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7/9/2012

CNN Poll: Public Approves of Holder Contempt Vote

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:25 am



53% in favor and only 1/3 against:

According to a CNN/ORC International survey released Monday morning, 53% of people questioned say they approve of the House vote a week and a half ago to hold the attorney general in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over documents related to a controversial program called Operation Fast and Furious, with one in three saying they disapprove of the move and 13% unsure.

Of course, a majority also thinks that Republicans are doing this for partisan reasons. That’s OK if they still think it’s the right thing to do.

57 Responses to “CNN Poll: Public Approves of Holder Contempt Vote”

  1. Its one of the puzzling things about the Obama administration, during the campaign he and his handlers seemed to have good political instincts. But since inauguration, they seem to continually make “off” political judgements. They keep trying to create issues that backfire upon them, and they keep creating issues that they shouldn’t like this contempt vote. It only raises the profile of a scandal that hurts them.

    There is something about actually running the country, and one’s own political reputation, that Obama and his advisers haven’t gotten after four years of experience.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2. This is clearly Bush’s fault.

    JD (318f81)

  3. These Fast and Furious type programs date back to 1996. It’s all Bill Clinton’s fault.

    Neo (d1c681)

  4. And this is in spite of a total media blackout except for Atkisson, and the ‘look squirrel’ of Eban, and co,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  5. 69% polled in opposition to the use of executive privilege.

    JD (318f81)

  6. Racists!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  7. “There is something about actually running the country, and one’s own political reputation, that Obama and his advisers haven’t gotten after four years of experience.”

    They really have no idea how to deal with the opposition.

    spointer (5d3910)

  8. I think the best way to deal with the opposition is to post pictures of their house, hide behind anonymizers, and multiple names. Right, imdw/spointer?

    JD (318f81)

  9. Actually he has the Apollo Alliance, write the stimulus, and large parts of ACA, then Pelosi and co, front it, they didn’t know, or didn’t care.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  10. Where “opposition” means 56% of the country. Racists.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  11. “They really have no idea how to deal with the opposition.”

    If they were doing an effective job running the country, the opposition would take care of itself. Instead see results of 2010 interim elections.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  12. That’s the problem with their naivete — they think governing is enough to win elections. Now I agree — you have to do policy when you can. But you also have to be much more focused, like the GOP is. Plus people like to watch Obama spank the GOP — it’s why they liked him so much in 08!

    spointer (398361)

  13. It’s always weird how imdw socks just straight up ignore someone noting how weird and thuggish it is to post a picture of someone’s home.

    It’s like it’s a sociopath or something.

    Plus people like to watch Obama spank the GOP

    Such weak trolling. Don’t you realize this fer left politicization instinct is Obama’s greatest failure? As Daleyrocks noted, the 2010 elections should have been a wakeup call for democrats that people did not actually like watching Obama ‘spank’ those who don’t agree with him (And a majority disagree with Obama on his health care plan, spending, and his corruption).

    It does frustrate the right, but if you’re cheering this, it’s a sign of immaturity.

    George W Bush won an outright majority reelection, something that hadn’t happened since Ronald Reagan. Why? Because he did not make a show of ‘spanking’ the other side. Why did Clinton, Carter, and Obama failed where George W Bush succeeded?

    You’ll have plenty of time to ask yourself this in November.

    Dustin (330eed)

  14. spointer has a rich fantasy life.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  15. Passing what at its core a few years ago was the GOP health care plan does not count as “spanking” the GOP.

    spointer (398361)

  16. Comment by SPQR — 7/9/2012 @ 7:32 am

    they keep creating issues that they shouldn’t like this contempt vote. It only raises the profile of a scandal that hurts them.

    The truth about the scandal might hurt them even more. That’s the most probable possibility, isn’t it?

    The fact of the matter is, first of all, they lied to Congress. At a minimum, some people’s jobs might be at stake.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  17. When will Obama and Holder hire Brett Kimberlin as their (il)legal defense coordinator? Kimberlin: “You can’t ask for documents! That Harassing my client!”

    PCD (1d8b6d)

  18. I know it’s off topic, but yeah. How dare a swatting victim ask the deranged guy waging nonstop and ridiculous lawfare against him if he has anything to do with the crime! It’s harassment!

    Kinda like Mitt Romney’s donors pouring so much into the effort to beat Obama. Why that’s not fair to Obama! Not fair!

    Dustin (330eed)

  19. “Passing what at its core a few years ago was the GOP health care plan does not count as “spanking” the GOP.”

    spointer – How is this DNC talking point working out? Not well it seems.

    Curious, I don’t seem to remember Obama selling Obamacare with this message or giving credit to the GOP, who were excluded from the drafting, when it was passed.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  20. 17- incomprehensible

    tye (12df52)

  21. Well that was Lanny Davis, now out of Govt, and Lanny Breuer, now running the Criminal Div at DOJ, during the Clinton years.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  22. “Curious, I don’t seem to remember Obama selling Obamacare with this message or giving credit to the GOP, who were excluded from the drafting, when it was passed.”

    Excluded? Exchanges didn’t come from the left, you know. But as to credit, in his health care speech to Congress he said the plan had ideas from both sides.

    spointer (398361)

  23. How did CNN even find anyone familiar with fast and furious?
    They certainly did not poll their own viewers

    joe (a00dc1)

  24. “Do you think congressional Republicans are investigating Holder and Operation Fast and Furious
    mostly because they have real ethical concerns about the way the matter was handled, or mostly
    because they want to gain political advantage?”

    This is a loaded question –

    joe (a00dc1)

  25. _______________________________________________

    hypocritical-libs-freak-out-about-rich-snooty-beautiful-people-at-romney-fundraiser/

    I was talking to a person of the left several months ago, mentioning the huge gobs of money that Wall Street firms gave to Obama in 2008, and were still giving to him (at least until not too long ago), and she refused to believe it.

    This liberal, btw, is well past her teenage or college years, so she can’t even use the excuse that her naivete (ie, clueless leftism) is due to her youth.

    I can stomach “progressives” when they’re rather young, but when they’re getting into their mid-life years and yet remain wedded to the left, I theorize a part of their brain must be innately defective. It’s like when God (or, to be politically correct, “Gaia”) was handing out common sense, X percentage of the population instead got a big cow pie.

    Mark (c417dc)

  26. Excluded? Exchanges didn’t come from the left, you know. But as to credit, in his health care speech to Congress he said the plan had ideas from both sides.

    Comment by spointer — 7/9/2012 @ 9:18 am

    Yep, you’re exactly right. He did this in order to be able to try and lay the blame on the GOP also. And so he could try to claim it was a bi-partisan bill.

    peedoffamerican (606d27)

  27. “And so he could try to claim it was a bi-partisan bill.”

    poa – That didn’t work out to well, did it, as spointer refuses to acknowledge?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  28. “But as to credit, in his health care speech to Congress he said the plan had ideas from both sides.”

    spointer – If nobody knew what was in it, how could anybody verify Obama’s claims? Typical BS from the preezy.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  29. Daley,

    Nope it didn’t, especially after every republican voted against it. And also since they were excluded from the meetings for its drafting.

    peedoffamerican (606d27)

  30. poa – Were the driving the car into the ditch speeches about health care or something else?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  31. spointer, like the Obama administration, doesn’t want to discuss the actual topic of this thread.

    SPQR (3f3342)

  32. “Yep, you’re exactly right. He did this in order to be able to try and lay the blame on the GOP also. And so he could try to claim it was a bi-partisan bill.”

    And I agree this sort of thing doesn’t work. There’s no compromising with the GOP. They’ve move the goalpost on healthcare for decades and there’s no reason to think they’d change now.

    spointer (398361)

  33. Spointer/imdw – did you come up with the idea of posting links to Patterico’s house, or did your buddies teach you that? Why did you switch from Sheldon to spointer?

    JD (318f81)

  34. ==spointer, like the Obama administration, doesn’t want to discuss the actual topic of this thread==

    I noticed this emerging trend, too, SPQR. It seems to happen a lot when the subject of Fast and Furious comes up. For some reason the intricacies of F&F really make some people on the left very very nervous. They obviously do not want the voting public to talk about it or hear about it. Psychologists and psychiatrists have interesting theories about why this sort of avoidance activity occurs, and the emotional energy used to try to bury uncomfortable secrets is well known to be toxic– both for individuals and nations. The Obama administration is fooling no one, and the sooner the whole truth comes out with respect to Fast and Furious and the DOJ, the better it will be for everybody.

    elissa (3b7aa5)

  35. 17. Comment by PCD — 7/9/2012 @ 8:38 am

    When will Obama and Holder hire Brett Kimberlin as their (il)legal defense coordinator? Kimberlin: “You can’t ask for documents! That Harassing my client!”

    What Kimberlin does is for the fringes, not the majority of the population.

    But Kimberlin also is closer to Bill Clinton than Obama.

    1) John Podesta was the fourth and final White House Chief of Staff under President Bill Clinton, from 1998 until 2001.

    2) He is the former president and now Chair and Counselor of the Center for American Progress.
    (Wikipedia – this is sort of thing that is verifiable)

    3) ThinkProgress.org was a project of the Center for American Progress

    http://thinkprogress.org/about/?mobile=nc

    4) ThinkProgress went to the defense of Brett Kimberlin:

    There’s a reference there to a Patterico post:

    https://patterico.com/2011/02/14/think-progress-makes-a-martyr-out-of-brad-friedman-while-censoring-any-mention-of-brett-kimberlin/

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  36. Elissa – They routinely prove JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls, and the 2nd Restatement of same.

    JD (318f81)

  37. And I agree this sort of thing doesn’t work. There’s no compromising with the GOP. They’ve move the goalpost on healthcare for decades and there’s no reason to think they’d change now.

    Comment by spointer — 7/9/2012 @ 10:09 am

    Then why did you bring it up?

    No the GOP hasn’t moved the goalpost, they have always said that it isn’t the place of the Federal Govt. to intervene in private enterprise in what is essentially intrastate commerce, not interstate commerce. After all, you cannot buy health insurance across state lines, it is totally regulated by the individual states themselves.

    Also, BTW, healthcare does not equal health insurance. That’s the stoopid talking point you libturds keep pushin’.

    peedoffamerican (606d27)

  38. Question:

    Does dumberer than a sack of Andrews ring a bell?

    peedoffamerican (606d27)

  39. “spointer, like the Obama administration, doesn’t want to discuss the actual topic of this thread.”

    SPQR – Congressional oversight of a multi-departmental government program reporting to the DOJ designed to lead directly to murder and mayhem in the U.S. and Mexico on the surface seems like a legitimate target for inquiry, but perhaps that is what Democrats and the liberal media are going to such great lengths to obfuscate the true details and consequences of the operation. YMMV.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  40. spointer,tye,and others are more than willing to be called “dumb”, “shills”, “stupid”, “trolls”, and any number of other insults so long as they can successfully distract a thread from Fast and Furious, the jobs numbers, etc. They are happy to, even anxious to, draw this fire if they see evidence that the overall “purpose” of their “mission” is succeeding as it all too often does. It makes them feel noble.

    elissa (3b7aa5)

  41. “designed to lead directly to murder and mayhem in the U.S. and Mexico”

    Hasn’t even Issa backed off from this?

    spointer (398361)

  42. The most transparent administration in history has been an absolute model of sharing information with Congress, the public and other oversight bodies.

    Just start with the DOJ coming clean about its activities in withdrawing the default judgement it obtained against the New Black Panther Party in 2009. Then there was Inspectorgeneralgate the same year. The administration was caught rigging the science supporting the offshore drilling ban after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill and held in contempt by a New Orleans Judge.

    The list of questionable behavior just goes on and on and on and on…………

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  43. Maybe imdw can explain to us the legitimate law enforcement purpose of pushing the guns across the border and not even attempting to track them?

    JD (318f81)

  44. “Hasn’t even Issa backed off from this?”

    spointer – The contempt citation relates to what happened to the production of documents relating to the change in the DOJ’s position regarding the program between February 2011 and December (November?) when the DOJ withdrew its February letter saying there was no gunwalking as innaccurate. Nothing in the underlying program changed.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  45. “Hasn’t even Issa backed off from this?”

    spointer – Do you think the DOJ believe the drug cartels intended to use the smuggled weapons merely for innocent backyard target practice, or as they said, intended to track the weapons as recovered at CRIME SCENES back through the supply chain to the extent they could?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  46. elissa has the trolls pegged.

    The point is to stir up reactions so that conservatives do not better discuss and organize corruption.

    Dustin (330eed)

  47. LOL @ my typo.

    I meant ‘discuss corruption and get organized’

    Dustin (330eed)

  48. 35. I got the reference to the February 14, 2011 Patterico post about the connection between the Center for American Progress and something Kimberlin is (semi-secretly) connected to, through a post on a web site that Google turned up:

    http://thepowersthatbeat.blogspot.com/2012/07/as-hacked-chamberleaks-emails-break.html?zx=95d7389f29d613f1

    This appears to be a copy of an earlier post somewhere and I turned it up:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2011/02/14/As-Hacked-ChamberLeaks-Emails-Break–Left-Scrambles-to-Hide-Ties-to-Domestic-Terrorist

    This is probably the same Liberty Chick article on Breitbart.com that Patterico mentioned in that Feb 14, 2011 post.

    The link no longer works, probably because the Breitbart website was completely revamped early this year. But you can still find old Brietbart articles using Google if you know or can find the title or other key words.

    The powersthatbeat post was missing some picture or video links, but even the Breitbart website post is missing some of the links it used to have.

    Click to enlargen)

    There’s nothing there.

    The missing links are probably only to Breitbart site links.

    Links to sites off Breitbart like Forbes are still there and also at thepowersthatbeat.blogspot.com

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  49. imdw/spointer – Why didn’t the DOJ inform our Mexican allies the Fast & Furious program was underway?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  50. Never mind. I notice he was peddling that conspiracy theory to the NRA.

    spointer (398361)

  51. Comment by elissa — 7/9/2012 @ 10:29 am

    and the sooner the whole truth comes out with respect to Fast and Furious and the DOJ, the better it will be for everybody.

    Not everybody. Some people could go to jail. Some people involved may know other things that could impact on some other people who are now protecting them.

    I’ve always thought, since I heard of it, that this involved bribery of people in law enforcement.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  52. Sorry – didn’t end the italics.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  53. “Never mind. I notice he was peddling that conspiracy theory to the NRA.”

    imdw/spointer – No, one theory floating around was that arming Mexican gun cartels was a way to support gun control efforts in the U.S. given all the gun control zealots in the Obama Administration, the busting of Obama, Clinton and Holder for the use of false statistics over the recovery of U.S. guns in Mexico and the lack of coherent explanation from the DOJ for the design of such a felony stupid program as Fast & Furious, which continues to this date.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  54. HOLDER LIED, PEOPLE DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  55. Passing what at its core a few years ago was the GOP health care plan does not count as “spanking” the GOP.

    Comment by spointer — 7/9/2012 @ 8:29 am

    The left seems eager to claim the ACA / mandates were a GOP idea – true it was – but they forget that the idea was floated as an idea that would be less destructive to health care than Hillarycare. The second point is that the concept of the mandate was to ensure everyone paid a reasonable share of their health care costs. It never was a plan to make a drastic shift of paying health care costs to the young and healthy

    joe (a00dc1)

  56. Massachusetts-born Denise Rich, who paid President Clinton to pardon her ex-husband, Marc Rich (formerly of the FBI’s ten most-wanted list), has renounced her U.S. citizenship. (Here’s the most recent list of people who have chosen to expatriate; she’s listed under her maiden name of Eisenberg.)

    The Marc Rich pardon was Eric Holder’s own handiwork during the Clinton administration. He’s the bag man for both the Clinton’s and the Obama’s.

    SPQR (26be8b)


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