Patterico's Pontifications

6/11/2012

Harassment, June 11, 2012

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:03 pm

UPDATE:

UPDATE x2:

UPDATE x3:

UPDATE x4:

There are no duplicates there. As a matter of fact, I missed one tweet with identical content.

Cue Twilight Zone music.

UPDATE x5:

Isn’t that special?

Don’t think it is. This is almost every day for a year, folks.

I’m not joking.

230 Responses to “Harassment, June 11, 2012”

  1. Keep the faith, Patterico. Sunlight is shining

    Dustyn H (82ea41)

  2. Just goes to show, if you fail to win your argument in the court of public opinion . . .

    Icy (d228ce)

  3. Might Mr. Ethnocentricity Holder do himself a huge favor now that Mr. Donilon is fingered and waste the lowly BK.

    The Obumblef*ck admin is in bellicose disarray.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  4. That’s pretty disgusting.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  5. I wouldn’t sweat these legal threats. I think they are just trying to intimidate people.

    Though I don’t know all the ins and outs of that, there are other ways of seeing through some of this.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  6. @OccupyRebellion sleeps hanging upside down.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  7. UPDATE:

    Patterico (feda6b)

  8. #7 Heh, good one, Daley. What I love most about this site? The questions asked in the comments. Especially the previous thread.

    felipe (3cc5df)

  9. Keep the faith! We stand together or hang separately.

    plemmen (6cd503)

  10. I hope Occupy Rebellion becomes as famous as Brett has become lately.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  11. Oh, that is amazingly vile!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  12. UPDATE x2:

    Patterico (feda6b)

  13. You guys don’t know all of what Liberty Chick has been through this past year+.

    She’s never backed down. I probably would have folded under the pressure, and everyone who values their freedom and safety from thugs owes Miss Nagy a thank you.

    She’s been stabbed in the back by people she supported, stabbed in the front by people she confronted for their wrongdoing, and I’m just amazed. Her privacy has been violated terribly.

    Dustin (330eed)

  14. do I make myself a blessing to everyone I meet?*

    when you fall I will get you on your feet

    [...]

    who’s mandy btw?

    this blog is starting to speak in code

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  15. happyfeet, Mandy = Liberty Chick.

    She and Patterico were way ahead of the game in discussing Kimberlin.

    Dustin (330eed)

  16. #15 – Mandy is Mandy Nagy, otherwise known as LibertyChick.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  17. so LibertyChick was swatted?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  18. Mr. Feets, I know how you feel. Even though I subscribe to the following sentiment:

    “nothing human is alien to me” – ? (too lazy to search.

    felipe (3cc5df)

  19. Tacitus – I am a human being, and nothing that is human is foreign to me. (or that’s how I translated it, way back when)

    Dianna (f12db5)

  20. Thanks Di, I had a liberal (books) education, and read that. the memory fades…

    felipe (3cc5df)

  21. ok y’all aren’t doing a whole lot to walk back the “this blog is starting to speak in code” observation

    no offense Mr. Tacitus

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  22. (no offense) (Mr. Tacitus)

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  23. happyfeet, you’re teasing me!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  24. Dianna of the greeks is great!

    Acts 19:28 (or thereabouts)

    felipe (3cc5df)

  25. “This bar is getting too rough for me!” -Bartender in “Three Amigos

    felipe (3cc5df)

  26. UPDATE x3:

    Patterico (feda6b)

  27. The chicken is in the pot.

    Cook it.

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  28. Wow. Just effin wow.

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  29. Disgusting! – puts hand over Happyfeets eyes.

    felipe (3cc5df)

  30. Patterico, surely those violate TOS!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  31. UPDATE x4:

    There are no duplicates there. As a matter of fact, I missed one tweet with identical content.

    Cue Twilight Zone music.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  32. It makes me sick to my stomach. I don’t know how some of y’all even read that one. I always give up after 5 tweets or so.

    This kind of behavior… the swattings… standing with Kimberlin…

    It’s not like both sides in this fiasco think they are the good guys. They know they are evil, and seek to be as effectively evil as possible. Going after family, trying to break a rape victim’s spirit this way, … all par for the course.

    They keep their anonymity. It’s not like the good guys are hacking anyone’s emails or posting any pictures of their mom’s houses. They don’t have to worry about their friends being smeared. The good guys don’t smear and even are borderline ridiculous in giving benefit of the doubt.

    They don’t get arrested, either, even though their commentary is horrible. But Aaron’s polite commentary faces lawfare and insanity.

    The rules only apply to the good guys. “I am a law only for my kind, I am no law for all.”

    Dustin (330eed)

  33. UPDATE x5:

    Isn’t that special?

    Don’t think it is. This is almost every day for a year, folks.

    I’m not joking.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  34. Pat! Mayhap Sheridan seeks an audience?

    Ramses II: Let him rave on so that men may know him mad. – X Commandments

    felipe (3cc5df)

  35. I was just about to say imagine LC dealing with this horrible person for about a year, just to try to solve this mess and I guess as a tax for being a conservative pundit.

    If you ignore one, they either go insane or they start a new account or 50, and harass you endlessly with… I would guess hundreds of thousands of comments.

    Dustin (330eed)

  36. #34 – Patterico – what can be done about this? Seriously, what is Twitter doing?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  37. IT’S A BLOG WAR!!!!

    THEY YELL “BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH” AND WE POINT IT OUT!!!!

    MORAL EQUIVALENCE!!!!

    Patterico (feda6b)

  38. Dianna,

    It takes two to tango; this is just one of those left v. right things; Brett Kimberlin is being Swift Boated. OK?

    There is nothing to be done.

    Just enjoy the rest of your life being stalked and harassed by these ambulatory psychos. Don’t bother us about it. Didn’t you CHOOSE to write about Brett Kimberlin to begin with?

    OK then.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  39. Unless it affects their politics or their bottom line, nothing.

    felipe (3cc5df)

  40. What the F’ing F? I like to think I have a titanium spine, but what Mandy has endured would have me in the fetal position. What can we do to help?

    sybilll (afd26b)

  41. #39 – Patterico.

    Ah, I see. Riiight.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  42. You can drop her a line in support. Like we do here, for Patterico.

    felipe (3cc5df)

  43. Dianna, I wrote Twitter five times asking what they were going to do.

    And the answer is nothing. they are a communication service and you don’t have to read it.

    And I didn’t get a form letter. I had a conversation with a real person, who decided to do nothing.

    Dustin (330eed)

  44. Patterico – Surls would probably point out all those folks could probably file pretty good claims of defamation against you since as Kman pointed out, you brought this on yourself.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  45. ok I’m just noting we’ve gone a good healthy spell without a sense of humor in evidence

    and that used to be so essential to the bloggings

    as I used to know them

    back in the day

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  46. WHY SO SERIOUS?!

    Patterico (feda6b)

  47. Happy, it is all fun and games until someone gets hurt. I’m sorry, that was unfair to someone, but I have no idea whom.

    felipe (3cc5df)

  48. There’s a lot of potential for aggressive expansion.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  49. I’ve had clients who exhibited escalating behaviors, more and more outta control, until they really screw up/themselves, bigtime…I think Team Kimberlin is right on the verge of jail-inducing crackup.

    Notice that new Rauhauser email was sent on 5/24, just before Kimberlin Day…They were ALREADY terrified of what Stack was/will/might gonna do. Has anything occurred in past 18 days taken the pressure off? Hell, no, the opposite.

    Aaron Walker’s atty[s] will have a target-rich environment at their next hearing, I predict.

    JewishOdysseus (57038c)

  50. BK IS the Joker!

    felipe (3cc5df)

  51. I wish I understood the Why So Serious? thing (not the meme but why P references it). I have my theories, well I always have those. lol

    Noodles (3681c4)

  52. Check it out:

    Re: #385XXXX Twitter Support: update on “This harassment crosses the line”

    Hello,

    Twitter provides a communication service. As a policy, we do not mediate content or intervene in disputes between users. Users are allowed to post content, including potentially inflammatory content, provided that they do not violate the Twitter Terms of Service and Rules. For information on reporting a Terms of Service violation, please see this help page:

    http://support.twitter.com/entries/15789

    If you have a Twitter account, you can also block the user, which will prevent the account from following you on Twitter or appearing in your mentions tab. You can block someone by following these instructions:

    http://support.twitter.com/entries/117063

    Thanks,

    TheCaptain
    Twitter Trust and Safety

    You’re welcome!

    Dustin (330eed)

  53. I wish I understood the Why So Serious? thing (not the meme but why P references it).

    happy said we’d lost our sense of humor here.

    THE HELL WE HAVE!!!

    Patterico (feda6b)

  54. Yeah Dustin, and do notice how many people’s accounts get taken away by way of these creeps? It’s nuts.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  55. I think I forgot a *you there. And Patterico is scaring me! (not really, just making a joke =)

    Noodles (3681c4)

  56. not lost Mr. P I was never not certain it hadn’t been temporarily misplaced

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  57. Well i think there is some insanity there on Team Kimberlin. McCain is correct in that some buttons are being pushed.

    These are the type of people that don’t deserve to live in America.

    scable (40a8c6)

  58. Rauhauser has had his day in the sun. Time to pull the strings on him. I am wondering if Babs and Tides still support him and Kimberlin?

    The left made a huge to do about domestic terrorism abroad in the US, especially from vets. The feds put the studies out. WTH.. We find out reality is that one lefty and his stooges surpass easily the fed report on domestic terrorism.

    Rauhauser projects a lot onto other people of what he thinks his worldview is. It’s a pretty shitty unhappy place. And I think there are plenty of lefties like him when i look at the content sent to liberty chick or michelle malkin. These are evil people the Democratic party is cozying up to for a few votes.

    scable (40a8c6)

  59. I won’t be surprised if Kimberlin offs Rauhauser. That is the danger connection right there. A party ready to explode. anyone in court with them wants to be careful. have security. the situation is more volatile than it was a few weeks ago.

    neither one of these people should be running loose on the street.

    scable (40a8c6)

  60. With all these publicity i can only see looney tunes associating with Rauhauser. What political candidate or organization is going to want this skeleton in their closet? Maybe Lyndon Larouche but that is about it.

    scable (40a8c6)

  61. Now I see the funny side.

    Now I’m always smiling.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  62. The pot is certainly boiling.

    Interesting times.

    NessImp (05dece)

  63. Good thing nobody in Congress is looking at this.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  64. I’m not a tweeter — can some one decipher who is the sender and who is the recipient? I’m presuming someone named Sheridan at Occupy Rebellion is sending tweets to Libety Chick whose first name is Mandy. Does twitter work by sending messages to specific people but everyone “following” you can see your tweets?

    shipwreckedcrew (fe3b5b)

  65. I’m not a tweeter — can some one decipher who is the sender and who is the recipient? I’m presuming someone named Sheridan at Occupy Rebellion is sending tweets to Libety Chick whose first name is Mandy. Does twitter work by sending messages to specific people but everyone “following” you can see your tweets?

    Comment by shipwreckedcrew

    That is correct.

    The first part, above the message, is noting the sender. Anyone mentioned in the message (with the @ symbol in front of a name) is a recipient. Context sometimes explains who a message is primarily directed to and who is just mentioned.

    Anyone following Sheridan can see her message, and so can liberty chick, unless she blocked this person who is so viciously smearing her.

    Dustin (330eed)

  66. shipwreckedcrew – You can go on twitter.com and read the twitter stream for somebody even if you do not have a twitter account yourself.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  67. This Sheridan character is quite the wack job.

    Of course, Twitter makes everyone who uses it sound like a wack job, but this is an exceptional case.

    Dave Surls (e97413)

  68. Anyone who tells a victim of rape that they weren’t really raped is a little unhinged, and is attempting to shock/shame/horrify the recipient into submission.

    Believe me, I lived through this while courting my wife, from her ex husband. These people ring so many bells of similarity with him its frightening. Are people so craze as to think this is a logical, reasonable way to get people to change their minds?

    Cowards.

    Cheesecake (7d1857)

  69. Congrats Kings Fans. And may God Bless Ace Bailey. He was the head of scouting for the Kings before the rug heads flew are planes into the towers.

    mg (44de53)

  70. I have only recently stumbled upon the blogs and all the information that is on all the blogs about Kimberlan, Neal, Ron, etc…and all they have done. I cannot stop researching and looking into all of this and the injustices that you all have suffered.
    My heart goes out to all of you who have suffered at the hands of these people and i am proud to know that you are standing strong together and fighting back. Altho, i must say not being an attorney, i have seen the injustice of the court system, and the indifference of the police as they walk away from investigations and do what little they can to investigate a harrassment situation.
    To Mandy i would like to say: I, too, was the victim of a brutal rape and attempted murder. The man did go away, but it has done little to after all these years to lessen the memories, and the nightmares that occassionally plague me. May these men burn in hell for all they have done, and for tormenting Mandy about an incident that they will have to answer to God for tormenting her about (as well as all they have done) this incident.

    Aubrey (19376f)

  71. I do have two questions tho that i hope someone could answer or point me to the place to understand better as i read old blogs and comments. How and when did Ron Brynaert come into the picture and what is his connection to Kimberlan? I read someone say that they couldn’t believe a year ago they were feeling sorry for him as he was posting here. Can you tell me where i can find that i would appreciate it….did he initially claim to be against Kimberlan? This confuses me greatly. Thank you :)

    Also unrelated, but weighing on my mind….was Michelle Malkin’s cousin ever found?

    Aubrey (19376f)

  72. 30. ROTFLMAO.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  73. 46. Oh, I don’t know, felipe seems in tolerable humor.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  74. 67. Straight from the ‘Shining’ to your cell.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  75. @Aubrey, Idk if this is totally correct but Ron came on the radar during Weinergate. He has ties to Raw Story which has ties to Kimberlin. You can go back on this site and look at all the posts from then.

    There was a time when Ron was acting like he was crazy (imo an attempt at a defense). If any of this confuses you (like reading his tweets), that is probably by design.

    I don’t think MM’s cousin was ever found.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  76. Good. Lord.

    Colonel Haiku (4c7fca)

  77. thank you, Noodles. Any idea what month/i’m assuming obviously in 2011 that he came around? I’ve been looking, but it is so much i’ve been reading already and am not finding it yet. (you guys talk alot ;)

    Aubrey (19376f)

  78. Patterico and all those in the line of fire:

    Keep a good attitude. Remember that we are behind you 100%. Just like Leslie Nielson in Airplane!

    I agree with the need for a flow chart or 3-D map of the players. I can’t imagine a RICO case being this complex.

    Hey! A RICO case… At what point do the boys become a conspiracy….?

    ukuleledave (e546ca)

  79. and, Colonel Haiku,in reading all the comments i have enjoyed yours immensely.

    Aubrey (19376f)

  80. These people act like thirteen-year-old girls.

    I don’t understand Rauhauser. It was my impression that he had a budding career as a Dem operative. What happened to send him off the rails? Or did Dems just find a better use for him?

    Oh, and happyfeet?…the posters here are solid gold but you are the jewel in this blog.

    creeper (f1f686)

  81. These people act like thirteen-year-old girls

    HATE CRIME!

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  82. ukeleledave, they’re already a conspiracy. RICO is actually an easy charge to make. Virtually any time two people are involved in a crime (or alleged crime) you can make an argument that RICO applies.

    Loss of a civil suit filed under RICO makes you liable for triple the damages claimed. It’s a huge hammer to wield against someone you don’t like. Bad enough to be sued for a million dollars but even worse to face treble the fine. It’s a very effective threat and I suspect Speedway Bomber Brett Kimberlin, Neal Rauhauser and/or Ron Brynaert will file RICO charges against our bloggers long before the good guys do the same. In fact, I’m shocked that they haven’t done so already.

    I learned this the hard way.

    creeper (f1f686)

  83. The Weiner tweet was at the end of May of last year. This is the “monster thread”, though a lot more is known now then was then, so reading the comments might just confuse you more.

    http://patterico.com/2011/06/30/someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible/

    Noodles (3681c4)

  84. Whoops #83 was for @Aubrey btw. There are a lot of other posts about all that one here.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  85. They’re just like everyone else.

    So they tell me.

    Amphipolis (d3e04f)

  86. Sick Sick Sick..Makes my stomach churn..

    Alissa Dirks (a95d6f)

  87. @Aubrey–What are your favorite blogs and where did you hear about MM’s missing cousin?
    What an imbroglio, huh?

    Mike Stack (66819b)

  88. This is so awful, it makes it hard to practice proactive happiness, a la Prager.

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  89. Occupy/Sheridan/Rauhauser is disgusting.

    JD (95e569)

  90. To me it sounds as though that person is aware of his own core worthlessness on some level, and is trying to invent a world where there are only hollow and worthless people in order to comfort himself. Also a scared person.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  91. There’s a curse and abuse statute in my state. Perhaps there is one that applies to the stylings of OR elsewhere.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  92. So you’re being trolled. Could be worse. I once had a pack of YouTube pedophiles publish my then-13-year-old son’s photo, home address, boxing gym location, and route to school on every pedo site on the Internet because I did a series of expose videos on Young Tubers United, a ‘kids’ YouTube video group that online predators were using as a front to collect real names and geographic locations of children all over the world. They were even building a database. Most of the evil rat bastards behind the kids’ group and the threat to my son have been exposed and ruined.

    The good news is that Internet trolls are usually not physical people and rarely pose a real-world, mortal threat (although there are some truly lunatic exceptions). They live their lives largely online and think their super seekrit true identities can’t be breached and they won’t be caught and held accountable. I’m here to tell you they’re wrong. Ask Nigel Oldfield aka “WMCritest”, a convicted child molester from Yorkshire whose police-sealed home address was somehow unsealed and emailed to every adult sex-abuse survivor’s group in England.

    Keep fighting these guys. Don’t be afraid. Their presumptive leader, Brett Kimberlin, is no Moriarity: he’s an insecure, scrawny little narcissistic sociopath who gets off on intimidation. He strikes me as the type who hates being laughed at more than anything. So come at him grinning. Let him know he can’t get to you or through you. Don’t worry overmuch about what he’s going to do. Instead, let him worry about what you’re going to do.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  93. “I am human; nothing human is alien to me”—Homo sum; humani nil a me alienum puto—is from “Heauton Timorumenos” (“The Self-Tormentor”) by P. Terentius Afer, not Cornelius Tacitus.

    Deadman (053659)

  94. Just visited the Monsty thread. It’s all very presque vu.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  95. Why does “OccupyRebellion” still have a twatter account?

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  96. Aubrey:

    Here is a link to a Google search which has threads with comments by RB.

    geoffb (1f4c30)

  97. These are some really screwed up sickos.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  98. I don’t understand Rauhauser. It was my impression that he had a budding career as a Dem operative. What happened to send him off the rails? Or did Dems just find a better use for him?

    This is the Dem’s use for him, just like it is with Kimberlin.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  99. They keep their anonymity. It’s not like the good guys are hacking anyone’s emails or posting any pictures of their mom’s houses. They don’t have to worry about their friends being smeared. The good guys don’t smear and even are borderline ridiculous in giving benefit of the doubt…[emphasis mine]

    Comment by Dustin — 6/11/2012 @ 10:29 pm

    So tell me, does your sense of goodness and fair play mean those who torment rape victims shouldn’t be exposed and ruined?

    Insofar as I know, there’s no law against determining the identity of an anonymous Internet troll. Even knowing you’re seeking them out can make them nervous. It punctures their sense of invulnerability, makes them worry, causes them to forget to feed the cat, and I’m all about giving people like that a bad day.

    If it’s legal, it’s allowable. No more nice, please.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  100. So tell me, does your sense of goodness and fair play mean those who torment rape victims shouldn’t be exposed and ruined?

    No, it doesn’t. Those who intentionally inflict that kind of distress are committing harassment at least, and criminals should be exposed and prosecuted.

    However, the tactics the good guys will use are highly limited. I’m not going to socially engineer any companies to get someone’s address, for example. I mainly have to hope that law enforcement solves such matters.

    No more nice, please.

    Your view is justifiable. These people are evil, and it’s difficult to explain why any kind of hesitation in pursuing them would be sensible. However, there is a line that has to be drawn, and I know you’re not talking about crossing it.

    I also note there’s nothing I can do to people like Occupy Rebellion. I can’t talk like that back to her, and she wouldn’t even care if I did. I can barely read a handful of her tweets before I give up and do something more productive.

    And I do whatever I can that is productive.

    Anyway, I would be overjoyed if these people who have defended Kimberlin and been so awful to his critics were exposed. I wouldn’t need to ruin them. They have ruined themselves.

    Dustin (330eed)

  101. The idea that occupy rebellion/Sheridan/Rauhauser is afraid of a little sunlight seems kind of silly. Only the willfully blind don’t know who it is

    JD (318f81)

  102. I also note there’s nothing I can do to people like Occupy Rebellion.

    There are lots of (legal) things you can do to people like ‘Occupy Rebellion’. You can make fun of her ridiculous pseudonym, for one. Since she so identifies with the Occupy Movement, she’s probably representative of it: physically unattractive, educated in a useless degree, buried in debt, and probably in her thirties and still living with her parents. That’s a gold mine right there.

    I can’t talk like that back to her…

    Sure you can. It’s easy. Talk to her like the pusillanimous pissmire she is.

    …and she wouldn’t even care if I did.

    Get vicious. Get personal. Everyone has a button. All you need to do is find it. Once you find it, she’d care soon enough.

    I can barely read a handful of her tweets before I give up and do something more productive.

    Granted, people who lead busy real-world lives only have so much time in a day. Think of datamining her life as a hobby, if you like: something you do when you’re bored.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  103. JD – OccupyRebellion could give Mary Kate Petranos a run for her money.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  104. “Think of datamining her life as a hobby, if you like: something you do when you’re bored.”

    Troy – What do you think has been happening over the past two years on the research front?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  105. Get vicious. Get personal. Everyone has a button. All you need to do is find it. Once you find it, she’d care soon enough.

    Well, the button I’ve found is to be kind and supportive to great people like Liberty Chick. That, combined with ignoring the trolls (and I don’t mean pretending to ignore, but actually not paying much attention to them) seems to be ‘the button.’ And I don’t even intend it to be. Turning the other cheek really does seem to get under her skin.

    For example, when Darrah/Sheridan wrote all the posts quoted by Patterico, Liberty Chick wasn’t interacting with her at all. That’s why Darrah was so furious.

    She is a troll. Screaming at her is victory to her. A back and forth exchange of personal insults meant to deeply upset eachother is not the kind of thing I’m going to prevail at. I’m not saying those who can are somehow inferior (she is outrageous, so any good person should be outraged), but it’s just not part of my program.

    physically unattractive, educated in a useless degree, buried in debt, and probably in her thirties and still living with her parents.

    She’s the one who wrote the quotes posted above. ‘Nuff said.

    Dustin (330eed)

  106. Think of datamining her life as a hobby, if you like: something you do when you’re bored.

    Or, you can read, paint, hike, write, stargaze, collect stamps, rocks, butterflies, fungi; you can watch movies, take in a play, climb a tree, hang-glide, swim, ride a bike. You can go to church, meditate, pray for your enemies. You can go to school, learn a trade, take in a few classes at the ‘Y’. Go to a museum, travel, learn a different language.

    Just sayin’.

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  107. You think OR is a girl? It’s a person with an immature and confuzzled sexuality to be sure but I was thinking boy. Or somewhere in between.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  108. Troy – What do you think has been happening over the past two years on the research front?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 6/12/2012 @ 10:05 am

    There’s a research front? So why is it these trolls are still going after Liberty Chick without consequence?

    She is a troll. Screaming at her is victory to her.

    Comment by Dustin — 6/12/2012 @ 10:13 am

    Responding to a troll is not a victory to them when you use their first name and mention local landmarks in their city, the make and model of the car they drive, where they work, and the name of their beloved goldfish. Ignoring trolls is good enough when they’re typical trolls just out for kicks, wanting to get under your skin and garner an emotional response. It is, however, bad strategy to pretend they don’t exist when they’re genuinely out to wreck your life.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  109. Sarahw

    I’ve noticed a lot of times when someone has an androgynous nick and doesn’t explicitly state her gender, and if she is particularly irksome, assuming a female gender is often used to bate her.

    The hope being, I think, that a crabby, quarrelsome troll who otherwise doesn’t react often will react if 1) it’s an immature boy or 2) it’s an easily amazed girl. It’s an arrow that hits its mark 50% of the time.

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  110. Yikes. [bait] not [bate].

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  111. Or, you can read, paint, hike, write, stargaze, collect stamps, rocks, butterflies, fungi; you can watch movies, take in a play, climb a tree, hang-glide, swim, ride a bike. You can go to church, meditate, pray for your enemies. You can go to school, learn a trade, take in a few classes at the ‘Y’. Go to a museum, travel, learn a different language.

    Just sayin’.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic — 6/12/2012 @ 10:20 am

    True enough, doing nothing is always an option. So is running away. You make your choices, I’ll make mine.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  112. I forgot music, either listening to it or playing an instrument or singing. That’s also a good way to relieve boredom.

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  113. I forgot music, either listening to it or playing an instrument or singing. That’s also a good way to relieve boredom.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic — 6/12/2012 @ 10:59 am

    The sound of my singing voice would kill squalling cats. I’ll forgo the music part, thanks.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  114. “There’s a research front? So why is it these trolls are still going after Liberty Chick without consequence?”

    Troy – I think you need to read up on the background of this story some more, Mate, and understand some of the long history, which it is patently obvious you do not, before assuming a tough guy stance.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  115. I am very familiar with Brett Kimberlin, thanks. I live in Indianapolis and one of my dearest friends, my artistic mentor, is one of the many people whom he’s managed to harm in the course of his sociopathic rampage through the lives of those anywhere near him. Like all people with conscience, he creates a wake of personal devastation wherever he goes. It’s fair to say I probably know more about the topic than do you. To you, this mess is an abstraction. To me, it’s personal.

    ‘Tough guy stance’? Don’t know about that. Paraphrasing Popeye, I am who and what I am. I use my real name online and lead a transparent, out-in-the-open life–which may be somewhat boring to watch from the outside looking in, but I find it fairly rich and fulfilling. You can look me up if you like. And if you mean to be insulting, insults from people using pseudonyms don’t work with me.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  116. “…without conscience…” Sorry.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  117. These tweets remind me of Robert DeNiro, covered in tattoos, doing pull-ups in his prison cell.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  118. I’m not sure what all the Brett kimberlin stuff is about. Does it make you all feel bettter to assume that sll progressives are like him? They aren’t.

    tye (19ce7b)

  119. All*

    tye (19ce7b)

  120. “I am very familiar with Brett Kimberlin”

    Troy – That’s beautiful, but you don’t seem very familiar with this story.

    Kimberlin sued Seth Allen to stop blogging about him and a year later Seth was still blogging about him. Seth lost the court case with the aid of perjured testimony from Brett but is still blogging about him. If it is so easy to shut people down as you claim, how can this happen?

    How do you shut down anonymous twitter accounts? Can you provide the 1,2,3 for the rubes on this blog? How do you describe the make and model number of the cars the anonymous people behind the twitter accounts drive? Who do you serve legal papers on?

    Your desire for speech suppression is great, but would you want it used against you in return?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  121. Troy, I’ve looked you up and I know you’re a good guy.

    But I think Daleyrocks has a point or two. We agree on much, but disagree on the best way to respond.

    Dustin (330eed)

  122. I wasn’t even responding to Daleyrock’s last. He’s right on a practical level too. How do you even do this stuff?

    But I don’t want to. I do think there are great constructive ways to work on this, though, and I totally understand why Troy has such willpower to do something about these people.

    Dustin (330eed)

  123. “These tweets remind me of Robert DeNiro, covered in tattoos, doing pull-ups in his prison cell.”

    They put Bob in jail?

    I didn’t think his movies were THAT bad.

    Except for Taxi Driver.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  124. I’m not sure what all the Brett kimberlin stuff is about. Does it make you all feel bettter to assume that sll progressives are like him? They aren’t.

    Comment by tye — 6/12/2012 @ 12:10 pm

    Yes, some are much more stupid. Like “tye”

    JD (95e569)

  125. Your desire for speech suppression is great, but would you want it used against you in return?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 6/12/2012 @ 12:10 pm

    You think giving vicious little psychopaths a hard time for trolling rape victims is an example of ‘speech suppression’, really? That’s the stance you’re taking? Please.

    You’re hanging out in a coffee shop, say, and a stranger approaches a woman in your presence, calls her out by name, and tells her, loudly and aggressively, that he knows she’s a rape survivor and that she was probably asking for it, that she probably liked it. So what do you do, Galahad? Do you demur, and then defend that stranger’s 1st Amendment right to ‘speak his mind’ to the rape victim? I don’t buy it. You’d do what anyone would do, which would be to shut that monster down.

    And how do you find out the super-seekrit identities of trolls? Well, for starters, you go hunting through every post of theirs you can find and familiarize yourself with their writing style, those little tics of punctuation and spelling everyone has, unique as a thumbprint. All trolls are sock farmers with multiple accounts on multiple sites. Go where they’re likely to hang out when they’re not persecuting those they consider enemies–DKos, for example, or Dem Underground–and, after lurking for awhile, find one or more of their other socks. These kinds of people like to brag and they’re far more open when they think they’re among friends. Take it from there.

    Not exactly a 1-2-3, but you get the idea. Anybody can be found out, given time and persistence.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  126. I wasn’t even responding to Daleyrock’s last. He’s right on a practical level too. How do you even do this stuff?

    But I don’t want to. I do think there are great constructive ways to work on this, though, and I totally understand why Troy has such willpower to do something about these people.

    Comment by Dustin — 6/12/2012 @ 12:17 pm

    I concur. More power to you, Troy (and the other victims) if you have the ability and the stomach to deal with these disgusting orifices, but it makes me sick just to think about people with that much hatred bubbling inside them.

    L.N. Smithee (8d5fac)

  127. “Anybody can be found out, given time and persistence.”

    Troy – Yes, but not the 1,2,3 you made it seem in your initial comments and making it seem as if nothing was going on. As I said, you are unfamiliar with the history.

    “You think giving vicious little psychopaths a hard time for trolling rape victims is an example of ‘speech suppression’, really?”

    No, I don’t. I think harrassing them at home, at work, talking about their cars, etc. is, but to each his own.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  128. I suppose it is easier for simpletons to argue that rape is bad than it is for them to argue policy. Cough jd. Though in its specific case it isn’t that hard when it makes crap up.

    tye (19ce7b)

  129. “Well, for starters, you go hunting through every post of theirs you can find and familiarize yourself with their writing style, those little tics of punctuation and spelling everyone has, unique as a thumbprint.”

    Troy – We’ll get on this right away. I’m sure nobody has even thought about it before.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  130. “…familiarize yourself with their writing style…”

    Personally, I specialize in poor grammar, inappropriate use of punctuation and frequent spelling errors.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  131. “I suppose it is easier for simpletons to argue that rape is bad than it is for them to argue policy.”

    tye – So you are taking the position that rape is good?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  132. No, I don’t. I think harrassing them at home, at work, talking about their cars, etc. is, but to each his own.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 6/12/2012 @ 12:47 pm

    You misunderstand. I didn’t recommend harrassing them at home, work, etc. I did, however, recommend letting them know you knew who and where they were. For most troll-types living vicariously on the Internet and committing random acts of libel and extortion, letting them know you know who they are is often all the stake-in-the-heart you need.

    I’m not above being vicious, ruthless and underhanded (within legal bounds, of course), having learned the hard way that it’s better to be a good man than a nice guy.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  133. Troy Riser, given the prevalence of Moby’s around here, I find your comments … unhelpful at a minimum.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  134. tye, I’m having an increasing amount of difficulty separating “progressives” from Brett Kimberlin and his gang. Your contributions do nothing to aid in such separation.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  135. Troy – We’ll get on this right away. I’m sure nobody has even thought about it before.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 6/12/2012 @ 12:51 pm

    Put the snark aside. I’m sure plenty of people have thought of it before. Nothing wrong with stating the obvious.

    And I’m not sure why you’re so intent on picking a fight with me. Do you think you’ll be liked more if you come across as the uncompromising idealist? How’s the weather up there on that moral high ground, anyway?

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  136. Troy Riser, given the prevalence of Moby’s around here, I find your comments … unhelpful at a minimum.

    Comment by SPQR — 6/12/2012 @ 1:01 pm

    Not a Moby, thanks, but you can think what you want. Patterico can boot me off any time he likes.

    All I’m saying is that you meet aggression with aggression. When experiencing the Chicago Way, learn it and then use it to advantage.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  137. “tye” is a serial sock puppet multiple-banned dishonest vermin. With apologies to actual vermin.

    JD (318f81)

  138. Spqr. Being a smart ass and criminal activity are the same in your eyes? You’re a self-righteous butt.

    tye (19ce7b)

  139. tye, you can’t imagine how devastated that comment makes me feel.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  140. Troy Riser, that’s the best way to confirm that you are a Moby BTW.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  141. The self-righteous don’t know their shortcomings. It is what makes them such amazing company.

    tye (19ce7b)

  142. Simple minded people are against rape. People like “tye” have a more open mind and wish to look at the underlying policy.

    JD (318f81)

  143. Let me see if I can replicate your stupidity. Self-righteous people are worse than murderers. Murderer.

    tye (19ce7b)

  144. “tye” step away from the moonshine.

    JD (318f81)

  145. Troy Riser, that’s the best way to confirm that you are a Moby BTW.

    Comment by SPQR — 6/12/2012 @ 1:13 pm

    *sigh*. Yeah, you finally caught me, super-sleuth. Outfoxed at last. I’ve been living a lie all these years, convincing all who know me–family, friends, old Army buddies, everyone–that I’m a registered Republican nobody from Nowhere, Indiana when in fact I’m really an Internets double-agent with an agenda. That link to my online portfolio? It isn’t really my online fine and commercial arts portfolio. It’s a front, just as my whole suspiciously easily verifiable existence has been a front. Thank God I no longer have to maintain the facade. The weight of this elaborate, decades-long deception has been killing me.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  146. Troy does appear willing to learn the history around here, especially in re aggro trolls and sock puppets. I have no doubt Troy is what he claims, but that doesn’t excuse him not familiarizing himself with why others might view him with skepticism.

    JD (318f81)

  147. Jd: I appreciate that you’re “willing” to speak for me but in the instance of rape my opinions do not match those which you ascribe to me. Liar.

    tye (19ce7b)

  148. Troy Riser, that you pretend to be ignorant of how comments like yours are used by the BK crime family against people like Aaron and Patterico is almost endearing …

    Nope, I lied. Its not.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  149. I suppose it is easier for simpletons to argue that rape is bad than it is for them to argue policy.

    Courteousy of serial cowardly troll “tye”

    JD (318f81)

  150. Life would likely be more rewarding if more people took seriously the admonition to not give false report of your neighbor.

    Ever since the introduction of the stick as a technological advancement (mechanical lever arm), people just can’t help competing to find more good uses or evil uses of the latest “thing”.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  151. Does it make you all feel bettter to assume that sll progressives are like him? They aren’t.

    True. Most of them just support the Kimberlin types.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  152. Rob. That just proves that you don’t actually talk to any liberals. They do not, in general, support bombers any more than your type supports the anarchist crazies.

    tye (19ce7b)

  153. You should tell Babs Streisand and the Tides foundation and Brad Freidman, “tye”

    JD (318f81)

  154. Troy Riser, that you pretend to be ignorant of how comments like yours are used by the BK crime family against people like Aaron and Patterico is almost endearing …

    Nope, I lied. Its not.

    Comment by SPQR — 6/12/2012 @ 1:58 pm

    I advocated (and continue to advocate) adherence to the law. Combatting and exposing anonymous trolls who harass rape survivors is not illegal or immoral.

    Over a hundred frivolous lawsuits have proven that Kimberlin doesn’t need valid or reasonable grounds to sue anyone. Besides, I’m not an anonymous poster who could be construed as a surrogate or sock for Patterico or anyone else. Online anonymity has its advantages, to be sure, but using one’s real name means neither Kimberlin nor his cohorts can’t threaten me with the loss of it.

    Many in the right-of-center blogosphere are nervous about this guy–understandably so, given Kimberlin’s violent criminal record and history of nuisance litigation. Thing is, Kimberlin is attempting to re-create himself using Bill Ayers as his template. He wants to portray himself as a persecuted (and very respectable) hero of the Left. I say don’t let him. That’s all I’m saying.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  155. I can’t speak for everyone and I won’t concede that those three espouse that view. But even if they dif that is three. You won’t prove anything with the anecdotes.

    tye (19ce7b)

  156. That’s odd, tye, since earlier you were speaking for all progressives.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  157. I didn’t ask you to speak for everybody. Those 3′very specific liberal groups and individuals support Brett Kimberlin. Of that there is no debate. That you won’t “concede” a fact because it would complicate your narrative is no surprise.

    Now, tell us all the names you have commented under.

    JD (318f81)

  158. Troy does appear willing to learn the history around here, especially in re aggro trolls and sock puppets. I have no doubt Troy is what he claims, but that doesn’t excuse him not familiarizing himself with why others might view him with skepticism.

    Comment by JD — 6/12/2012 @ 1:50 pm

    I’m pretty much indifferent to how I’m viewed online by people whose names I don’t know. I’ve posted for years at conservative sites like Hot Air and Ace of Spades, and have always enjoyed hanging out with like-minded conservatives so that I could give vent to the political junkie side of my nature, but it’s a mistake to think of such Internet relationships as friendships. I know the names of my friends. All others are acquaintances.

    Although I read Patterico fairly often, the reason I went from lurker to poster is because of my frustration with the seeming inability of conservatives to respond effectively to far-Left trolling tactics. I mean, for God’s sake, there’s a serious fundamental problem going on if some of you consider exposing anonymous, rape victim-baiting psychopaths as ‘suppression of speech’.

    You can’t win if you don’t play. Learn how to play and then play to win.

    Troy Riser (06d8a1)

  159. Actually by claiming that not all progressives are alike I was doing the exact opposite. Your reading comprehension skills are terrible. But I’ll bet not all conservatives are as poor as you at that skill. See how easily it is done?

    tye (19ce7b)

  160. “tye” still to cowardly and dishonest to admit to all the names you have trolled under?

    JD (95e569)

  161. I didn’t concede because I’m not obsessed with inanity like you are.
    If I had to guess I would say they support progressive causes through music and not, you know, bombing or murdering people. But knee-jerking is what simpletons do…

    tye (19ce7b)

  162. … by donating to a “non profit” designed to shield the assets of a bombmaker with no music talent.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  163. Link to a video or statement released by babs stating that she supports bombing or murdering. Kthxby

    tye (19ce7b)

  164. Her foundation funds Kimberlin . Do you dispute that? It has been documented here repeatedly.

    JD (95e569)

  165. If it here it must be true… barf.

    tye (19ce7b)

  166. If it here it must be true… barf.

    Comment by tye — 6/12/2012 @ 3:44 pm

    Engrish por favor

    JD (95e569)

  167. Hey JD,

    I work here is done.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  168. “And I’m not sure why you’re so intent on picking a fight with me.”

    Troy – Really? Really?

    I appreciate and I am sure others appreciate support on this story but obvious, arrogant comments from uninformed newcomers along the lines of:

    Ur doin it rong!!!!!

    just sort of rub me the wrong way for some strange reason. Instead of telling the thread what they have been doing wrong because it is so easy to get rid of trolls because you are a self-annointed expert, a less grating entrance might have been to actually familiarize yourself with the history of the postings and interactions between the players before assuming people are doing things wrong.

    YMMV

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  169. tye, you know people are pulling the Form 990′s off of Kimberlin’s non profits, don’t you?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  170. It is all a reichwing lie SPQR

    JD (95e569)

  171. And — via Jawa Report — Daily Kos has published a piece praising Kimberlin. Not defending him. Not down-playing his significance.

    Unabashedly praising his every deed as “activism” for the cause.

    Better go set them straight, tye.

    Rob Crawford (fca94f)

  172. I suppose it is easier for simpletons to argue that rape is bad than it is for them to argue policy. Cough jd. Though in its specific case it isn’t that hard when it makes crap up.

    Comment by tye — 6/12/2012 @ 12:51 pm

    Tye, I would like you to explain this comment, please.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  173. Dana – cue the sounds of a billion crickets chirping

    JD (318f81)

  174. Since you’re so intetested in the daily kos report why don’t you gather some quotes for me. That way I can be sure to set them straight.

    tye (19ce7b)

  175. Dana – cue the sounds of a billion crickets chirping

    Chirp chirp chirp

    JD (95e569)

  176. That is what I thought, tye. Your progressive buddies like to flirt with violent thugs. It makes them horney.

    SPQR (495afe)

  177. Horney isn’t a word.

    tye (19ce7b)

  178. And — via Jawa Report — Daily Kos has published a piece praising Kimberlin. Not defending him. Not down-playing his significance.

    I just found and read that post. It’s not impossible that it is for real, but to me it smells like someone pretending to be a Kossack.

    Again, I could be wrong.

    It’s heartening that most commenters, rather than agreeing, disagree and suspect that the guy is a plant. Whether he is or not, that suggests to me that even people on the rather far left are not buying Kimberlin’s crap.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  179. Horney isn’t a word.

    Comment by tye

    Note he doesn’t deny flirting with “violent thugs”, hahahaha.

    Colonel Haiku (593ea4)

  180. Ayers and Dorhn

    JD (95e569)

  181. Watching Hannity Show, radio host Mike Gallagher just mentioned “three prominent conservative bloggers” having their “lives put in jeopardy by liberal activists” through SWATting.

    Colonel Haiku (593ea4)

  182. I think that Kos thing is a troll or satire or whatever Patterico.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  183. I’m sorry colonel … I didn’t realize I was supposed to dignify such adolescent tomfoolery with a response. Why don’t you busy yourself with writing a poem about your consternation? They are cute.

    tye (19ce7b)

  184. I’m sorry colonel … I didn’t realize I was supposed to dignify such adolescent tomfoolery with a response. Why don’t you busy yourself with writing a poem about your consternation? They are cute.

    Comment by tye

    FIFY

    Colonel Haiku (593ea4)

  185. I suppose it is easier for simpletons to argue that rape is bad than it is for them to argue policy. Cough jd. Though in its specific case it isn’t that hard when it makes crap up.

    Comment by tye — 6/12/2012 @ 12:51 pm

    Tye, I would like you to explain this comment, please.

    Comment by Dana — 6/12/2012 @ 4:43 pm

    Crickets

    JD (318f81)

  186. I just found and read that post. It’s not impossible that it is for real, but to me it smells like someone pretending to be a Kossack.

    Does that mean kimberlin can sue Markos now? That’s how it works, right? I’ll go ahead and hold my breath to wait for that suit to drop…

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  187. Dianna, I wrote Twitter five times asking what they were going to do.

    And the answer is nothing. they are a communication service and you don’t have to read it.

    And I didn’t get a form letter. I had a conversation with a real person, who decided to do nothing.

    Dustin

    Did you ask him, in that case, why all those conservatives were getting blocked a while back for alleged abuse, because so many people had falsely reported them? If Twitter policy is not to block people no matter how bad their confirmed abuse — and it doesn’t get any worse than @Sheridan’s — then why were those people blocked? What was being alleged against them that was worse than what you could confirm against @Sheridan?

    Milhouse (312124)

  188. I’m afraid I neglected to mention that by email. Many, my self included, have mentioned this to twitter support via twitter.

    Honestly, the troll subject doesn’t interest me very much. I wish all this was about was horrible comments online.

    Dustin (330eed)

  189. I think that Kos thing is a troll or satire or whatever Patterico.

    Comment by Noodle

    I wrote a good comment. Then, somehow, I made it vanish. Sometimes, computers truly vex me. My intent, however, was to say that, given Kos’ reactions so far, maybe one of Kimberlin’s supporters thought he (generic “he”, because I abominate the usage “they”) could drum up some support for Kimberlin there.

    The number of Kos readers who leapt at the explanation that the writer was a right-wing plant was mildly amusing, anyway.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  190. I appreciate and I am sure others appreciate support on this story but obvious, arrogant comments from uninformed newcomers along the lines of:

    Ur doin it rong!!!!!

    Comment by daleyrocks — 6/12/2012 @ 3:51 pm

    Seems to me your the type of guy who likes playing the role of high-sounding idealist online. It was you, in fact, who actually claimed that exposing and ruining vicious little trolls is somehow wrong because it’s a suppression of free speech, which is absolutely the lamest thing I’ve ever read or heard just about anywhere.

    And that ‘uninformed newcomer’ business? I’ve been around for awhile, sport. And yes, I’m knowledgeable on the Kimberlin affair as it applies to the real world where real people get really hurt. But then, I’ve already covered this ground.

    And while I don’t know much about many things, it doesn’t take an expert to realize that your kind of affected nobility and ersatz sense of high principle is useless against amoral psychopaths. It reminds me of Senator McCain’s presidential campaign, where he refused to get down in the dirt and fight tooth-and-nail because he considered it somehow dishonorable and undignified. So McCain lost honorably, I guess, with special emphasis on ‘lost’.

    People on the Right need to stop behaving as if Bret Kimberlin is the frigging Prince of Darkness. He’s a weird, scrawny little dweeb with a chip on his shoulder who was teased mercilessly in Broad Ripple High School for being a weird, scrawny little dweeb with a chip on his shoulder. That’s who he was, what he is, and what he always will be. Acting as if he’s some kind of super-duper James Bond villain grossly exaggerates the reality of the man, and just feeds his needy little ego.

    Troy Riser (6187e1)

  191. #191 – As a relative newcomer myself, I’d rather caution calming down. Lecturing someone who’s trying to do you a good turn, with some gentle teasing, as daleyrocks was doing, is probably just a touch presumptuous, and maybe even rude.

    Just a thought. I wouldn’t dream of telling you what to do. The only reason I’m commenting is that I’m still awake, and feeling thoughtful.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  192. Just a thought. I wouldn’t dream of telling you what to do. The only reason I’m commenting is that I’m still awake, and feeling thoughtful.

    Comment by Dianna — 6/12/2012 @ 10:01 pm

    I missed the ‘gentle teasing’ part, Dianna, but then, from what I’ve read, you seem kindhearted, one who looks for the best in people. It’s a nice quality, one I clearly lack.

    Troy Riser (6187e1)

  193. Troy, I realize you’ve been commenting on this guy for a long time. I don’t think everyone recognizes that, but I recall that. You grew up near the bombings, a high schooler at the time, and you have a lot of extremely disturbing, yet all too believable insights about Brett.

    Still, I think you are totally missing the point. You think the reason some don’t want to “get down in the dirt and fight tooth-and-nail” against Occupy Rebellion, by finding buttons like something personal or some creepy private detail like a pet’s name… is because we think Brett Kimberlin is a super-villain?

    That’s not the issue.

    There are two issues: One, I’m not going to make myself miserable by trying to shock Occupy Rebellion, who far more hardcore than I’d ever be. Those who see that as a sign of weakness do not understand me and probably never will, and that’s no problem.

    Two, those whose comments cause genuine alarm actually qualify as MD harassment and are helping the bad guys make their case. The biggest trial right now is not in a courtroom. It is in the prosecutorial and investigatory discretion that is tending to go in the wrong direction in many cases. Maybe it’s not fair, but we have to keep it clear who the thugs are.

    This makes a real-world difference in the lives of real people with real families. Harassment is a stupid tactic that turns a lot of people off and impresses zero people. It’s leads to a big mess that authorities dismiss, falsely, as equivalent on both sides. Kimberlin actually uses evidence of harassment which many think is exaggerated or simply fictitious. Why do you think you’re helping stand up to him by giving him what he clearly wants to use?

    This is not about proving how tough you are in your internet comments.

    Having an emotional or angry reaction to Kimberlin runs the risk of making the story about Kimberlin’s victims. Keeping the focus on such people KEEPS THE FOCUS OFF KIMBERLIN. This is what he always wanted. They want us to be talking about the attacks on Liberty Chick and the nameless psycho troll who attacks Kimberlin critics.

    While it’s helpful to document helpful information or occasionally document that yes, indeed, this harassment is occurring, short of suing a sockpuppet, there’s not a lot of good options.

    It’s not about fighting tooth and nail. It’s about winning. There’s a difference.

    And yes, I do value honor and dignity. Mccain didn’t lose because of his considerable sense of honor. He lost because the 52% love free stuff more than they love patriotism, and no longer see themselves as small parts of a greater history, so they buy into lefty claptrap.

    Anyway, from my perspective, this has been a war where the good guys have lost a lot of unwinnable battles, yet I really do think they are winning the war. There’s no way for Patterico to ‘win’ on swatting, or LC to win on this harassment. Aaron lost in court. They have scored a number of wins. Yet what’s the overall goal here? One is conveying this story to a large audience, so political pressure builds and at least some justice results.

    I sincerely do not think we’d be seeing progress on that front if we took your advice.

    Dustin (330eed)

  194. We are standing for free speech.

    Therefore we are winning.

    Simple.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  195. What Dustin said.

    Gazzer (b57020)

  196. “It was you, in fact, who actually claimed that exposing and ruining vicious little trolls is somehow wrong because it’s a suppression of free speech, which is absolutely the lamest thing I’ve ever read or heard just about anywhere.”

    Troy – Let’s back up nimrod. Here’s your suggestion:

    “Responding to a troll is not a victory to them when you use their first name and mention local landmarks in their city, the make and model of the car they drive, where they work, and the name of their beloved goldfish.”

    You are suggesting we use their tactic right back at them, which is nice. Go for it tough guy.

    “And that ‘uninformed newcomer’ business? I’ve been around for awhile, sport. And yes, I’m knowledgeable on the Kimberlin affair as it applies to the real world where real people get really hurt.”

    Complete BS. Have you followed the 140+ motions Kimberlin filed in his motion against Seth Allen and the tactics he used to attempt to draw others into the litigation? You show absolutely no hint of it.

    How about his litigation strategy against Aaron Worthing? Again, you appear completely clueless.

    “it doesn’t take an expert to realize that your kind of affected nobility and ersatz sense of high principle is useless against amoral psychopaths.”

    That’s great, except I didn’t affect any nobility, Biff, and Ur doin it rong position means a hill of beans when you offer squat in the way of suggestions other than more Ur doin it rong.

    Blow me.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  197. Troy – Do you know Chuck Pelto?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  198. Still, I think you are totally missing the point. You think the reason some don’t want to “get down in the dirt and fight tooth-and-nail” against Occupy Rebellion, by finding buttons like something personal or some creepy private detail like a pet’s name… is because we think Brett Kimberlin is a super-villain?

    That isn’t what I wrote, Dustin. I believe anonymous psychopaths who harass rape survivors should be engaged directly and aggressively, and if that means exposing their identities and their activities publicly, cool. Doing so is not illegal or immoral or dishonorable and doesn’t ‘lower me to their level’ or any such thing. It’s the strategy I recommend because, based on past experience, I know it gets results.

    And yes, some on the Right act as if Kimberlin is something more than he is. And no, I didn’t just grow up near him. I personally know two people he victimized, one of whom is close to me and one of whom whose name appeared on Kimberlin’s ‘hit list’ made while Kimberlin was awaiting trial for the bombings. At the time, Kimberlin was desperate to get rid of possible witnesses who could compromise his alibi. There were lots of names.

    Behaving like right proper gentlemen and ladies when engaged with dirtbags like Kimberlin and his pals bestows no advantages I can see, and embracing a righteous cause does not guarantee a fait accompli. To win, one must actually, you know, fight, and that means getting your hands dirty, literally or figuratively. That’s my take, anyway.

    Troy Riser (6187e1)

  199. Comment by daleyrocks — 6/12/2012 @ 11:24 pm

    Name-calling now, daleyrocks? A little thin-skinned, aren’t you? If I was a troll, I’m betting I could have you crying by now. And I told you: insults from anonymous Internet people have no effect.

    To the point: yes, I’ve followed Aaron’s case, reading his (voluminous) account of his litigation ordeal, along with other updates that have appeared on Ace of Spades and elsewhere.

    Yes, I know a little about Seth Allen, who–if I understand correctly–attempted to troll Kimberlin on his Velvet Revolution website, which was a serious tactical mistake since I assume that’s how Kimberlin pulled his IP and exposed his identity.

    No, I don’t know Chuck Pelto, who seems to be a real estate dealer in Michigan and who likes to post on rightwingnuthouse. He’s a fellow veteran, from what I gather. I like him for that.

    And finally, no, I won’t blow you. I don’t play for that particular team, sorry–not that there’s anything wrong with that. You be whoever God intended you to be.

    Troy Riser (6187e1)

  200. Having petty disagreements is not helpful. This is a serious matter.

    Dustin (330eed)

  201. That isn’t what I wrote, Dustin.

    Yeah, it is.

    use their first name and mention local landmarks in their city, the make and model of the car they drive, where they work, and the name of their beloved goldfish.

    I think that’s a stupid tactic. If you figure out who this person is, by all means expose them. Tell Liberty Chick who is doing this. Write a post exposing this criminal.

    Don’t try to intimidate them into silence by naming their pet, job, and car. Report the story or aid someone you think can do a better job reporting the story.

    And no, I didn’t just grow up near him.

    I didn’t say your experience was limited to “just” growing up near him. I just didn’t find it relevant. You’ve left many comments criticizing Brett, and that’s great, man. I was just explaining to others that you’re not a moby… that this is sincere on your part.

    Behaving like right proper gentlemen and ladies when engaged with dirtbags like Kimberlin and his pals bestows no advantages I can see

    I explained it and you ignored it, I guess. I guess we could go on like that a million times, but you’re not interested.

    Dustin (330eed)

  202. I’m not sure what all the Brett kimberlin stuff is about. Does it make you all feel bettter to assume that sll progressives are like him? They aren’t.
    Comment by tye — 6/12/2012 @ 12:10 pm

    – Did somebody order up a can of whoop-stupid?

    Icy (74e911)

  203. Personally, I specialize in poor judgment, inappropriate use of the word “skinhead,” and frequent comprehension errors.
    Comment by Dave Surls — 6/12/2012 @ 12:57 pm

    – Effed dat fo ya!

    Icy (74e911)

  204. 192- it is rude to be told to “blow me” as daleyrocks said to troy?

    tye (999046)

  205. I suppose it is easier for simpletons to argue that rape is bad than it is for them to argue policy. Cough jd. Though in its specific case it isn’t that hard when it makes crap up.

    Comment by tye — 6/12/2012 @ 12:51 pm

    Tye, I would like you to explain this comment, please.

    Comment by Dana — 6/12/2012 @ 4:43 pm

    Chirp chirp chirp

    JD (95e569)

  206. Jd is a simpleton who lies. I thought that comment explained itself.

    tye (ab6b28)

  207. I suppose it is easier for simpletons to argue that rape is bad than it is for them to argue policy. Cough jd. Though in its specific case it isn’t that hard when it makes crap up.

    Comment by tye — 6/12/2012 @ 12:51 pm

    Tye, I would like you to explain this comment, please.

    Comment by Dana — 6/12/2012 @ 4:43 pm

    Obviously it did not explain itself. Dana, and others, asked for an explanation.

    The quickest way to get “tye” to shut up is to ask it about it’s own words, and the names it has used.

    Crickets.

    JD (95e569)

  208. Ok. I will play along. Jd days things that are not true. Mostly, he calls others liars when what they are saying are not of a “true or false” nature.

    Jd you should look up the usage of its and it’s. Simpleton.

    tye (ab6b28)

  209. Apple autoincorrect sux.

    You didnt answer Dana’s question.

    JD (95e569)

  210. Dana didn’t ask a question. Simpleton.

    tye (ab6b28)

  211. I suppose it is easier for simpletons to argue that rape is bad than it is for them to argue policy.

    Dana asked you to explain this.

    JD (95e569)

  212. Yes but that is not a question and I’ve already explained it twice. Simpleton.

    tye (ab6b28)

  213. Would you please please pretty please explain “I suppose it is easier for simpletons to argue that rape is bad than it is for them to argue policy” ? That whole lack of a question mark appears to really confuzzle you.

    JD (95e569)

  214. No it has not confused me. You simply asked me to answer a question that hadn’t been asked of me. The other day you were arguing with me over a semantic issue about a statement I made about the New Deal. Suddenly you’ve lost your sense of humor over language.

    Sigh. There are some intelligent people who comment here. You are not one of them. You are tolerated because you agree with them on most occasions. All you do is bully and harass while adding nothing of value. Youre the village idiot/thug. You hide behind the internet.

    I have more or less explained that statement three times now. Take your juice box and go watch Dora.

    tye (ab6b28)

  215. Offer some box wine JD.

    geoffb (1f4c30)

  216. Very sorry to see this happening.

    The Sanity Inspector (0472b5)

  217. Sheridan,

    OCD is treatable.

    Alan Kellogg (54d7c2)

  218. This is rich, coming from “tye”, who has been banned under multiple names. It causes me great pain to think you don’t like me, “tye”. That you bring up your New Deal comedy is priceless beyond words. I am neither tough, nor a bully, nor a thug. I just tend to highlight asshattery, something you are fluent in. Kthxby, rape apologist.

    JD (95e569)

  219. How many different names have you hid behind, “tye”?

    JD (95e569)

  220. I hit a nerve. :-)
    And you just stated something as fact when you have no proof.

    tye (72de6a)

  221. How ever will I go on, knowing that “tye/etal” don’t like me? My life no longer has any meaning.

    JD (95e569)

  222. Actually I do like you. You remind me of Biff Tannon. He was hilarious.

    tye (72de6a)

  223. I love how you are a coward. It is so endearing.

    JD (95e569)

  224. Internet tough guy.

    tye (72de6a)

  225. keyboard kommandos
    the simpering lefties go
    Full Metal Mincing

    Colonel Haiku (b6f803)

  226. I am not tough, by any stretch of the imagination. I am exactly the same in real life.

    JD (318f81)

  227. I happened on this site and I have no idea what happened but I am so sorry about this man harassing you. I am a member of Twitter: would my reporting his tweets help? I’ve never tried to use the site so I don’t know how that works but I will certainly do that. You stay strong.

    Bea (600022)

  228. This post may come across as terse and I apologize, but when I clicked on here, what I read was that you had suffered a violent sexual assault, there are others still in danger (possibly minors; I read something about email accounts of young girls), others were involved in part of this, and because he is a Marine, your case was tossed off and he walks free. And something about the State of Maryland. My question is, is he an active service member and did you report it to a federal agency?

    The reason why is because if you answer yes, and change ‘victim’ to ‘witness’, you just told my story last year. Oh, but Army, not the Marines. I have never met a civilian whisteblower and believe me, I have looked everywhere. My case involved the rape of a little girl and at least one other agent stealing child porn from their evidence area and distributing it. And I testified to an agency in Maryland.

    As far as any other part of the issues listed above, I don’t think I have much to add there. But if you did what I did going forward, please send me an email with the one I registered with. It would mean a great deal, if you have the time. I appreciate it.

    Bea (600022)


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