Aaron Walker Shows How the Kimberlin Crowd Calls Your Self-Defense an “Attack”
Aaron Walker has transcribed some significant bits of the July 5 hearing in which he successfully appealed Brett Kimberlin’s latest frivolous peace order — the latest example of Kimberlin’s abusing the court system with deceptive and overbearing legal actions. Go to Aaron’s post to read it all, but I’ll highlight a couple of parts here that reinforce points we’ve made here in the past: namely, that Kimberlin takes defensive actions and statements, and dishonestly characterizes them as “attacks”:
B: In the blog that you have offered to the court today, can you cite any specific portion of that blog where Mr. Walker said he was going to assault you or harm you in any way personally? Personally? Is there any particular page—
K: Over and over he has said he is going to make me pay. Make me pay.
B: For filing charges against you [Walker?] and other things that turned out not to be true, right?
K: He said he was going to make me pay, and he said he went out and bought two guns, or had two guns.
B: And the context on that was that he was afraid of you and he was going to protect himself if you came to his home, correct?
K: I have never been to his home, I would never go to his home.
Let’s stop right there. We’ve been through this before, but since Kimberlin keeps alleging that Aaron threatened him by talking about getting guns for self-defense, let’s look at precisely what Aaron said:
I also purchased a handgun. I had owned a shotgun since law school for home defense, but I wanted something I could more easily carry in public. As they say, better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. And I made sure Kimberlin’s crew knew I was armed, to make them realize that I was not defenseless.
It’s all about Aaron defending himself. But with this crew, if you talk about defending yourself against their attacks or potential attacks, they say you’re attacking them. Back to the transcript:
B: Are you familiar with the term “SWATting?”
K: [long pause] yes.
B: And have you caused Mr. Walker to be SWATted by the Fairfax County or the Prince William County Police?
K: That is a despicable claim, and—
B: Yes or no.
K: —I resent it. I resent it! He knows I didn’t. And you know I didn’t. And you’re trying to again harass me, you are harassing me, just like—
B: I’m asking [begin crosstalk] if you are responsible for someone calling the police,[end crosstalk]
K: No! You’re harassing me. This man, this man, this man.
B: Excuse me sir, I am asking you, yes or no, are you responsible—
K: No! Absolutely not.
B: —directly or indirectly?
K: And it’s despicable!
B: So you didn’t call, or ask somebody else to call and tell the police that there have been shots fired at Mr. Walker’s home so the SWAT team would show up there. You didn’t do that, you’re not responsible?
K: Did you do that? I did it as much as you did it. I mean that’s ridiculous—
B: Sir, did you have anything to do with that or do you know who did?
K: No, I don’t.
Kimberlin says it’s harassment to ask him a question in court. In a proceeding to lift a frivolous peace order he should never have sought in the first place.
This is how these people operate, folks. They attack you — and if you have the temerity to defend yourself, or tell the world what they are doing, they call that an attack on them.
I’ll give you one more example of how this works. This one is not from Kimberlin himself, but from one of his supporters, the vile OccupyRebellion. Earlier this morning I pointed out how she threatened to publish pictures of my children and family, Lee Stranahan’s children, and Mandy Nagy’s niece — all because of the actions of a completely different person. I published a blog post last night embedding her unconscionable tweets. Here is one example:
@mtranquilnightHey while I’m at it,I can post all of the pictures of the kids & family members in Frey’s family too on my blog, right?
— Sheridan (@OccupyRebellion) July 7, 2012
Today — you guessed it — she is calling my blog post an “attack” on her:
@Patterico Now you’re using your kids to attack me? Just like Stranahan used his dead baby months ago to attack me.
— Sheridan (@OccupyRebellion) July 8, 2012
It’s a playbook. You’re not allowed to defend yourself, or even point out their attacks, or they will call it an attack.
P.S. More than $706 has been raised so far for Aaron, in tribute to OccupyRebellion’s harassment of him on July 6.
Now go read Aaron’s post.
Patterico (feda6b) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:41 pmI read it. There ought to be a law.
They will reap what they sow… in this world or the next.
Colonel Haiku (e67b0e) — 7/8/2012 @ 2:48 pmIf they mug somebody, it’s liberation. If they get mugged, it’s brutality. Old story.
nk (875f57) — 7/8/2012 @ 3:18 pmI’m very sorry that Kimberlin defending monsters continue to try to terrorize people by referencing their families.
I am absolutely disgusted by the reference to Lee’s recently deceased child and will pray for his family and ask others to do so as well. It’s not easy to take that kind of attack, in my opinion.
Dustin (330eed) — 7/8/2012 @ 3:20 pmEvidently this makes sense to them.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/8/2012 @ 3:30 pmDustin,
I’ve not been following Stranahan lately… one of his children passed? The new baby?
Dana (292dcf) — 7/8/2012 @ 3:56 pmYes, Dana.
They were twins, and one passed during childbirth.
Dustin (330eed) — 7/8/2012 @ 4:01 pmThank you, Dustin. I’m so sorry to hear that. And you’re right, it does make the reference all the more despicable – but it’s the level of behavior I have come to expect from these creatures.
Dana (292dcf) — 7/8/2012 @ 4:05 pmIt’s the communist playbook to accuse the other person of exactly what YOU are doing!
karen (7fd246) — 7/8/2012 @ 4:06 pmThese are despicable people.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/8/2012 @ 4:45 pmOne would think that a judge that regularly hears criminal cases would be schooled on some basic psychology. You would also think that over a period of years they would naturally learn certain patterns of behavior.
crosspatch (6adcc9) — 7/8/2012 @ 5:06 pmHas @OccupyRebellion ever made a tweet when Kimberlin was in a known location in public?
crosspatch (6adcc9) — 7/8/2012 @ 5:17 pmI mean, before now that I posted that?
crosspatch (6adcc9) — 7/8/2012 @ 5:17 pmI’m reminded about that old brain-teaser about meeting two fellows at the crossroads, one who only tells the truth, and the other who only tells lies. You don’t know which is which, and the puzzle is that you can only ask one question to find out the right way to go.
This is an old chessnut, but I imagine questioning BK on the stand would offer a challenge: how can I ask him questions that will advance my case, taking into account the fact that he is a compulsive liar.
Pious Agnostic (ee2c24) — 7/8/2012 @ 5:58 pmAs someone who has asked a lot of questions in my time, the most telling aspect of the transcript was that Kimberlin’s two expressions of outrage were in response to direct questions whether he had any involvement in Walker’s Swatting. The man clearly did not want to answer those questions.
Roscoe (15d927) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:06 pmI read the occupyrebellion posts. my conclusion. She is insane but functional. I imagine she is unable to hold a good relationship with her family. Has deep self doubt and this is the way she shows herself valuable to damaged men. The only men that will relate to her. Tons of psychology out there out this personality type. And also about pathological lying which sits Rauhauser and Kimberlin to a tee. IMO Kimberlin is an outright sociopath, and Rauhauser has a major personality defect that lets Kimberlin use him easily. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was sexually oriented.
The internet is a good way for some of the seriously mentally ill to inject themselves into innocent peoples lives. After their family rejects them. It’s the same reason celebrities gets stalked. No celebrity SWATting yet. But Babs probably has cut Kimberlin off yet.
scable (40a8c6) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:21 pmKimberlin is a person twisted by his own inner evil thoughts. He tries to get people to not look at his past or become weary of it so that the memory no longer functions. He hate bells being tied around him and his pal Rauhauser by the internet blogs.
Kimberlin will never have an honest job. His whole existence is dependent on finding dupes to fund him. OccupyRebellion is one such dupe.
Kimberlin will piss off one of his dupes and then the grief will start to flow from him.
scable (40a8c6) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:28 pm“When did the fight start?”
“It started when he began hitting me back.”
jim2 (30fe11) — 7/8/2012 @ 6:55 pmIn the transcript, does “B” mean “Bench” as in the judge asking questions?
Do I assume it is a matter of opinion when a judge says “Enough” and threaten to hold in contempt, as in when K accuses “B” of harassing him for asking a yes or no question?
Maybe they should assign one judge to take any case with K in it, so the “court’s patience” gets used up once, and once only, before the judge decies to remind everyone just who is in charge, after all.
Painted Jaguar (A Sockpuppet) (3d3f72) — 7/8/2012 @ 7:01 pmI’d love to be able to see Kimberlin be asked about his double secret pardon or whatever. The lie he is telling about his conviction being thrown out. The mental gymnastics should be massive.
Dustyn H (2aef62) — 7/8/2012 @ 7:10 pm#19 7:01pm
B = Aaron’s attorney
jem (0f6e3f) — 7/8/2012 @ 7:29 pmIf the want pictures of my son, they can look here http://wp.me/p1IUdy-1k1.
If they want to publish a picture of Mrs. Hoge, it could be a sign that they’re adopting Rule 5 (although she never did bathing suit shots).
W. J. J. Hoge (9c4b9d) — 7/8/2012 @ 7:44 pmThe money raised is fantastic; I am horrified and saddened to read about Stranahan’s loss; Occupy Rebellion needs to stop and look at what she’s been tweeting.
Good night!
Dianna (f12db5) — 7/8/2012 @ 8:34 pmLooking at this transcript — I am not an attorney but I have done my share of interviews and interrogations. And one of the “tells” of guilty knowledge is a non-denial denial.
An innocent man, asked, “Did you shoot Roger Rabbit?” would say, first, “No.” A guilty man tells you a bunch of reasons why he couldn’t possibly have been the one that shot Roger Rabbit, or gets in your face: “Why, that’s despicable!” He only gets around to the denial when he’s absolutely cornered — and we see a perfect illustration of that here.
I will never be on a jury, with my background. But if I were on a jury, the moment that Kimberlin teed off on Mr Bours would be all I’d need to know to find him guilty.
It’s an absolute human-nature “tell,” and unlike some tells, it’s not culturally mediated, meaning it works worldwide and even through interpreters.
Now, a well prepared guilty witness may pull off the direct denial, but only because his lawyer or whoever’s doing the prep caught him and prepared him for the cross-examination/interrogation/whatever. And there are techniques I shan’t go into that make it clear when a subject has been prepared, has had resistance to interrogation training, has practiced a deceptive answer until it’s flawlessly delivered. And there are techniques for exposing the liar who is convincing because of psychopathology.
As a rule of thumb, innocent interview subjects — even if they’re terrified because they think YOU think they’re guilty — give innocent answers before they try explaining things or feigning outrage.
Kevin R.C. O'Brien (292079) — 7/8/2012 @ 9:31 pmDo you need to present a certified judgment of conviction for perjury, in Maryland, at the end of cross, or can you just question the witness?
nk (875f57) — 7/8/2012 @ 10:35 pmBTW, I agree with Kevin. Maybe that would be the reaction of a nun caught by surprise — not BK for sure. It was all feigned outrage.
nk (875f57) — 7/8/2012 @ 10:38 pmI am so sorry for Lee and his family.
I’m sorry for all that all of you are going through.
MayBee (5e4ceb) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:36 am21.#19 7:01pm
B = Aaron’s attorney
Comment by jem — 7/8/2012 @ 7:29 pm
Thank you.
I agree with Kevin and nk. This sounds like a little boy saying, “Who, me, getting into the cookie jar? Oh, Mrs Cleaver, I would never do that.” with a smear of chocolate chip and crumbs around the mouth.
Painted Jaguar (A Sockpuppet) (3d3f72) — 7/9/2012 @ 4:23 amPatterico, this must be exhausting and sometimes even boring for you, but you’re doing it well. The RSM approach– never stop– works, in the end.
I’ve contributed to you and toward Aaron, and I encourage others to do so as well.
Just Some Guy (3b087f) — 7/9/2012 @ 5:07 amI’ve been following this with some interest due to the fact it reads like a novel. There are some real evil and criminally insane folks – Kimberlin, Rauhauser and Sheridan – working this. But then the attack on Aaron on the 6th forced open my wallet. I hate evil and want to see it destroyed.
G. Stanley (fec883) — 7/9/2012 @ 6:15 amF Them, they’re morons and should be executed anyway. Kimbo should be in a box in the ground after all of the crimes he has committed
Odumbo (a8a9c6) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:22 pmMoby
JD (f4e1b6) — 7/9/2012 @ 1:45 pmSeveral people have tried to make the argument that opposition to the tactics of Neal Rauhauser / Brett Kimberlin et al should not be a partisan argument. We got a sneering acknowledgement of that from Mark Bennett on his blog, sneering that it was conservatives who were making it a partisan issue.
But what if Democrats don’t have a problem with this kind of harassment and intimidation in general?
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/9/2012 @ 3:11 pmSPQR – is that link in reference to the Dems posting videos of Republican’s homes?
JD (318f81) — 7/9/2012 @ 3:13 pmJD, yep.
SPQR (26be8b) — 7/9/2012 @ 3:18 pmThere he goes again (“odumbo)” comment is another plant.
He doesn’t seem to get the law, does he, (or whatever pal of his that was).
Sarahw (b0e533) — 7/9/2012 @ 3:22 pmSec 230 broadly immunizes bloggers against the inevitable mopes that show,up,to,say something stupid.
And Aaron’s protected speech does not make him culpable for the speech of others. That’s “odumbo”‘s speech.
But the lame game continues.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 7/9/2012 @ 3:29 pmI went of to the Weekly Standard site today to see an ad for Donan Enginnering. The Omaha, NE office of Donan is shared with layer3arts.com which is run by a Neal Rauhauser.
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baby walkers (828d0a) — 8/6/2012 @ 8:26 pm