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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CROSSPATCH....Why?  Very easy...he&#039;s making a good living off of the donations to his &quot;non-profits&quot; and would see the gravy train dry up when his past is discovered.

That&#039;s probably happened already since his exposure this past spring so....now he&#039;s trying to make money suing the guys who exposed him.

I encourage all to read the long version, especially his activities prior to his conviction in the Speedway bombing case.  This guy is a con man extrordinaire and will continue to be for the rest of his life.  The other two clowns?    Well Charlie Manson had his followers too.  &quot;Svengalis&quot; always find them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CROSSPATCH&#8230;.Why?  Very easy&#8230;he&#8217;s making a good living off of the donations to his &#8220;non-profits&#8221; and would see the gravy train dry up when his past is discovered.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably happened already since his exposure this past spring so&#8230;.now he&#8217;s trying to make money suing the guys who exposed him.</p>
<p>I encourage all to read the long version, especially his activities prior to his conviction in the Speedway bombing case.  This guy is a con man extrordinaire and will continue to be for the rest of his life.  The other two clowns?    Well Charlie Manson had his followers too.  &#8220;Svengalis&#8221; always find them.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahW</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2012/07/12/the-kimberlin-story-the-short-version/comment-page-3/#comment-1016400</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if you mean wise to the girls being fake at the get-go, of course not.  It took time for that to become apparent - the evolution of the star child account was not immediately able to be assembled, and the oddness of finding no other trace,  tommy was INSISTING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if you mean wise to the girls being fake at the get-go, of course not.  It took time for that to become apparent &#8211; the evolution of the star child account was not immediately able to be assembled, and the oddness of finding no other trace,  tommy was INSISTING.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahW</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venusian, again, based on Tommy&#039;s vehement vouching.  The mistake was trusting that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venusian, again, based on Tommy&#8217;s vehement vouching.  The mistake was trusting that.</p>
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		<title>By: Venusian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venusian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 02:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went back and read the articles.  The gist of them was that there were underage girls among the online harem....and that the MSM wasn&#039;t reporting on them.

Only later did suspicion grow that the girls were fake...and later yet did we find out that pre-existing Patterico adversaries might be involved.

Recall when suddenly &quot;Hi Neal!&quot; appears, written by Patterico, in his Weinergate reporting...in perhaps the 20th or 30th blog post, weeks into it?

I&#039;m all for Patterico in all of this, but I won&#039;t pretend that he was wise to it all, all along.  And it was a shocker to find that his old enemies might have set him up in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went back and read the articles.  The gist of them was that there were underage girls among the online harem&#8230;.and that the MSM wasn&#8217;t reporting on them.</p>
<p>Only later did suspicion grow that the girls were fake&#8230;and later yet did we find out that pre-existing Patterico adversaries might be involved.</p>
<p>Recall when suddenly &#8220;Hi Neal!&#8221; appears, written by Patterico, in his Weinergate reporting&#8230;in perhaps the 20th or 30th blog post, weeks into it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for Patterico in all of this, but I won&#8217;t pretend that he was wise to it all, all along.  And it was a shocker to find that his old enemies might have set him up in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahW</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2012/07/12/the-kimberlin-story-the-short-version/comment-page-3/#comment-1016369</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 02:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eary reporting on the girls rested as you said, a great deal on Tommy&#039;s vouching. There were so many squirelly signs already. Evaluation of the twitter streams was hampered by intitially incomplete/spotty reconstructions. But it was immediately very peculiar that two kids active on twitter (with the free rein of adults) had no other presence in social media, that there was no sign of them at their (claimed) school, and so forth. 

So suspicious was high, and beaten back by Tommy, and his Van-helsing style waving of the Jcard and his declared certainty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eary reporting on the girls rested as you said, a great deal on Tommy&#8217;s vouching. There were so many squirelly signs already. Evaluation of the twitter streams was hampered by intitially incomplete/spotty reconstructions. But it was immediately very peculiar that two kids active on twitter (with the free rein of adults) had no other presence in social media, that there was no sign of them at their (claimed) school, and so forth. </p>
<p>So suspicious was high, and beaten back by Tommy, and his Van-helsing style waving of the Jcard and his declared certainty.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahW</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 02:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll go one further, DRJ.  P can speak for himself, but I believe he was quite aware of the attempted deception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll go one further, DRJ.  P can speak for himself, but I believe he was quite aware of the attempted deception.</p>
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		<title>By: Venusian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venusian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 02:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRJ,

Early reporting on &quot;the girls&quot; was rooted in belief.  That all blew up after Preston&#039;s article.

For example, read this and stories in the days surrounding it... http://patterico.com/2011/06/05/more-weiner-messages-to-young-girls-evidence-the-media-was-duped-into-dropping-the-investigation/

&quot;More Weiner Messages to Young Girls? Evidence the Media Was Duped into Dropping the Investigation&quot; - by Patterico, June 5, 2011</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRJ,</p>
<p>Early reporting on &#8220;the girls&#8221; was rooted in belief.  That all blew up after Preston&#8217;s article.</p>
<p>For example, read this and stories in the days surrounding it&#8230; <a href="http://patterico.com/2011/06/05/more-weiner-messages-to-young-girls-evidence-the-media-was-duped-into-dropping-the-investigation/" rel="nofollow">http://patterico.com/2011/06/05/more-weiner-messages-to-young-girls-evidence-the-media-was-duped-into-dropping-the-investigation/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;More Weiner Messages to Young Girls? Evidence the Media Was Duped into Dropping the Investigation&#8221; &#8211; by Patterico, June 5, 2011</p>
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		<title>By: DRJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venusian,

I don&#039;t think there was ever a time when Patterico &quot;believed in&quot; the Reids, although initially he was open to the possibility they might be real.  Those are two very different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venusian,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there was ever a time when Patterico &#8220;believed in&#8221; the Reids, although initially he was open to the possibility they might be real.  Those are two very different things.</p>
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		<title>By: L.N. Smithee</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.N. Smithee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 01:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;No mention yet of Kimberlin’s 1988 claim to have sold pot to Dan Quayle when Quayle was in law school. In 1988, Kimberlin was in federal prison and Quayle was George H.W. Bush’s running mate in the presidential election. The claim drew immediate attention but dissipated quickly.

Comment by eteam — 7/12/2012 @ 11:09 am&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;It was the canceling of an announced press conference at his federal lockup about his Quayle allegations that made Kimberlin a cause celebre.  The warden suddenly put the kibosh on the presser, and Kimberlin was put into solitary confinement (ostensibly for security reasons) until after the 1988 election was over.  This rankled many reporters ready and willing to put fresh poisonous stuff about Quayle into circulation, primary among them NPR hack Nina Totenberg. 

Mark Singer waded into the controversy by suggesting (with reasonable suspicion) that the Justice Department was running interference to keep Kimberlin away from MSM mics and cameras. He penned a &lt;i&gt;New York Times&lt;/i&gt; op-ed titled &quot;Quaylegate,&quot; which bought him points with Kimberlin.  That led to their later collaboration for &lt;i&gt;Citizen K&lt;/i&gt;, during which Singer realized he made a mistake in putting his eggs in Kimberlin&#039;s basket.

After the election, Kimberlin was made available for interviews after G.H.W. Bush and Quayle were safely in the White House.  But according to the &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt;, CBS News sent &lt;i&gt;60 Minutes&lt;/i&gt; reporter Morley Safer to investigate Kimberlin&#039;s charges to see if there was any there there. The result: Kimberlin&#039;s only corroborating witness melted down in tears under Safer&#039;s questioning, admitting that his entire story was fabricated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>No mention yet of Kimberlin’s 1988 claim to have sold pot to Dan Quayle when Quayle was in law school. In 1988, Kimberlin was in federal prison and Quayle was George H.W. Bush’s running mate in the presidential election. The claim drew immediate attention but dissipated quickly.</p>
<p>Comment by eteam — 7/12/2012 @ 11:09 am</i></p></blockquote>
<p>It was the canceling of an announced press conference at his federal lockup about his Quayle allegations that made Kimberlin a cause celebre.  The warden suddenly put the kibosh on the presser, and Kimberlin was put into solitary confinement (ostensibly for security reasons) until after the 1988 election was over.  This rankled many reporters ready and willing to put fresh poisonous stuff about Quayle into circulation, primary among them NPR hack Nina Totenberg. </p>
<p>Mark Singer waded into the controversy by suggesting (with reasonable suspicion) that the Justice Department was running interference to keep Kimberlin away from MSM mics and cameras. He penned a <i>New York Times</i> op-ed titled &#8220;Quaylegate,&#8221; which bought him points with Kimberlin.  That led to their later collaboration for <i>Citizen K</i>, during which Singer realized he made a mistake in putting his eggs in Kimberlin&#8217;s basket.</p>
<p>After the election, Kimberlin was made available for interviews after G.H.W. Bush and Quayle were safely in the White House.  But according to the <i>Times</i>, CBS News sent <i>60 Minutes</i> reporter Morley Safer to investigate Kimberlin&#8217;s charges to see if there was any there there. The result: Kimberlin&#8217;s only corroborating witness melted down in tears under Safer&#8217;s questioning, admitting that his entire story was fabricated.</p>
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		<title>By: ukuleledave</title>
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		<dc:creator>ukuleledave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 00:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was one of the people looking for a Reader&#039;s Digest Version.  The epic total story cannot be told without crazy diversions into minor characters and weird topics.  

This version tells the highlights.  Good job, Pat.  

A word of suggestion to the bloggers knee deep in this: Don&#039;t worry about your moments of disagreement with each other.  Sometimes there are legitimate issues between writers about unrelated matters.  With so many strong personalities and so many lawyers involved, that&#039;s bound to be the case.  (No insult to lawyers.  You guys can pick nits with the best of them.) I&#039;ll bet Kimby and Roughauser love that kinda stuff. 

Just cause you speak up for a blogger in distress, of course you are not endorsing everything he/she has written.  Fact is, y&#039;all know that if the good guys don&#039;t win this thing, then porn, spam and popups will be the only things left on the intertubes.

Oh, and since this story broke, I&#039;ve been reading a lot more blogs, and learning a lot about the people behind them. (Even those who would prefer to be anonymous.)  Ali Akbar really is a guy named Ali Akbar.  Huh.  So tell me, is Allahpundit a muslim from Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was one of the people looking for a Reader&#8217;s Digest Version.  The epic total story cannot be told without crazy diversions into minor characters and weird topics.  </p>
<p>This version tells the highlights.  Good job, Pat.  </p>
<p>A word of suggestion to the bloggers knee deep in this: Don&#8217;t worry about your moments of disagreement with each other.  Sometimes there are legitimate issues between writers about unrelated matters.  With so many strong personalities and so many lawyers involved, that&#8217;s bound to be the case.  (No insult to lawyers.  You guys can pick nits with the best of them.) I&#8217;ll bet Kimby and Roughauser love that kinda stuff. </p>
<p>Just cause you speak up for a blogger in distress, of course you are not endorsing everything he/she has written.  Fact is, y&#8217;all know that if the good guys don&#8217;t win this thing, then porn, spam and popups will be the only things left on the intertubes.</p>
<p>Oh, and since this story broke, I&#8217;ve been reading a lot more blogs, and learning a lot about the people behind them. (Even those who would prefer to be anonymous.)  Ali Akbar really is a guy named Ali Akbar.  Huh.  So tell me, is Allahpundit a muslim from Iraq?</p>
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