Patterico's Pontifications

7/8/2012

Harassment, July 6 and 7, 2012

Filed under: Brett Kimberlin,General,Neal Rauhauser — Patterico @ 1:12 am

Brett Kimberlin and Neal Rauhauser supporter OccupyRebellion brings family into it:


The repeated references to “Jay” are to a tweeter and blogger who has alleged that Neal Rauhauser owes tens of thousands of dollars in child support. I have not linked those pieces on this blog, but apparently those pieces are my fault anyway, such that OccupyRebellion feels justified in threatening my kids.

Oh, and then we have this, from “true conservative” Brooks Bayne:


Unclear whether he is accusing me of being the SWATter, or simply mocking the fact that I was SWATted — an action that could have gotten me killed. Either way, it’s despicable. But despicable behavior is this guy’s stock in trade as of late.

Weird that much of the harassment and defamation I get these days is from this guy — who claims he’s on the right.

74 Comments

  1. I said “claims.”

    I have no idea whatsoever what his actual deal is.

    All I know is that tons of people are writing me telling me he has zero credibility.

    Comment by Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 1:13 am

  2. i’d say that anyone who threatens a man’s children has a lot bigger problem than their credibility, but that’s just me.

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 7/8/2012 @ 1:53 am

  3. Wow, these people are pathetic.
    I wish you could end this.

    Comment by mg (44de53) — 7/8/2012 @ 3:02 am

  4. Brooks Bayne has all the credibility of Perez Hilton. His website The Trenches is just an online version of the National Enquirer.

    Jay from above has actually taken the time to parody every article from the Trenches

    http://dabenches.wordpress.com/

    Comment by Dustyn H (2aef62) — 7/8/2012 @ 4:44 am

  5. Logic and intelligence are obviously not weapons in OccupyRebellion’s arsenal.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 5:55 am

  6. Jamin Bates has no credibility. He was exposed as someone who wants to destroy Andrew Breitbart’s legacy. And his cohort Lee Stranahan is either working with him or too stupid to know it. Jamin Bates also admits to working with Mandy Nagy Phillips. http://thetrenches.us/2012/07/jay-batman-aka-momus1978-that-entire-breitbart-crew-is-going-to-get-raked-over-the-coals/

    Comment by Thor's Hammer (0b3003) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:25 am

  7. Occupy operating on the “two wrongs make it, uh — he did it first!” theory.

    Comment by Icy (534d91) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:43 am

  8. What is it about this topic, and related topics, that brings out the fakes, unsavory characters, etc? BB, Lemen, too many to keep track of

    Comment by JD (f4e1b6) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:52 am

  9. I’m thinking Thor’s Hammer is good ole Seth. He has been using the name Jamin Bates lately to describe momus1978 over twitter.

    I think I’ll just stick to the ‘Always trust Patterico’ It’s a lot less confusing that way.

    Comment by Dustyn H (2aef62) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:08 am

  10. Well that was a trip to the Underverse, I didn’t relish.

    Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:10 am

  11. Erp. Correection and apology to Seth. it’s Brooks Bayne who has been using Jamin Bates. Seth likes to call him batman.

    So confusing

    Comment by Dustyn H (2aef62) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:11 am

  12. It is confusing, Dustyn, but what really matters is that there are only a few folks who have behaved with consistency and honesty throughout this mess. You hear fewer novel conspiracy theories if you only rely on the trustworthy, but that’s not really a problem.

    Some are operating out of a desire to hate and harm, some are operating out of a desire to communicate the truth and petition for justice. It’s not confusing to figure out which category each sock and person fits into, in my opinion.

    Comment by Dustin (330eed) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:16 am

  13. Since when is trying to collect child support from an adult harassing a child?

    I would encourage you to read The Trenches blog entry about Jay Batman. Mr. Batman comes off looking okay, and Mr. Bayne looks like an a–hole, both in the DMs and for the fact that he published the DMs.

    The whole “coals” comment is taken out of context by BrooksBayne, to make it look like Jay Batman hates the Breitbart crew and has vowed to ruin them. In fact, what Mr. Batman said is that he suspects the Breitbart crew, and IF he can find evidence backing up his suspicions, he will rake them over the coals. That’s very different from simply vowing to rake them over the coals no matter what.

    BrooksBayne takes away that context in order to paint Mr. Batman as a hypocrite for continuing to work with people from the Breitbart group. But it’s not hypocrisy to work with people who haven’t proven themselves to be bad people.

    Brooks is sad that Mr. Batman won’t join him in battling the “leftists” (former leftists, moderates and former moderates) in the Breitbart crew. Brooks wants people to join in Brooks-centered drama. As far as I can tell, that’s the only reason why he picks fights with people on the right. Nothing burns up BrooksBayne more than knowing he’s not at the center of the whole Brett Kimberlin/Neal Rauhauser thing.

    Comment by Daryl Herbert (9eba77) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:30 am

  14. Dustin: Agreed. By confusing I mean following every thing that is being written. I know which articles I trust completely and which I discount completely. I can also tell those that are writing things strictly to try to keep themselves relevant. The conspiracy theories that are appearing are the funniest part of this. Trying to figure out how someone could come up with that claptrap, let alone believe it makes you wonder about peoples mental condition.

    Comment by Dustyn H (2aef62) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:30 am

  15. Oh wow, there are crazy people on the web. Who knew?

    Comment by Fred Z (714122) — 7/8/2012 @ 9:05 am

  16. I noted that Stacy McCain linked to a dubious BrooksBayne piece, which when I made a criticism of it evoked a case of the insane from Bayne.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 7/8/2012 @ 9:32 am

  17. I noted that Stacy McCain linked to a dubious BrooksBayne piece, which when I made a criticism of it evoked a case of the insane from Bayne.

    Comment by SPQR

    Yes, I saw that, too. It did in whatever credibility I’d given Bayne in the past, which wasn’t much.

    Weird stuff.

    Comment by Dianna (f12db5) — 7/8/2012 @ 9:42 am

  18. I just started following all of this towards the very end of May and it is a long and confusing story. In fact I’m just now getting a bit of a handle on the players and events and what I now know absolutely infuriates and repels me.

    Up until a few days ago all I did was read and follow a whole lot of links to try to get the history of this. I also went so far as to make a small comment or two at Allergic to Bull. Then I replied to a tweet from @OccupyRebellion to @AaronWorthy with a question, about allegations against John Norton, couched in plain ordinary nonthreatening language.

    JH ‏@GrammieJD

    @OccupyRebellion @AaronWorthing Pic fleeing home R driving on public st? Based on testimony R allegations, which R not proof?

    That got me a barrage of replies that included addressing me as “WHORE” and threatening/harassing/annoying, language I learned from Brett Kimberlin via his addiction to accusing the world of such, “how about we all go to YOUR pisshole & just “drive by on a public street”?”

    At first I was a bit concerned; and reasonably so considering that #BrettKimberlin is a convicted terrorist, drug dealer, perjurer and possibly a child molester and murderer. That is quite enough to give any honest citizen pause.

    My second reaction was more in keeping with my personality. How dare those slimy creeps try to bully me into silence. On a one to one basis there is no doubt that they are definitely more vicious and not beholden to the laws of our nation or plain common decency.

    But I’m not in a one to one situation with them. I am one of many and the more of us there are the less their immoral criminal tactics come into play.

    I do have one request. I still don’t quite understand what role Anthony Weiner and Seth Allen played in all this. Can someone point me in the right direction to find that info. I really didn’t follow Weiner’s story closely and only know the bare bones of it.

    Comment by Grammie (1dc12d) — 7/8/2012 @ 9:44 am

  19. Grammie – Anthony Weiner had poor dic pic management skills and it led to his resignation from Congress. Insane Weiner Truthers such as OccupyRebellion believe his resignation was all part of a vast right wing conspiracy in spite of Weiner’s confessions. That is how stupid and fact free their allegations are.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 9:51 am

  20. What doesn’t make sense to me is all the public back and forth on twitter. At least it doesn’t yet. Can’t quite make out if I am seeing personality quirks or if there is some method to the madness.

    So far it looks to me like a bunch of garden club ladies in a huge row over who said what to whom and when and who dissed whom and a lot of twisting of what each other say, etc.

    A couple of things I have learned in my life:

    1. People who are at the extremes of any ideology, be it political, technical, whatever, tend to exhibit some of the same personality traits regardless of which side they are on. “True” conservatives seem to exhibit some of the same traits as “true” liberals or “true” anything. It is basically the same traits as “fundamentalists” of any sort. Heresy is not tolerated and their “truth” is absolute. “Echo chambers” are the only tolerable sort of venue.

    2. Any time you get a group of smart people together, unless there is some overriding common external threat (such as with the Manhattan Project), it doesn’t take long for the knives to come out and for them to start stabbing each other in the back in order to advance themselves by taking down the others they see as “competition”.

    Comment by crosspatch (6adcc9) — 7/8/2012 @ 10:13 am

  21. As far as I can find out about Seth:

    He is a lefty blogger who first pointed out that Kimberlin was a convicted terrorist. He did not think that was kosher being in charge of a non-profit. So he blogged about it. BK sued him. He started receiving some pro bono help from Aaron after he had already allowed a default judgement to be entered against him. He now holds a grudge against Aaron, Patterico, et al. because he thinks they did not do enough for him, and they do not give him all the credit for stories about Kimberlin. He likes to tweet about how this is all a conspiracy now and he was duped.

    Comment by Dustyn H (2aef62) — 7/8/2012 @ 10:15 am

  22. crosspatch:

    Those both seem like good lessons. I assume that #2 is not intended to put any blame on me just because Brooks Bayne started attacking me.

    Comment by Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 12:23 pm

  23. I assume that #2 is not intended to put any blame on me just because Brooks Bayne started attacking me.

    Absolutely not. It is more of a general case. For example, look at an academic department of a major university. You have various professors slipping little knives in the backs of their “competition” via criticisms, etc.

    It wasn’t meant at any particular individual, it was meant in a very general sense. When you have a bunch of smart people in a group with other very smart people, it becomes difficult to rise above the others. Cream doesn’t rise above cream. So the way they get ahead is to damage others around them. At that stage it becomes easier to send others down than to rise above them.

    Comment by crosspatch (6adcc9) — 7/8/2012 @ 12:44 pm

  24. And example would be two prima donnas … Patton and Montgomery or Edison and Westinghouse or Jefferson and Adams.

    Comment by crosspatch (6adcc9) — 7/8/2012 @ 12:50 pm

  25. My name is Jay Batman, and I write on Screed of Momus. Everything I’ve written there about Neal is sourced from divorce papers, transcripts of the proceedings, protection orders, incident reports, and interviews with multiple people from his past who all say the same thing, with only one person saying anything different: that Neal Rauhauser is a dangerous man with a history of insane outbursts. I didn’t rely on the material from Twittergate, or screenshots taken by other people. I did the work to examine his life from the beginning, both to clarify how he became what he is today and to differentiate my coverage from that of others. Brooks Bayne informed me during our first phone call that he had hacked emails showing Mandy Nagy colluding with Neal Rauhauser. Those emails were to be published shortly on The Trenches, only they never were because Brooks kept making excuses about his timeline. I came to believe that Brooks was lying, and I called him out on it and challenged him to put up or shut up. He didn’t. He did go back in his feeds and delete every tweet that he’d made about those emails. It didn’t work because multiple people recalled seeing it, and people called him on last night in depth. He danced, he hemmed, he hawed, and he admitted to lying to a person he was working with on this story about those emails. I don’t make it up as I go along. I do the work to document what I say, and to have a reasonable basis for what I allege if I don’t have total documentation. I don’t really care about credit. I encouraged Brooks to publish the emails for two weeks, not because it benefited me or my site in any way, but because if those emails existed they were extremely significant. This has nothing to do with cream damaging cream, because Brooks lied in his articles about Lee Stranahan, he lied about what Neal Rauhauser actually said in his communication with the source Brooks refers to as Cream Throat (yes, Cream Throat in the tags underneath the article) and he lied about telling me that he had Nagy’s hacked emails. I confronted him head on with a parody site after multiple pleas for civility failed. His own people scolded him on his site for his behavior. Today, he’s nothing. He has little if any visible support left, and he’s the only one writing on the Trenches for the last two days. His sole commenter? Mike Stack, a convicted drunk driver and financial wreck whose explanation of his role in Weinergate strains credulity. That’s the point of what I did. After the initial outrage settled down, and people took a look at what I was saying, it because apparent that I was telling the truth. My story has never wavered. We don’t need a guy who is that careless with his assertions and his reporting damaging the credibility of everyone else. We certainly don’t need a scattershot focus on everyone Brooks doesn’t like on a personal level, like Matt Edelstein or Lee Stranahan. If we get Neal, that’s the first domino in the sequence. Work the story, break the revelations, and be careful in what you say and make sure you have the documentation to prove it. If we do this right, the media will have to start covering it. It’s a story that leads from non-profits using their donations for tortious and arguably criminal acts to law firms and progressive advocacy groups, but Neal is the weak link with his child support. He’s the one we can knock down and start the process with. It’s simple strategy. Ranting about Twittergate and fighting over credit has already been done. It’s time to renew our focus and go forward to blow this story wide open.

    Comment by Jay Batman (2fb5e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 1:39 pm

  26. He is a lefty blogger who first pointed out that Kimberlin was a convicted terrorist. He did not think that was kosher being in charge of a non-profit. So he blogged about it. BK sued him. He started receiving some pro bono help from Aaron after he had already allowed a default judgement to be entered against him. He now holds a grudge against Aaron, Patterico, et al. because he thinks they did not do enough for him, and they do not give him all the credit for stories about Kimberlin. He likes to tweet about how this is all a conspiracy now and he was duped.

    Close. He was not the first to write about Kimberlin by a longshot, nor was he the first to write about Kimberlin’s connection to Brad Friedman (TIME Magazine was). However, he did carry on an independent crusade to expose that connection and bring it to the attention of BradBlog readers and Kimberlin’s donors. When I first wrote about Kimberlin I noticed Seth’s blog postings and I linked his blog and gave him credit — which he has apparently forgotten. Thereafter he was sued by Kimberlin. Over the course of several months, I repeatedly told him to get a lawyer, and spoke to Andrew Breitbart and others about getting him pro bono help. However, he irresponsibly chose to ignore the lawsuit and allowed a default judgment to be entered against him. He then decided the day before a court hearing on damages to go to the hearing, and because he had waited so long, it would now cost $440 for the flight. I refused to pay several hundred dollars to fund this flight. While I believed Seth was a victim of Kimberlin’s lawfare, he was nevertheless not someone I personally knew, and the extraordinary expense was occasioned by his own irresponsibility.

    Now he blames me because he apparently thinks I have money to burn (I don’t). Calls me disparaging names and claims that our SWATtings were hoaxes. He is lashing out because, at bottom, he is ruled by emotion and not logic. Because he is penniless and obsessed with money, he believes everyone else is, and thus accuses us of manufacturing this controversy for money.

    There is a reason I am helping raise funds for Aaron and only Aaron. Aaron has made mistakes of his own, to be sure, but he has never turned on me. Unfortunately, I can’t say that about every victim of Neal’s and Brett’s.

    Comment by Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 1:47 pm

  27. Jay:

    Brooks apparently admits that he lied to you about having proof of Nagy working with Rauhauser:

    (For the benefit of those not following this, “momus” is Jay. Jay goes by “momus1978″ on Twitter and writes Screed of Momus as he says above.)

    “Oh — I said that, but it was disinfo.” That strikes me as the kind of thing a person says when they are caught in a lie.

    I am inherently suspicious of people who say they engage in disinformation. How do they expect anyone to trust them?

    Comment by Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 1:56 pm

  28. Ah, but Patterico, he tells me that he knows soooooo much more about Rauhauser than I do.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:04 pm

  29. Brooks Bayne is on a high-speed train to Charles Johnsonville. And he’s hurriedly throwing sacks of credibility out the window to make the train move faster.

    Comment by Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:10 pm

  30. #25 – Jay Batman, I have a question for you.

    You say you try to report stories so that you have a reasonable basis for things you don’t have nailed down. So why on earth did you fling out an accusation about who the SWATter was that plainly bore no resemblance whatsoever to reality?

    That’s the story that got Stacy McCain linking to The Trenches, and brought Brooks Bayne et al into the story.

    So this is all your fault!*

    *This is a joke. Do not jump down my throat over it.

    Comment by Dianna (f12db5) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:19 pm

  31. Brooks Bayne is on a high-speed train to Charles Johnsonville. And he’s hurriedly throwing sacks of credibility out the window to make the train move faster.

    Comment by Patterico

    Well, the only real difference is that Charles had – or his commenters did, anyway – some credibility to begin with.

    Comment by Dianna (f12db5) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:21 pm

  32. This has nothing to do with cream damaging cream, because Brooks lied in his articles about Lee Stranahan

    Jay, I really wasn’t talking specifically about you, either. I really admire your coverage so far. I think you are taking the right path in all of this and don’t really think you have anything you need to defend yourself for. It will be what it is and reality will eventually trump posturing by everyone involved.

    What I was talking about was probably a clash of personalities among people. I was thinking more about Stranahan, frankly. And looking at Brooks Bayne on twitter recently (and by recently I mean over the past couple of weeks) I am reminded of the old Groucho bit of “gee, I like cigars, lady, but I take them out of my mouth once in a while”. I mean, does the dude LIVE on twitter? Is he trying to be some sort of twitter “personality” or something? Geez, dude, give it a break.

    Twitter is 99% noise with a few gems in there. I’m not sure how “important” it is as a communications mechanism among fundamentalists of various sorts (political and otherwise). It seems to escalate into what amounts to a shouting match fairly quickly and the most manic wins the day or something.

    Do not stop what you are doing, Mr. Batman. I think you are on the right track. I think Patterico is, too. Doing it correctly takes time. But all of this twitter banter is for the most part a waste of time but it DOES provide the opportunity for someone to screw up so maybe it does have some value.

    Someone attempting to use their blog to make a “name” for themselves and who might otherwise have nothing to do might be tempted to sensationalize things a bit for their own purposes (self-promotion). I don’t get that sense from what I see on your site.

    Godspeed.

    Comment by crosspatch (6adcc9) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:38 pm

  33. Jay, you can jump down my throat, for I am not joking about my concern about the red-herring B. Warren business.

    Comment by Sarahw (b0e533) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:45 pm

  34. #33 Sarahw – Yes, that’s a serious question.

    Comment by Dianna (f12db5) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:48 pm

  35. I’m still waiting for that MONSTER explanatory post from Brooks over at The Trenches he has been promising for days and days. The delay almost makes you think he’s got nothing.

    Tick tock.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:53 pm

  36. daley,

    I think he will prove someone once forwarded me an email.

    Brooks apparently thinks it’s wrong to possess forwarded emails.

    He will make his case by publishing forwarded emails.

    Comment by Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 3:07 pm

  37. I already told Jay I think the Brett Warren deal was a red herring.

    Comment by Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 3:07 pm

  38. Comment by Patterico — 7/8/2012 @ 2:10 pm

    That’s my impression exactly.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 7/8/2012 @ 3:14 pm

  39. Actually, no. I have no reason to set out a red herring. The day Mandy Nagy posted the audio on Facebook, I emailed her saying that I immediately thought of Brett’s voice via the phone calls he made to me last year. Now, there are obviously those of you who disagree, as is your right. I’m not in the disinfo business, nor have I ever been. The guy who called me last year and identified as Brett Warren on two separate calls is the guy on that audio. I stand by that 100%.

    Comment by Jay Batman (2fb5e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 3:52 pm

  40. I’m not saying you’re trying to put out disinfo. I’m saying that the online video of Brett Warren does not sound like the SWATter. At all.

    Comment by Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 4:01 pm

  41. “I think he will prove someone once forwarded me an email.”

    The horror. The horror.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 5:00 pm

  42. Not even close. Plus the assertion was made but excluded the available audio. That bothered me.

    Comment by Sarahw (b0e533) — 7/8/2012 @ 5:03 pm

  43. I read Brooks Bayne briefly on the reccomendations of a twittergate person I know. Looking back it seems to be a complete waste of bandwidth. I am sensing Brooks Bayne feels Neal Rauhauser is a kindred spirit. If it weren’t for the SWATing it would be laughable. Brooks Bayne is a troll in the most dear sense of the word. Don’t take his word for anything he thinks it is worth.

    Comment by scable (40a8c6) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:11 pm

  44. The horror. The horror.

    Plus, I ADMITTED IT!!!

    And then, when Brooks shouted questions at me as if he was some Law & Order prosecutor (literally calling me “counselor”!!), and I declined to answer on the basis that I didn’t like his tone and the fact that he snuck onto the call to begin with?

    HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS!!!!!

    Comment by Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:52 pm

  45. Brooks is done. I think if there’s one invaluable outcome to this weekend’s events, it is that Brooks Bayne has no credibility left whatsoever. I’m happy to have done my part in helping to achieve that. His page views will now consist of Mike Stack hitting link after link. One bully down, one to go. I’m told that warrants are being drawn up in Nebraska for Neal’s arrest. Hopefully, we neutralize him within the next month or so for unpaid child support and use what we can find on him to get to the bottom of the SWATtings.

    Comment by Jay Batman (2fb5e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:58 pm

  46. Thank you, Mr. Batman.

    Comment by Daryl Herbert (9eba77) — 7/8/2012 @ 7:05 pm

  47. “Jay, you can jump down my throat, for I am not joking”

    That is totally HOT! inappropriate.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (9eb686) — 7/8/2012 @ 7:10 pm

  48. Patterico, I can’t tell whether or not Bayne has been a mole for Rauhauser or has decided to turn on a dime to become one for giggles, but it sure looks to me like he was just trying to figure out who to knife first.

    And the only calculation was what would drive attention to him.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 7/8/2012 @ 7:35 pm

  49. #39 – Jay Batman, I am very sorry to tell you this, but there is no resemblance that I can hear.

    Now, it’s true that what one hears is deeply influenced by expectation. But I think this is not a case where one can agree to disagree; to my ear (disclaimer, I used to be a pretty good singer, but it’s been years), the “tune” of the voices, their rhythms and patterns and pitches, bear only very slight, generic, resemblance.

    It’s nice that you believe it, but your evidence doesn’t bear scrutiny.

    Comment by Dianna (f12db5) — 7/8/2012 @ 7:44 pm

  50. I wouldn’t applaud Rauhauser being arrested for unpaid child support. But having garnishment orders show up at the VR/JTMP office would amuse me greatly.

    Its not real bright of either of them to end up in this situation. Interstate enforcement on child support orders actually has some teeth in it.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 7/8/2012 @ 7:53 pm

  51. It is amazing to me why somebody with such a large following on twitter does not generate more interest on The Heathers Trenches.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:03 pm

  52. if you want to eff with the eagles you have to learn to fly

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:22 pm

  53. the moves what are like those of Sir Michael Philip Jagger are very much like the moves what I too am known to have as well

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:30 pm

  54. Mr. Feets – When you bust one of your moves, the whole world stands slack-jawed with awe because of teh awesomeness.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:46 pm

  55. it’s for sure not an every day thing

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:51 pm

  56. moderation is a watchword for living plus avoiding the expectation raisingness of people around you

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/8/2012 @ 9:15 pm

  57. R.I.P. Ernest Borgnine

    Comment by Icy (ae16c4) — 7/8/2012 @ 11:04 pm

  58. So, watcha wanna do, tonight, Marty?

    Loved him in The Wild Bunch. Holdman shoots El General and Ernie just goes “tee-hee” and starts shooting.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 7/8/2012 @ 11:14 pm

  59. All I know about Brooks Bayne is he and TV’s Andy Levy sniped at each other on Twitter once, back in the day. They were in the same place, and BB wanted Andy and his friends to come over and say hi, and AL said he didn’t because he thought BB is a jerk.

    At least that’s what my mind is telling me to remember.

    Comment by MayBee (5e4ceb) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:39 am

  60. like banty rooster
    split teh time teh cock’rel crows
    for tasty pancakes

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (01beee) — 7/9/2012 @ 4:00 am

  61. Re: #6 – No one calls me “Mandy Nagy Phillips.” Only trolls trying to dig up info on me call me that. It’s no secret that I was once married, and thus was Mandy Phillips for a short time – but it’s been almost 15 years since then, and no one ever references that name, and most certainly not in that format. So, I call troll with bad intentions.

    Regarding Neal Rauhauser, I think it goes without saying that I have never collaborated with Neal Rauhauser. (Unless someone tricked me into doing so by presenting as someone else). There is an inordinate amount of disinformation and manipulated information being spewed into the public sphere and through backchannels (see Patterico’s prior mentions of “whisper campaigns”). Nonetheless, if there is anyone certain of the fact that I’m not collaborating with Neal, it’s law enforcement, and frankly, that’s all that really matters.

    Seems to me that some people appear not to want this investigation to come to a successful conclusion, and are very focused on attacking those who are providing helpful information to law enforcement. That to me is very telling.

    Comment by Liberty Chick (b021c6) — 7/9/2012 @ 5:06 am

  62. Also, #39 – Yes, Jay emailed me indicating that he thought the SWATter might be B Warren, and provided his basis for believing so. I passed it along to those investigating just in case, though most don’t seem to think it’s likely to be our guy. Regardless, I didn’t want to rule anything out, and I certainly don’t want to discourage others from forwarding information that they genuinely believe might be relevant.

    Comment by Liberty Chick (b021c6) — 7/9/2012 @ 5:24 am

  63. I’m guessing that this is what counts as your “collaboration”, LC.

    It would be predicated on your tipping folks to this information, at a time when the bad guys were simultaneously floating a mystery “true swatter”.

    If there were ever a personality or past that would lend itself to serious consideration, Bret W’s would. No reasonable person would have instantly discarded the tip without looking into it. I have no complaints about Liberty Chick passing it on, it would have been wrong to ignore it.

    But this part bothers me – no link was provided with audio, it was declared there was sadly none to be had, by the “Daniel” tipster (though in fact there was some to be had). This struck me as a potentially deliberate attempt to put forward a plausible, but “uncheckable” candidate to muddy the waters…almost as if the tipster did not WANT it possible for others to discount B Warren.

    Audio, however was available with diligent searching. It bothered me that this was published and linked before the link to available audio was obtained, Audio was out there, and it would have been more responsible to look for it, and also to double check other potential sources of comparison, prior to publishing it.

    Comment by Sarahw (b0e533) — 7/9/2012 @ 7:04 am

  64. Comment by Patterico — 7/8/2012 @ 1:47 pm

    Because he is penniless and obsessed with money, he believes everyone else is, and thus accuses us of manufacturing this controversy for money.

    This actually was his supposition as to why Brett Kimberlin was doing what he was doing – to raise money. I find that kind of doubtful. That is, I find it kind of doubtful that BK was raising much money because of his accusations. It was probably a more long term planned conspiracy. Before he even said a thing he probably already had money coming in for that..

    Socrates may just not have a good idea of how much money you can raise from blog publicity, but this idea that that is what motivates outlandish accusations is exactly what he thought earlier about Brett Kimberlin. I think that’s wrong – I don’t think Brett Kimnberlin started any of this on his own, to raise money from honest Democrats.

    But what he says now is in line with what he has long thought about BK and NR.

    I don’t think though, his current suspicions, and that of Mike Stack, arise out of his own mind, although ideas he and Mike Stack already had voiced, and also things they were ignorant of, may have been built on and used to divide them and make them suspicious of you and others..

    I think you are making a bad mistake if you assume what you are hearing now came out of their own minds.

    They must have been in contact with people sent by NR.

    You should not be on bad terms with either Seth or Mike Stack, and if they remain on bad terms with you, I would consider this a great success on the part of what SPQR calls the Kimberlin Crime Family.

    You just can’t let that go, and concede them this victory. It’s not right.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/9/2012 @ 12:49 pm

  65. Incidentally, one little thing about Brtett Kimberlin and Brad Friedman:

    According to both Socrates/Prepostericity (Seth)and “The Scyphers Murder” there was a time when they were promoting Pat Buchanan.

    I haven’t been able to verify if that is factual.

    But this is from both of them.

    In a comment to a March 4,2011 post

    http://patterico.com/2011/03/04/convicted-bomber-brett-kimberlin-and-the-lefts-defense-of-him/

    Prepostericty said in part in comment 33 Comment on 3/5/2011 at 11:06 pm:

    I would venture to say Kimberlin and Friedman are more likely self-promoting libertarians than actual liberals. Perhaps opportunists is the better word. One time I looked through old BradBlog archives, before it first emerged with the Clint Curtis inspired jumpstart into the zeitgeist. I could have sworn he was supporting Pat Buchanan a bit. Or a guest blogger posted good words for Buchanan and Brad concurred. I don’t exactly remember but wrote about it.

    I think these guys are looking for the flavour of the day, whatever issue they feel can muster up some donations. I also never thought that perhaps the lawsuit by the mom was a ruse. Could very well be, considering he is still living with her.

    Comment by Prepostericity — 3/5/2011 @ 11:06 pm

    So Prepostericity said Brad was pro-Pat Buchanan

    And “The Scyphers Murder” linjked Kimberlin himself to that.

    He left a comment to a Neal Rauhauser post on Daily Kos (where he seems to have considered Neal and honest person) on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 02:01:52 PM PDT

    He said in part:

    Please be very careful about trusting Brett, Neal. He used to post things praising Pat Buchanan. His claims to know conspiracy theories about the right always blow up. If he’s sincerely trying to help the left, he’s doing a terrible job. but what if he isn’t? What if this is a dirty trick?

    You’re right that Patterico does indeed prosecute murderers. He spends almost all his time on that. When he doesn’t he’s a pretty conservative blogger who welcomes liberals, even far leftists, to his blog.

    It seems like you drop Seth Allen’s name into a lot of your posts, and then fail to explain why. You’ve never provided your reason for linking Seth to anything other than his criticism of Brett Kimberlin, and knowing that you’re relying on Brett for information, and that Brett is a violent con artist, I just worry that he’s concocted some kind of story that may seem plausible, and even tug at your heart strings, but I’m pretty sure is meant to simply screw with Seth.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/19/996202/-Patterico-s-Personal-Pipsqueak

    I don’t know where this fits in, I don’t even know exactly what they said about Pat Buchanan, but that would fit with the idea they are not really attached to any party. Unless some Democrats were doing this in such as way as to help themselves. Or maybe this was designed to throw people off the trail.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:06 pm

  66. Brett Kimberlin and Neal Rauhauser supporter OccupyRebellion brings family into it:

    According to this June 28, 2012 Washington Times article, they brought family into it a lonbg time ago:

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/middle-class-guy/2012/jun/28/who-neal-rauhauser/

    Who is Neal Rauhauser

    Scroll down to:

    In my research I came across the name of an acquaintance. This person related that she was “horribly” harassed and “terrorized” by Rauhauser and his minions on and off line. She even caught a man from out of state, affiliated with Rauhauser, photographing her home.

    She was relentlessly cyber stalked on the Internet. Her crimes? Rauhauser considered her a domestic extremist – whatever that is – and she interviewed one of his enemies on her Internet radio show. She was even harassed and cyber stalked the day her son died. Horrendous emails were sent and terrible online comments were made about his death.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:20 pm

  67. Comment by Patterico — 7/8/2012 @ 1:13 am

    I have no idea whatsoever what his [brooksbayne brooks bayne] actual deal is.

    What can he be but a mole, especially since he obtained Neal Rauhauser emails??

    Probably some of them genuine, like some of the things John Reid 9 gave you.

    The question is, is everything that he has done make sense in that light?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:24 pm

  68. Comment by Sarahw — 7/9/2012 @ 7:04 am

    If there were ever a personality or past that would lend itself to serious consideration, Bret W’s would.

    I’m thinking that Brett Warren (@solaar) could be the second Swatter – because,for one thing, I think some or all of the 2012 SWATtings could have been done to create a second suspect who would be then assumed guilty of the first ones as well. I mean that’s the logical reason for the later Swats. So hearing that Neal Rauhauser now had a suspect made sense.

    (And where did we first hear about Neal having a suspect who was a former beandog?

    On The Trenches, June 11 and June 12 (at that time no name yet)

    The latest email drop from our source. Again, Neal Rauhauser to Mike Stack.

    Does anyone know if these are genuine emails or not? And if so, edited in any way, or not?

    The Trenches also has another source – a mysterious person named, or not named, Danny Shays, who gives him the exact name.

    All, of course, obviously now, just disinformation, but he still might have been the second (2012) SWATter, except that there will be very little evidence of that.

    Neal Rauhauser would have no problem throwing BW under the bus, because he’s already under the bus! (for what he did in 2010)

    There’s also really probably sufficient deniability, and/or proof to the contrary, that it really can’t create too much trouble for BW.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:46 pm

  69. But this part bothers me – no link was provided with audio, it was declared there was sadly none to be had, by the “Daniel” tipster (though in fact there was some to be had). This struck me as a potentially deliberate attempt to put forward a plausible, but “uncheckable” candidate to muddy the waters…almost as if the tipster did not WANT it possible for others to discount B Warren.

    Of course.

    Audio, however was available with diligent searching. It bothered me that this was published and linked before the link to available audio was obtained, Audio was out there, and it would have been more responsible to look for it, and also to double check other potential sources of comparison, prior to publishing it.

    What is that audio, audio of?

    The intention for having audio available, but not readily, would be so that only peiole who followed the story more closely would have it.

    Could it be the audio would show this was a different person than the 2011 SWATter?

    He might actually have been involved in a second SWATting. (but they don’t want to give proof)

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:48 pm

  70. Do we have any audio of the 2012 Swattings?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:53 pm

  71. 40. Comment by Patterico — 7/8/2012 @ 4:01 pm

    I’m saying that the online video of Brett Warren does not sound like the SWATter. At all.

    Does that go for all the SWATtings, or just the 2011 SWATtings (and the 2012 radio show call)

    Because I would think one way of covering this up would be to have more SWATtings, but done by a different person. Isn’t this exactly what Brett Kimberlin wanted to do with the bombings?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:58 pm

  72. 65. Barry A Byrne, pilot with Atlas Air Cargo out of Anchorage, AK. Went by GreatGrey on Twitter. Was close on the heels of and interacting with the Beandogs, but more with the Fogbow crowd and the Politijab group. He loved sending postcards to the woman in Illinois from his routes. Apparently, he was dumb enough to show up at her house on a layover at O’Hare. Tallulah Star has done more than anyone to document his activities and how those activities overlap with NR. She has some interesting theories about Larry Bruce tying in with the events of the past two years as a social media and networking campaign gone awry.

    Comment by Jay Batman (2fb5e9) — 7/9/2012 @ 3:35 pm

  73. At this point, I’m not buying into anything at the Trenches especially if it has Bayne’s fingerprints on it. Ain’t passing a basic smell test.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 7/9/2012 @ 3:38 pm

  74. Sammy, Erick Erickson posted audio here:

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/06/11/the-911-call-and-80-members-of-congress/

    Same guy as before.

    In Aarrons case I’ve not heard the audio or any detailed characterization of the call or the caller.

    Comment by Sarahw (b0e533) — 7/9/2012 @ 3:58 pm

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