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I blame tye.
Comment by JD (318f81) — 7/6/2012 @ 12:41 pm
Zimmerman’s real crime was failing to play the race card first.
Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 7/6/2012 @ 12:46 pm
Beware – Skinhead racist speedfreak on the loose.
Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/6/2012 @ 12:55 pm
I read that they had to come with $1 million to secure the loan made by the bail bondsman.
He only had to put up $85,000 cash – the $15,000 he gave the bail bondsman last time, counted. His legal defense fund had about $210,000 in it. It now should have $125,000.
The judge claimed that if not the ankle bracelet he had to agree to wear last time (like as if that was really unexpected) George Zimmerman would have fled the country, using the passport he retained, with $130,000 of other people’s money. (!)
What reason is there to assume GZ had some kind of a “plan” because he wanted to retain a passport? Only in very special circumstances could that have helped him. This was just sort of instinctive, as anyone who thinks about this ought to realize. It is more likely he would have feared some trouble getting it back later on once he was supposed to get it back, than that he had any kind of thought of using it to travel while the case was active and he was out on bail. GZ was just simply going with what seemed to leave him more options.
GZ is also now prohibited from opening a bank account, (a possible reason for retaining a passport) and this time, from leaving the jurisdiction, and has to check in more often.
Also the alcohol prohibition, as before, although that doesn’t make any sense in his case.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (c08134) — 7/6/2012 @ 12:58 pm
GZ also is prohibited from going near an airport.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (c08134) — 7/6/2012 @ 12:58 pm
Did Al Sharpton help bail Zimmerman out because he believes in justice for everybody?
Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/6/2012 @ 1:05 pm
Now if we can only find out where Jessie Jackson Jr is!!!!?????
Comment by Ipso Fatso (7434b9) — 7/6/2012 @ 1:11 pm
They also narrowed the search area for the Panthers.
Comment by Davod (8bf616) — 7/6/2012 @ 1:29 pm
Davod – What is the bounty the NBPP are offering on Zimmerman up to now?
Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/6/2012 @ 1:32 pm
Jesse Jackson Jr. is hiding an illness.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 7/6/2012 @ 2:01 pm
“In the courtroom of honor, the Judge pounded his gavel, to show that all’s equal and that the courts are on the level.”
Zimmerman.
No not that Zimmerman, Rober Zimmerman, AKA____ _______, from up Minnesota way.
In other semi-related matters,
I hear Skittles, Arizona Watermelon Juice and Robitussin DM make I nice late-night cocktail. It’s a well-kept secret among hoodie hoodlums; especially kept from the MSM.
Comment by Brandon (d777af) — 7/6/2012 @ 2:21 pm
So he’s not going to Disney World?
Comment by Pinandpuller (483ea8) — 7/6/2012 @ 2:43 pm
Rule number 1: never ever talk to the police. Anything you say can and will be used against you (but not for you, because that’s hearsay).
Rule number 2: have a competent attorney who will advise you to rule 1.
Rule number 3: accept no deals. If you’re innocent, you’re innocent.
I know this runs counter to what you want as a DA, but for us lowly peasants, it is truly our only protection.
Comment by Ghost (6f9de7) — 7/6/2012 @ 4:01 pm
Ghost, in Texas there are law firms that sell something like an insurance policy for concealed carry licensees.
Concealed Carry Legal Services
An umbrella policy that covers you if you’re involved in a self-defense shooting also has much to recommend it.
Speaking of recommendations, I’m not in the least recommending the outfit I linked to; I just linked to it as an example.
The bottom line is no, the police aren’t your friend. But then, why should they be? They don’t know you, and they’re only now meeting you because you shot someone.
Comment by Steve57 (7baca9) — 7/6/2012 @ 4:28 pm
Robert Zimmerman, aka Bob Dylan, does not have a conceal carry permit….
Jesse Jackson, Jr., is preparing to go on the lam….
Comment by reff (4dcda2) — 7/6/2012 @ 5:00 pm
From the “Just because you are paranoid it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you” dept., the one thing that would make me consider fleeing the country is finding out that I’m being tried in a kangaroo court with a DA intent on “Nifonging” me.
So, let’s say somebody sent $100 to the fund for Z’s defense costs, NOT his bail, and judge rules, “Sorry, that is too much money to have to pay your lawyer, you have to hand it over for bail.”
Does somebody have standing and cause to do anything about the judge’s behavior? I’m assuming that top defense attorneys require funds not only for their own time but for costs of research and filing forms and all of the other things lawyers do. Is it possible that a person’s defense is compromised when all of a sudden they no longer have access to $85,000 to pay the bills? Can the judge say, “Tough. If you need that money for your lawyer (and buddy, you better believe you need a good lawyer in my court, hey, hey), then cool your heals in jail and pay your lawyer, not the bail bondsman.”?
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/6/2012 @ 5:08 pm
This is all designed to force a plea, MD, so they go on to the main event of the civil suit,that’s how Crump came to fame, in a more reputable way in the past.
Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 7/6/2012 @ 5:13 pm
Next I suspect they will want a list of the people who have donated money, for court purposes. Which they will make public, for harassment and intimidation purposes.
Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 7/6/2012 @ 5:23 pm
Once upon a time I figured that DA’s as a whole were only interested in doing their jobs, which would be devoting their resources to bringing to trial and convicting people who did bad things, with the people who did the worst things getting the most attention.
Being a political animal and using power to strongarm people in unjust ways would not have been part of my worldview a few years ago.
BK uses up court time on nonsense, I would think we could find ways to legitimately harass the harassers. “There oughtta be a law”.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/6/2012 @ 5:27 pm
I see that JD now posts articles here on patterico. About time. Now let the racists be unleashed…. lol! Racist!
Comment by The Emperor (89525b) — 7/6/2012 @ 5:28 pm
The Governor and the Atty General, both washed their hands of the matter.
Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 7/6/2012 @ 5:31 pm
So did Pilate, now how did that work out for him?
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/6/2012 @ 5:33 pm
Emperor, I condemn you!
Comment by reff (4dcda2) — 7/6/2012 @ 5:47 pm
In the “Off Topic, It Really Doesn’t Work That Way, but It Sounds Good” Dept., in the last 5 minutes I have heard or seen 3 different weather reports for today, radio said it was going to get to 103, weather.com said 99, when I refreshed the screen a few minute later 101… they can’t agree with themselves on what it will be in 9 hours, and they want me to belive they can predict in 9 or 90 years…
Twice as humid today though 60% instead of 30%, actually the first day this week it has really felt hot in the shade.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/7/2012 @ 5:35 am
Aww… you’re thinking about me when I’m not around jd. I think that is love.
Comment by tye (abb471) — 7/7/2012 @ 5:41 am
OTOH it was stupid of Zimmerman to think he could conceal much of anything from the prosecution, the courts, or the noisy mob out for his blood, he was under a microscope and scheduled for evisceration.
But OTOH, once the prosecution had filed their kitchen sink affidavit listing the charges against him along with their underhanded description of how the event unfolded, Zimmerman would have been under no illusions about being set up for a likely LWOPing and knew he had to keep the door open in case his worst fears were realized and he had to take it on the lam.
Faced with a politically motivated persecution and with enough money flowing in to finance a quick run for it, who among us wouldn’t have angled for the opportunity to see the next few cards turn face up?
Comment by ropelight (e68177) — 7/7/2012 @ 6:26 am
“they can’t agree with themselves on what it will be in 9 hours, and they want me to belive they can predict in 9 or 90 years…”
Look up explanations of the difference between climate and weather. This is a well worn trope.
Comment by spointer (01dabf) — 7/7/2012 @ 6:30 am
He was growing skeptical, about the Sanford police, since the Sherman Ware incident, but he felt he was confortably in the right, he couldn’t know Hurricane Sharpton would visit him,
Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 7/7/2012 @ 7:04 am
MD – don’t pay attention to imdw. It seeks to obscure and obfuscate. It likes it’s tropes.
Comment by JD (dfaa6e) — 7/7/2012 @ 7:27 am
So give us the projections of 40 years ago of what the temperature would be this year.
Comment by Gerald A (e4f300) — 7/7/2012 @ 7:30 am
Well it’s actually worse than that, they hid the medieval warming period,
Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 7/7/2012 @ 7:32 am
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/climate/medieval_warm_period.html
Comment by narciso (ee31f1) — 7/7/2012 @ 7:36 am
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Zimmerman’s real crime was failing to play the race card first.
He already was one step closer to that, since I understand he was a registered Democrat.
I was standing in line at an ATM yesterday, and in front of me was an older gray-haired woman — who was black — wearing a T-shirt stenciled with the words “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon Martin.” I quietly sighed and rolled my eyes.
I wouldn’t be so disdainful of the monolithic liberalism that addles a large portion of black America if most predominantly black communities were economically and socially stable and certainly enviable. If most schools with a largely African-American student body were exemplary or certainly not in almost all cases trapped with very shaky reputations.
I wouldn’t be so exasperated and even rather disgusted with the ideology that roils the part of the populace that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton so greatly embrace (and visa versa) if the socio-political characteristics of several decades ago still dominated the US today. But when someone like Obama actually is in the White House — actually was able to win the presidential election — I’d be an idiot in 2012 to place things in the context of around, say, 1953 or 1925, much less 1861 (ie, when Lincoln was in the White House).
Comment by Mark (c417dc) — 7/7/2012 @ 7:58 am
Now if we can only find out where Jessie Jackson Jr is!!!!?????
Comment by Ipso Fatso — 7/6/2012 @ 1:11 pm
– He’s in a ‘rest facility’, finger-painting and posting interesting opinions on the Internet using a three-letter screen name.
Comment by Icy (534d91) — 7/7/2012 @ 8:56 am
Look up explanations of the difference between climate and weather. This is a well worn trope.
Comment by spointer — 7/7/2012 @ 6:30 am
– More education to follow, after the ManBearPig hunt.
Comment by Icy (534d91) — 7/7/2012 @ 8:59 am
Actually, Abraham Lincoln and Barack Obama have something rather significant in common. Both expanded the authority of the federal government at the expense of the US Constitution, State government, and the individual rights of the people.
Comment by ropelight (e68177) — 7/7/2012 @ 9:00 am
The difference being that one of them SAVED the nation, while the other . . .
Comment by Icy (534d91) — 7/7/2012 @ 9:07 am
37- Abraham Lincoln had his accomplishments too. Though I suppose you southern conservatives aren’t too crazy about the spike in labor costs that can be attributed to Honest Abe.
Comment by tye (abb471) — 7/7/2012 @ 9:13 am
Complete and utter parody.
Comment by JD (dfaa6e) — 7/7/2012 @ 9:17 am
Does 4chan or encyclopedia dramatica give instructions for “how to troll conservative websites?”
Comment by carlitos (49ef9f) — 7/7/2012 @ 9:21 am
Did ya a-hear that, JD? Y’all have wandered north of the Mason-Dixon line by mistake! You’re in Yankee territory! Fo’ shame, suh . . . fo’ shame.
Comment by Icy (534d91) — 7/7/2012 @ 9:29 am
Zimmerman’s quite the trickster. It was especially wily of him to conceal the fact he was accumulating money by advertising for it on the world-wide web.
I believe his next sleight-of-hand will involve a billboard across the street from the court house telling supporters the physical address of the bank where they can send money.
The judge and the prosecutor will be stunned when O’Mara tells them about it several weeks after it’s put up.
Comment by Steve57 (7baca9) — 7/7/2012 @ 9:38 am
Lincoln certainly knew how to deal with treason, though perhaps he was a bit too gentle in the end.
Comment by spointer (01dabf) — 7/7/2012 @ 9:41 am
I still cannot get over the judge saying it was reasonable to suspect that Z and his wife were making plans to flee the country.
Surls should add the judge to his Xmas card list.
Comment by Icy (534d91) — 7/7/2012 @ 9:43 am
I’ll lay sarcasm aside for this, although the court did earn disdain. There was obviously no such plan as O’Mara told the court that he, the attorney, was at fault because Zimmerman had given him the passport. And that while it was in O’Mara’s possession, O’Mara had forgotten to give it to the court.
The court engaged in gratuitous slander. Nothing more. Zimmerman gave his attorney his passport, and spontaneously told his attorney about the money his website had collected without being asked. Pace the judge, he clearly had no plan to flee the country. His only “plan” was obviously to defend himself in court.
It’s becoming obvious that the judge, like the prosecutor, believes his job is to prevent race riots and not to do justice. We have a rash of judges infecting the country who obviously can’t believe their own BS (and I’m sure you know of one particular judge besides this one that I have in mind when I say that). If this judge believed his own BS, he wouldn’t have granted GZ bail. The charge carries a potential life sentence. Judges do not have to, and apparently in FL do not often, grant bail in such cases. Yet despite the fact the judge fell victim to “black robe fever” and spouted off on a bunch of things that clearly weren’t true, he granted GZ bail anyway.
Actions speaking louder than words, GZ is not a flight risk.
MD, the American “justice system,” such as it is, in large parts depends upon depriving the accused of the assets they need to defend themselves.
For instance, the government will deprive you of the assets it asserts are the proceeds of the crime (should you ever be accused of gaining filthy lucre from some sort of financial crime) before the trial and before you’re convicted of anything. Despite the fact that the government already has nearly limitless amounts of money at its disposal, it feels the need to stack the deck further against the defendant and reduce the already limited amount of money he or she has available to pay lawyers.
This does not happen in civilized countries, where first you must be convicted of a crime before the government can confiscate the money you stole.
Comment by Steve57 (7baca9) — 7/7/2012 @ 10:03 am
It is always amusing to see the amount of bitterness and hatred that oozes from tye, spointer and the other various sockpuppets those troll(s) employ.
Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 7/7/2012 @ 10:07 am
As an aside, GZ was recorded telling his wife to use the money to pay off their Sam’s Club balance and other credit card bills.
That’s one awfully conscientious fugitive from justice, can’t we all agree?
Comment by Steve57 (7baca9) — 7/7/2012 @ 10:09 am
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Surls should add the judge to his Xmas card list.
Zimmerman-Martin is to Dave what Obamacare is to John Roberts. Or, for that matter, what Zimmerman is to the Florida State Attorney, a woman generally of the right but who gushed, oozed and tinkled over Trayvon Martin’s parents after a meeting with them. A good example of how anyone of us on various occasions can be foolishly liberal.
I know Surls has previously bragged about his living in a neighborhood where he doesn’t have to lock his doors at night. In a similar vein, I’m sure Chief Justice Roberts will always feel confident that his personal resources are going to be indefinitely good enough that he’ll never feel much impact, if any, from Obamacare (eg, the example to he north of wealthier Canadians traveling to the US to receive medical care unavailable to them under their healthcare system).
Comment by Mark (c417dc) — 7/7/2012 @ 10:39 am
Comment by Steve57 — 7/7/2012 @ 10:03 am
yea–Asset Forfeiture/Confiscation Laws–Have pretty much turned me from pro-cop/prosecutor to apathetic at the very least.
Just another arm of the IRS–Prove that your money is not the result of “crime” and we may let you have it back. Just carrying a “large amount of cash” is reason enough to confiscate (such s during a traffic stop). Cop uses dog to “alert” on the money, you act upset, they don’t like your reason for having cash, etc…
And now it appears that judges are part of Big Bail Bondsman Inc.
Would love to see the “government” have to pay back cost of bail on failure to convict of the original charges (and to see judge invented judicial/prosecutorial immunity to be tossed out too). If I can be tossed in jail for something I do on the job that is “wrong”–Why not the judicial professionals?
Comment by BfC (fd87e7) — 7/7/2012 @ 10:54 am
I am in a very uncharitable mood at the moment, but by God’s grace I will not give full vent to it…
27. …
Look up explanations of the difference between climate and weather. This is a well worn trope.
Comment by spointer — 7/7/2012 @ 6:30 am
Mr./Ms. spointer (remember, I am not saying what I would really like to right now), if you had carefully read my post, you would have realized it said this (and it still does): “Off Topic, It Really Doesn’t Work That Way, but It Sounds Good” Dept.,
Yes, I know the blanking difference between weather and climate, but if you were paying attention back in the 90′s when we were told to worry about warming and not another ice age the story given to the public had to do with weather. In the beginning no one was talking about tree rings and no medieval warming period and all of that, they were talking about how blasted hot the summers were in the US. It wasn’t until the weather became uncooperative with the narrative that people started talking about how climate change to warming and record cold winters in the US or europe could be consistent. That’s how they started talking about “Global Climate Change” after all.
There are many things I don’t know, even some things I think I know and am wrong about, but I bet I give more actual thought to a “tongue in cheek” answer than you do once you have your talking point from wherever you get them. I would be glad to find out that I am wrong and that there are some people out there who in spite of their trollishness actually think for themselves, there would be hope then.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/7/2012 @ 11:21 am
MD, the American “justice system,” such as it is,
Comment by Steve57 — 7/7/2012 @ 10:03 am
I have made it a point to refer to it as a “legal system” for some time now. There is a justice system, but often the verdict is slow in coming as we humans observe such things.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/7/2012 @ 11:24 am
Hey MD.
It smells like ass in here. Oh, it’s just
SpointerSphincter.Comment by peedoffamerican (606d27) — 7/7/2012 @ 11:33 am
“They” still are. The rules of AGW propaganda are:
1. Weather is just weather when it’s unseasonably cold.
2. Weather is effin’ CLIMATE! when it’s hot.
3. Anything that’s hot is effin’ CLIMATE! Refer to the Colorado wildfires if you’re unclear on this point. The fires could have been the result of lightning or arson for all we know, but it’s hot. So is AGW. If we put the two into the same cuisinart where liberals chop logic and reason into bits, the Colorado wildfires prove AGW.
4. Go back to one and begin again.
Comment by Steve57 (7baca9) — 7/7/2012 @ 11:47 am
Comment by Steve57 — 7/7/2012 @ 11:47 am
True that. Just the other day I read and critiqued a letter from the “Union of Concerned Scientists” for a friend that was pushing the “record high temperatures are the impact of Global
WarmingClimate Change” line. Maybe spointer should contact them, because I think they were actually serious when they said it.Maybe we should make “I am Zimmerman” and “If I wasn’t African American I might look like Z” buttons and tee shirts- although before any proceeds got to his attorney the judge would probably up his bail again…
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/7/2012 @ 11:56 am
“Yes, I know the blanking difference between weather and climate”
Someone who knows that difference knows that it is wrong to say this: “they can’t agree with themselves on what it will be in 9 hours, and they want me to belive they can predict in 9 or 90 years”
“That’s how they started talking about “Global Climate Change” after all.”
One of the effects of increasing average temperature will be global climate change.
Comment by spointer (64270f) — 7/7/2012 @ 11:57 am
But actually, those wildfires increase particulate pollution which causes global cooling. Mother Nature did very well for a long time without the help of scientists, and she better not start depending upon them now.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/7/2012 @ 11:58 am
Point well taken. I’ll take it onboard. At the very least if I talk about the legal system I don’t have to put it in scare quotes.
As an aside, we’ve gotten into it on other threads about what I believe you consider my eagerness to pronounce people guilty based upon mere speculation. In my defense, I only do so when I can have absolutely no effect on the accused or someone I think ought to or will be accused in the foreseeable future.
Our legal system is nowhere near as considerate.
The idea that you’re innocent until proven guilty is betrayed by the fact that unless you can make bail you’ll be locked up and appear in court in shackles, if you can make bail it will likely deprive you of the assets to fight the charge, and if it doesn’t the government will confiscate the money anyway based upon the assumption you are guilty and that’s the only reason you have the money.
Hell, if you’re driving down the street with a lot of cash on you the state can take it because even if they reluctantly have to admit they can’t prove you’re guilty of a crime, your money is presumed guilty until you go to the trouble and expense of proving it innocent.
Compared to the legal system, the speculation I indulge in on comment threads like this is nothing.
Unless you think I’m in denial.
Comment by Steve57 (7baca9) — 7/7/2012 @ 12:01 pm
spointer, I am so disappointed in you. You either didn’t read or didn’t understand what I explained in my post. I was hoping for at least silence, or perhaps a word explaining you missed my sarcasm, being an online comment and not being able to read tone of voice, body language and all, but no, you had to go and double down on your failed point.
I hope you have a better afternoon. Painted Jaguar thinks the heat my have addled my brain as I am a particularly something at the moment. Off to chill, literally and figuratively.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 7/7/2012 @ 12:04 pm
The models cannot predict weather a week out… They cannot predict it a few years out… They cannot predict the weather regionally… The models always diverge from “weather”… “Treemometers” are “provide” to +/-0.01 degrees, but glass thermometers are accurate to +/-1 degree F (at best).
Most of the US weather stations are only “accurate” to around +/-4to5C (7.2 to 9F). Around 1.2% of the stations are accurate to +/-1C (1.8F).
All of the major data sources (weather stations) has been “adjusted” multiple times. And virtually none of the proxies have been demonstrated to respond to average (what does that mean anyway?) local or world temperatures.
Mann has talked about “teleconnection” between trees and world temperatures. Sounds like we are back in the “good old days” of Soviet Science.
Comment by BfC (fd87e7) — 7/7/2012 @ 12:09 pm
Unless you think I’m in denial.
Comment by Steve57 — 7/7/2012 @ 12:01 pm
Painted Jaguar:
Mr. Steve, it’s a good thing MD is off now and didn’t see this comment. He’d wonder if you’re trying to pick a fight or grand an axe or push an agenda, rather than have a simple disagreement of opinion.
Comment by Painted Jaguar (A Sockpuppet) (3d3f72) — 7/7/2012 @ 12:10 pm
grand, grindtyping is hard with paws and claws…sharp claws
Comment by Painted Jaguar (A Sockpuppet) (3d3f72) — 7/7/2012 @ 12:12 pm
Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 7/6/2012 @ 2:01 pm
If not tertiary syphilitic dementia, it should be.
Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 7/7/2012 @ 12:44 pm
He mighta even thought (shudder) that I was serious.
Comment by Steve57 (7baca9) — 7/7/2012 @ 12:44 pm
if you were paying attention back in the 90′s
Back then, his future father was wiping the best part of him off of his hands.
Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 7/7/2012 @ 12:59 pm
46- not sure why you call me a sockpuppet. I suppose whatever causes you to not accept the truth about everything else I’ve posted is the same re: my name being Tyler.
Comment by tye (abb471) — 7/7/2012 @ 5:06 pm
Someone forgot to wipe their shoes before coming in from outside.
I’d told you all about that.
Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 7/7/2012 @ 5:08 pm