  25. I have never represented myself either, Kaitian, not even for a traffic ticket. But being a lawyer makes you not be afraid of them, or of the process.

    nk (875f57)

  26. I can’t believe they can get away with this!

    Monique (30dabe)

  27. The behavior Aaron was subjected to seems to be criminal to me. But there is also a civil remedy to this behavior.

    Collateral proceedings, before final judgment and before exhaustion of all appeals as of right, are not favored. Aaron will lose on the merits. Don’t know his costs.

    Aaron is not simply suing Brett for his abuse of process in another jurisdiction, obviously. He has legitimate claims against these three defendants in Virginia.

    I’m not sure why he’s not laying out his accusations publicly and simply saving them for a court to hear. My guess is because every accusation is responded to with more lawfare in Maryland, but I am not sure.

    Also, please, someone, tell me how it makes America a better place if we were to draw Mohammed.

    Comment by nk — 8/9/2012

    You do realize that plenty of Muslims draw Mohammed, right? The interpretation that you must never do so is, in my opinion, extreme and incorrect. America is a better place when people with different opinions on this topic can live side by side peacefully, without the insinuated threats that Aaron dealt with. I believe one of the people who offered threats to those drawing Mohammed recently was sentenced to ten years in prison. I don’t care that he doesn’t think we should have the right to draw pictures of Mohammed.

    People who draw tacky or rude pictures of Mohammed can be called tacky and rude. The answer to speech we don’t like is more speech. When a campaign to silence speech is as successful as the extremist threats against drawing Mohammad were, America is very much a better place when people protest this thuggery, which is why Aaron was part of the ‘Everyone Draw Mohammed’ movement.

    Now, threats against drawing Mohammed are far less compelling because there are thousands of people who protested. That is specifically how America became better because of the drawing, to answer your question, my friend.

    Personally, I found some of the drawings to be offensive. But that’s what freedom of speech is like!

    Dustin (73fead)

  28. The “Let’s Draw Mohammed” was a minor part of the story. The clear impliation of Aaron’s last post on Allergic to Bull was that “Convicted Speedway Bomber and Convicted Perjurer Brett Kimberlin” was hoping to “out” Aaron in order to put his life at risk. He needlessly published Aaron’s home address twice at least in court filings for the specific purpose of publishing those public docs online….

    “‘Cause, judge….All I did was publish the court documents online….in my lawsuit against apparent Muslim-hater John Doe, 123 Huckleberry Lane…I warned the cops that he was in danger…”

    Ask Harry Reid how quickly word gets around on the innertubes.

    And ask Theo Van Gogh how well some Muslim’s take criticism.

    Ask Aaron how quickly bosses will overreact in a climate of fear.

    ukuleledave (c59551)

  29. “Some Muslims” is exactly right. I don’t know that there is any representation of Mohammed but there certainly is Muslim representational art of humans and animals in Turkey, Persia and India. There has been conflict for centuries over how naturalistic versus stylized it should be but that’s also the case in eastern Christian church art.

    nk (875f57)

  30. I think debating the “Everyone Draw Mohammed Day” is futile. Aaron thought he was making a statement about resistance to threats to freedom of speech, regardless of who does or does not agree with the specific approach.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  31. that’s also the case in eastern Christian church art.

    That’s a great observation.

    And there have been Christians who were too concerned with how other Christians practiced their faith (in my opinion), just as there are Muslims who are too concerned with how some Shiites venerate Mohammed in art.

    Anyhow, I do not like how one particular view, which seems to be the loudest and most strident, has come to define Islam in the minds of the politically correct. There is no one true Islam. It’s not fair to the folks who practice Islam peacefully and tolerantly to let those who don’t define their faith.

    SPQR is probably right that this discussion isn’t necessary, but it’s an aspect I enjoy discussing.

    Dustin (73fead)


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