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6/26/2012

Strong Circumstantial Evidence That Brett Kimberlin Is Astroturfing the Alleged “Threats” Against Him and His Allies

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:01 am

Ask yourself if the following scenario seems likely:

A convicted perjurer and bomber, obsessed with people he perceives to be his “enemies,” sees evidence of a threat by one of those long-time “enemies.” The threat is made in a comment to a blog post about the bomber, 9 days after the post was originally published. The bomber sees that threat 1-8 minutes after the threat is made. This occurs around midnight.

The threat is by an impostor commenter, falsely using the name of the bomber’s “enemy.” Within minutes, the host of the blog notices the fakery, deletes the comment and related comments, and posts explanatory comments that he has done so. But the bomber/perjurer already has the threat on his Internet browser.

Despite the evident importance of the threat, however, he waits at least 32 minutes to capture the screenshot.

Then the perjurer and bomber never refreshes the thread again in the next 19 days.

The perjurer and bomber says he’s not the guy who left the threat. And he doesn’t know who did. He just happened to see it, coincidentally, during that 8-minute window, 9 days after the post was published. And that was the last time he ever hit “refresh” on the post about himself.

Does this scenario make any sense at all?

If you say “no,” then you just might be thinking that Brett Kimberlin is astroturfing threats against him and his political allies.

Yesterday morning, Aaron Walker sent me Brett Kimberlin’s response to Aaron’s motion for an emergency stay. This passage from Kimberlin’s brief got my attention:

Petitioner provided those officials evidence of credible threats to Judge Vaughey and to others who have been threatened, including the New Hampshire Attorney General who is investigating associates of Mr. Walker for widespread criminal activity. See Exhibit F, where someone stated that they should take pitchforks to the Maryland Courthouse to target Judge Vaughey, and that they should go to New Hampshire to target the Attorney General and his staff from a “grassy knoll.”

Kimberlin then provides this screenshot as Exhibit F:

That’s a little blurry, but the final allegedly threatening comment purports to be from me. Which it really isn’t. It was left by an imposter.

Here’s the interesting part about that comment, left by an imposter pretending to be me:

Brett Kimberlin pulled up that comment within 8 minutes of when the comment was made. This was around midnight his time. Then, despite having this supposed evidence of a threat by me, he waited at least 32 minutes longer before actually taking the screenshot.

That way, he made it look as though he didn’t stumble across the comment until 40 minutes after it was made. But in truth, he pulled up the comment within 8 minutes, not 40 minutes.

Let me walk you through exactly what happened.

I still remember that comment, because it’s rare for people to impersonate you on your own blog. Here are the two comments that appear in Kimberlin’s screenshot:

Does anyone get the impression with all these subpoenas flying around, that the New Hampshire AG Michael Delaney and his Associate AG “Dick Head” (exactly what I’m planning to name my kid someday) are going after O’keefe for totally bogus reasons?

We need to be out protesting, not just in front of the courthouse in Maryland, where that moronic judge had Aaron Walker arrested for supposed “death threats” on his blog. Pitch forks in hand, Burrough Road in New Hampshire should be our next target, so that we can teach Dick Head’s boss a lesson about the first amendment on his grassy knolls.

Comment by PaschalM — 6/3/2012 @ 8:47 pm

Why don’t we kill two birds with one stone. Delaney’s grassy knoll on Burrough Road in Canterbury, NH isn’t that far from Dick Head’s house on Sansome Lane in Warner, NH.

Hmmm…

Comment by Patterico — 6/3/2012 @ 8:53 pm

That second comment was not made by me. It was made by “PaschalM” — 6 minutes after he made his own comment. He was just pretending to be “Patterico.”

I checked my blog within 15 minutes of the phony “Patterico” comment. I saw the phony comment and pulled it down, along with the PaschalM comment that bore the same IP address. I still have those comments in my moderation filter. Here they are, with the identical IP addresses:

I then left the following comments:

A commenter named PaschalM left a comment, then left another comment pretending to be me, responding to his own comment. The commenter has been banned and the comments removed.

Comment by Patterico — 6/3/2012 @ 9:08 pm

Keep in mind that there are sock puppets around planting stuff. If you see a comment that purports to be from me, but doesn’t sound like me, it may not be me.

Comment by Patterico — 6/3/2012 @ 9:09 pm

But in the meantime, JD had already commented, responding to the phony comment made by fake Patterico. I trashed JD’s comment, which I found today in my trash filter. I’m not taking a screenshot of the whole thing, which would show his IP address and email, but this screenshot shows that it was left at 9:01 p.m.

So here is the entire chronology of the pertinent comments on that Brett Kimberlin thread:

8:47 p.m. (11:47 p.m. Eastern): PaschalM leaves comment.
8:53 p.m. (11:53 p.m. Eastern): PaschalM posing as Patterico leaves comment.
9:01 p.m. (12:01 a.m. Eastern): JD leaves comment on same thread.
9:08 p.m. (12:08 Eastern): I announce that I have deleted all three of the above comments.

Now here is where it gets interesting.

Look again at the Kimberlin screenshot. The very last comment on the thread in that screenshot is the one by “Patterico” which is really a fake comment by a poser. This means that the 12:01 a.m. Eastern comment by JD had not been left yet.

So Kimberlin pulled up the page after fake Patterico left a comment at 11:53 p.m. Eastern, but before JD left his comment at 12:01 a.m. Eastern.

That is an eight minute window that Kimberlin had to access the comment the way it appears in his screenshot.

Now look at the time at the top of the screenshot. That is when the screenshot was taken: 12:33 a.m. This means that Kimberlin waited until 12:33 a.m. to take the screenshot. Since he had not refreshed the page, it still looked the way it looked when he pulled it up — but the clock kept running at the top of the display.

He had that seemingly damning evidence sitting on his computer, but somehow he didn’t take the screenshot for at least another 32 minutes after he originally pulled up the page.

With this knowledge in mind, let’s do a revised chronology, using only Eastern time, which is Kimberlin’s time in Maryland:

11:47 p.m. Eastern: PaschalM leaves comment.
11:53 p.m. Eastern: PaschalM posing as Patterico leaves comment.
Between 11:53 p.m. Eastern and 12:01 a.m. Eastern: Kimberlin accesses the post.
12:01 a.m. Eastern: JD leaves comment on same thread. (This comment does not appear on Kimberlin’s screenshot.)
12:08 Eastern: I announce that I have deleted all three of the above comments. (This is not reflected on Kimberlin’s screenshot.)
12:33 a.m.: Kimberlin takes the screenshot.

Now, why would someone be obsessive enough to be refreshing a post so often that they pulled up a comment only available (as the screenshot appeared) in an eight-minute window — but wait at least 32 more minutes to take the screenshot?

One possible explanation: the person didn’t want it to look like they took the screenshot just minutes after the comment was made. So they wait a suitable time after the comment is made — say, 40 minutes — so it all looks casual. Like they just stumbled on it.

Here’s another thing.

The blog post in question was posted on May 25, 2012. The comments in question were made nine days later, on June 3, 2012. Kimberlin filed this response on June 22, 2012 — 19 days after these comments were made.

Recall:

Kimberlin is on record as despising me. He has threatened me with a defamation lawsuit. He has filed a State Bar Complaint against me. He has complained about me to my office. (That’s a matter of public record, so I am giving nothing away.) He has complained about me to the stalking unit of my office, and reported me to Kamala Harris. He has insinuated in court documents that I may be responsible for a plot to murder him, and he has spoken of filing a RICO action against me and others.

So now, he just so happens to catch a comment, allegedly by me, allegedly threatening his political allies — in a narrow eight-minute window after it was made, nine days after the post was originally published — and he never refreshed the page again in the next 19 days?

Either that, or he forgot to tell the court that I had said the comment wasn’t mine.

Game, set, and match.

147 Responses to “Strong Circumstantial Evidence That Brett Kimberlin Is Astroturfing the Alleged “Threats” Against Him and His Allies”

  1. Did that make sense?

    Patterico (feda6b)

  2. yes, and the explanation on the other end is that stupid cunning people are, ultimately, stupid.

    this is what is going to destroy the BK evil empire… not a climactic battle, but a death by 1000 cuts that will eventually gut him in a court of law and/or trip him and his fellow criminals up with one or more law enforcement agencies.

    may that day soon come.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  3. Like many liars, Kimberlin was successful for a while. When people start to catch on and start comparing notes it all falls apart.

    myiq2xu (bd1fd3)

  4. I think this is a very compelling argument that Kimberlin and pals are fabricating the comments they are relying on in court to show harassment.

    There has been a strain of comments that all sound similar in that they try to name where someone is and promise to do something. Also, implausible threats against third parties like Richard Head or his boss, the AG of New Hampshire.

    Interestingly, when challenged, these astroturf comments usually launch into a ‘I’m more conservative than thou!’ and ‘You don’t know what it takes to win!’ argument.

    That’s something to keep an eye out for.

    Dustin (330eed)

  5. By the way, it is safe to ban that IP address. It is a well known open proxy often complained out for “forum spam” and “comment spam”.

    http://www.liveipmap.com/85.93.218.204

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  6. Great summation counselor. Powerful argument.

    Dustyn H (acf6c9)

  7. BK’s ineptitude in this present case is almost….disappointing. Talk about sloppy.

    Lizbuddie (defc83)

  8. Liz, I think he got cocky when Judge Vaughey bought his routine to the point where the Supreme Court was to be forgotten in a court discussion of free speech.

    Dustin (330eed)

  9. Calling for pitchforks in a protest against a public official is not a threat, and is absolutely protected by the first amendment, as well as completely within the mainstream of acceptable discourse. It means exactly the same thing as a call for tar and feathers, which is also mainstream discourse and protected speech.

    Milhouse (312124)

  10. Yeah, it seems like someone hoping for another Judge who doesn’t understand the internet.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  11. Side Note: It reads like Neal’s writing to me, though I don’t have a handle on what Brett’s writing voice sounds like.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  12. the fake comment was from luxembourg?!? (spoofed?)

    Seems like BK was told about the comment and more than likely opened the page as soon as the comment was shown (much less than 8 minutes)

    So I’d think Pascal is one of his and Neal’s buddies or Neal himself

    Lord Nazh (821ae1)

  13. Comment by Milhouse

    Grassy knoll. You do realize that’s talking about shooting someone, right? The person who lied and claimed to be Patterico and then smeared him with that comment was talking about shooting someone and also trying to show they know where the targets live, to make the threats more alarming.

    Gee, where have I heard this story before… someone claiming to be Patterico and talking about shooting someone…

    This isn’t an argument about what’s protected speech. It’s a comment about who smeared Patterico. Who would want to do that? Someone on Aaron’s side? I rather doubt it.

    All this effort to plant comments overlooked that the proprietor of the blog and the people urging others not to leave those comments are not culpable legally. It’s an emotional appeal, not a legal one, in hopes of finding another Vaughey who is so moved by Kimberlin’s fears that he ‘forgets Brandenburg’.

    Dustin (330eed)

  14. Grassy knoll, yes. But pitchforks no.

    Milhouse (312124)

  15. the fake comment was from luxembourg?!? (spoofed?)

    Tor or some other proxy.

    Dustin (330eed)

  16. FWIW the IP address used for both posts in the screen shot (85.93.218.204) is an anonymous proxy service – see here – and sometimes a TOR exit node. The host itself is in a hosting provider’s datacenter (visual online – vo.lu) in Luxembourg but I have not figured out who actually runs the anon proxy service using that ip address

    It is unlikely (though within the bounds of slight possibility) that two commenters on Patterico’s blog would use the exact same anon proxy but I think it is clear that it is highly unlikely that Patterico himself would use such a proxy to access his own blog.

    Francis Turner (50f267)

  17. I could have used a lawyer of your caliber years ago.
    Nail this bastard.

    mg (44de53)

  18. Re: Lux, probably Tor or some other relay service.

    Just finished reading the multipage update from AW. Scary stuff, which has the desired chilling effect on public discourse. We need to get the same federal politicians that recently mentioned swatting to take an interest in AW’s push to get the prosecutors to file charges.

    Scott (1e2254)

  19. Dustin,

    “Interestingly, when challenged, these astroturf comments usually launch into a ‘I’m more conservative than thou!’ and ‘You don’t know what it takes to win!’ argument.”

    Interesting. I guess the lesson in this is to beware of caricatures.

    Excellent post, Patterico. I’m glad I stumbled upon this blog. I think it was through Breitbart. It certainly wasn’t “Stumbleupon.” BTW, they (Breitbart) have a writeup about the most recent SWATting.

    Brandon (d777af)

  20. Dustin, is it possible that “you don’t know what it takes to win” could be an honest sentiment? There’s quite a lot of ground between obsessive blogging and even anything unethical, let alone illegal.

    Now that Patterico has some demonstrable evidence of the Kimberlin Krew harassing him, will he make use of it?

    Rob Crawford (d8dade)

  21. Did that make sense?

    Comment by Patterico

    Yes, but it was a challenge in my de-caffeinated state. This guy is the Medusa of criminal bloggers… fiendishly too clever by half.

    Colonel Haiku (488a9d)

  22. There’s quite a lot of ground between obsessive blogging and even anything unethical, let alone illegal.

    Of course.

    someone suggesting a lawful, ethical response is not giving any reason for suspicion. But then there’s the kind of person who is unrealistically hostile to obviously good ideas.

    Now that Patterico has some demonstrable evidence of the Kimberlin Krew harassing him, will he make use of it?

    I figured Pat describing the facts was making use of it. What do you suggest? I can see this being part of a legal claim except because Aaron and Patterico aren’t inciting anything, the authenticity of the astroturf may not be relevant.

    But I could be wrong. I sure was that day Vaughey gave his order.

    Dustin (330eed)

  23. “Now that Patterico has some demonstrable evidence of the Kimberlin Krew harassing him, will he make use of it?

    Comment by Rob Crawford — 6/26/2012 @ 3:57 am”

    This is either someone clueless or pretending to be clueless. Most likely the later, because if he knows about the situation, it’s overwhelmingly likely that he either knows precisely what Patterico has done about it, or he knows that such information is a few clicks away.

    It’s tiresome, these constitutionally damaged trolls.

    Brian (421728)

  24. 85.93.218.204 (the IP used by the phony) is assigned to a licensee in Luxembourg. Why would Patterico (who lives in southern California) be using a European IP?

    Steven Den Beste (99cfa1)

  25. There’s a server at that IP. I bet it can be used as an anonymous proxy.

    Steven Den Beste (99cfa1)

  26. The problem with this evidence is that it is far to circumstantial. If you already believe Kimberlin was PaschalM, this supports your theory. But, what evidence is there of that? That he took a screen shot of the comments? That he waited 32 minutes to take the screen shot?

    It is evidence that will satisfy the choir you are preaching to (and I’m in the choir), but I don’t see it convincing a jury of anything (in and off itself – added to other circumstantial evidence, of course it may).

    The real questions here is can we tie down where the IP address is? Is it someplace Kimberlin frequents? Is it his house/office/ whatever?

    Monkeytoe (5234ab)

  27. This makes sense, but I suspect the typical judge or jury member won’t follow the fine edge of Occam’s Razor as it shaves away at BK’s fictions. He’d wave “documents” that seem to support his case, while you argue timing which is a little technical.

    We longtime bloggers and readers of blogs understand the odd coincidence of timing and have seen the sockpuppets in action, so it’s easy for us to follow.

    Dan S (cdeb05)

  28. Hey Patterico,
    Great article and investigative work. I have one suggestion, though. I would add somewhere in your first paragraph that the threat was made in the comments section. When I first started reading, it sounded like the threat was part of the initial blog post.

    Tim

    Tim Wells (6c4cda)

  29. If the pattern holds, the offending comments will have come from an untraceable Yahoo server IP. Which will in itself be more evidence that there is likely a converted effort by an individual(s) to slander Pat and his site.

    Random commenters wouldn’t bother going through the trouble of hiding their tracks on a one-off, stupid comment, if they were legitimate.

    CausticConservative (910dce)

  30. I would like to know where the FBI is on this. I would like to know what the NSA is doing about this.

    Where are the conservative representatives of congress? Where are the senators? Why is BK not being investigated?

    Jack (520565)

  31. It made sense after the intro, which was a little confusing. The explanation that followed made sense, but I wouldn’t have understood if I just read the first 1/3 of it.

    MCreamer (06da9e)

  32. The truth will come out…..eventually. I wish you all the best in this fight.

    Thank you for keeping us updated on what’s going on.

    Kevin P. (97b78a)

  33. For what it’s worth, PaschalM’s email address listed on that screenshot of your moderation filter is “leesburgpatriots1776.”
    There are some Tea Party groups that use the name Leesburg Patriots, but Leesburg also happens to be a town in Northern Virginia. I expect Kimberlin would be familiar with that.

    Larry Reilly (095be4)

  34. Tim’s suggestion is good. Also the “the threat is deleted” was confusing to me on first read. (passive voice…. doesn’t say who did the deleting…added to my initial confusion as to what this was all about).

    A more straightforward intro would state clearly “an impostor commenter, falsely using my name ‘Patterico,’ wrote a ‘threatening’ comment on my blog post….I quickly deleted the comment and related comments and posted explanatory comments that I had done so.”

    It begs the question of why you can’t prevent others from pretending to be you on your own site.

    MCreamer (06da9e)

  35. “the New Hampshire Attorney General who is investigating associates of Mr. Walker for widespread criminal activity.”

    Where did that come from? Just from O’Keefe stuff?

    Mama AJ (d5eb5a)

  36. Quick question….do we know that the screenshot was made by Kimberlin, or could it have been made by someone else who then sent it to him?

    I happen to be fairly illiterate in these matters…

    RWS (9d1bb3)

  37. Excellent suggestions. Here is my re-written (and hopefully clearer) intro:

    Ask yourself if the following scenario seems likely:

    A convicted perjurer and bomber, obsessed with his enemies, sees evidence of a threat by one of those long-time enemies. The threat is made in a comment to a blog post about the bomber, 9 days after the post was originally published. The bomber sees that threat 1-8 minutes after the threat is made. This occurs around midnight.

    The threat is by an impostor commenter, falsely using the name of the bomber’s enemy. Within minutes, the host of the blog notices the fakery, deletes the comment and related comments, and posts explanatory comments that he has done so. But the bomber/perjurer already has the threat on his Internet browser.

    Despite the evident importance of the threat, however, he waits at least 32 minutes to capture the screenshot.

    Then the perjurer and bomber never refreshes the thread again in the next 19 days.

    The perjurer and bomber says he’s not the guy who left the threat. And he doesn’t know who did. He just happened to see it, coincidentally, during that 8-minute window, 9 days after the post was published. And that was the last time he ever hit “refresh” on the post about himself.

    Does this scenario make any sense at all?

    If you say “no,” then you just might be thinking that Brett Kimberlin is astroturfing threats against him and his political allies.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  38. Quick question….do we know that the screenshot was made by Kimberlin, or could it have been made by someone else who then sent it to him?

    I happen to be fairly illiterate in these matters…

    The screenshot looks a lot like screenshots on a blog called “Just Call Me Lefty” as well as screenshots on the “Breitbart Unmasked” blog as well as a screenshot of pictures of my home at Kimberlin’s “Occupy for Accountability” blog.

    I suppose it’s possible it’s not Kimberlin, and since it looks like fakery he will no doubt blame an “anonymous” tipster.

    He often has a deceptive explanation at the ready…

    Patterico (feda6b)

  39. It begs the question of why you can’t prevent others from pretending to be you on your own site.

    How would you propose I do that?

    Patterico (feda6b)

  40. Are you explicitly calling yourself one of the convicted bomber’s enemies repeatedly in this thread?

    MCreamer (06da9e)

  41. Evidence can be manufactured. Happens all the time.

    Seems even easier in the digital age, thankfully it also might be easier to expose.

    However, I’ve seen bogus patterns created where each particular instance is debunked but the perception of pattern remains.

    Amphipolis (d3e04f)

  42. Are you explicitly calling yourself one of the convicted bomber’s enemies repeatedly in this thread?

    Comment by MCreamer — 6/26/2012 @ 7:13 am

    From his perspective. That’s clearly how he sees it.

    Patterico (217752)

  43. I tried to clarify that, too. Thanks, MCreamer.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  44. I see myself as his critic.

    He clearly sees ME as his “enemy.”

    Patterico (feda6b)

  45. It is also important to note that Astroturf is only a necessary tactic when the interested party is not getting the desired response he wants/needs.

    No poster here has taken the bait and allowed BK to tar and feather Pat by proxy. But it is apparently something that they need in order to get where they are going with this.

    Don’t take the bait.

    CausticConservative (571fe5)

  46. @Patterico, a slight change:

    A convicted perjurer and bomber, obsessed with his enemies, sees evidence of a threat by one of those long-time enemies (Patterico).

    I am with MCreamer, your second intro is much better. The first one was a little to inside baseball so to speak.

    Ipso Fatso (7434b9)

  47. This is either someone clueless or pretending to be clueless.

    Or it’s someone who just doesn’t get what the purpose of humoring Kimberlin and Krew is.

    If this is evidence of Kimberlin committing perjury (which is what I get from it), then why isn’t it being presented to the court as such? Because it’s just not worth it? Is there no course to deal with this? Isn’t it evidence of Kimberlin or an associate harassing Patterico?

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  48. Good analysis, Pat. While it won’t necessarily indicate to authorities that it was Kimberlin himself doing the astroturfing, it should indicate to any rational authorities that someone was trying to frame you via astroturfing.

    One more brick for the wall.

    Leviticus (102f62)

  49. If I didn’t make myself clear above, the problem of how to prevent people from pretending to you on your own blog has long ago been solved for WordPress users. Several plugins will do the job for you, if you can just be bothered to install and configure one.

    Helpful WP Plugin Recommender (86b614)

  50. For those just hearing about this story for the first time, here’s a rather brief, concise synopsis of Brett Kimberlin and his deranged behavior.

    Kimberlin is less than 5’6″ tall? He therefore visually — literally — almost fits the image of a troll, and also looks like a caricature of the proverbial oddball who lives in his mother’s basement.

    Mark (76abc3)

  51. Remind me not to join any LA gangs. Well done.

    By the way, can’t you block any commenters with the exact spelling “Patterico” ??? I mean, except the real Patterico, of course.

    The original attempt at setting you up was a little weak, since we all pick our own nicknames.

    ukuleledave (e546ca)

  52. It should be a simple software matter to refuse comments from any user named “Patterico” who does not login in exactly the same way the genuine Patterico does to write posts on this blog.

    melanerpes (0a6a1e)

  53. Did a google search for the IP address. Steven was right, it’s an anonymous proxy server.

    http://www.liveipmap.com/85.93.218.204

    FPW (b5450a)

  54. It should be a simple software matter to refuse comments from any user named “Patterico” who does not login in exactly the same way the genuine Patterico does to write posts on this blog.

    Comment by melanerpes — 6/26/2012 @ 7:42 am

    WordPress has a login system for anyone who publishes main posts. There are plugins that will apply a special CSS style or bit of HTML to any comment by a logged in user (or different codes for different logged in users, but I’m keeping it simple). So, for example, Patterico’s comments could have a very lightly shaded background, or something like that. This would make it impossible for anyone to impersonate him in the comments.

    Helpful WP Plugin Recommender (86b614)

  55. BK isnt a very good liar, but he’s very enthusiastic. Singer’s book is full of bk whoppers that fall apart if they get breathed on. But hey, that’s what psychopaths do.

    Sarahw (3150cc)

  56. I agree with you about the “enemy/critic” distinction. I might even just call you an investigative journalist/columnist.

    I see that you’ve updated the original post to reflect that.

    I was concerned that the original phrasing had conceded the label of enemy on yourself. See #35.

    MCreamer (06da9e)

  57. Patterico could even have his “P” logo show up for each of his comments. The plugin can be configured to be cool.

    The main reason to use it is just to help users find the host’s comments quickly, but it also prevents sockpuppeting the blog owner. This is by design.

    Helpful WP Plugin Recommender (86b614)

  58. Due to the open nature of Patterico’s site, it is impossible to prove that anyone has made the comments under their moniker. I have been spoofed before. And threats could be posted by someone with a new moniker.

    Tighter registration is great and would keep out the amateur mischief makers, but don’t fool yourselves. If Twitter can be hacked, then WordPress and others can be hacked. IP addresses can be spoofed. In reality, all of these comments are more or less open.

    Amphipolis (d3e04f)

  59. Aww! The Silky Pony and his white trash baby mama have broken up.

    Think of the chillun’!!!

    Icy (3a8c70)

  60. OK…this is weird. If you look along the top, gray portion of the screenshot you see some sort of link to “The Sacred…he Devine.” If you plug “the sacred the devine” into Google the first hit is….

    http://www.passionrituals.com/

    “…Passion Rituals Voodoo Readings and Spell Services. Welcome to my blog of FREE and POWERFUL spells!”

    Getting too bizarre for yours truly…..

    RWS (9d1bb3)

  61. Patrick,

    I thought you might find the headline and subject matter in this article a little ironic, given the current topic of conversation:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-26/democrats-may-drop-speedway-event-at-charlotte-convention.html

    NukemHill (cc0db9)

  62. PaschalM’s IP is in Luxembourg http://websiteipaddress.com/IPLocation/85.93.218.204

    and is a content spammer with various usernames http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/85.93.218.204

    canuckamuck (a6741c)

  63. It makes perfect sense.

    AW should seek sanctions on Kimberlin’s lawyer (himself here) for submitting the false/manufactured exhibit.

    Does he have to proceed pro se already because no lawyer can trust anything he has to say? They would be subject to sanctions and risk losing their license to practice law. His reputation precedes him, among lawyers.

    Now I suppose that it will be your fault (because of this very blog post) for him not being able to find a lawyer willing to represent him.

    The grassy knoll reference here can only be intended as a direct threat to Patterico, who would instantly recognize the falseness of the post attributed to him. Exhibit F contains the Kimberlin authored threat submitted to court by Kimberlin himself. That beats stubbing your little toe on a bed frame. He needs to get a lawyer.

    pdxnag (e26688)

  64. As much as I hate to say it, because I don’t read regularly and tend to be a ‘late commenter’ myself…maybe you should also consider force-closing comments on all posts after some shorter timeperiod, like 4-5 days. Help prevent such late-breaking sockpuppetry.

    I know you shouldn’t be forced to alter the way you want YOUR blog to run to prevent fraudulent behavior by others, and I don’t want to sound like I’m blaming the victim. Just a suggestion for self-preservation/caution.

    Sorry you’re going thru this, but good write-up. Convinced me. The screenshot should also have metadata in the file save timestamp if it was submitted as other than a printout, but of course that assumes the computer time is set correctly.

    rtrski (c69273)

  65. BK needs to be confined by the Court to a mental-institute where he will not be a danger to himself and others.

    AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92)

  66. The bomber “sees” that threat 1-8 minutes…

    MCreamer (06da9e)

  67. Judge Vaughey also did not order Aaron to remove his extant post from his blog as of the date of his order and BK’s response keeps referring to those posts, which is therefore nonsensical as usual.

    In addition, ignoring his inability to prove incitement, BK imagines that Aaron is the only person writing about him out there, which is laughably false.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  68. I think the fact that the same IP address in Luxemburg is used a few minutes apart by “two people” advocating violence on an American blog is fact enough to impeach the “evidence”, not to mention the veracity of the provider of that evidence.

    The rest of the post is overkill and “too much information”.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  69. just a simple example of how easily someone could create a screenshot

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSfu4GuPZ_w

    pjalinsky (5c827f)

  70. I mean that last constructively, of course. Sometimes things seem harsher than intended when you read them back.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  71. Like a swallow returning to San Juan Capistrano, Kimberin appears destined to return to his rightful home, the Big House.

    G Joubert (aa378b)

  72. #31:
    Leesburg has more sinister connections: last I heard, Lyndon Larouche was headquartered there. On the other hand, it’s a fair-sized town, so that could just be a coincidence. Are there any connections between the Kimberlinites and the Larouchies? Besides combining insanity with politics, I mean.

    Dr. Weevil (225140)

  73. udge Vaughey also did not order Aaron to remove his extant post from his blog as of the date of his order and BK’s response keeps referring to those posts, which is therefore nonsensical as usual.

    True. Actions made before the order are treated as though they were made after. Clearly he hopes that details like that won’t be noticed if he makes up for it in volume. I think it works the other way around and once a reader notices one example of nonsense or dishonesty, they start looking for more… and boy do they find more.

    Kevin, the fakeness of the sock wasn’t the main question. You’re right that that aspect is much easier to show. It’s the circumstantial case that the supposed victim is coordinating with or responsible for his own supposed harassment.

    why isn’t it being presented to the court as such?

    Don’t assume it isn’t going to be. But it’s of very limited use. Brett flails in his argumentation, but is this legal harassment? Is it relevant to even entertain debunking harassment in court if Aaron doesn’t remotely approach incitement?

    I’d rather just put them to their proof that Aaron harassed or incited harassment. There isn’t any, of course.

    Dustin (330eed)

  74. Comment by CausticConservative — 6/26/2012 @ 5:54 am

    Random commenters wouldn’t bother going through the trouble of hiding their tracks on a one-off, stupid comment, if they were legitimate.

    This is also important, independent circumstantial evidence, that this is not just anybody.

    Sammy Finkelman (48f9c6)

  75. Comment by Larry Reilly — 6/26/2012 @ 6:41 am

    PaschalM’s email address listed on that screenshot of your moderation filter is “leesburgpatriots1776.”

    Patriot. 1776. Where have we seen that before?

    Sammy Finkelman (48f9c6)

  76. It’s the circumstantial case that the supposed victim is coordinating with or responsible for his own supposed harassment.

    I guess, but bringing the obvious sock to court is a bit of a Rollo Tomasi. And as Sammy points out, who hides his identity so thoroughly as someone with something to hide?

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  77. I would propose the counter argument that any of the alleged harassment and threats supposedly suffered by BK were as a result of the BK crime family bragging about their harassment of Aaron on twitter and the internet rather than anything Aaron did. Prove that one wrong.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  78. Has anyone discussed why team BK would employ a tactic that was so easily proven false?

    If the fact was that Patterico deleted the impostor’s “threat” comment in under 15 minutes, and Patterico himself commented explaining and documenting what had transpired just minutes later, why did this “evidence” make it into the motion to the Court?

    Presumably the motion was assembled and delivered to the court at some time later than 15 minutes after the imposter’s midnight “threat” comment. At the time of the motion the comment was already long gone and the host, Patterico, had documented its deletion, explicitly stating that the comment had been made by an impostor.

    Now I know we think little of team BK, but part of their “effectiveness” is employing lies and tactics that are less demonstrably false than this example. Wouldn’t a 5-minute focus on this in front of the judge demonstrate gross misrepresentation on team BK’s part, resulting in the case being thrown out and perhaps charges of malfeasance against the people who brought it up?

    So “they’re dumb” or “they’re evil” or “they panicked” doesn’t cut it for me. Why such a lapse in “judgement?”

    MCreamer (06da9e)

  79. I am appalled at the severe lack of tech-fu exhibited by Kimberlin’s Klowns.

    Anybody with even a modicum of technical savvy can produce pixel-perfect “screenshots” that can “prove” anything.

    Screenshots prove nothing…except that they’re idiots.

    Leroy Oddswatch (cb6511)

  80. “So “they’re dumb” or “they’re evil” or “they panicked” doesn’t cut it for me. Why such a lapse in “judgement?””

    MCreamer – If you review the history of BK’s litigation, you will see that most of the time his claims are challenged or put under scrutiny they are tossed out. One issue is that a number of his filings are just motions that are accepted unless challenged. The Judge in this instance obviously thought nothing of his response.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  81. If anyone wants some information on the IP address, here it is.

    http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/85.93.218.204

    IP: 85.93.218.204
    Decimal: 1432214220
    Hostname: 85.93.218.204
    ISP: Visual Online S.A.
    Organization: ION S.A.
    Services: Confirmed proxy server
    Type: Dial-up
    Assignment: Static IP

    This is the company that owns the IP address, http://www.vo.lu/

    Kaitian (da9520)

  82. MCreamer – Plus he has a habit of filing documents late at night and on weekends so the opposition is unaware something new has been filed on a case.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  83. So “they’re dumb” or “they’re evil” or “they panicked” doesn’t cut it for me. Why such a lapse in “judgement?”

    Comment by MCreamer — 6/26/2012 @ 10:25 am

    Dumb AND evil. They probably thought Patterico wouldn’t notice those messages in a 19 day old post and/or the judge wouldn’t check.

    MTB (9081e0)

  84. I believe the scenario that Pat described is most logical. We know the screen shots weren’t “created” because the comments are actually in his mod bucket and his logs show the times the comments were made and the IP address posting them is a known open proxy that has a history of being abused by all sorts of people for all kinds of nefarious activity.

    In fact, there are so many of these open proxies that you can not guard against them all, it is a big giant game of whack a mole.

    What you CAN do is assume that you don’t have any legitimate uses in that entire address block assignment and just block the entire thing. In this case blocking 85.93.192.0/19 would clobber that entire block routed to that service provider (85.93.192.0 – 85.93.223.255 assigned to Visual Online).

    That beats playing whack-a-mole with individual IPs and if someone is a legitimate user in that block and emails, their address can be allowed specifically.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  85. It’s interesting to note that in some cases, a presiding judge’s decision can depend on, or at least be influenced by whether or not he is technologically up to speed. As we’ve seen, a judge’s technological ignorance is one person’s advantage and another person’s disadvantage. Clearly, a conniver who is at least a tad more tech savvy than the one making decisions can manipulate and manufacture “proof” and have it produce the intended consequences.

    Dana (292dcf)

  86. Presumably the motion was assembled and delivered to the court at some time later than 15 minutes after the imposter’s midnight “threat” comment.

    If you read the post, it was 19 days later that he posted it.

    part of their “effectiveness” is employing lies and tactics that are less demonstrably false than this example

    Not so. They usually lie brazenly and out in the open. For example, Brett’s claims about the wrestling decking assault. He was claiming nine officers held back Aaron who kept resisting. This story was never going to hold up. Why in the world tell lies of that nature?

    I think because some people react to such huge lies with ‘he wouldn’t say that if he didn’t have a basis because it’s so easily debunked’.

    Wouldn’t a 5-minute focus on this in front of the judge demonstrate gross misrepresentation on team BK’s part, resulting in the case being thrown out

    Well, the unclean hands argument makes a lot of sense, but you are missing how this was never a legal argument in the first place. Posting something Aaron never incited is not relevant to Aaron’s blogging. The idea is to get people to stop applying the rules because of the over-the-top con.

    Read Citizen K. It’s full of lapses of judgment and bad lying. They are committed to one lie after another, so they don’t skip a beat when one fails.

    Dustin (330eed)

  87. MCreamer, BK tells many such whoppers in Singers book… He is neither a careful liar nor a creative one. He even coops other people’s stories as a cheap way to come up with one of his own. He’s an enthusiastic and bold liar, who must count on boldness and enthusiasm to persuade his marks there is no need for scrutiny.

    Sarahw (1ccab4)

  88. Has anyone told Glenn Reynolds that Kimberlin used his picture (Exhibit E) to support his motion?

    Daddy Binx (5db569)

  89. It’d be interesting (but not particularly meaningful) to see an analysis of your access logs to the page in question. How many people are reading a 9 day old blog entry, etc.?

    malcom digest (e6b817)

  90. One of the few “nice” things about evil is that it typically overplays its hand, leading to its downfall.

    MD in Philly (f0e1bd)

  91. Time for hastags in the Comments section, just like Ace does.

    John P. Squibob (2fb82d)

  92. “Why in the world tell lies of that nature?”

    A few reasons based on tactics used to manipulate people of which I am seeing a recurring pattern.

    1. People tend to want to avoid drama. If you can make things exceedingly dramatic, they ask themselves if at the end of the day the case merits all the work it is likely to take. If they decide “no” then they look for the path of least resistance to bring it to some kind of close. K & R work by making things exceedingly difficult. They place themselves inside a swamp of deep sticky mud and nobody wants to trudge through all that mud in order to deal with an issue like “someone posted something I didn’t like on the Internet”.

    2. He’s using a tactic I call “twisted onus” and by that I mean we have a legal system where guilt has to be proved, not innocence. So BK arrives in court with a bunch of fabricated stuff. You can’t prove a negative. It is impossible to prove something DIDN’T happen, you can only prove what DID happen. The best you can do is show you have no evidence that a claim is true. So what BK does is makes all this crap up about someone. This tends to place that person in a position of trying to prove they are innocent but what they have to do is prove that what BK produced is false. Don’t attempt to defend yourself by trying to prove a negative, you can’t do it. What needs to happen is exactly what Pat did here, attack his “evidence” and show that it is likely fabricated and show the evidence you have that explains how it was fabricated.

    So BK attempts to put the onus on you to prove you are somehow innocent by presenting a load of made up crap and then to get past that you have to dig into the presented evidence and show it to be bogus and now the focus is effectively shifted away from the actual issue (what someone actually posted on the internet) and onto the evidence he presented. It is like the “evidence” he presents is part of the smoke screen itself.

    You have to go into it knowing he is going to present a bunch of crap and tear it apart. But our system is set up so it gives the person making the complaint the benefit of the doubt in good faith.

    His entire game seems to be trying to be a tar-baby. You become a rip-roaring pain in the ass to deal with, flood the place with a bunch of bogus “evidence” and then chew up a lot of people’s time and effort to the point they just don’t think the price is worth the end result and give up.

    Same with the harassment of employers. The employer says “I know you didn’t do anything but this is a pain in our ass”.

    But maybe this bunch has finally crossed the line to the point where it IS worth pursuing them in court, no idea, it’s up to law enforcement and the judge to decide.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  93. Check out a typical thread at UncommonDescent blog, which is powered by WordPress.

    http://www.uncommondescent.com/human-evolution/science-and-human-origins-conclusion-it-is-possible-we-came-from-just-two-parents/

    In this thread the author is “News.” All News’ comments are in red print. All other comments are in black print.

    In other threads where there’s an author other than “News” their comment background fields are a different shade than other comments, so they stand out.

    That’s a simple solution without having to worry about logos and different fonts, etc. It’s also handy when an author extends his/her argument into their comments as a discussion expands. It makes it easy to follow.

    I’ve been lurking/commenting on that blog for over 5 years and to my knowledge, there’s never been an issue of a commenter posing as an author – and there’s been plenty of incentives for an unscrupulous commenter to want to do so. They’ve had a lot of trolls posing as someone they are not and have been found out and exposed, but that’s another matter.

    Brandon (d777af)

  94. Time for hastags in the Comments section, just like Ace does.

    Comment by John P. Squibob

    Yeah, I like that system. However, a simpler solution is to delete those who impersonate others and expose their dishonesty.

    I mean, the sock pretending to be Patterico couldn’t have been more obvious that he wasn’t. I wouldn’t have needed an icon to see that.

    —–

    MD, you’re right. It’s a recipe for self destruction. In my opinion, Brett plays for the short term, willing to cross the next bridge when he gets there with whatever it takes. A lie or… when this eventually becomes impossible, a game change.

    For example, lose in court, and suddenly it’s not a battle of legal claims, but instead someone is being terrorized with a swat team. Or someone’s wife is called at work, if the vague conspiracy theory doesn’t get any takers.

    Dustin (330eed)


  95. Citizen K.
    Page 80-82:

    “She knew I was doing something illegal, though she didn’t know exactly what it was,” he told me. “She said, ‘Brett, I hate it when you go to Texas.’ I said ‘Why?’ She said, ‘Because I’m afraid you’ll never come back.’ But I had to go. So she started getting back at me for going away on her special days. Like when I came home, I told her, ‘I’ll pick you up on Thursday,’, and she’d say, ‘No, I have other plans.’ This was her way of getting back at me.

    “One day in June, I called her at the apartment and said I’d come pick her up. I told her I was coming and I had a friend with me. She said ‘Who?’ It was Bill Bowman” – a drug-dealing associate. “When I got there she wasn’t there and she left a note that she was at her grandmother’s. I called over there and said I was coming to pick her up and the grandmother said, ‘Well, Jessica’s with me today. You’ll have to see her later.’ It was like Jessica was doing this little head game, you know. I wouldn’t call it a rebellion against authority. It was more ‘Hey, you’re fucking with me because of your dope. I can fuck with you too.’”

    Julia Scyphers could be a nuisance, Kimberlin acknowledged, but he emphasized that in no sense did she and he have a running dispute.

    “People call it a falling-out, but I don’t know that’s what it was,” he said. “I think it was more jealousy on her part/ The grandmother was a control freak. She was always trying to control Jessica and Sandi’s lives, even after they’d moved out of her house. Maybe the grandmother thought I was instigating Sandi’s independence. She would call and say she wanted Jessica over at the house at a certain time on a certain day, but Jessica would’ve already made plans with friends. Then the grandmother would lay this head trip on her. I never had a falling-out with her. I never had a blowout with the grandmother or an argument or a disagreement. She never threatened me.”

    The afternoon of 23 June 1978, Julia Scyphers appeared at the office of Judith L. Johnson, an employee of Born’s Management Company, a real estate management firm whose portfolio included the Port O’ Call apartment complex, where Sandra Barton was the lessee of unit 68-A. According to a statement that Johnson later gave to the Speedway police department, Mrs. Scyphers paid fifteen dollars to have the front-door lock on 68-A rekeyed. Johnson wrote that Mrs. Scyphers wanted the lock changed because “her grandchildren had been approached by a man prior to her visit to our office. She was concerned for the safety of her grandchildren.”

    Subsequently, Judith Johnson has recalled, either Kimberlin or Sandi intercepted a Port O’ Call maintenance man and prevented him from changing the cylinder on the lock.

    The morning of June 26, Judith Johnson continued in her statement to the police, she had another surprise visitor.

    Brett C. Kimberlin came to our office. He came into my office and closed the door, talked very low, was nervous, introduced himself as living with Sandra Barton, 68 POC #A, and stated he had lived there for a good many years. He told me that his girlfriend’s mother was harassing them, that she hated him and their situation (living there with her daughter and grandchildren) . . . he said that Mrs. Barton’s mother was insane and that he wanted them to get away from her but that Mrs. Barton was afraid of her mother and would not stand up to her.

    Listening to Kimberlin, Johnson realized she’d made a mistake when she accepted money from Julia Scyphers to change the lock. Nor did she care to hear much more of what he had to say. But Kimberlin persisted.

    He wanted me to evict them so it would be a good reason for them to have to move away and therefore Mrs. Scyphers would believe them and think they had to move and were not just getting away from her. I told him I couldn’t evict Mrs. Barton for something like that. He then told me the apartment was destroyed due to Mrs. Barton having 4-6 animals, that the odor was very bad and that the sometimes had to step out on the patio in warm weather. He said the carpet was ruined. I advised I would have it inspected. If it was true and was this dirty we would ask her to move. He agreed. We also discussed the date and arrived at 8/1/78.

    On a three-by-five index card, the detective from the Speedway Police Department who interviewed Judith Johnson -the interview took place 3 Augist 1978- recorded the following quotation from her, separate from her signed statement: “Brett Kimberlin had vengeance on his face when he talked about Mrs. Scyphers. He radiated hatred.”

    When, during Marinus Dykshoorn’s visit to Indianapolis, Jessica Barton approached to ask about her grandfather’s prognosis, Dykshoorn went out of his way to accommodate her. Knowing that she was a friend of Kimberlin’s, he gave her fifteen minutes of his time, gratis. While Jessica sat with the psychic in one corner of the hotel suite, Kimberlin chatted with his wife. A memory of this occasion lingered with Kimberlin of Jessica bringing along a photograph of her grandfather or some other object that could yield a clue to his destiny. When it was time to leave, Jessica seemed distressed. If Dykeshoorn indeed had the capacity to foretell the future, then the outlook for her grandfather was bleak.

    […]

    According to Kimberlin: He never had a conversation about Julia Scyphers in the offices of Born’s Management Company – on 26 June 1978 or any other date- and the meeting Judith Johnson described to the Speedway Police Department never occurred; any suggestion of impropriety between himself and Jessica Barton was a delusion that flowed from Julia Scyphers’s neurotic need to control the lives of her daughter and granddaughters. “Nobody ever explained to the grandmother anything about the relationships,” he told me. “The grandmother never had any idea what was going on. Sandi had these boyfriends but she would spend time with me. My conjecture is maybe the grandmother thought Sandi was whoring around. The grandmother couldn’t figure it out. But so what? I never had any conflict with the grandmother –never, ever.” All insinuations of exploitative or unsavory behavior on his part were figments of the imaginations of unscrupulous people whose object was to impugn and persecute him.

    What was not a figment of anyone’s imagination, however, was what happened to Julia Scyphers on 29 July 1978. Shortly before three o’Clock that afternoon, she was mortally wounded with a gunshot to the head, in a fashion that bore the earmarks of a contract murder.

    [Excerpt ends]

    Were these lies intended to hold up? No. He crosses the next bridge when he gets there. And eventually he can’t do it with words alone. Then, my speculation is the game changed to violence. And my further speculation is he moved on to the next bridge of an investigation thwarted with a series of diversionary bombs. And when he’s caught as the bomber, he moves on to a theory that he’s a political prisoner. And when that is exposed, he moves on to lawfare intended to force the people explaining the story to stop ‘harassing’ and ‘stalking’. And when it’s shown that folks like Aaron and Patterico aren’t doing that, hey, here’s a sockpuppet or fifty. And when it’s shown Aaron isn’t inciting anything, knock knock knock, it’s a neighborhood patrolman who just heard Aaron shot his wife. And it won’t end unless law enforcement catches the swatter and MD prosecutes perjury.

    Dustin (330eed)

  96. What may be the unintended consequence of this is the end of anonymous commenting on the web. Some sausage-makers are already trying to pass that.

    JD (not the bad one) (3e3fee)

  97. Dustin, we’ve seen that Brett Kimberlin is not fazed by his lies being discovered. He is still claiming those fake injuries from the nonexistant assault by Aaron.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  98. Is my 11:54 comment showing up?

    Dustin (330eed)

  99. Psalm 71:
    1.In you, Lord, I have taken refuge;
    let me never be put to shame.
    2 In your righteousness, rescue me and deliver me;
    turn your ear to me and save me.
    3 Be my rock of refuge,to which I can always go; give the command to save me,
    for you are my rock and my fortress.
    4 Deliver me, my God, from the hand of the wicked,from the grasp of those who are evil and cruel.

    justaguy (c060b6)

  100. I am not bad. I have rough edges.

    JD (ad6f40)

  101. Dustin,

    Nope.

    Kaitian (da9520)

  102. Thanks. No biggie. Just wondering.

    Dustin (330eed)

  103. As far as “perjury” charges, Aaron Walker filed five clear reports of false statements, filings, and perjury by Kimberlin in his lawfare against AW; all were nol prossed (dropped without action) by the prosecutors.

    In Maryland, it is more important to protect criminals and liars who have leftist connections than to enforce the law.

    Estragon (13e813)

  104. So where are the cops?

    George (be5476)

  105. It’s not like this stuff isn’t obviously easy to track. WordPress will log it and you can get verification from your server logs.

    These people, whomever is doing it, are really idiots. I guess they hope they get a judge who doesn’t understand anything… like the judge Walker got…

    Harrison (916bde)

  106. Someone tried to put Judge Vaughey’s home address and telephone number on my blog.

    I moderate comments, so it didn’t happen.

    I suspect Kimberlin or one of his cronies.

    Jordan (52afbf)

  107. Gee willikers. I’d already figured out that prog judges aren’t as smart as a fifth grader …… now I know Team BK taint neither.

    MDr (cada1d)

  108. Notice how he put the actual unredacted address and phone numbers in his filing?

    JD (ad6f40)

  109. I did a quick search and it appears those fake comments were bounced. That would indicate that the perp paid an expert to commit the act of online identity theft.

    Lets say that the person who paid for the illegal activity ran, for the sake of argument, a non-for-profit group. Almost certainly the monetary transaction for services paid would be listed on financial statements as operating expenses.

    In addition, you could also call the Netherlands IP service and see if they will give you (or more likely sell) the origination of the message.

    Good luck,
    Brian

    IP Address Details
    IP Address: 87.209.57.67
    Hostname: ip67-57-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl
    Reverse Lookup: ip67-57-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl
    ISP: Tele 2 Nederland B.V.
    Company: Pop Eindhoven
    City: Eindhoven
    State/Province: Noord-Brabant
    Country: Netherlands

    Brian_AL (c69273)

  110. Correct me if I am wrong. but I believe yours was exhibit G, not F… because it appears from the first going down that exhibit letters are below the screenshot.

    I only noticed this because I just wrote a post about the Walker SWATting which I included a note about Exhibit F, from Kimberlin’s argument against Walker’s stay, which was from my blog’s small comment section and had to change the letter I posted when it was pointed out to me that the letters appear to be listed below screenshots, not above.

    Susan Duclos (29b33a)

  111. Comment by Leroy Oddswatch — 6/26/2012 @ 10:29 am
    I am appalled at the severe lack of tech-fu exhibited by Kimberlin’s Klowns.

    Anybody with even a modicum of technical savvy can produce pixel-perfect “screenshots” that can “prove” anything.

    They tried that (seattle545) http://patterico.com/2011/06/20/betty-veronica-solved

    They were not pixel perfect. Things didn’t match up precisely. It’s hard to do. (I’m talking about the first two – the ones supposedly between Weiner and Genette Nicole that show Anthony Weiner himself behind the mastermind behind Nikki Reid, with Genette doing the actual work) I think it was about these ones – and it’s also true for others that someone pointed out they were not pixel perfect.

    But even if this could be done this is not as easy as going on to a blog and leaving things and screencapping them.

    Plus it’s much more obvious a fraud on the court.

    And what if there are other comments left at the same time? And what if somebody else screencapped it? How about Google or Bing? No, it’s both much simpler and much safer to actually leave comments and screencap them.

    Screenshots prove nothing…except that they’re idiots.

    They knew the comments were real – after all, they left them. Maybe they were counting on the idea nobody would dare to accuse them (without concrete evidence) of putting them there themselves. Or a judge would not pay attention.

    Sammy Finkelman (48f9c6)

  112. Dustin, have you read the latter part of chap 35 yet?

    If not, look for,the part about what bk did that day, the day Judyscyphers was murdered, and how others described what BK did that day.

    Sarahw (3150cc)

  113. Re: Chapter 35 of Citizen K.

    In the middle, on pages 320-323 the Tovex is discussed.

    Does anyone know what happened to the extra explosives?

    Why did Kimberlin admit to having had extra Tovex?

    (He claimed that his architect, Stephen Miller, had taken 70 leftover sticks and then gave them to his brother Scott and kept only 4 – in reality Miller had had only the four. )

    Was there some evidence that Scott had had the Tovex and is that why he admitted it?

    In any case Miller never got 70 sticks and Miller never gave 66 sticks to Brett’s brother Scott. Scott may have had 66 – or more – but he didn’t get them from Miller.

    The end of Chapter 35 indicates that Kimberlin made up a lie (which he told to the Parole Commission in 1988) about the police having concluded that some drug addict who had died of an overdose shortly after the murder had committed the murder
    .
    Very interesting is that Kimberlin wanted to interrupt a drug deal to watch the news and then expresses surprise at the identity of the murder victim. “MY God, That’s Sandi’s Mom!”

    A kind of an alibi except he couldn’t use it in court (he had a second totally false alibi too) but it might help during an investigation. (an informant might tell this to someone)

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  114. BK hasn’t figured out yet that if he didn’t lie he wouldn’t have to remember what he did or said only to get tripped up by all the inconsitencies later. Good job on tripping him up on this one. Yet another BK lie. No surprise.

    Joe (c21991)

  115. Aside from being a convicted serial bomber, Kimberlin a certifiable nutcase, an obsessive sociopath, and a real pussy. I can hardly wait until one of the SWATing stunts gets traced back to whomever is doing it; him or one of his thug pals.

    SFC MAC (64acf6)

  116. Being outsmarted by others must be the worst part of this for Kimberlin, who doubtless sees himself as uncommonly clever.

    Thankfully, he can’t seem to help himself from screwing up.

    Bravo, Patterico. You’re doing us all a great favor exposing this little man for what he is.

    Pigilito (9208f3)

  117. K & R work by making things exceedingly difficult.

    Oh, Kimberlin and Rauhauser. For a moment there I thought you meant Kernighan and Ritchie, and was very puzzled! K & R worked by making things easy!

    Milhouse (312124)

  118. “Kernighan and Ritchie, and was very puzzled! K & R worked by making things easy!”

    Yeah, I sort of did that on purpose and K&R with anyone having a computer science background is all about C.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  119. In 2004, because of a reorganization I was once put under a manager who while brilliant in many respects had a major character flaw. He would lie even if the truth was better for him. It was difficult dealing with him because I had to fact check everything he told me. It was just too much work. I eventually transferred to another department.

    I wonder if BK is like my previous manager in that lying is such a integral part of his character that he just can’t help himself. That doesn’t give him a free pass to lie, he has a personal responsibility to act in an ethical manner and should suffer the consequences of his actions.

    Right now, because of his previous actions, I can’t believe what he says without verification. My first reaction is to believe that most of what he says is a lie.

    Tanny O'Haley (12193c)

  120. While no doubt BK will eventually hang himself by overestimating his own competence and capabilities and just screw up, clearly it won’t stop this behavior. Even if he ends up incarcerated and his reach is severely limited, would still in whatever way available to him torment, harass and hate. He would be compelled to find a way because that is what drives him – the evil and the hate. It’s the essence of who he is. Now, whether he always has been, is an entirely different matter.

    Dana (292dcf)

  121. In the book Citizen K, it tells that when Kimberlin was having his prison friend James Turner call politicians and others for him he would have him tell all sorts of different stories. Now he was a Republican, now he was a Democrat etc..

    In a letter Brett Kimberlin wrote to Webster Hubbell, he claimed, for no apparent reason at all, that his brother Scott was killed by a hitchhiker (he was killed by the boyfriend of a girl he seduced)

    The people Scott Kimberlin was dealing with were teenagers. He was involved in some kind of illegal activities with them in Dayton, Ohio.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  122. Chapter 35: Kimberlin liked the idea of him thinking at first Julia Scyphers was killed in a car accident.

    We have 2 or 3 people who told him the news first.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  123. How many 3rd world despots act exactly like Kimberlin?

    Phillep Harding (1b8b26)

  124. More than likely the Netherlands IP service would lead to a dead end. My guess is the poster used one of the anonymous browsing proxy services out there, Tor or something similar. So you might be able to get back to whoever had that proxy in the Netherlands, but given the setup it would be nearly impossible to back track it to the actual source.

    Adam (c53848)

  125. Patterico, I disagree with your use of the word “astroturf.” That has a very specific meaning: faking something to create the impression of grassroots support/opposition. For example, paying people to hold signs, or creating robot spam twitter accounts in order to spam #stoprush messages to create the impression that there are hundreds of people who care about the boycott.

    Faking a comment by you, in order to frame you for a crime (or to defame you personally/professionally) isn’t really “astroturf.” It’s still heinous conduct, especially when it’s used in a declaration given to the court. But I think you should use a different word for it.

    Daryl Herbert (1e4392)

  126. 120

    Yeah, astroturf isn’t exactly right. Astroturf is the creation of fake “grass roots”.

    It’s basically comment spoofing.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  127. AstroTurf fits, as such faked posts are designed to fake a grassroots vigilantist uproar, inspired by Bks critics, that has otherwise has not appeared and is unlikely to appear to the satisfaction of Bks friends.

    But by all means, call is astro plants.

    Sarahw (f38399)

  128. Is there a legal mechanism that would permit Aaron to demand access to the computer used to create the screenshot exhibits to validate their authenticity or something?

    dbnr (3fd855)

  129. Grassy knoll. You do realize that’s talking about shooting someone, right?

    Perhaps it does if your world revolves the Kennedy clan.

    Richard Cranium (863362)

  130. I wonder if the poster gave away too much by proving they are capable of spoofing. Given the number of people willing to support K, it wouldn’t have surprised me earlier if someone else had decided to exact revenge on his behalf. However, if K is shown to use the same tactics, there is less plausible deniability.

    notmyregularlogin (cfefb2)

  131. is this wire fraud and therefore a federal crime?

    reliapundit (32879d)

  132. So I could have been commenting as Patterico this whole time? Who knew?

    Josh (ac06e6)

  133. Makes sense to me, but good luck explaining this to a semiretired and semisenile judge in Rockville, Maryland, counselor.

    Peej (2b222f)

  134. I meant IP spoofing, btw (as with the SWATing). Also feel free to delete my comments if cluing him in on his mistakes is a problem..

    notmyregularlogin (cfefb2)

  135. Patterico, what you need to do is have your backend code rewrite the client IP address into the HTML TITLE tag, eg: Patterico’s Pontifications *85.93.218.204* Strong Circumstantial Evidence…

    At the very least I’d bet you’d see the screenshots start to exclude the window title.

    Better yet, be sneaky and embed it into the sidebar. You should be able to get a script whipped up pretty quick that could generate a hidden “watermark” on the fly given the IP address as a parameter.

    Scott (0a7c3f)

  136. notmyregularlogin, in order to engage in a connection that actually results in traffic back and forth, one can not engage in IP spoofing in the usual sense. You can send a packet that has an IP address that is not yours but the reply packet will not come back to you and you will not be able to complete the connection setup. IP spoofing is generally used when you are simply sending a flood of packets to someone and want to disguise the origin. Often the source IP you use is the real target of the attack because they get hammered with the reply packets.

    In this case an open proxy was used. What such a proxy will do is act like a relay. Imagine I wanted to send you a letter but wanted to disguise my real address. I send the letter to a third party who takes the letter out of the envelope and puts it into a new envelope with their return address. The letter looks like it originated with them. Now the replay comes back to them, they take it out of the envelope and put it in a new one addressed to you and you get the reply.

    With TCP/IP, every packet sent must be acknowledged.

    But the proxy might also not be listening on port 80, it might be open on a different port.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  137. Kimberlin then provides this screenshot as Exhibit F:

    LOL, dude, that doesn’t even SOUND like your wordings. It’s way too roundabout.

    IGotBupkis, Purveyor of Fine Cynicism Since 2008 (aacc3d)

  138. Perhaps it does if your world revolves the Kennedy clan

    LOL, no, not to support any of the rest of the idiocy, but there’s really NO QUESTION the meme of
    “grassy knoll” has entered the lexicon of traditional, widespread memes as a ref to Kennedy in Dallas. I grant some clueless types might not know it but most would know it well.

    IGotBupkis, Purveyor of Fine Cynicism Since 2008 (aacc3d)

  139. I used a geolocation site to look up the IP address. It’s listed as an anonymous proxy. (Google “geolocate IP” for a number of such services).

    So, Kimberlin’s theory is that you posted in your own name, on your own site, from your own computer, and scrubbed your IP address? Obviously, supports the theory that Kimberlin or one of his associates made the post, since they’d have good reason to prevent the post from being traceable.

    asdf (524517)

  140. That ip address does indeed show up in a list of TORMAP ips, one of the top hits on Bing. There was a post recently about one of BK’s associates advocating the use of VMs and TOR to avoid exposing one’s online persona, but I can’t recall where I read that.

    pz (7b8ef9)

  141. Neal Rauhauser talked extensively about using TOR.

    Patterico (da8bfd)

  142. Like pretty much any democrat anymore, Brett is a juvenile distempered hypocritical violent intolerant extremist liar. And a racist to boot.

    glitchus (7758c0)

  143. so kimberlin gets a peace order saying you cant make blog comments that threaten him. Then he makes the threatening comments himself, as an imposter, and then charges you with making the threats. Pretty good racket, if you can find an idiot jusge, that know nothing about the internet, to then beleive these faked threats are something real.

    richard40 (19a56d)


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