Patterico's Pontifications

7/12/2012

More Deaths Caused by Illegal Aliens

Filed under: Deport the Criminals First,Immigration — Patterico @ 7:52 am

Houston:

A day care employee who police say ran a red light and crashed a van full of kids on Monday is in the country illegally and doesn’t even have a driver’s license, according to investigators, KHOU-TV (Channel 11) is reporting.

Glassock County, Texas:

The driver of a big rig dump truck that caused a fatal accident in Glasscock County is now facing two charges of involuntary manslaughter.

The wreck happened Tuesday evening when Ruben Garces ran a stop sign at FM 2401 and slammed into a pickup.

29-year-old Bryan McBride and 19-year-old Jacob Power were killed instantly.

We have learned from Glasscock County Sheriff that Garces does have a Class C Mexican license but doesn’t have an American one.

The Instapundit blogs a similar case in St. Paul, Minnesota:

IT’S ALL THE FAULT OF THAT EVIL SUV! “Scott wrote here about the appalling case of a 16-year-old St. Paul girl, Clarisse Grime, who was sitting in the grass at her high school, nowhere near the street, when she was struck and killed by a vehicle that careened out of control and bounced off a fire hydrant. The vehicle was driven by an illegal immigrant who has been in Minnesota for ten years without ever having a driver’s license. He was known to local authorities, having been convicted of drunk driving in 2001 and driving without a license just a few months ago. But the immigration laws are not enforced in St. Paul. So today, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reported on Miss Grime’s funeral. This was the paper’s headline: ‘St. Paul teen killed by SUV remembered at her funeral.’ Killed by SUV? That doesn’t really seem to be the salient point.”

No, but focusing on it helps avoid the salient point. Which is, you know . . . the point.

It’s happening all over the country. You’ll see it if you look for it.

95 Responses to “More Deaths Caused by Illegal Aliens”

  1. but are illegal immigrant people more likely to commit vehicular manslaughters than not-illegal immigrant people I guess is my question

    i don’t know how you would get at that… you would need to know the vehicular manslaughters per capita of illegals and the vehicular manslaughters per capita of normal people

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  2. It’s illegal alien not undocumented or immigrant. The per capita vehicular manslaughter rate comparison is not appropriate. The fact is these drivers were here illegally, driving without valid license (illegal) and committed illegal driving acts. A number of these folks, like the guy who killed the nuns in Northern Virginia, are multiple offenders. They shouldn’t be here driving illegally in the first place.

    If we need these folks as workers, then the question to ask is why the Federal Government has long refused to do it’s constitutional duty to control entry and, if needed, set up a guest worker registration program?

    Bob (d3e2d3)

  3. Not a lawyer type, but the second case sounds like some people in St. Paul in both the government and police department need to be held personally liable – both civilly and criminally.

    Maybe even include some folks at the DoJ for allowing St. Paul to be a lawless city. (aka a ‘Sanctuary City’ for illegal aliens.)

    Dilligas (cc8ddb)

  4. it’s kinda appropriate Mr. Bob inasmuch as for all we know illegal alien people are safer drivers than the average American, or safer drivers than notable American subpopulations

    no they shouldn’t be here driving but what we don’t know for sure from the anecdotal evidence is if the act of driving per se makes them more vile and noxious than simply breaking our immigration laws

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  5. Up to half of all cars in cities like Philadelphia are ungegistered. Driving without a license is commonplace. I suspect that many people don’t know one is required. But don’t get caught driving outside the city without a valid sticker.

    Documentation is for the sheep, not the wolves.

    A locksmith once told me that keys are for honest people.

    Amphipolis (e01538)

  6. Because ” real” Americans never cause accidents. Slight xenophobic flavor to the blog this morning. A little bitter for my taste.

    tye (57db6a)

  7. Agreed Bob.

    The people who have allowed an illegal alien to become a multiple offender like the one you noted and the one noted in St. Paul should be held personally liable. If the police in St. Paul let the man go without contacting the feds – then it is purely on them (and the ‘officials’ who pushed that policy). If they contacted the feds and the feds refused to act – then it is on them.

    If the people who allowed him back on the street are found liable – it’d be my opinion that they should have to pay not only the judgement against them, but all of the tax-funded expenses that may have been used to defend them as well.

    Unfortunately, it appears more and more that that is the only way the DoJ and current administration will act. You can’t let them pass the costs on to the taxpayers as it will be meaningless – and they’ll continue doing it. Once people see that they can be held PERSONALLY liable, that’s when it’ll start correcting.

    Dilligas (cc8ddb)

  8. And crappyfeet and tye chime in with their defenses of career criminals. Arguments from ignorance and ad hominems, guys? That’s all you got?

    If the government held illegals to the same standards they hold native-born Americans, these people would have been in prison years ago. Instead they’re given special privileges and infinite retries on their crimes — because anything else would be screamed at as “racist”.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  9. Dilligas — both the “sanctuary (for criminals) city” people and the illegals have to be held account. They all decided to ignore the law.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  10. __________________________________________

    Slight xenophobic flavor to the blog this morning. A little bitter for my taste.

    It’s amusing when people on the left love to sound so tolerant, so open-minded, so magnanimous about the “undocumented,” yet will ultimately avoid places that are becoming a bit too similar to, say, Mexico. They’re very similar to folks like the Obamas, who talk the talk (about the greatness of public schools), but won’t walk the walk—-ie, Barack and Michelle sent their 2 daughters to private schools in both Chicago and now DC; a good percentage of teachers in public schools in urban districts are similar to B and M.

    Always keep in mind that one does not have to be wealthy to be guilty of the two-faced, disingenuous, phony-baloney nature of “limousine liberalism.”

    Mark (fa03ef)

  11. Rob: I agree… the person who committed the act should be held accountable — was hoping that went without saying. Wanted to emphasis the people who tend to get overlooked who have negligently allowed the act to be more easily commited by that person in the first place.

    Just thinking outloud here, but some how I think I would be held personally liable if I knew someone was prone to commit an illegal act and I made it easier for them to do so… why should the official who did the same be exempt simply because they ‘work for the government’?

    Dilligas (cc8ddb)

  12. 10- you seem to lead on that you know everything about my life despite not having met me.

    tye (57db6a)

  13. 8- wait… a person who gets into a car accident is a career criminal?

    tye (57db6a)

  14. “…A little bitter for my taste….”

    And yet tye returns, again and again.

    Gosh, I wonder why?

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  15. Tye: a person who had been previously convicted of drunk driving, known to be driving without a license, and known to be in the country illegally – is making a pretty good case for themself. If they wanted to be law abiding, they would have self-deported (or have never entered in the first place) if they weren’t forcefully deported by our federal government.

    When he was convicted in 2001 as a drunk driver, he should have been deported then. Legal aliens and resident aliens face that potential penalty every day, so they generally make sure they comply with the law. The illegal alien, on the other hand, seems to be getting a pass on things that even citizens do not receive.

    Does this solve the problem of drunk drivers? Of course not, but it was one that could have been easily avoided.

    Dilligas (cc8ddb)

  16. What you don’t understand, if you don’t live in an area with majority illegal aliens, is that theirs is a separate society, with separate laws, customs and attitudes. The official policy is hands off, and the schools teach them any culture is wonderful, and so you perpetuate the bad (and good) of the failed state they came from. The day care owners were clearly free to run an operation in violation of health and safety standards, which do have a point sometimes.

    I was driving around L.A. one night and saw an ad on the side of a bus, in Spanish, reminding people that a red light means stop. You can mock WASP values, but they have produced an orderly society.

    Patricia (e1d89d)

  17. _________________________________________

    10- you seem to lead on that you know everything about my life despite not having met me.

    If not you in particular, than your type in general. In the category you can be lumped into, you’re pretty much 0 for 3:

    Investors.com, March 2012:
    Not exactly shocking news for those exposed to them for years, but the respected Pew Research Center has determined that political liberals are far less tolerant of opposing views than regular Americans.

    In a new study, the Pew Center for the Internet and American Life Project confirmed what most intelligent Americans had long sensed. That is, whenever they are challenged or confronted on the hollow falsity of their orthodoxy — such as, say, uniting diverse Americans — liberals tend to respond defensively with anger, even trying to shut off or silence critics.

    The new research found that instead of engaging in civil discourse or debate, fully 16% of liberals admitted to blocking, unfriending or overtly hiding someone on a social networking site because that person expressed views they disagreed with. That’s double the percentage of conservatives and more than twice the percentage of political moderates who behaved like that.

    The proportion jumps even higher when someone on a social site disagrees with a liberal’s post. Only 1% of moderates would block or shut out someone who dared to disagree with them, compared to 11% of liberals, whose rate was nearly three times that of conservatives.

    nytimes.com, Nicholas Kristof, December 2008:
    This holiday season is a time to examine who’s been naughty and who’s been nice, but I’m unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.

    Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

    Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

    Other research has reached similar conclusions. The “generosity index” from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

    “When I started doing research on charity,” Mr. Brooks wrote, “I expected to find that political liberals — who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did — would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views.”

    According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

    Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent.

    Dailycaller.com, March 2011:
    Social scientists usually measure traditional racism against African Americans by looking at the survey responses of white Americans only. Among whites in the latest General Social Survey (2008) [conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago], only 4.5% of small-government advocates express the view that “most Blacks/African-Americans have less in-born ability to learn,” compared to 12.3% of those who favor bigger government or take a middle position expressing this racist view.

    [A]mong whites, Republican advocates of smaller government are even less racist (1.3% believing that blacks have less in-born ability) than the rest of the general public (11.3% expressing racist views). Thus, in 2008 Republicans who believe that the government in Washington does too much have 10 times higher odds of not expressing racist views on the in-born ability question than the rest of the population (79-to-1 odds v. 7.9-to-1 odds).

    In 2008, only 5.4% of white conservative Republicans expressed racist views on the in-born ability question, compared to 10.3% of the rest of the white population. [T]his same pattern holds for white Democrats compared to white Republicans: in 2008 12.3% of white Democrats in the U.S. believed that African Americans were born with less ability, compared to only 6.6% of white Republicans.

    In sixteen surveys from 1977 through 2008, overall white Republicans were significantly less racist on the in-born ability question than white Democrats (13.3% to 17.3%), and white conservative Republicans were significantly less racist than other white Americans (11.7% to 14.7%)…

    [O]verall white Democrats were significantly more likely to support segregated neighborhoods than white Republicans (30.4% to 26.3%).

    ^ I do tend to be less irritated at liberals who are still rather young, certainly in their teenage or early-college years. But if you or any other person of the left is coming close to his or her, say, 40th birthday, and certainly has reached his 50s or beyond, then my astonishment and annoyance at such people really soars. It’s like dealing with an adult who never learned how to tie his shoelaces or is the proverbial sad sack still living in his mother’s basement.

    Mark (fa03ef)

  18. Well, now, if an illegal alien repeat offender driving drunk again on a suspended license kills an unemployed US natural born citizen in Arizona, gets arrested and can’t make bail, can he still vote absentee from his jail cell?

    ropelight (f75781)

  19. 16- is nobody here willing to step up and make a comment about that last sentence? You are all okay with that?

    tye (57db6a)

  20. 19. Uh, yeah, ok by me. Your point?

    Larry Geiger (9cfb28)

  21. Maybe people here aren’t okay with your dishonesty and trollery, tye.

    But then, you have to find something to feel good about, I’m sure. So battling on the internet is your version of macho.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  22. By the grace of God my son and his friend were not killed by the drunk, illegal immigrant who rear-ended them at a stop sign last year. The entire rear end was pushed up to the front seats of the 2 seat vehicle, the young men were save by the new tires that were in the trunk of the car.

    Within hours the hit and run driver was caught. The next day we were assured by the DA’s office that they would be prosecuting him. By that evening I was informed by a friend that the man was already being processed out of the country and would be on a bus the next morning. He was deported within 3 days…no criminal prosecution.

    THIS is how they can make claims like they did last week (?) that so many people are being deported without criminal convictions. It’s all so disgusting (this was in California’s Central Valley but could be almost anywhere in the U.S. any more)

    Kel (4dfe4e)

  23. here is a map of the states with the most traffic fatalities per 100,000 peoples (from here)

    here is a list of the states with the highest density of illegal alien peoples

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  24. Because ” real” Americans never cause accidents. Slight xenophobic flavor to the blog this morning. A little bitter for my taste.
    Comment by tye — 7/12/2012 @ 8:47 am

    – Controlling the borders and enforcing the law is an act of hatred, is it?

    Icy (3615bd)

  25. tye must be illegal himself… otherwise, what is he afraid of?

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  26. tye… bitter flavor to the blog about ILLEGAL immigrants causing deaths or drunk driving accidents? Absolutely I’m bitter about the situation I described and we all have the right to be bitter about it. The blog post was about illegal immigrants causing accidents, deaths, etc…. some after repeatedly being deported and most without being prosecuted. It wasn’t about the other injustices in which American citizens also cause repeated accidents, drunk driving deaths or injuries. That’s another subject.

    A CHP friend of ours said he has repeatedly arrested for drunk driving, one illegal immigrant at least 5 different times in 2 years. Every time he has been deported, not prosecuted, simply deported simply to return to do it again.

    Bitter wouldn’t even begin to cover it if my son and his friend had been killed.

    Kel (4dfe4e)

  27. feets, I think the point is that illegals do not obtain drivers licenses (something about not having the correct documents needed, I think) and therefore many of them that should not be driving ARE on our roadways.

    I’ve told this story before, but this seems like a good time to tell it again:
    I once got into an accident where I was cited for failing to yield while making a left turn. Just after the accident occurred the other driver got out of his car and jogged away from the scene, even though I was at fault! The cops picked him up about a mile down the road. His car was unregistered, there was an open container on the front seat, and he turned out to be an “undocumented immigrant”. The county attorney attempted to prosecute him for fleeing the scene of an accident; that went nowhere. While, technically, I was at fault, if he had not been there, here in this country — driving drunk — there would have been no accident. Oh, and did I mention that I was driving a company vehicle, and that I got fired as a result of being cited?
    Yeah.

    Icy (3615bd)

  28. Face it, tye supports the pro-crime Democrat agenda outlined on this blog over the past two days – voter fraud and criminal illegal aliens. His comments speak for themselves.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  29. illegals are pesky Mr. Icy they don’t get insurance and what have you

    but my feeling is that if I were an illegal alien I would drive very carefully and try and stay under the radar

    especially in Arizona

    maybe not so much in California though cause California hearts illegal aliens like they were fuzzy widdle bunnies

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  30. 28- yeah? Which comments prove that I’m “pro-crime”?

    tye (57db6a)

  31. aren’t you one of those voter fraud aficionados Mr. tye?

    if we all agree that illegal aliens should have drivers licenses to drive they should certainly also have to have them to vote don’t you think?

    What say you, Eric Holder?

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  32. Mr. Feets – In times like these, sometimes you just have to throw up your hands and say No More Hot Dogs.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  33. Republicans finally notice Illegal Immigration. Why didn’t you listen the Minutemen when the told you about this? Where were you for Border Agents Ramos and Compean?

    Oh Yeah, Bush was president. You do not care about the Victims. This is just away to get rid of the Democrat to get a Republican. Jamiel Shaw! Amy Kortland – where were you?

    Ophelia (b7f562)

  34. On April 15, 2005, Adkins was deliberately run over in his front yard by a teenager on an ATV. The perpetrator was apprehended by police (after running over another person a short distance down the road from Adkins’ house), and Adkins identified him in a picture the police showed him. Ten days later, on April 25, Adkins was found dead in his home.

    god bless america Mr. daley

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  35. Killed by SUV

    Everybody knows that the most dangerous part of a car is the nut that holds the wheel, er, I guess everyone except those at the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

    Years ago there was a website with a live webcam of a rifle, I don’t remember what but it was a military assault rifle-type. The caption kept track of how many hours the rifle had been under continuous surveillance without killing or hurting anyone.

    All humerous relief aside, I agree it would be great to have a little accountability from the city and the newspaper; such litigation would be justified.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  36. Hank Williams III epitaph for Hasil Adkins:
    “He’d out fight, out f*ck, out drink, and out sing the majority of musicians. He did it his own way. No other motherf*cker was talkin’ about cutting off heads and putting them on walls back in the fifties. And that’s way more punk rock than anything.”

    Was this a great country or what?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  37. yes Mr. daley I was unfamiliar with this hasil he is a very interesting guy… but to stay on topic, I was trying to find out if Mr. Hasil was hit by an illegal immigrant, but it’s hard to find out anything, probably cause the kid was 15… but I did find this hint that this wasn’t just a random teen-driven ATV attack

    Hasils Daughter

    Lewisburg, WV

    Feb 7, 2011

    Dad did [know] the boy, the boy came to dads wanting money for drugs, dad knew what he wanted the money for and dad told him no. the boy got really upset and chased around the yard, dad fell and the boy ran over him twice, and dad died from the injurys, but woohoo boone co. said. nothing really happened to the punk that did it, no one will tell me his name, im going to offer a reward for the boys name and where abouts, how does $5,000.00 sound???*

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  38. “Republicans finally notice Illegal Immigration.”

    Ophelia – Not familiar with this blog? Try again hunee.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  39. “probably cause the kid was 15″

    Mr. Feets – He might could have gotten money for his drugs to go vote illegally from the Democrats instead of running over Mr. Adkins, which Voter ID might could have helped with.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  40. in hindsight I’m sure he’s kicking himself Mr. daley

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  41. Mr. Feets – You can’t change the past.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  42. Illegal aliens are commiting quite a few crimes these days, driving without a real driver’s license, no insurance, no registration, working under a false social security number, income tax evasion….shall I continue?

    But we lack the will to deport them. Therefore, get used to it. The DC political class are creating a “new people” through mass immigration.

    rssg (8e6000)

  43. 28- yeah? Which comments prove that I’m “pro-crime”?Comment by tye — 7/12/2012 @ 11:30 am

    – Perhaps not so much “pro-crime” and more “anti-enforcement”.

    Icy (3615bd)

  44. What race are illegal aliens?

    JD (f4e1b6)

  45. No one race, JD. They have many different types and shapes of antennae.

    elissa (d64262)

  46. illegals are pesky Mr. Icy they don’t get insurance and what have you
    – Oh yeah, the guy didn’t have insurance either.

    but my feeling is that if I were an illegal alien I would drive very carefully and try and stay under the radar
    – That’s you. In real life it don’t happen that way.

    especially in Arizona
    – Last week a full-size truck flew past me doing 80 in a 55 zone, racing dangerously into the dirt and brush median in order to pass other cars; it was being pursued overhead by a Border Patrol helicopter. They stopped it wih a roadblock in front of a 300-space trailer park and a pair of 200-unit apartment complexes full of families with small children.

    Icy (3615bd)

  47. “– Perhaps not so much “pro-crime” and more “anti-enforcement”.”

    Icy – I would stick with my original characterization. If you are not against crime, that means you are for it, whether election and voter fraud or illegal immigration and crimes committed by people in this country against our law.

    It would be easier for tye to highlight his comments which he believes are anti-crime if he can find any.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  48. What race are illegal aliens?
    Comment by JD — 7/12/2012 @ 12:56 pm

    – In tyeland they are non-White Hispanic.

    Icy (3615bd)

  49. happyfeet,

    Let’s assume for the sake of argument that illegal immigrant motorists drive as safely as American-born and legal resident motorists. But how do you think those two groups compare when it comes to percentages who carry automobile insurance and the coverage amounts they carry?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  50. Elissa, that was racism directed at living beings that have antennae. I CONDEMN YOUR RACIST BELIEFS!

    reff (4dcda2)

  51. “What race are illegal aliens?”

    JD – Future Democrats?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  52. Future welfare slaves

    Icy (3615bd)

  53. “What race are illegal aliens?”

    it

    Sammy Finkelman (fd0eb9)

  54. Happyfeets #1…. The per capita rate of manslaughter cases for deported illegal immigrants is ZERO when compared to any other group. At least until they illegally return. Government policy should be to send every one they come across back to the home country that day.

    reff (4dcda2)

  55. Comment by Ophelia — 7/12/2012 @ 11:46

    Everything Ophelia was taught about the Minutemen/TEA Party/VRWC she learned from Olberdouche – which is manifested by her ignorance displayed above.

    AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92)

  56. how do you think those two groups compare when it comes to percentages who carry automobile insurance and the coverage amounts they carry?

    Yes! That is what I am wondering. If the problem maybe has more than one prong. We need to incentivize illegal aliens to get insurance while also incentivizing them to go away maybe. But if they’re inherently sucky drivers then maybe there’s just the latter prong.

    Plus there are probably more prongs I’m not even thinking of.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  57. Mr. reff I understand illegal immigrants are pesky and I agree the government shouldn’t be so lackadaisical about these things. But our government is not a particularly capable one with respect to finding workable solutions to chronic problems.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  58. Feets,
    Which is why it should be handled by the states.

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  59. our Harvard trash Chief Justice Mr. John Roberts says the constitution thing says it’s illegal and against God for states to do immigration stuff

    he makes stuff up sometimes though

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  60. An English immigrant owned a flower shop in town and was run over by a illegal alien. Dead..Crickets from the officials. Must be on a long donut break. Probably with sprinkles.

    mg (44de53)

  61. Illegal alien = Safety handbook unassimilated
    -Shouldn’t OSHA classify them a safety hazard?
    -In fact, since illegals are free range, OSHA should classify them as a workplace hazard so the tens of thousands of law abiding families of citizens who are killed or maimed by illegal aliens each year can receive workers compensation, yes?
    -Why does Obama hate white people that he wont let them collect workers compensation insurance for victim status from injuries by illegal aliens not assimilated to OSHA safety training? Raaaaacist.

    FeFe (c2547f)

  62. #19: I never have a problem with an absolute truth… unlike Leftists.

    SDN (4d6093)

  63. pesky is not the same as evil or malicious Mr. FeFe

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  64. Does anyone else here want to throw their hat in with the “boy I sure wish everyone was a WASP” lament from earlier? Popular sentiment around here, to be sure.

    tye (57db6a)

  65. Liar.

    JD (f4e1b6)

  66. DRJ,

    I noticed that the first 2 were driving company vehicles

    EricPWJohnson (c4c992)

  67. Diaz Chacon’s status didn’t play a role in Albuquerque’s decision to honor his bravery. Mayor Richard Berry declared Friday Antonio Diaz Chacon Day in Albuquerque and held an afternoon ceremony where he presented Diaz Chacon a Spanish language plaque recognizing his bravery in jumping in his pickup and chasing the suspect until he crashed into a light pole. Diaz Chacon then rescued the girl as the driver of the disabled van ran into the desert. The suspect was arrested later by police.*

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  68. “It is a real large happiness.”

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  69. Eric,

    Good point. It appears the employer didn’t follow state and federal law in the first story, and this article says the immigrant in the second story was test driving the truck without a license. It’s not clear if he was purchasing the truck or applying for a driving job, but it sounds like it may have been the latter.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  70. DRJ

    it also, to me, makes the stories even more tragic on soo many levels

    EricPWJohnson (c4c992)

  71. “What race are illegal aliens?”

    This is not racism – it’s geographicalism. The same thing without racism’s redeeming merit of being somewhat consonent with human feelings.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  72. If you don’t see the fallacy of this whole argument, you’ve really drunk the Kool Aid.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  73. Comment by happyfeet — 7/12/2012 @ 11:33 am

    if we all agree that illegal aliens should have drivers licenses to drive they should certainly also have to have them to vote don’t you think?

    What say you, Eric Holder?

    Well, you know Eric Holder says driver’s licenses shouldn’t be used as test for whether or not someone has a right to vote.

    The non-citizens who were brought here before the age of 16 and graduated from High School will of course get driver’s licenses, if they apply for 2 years worth of legality. Those people will probably have a special time limitation on their dirver’s license.

    While a state will keep records as to who is a citizen or not when getting the license citizenship is not usually put it on the license itself.

    And Holder will tell them, like he told Florida, not to use their own records of who was a citizen when they got their driver’s license to purge or check voting rolls because between the time they got the driver’s license and the time they want to register to vote people can become citizens.

    It’s also against federal law to purge or check a voting list within 60 days of an election.

    DHS will of course however not supply states with a list of naturalized citizens on the grounds the list is incomplete. Some people acquired citizenship through a parent’s naturalization etc..

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  74. Comment by Icy — 7/12/2012 @ 10:39 am

    While, technically, I was at fault, if he had not been there, here in this country — driving drunk — there would have been no accident.

    And if he hadn’t have been born, too.

    Or if one less car had been sold. You wouldn’t have needed to yield, because there would have been no car there!!

    On the other hand, with fewer people around, maybe the company would have needed fewer drivers.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  75. what does DHS actually do I wonder – you know – to help

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  76. “for all we know illegal alien people are safer drivers than the average American, or safer drivers than notable American subpopulations” Question: how many times have you seen someone driving the on the wrong side of the street? On a good day where I live, I don’t see any.

    Gulermo (621247)

  77. I observed a long time ago that illegals either have the best vision of any group or they simply don’t wear glasses. If you live in SoCal, the next time you observe the crew hanging out at Home Depot looking for day work, count the number wearing glasses. Somehow I doubt they are wearing contacts or have had lasik.

    Bad vision and driving without a license, what could go wrong?

    PC14 (87cbf8)

  78. I’m on ventura right now and everyone looks 5 by 5

    happyfeet (c16705)

  79. Comment by Kel — 7/12/2012 @ 10:36 am

    A CHP friend of ours said he has repeatedly arrested for drunk driving, one illegal immigrant at least 5 different times in 2 years. Every time he has been deported, not prosecuted, simply deported simply to return to do it again.

    This used to happen with very serious crimes, even murder,but they stopped it. But drunk driving is not considered a serious crime – little jail time, and of course there is suspension of license, classes to take to keep or get back a license.

    This doesn’t apply so they deport him instead, which is a more severe punishment.

    But he’s from Mexico and has strong ties to the United States. So he keeps coming back.

    He also having been deported more than once has no chance of ever becoming a legal immigrant.

    Bitter wouldn’t even begin to cover it if my son and his friend had been killed.

    Sammy Finkelman (fd0eb9)

  80. Bitter wouldn’t even begin to cover it if my son and his friend had been killed.

    Of course when someone gets killed, the punishment for drunk driving is higher

    Unless the drunk driver also gets killed, in which case the courts of the state of California or the United States no longer have any kind of jurisdiction.

    Sammy Finkelman (fd0eb9)

  81. Comment by PC14 — 7/12/2012 @ 5:19 pm

    I observed a long time ago that illegals either have the best vision of any group or they simply don’t wear glasses. If you live in SoCal, the next time you observe the crew hanging out at Home Depot looking for day work, count the number wearing glasses. Somehow I doubt they are wearing contacts or have had lasik.

    Where they grew up, they didn’t have doctors prescribing glasses for children. So they are not nearsighted. As everyone knows but medical professionals deny, poor vision is caused by wearing glasses.

    And if somebody is supposed to have the kind of vision where they cannot see the blackboard, that is what they will have, glasses or no glasses.

    Sammy Finkelman (fd0eb9)

  82. 81. Wow, Zen crazy, sort of like a topsey-turvey thing, eh?

    And if “everyone knows” then those OPdudes are all pretty good scammers as we can’t be blamed for ignorance.

    Anyway, so much for the carrots.

    PC14 (87cbf8)

  83. I have been in California since 1983. During that time I have driven more than 1,000,000 miles. I have also been rear-ended in my vehicles 14 times. Only one person who hit me was in the country legally. Two were European, three were Asian, eight were Hispanic and one was American. Only the American was insured. One pulled a gun on me when I tried to get his information. His car was totaled, yet he tried to drive away. He then ran off, was caught by the cops who turned him over to ICE who deported him without pressing charges. According to a friend in the BP, he was back in the country in time to go to work the next Monday.

    Now I carry a lot of insurance with a $0 deductible. It has proven to be worth the extra cost down here in San Diego County.

    I am 100% in favor of deporting every illegal alien on first contact with a mandatory stint of hard labor prior to deportation of any repeat offenders. If they have children that were born in America, they can either take them back home with them or give them up for adoption if they want them to grow up in America. If the child wants to return to America when they turn 18, that is fine as long as they renounce any other citizenship when they do so, are proficient in English and go through the normal naturalization process so the we can be sure they intend to assimilate.

    Am I a bigot? No, I just am tired of giving more benefits and rights to people whose first action on American soil is to violate our sovereignty. Come here Legally or don’t come at all.

    Jay H Curtis (804124)

  84. As everyone knows but medical professionals deny, poor vision is caused by wearing glasses.

    ZOMFGWTFBBQ

    JD (f4e1b6)

  85. OKay, I’ll take your bait, tye the troll.

    What’s wrong with the statement that WASPS have created an orderly society … other than citing the good coming from “dead white men” is a sin against PC?

    Patricia (e1d89d)

  86. Poor Vision

    According to the University of Illinois, individuals with poor vision who do not wear eyeglasses force their eyes to work harder to perceive the world around them. As people age, their eyes improve in strength until they reach an approximate age of 40. At this point, the eyes begin to weaken.

    Wearing Glasses

    When a person with poor vision begins wearing eyeglasses, they will experience the world around them in a new light. After adapting to this new and clear vision, taking off the glasses will create the impression that the eyes have gotten worse.

    Perception

    Eyeglasses simply change what the wearer’s perception. After becoming accustomed to clear vision, the eye’s natural vision will seem much worse than it had before. According to the University of Illinois, eyeglasses do not make the eyes weaker.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  87. ________________________________________

    Oh Yeah, Bush was president. You do not care about the Victims.

    Bush was very squishy about certain socio-cultural issues, pretty much reflected in his belief that conservatism somehow needed to be attached to the word “compassionate.”

    I’ve noted previously that almost every foolish decision or policy enacted by Republican presidents over the past several decades — including Hoover, Nixon, Reagan and the 2 Bushes — can be traced to when left-leaning sentiments (which perhaps almost every human has a bit of) got the better of them.

    Mark (f37fee)

  88. _________________________________________

    This is not racism – it’s geographicalism.

    If Mexico, in particular, were a stable, prosperous society, I do admit that my perceptions of the issue of illegal immigration would be different. If high percentages of children of Latino descent living in the US — generation after generation — were doing well academically, I do admit that, again, my perceptions of the issue of illegal immigration would be different.

    I’d still believe that the rule of law should be respected, and that following the proper route of LEGAL immigration always needs to be supported and upheld. But when I see the rampant mediocrity and dysfunction that impacts uncomfortably large portions of nations like Mexico (eg, the almost Dark-Ages type of grisly, ruthless murders that have been occurring there), and far too large a part of the communities in this country that have close ties to societies like that, that makes me go “oh-oh, we’ve gotta problem—and it probably won’t get any better in the future.”

    What’s wrong with the statement that WASPS have created an orderly society

    I have to disagree with citing the role of the “WASP” populace since it can be generalized to include any person (of white, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant background) who’s of the left. IOW, a WASP who’s a modern-day, garden-variety liberal is no better at creating and sustaining a stable society (definitely in the context of today’s world and era) than anyone else. The decline of Western Europe and growing facets of North America exemplifies that.

    Mark (f37fee)

  89. True, Mark, but I was referring to the Founders. Anyone today who holds these values and lives them can count themselves as their heirs.

    Patricia (e1d89d)

  90. I just Googled “Illegals” and “Accidents” and one of the sites that came up noted something interesting. One of the difficulties in finding out how many accidents are caused by illegals, is that they often flee the scene of an accident. Another problem, may simply be that whatever driving skills the illegal has, may have been acquired in a situation where they have far fewer cars and far worse roads. Fewer cars making you less aware and lousy roads causing you watch your driving speed.

    Mike Giles (d87ccb)

  91. > … the person who committed the act should be held accountable

    You wouldn’t have to worry about holding the ILLEGAL ALIEN accountable if he wasn’t in the country in the first place or if he was deported the first time the state got their hands on him.

    It doesn’t matter if illegals are more or less dangerous drivers than legals. If they’re not here they kill NOBODY.

    Arthur (9c70a1)

  92. I read about this death of a Sheriff’s Dispatcher caused by an “unlicensed driver” yesterday in Riverside County. When the majority the 80+ commenters questioned about his immigration status, the reporter answered a few minutes ago,

    Brian Rokos · Public safety reporter for western Riverside County at Press-Enterprise
    The CHP told me that they would not be checking his immigration status. Also, he has never held a California driver’s license.

    Dana (292dcf)

  93. here is a list of …

    And HERE, HF, is my great big stinking pile of:

    ——————————–
    I Don’t Give A Fuck.
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    They’re illegal. If they weren’t here, that’s ONE less crime/accident/whatever that wouldn’t have happened.

    ======================
    . . . . .This is tautological. . . . . .
    ======================

    Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and CRIS Diagnostic Expert (8e2a3d)

  94. We send them illegal guns. They send us unlicensed drivers. It helps balance the casualty lists.

    Arctic Fox (518648)

  95. The Media manufactures a hate crime against a black teen and it’s national news for weeks.

    None of these illegal alien stories qualify for national coverage.

    Which is why I care not one bit about “national news.”

    Amphipolis (e01538)


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