Patterico's Pontifications

6/17/2012

Rodney King Dies

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:15 am

At 47.

158 Comments

  1. If the cameraman hit PLAY 15-30 seconds sooner we wouldn’t know the name Rodney King today.

    Comment by CrustyB (d4da92) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:19 am

  2. He’s the father of three. Pray for them and their futures.

    Comment by Icy (a3c527) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:24 am

  3. Every time I hear the name Rodney King, I am instantly reminded of Reginald Denny and say a prayer for him. His unprovoked savage beating was one of the most horrific things I have ever seen on television.

    Can we all just get along?, indeed.

    Comment by Dana (4eca6e) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:28 am

  4. Amen, Dana.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:34 am

  5. Remember that the second jury, under pressure to find someone guilty of something, still found that all but the final six blows were justified.

    He later said he was just headed home after drinking, but the direction he was driving and his behavior on the tape aren’t consistent with that. The first jury knew he was headed towards their homes, and were grateful to the police for having stopped him before he got there.

    Comment by Milhouse (312124) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:34 am

  6. Icy,

    I didn’t see the mention of children at the sites I went to. If there are, then you are so right – they need our prayers. Especially losing him on Father’s Day.

    Comment by Dana (4eca6e) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:35 am

  7. ________________________________________________

    If the cameraman hit PLAY 15-30 seconds sooner

    And now, 20 years later, we have the matter of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. Sort of deja vu or “Groundhog Day” all over again.

    I guess the ideological-sociological dilemmas this society often finds itself stuck with will never be truly resolved and will linger forever.

    Comment by Mark (7154e5) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:45 am

  8. And now, 20 years later, we have the matter of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin

    Don’t think that connection won’t be made by the Zimmerman haters.

    Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:50 am

  9. The pool was racist!

    Comment by Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:54 am

  10. Al Campanis’ ghost,
    wherever he may be, smug,
    says “I told you so.”

    (too soon?)

    Comment by carlitos (49ef9f) — 6/17/2012 @ 10:58 am

  11. 47 is very young. Was he in bad health?

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:01 am

  12. 47 is very young. Was he in bad health?

    He was on something 20 years ago. Those substances don’t tend to do good things to your heart.

    Comment by Milhouse (312124) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:14 am

  13. He was on that dreadful charlatan Drew Pinsky’s rehab show so must have had some issues with drugs or alcohol.

    Comment by Gazzer (de5d05) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:16 am

  14. He was older than Breitbart, no?

    Comment by Chol (7e7b51) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:18 am

  15. Dana (comment 3),

    Do you remember also that Reginald was saved by a black onlooker, that his attackers asked for his forgiveness on public TV, and that Reginald forgave them, AND said he understood why they did what they did?

    Unlike the unrepentant police officers, all the participants in the Reginald incident took responsibility and behaved in a classy manner. Reginald, of course, the most so.

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (7e7b51) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:20 am

  16. I didn’t realize how young he was back in 1991.

    Comment by Harrison (916bde) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:21 am

  17. He was found floating in a swimming pool. Sources say he had been drinking and smoking weed in the hours before that. (Drudge)

    Comment by elissa (5620ba) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:46 am

  18. people tried very hard to nationalize the LA riots in theme and scope, but it was very very much an LA thing, huh

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:48 am

  19. Comment 17, While that may be true, all I see on Drudge is a link to TMZ, that makes no mention of what he had been doing last night/early morning

    Comment by Chol (7e7b51) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:49 am

  20. he probably had a prescription for that weed elissa

    it’s an LA thing

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:49 am

  21. “…all the participants in the Reginald incident took responsibility and behaved in a classy manner.”

    Yeah, when I think of people who attack and beat people for no reason whatsoever, class is the first word that pops into my mind.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:50 am

  22. Look again Chol. It’s there. Under his picture and in the story. His fiance is one of the sources.

    Comment by elissa (5620ba) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:52 am

  23. all the participants in the Reginald incident took responsibility and behaved in a classy manner.

    Pulling someone from their vehicle and beating him senseless has now been redefined as classy

    Comment by JD (9f41b2) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:53 am

  24. If you’re going to be drunk and high, stay on soft carpets and near soft sofas. Keep away from furniture with sharp corners, hard surfaces, pools and bathtubs.

    May he rest in peace. He was more sinned against than sinning. He did not start the LA riots — it was animals who used him as an excuse.

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:54 am

  25. Comment 21:

    In reference to their actions after the incident. Also in comparison to the actions of others, again after the incident. One can do something wrong, and then repent, in a sincere (and classy) manner.

    Or do you believe that no one should be forgiven their actions, and that any bad you ever do defines you forever, regardless of why or if and how you repent?

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (7e7b51) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:54 am

  26. Comment 23: That is not what I said. Please do not put words in my mouth. See my comment 25

    Thank you, Chol

    Comment by Chol (7e7b51) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:54 am

  27. Comment 24,

    Animals? Wow. At least you are upfront.

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (7e7b51) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:55 am

  28. Elissa comment 22, indeed it is there. I missed it.

    Regardless of the marijuana, drinking all day will lead you to pass out, and passing out in a pool is not good.

    thanks,

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (7e7b51) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:57 am

  29. Can’t we all just get along?

    Comment by Gazzer (de5d05) — 6/17/2012 @ 11:58 am

  30. Or do you believe that no one should be forgiven their actions, and that any bad you ever do defines you forever, regardless of why or if and how you repent?

    Chol

    Comment by Chol — 6/17/2012 @ 11:54 am

    Repentance is nice. Everyone of my clients cried tears of repentance at their sentencing hearings. But undoing the harm to the victim …?

    Comment by nk (875f57) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:05 pm

  31. Dana, the wiki says he was a father of three

    Comment by Icy (a3c527) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:07 pm

  32. Rodney King Dies – At 47.

    What!??

    Too soon.

    He had all kinds of problems.

    He was found floating in a swimming pool. Sources say he had been drinking and smoking weed in the hours before that. (Drudge)

    And maybe also some prescription drugs?

    Drowned in a swimming pool. My comment: If the same thing had happened 20 or even 10 years ago, it probably wouldn’t have happened. With age, reflexes slow down, maybe a person doesn’t wake up in time, possible heart attack too.

    Whitney Houston’s daughter seems to have done the same thing as her mother did a day before. But she didn’t die.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (8a20da) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:08 pm

  33. “Henry Keith “Kiki” Watson was a 27-year-old former U.S. Marine and an ex-convict who had served time for robbery. After his release from prison, he married, had children and was working two jobs. According to Williams, Watson was known around the neighborhood as a “gentleman”. After he was freed from jail in 1993, he appeared on the Phil Donahue show and apologized to Denny for the attacks. Later, he would serve three years in prison for a narcotics conviction.”–wiki

    Definitely my idea of a classy guy.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:11 pm

  34. “Don’t think that connection won’t be made by the Zimmerman haters.”

    Yeah, Zimmerman is a classy guy kinda like the guys who beat up on Reginald Denny.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:17 pm

  35. Al Campanis reference, LOL!

    Comment by Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:25 pm

  36. Comment 34

    In my experience it is these emotional, racially charged, incidents cause many people to reveal their true colors, they just cant help themselves.

    I came upon this site googling around about Rodney’s early death. Had to make a comment to Dana, just got me upset. But I see it is just going to be more and more of it….

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (a2ce77) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:26 pm

  37. ________________________________________________

    it’s an LA thing

    And probably an Oakland and Detroit thing too, per below, and one which appears to cross all sort of political boundaries—IOW, we’re pretty much all guilty of “limousine liberalism.”

    Los Angeles being host to two of the largest riots in American history during a span of 40 years may have damaged its reputation, if not forever than for a very long time.

    theatlanticcities.com, April 2012:

    There’s evidence of a distinct partisan divide when it comes to Americans’ opinions about cities.

    According to the results of a “cities favorability” poll released last week by Public Policy Polling (PPP), Republicans were significantly less positive than Democrats when asked if they had favorable or unfavorable opinions of 21 prominent urban areas in the United States. The automated survey questioned 900 Americans.

    A majority of Democrats gave an unfavorable rating to only two of the places on the list: Detroit and Oakland. Republicans, in contrast, were sour on eight of the metros: Miami, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Oakland, Los Angeles, and Detroit.

    Everybody seems able to agree on the Pacific Northwest: Overall, the most popular cities in the poll were Seattle (57 percent positive, 14 percent negative, with the rest “not sure”) and Portland, Oregon (52 percent positive, 12 percent negative).

    At the bottom of the pile were Detroit (22-49), Oakland (21-39), and L.A. (33-40).

    The survey also revealed that women had a more favorable view of the 21 cities than men, rating only Oakland and Detroit negatively, while men gave a thumbs-down to D.C., Oakland, L.A., and Detroit.

    Comment by Mark (7154e5) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:28 pm

  38. Mark, I would note the the bottom 3 are seen as:
    Detroit — predominately black
    Oakland — predominately black
    LA — predominately mexican, with a lot of blacks too

    Presonally I don’t find it surprising that many in the Republican party would have a negative view of such cities, given their perceived racial make up.

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (a2ce77) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:32 pm

  39. when all this was happening it was on nightline every night with “ted koppel” that’s how much of a thing it was

    “ted koppel” talked to a bloody blood and a crippy crip and said “if you can’t control the kids, who can?”

    And the bloody blood, whose name is “bone,” says hey we need more government monies like the savings and loans got.

    This was before the healing had started.

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:36 pm

  40. We’ve gotta get the troll door on this blog fixed…

    Comment by Gazzer (de5d05) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:37 pm

  41. ________________________________________________

    I don’t find it surprising that many in the Republican party would have a negative view of such cities, given their perceived racial make up.

    Interesting you should emphasize race or ethnicity when concluding that’s why Republicans cite the cities they do — even though that includes the non-black/Latino bastions of Vegas and San Francisco — since it’s Democrats who narrow their disdain to only Oakland and Detroit.

    Comment by Mark (7154e5) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:41 pm

  42. http://www.sbsun.com/ci_20874945/rodney-king-whose-videotaped-beating-by-police-led

    This is the local paper’s report.

    His fiance found him at the bottom of a backyard pool in Rialto, CA and called paramedics. He was pronounced dead at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center, which is the San Bernardino County hospital in nearby Colton, CA.

    There’s a picture of the pool in the article.

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:45 pm

  43. Mark,

    Having lived in Las Vegas, I think it is very Latino. And would imagine it is perceived as such. The only city on the list that I would imagine not city dwellers perceive as not mainly black or latino (or both) is San Francisco.

    But anyway, I guess we are getting off the topic of Rodney etc.

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (a2ce77) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:46 pm

  44. Presonally I don’t find it surprising that many in the Republican party would have a negative view of such cities, given their perceived racial make up.

    We are all shocked that you suspect conservatives are racists. Can you not image a dislike of what those cities have become based on what led to their demise, that had nothing to do with race?

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:49 pm

  45. The World is now a better place.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:52 pm

  46. *hugs*

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:54 pm

  47. Chol,

    I would say that most Republicans dislike the politics in the cities you mentioned. As far as the cities themselves and the people living in them, I doubt if most republicans have the negative view you project on them.

    I happen to live in the LA area; though not actually in the city. There are a lot of local and prominent figures in LA and its environs who don’t happen to be liberals. In fact, the LA-San Diego area for the most part is the more conservative region of the state. LA and several other regional cities with liberal leaning governments happen to also be the cities with the most problems. I live in one of those liberal leaning cities, and it’s the politics that contribute to the problems.

    Consider LA, for example. LA is replete with gangs, drugs, prostitution, murders, theft and carnage of all kinds, yet the city focuses its energy on such trivial matters such as whether grocery stores should carry plastic bags. How is that helping the city with its gargantuan crime problems in any way?

    Beautiful and vibrant city; ugly and destructive politics.

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:56 pm

  48. Comment 44

    What is it that “those cities” have “become”? And why have they had a “demise”?

    I never said a thing about conservatives, I was talking about the Republican party, which I perceive (correct me if I am wrong) as being made up of 50% or more white people who don’t live in cities. In other words, white suburbanites. And, yes, I believe many of those people have negative views of cities based largely on their perception that those cities are “over run” with blacks and latinos, which means (to them) they have “become” places that have “demised”.

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (a2ce77) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:56 pm

  49. Comment 47: I live in LA, actual LA. Just FYI.

    I don’t get these two comments of yours:
    1) “LA is replete with gangs, drugs, prostitution, murders, theft and carnage of all kinds”
    2) “Beautiful and vibrant city”

    Which is it? Or are you saying it is both?

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (a2ce77) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:58 pm

  50. Comment 45, why do you say that? Why is it good for the world that Rodney died?

    Comment by Chol (a2ce77) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:59 pm

  51. If the cameraman hit PLAY 15-30 seconds sooner.

    And now, 20 years later, we have the matter of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

    I guess the ideological-sociological dilemmas this society often finds itself stuck with will never be truly resolved and will linger forever.

    Comment by Mark — 6/17/2012 @ 10:45 am

    More importantly, the LA riots and which got several people killed and others seriously injured which followed the trial were a direct result of the Media’s intentional failure and irresponsible behavior to push facts which did not exist.

    The media remains completely irresponsible.

    Comment by Joe (7d2b57) — 6/17/2012 @ 12:59 pm

  52. Presonally I don’t find it surprising that many in the Republican party would have a negative view of such cities, given their perceived racial make up.

    Chol

    Comment by Chol

    Don’t be an idiot.

    I live in San Jose and work in San Francisco. Oakland is impossibly badly governed (it’s finest moment in the last twenty years was when Jerry Brown, of all people, was mayor), has shootings in the main tourist and business areas, has the most violent and out-of-control Occupests in the country (murder, drugs, filth, rioting, attacking police, attacking small business, climbing on trucks at the port….), and has absolutely appalling signage (no one at all can figure out where he’s going). Still, at least Oakland is pretty, with those hills and the Bay.

    Detroit is a wasteland, depopulated, with bears starting to nose around its periphery.

    LA – smoggy, dirty, poorly governed, and frequently violent. If you read the LA Times, there are many, many stories about random violence.

    Comment by Dianna (f12db5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:09 pm

  53. ____________________________________________

    And, yes, I believe many of those people have negative views of cities based largely on their perception that those cities are “over run” with blacks and latinos,

    Chol, for your enlightenment, I post the following.

    Dailycaller.com, March 2011:

    Looking back over eighteen General Social Surveys [conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago] since 1975, in every one those who wanted smaller government had significantly more education than the rest of the public, measured both by mean years of education and by mean highest final educational degree… Typically, the well educated are less racist than the general public.

    Social scientists usually measure traditional racism against African Americans by looking at the survey responses of white Americans only. Among whites in the latest General Social Survey (2008), only 4.5% of small-government advocates express the view that “most Blacks/African-Americans have less in-born ability to learn,” compared to 12.3% of those who favor bigger government or take a middle position expressing this racist view.

    But advocates of smaller government can be found among Democrats and Independents as well as Republicans. What happens if we compare Republicans who think Washington is doing too much with those who think that government should do more or take a middle position? The relationships I’ve just described only get stronger.

    [A]mong whites, Republican advocates of smaller government are even less racist (1.3% believing that blacks have less in-born ability) than the rest of the general public (11.3% expressing racist views). Thus, in 2008 Republicans who believe that the government in Washington does too much have 10 times higher odds of not expressing racist views on the in-born ability question than the rest of the population (79-to-1 odds v. 7.9-to-1 odds).

    What about conservative Republicans more generally, not just the ones who want a smaller government? Surely they must be more racist. Actually not. In 2008, only 5.4% of white conservative Republicans expressed racist views on the in-born ability question, compared to 10.3% of the rest of the white population.

    [T]his same pattern holds for white Democrats compared to white Republicans: in 2008 12.3% of white Democrats in the U.S. believed that African Americans were born with less ability, compared to only 6.6% of white Republicans.

    And 2008 wasn’t an aberration. In sixteen surveys from 1977 through 2008, overall white Republicans were significantly less racist on the in-born ability question than white Democrats (13.3% to 17.3%), and white conservative Republicans were significantly less racist than other white Americans (11.7% to 14.7%)

    Another traditional racism question — on segregated neighborhoods — was asked on fifteen General Social Surveys from 1972 through 1996. Though the percentage of white Democrats and white Republicans who slightly or strongly agreed that “White people have a right to keep Blacks out of their neighborhoods” did not differ significantly in any one survey, overall white Democrats were significantly more likely to support segregated neighborhoods than white Republicans (30.4% to 26.3%).

    Again, I’ll point out to you that the Public Policy poll on people’s perceptions of American cities notes that for Democrat-registered respondents, ONLY Detroit and Oakland were singled out negatively by them.

    Comment by Mark (7154e5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:09 pm

  54. The only people I’ve met who care about race are urban liberals, many of whom make it their sole focus.

    Comment by Dianna (f12db5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:11 pm

  55. Comment 52:

    You don’t need to call me an “idiot”, if you want to address me in a conversation please don’t do so. If you just want to rant and don’t want any response or thought, I guess go ahead…. though I don’t like it.

    Oakland is pretty, and does have its problems… but I don’t find it as bad as you describe.

    As for LA, I live there, and where I live is not smoggy nor dirty, nor do I find most LA to be so. Certainly there are dirty areas, as in any city. Today for example is a beautiful blue sky day, and I see no smog from Downtown to ocean. Crime in LA is way down. And no, I don’t see “many many” stories about random violence.

    If that is your perception, I doubt I can change it. But I can tell you, that in my experience and opinion, you are wrong.

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (a2ce77) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:15 pm

  56. Comment 54:

    You need to meet more people… lol ;-)

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (a2ce77) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:16 pm

  57. _______________________________________________

    The only people I’ve met who care about race are urban liberals

    Epitomized by none other than Barack and Michelle Obama. The former — who said that if he had a son, he’d look like Trayvon Martin — chose to send his own daughters to private schools in both Chicago and now Washington DC. IOW, not to public schools, where perhaps the student body would be chock full of those who look like his would-be son, but to schools with a student body a bit different from that.

    Limousine liberals, ya gotta love ‘em.

    Comment by Mark (7154e5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:18 pm

  58. In my experience it is these emotional, racially charged, incidents cause many people to reveal their true colors, they just cant help themselves.

    I came upon this site googling around about Rodney’s early death. Had to make a comment to Dana, just got me upset. But I see it is just going to be more and more of it….

    Chol,

    You know nothing about me and yet it would appear that in spite of that you assumed a certain stereotypical point of view and/or motive in my comment at 3. Perhaps next time, it would be better to be better informed and familiar with commenters before jumping to conclusions.

    If I have misread your comments (which it doesn’t appear I have), please feel free to correct me. It’s not pleasant to be misread.

    Comment by Dana (4eca6e) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:19 pm

  59. Comment 57

    Mark,

    was Obama incorrect? If so, what would his son look like? Not like Trayvon at all?

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (64270f) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:22 pm

  60. Chol – I called you an idiot because immediately attributing things to “racism” is a tiresome and idiotic thing to do.

    Let’s be clear: I’ve lived in the Bay Area for over 30 years. I’m painfully aware of how bad Oakland is, and trying to pretend it’s not is ridiculous. There was a shoot-out not ten years ago in front of the State office building! There are shootings (not all that often, for which all of us are grateful) in Jack London Square. The last time I attended an event in that area…oh, never mind. Suffice to say I was both saddened and a little shocked by some of what I saw.

    It’s not because Oakland has a lot of black residents that it’s a mess. It’s because it’s horribly governed.

    Comment by Dianna (f12db5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:24 pm

  61. “incidents cause many people to reveal their true colors, they just cant help themselves.”

    I’ll say. chol was “upset” because Dana was revolted by the Reginald Denny beating.

    Comment by Gary Rosen (afeaef) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:25 pm

  62. Comment 58

    Dana,

    You are correct. I perceived a motive in your comment about Reginald in this post on Rodney. Namely that you wanted to take the focus away from Rodney, a black victim of racism and racist police brutality and a racist system, and instead focus on what happened later to Reginald, while not mentioning any of the context including what happened later with Reginald himself saying that he understood the actions of his attackers, etc…

    Certainly if I misunderstood / made an incorrect assumption, you may correct me and tell me what your motivation was.

    Thank you,

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (64270f) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:25 pm

  63. Comment 60

    What did I attribute to racism? Perceptions of certain cities by white suburbanites?

    I would agree that politics is part of Oakland’s problem.

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (64270f) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:27 pm

  64. Comment 61

    Incorrect. That is not why I was upset. See Comment 62.

    Comment by Chol (64270f) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:28 pm

  65. _______________________________________________

    yet the city focuses its energy on such trivial matters such as whether grocery stores should carry plastic bags

    Moreover, they’re too foolish to be aware of or truly care how much damage apparently has been done to the city’s reputation due to it being far too closely associated with gangbangers and the places (often slums) they hang out in. That damage must be quite significant, too, since LA, at the same time, does have the advantage over most other cities of publicity (generally positive) generated by its connections to the entertainment industry, particularly involving major TV shows and specials, and media advertising.

    Comment by Mark (7154e5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:30 pm

  66. “Presonally I don’t find it surprising that many in the Republican party would have a negative view of such cities, given their perceived racial make up”

    Responding to a post in which Mark said:

    “A majority of Democrats gave an unfavorable rating to only two of the places on the list: Detroit and Oakland.”

    Agenda much, chol? If you had an IQ you might do a better job of it.

    Comment by Gary Rosen (afeaef) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:30 pm

  67. Mark, I would note the the bottom 3 are seen as:

    Detroit — predominately Democrat

    Oakland — predominately Democrat

    LA — predominately Democrat

    FTFY

    Naturally, all three places are total hellholes that only a complete psycho would set foot in.

    That’s true of all cities, IMO, but especially ones populated by and run by Democrats.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:31 pm

  68. Comment 66

    Agenda? I do have an opinion, sorry if that upsets you. Please do not insult me with comments like this (about the IQ) if you want to have a conversation. If you don’t want to have a conversation, but just want to rant…. I won’t stop you, or engage…

    Thanks,

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (64270f) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:33 pm

  69. Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa applauded President Obama for “doing what’s right by our values” after the administration announced it would halt deportations for some illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children,a priority for Latino voters.

    is that really a priority for Latino voters, LA Times? You remember reporting this the other day?

    Friday’s dismal job report included some bleak figures for black and Latino workers, which were harder hit by the economic recession and continue to struggle in regaining their footing in the labor market.

    Black unemployment now stands at 13.6%, up from 13% the month before; for Latinos, the unemployment rate rose to 11% from 10.3% in April.

    so hispanic unemployment is skyrocketing and president food stamp is now making it even harder for US citizens to find jobs and you really think hispanics in LA what can vote are super-worried about… halting deportations?

    You’re an idiot. Villaraigosa is a whore. President Food Stamp is desperate.

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:34 pm

  70. Comment 67 makes my point very well.

    Chol

    Comment by Chol (64270f) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:34 pm

  71. Oh, god, it’s a troll, and he’s going to tie us all up claiming he didn’t stereotype anyone, good heavens, no!, but we have, and so we must be (wait for it!) raaaaacists!

    Enough. Just…enough. Rodney King was a not very bright guy who got into trouble a lot. The beating which so appalled people was not what the general public was told; the first trial probably reached a reasonable verdict. The riots were a tragic outcome.

    No poor truck driver should be dragged from his truck and beaten to within an inch of his life for absolutely nothing he did. The people who did that – even if their remorse was genuine – committed a terrible act and deserve to be roundly, without mincing words, condemned.

    Rodney King never quite managed to straighten out his life, and died. It’s sad, but it happens all too often to people who simply can’t get on track. That’s all there is to it. Racism does not apply.

    I’m going to go sit outside in a nice, shady swing and read a book. Maybe by the time I get too damned hot to bear it, chol will have gone home.

    Comment by Dianna (f12db5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:37 pm

  72. ________________________________________________

    If so, what would his son look like? Not like Trayvon at all?

    And in an alternative universe, if Trayvon were a staunch conservative, would Obama have been quite so comfortable in attaching his image to the teenager? So to the left, superficial qualities of a person (eg, Trayvon’s looks) only count when he or she also is of the left and/or — most crucially of all — being rallied around by, or currying favor from, liberals?

    Keep in mind that if liberalism or leftism were a race or ethnicity, that would be the only race (or “race”) or ethnicity that many liberals would care about or get excited about.

    Comment by Mark (7154e5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:37 pm

  73. Chol, I said the World is a better place because of his lack of presence, not that it is “good” that he died.
    It would have been “best” if he had never been paroled, as his presence in this World has never been a positive influence.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:38 pm

  74. chol, try dealing with comment 1 – namely, King was not just idly ambling down the street at the time.

    Comment by Gary Rosen (afeaef) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:38 pm

  75. Rodney led a life of crime, and died (most likely) breaking a law or two, as that is what those with a criminal bent do.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:41 pm

  76. chol 68, you didn’t respond to my point and you never will because it shows what a fraud you are – namely that *Democrats* put two very black-identified cities, Detroit and Oakland at the bottom of their list while you are idiotically trying to play the race card on Republicans. Thanks for playing, sorry you lost. Well, I’ll be honest and say I’m not really that sorry.

    Comment by Gary Rosen (afeaef) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:41 pm

  77. Comment 71
    You misread me I think… don’t be so upset

    Comment 72
    So the president was correct; if he had a son he would look like Trayvon. But stating this fact was bad… because?

    Comment 73
    Not really a difference, and a terrible thing to say. (In my view) God put rodney here and saying the world would be better if he hadn’t been put here is both unChristian and mean.

    Comment 74
    Oh I don’t wanna replay the Rodney trial again in 2012….. By now people who have strong opinions have them, have them for a reason, and won’t change them for any reason.

    Chol

    Comment by Choll (fce22b) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:46 pm

  78. Whoa! From the looks of the steady parade of trolls you’re gettin’ to ‘em, Patrick. Keep it up.

    Comment by creeper (f1f686) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:46 pm

  79. Well, I guess someone blocked me.

    Proves my points and my opinions. Good day.

    [goes away saddened by the state of some people]

    Chol

    Comment by Choll (fce22b) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:47 pm

  80. __________________________________________________

    Naturally, all three places are total hellholes that only a complete psycho would set foot in.

    Dave, going beyond the purely local or North American only, it will be interesting to see what happens to France over the next few years — and, in turn, the world — as its recent lurch to the left moves it that much closer to becoming a bigger version of Greece, Venezuela or Argentina, or truly an ideological soul mate to cities like Detroit, Oakland and LA.

    Comment by Mark (7154e5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:47 pm

  81. Yes,

    I am saying it is both. Why is that difficult to grasp?

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:51 pm

  82. _____________________________________________

    But stating this fact was bad… because?

    Only because it fit his leftist impulses and desires.

    I bet when it came to, say, the controversy surrounding Clarence Thomas back in the early 1990s, Obama probably mused: “I’m ashamed that a guy like that has a skin color similar to mine. Is there a way that my melatonin can be removed from my body?!!”

    Comment by Mark (7154e5) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:52 pm

  83. i am as saddened by the flouncing departure of “Chol” as i am the unlamented death of the serial drunk driver known as Rodney “PCP” King.

    no great loss either way.

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:55 pm

  84. The death of Rodney is just a distraction from a critical development that will affect everyone in one form or another when Greece defaults and leaves the Euro, probably causing the collapse of at least the Spanish economy, and perhaps that of Italy as well.
    James Pethokoukis expounds…

    http://blog.american.com/2012/06/greek-election-results-what-they-mean-for-greece-the-euro-the-eu-and-beyond/

    To me, this is the tell….
    “…During the past three years, Greece’s GDP has contracted by 16%. Unemployment has risen to 22%. The economy is on track to shrink another 7% this year…”

    Now, with Greek voters rejecting austerity, matters can only get worse.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 1:59 pm

  85. Is Chol Random? That did a flounce off too.

    Comment by Gazzer (de5d05) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:05 pm

  86. Chol

    Comment by Chol (a3c527) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:13 pm

  87. He “flounced off” without picking up his marbles…
    Oh, wait….He never had any marbles, did he?

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:14 pm

  88. Chol’s looking for race in all the wrong places
    Looking for race in too many faces
    Searching their posts, looking for traces
    Of what.. he’s.. thinking of…

    Comment by elissa (5620ba) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:16 pm

  89. Just another race-obsessed Leftist.
    Probably lives in some nice, comfortable, secure, gated neighborhood over on L.A.’s so conservative West-Side.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:23 pm

  90. Nobody blocked Chol.

    You all are just too stupid to think it was calling you racists when it only implied that you were racists.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:23 pm

  91. Chol proves that no one is too stupid to comment at PP.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:25 pm

  92. “Now, with Greek voters rejecting austerity, matters can only get worse.”

    And austerity was working so well for them!

    Comment by sheldon (77ac66) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:26 pm

  93. Bottom line:

    Oakland is a craphiole because Democrats outnumber Republicans ten to one.

    All cities suck (too many people in too small of an area), but Oakland really sucks. Rampant crime and violence, filth and squalor…the usual benfits of a place that has the misfortune to have suffered from a long period of Democrat Party control.

    It’s like Mississippi…only much more crowded.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:31 pm

  94. “I was talking about the Republican party, which I perceive (correct me if I am wrong) as being made up of 50% or more white people who don’t live in cities. In other words, white suburbanites. And, yes, I believe many of those people have negative views of cities based largely on their perception that those cities are “over run” with blacks and latinos, which means (to them) they have “become” places that have ‘demised’.”

    He’s probably already gone, but let’s break this down:

    “50% or more of Republicans are white who don’t live in cities.”

    This is probably true. It would probably also be true that 50% or more of Democrats are also white, so whatever point is meant by this is diminished significantly by the fact that whites are the racial majority of Americans. Blacks make up around 20%, while Hispanics are even less (though not so in CA).

    50% or more of Democrats probably do live in large cities and suburban areas. There’s no correlation; however, with the numbers of Democrats living in urban/suburban areas and their racial views; the same goes for Republicans. There’s no argument here.

    “In other words, white suburbanites.” And Dems are different because? Or more importantly, this would make Republicans racist because………?

    “And, yes, I believe many of those people have negative views of cities based largely on their perception that those cities are “over run” with blacks and latinos, which means (to them) they have “become” places that have ‘demised’.”

    Ah!!!!! Because of a dim-brained perception; nothing else.

    Notice the emotional nature of the non-argument? Notice that there’s not a shred of related facts presented? Just unrelated pseudo-data presented as premise.

    I’m new here, but if trolls like this keep coming, I think I’m headed for some great times debunking. I like debunking.

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:32 pm

  95. if trolls like this keep coming

    Don’t worry. They will.

    Comment by Dustin (330eed) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:34 pm

  96. Sterling leadership in Oakland….
    Jerry Brown: Mayor of Oakland (1999–2007).

    Bringing Oakland’s values to California as a whole.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:34 pm

  97. sheldon, the Greeks have yet to observe any “austerity”, and they’re in Depression now.

    We can look to our own history as to what happens when you embrace (1920-1921), and when you ignore (1929-1938), austerity.

    Of course, we’re currently still ignoring austerity, and we can all see that our economy is performing so fine because of it (snark).

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:37 pm

  98. “sheldon, the Greeks have yet to observe any “austerity”, and they’re in Depression now.”

    They’ve been increasing taxes and enacting spending cuts for a while now. It’s gotten them this far, if only they tried it a bit more…

    Comment by sheldon (77ac66) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:44 pm

  99. Sheldon aka you know who seems pretty intent on derailing several threads.

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:48 pm

  100. YOU CAN SPEND YOUR WAY OUT OF BANKRUPTCY !!!!

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:50 pm

  101. If AD whatever doesn’t want to talk about greece then he doesn’t have to bring it up.

    Comment by sheldon (77ac66) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:51 pm

  102. 100- It’s the California way!

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:51 pm

  103. So, have we settled on “Sheldon” at least for the day?

    Comment by JD (318f81) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:53 pm

  104. sheldon, I think Greece is on course to bring down the Euro, and several other EC economies/governments along with it – and demonstrating to the World that the Blue-model is not just a disaster, but a prescription to chaos.
    Remember, it is not Conservatives that wish us to emulate the European Social Model.
    And, it is interesting isn’t it, that the only EC economy capable of “bailing out” the wayward children of Europe, is an economy that prides itself on a certain degree of frugality, and a lot of hard work, painfully learned from their own history.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:55 pm

  105. JD, just another troll who has no respect for, or learning of, history.
    Therefore, all the trendy theories of a better world seem so unique and doable, even though history demonstrates that they are neither.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (2bb434) — 6/17/2012 @ 2:58 pm

  106. “Remember, it is not Conservatives that wish us to emulate the European Social Model.”

    The Germans spend more of their GDP on social programs than the greeks. I would not advocate emulating the ECB, but within the Euro, the Germans seem to be able to have a high wage high social model economy just fine.

    Comment by sheldon (77ac66) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:05 pm

  107. Germany is vastly more dependent on exportings than we are for growth… and it helps them a LOT that their auto industry isn’t infested with filthy fat-ass united autoworkers

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:09 pm

  108. greeks aren’t germans, sheldon.

    Comment by SPQR (491752) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:09 pm

  109. “Oakland is pretty, and does have its problems… but I don’t find it as bad as you describe.”

    Montclair or Piedmont are okay, if you don’t mind being packed in like a sardines in a can.

    I don’t think you would find living in the Bottoms or in East Oakland around 98th Avenue too salubrious.

    I used to live there…and those neighborhoods ain’t too nice, unless you enjoy rampant crime and violence, plentiful filth and squalor, and stuff like that.

    Of course, there is easy access to hookers and crack cocaine, so if that’s your thing, East Oakland might just be your paradise on earth.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:13 pm

  110. He was more sinned against than sinning.

    I don’t think so. The first jury didn’t think he was sinned against at all. Even the second one, with all the pressure on it, found that only the last six blows were unjustified. That’s not much of a sin.

    He did not start the LA riots — it was animals who used him as an excuse.

    This is true; nobody holds him responsible for that. When he chose to fight the policemen who had properly stopped him, he assumed responsibility for the reasonably foreseeable consequence that they would forcefully subdue him and he’d get hurt; a race riot was not a reasonably foreseeable consequence, and it’s not his fault. Each of the animals who participated in the riot was a moral actor, and made an independent decision to fight for evil instead of abstaining or fighting for good. But none of this absolves King of his wrongs. A burglar who broke into a house on 11-Sep-2001 is not absolved by the fact that a much greater crime was committed on the same day.

    Comment by Milhouse (2e50ab) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:15 pm

  111. Comment 24,

    Animals? Wow. At least you are upfront.

    What else should they be called? By their actions they showed that they were not human.

    Comment by Milhouse (2e50ab) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:18 pm

  112. Mr. King is not yet in his grave so obviously he can’t roll over in it in reaction to the trajectory of his thread. But as it is, he’s probably going “Greece? WTF??”

    Comment by elissa (5620ba) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:18 pm

  113. “When he chose to fight the policemen who had properly stopped him, he assumed responsibility for the reasonably foreseeable consequence that they would forcefully subdue him and he’d get hurt;”

    Furthermore, King admitted that he was drunk and was trying to avoid a DUI by running. He also admitted that he should never have run from the police.

    It seems that even King was willing to admit his sins and move on; unlike some people who want to make it into more than it is.

    Police didn’t just pull over King for no reason. They acted appropriately in some ways and inappropriately in others for certain, but they were responding to a crime – (translate “sin”).

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:23 pm

  114. “and it helps them a LOT that their auto industry isn’t infested with filthy fat-ass united autoworkers”

    Do you think German auto workers are paid more or less than US ones?

    “greeks aren’t germans, sheldon.”

    And the reformation is not for cafeteria catholics. Thanks.

    Comment by sheldon (77ac66) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:26 pm

  115. Mark, I would note the the bottom 3 are seen as:
    Detroit — predominately black
    Oakland — predominately black
    LA — predominately mexican, with a lot of blacks too

    Presonally I don’t find it surprising that many in the Republican party would have a negative view of such cities, given their perceived racial make up.

    No, they’re seen negatively because they are objectively sh*tholes. Your observation that so many sh*tholes have similar demographics is true, and it’s extremely unlikely to be a pure coincidence, but the negative perception is because of the sh*tholeness, not because of the demographics. If you were somehow to find a place with similar demographics that was a pleasant place to live and visit, it wouldn’t have a bad reputation; and if you were to find a sh*thole of similar magnitude inhabited only by rednecks it would have a similarly bad reputation.

    Comment by Milhouse (2e50ab) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:26 pm

  116. sheldon, your comments are getting more and more incoherent.

    Comment by SPQR (26be8b) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:29 pm

  117. What is it that “those cities” have “become”? And why have they had a “demise”?

    Any honest person can see what they’ve become. Why it happened is another question, but it’s impossible that demographics had nothing to do with it.

    Comment by Milhouse (2e50ab) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:29 pm

  118. was Obama incorrect? If so, what would his son look like? Not like Trayvon at all?

    Chol

    Comment by Chol — 6/17/2012 @ 1:22 pm

    All black people look alike? No, actually, he wouldn’t look like Trayvon anymore than my children look like Brad Pitt. If he had a son, he would look like a combination of Barack and Michelle’s genes, not like the combination of Mr and Mrs Martin’s genes. Only a racist would think that they all look the same.

    Obama said that because he couldn’t come out and say, “I really don’t care about white kids like Allen Coon. He had it coming.” So he said that he cares because the kid is black. Because racism is completely acceptable on the left, as long as its the right kind of racism.

    Comment by Ghost (6f9de7) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:31 pm

  119. Mr. Sheldon fat-ass uneducated US autoworkers descend on their company like locusts and strip it bare and then beg the government for money like crack whores.

    Whereas the wise proud intelligent and fastidious german ones just build good cars everyone wants to drive.

    It’s apples and oranges.

    Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:32 pm

  120. I don’t get these two comments of yours:
    1) “LA is replete with gangs, drugs, prostitution, murders, theft and carnage of all kinds”
    2) “Beautiful and vibrant city”
    Which is it? Or are you saying it is both?

    Both are true. Mostly in different parts. But the destructive Democrat politics make even the relatively good parts pretty bad. I live in a pretty good part of Brooklyn, but the city government makes my life significantly worse than it would otherwise be. Not bad enough to make me move out, but it’s a heavy price to pay. And the government is the way it is because of how the so-called “minorities” vote.

    Comment by Milhouse (2e50ab) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:34 pm

  121. More importantly, the LA riots and which got several people killed and others seriously injured which followed the trial were a direct result of the Media’s intentional failure and irresponsible behavior to push facts which did not exist.

    Yes. The media played the most exciting few seconds of the video over and over, ignoring the rest of it, so that many people were left with the impression that 1) the whole thing looked like that, and 2) it occurred with no context. The media knew that this was false, and what was likely to happen as a result of their actions, but they didn’t care.

    Comment by Milhouse (2e50ab) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:36 pm

  122. Wow, I’m glad missed the official “THAT’S RACIST!” troll of the day.

    Comment by OmegaPaladin (a63d4d) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:39 pm

  123. suburbs aren’t cities???

    you could sure fool me. if they aren’t cities, what are they?

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:42 pm

  124. “Oakland — predominately black”

    Oakland isn’t predominantly black, btw.

    Less than 1/3 of the people in Oakland are black, and that precentage keeps falling, because black folks are moving up in the world, and a lot of them are fed up with the crime and violence and generally all around crappiness of life in Oakland, so they’re packing up and heading for the ‘burbs or other parts of the country where you ain’t risking getting your head blown off just for walking down the street.

    Just like I did.

    “Since the 1960s, Oakland has been known as a center of Northern California’s African-American community. However, between 2000 and 2010 Oakland lost nearly 25% of its black population.[98] The city demographics have changed due to a combination of gentrification along with many blacks relocating to Bay Area suburbs, or moving to the Southern United States.[99][100][101] Blacks formed a strong plurality for many years, peaking in 1980 at about 47% of the population of Oakland. Despite the decline, black residents maintain their status as Oakland’s single largest ethnic group as of 2010, at 27% of the population, followed by non-Hispanic whites at 26%, and Latinos of any race at 25%”–wiki

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:47 pm

  125. was Obama incorrect? If so, what would his son look like? Not like Trayvon at all?

    One would sincerely hope that he would not. His parents would surely bring him up better than that.

    Comment by Milhouse (2e50ab) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:50 pm

  126. “More importantly, the LA riots and which got several people killed and others seriously injured which followed the trial were a direct result of the Media’s intentional failure and irresponsible behavior to push facts which did not exist.”

    More like an indirect result of centuries of systematic oppression of folks with permanent suntans. You don’t just snap your fingers and immediately fix all the social evils caused by race-based slavery and Jim Crow. It’s going to take time for that to die down. Generations of time, I suspect.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:53 pm

  127. Was Chol a person of Choler?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:55 pm

  128. “Now, with Greek voters rejecting austerity, matters can only get worse.”

    And austerity was working so well for them!
    Comment by sheldon — 6/17/2012 @ 2:26 pm

    – umbday!

    Comment by Chol (a3c527) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:58 pm

  129. Stupid sock!

    Comment by Icy (a3c527) — 6/17/2012 @ 3:59 pm

  130. suburbs aren’t cities???
    you could sure fool me. if they aren’t cities, what are they?
    Comment by redc1c4 — 6/17/2012 @ 3:42 pm

    – Thank you! For a minute there I was worried that I might be the only one to notice. Of course the ‘burbs are cities, too.

    Comment by Icy (a3c527) — 6/17/2012 @ 4:06 pm

  131. “May he rest in peace. He was more sinned against than sinning.”

    You have to admit he was kind of a scumbag.

    “It happened in November 1989, when a penniless King marched into a store in Monterey Park, in east Los Angeles. He bought a single piece of bubble gum, then produced a two-foot- long iron bar from beneath his jacket and ordered the Korean store owner, Tae Suck Baik, to open the cash register. Baik allowed him to take the cash but, when King also tried to take some cheques, he grabbed King’s jacket and began clubbing him with a rod that he had picked up from the floor. King dropped the bar and tried to pull away. He struck the storekeeper only once, with a pole that he had found near by, before fleeing in his car with dollars 200.”–The Independent

    Not exactly Charlie Manson, but not exactly what you would call a model citizen either.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 4:10 pm

  132. Dave,
    A majority of the people who were rioting we’re young, and they had never experienced the evils of Jim Crowe.

    I understand the generational thing, and the learned distrust, and I’m not discounting the large amount of police brutality against blacks. It still happens today. But to say that the riots were about hundreds of years of oppression instead of one city’s corrupt police system is… I want to say misguided but that’s not the right word. It’s a good guess, an I’m not knocking you for it. I’m just saying, these were angry kids, pissed at cops, and however rightfully pissed they were, they decided to attack their own neighborhood, and then anyone who was white.

    It wasn’t the black owned convenience stores that were oppressing black people.

    Comment by Ghost (6f9de7) — 6/17/2012 @ 4:14 pm

  133. It wasn’t about anything but animals deciding they wanted to steal things and hurt people, and they thought they’d been given an excuse to do so.

    Comment by Milhouse (2e50ab) — 6/17/2012 @ 4:21 pm

  134. “More like an indirect result of centuries of systematic oppression of folks with permanent suntans. You don’t just snap your fingers and immediately fix all the social evils caused by race-based slavery and Jim Crow. It’s going to take time for that to die down. Generations of time, I suspect.”

    While most of us can sympathize and feel collectively shamed by the inhumane treatment of a race of people over a long period of time – much longer than the actual age of our nation, to be more precise with the slave trade specifically (One of our nation’s worst collective sins); you don’t solve the social evils by continuing to treat people collectively as victims indefinitely.

    The Rodney King case is a classic illustration. Some commenter here suggested that King was more “sinned against than sinner.” That’s the mentality that needs to change even granted the abuse he suffered. While black people are no more sinners than anyone else, they aren’t always innocent victims simply by the fact that their ancestors were greatly harmed, nor by the fact that racism still persists.

    We started shortly after abolition, and most predominantly from the 1960s onward to treat black people as a “special victim class,” and it hasn’t helped most black people one bit. And we’re damned racists if we prefer to treat them as regular human beings with the same abilities, opportunities, basic dignity and yes, responsibility as anyone else.

    Easily gained litigation creates victims. We’ve learned that. That’s why we’re working on tort reform. It’s no different when we create easily-gained compensation and sympathy for people who are no more victims than a tossed egg. Compensate and sympathize where warranted, but don’t make a whole race of people worthy of compensation and sympathy simply because of the color of their skin and the history associated with it. We then render the value of sympathy and compensation as precisely zero.

    It has taken a long time to overcome mostly because of our wrongheadedness when it comes to race; mostly egged on by guilt-ridden radical leftists who use people of races other than their own as pawns in their game, rather than as human beings.

    I could care less whether the Republican party is made up of a certain number of blacks to make us look good. Race doesn’t enter the equation for me one bit. I’m happy to have people of other races in the party, but I don’t feel guilty, nor do I notice much when they’re absent. It seems to be the radical liberal race-baiters who notice such things.

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 4:26 pm

  135. “I understand the generational thing, and the learned distrust…”

    That’s part of what caused those riots, and it’s going to take time for that to go away.

    Distrust and resentments can linger on long after the things that caused them have largely been rectified.

    Example: the attitude of southerners about Yankees because of what happened in the civil war and Reconstruction (aggravated by the dispute over Jim Crow and segregation which continued on into the 1960s).

    When I was a kid, I had relatives who were still pissed about Sherman burning our farms, and who used the word “Yankee” as a curse word.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 4:39 pm

  136. “…you don’t solve the social evils by continuing to treat people collectively as victims indefinitely.”

    You’re right about that, but you also have to be realistic about the fact that you have a sub-culture of people who have been taught, for generations, to distrust, fear and hate the system (with good reason), and that it’s going to take time for that to work itself out.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 4:47 pm

  137. “You’re right about that, but you also have to be realistic about the fact that you have a sub-culture of people who have been taught, for generations, to distrust, fear and hate the system (with good reason), and that it’s going to take time for that to work itself out.”

    Of course.

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 4:49 pm

  138. When I was a kid, I had relatives who were still pissed about Sherman burning our farms, and who used the word “Yankee” as a curse word.

    I hear ya, but that kind of generational hatred just seems crazy to me. My dad was one of those generational racists (he’s 86), until he had a heart attack while he was crossing the street. An Arab gave him CPR. That was enough to change his entire world view.

    Comment by Ghost (6f9de7) — 6/17/2012 @ 5:01 pm

  139. “I hear ya, but that kind of generational hatred just seems crazy to me. My dad was one of those generational racists (he’s 86), until he had a heart attack while he was crossing the street. An Arab gave him CPR. That was enough to change his entire world view.”

    That’s what it takes. Be a decent person, and stereotypes disappear. But some people are racist despite the contrary examples of goodness in the people they hate.

    I have an acquaintance (I hesitate to call him a friend) who is a racist and antisemite. The N word and the J word are present in practically every sentence he utters.

    I make a habit of pointing out to him people of his focus groups (blacks and Jews) who share his same political ideology (but of course not his same racial ideology). It makes no difference. Now he’s probably the isolated example referred to by liberals in the charge that conservatives or Republicans are all racists. But the fact remains that people of his ilk are more represented among Democrats and liberals than among Republicans and conservatives. The Dixiecrats were Democrats predominantly The only known Dixiecrat to switch to the Republican party was Strom Thurmond. Furthermore, Republicans in congress have the better record of voting against segregation than Democrats as recently as the early 2000s. My acquaintance is an anomaly.

    But you’ll notice that I made a distinction between political and racial ideologies. They are different. The race baiters haven’t learned the difference. So when biased generalizations carry more weight than careful scrutiny of a worldview, racism is a common charge.

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 5:20 pm

  140. You are correct. I perceived a motive in your comment about Reginald in this post on Rodney. Namely that you wanted to take the focus away from Rodney, a black victim of racism and racist police brutality and a racist system, and instead focus on what happened later to Reginald, while not mentioning any of the context including what happened later with Reginald himself saying that he understood the actions of his attackers, etc…

    Certainly if I misunderstood / made an incorrect assumption, you may correct me and tell me what your motivation was.

    You not only misunderstood, chol, but because of your own narrow-minded bigoted mindset, you assumed I was being racist in my reaction because you can not possibly understand that my comment in 3 was just what it said and nothing more. Reginald Denny’s beating caught on television was the most horrific thing I had ever seen happen to another human being.

    And what you further can’t grasp is, not then, nor now, do I give a shit what color the victim was. Nobody – NOBODY – deserved to be savagely pulled from their vehicle, beaten, pummeled and have a brick slammed into their head like Reginald Denny did. It’s a shame color is more important to you than sheer humanity. That’s an ugly bit of racism you bear and you should be ashamed of yourself.

    Comment by Dana (4eca6e) — 6/17/2012 @ 5:25 pm

  141. “I hear ya, but that kind of generational hatred just seems crazy to me.”

    I’m not much on carrying grudges, even over the short haul.

    Just a short while back you and I were going at each other…now, we’re having a normal conversation, just kicking things around.

    I’d rather just blow off the past and be pleasant in the here and now. That works a lot better for me than nursing grudges and constantly being pissed off.

    Life’s too short to be in a constant state of rage, especially over crap that happened generations ago. So, Billy Sherman’s boys burned down the Surls farm back in 1864.

    What the hell is that to me?

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 5:32 pm

  142. It is a sad tale about Rodney King, he was unfortunate, but also reckless, as the foothills
    chase indicated, as did charging the police, the edited tape, run in a mobius reel, exacerbated an already volatile atmosphere, that the verdict ignited, and everyone from Maxine Waters to Bill Clinton, profited in the aftermath,

    Comment by narciso (494474) — 6/17/2012 @ 5:58 pm

  143. Speaking of grudges and festering resentment…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/carl-ericcson-murder-norman-johnson-_n_1602411.html?ref=topbar

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 6/17/2012 @ 6:19 pm

  144. As for LA, I live there, and where I live is not smoggy nor dirty, nor do I find most LA to be so…Today for example is a beautiful blue sky day, and I see no smog from Downtown to ocean.
    Comment by Chol — 6/17/2012 @ 1:15 pm

    Except that the Air Quality Index today was “Moderate” (78) with a high level of particulates. The health message associated with “Moderate” is “Unusually sensitive people should consider reducing prolonged or heavy exertion.” If Chol can’t see the smog it’s because she/he/it (shit?) has chosen not to see it.

    Comment by Paddy O'Furnijur (72da17) — 6/17/2012 @ 6:24 pm

  145. “Speaking of grudges and festering resentment…”

    Yeah well, part of it is that he stayed in the same community all those years. Not an excuse, but a factor. I can imagine that grudges can linger longer in close-knit communities where people seldom move on.

    Problem is that we’re talking about grudges that go back much longer than 50 years – generational grudges where the one holding the grudge has no living connection to the source.

    That’s a lot less understandable than an actual memory of abuse.

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 6:41 pm

  146. “If Chol can’t see the smog it’s because she/he/it (shit?) has chosen not to see it.”

    I live in the LA area too. Skies are blue. Only two days ago one couldn’t tell that there were mountains north of us. But a lot of that is natural haze, and not necessarily fog. There are pictures of the area dating to the late 1800s with the same haze.

    I’ve lived in the LA area since the early 1980s, and I have to say the air quality has improved dramatically since then. So there are some positives for LA despite the many negatives.

    Comment by BMW (d777af) — 6/17/2012 @ 6:46 pm

  147. Rodney King is dead because of the choices he made in his life. Don’t feel sorry for him at all, but it is quite alright to mourn the loss of potential that King’s life represented. Had he not made poor choices, where would he be today? Arguably, he might still be dead from some other cause such as MS, Cancer or being hit by a bus, but the chances are better than average that he would not be dead and we wouldn’t even have to be worried about him or his family.

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