Patterico's Pontifications

5/21/2012

Lockerbie Bomber (Finally) Dies

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:26 am

Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber, has finally died in Libya. We were told he was going to live six months after his release. He lived almost three years.

Someone who sets off a bomb causing death should never, ever get out of prison. Al-Megrahi killed 270 people. Ed Morrissey says:

In the end, Megrahi only served eleven days for each of the murdered victims in the Lockerbie bombing.

And now we’ll probably never find out just exactly what was behind that appeasing decision to let him go.

67 Responses to “Lockerbie Bomber (Finally) Dies”

  1. Someone who sets off a bomb causing death should never, ever get out of prison.

    Amen.

    JD (318f81)

  2. #1, JD: which reminds me of this Golden Oldie from The Onion (possibley NSFW):

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/hijackers-surprised-to-find-selves-in-hell,1445/

    Simon Jester (7bec13)

  3. In the bizzaro left wing universe of crime and punishment, Liberal #1 and Liberal #2 are walking down the street, when they come upon a man on the ground, who has obviously been beaten and robbed.

    Liberal #1 inquires of the assaulted man laying on the ground, “Excuse me, Sir, who did this to you ?! Did you get a good description of the assailant ?”

    Liberal #2 follows that line of questioning with, “Yeah, we need to find out who did this to you so we can see that he is arrested and punished help him !”

    Elephant Stone (0ae97d)

  4. Someone who causes the death of another through negligence in a car accident should go to prison.

    tye (38fb96)

  5. “tye” is a clumsy deceitful moral relativist. Car accidents and intentional bombings are as similar as “tye” and honesty.

    JD (318f81)

  6. I wasn’t comparing the two, just making a statement. I believe both acts should be punished. You believe only those who disagree with your skewed ideology should be punished. Who is the moral relativist?

    tye (38fb96)

  7. See, now you are just lying again. It makes it easy o note you are a liar when you tell lies.

    I dont care about the bomber’s ideology, and if you cannot differentiate between an accident and an intentional bombing then you probably also struggle with tying your own shoes.

    Please list all the names you have commented under. Kthxby

    JD (318f81)

  8. Tye, I know you are all about the trolling, and your silly attempt at snark makes you feel witty (you are half right). But I think that folks who bomb airliners are in a class by themselves.

    You might think about that. But I suspect a stroll through the ocean of your soul would scarcely get the soles of my boots wet.

    Knock it off.

    Simon Jester (7bec13)

  9. What am I lying about? You believe both should be punished? Good!

    tye (38fb96)

  10. Iamadimwit is so transparently dishonest.

    JD (318f81)

  11. You should stick to hanging out with your terrorist buddies, maybe post some pictures of people’s houses, etc …

    JD (318f81)

  12. Is this troll really imdw? Honestly? That is profoundly sad: what a pitiful life, sneaking around to post that kind of thing.

    Simon Jester (7bec13)

  13. _____________________________________________

    Someone who causes the death of another through negligence in a car accident should go to prison.

    With that in mind, it’s a shame that so many people on your side of the political spectrum continued to make excuses for, if not lionize, Teddy Kennedy.

    Not much better are all the liberals who’ve tied themselves up in a knot to proclaim “Bill Clinton’s liaison with Monica Lewinsky was okay because it involved two consenting adults—and Paula Jones must have been lying because she was too homely to have triggered Bill’s horniness.”

    Mark (f382e9)

  14. Please list all the names you have commented under. Kthxby

    “tye” – honesty to you is like Holy Water to a vampire.

    JD (318f81)

  15. “tye” and Alex should hang out.

    JD (2307e5)

  16. Someone who sets off a bomb causing death should never, ever get out of prison.

    Amen.

    Comment by JD

    Amen.

    Dustin (330eed)

  17. tye (aka TD),

    It’s a good thing that people in Massachusetts are opposed to reckless driving that results in death. Otherwise, Ted Kennedy never would have spent the last 40 years of his life in prison.

    Oh wait. Nevermind.

    Elephant Stone (0ae97d)

  18. “He set off bombs, and then had to spend time in prison as a result of it ? What’s up with that ?”

    Bill Ayers (0ae97d)

  19. Patterico: And now we’ll probably never find out just exactly what was behind that appeasing decision to let him go.

    That part’s probably easy, and his death if anything might make that a bit easier.

    The surprising thing is that he actually did die. I wonder, did he have the disease that he died of when he was let out of prison? There is also some report that treatment stopped after the fall of Quaddafi. He didn’t have access to some medicines.

    I couldn’t quite find that, but I found this:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9258275/Second-Al-Megrahi-prostate-cancer-drug-too-expensive-for-NHS.html

    Second Al Megrahi prostate cancer drug ‘too expensive’ for NHS

    PROSTATE cancer patients are to be denied a life-extending drug used to treat Abdelbaset Also Mohmed Al Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber.

    …Al Megrahi, 60, is believed to be taking cabazitaxel to combat his prostate cancer.

    But the drugs funding watchdog has decided against allowing its use on the NHS as it claimed the drug only extends life by three months and at £22,000 is too expensive.

    The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice) reached the same decision in February about another prostate cancer drug taken by Al Megrahi, abiraterone, as it they said only extends life by four months on average.

    Critics say the two new drugs give some patients much longer than three or four extra months and do not cost as much as Nice claims…

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  20. What we need to know is who was behind teh bombing of Pan Am 103.

    I still think it is likely it was Syria (and Iran) that came up with the idea for the bomb. Quaddafi didn’t do this on his own. Rather, when Syria found it couldn’t do it, the bomb plot, or some part of the planning was contracted out to Libya.

    Later to cover *that* up, Quaddafi destroyed a French jet in 1989 just to show he would do it all by himself.

    I think there were people at Frankfurt’s airport who were involved. I think Megrahi may have bought some of the contents of the suitcase that the bomb was in, but the suitcase that was put aboard the jet in Malta did not have a bomb. The bomb did not pass through security. Suitcases were probably switched at Frankfurt by people involved in baggage handling. The only reason the bomb suitcase wasn’t just inserted into the luggage carried bny the plane was to protect the baggage handlers who wouldn’t do it unless they had this extra protection. Actually even tracing the bomb to Frankfurt was something the bombers hoped would not happen.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  21. Comment by tye — 5/21/2012 @ 8:26 am

    Someone who causes the death of another through negligence in a car accident should go to prison.

    he should stay in prison until the family of the person or person’s he killed agree he should get out. The court should try to facilitate a resolution.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  22. It could be as simple as simple as this: Once Quaddafi was ousted, he could not afford his cancer treatment any more. And it’s still not official that this actually staves off death.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  23. C’mon everybody, we already know it was a desire to secure the oil contracts that elicited this terrorist piece of garbage to be released.

    Elephant Stone (0ae97d)

  24. Look at the euroweenie and american libtard take on less egregious examples of scum, such as Roman Polanski, Ira Eichorn and Mumia. I doubt many of the Euro elite cared much about the release of the Lockerbie raghead. Wonder what the feeling over there is about the Norwegian mass murderer who might get as much as 21 years in stir? Possibly he’ll be released in enough time to go on another spree. And the more I hear about the angelic black snowflake Trayvon, the more I think white Hispanic Zimmerman did the world a favor. Dude had his own youtube channel with underground fight club scenes? Would be such a pleasure to serve on any jury acquitting him, so the race mongers could vilify and put a bounty on the jurors heads?

    Calypso Louis Farrakhan (d32e4c)

  25. Ahh, one of the regular commentors here always manages to tickle the bone of funny with his “whatever sounds the most plausible to me is probably the truth” attempts to figger out what’s really going on.

    Icy (273753)

  26. I cannot remember the word for the form of execution where the prisoner is placed in a deep, dry well, and left to die of thirst, or given only water so he dies from starvation. It’s French. (And no wiseguy say Libya.)

    nk (875f57)

  27. Considering it turns out that the ostensive grievance of the attack, the death of Quaddafi’s daughter was not true, that’s entirely plausible but unlikely, Of course, the won who gave the order was Musa Kusa, who conveniently like Fouche, switched sides, defected to London, and was last seen in Doha,

    narciso (1c125b)

  28. Sammy,

    I don’t know what planet it is that you occupy where the survivors of the victims are given a license to usurp the court in determining if a convict should be released early.

    Justice is for society collectively—it’s not just for the benefit of the surviving family members of the victim.
    Additionally, another premise for “prison” is to protect society from a person who is deemed unfit.

    People who set off bombs (outside of military actions) are unfit to live freely among society, cancer or no cancer. In fact, such people ARE a cancer.

    Elephant Stone (0ae97d)

  29. The cold truth, is Megrahi’s butchery, was covered up by the little crumbs Musa Kusa gave up, like Ibn Sheik Al Libi, the manager of the Kalden camp in Afghanistan,

    narciso (1c125b)

  30. I wasn’t comparing the two, just making a statement. I believe both acts should be punished. You believe only those who disagree with your skewed ideology should be punished. Who is the moral relativist?
    Comment by tye — 5/21/2012 @ 8:33 am

    — Not wanting to be the the innocent victim of a terr

    Icy (273753)

  31. I wasn’t comparing the two, just making a statement. I believe both acts should be punished. You believe only those who disagree with your skewed ideology should be punished. Who is the moral relativist?
    Comment by tye — 5/21/2012 @ 8:33 am

    — Not wanting to be the the innocent victim of the terrorist bombing of an airplane is considered “skewed ideology”?

    Icy (273753)

  32. I’m relying on Susskind’s account for this, which is an admittedly dodgy exercise;

    narciso (1c125b)

  33. People can disagree with “skewed ideology” all the livelong day. Others can disagree right back.

    I don’t quite see how bombing college kids out of the sky comes into it.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  34. Comment by Elephant Stone — 5/21/2012 @ 10:50 am

    <i Sammy,

    I don’t know what planet it is that you occupy where the survivors of the victims are given a license to usurp the court in determining if a convict should be released early.

    Not for an intentional murder!!

    Rather, in comment 21 in reply to comment number 4, I was speaking about a situation where someone causes the death of another through negligence in a car accident.

    This is not the current world we live in.

    Justice is for society collectively—it’s not just for the benefit of the surviving family members of the victim.

    A perpertratior could not know how the possible victim’s family of his negligence would react (by definition there would be no way of knowing who might become a victim)

    This would cause people both before and afterward to be careful. Now there’s no connection. And somebody else decides when they can get out. No apology needed, no begging for forgiveness, and compensation is a separate matter.

    How much better would have it have been if Senator Ted Kennedy had stayed in porison until the parents of Mary Jo Copechne decided he could get out. He wouldn’t have been in prison for any length of time, but there might have been a quite different attitude on his part.

    Additionally, another premise for “prison” is to protect society from a person who is deemed unfit.

    The person is unfit only because they were negligent. In the end it’s only one person deciding. The question is who should do the deciding. I think maybe a little bit of inconsistency would work best here. Even getting off easy from one person would not guarantee that it would hapepn the next time, plus of course it would be kore egregious a second time, but a court system tends to be or s beleived to be consistent. Maybe for cerftain kinds of crimes the victim should have the power to put the perpetrator back in jail. I think that might stamnp out serious crime pretty quickly, better than probation.

    People who set off bombs (outside of military actions) are unfit to live freely among society, cancer or no cancer. In fact, such people ARE a cancer.

    Not someone like that. That was no accident.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  35. You believe only those who disagree with your skewed ideology should be punished.

    No, he doesn’t believe that. And the reason you have to lie is because you know quite well just how wrong you are.

    Dustin (330eed)

  36. It was a pregnant, young woman who carried the bomb aboard.

    I am likely misquoting the Koran, a capital offense is some places: “Death will find you, though you hide in high towers.” And Satan will have jurisdiction over Megrahi until Judgment Day.

    Quadaffi is dead. Megrahi is dead. Satan is moving Judgment Day forward?

    nk (875f57)

  37. Funny how it becomes a skewed ideology to not want to get bombed by the likes of Kimberlin and the Lockerbie bomber.

    JD (2307e5)

  38. Sammy,

    That planet you come from must be pretty close to the sun, because your brain is fried.
    It’s almost like I asked you “what time is it ?” and you replied, “Well, thank you, I sure would like some Ranch dressing for my salad !”
    Justice is not merely for the surviving family members of victims of crimes.
    Justice is for society as a whole.

    It would not be a good thing for surviving family members to tell the court “when” to release the Lockerbie Bomber or Ted Kennedy for that matter, had he gone to prison.

    Keeping convicts locked up in prison not only is done as a “debt to society,” but it also prevents them from committing other crimes against society.
    In other words, a child molester kept in prison is not out on the streets molesting more children.

    By the way, Sammy, good luck with your return trip to Planet X.
    “E.T, phone home !”

    Elephant Stone (0ae97d)

  39. How insane does your ideology have to be for someone who opposes the Lockerbiw Bomber seems “skewed” to you?

    That’s really giving too much credit to a stupid troll. I will go back to ignoring the trolls.

    Dustin (330eed)

  40. Comment by Elephant Stone — 5/21/2012 @ 11:47 am

    It would not be a good thing for surviving family members to tell the court “when” to release the Lockerbie Bomber or Ted Kennedy for that matter, had he gone to prison.

    Not the Lockerbie bomber, which was done on purpose. They are two quite different kinds of cases.

    In the case of something like Ted Kennedy’s accident the important thing is to scare him and make him acknowledge what he caused.
    . eping convicts locked up in prison not only is done as a “debt to society,” but it also prevents them from committing other crimes against society.
    In other words, a child molester kept in prison is not out on the streets molesting more children.

    By the way, Sammy, good luck with your return trip to Planet X.
    “E.T, phone home !”

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  41. “Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber, has finally died in Libya.”

    Good!

    I hope his death was drawn out and agonizing.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  42. Surls, not sympathetic since he didn’t smoke dope?

    SPQR (c45ef8)

  43. oubliette: (literally, forgotten place)

    nk (875f57)

  44. I also want a drawn out and painful death, to better appreciate my life, Dave.

    nk (875f57)

  45. nk, originally a Roman punishment for Vestal Virgins who broke vows.

    SPQR (c45ef8)

  46. “I also want a drawn out and painful death, to better appreciate my life, Dave.”

    I would prefer that you have a long and happy life and that when you do die, that it’s quick and painless.

    But, whatever floats your boat.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  47. I think they buried them alive, SPQR? Cato the Younger was accused of having an affair with one. They were acquitted, but it may have been true. His accuser, Clodius Pulcher (?) was killed in a street brawl. Cato died very well, fighting Caesar.

    Thank you narciso.

    nk (875f57)

  48. This is me, saying nothing.

    Space Cockroach (8096f2)

  49. Life is pain, Dave.

    nk (875f57)

  50. SPQR,

    The Romans did put poisoners on barren rock islands to die of thirst and starvation.

    nk (875f57)

  51. Sammy,

    Justice is for all of society—not just the grieving family members.

    In addition to paying their debt to society, drunk drivers who kill people (Ted Kennedy) belong in prison not only as a debt to society, but as a way to prevent that individual from hurting anyone else in the near future.

    Also, Sammy, our nation has a tradition of an independent judiciary with checks and balances.

    And you may not be aware, but there’s already enough intimidation of witnesses and jurors in prosecutions. Can you imagine how much intimidation and bribery might take place if surviving family members had the power to usurp the judge in determining sentencing ?
    I’ll tell you right now, if sentencing operated the way you fantasize, our jails and prisons would be emptied of gang members and members of the drug cartels because they would be so intimidating against the surviving family members who, in your fantasy world, would possess the power to tell the judge to release the convict.

    When you return to Planet X, Sammy, be sure and send us a postcard !

    Elephant Stone (0ae97d)

  52. nk, the punishment for a vestal virgin who broke her vows was to be walled up and starved to death as you describe. Because it was considered dangerous to actually kill a vestal virgin as they were Rome’s “luck”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  53. “Someone who causes the death of another through negligence in a car accident should go to prison.”

    We do do that if the negligence is severe enough.

    But, what’s that have to do with what we’re talking about???

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  54. @ 53–The opera Aida set in Egypt: Rhadames and Aida united in death at the end, sealed alive to slowly die in a stone-sealed vault. So it wasn;t just vestal virgins.

    elissa (6623c8)

  55. It’s not that the doctors lied when they said he had 3 months to live; it’s that Libyan medical care is 12 times as good as Scottish prison health care.

    EchoTango (074b08)

  56. Actually, for anyone seeking novel ways to off themselves or lethal methods with which to wreak vengeance on those who have wronged you, the opera oeuvre is quite rife with ideas.

    elissa (6623c8)

  57. hot corner of Hell
    al-Megrahi and Devil
    and saucer of milk

    Colonel Haiku (6e8129)

  58. how you spell relief?
    al-Megrahi in for Mo
    new wide receiver

    Colonel Haiku (6e8129)

  59. #

    It’s not that the doctors lied when they said he had 3 months to live; it’s that Libyan medical
    56. EchoTango — 5/21/2012 @ 3:27 pm

    It’s not that the doctors lied when they said he had 3 months to live; it’s that Libyan medical care is 12 times as good as Scottish prison health care.

    Not 12 times as good – it’s that Scottish prison cum NHS medical is behind the times (especially prison care) and of course the Libyans were trying to get as low a lifespan estimate as possible, while Quaddafi gave Megrahi state of the art, even experimental, medical care.

    Of course this was not available to every Libyan, and when Quaddafi was chased out of Tripoli at the end of August, Megrahi lost access to his supply of expensive, waiting approval in the UK and USA, interminably being tested, anti-cancer drugs. He couldn’t afford them. There was, of course some still on hand, but by December, he’d stopped treatment and from then it took him five to six months to die.

    By the way, breaking news – lead story on the NBC Nightly News. A government panel came out against prostate cancer screening They says it does more harm than good. Of course it only does more harm than good when people act stupidly upon obtaining the results of a PSA test. But they can’t say that because that would really overturn medical protocols. The whole thing stems from a fundamental misunderstanding about cancer. They call things cancer that are not (yet at least) dangerous

    PSA levels tell you nothing except maybe the number of cells dividing . A higher than average level may not mean too much. The question is how high was it before. a rapidly rising PSA is a problem, otherwise no. An immediate operation carries a 1 in 200 chance of death and a 20 to 30% of serious problems, impotence, incontinence and bowel problems too. Because they cut the nerves. It is possible to avoid some of that but the surgeon has to be extremely skilled – and know he should do it!

    I knew Giuliani was wrong in 1999 when he spoke about the dangers – it has taken the medical profession a Idozen years and more to catch up and they still haven’t. There are so many obvious things the medical profession takes years and years to realize. No wonder Quaddafi was able to do so much better than Scottish physicians. (Of course he knew it too. He had better, more courageous (?) doctors working for him.

    Sammy Finkelman (8a20da)

  60. Sammy you don’t think the BP concession, secured by Mark Allen, Musa Kusa’s doubles partner at the Traveller’s Club, had not a little to do with it.

    narciso (1c125b)

  61. They are always at it, regardless of precedents;

    http://www.brennancenter.org/blog/archives/supreme_court_should_hear_latif_v._obama/

    narciso (1c125b)

  62. Sammy,

    Oh great, not only has Sammy transformed the judicial system, but now he’s disposed of western medicine. It’s all in a day’s utopian fantasies work.

    As Dennis Prager often says, many liberals don’t suffer a lack of self-esteem.

    Liberals suffer a lack of wisdom vision common sense other things—but not self-esteem !

    Elephant Stone (0ae97d)

  63. May Jesus show him the doorway to Hell and his 72 Demons.

    cedarhill (d43ab3)

  64. You all put words into my mouth while simultaneously calling me a liar. That is very dishonest and you are all dishonest people. Jd, I mean.

    tye (a9065d)

  65. There is a lot of evidence suggesting Megrahi was innocent. Didn’t it seem weird when they set him free? The excuse given was his illness, but there was much more that was embarrassing to the US, Scotland and ICC that suggests the conviction was seriously flawed.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/02/lockerbie-documents-witness-megrahi

    It’s very interesting. Megrahi was denying and appealing till they released him because the key witness had contradicted himself 19 times, then recanted, admitting perjury, and finally was found to have received some $3 million from the US in a secret “reward” payment. On top of this, a Scottish official reported evidence was planted and a CIA official confirmed this.

    The investigation also turned a blind eye to another potential suspect with ties to Palestinian terrorist groups. Another theory said the plane could have been targeted because CIA whistleblowers were on board about to expose a drug smuggling operstion.

    Remember, Megrahi was offered up in a monetary arrangement that eased sanctions against Libya, so blaming Megrahi means trusting the word of Qaddafi. Scotland admitted the trial and evidence was “a miscarriage of justice” when they let him walk.

    the ragman (655785)

  66. Oh good Allah

    JD (318f81)


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