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5/20/2012

Robert Stacy McCain on Convicted Bomber and Perjurer Brett Kimberlin

Filed under: Brad Friedman,Brett Kimberlin,General,Neal Rauhauser — Patterico @ 2:59 pm

McCain’s post is here, and it has been linked by Instapundit. Since Instapundit gets literally millions of page views a month, that means Stacy’s post has been seen by a lot of people, including journalists. Here’s an excerpt:

Since 2005, Kimberlin’s tax-exempt organization has raked in at least $1.8 million (JTMP’s 2011 IRS forms are not yet publicly available online), a remarkable total for a convicted felon who in 1981 was sentenced to 50 years in federal prison for one of the most notorious criminal rampages in Indiana history. The fact that Kimberlin appears to be especially targeting bloggers who have reported on his infamous reputation as a violent and dishonest criminal suggests the possibility that his “progressive activism” is actually an attempt to suppress the truth about his sociopathic tendencies by silencing his critics.

Law-enforcement records and extensive reporting by a host of journalists — including Gelarden, Singer, Calabresi, Nagy and Barnes — clearly document Kimberlin’s propensity for criminal acts of deceit and violence. Now, along with his accomplices Brad Friedman and self-described computer “hacker” Neal Rauhauser, the violent terrorist Kimberlin is apparently engaged in what his targets describe as an effort to hijack the court system to destroy his chosen enemies. His critics say they suspect Kimberlin’s attacks are not merely political activism, but an attempt to prevent exposure of his own nefarious conduct through a type of “lawfare,” which is defined as “the illegitimate use of domestic or international law with the intention of damaging an opponent, winning a public relations victory, financially crippling an opponent, or tying up the opponent’s time so that they cannot pursue other ventures such as running for public office.”

I was camping yesterday and didn’t get a chance to link that post, so I’m making up for it today. Also, please note that Stacy has followed up with this post today. And Aaron Worthing has rounded up some of the attention Kimberlin’s antics have received in the last 2-3 days alone. You might call it the Streisand effect — rather ironic, given that it has been revealed that Barbra Streisand has contributed thousands to an organization of Kimberlin’s.

Finally, I want to note this entry at Popehat:

I haven’t experienced anything like what blogger Aaron Worthing has experienced as a consequence of his writing about the astoundingly vile and terrifyingly sociopathic Brett Kimberlin, who for reasons that passeth understanding is still a darling to certain political activists despite the contemptible life he has led and continues to lead.

Aaron’s story is quite long. (We had a tiny, tiny piece of it here.) But he supports it with primary documents and video recordings, and ultimately it’s a wrenching depiction of how the system doesn’t prevent crazy and/or evil people from victimizing innocents — a depiction of how the system can be the instrument of such victimization. It’s not a pretty story, but it’s worth reading.

Kimberlin’s folks will almost certainly keep up the harassment, which will likely make this a rich vein of material for some time to come.

I want to emphasize that this is not a political issue. Certainly, Kimberlin uses a stated affiliation for lefty politics as a way to fool people into supporting him and giving him money. But I firmly believe he has no real politics. He cares about himself, period. It would be a mistake to turn this into a right/left controversy; indeed, that’s just what he wants, I suspect. Kimberlin has gone after people on the left who cross him, and responsible people on the left who support organizations like The Tides Foundation would be appalled if they were to learn the uses that Tides Foundations grants have been put to.

Kimberlin’s supporters investigate and “out” bloggers and even blog commenters and their family members. This is not a partisan issue. Everyone should oppose it.

134 Responses to “Robert Stacy McCain on Convicted Bomber and Perjurer Brett Kimberlin”

  1. Patterico – Can I post a fake $100,000 reward that nobody has a chance of collecting like Brad and Brett over at Velvet Revolution?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2. Finally had time this wkend to catch up on Aaron’s (and Patterico’s) posts on this subject. Am so sorry to hear how much Aaron and his wife are going through, but glad to see so many people expressing, and giving, support. Add mine to that as well.

    no one you know (498806)

  3. Why are you linking someone you outed as a possible racist?

    SteveG (e27d71)

  4. SteveG,

    This is a very important issue. Mr Mccain is doing an excellent job covering it.

    Why drive wedges and pick at old scabs? That was a crappy feud and I’m impressed to see adults rise above it to discuss a major story.

    You also are trivializing the term ‘outed’. Nothing Patterico has ever done comes close to it. This isn’t about criticism.

    Dustin (330eed)

  5. Also, Robert Stacy Mccain and Ken at Popehat are two of the many brave people who jumped on this issue before it hit critical mass. Had they not, I’m not sure it would have hit critical mass, which makes it much easier for everyone to safely discuss the thugs without being targeted.

    They have earned tremendous respect for that.

    Pat’s right that this isn’t really about politics. Aaron was helping a low income liberal who was faced with Brett’s lawfare. Kos banned Neal for his behavior (which included targeting Patterico’s wife, in my opinion).

    These people want liberals to think this is all about an attack on them, and I’m surprised at how successful Brett Kimberlin has been at getting donations from people like Barbara Streisand and Teresa Heinz Kerry. Lefties who care about their causes need to do more homework so they don’t accidentally fund Brett, a walking lawfare campaign against honest liberals and honest conservatives who dare to speak the truth about Brett.

    Dustin (330eed)

  6. It’s not left-right politics, but it is partisan politics (except many people on the “side” he is on, may not want him, and also possibly he may be considered rogue or independent – not really aligned with anybody. But perhaps there are a couple of people all aligned with Brett Kimberlin. He may not be completely rogue.)

    It was not politically neutral to make up stories about Dan Quayle. There are a lot of people who want to believe stories about Republicans, and he’s part of that. And some people want to think they know everything about Democrats, and we get that too. And sometimes here is something badly wrong, just not the exact story that’s being told

    Sammy Finkelman (8a20da)

  7. Any decent person should condemn these creeps.

    If I remember correctly, a liberal lawyer saw what was going on and helped Aaron out.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  8. Someday, they will get what they have coming to them. What they deserve.

    RSM – Ron Bry is one of them.

    JD (605175)

  9. This is who Brad Freidman chooses to do leftist business with.

    JD (605175)

  10. This is a guy whose story should be on “Investigation Discovery.” That TV channel seems to be favored by people who use catheters but I don’t care. (I don’t use a catheter).

    Mike K (326cba)

  11. Dustin – BK has no cause but BK – and even his marks must be on to him by now. It’s all so greasy and poorly done, and his pretty lies about his own life risk dragging down an outlook they’d like to pass off with some credit.

    His shtick obviously hinged on not only figuring out what the wanted but making them think they were getting it.

    The angrier left leans romantic notions of dark unscrupulous figures connected to a criminal underground that can git R done.

    Now that her really can’t – folks are on to him, and he’s so mortifyingly awful – he doesn’t have all that much to offer.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  12. I think that there is a lot about which folks can be proud of here. The first few people to stand up run risks, but as more and more voices rise in protest—that it is wrong to harass and falsely accuse your opponents—the better for all of us.

    Ask yourself: would you genuinely want to see someone with whom you disagree politically run out of a job, or in fear for their lives? Decent people do not.

    Maybe—maybe—this will be the beginning of folks on BOTH sides saying, enough is enough.

    Perhaps not, but I can hope.

    Simon Jester (7bec13)

  13. Sammy, you’re quite right that Brett’s schemes have more or less consistently used stories some on the left wanted to believe. Karl Rove, Dan Quayle, Andrew Breitbart… they are the boogeymen. And even now, Seth would have a lot of critical things to say about Andrew Breitbart. We’ve argued about him here and there, but mostly we agree to not worry about politics and focus on justice and truth.

    Brett’s apparent leftward tild may just be a matter of timing. IIRC, he started with the political smears when he claimed he sold drugs to Dan Quayle. That angle works better against a Republican. Imagine someone trying to say they sold pot to Bill Clinton or Al Gore (or Bentson and Dukakis)? It wouldn’t have the same effect. Partly just because of the politics of the drug issue, and partly because those dems in a liberal media who will believe this kind of story are more numerous than republicans in a liberal media. What Republicans were in the 1988 media were constantly exposed to challenges to their worldview, and accordingly more skeptical of stupid smears like drug dealer / already convicted perjurer Brett’s claim he sold drugs to Dan Quayle.

    But whatever Brett’s reason to target the left (they are the marks… it’s their money in Brett’s pocket) with smears on the right, the point is that everyone is better off with this story being understood. Conservatives won’t be as effectively smeared, and liberals can donate to much more worthy progressive causes.

    I admit this fiasco has burned me out on politics. There are jerks on both sides. Nothing is getting solved. I’m more interested in music, beer, my dog learning how to herd things, etc.

    This thuggery is probably the new normal for politics. It’s too easy.

    Dustin (330eed)

  14. “This is who Brad Freidman chooses to do leftist business with.”

    JD – Siebels Bruce and Diebold! have not yet brought Fred Briedman (Mr. Election) the fame and fortune he feels he so rightly deserves.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  15. Brett is probably primarily a criminal. But the following quote seems to indicate some interest in politics:

    His critics say they suspect Kimberlin’s attacks are not merely political activism, but an attempt to prevent exposure of his own nefarious conduct through a type of “lawfare,” which is defined as “the illegitimate use of domestic or international law with the intention of damaging an opponent, winning a public relations victory, financially crippling an opponent, or tying up the opponent’s time so that they cannot pursue other ventures such as running for public office.”

    Of course if he wants to do whatever he’s doing, he needs first of all to destroy anyone who would make better known the truth about him. But that’s not his goal. That’s just something he needs to do to get to his goal.

    Some people say he’s just trying to raise money, and that’s his only goal.. I suspect he really is trying to help some candidates and campaigns. Not out of principle, of course, but because they could help him back. The simplest way would be paying him.

    Of course the politics of Brett Kimberlin are not left and right or even Democrat and Republican. More likely, he’s on a crusade to get bad corrupt and extremely conniving people in office.

    This group of people seemed to be against Anthony Weiner, and then even more against exposure of their real identities. They were also against Breitbart. A possible candidate this would be connected to is John Liu, at the time rival candidate for Mayor of New York in the 2013 election.

    Sammy Finkelman (8a20da)

  16. The real goal among the Bad People is to silence dissent through intimidation.

    Simon Jester (7bec13)

  17. Siebels whoever

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  18. Dustin – BK has no cause but BK – and even his marks must be on to him by now.

    I agree on both points. It has been unfortunate that you can’t just google up quotes from Citizen K. I see my favorite blogger is working on that oversight.

    Now we have a long list of awesome bloggers discussing this interesting and important story! Most of them had no idea about this. Now they do. Tomorrow morning, many more. An onward. What Brett was desperately trying to prevent was inevitable the second he screwed with Aaron Worthing. My guess: he thought he could pick on Aaron because Aaron has a learning disability. He miscalculated that this meant Aaron was weak or stupid or would give in easily. Nope.

    Dustin (330eed)

  19. Brett Kimberlin came from Indiana. In 1988, Dan Quayle was the only national politician he could make a plausible claim of exposing. But it also may be Democrats were more wont to lie, since the time of Jimmy Carter.

    Sammy Finkelman (8a20da)

  20. Remember the October Surprise? Selling drugs to fund the contras? These libels had already started when Brett Kimberlin began his political story telling. At first it was just to get himself out of jail.

    Sammy Finkelman (8a20da)

  21. True.

    In other words, picking Dan Quayle made sense for the smear, even if he wasn’t really all that worried about who won the election.

    Sarah’s right. The underlying interest is just Brett’s interest.

    Dustin (330eed)

  22. Sorry for this weirdly put post (Twitter is messing with my brain!) but I have been seeing Sarahw around a lot and wanted to say that she is wicked smart!

    Noodles (3681c4)

  23. And most people don’t know even a fraction of what they have done.

    JD (605175)

  24. Yeah, Noodles, Sarah is sharp. She and Seth are complete opposites except they are both good with detailed fact patterns and have a distaste for thugs.

    Dustin (330eed)

  25. Great story to follow. I was reading through Occupy rebellion (darrah/neal) tweets today. I saw one that said that Weiner had ratted on a person whom he (occupy/neal/darrah) knows to the FBI. So, if Occupy is Neal and Darrah (which I think is correct)we now have motive for wanting to hurt Weiner and makes it more likely Occupy is Darrah is Dan Wolfe. Darrah wanted revenge on Stack in porn world. Occupy/Neal has a grudge on Weiner for ratting someone to the FBI. Stack and Weiner were both enemies of Darrah/Neal. Darrah (Neal) creates Dan Wolfe and takes them both out (Weiner and Stack).

    Possible?

    Elle (d14677)

  26. Liberal’s are mislabeled “useful idiots”. As Ayers and Dohrn lead the discussions, they are the first to be terminated once the Progressives come into their own.

    Sad irony that a wildcat nihilist could make real money off them as well.

    I don’t know that I can raise my kid to be conservative, but I’ve got a lot of faith on the liberals in her life to do so against their will.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  27. Occupy also commented in a tweet about an earlier comment I made on a prior post about the connections to porn they all have (including weiner with ginger lee). He seemed a bit defensive about it and wanted it corrected. I felt like I might have hit on something. Why respond to lil ole me. I’m just an amateur sleuth who reads blogs. I didn’t see him reacting to other items from other posters, so it stuck out a bit.

    Elle (d14677)

  28. So anyway I was reading though excerpts of Citizen K on google , with the object of finding as much as I could about the history and fate of Sandra Barton and her daughters, the little girls that were the object of so much of his attention.

    Besides the skin crawling creeps from the way he would talk about the blue eyed pre-teen girls, one dark, one fair – “One is more like Lynda Carter” the other “Cheryl Tiegs”,

    His showering of one with presents and bribery, as described by his “Lynda Carter” who received them, and his own description of his intense “special” attachment to the other… (brrrr)

    ended in Sandusky deja vu, and a sinking feeling.

    I have to paraphrase it, since i cant get the excerpt to pop up again, but there’s a passage describing Sandra Barton’s testimony in the Speedway trial about his reaction to her confronting him, telling him to leave her daughter alone, to have no more contact.
    She says [paraphrasing]: He became very upset, distraught, and said he didn’t see any use in going on”

    Sandusky confronted by mother of boy: “I wish I were dead” (But he’s still living)

    That “pity me” defense seems to get around.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  29. Elle – it is far more simple to just note that Bret, and Neal, and Ron B, and Freidman, and Naffe, and the rest of their ilk, are bad dishonest people. All the rest muddies up the water. They are bad vile disgusting people.

    JD (605175)

  30. Dustin

    You are correct and I apologize… it was the Coors Light speaking.Letting beer speak alongside me is not a good idea.
    So..I will withdraw from this conversation

    SteveG (e27d71)

  31. Very good comment from Simon Jester at #12.

    The free exchange of ideas is at the heart of this country. People seeking honest discourse should be viewed as brethren. People seeking to impede discourse should be viewed with suspicion.

    Leviticus (870be5)

  32. Let’s set up a defenestration’s fund and also hire attorneys to challenge the revolutions tax status

    Oh, they can send their screed my way anyday let em try

    Ericpwjohnson (2f8a5f)

  33. Elle, that’s a thought provoking and interesting theory.

    I can’t say if you’re right or not. Film Ladd’s theory is very good because it answers the sophistication question the best, but yours answers the motive question very well.

    One problem is these folks have thoughtfully made it complicated. I think much of their actions were meant to create motive questions that don’t lead to them (much like the Speedway Bombing plan, IMO).

    It’s going to be difficult to solve that aspect, but I’m glad some are still interested. I agree with JD’s summary for the time being.

    Dustin (330eed)

  34. Defense fund

    Ericpwjohnson (2f8a5f)

  35. It’s beyond obvious which category Mr. Kimberlin falls into.

    Leviticus (870be5)

  36. So..I will withdraw from this conversation

    Comment by SteveG

    No need, sir. We all goof up like that. I’ve done it too. Grudges are very effective temptations and we’re only human.

    Dustin (330eed)

  37. I had been curious about why would progressives target another progressive. If I recall correctly, Stack simply retweeted a tweet from Dan Wolfe. Why Stack got that fateful first tweet had never been answered and why would Wolfe want to take out Weiner? One person had a grudge/revenge motive for both of them and had the means (by reputation) to accomplish it. Wolfe saw that tweet from Weiner immediately – stalker like. Weiner tried to immediately delete but it was already too late. The WHY of it has been of interest to me. It wasn’t random. It was a plan lying in wait for an event to occur. It did.

    Elle (d14677)

  38. Noodles, you are reasonably close to the mark. if you read through this post, when i talk about popehat, i tell you a little more about my lawyer.

    Aaron "Worthing" (73a7ea)

  39. I agree with Leviticus about Simon’s comment. IMO bipartisanship doesn’t mean that people have to agree, only that they have to really listen to each other … and that means people have to be free to say what they really think.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  40. I saw another tweet from occupy instructing ronbryn to do his thing and find a connection between two guys. One guy has a supposed connection to AceofSpades and the ratting to the FBI issue so that answers the question of for whom Ron works. Looks like Occupy/Neal. Neal/Occupy also has a grudge against Ace and may have revenge motives for him due to this FBI ratting story that damned Weiner.

    Elle (d14677)

  41. Elle,

    Interesting theories. But instead of being a target, what if Mike Stack were in on it, too?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  42. Thanks Aaron.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  43. So, I count three people who have been targeted due to revenge motives of one person. It connects a lot of dots for me.

    Elle (d14677)

  44. responsible people on the left who support organizations like The Tides Foundation would be appalled if they were to learn the uses that Tides Foundations grants have been put to.

    I’d like to point out that RSM has linked and quoted the relevant bit of the JTMP website. It’s nonprofit world boilerplate; the staff of Tides (and I’m a little surprised they were taken in) presented much of that statement of purpose to the board, and the board awarded a grant. What’s mysterious is why the heck the staff didn’t take one look at the 990, and flag the proposal for funding. It’s not a minor thing – this organization is a long, long way from the transparency that’s expected in non-profits.

    The Streisand Foundation has me scratching my head – I cannot get a strong sense of their staff and its duties. The grants list is pretty mainstream, all things considered. I’m not saying it doesn’t lean left, but it’s not insane left. So how this particular award got through is a really excellent question.

    Honestly, the various granting organizations have some explaining to do.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  45. Er, I’m blind. I meant that the staff of Tides should have taken one look at the 990 and flagged JTMP for non-funding!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  46. Do some googling of Darrah Ford and Goatsred. They hated each other. Big big huge fights about porn issues. They had a history and it was vicious. If Darrah is Neal and we know Goatsred is Stack, then it all makes sense. I think Stack was a victim and got played by Neal who wanted to destroy Stack unrelated to Weiner. So I don’t think he was in on it.

    Separately, Neal wanted to destroy Weiner for the FBI incident.

    I think Darrah/Neal cultivated Stack via Dan Wolfe to eventually destroy Stack. kinda like how a pedophile grooms a victim. Lots of pedophilia smoke in the Kimberlin story. Dan seemed to use the grooming behavior pattern. The familiar tactic used by Neals sockpuppets.

    He didn’t know exactly how he would destroy him, but something would pop up. It did.

    It also explains the motive to Swat Stack. Darrah Ford really really hated Stack really a lot. Again, same person had the revenge motive.

    The only emotion Narcissists feel is revenge. It occurs when they are thwarted.

    Elle (d14677)

  47. You seem to know a lot about this, Elle.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  48. Neal is buds with the smoking gun guy. neal outed stack to the smoking gun and stack was destroyed..maybe limping. He was destroyed when he was swatted. This was more revenge for Neal executed on Stack. Again, common denominator is Neal in all the confusion and noise.

    Elle (d14677)

  49. Rauhauser carries water with and for Mr. Perjury BK McTerrorist. No need to pick.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  50. I like your thinking Elle.

    These looney tunes weren’t sitting around smoking a joint, and then spontaneously decided to take down one of their own heroes. Weiner was a great Progressive – nasty, mean, egotistical, & had a deep contempt for women. And Republicans are too stupid – conservatives too ethical – to organize & run a pol/op like the one that destroyed Weiner.

    Whoever decided to destroy him had to have very strong motivation – enough to carry through hours, days, weeks, months, of tedious tweeting & creating & maintaining dozens (?) of personas. And where was GNC in all of this? A bystander? Participant? Fan of Weiner’s, then she figured out what her new pals were doing, and like a true Soviet Socialist, decided to keep her mouth shut so as not to alienate her buddies. Or was she the unknowing bait for Weiner? And where is Miss Priss these days?

    BTW, re the non-profit business – LUG’s & states continue to pour taxpayer $$$ down the toilet to non-profits, with a history of mismanaging (understatement) funds. Project Homestead in NC was an infamous example. Cruises, jewelry, clothes, etc. – all paid for by NC taxpayers, and various Lefty foundations. Went on for years but it was part of the game. Funding org’s know that it’s part of the system – it’s how the game is played. You KNOW a lot of $$$ will be wasted – but it’s the results that count – even if the result is only good publicity for “economic & social justice” causes.

    Just found out that my alma mater, a once-Christian college, hosted James Rucker of Velvet Revolution a few months ago. They are succeeding – they are getting more & more mainstream.

    Miranda (ada92d)

  51. btw, Dustin’s theory that i was singled out for my disabilities actually has some evidence to back it up. I would give it a 70% chance of me sharing it within the next few days.

    Aiiieee my eyes! (73a7ea)

  52. Dianna, I hope more people pay attention to your point. This charity is not transparent… in fact it’s oddly not transparent even if you don’t know it’s run by a very dishonest person.

    I noticed you and Sarah discussing this at RSM’s blog (and everyone should follow RSM’s blog… if you don’t you aren’t getting the best coverage on Kimberlin).

    It’s great seeing people focus on this stuff. Did Streisand’s organization get explanations that fills gaps? Were funds misused? What did Seth get close enough to that Brett unleashed this effort? Something about his tenacity and urgency has seemed more than just ‘I’m mad’ to me. I think Brett mistakenly thought Aaron and Seth had added something up. I think it’s possible for us to figure it out.

    Dustin (330eed)

  53. Aaron, I hesitated to mention that at all. I’ve seen how “not brett kimberlin” has tried so hard to label you. Personally, I think it’s ridiculous given your extremely well sourced posts making an ironclad case.

    Now the truth is on Instapundit + 50 other blogs. Your game wasn’t to win an internet fight with Brett. That was his game. But he lost that one.

    It’s not nearly enough, and I think Maryland’s justice system, which was used as a tool against you, is not doing even the minimum for you. Here we are, hopefully all of us having watched the proof of perjury, and there they are, … doing nothing about it.

    Dustin (330eed)

  54. Remember how Kimberlin flat lied to the judge about being sent back to the pokey, parole revoked, for making bad-faith efforts to avoid paying the civil-judgment against him?

    If you are bored like a psychopath, you might enjoy the vicarious pleasure of BK trying to make the monkeys dance and observe him get told he is the monkey and no, monkey, YOU DANCE.

    I’m sure it’s linked everywhere, but here it is is if you haven’t seen it. Bonus: His nasty sister appeared to me to be colluding to help him avoid the judgement.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  55. Dustin @ #52 – Honestly, it’s all about staff.

    Almost 15 years ago, I explained to my then-boss who Rudolph Steiner was. It didn’t change how a Waldorf school was presented, but it allowed him to have an answer, if any question arose.

    Staff presents material to the board. When you see a grant, what you need to keep in mind is that most of the time, the board trusted the staff to spend time and do “due diligence.” The staff may have not even thought to google Kimberlin – that is my personal guess – but the material is so boiler-plate that you have to wonder what attracted the board to it. Possibly the combination of “music, voting, and youth”?

    In any case, the staff of each foundation seem not to have caught things that would have me jumping out of my chair.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  56. “And Republicans are too stupid – conservatives too ethical – to organize & run a pol/op like the one that destroyed Weiner”

    You must not have ever worked on a political campaign.

    FilmLadd (1ddcfb)

  57. Remember how Kimberlin flat lied to the judge about being sent back to the pokey, parole revoked, for making bad-faith efforts to avoid paying the civil-judgment against him?

    I do!

    I wonder who that woman was in that Aaron v Kimberling video, who saw the event but was heartless if she knew what Brett said about it (and it’s pretty darn likely she did) not to correct the record. There was a period before that video came out where it was scary for Aaron. Even though Brett shouldn’t have any reputation, he’s a hell of a good liar. Without that video… all I’ve got to say is a prayer was answered there.

    It’s tragic how Sandra Delong was treated, Sarah. Her dose of the legal games Brett and Cynthia played must have been far more painful even than Aaron’s ordeal (not to downplay his at all!).

    At the very least, Brett paid a penalty that time. He went back to prison, where he should be today. He flat lied about it, true.

    I think the reason he lied there was because he so desperately wants to claim his criminal past was just one isolated ‘charge’ from the ‘1970s’. So he can’t fess up to not being reformed from his prison sentence… in fact being so bad his parole was revoked for how he treated the victim of that ‘one’ (35) ‘charge’ (convictions).

    Dustin (330eed)

  58. The desire to leave partisan politics out of this and keep the focus on Kimberlins lack of character and ethics is fair enough. And to be honest some on the center right have failed this test as well. Having said all of that Kimberlin is the posterboy for the ‘sex drugs and rock’n roll’ left. His affection for using and dealing marijuana has been well documented. I suspect at some point the chronic use of this drug destroyed his character and ultimately his soul. I for one am not afraid to say so.

    MrPaulRevere (0442fd)

  59. True, the parallel is with another drug dispensing
    terrorist, Eric Rudolph, who cut a bloody swath in the mid 90s, through the Southern US,

    narciso (1c125b)

  60. MrPaulRevere, I’m inclined to think he was born that way.

    Dustin, I hadn’t noticed the woman and now I’m curious. Would be a long way to travel – Cynthia is now an LPC, of all things, in Utah. She’s in numerous “practice feeder” directories, but no website, no instantly googled pics.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  61. Perhaps SarahW. The entire story of the mans life influences is one we will probably never know. Born evil is definitely a possibility. Brett Kimberlin IS a man of the hard left, a hardcore lifetime leftist. We should not be shy about pointing this out.

    MrPaulRevere (0442fd)

  62. Sarah, I should have been more clear.

    I have no good guess who the woman in that video is. I just think it’s sad to contemplate that someone knew Brett was lying, but let someone wither on the vine. Perhaps she didn’t know how he described the event? That’s hard to imagine, but possible.

    But a lot of these people believed some crazy thing Brett told them. They didn’t mean to do harm. But a few seem to have no excuse.

    Dustin (330eed)

  63. I think it more interesting that the hard left has anything to do with him. What he’s selling sells in that quarter.. Bk is in the game for Bk.

    On pg 54 of citizen K, google provides a snippet:

    …he could get you to operate under a pretense of camaraderie! Then he would use that. he proffered to play on your greed And your insecurity about your meal ticket? He talked about going straight, but he had no interest in that. He had an interest in being a robber baron. Selling pot was love and peace to the rest of us, but to Brett it was fig-[ures?]…

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  64. Prayers are up and ongoing, for all who have been and are continuing to be targeted…

    Sue (4af62d)

  65. Dustin, I still need to go back and see who exactly you are talking about. … Totally true about his dupes and his marks. Some were played, some had their eyes wide shut.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  66. Proffered should be “preferred” [DYAC]

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  67. Thumb typing on an iPad … Should be period and not question mark after ” meal- ticket “

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  68. breaking news at my blog. The bastard filed ANOTHER peace order against me.

    Aiiieee my eyes! (73a7ea)

  69. Ah, crap, that was me as “Aiiiieee my eyes.”

    So again, go to my blog, breaking news. he filed another peace order against me.

    Aaron "Worthing" (73a7ea)

  70. BK is only a lefty to fit in with his brand model, period. The excerpt provided just above by Sarahw explains that.

    His passion is for making money.

    Dustin, basically I was able to dig into the hoaxing (not rocket science) while uncovering connections, e.g. to the heir of the Oliver Grace Estate, philanthropist Lori Grace. Myself and then TLNL had common sense questions with the latter summing up this story in one word. Kerching!

    There was a woman at the Sept. hearing. Probably around 30. I googled for a picture of the Darrah Ford lady but couldn’t find one.

    If Occupy Rebellion is indeed a female, my hunch is she’s that woman. The one with Brett at Aaron’s thingie was probably his mom or his philanthropist aunt Harriet Crosby, imho.

    As for Ronald Brynaert, I can’t think of any other explanation than he is working for the bad guys. His recent pro-Kimberlin Wikipedia submission couldn’t have been written better than Larisa Alexandrovna herself.

    There are historical tangents to this story, but most don’t know anything about them. I’m talking about convolution from the past. I was able to make some startling connections. Here’s one. A VR affiliate is called Progressive Independent. Their founder Tinoire is a self-proclaimed hard lefty, but she also admitted to having been in military intelligence. Uhm, lefties don’t tend to be in the military. She made a blunder admitting that on a Ronald Reagan forum. It was similar to Markos Moulitsas admitting he had come inches away from joining the CIA full-time for clandestine operations.

    Those were self-inflicted wounds. Same as BK’s past being ignored by Brad Friedman. He figured I was one person who could be spun as a multi-personality supertroll. While Larisa could do clean-up at DKos and Democratic Underground.

    Sure I was persistent, but all I really had was my blog. I tried to get it done at the Political Flesh Feast-Daily Kos off-shoot (FSZ) but got trolled on very badly. The same thing happened to Dave Weintraub when he was giving Daily Kos its final beatdown for credibility. You righties have to understand that the few of us have had nowhere to go for the most part than solo. Same thing happened to Francis Holland. This BK-BradBlog story only finally started to gain serious zeitgeist traction once the cavalry arrived in the form of Mandy, Patrick, and Dustin. (see the enemy of my enemy is my friend p:>) I also started to pile on with more entries during that October-November time frame (unfortunately deleted due to the default).

    One of Tinoire’s best buddies is Mike Rivero of What Really Happened dot com. That dude has been so anti-semitic that even Alex Jones had to give him the heave-ho. Most of you on this blog who have been around for years know who he is. He used to post at Free Republic. I think he got the boot for being a crackpot.

    Rivero is well-known for Jooo hate. As a right winger, it was surprising that he and the “lefty” Tinoire were so close. One bit later found showed that Mike Rivero had worked for McDonnell Douglas. For someone supposedly against the “New World Order,” it’s amazing he used to work for the #1 arms manufacturer at the time.

    Hmmm, another find of mine was of a now non-existent, except for at my blog, screen capture from VR’s affiliate The Lonestar Iconoclast. At the bottom of the page was a frontpage blurb previewing an article within writen by Eric May, another right woos left, anti-Jooo conspiracy theorist. I could go on. Better yet, anyone interested should read my blog posts titled Incestuous Relations parts one and two at DFQ2.

    There’s so much more too. Wayne Madsen, another crackpot and apparently ex-NSA, is also friendly with Tinoire. And let’s not forget the close ties between the BradBlog-Raw Story milieu to ex-CIA Larry Johnson and to hack reporter Jason Leopold.

    I can’t win for saying it, but I feel I was justified in wondering if there was some kind of modern day cointelpro taking place on the internet. Now I am trying to keep it simple. Crazy hoaxes led to major donations and grants.

    Prepostericity (472d4b)

  71. Can we get a link to the Lonestar Iconoclast being a VR affiliate?

    Anyone else remember that publication? If memory serves, it was a place where Ellie Light astroturf was published.

    Patterico (6c1497)

  72. Hi Patrick,

    Here’s something I rewrote from one of the 21 deleted entries.

    Incestuous Relationships Part 1

    The first half of that is mostly a rehash of the LA Steel-Raw Story-Larisa-Speedway Bomber, etc. stuff. Right after you get to the Karl Rove-Kimberlin photo from BradBlog, it gets briefly into The Lonestar Iconoclast. Then a bit further down is a section titled, The Lonestar Iconoclast Connection. I’m definitely feeling an itch to socratise it again and check out this Ellie Light you speak of.

    In part 2, the connection is touched on again including info on Raw Story’s Stephen Webster having worked for The Lonestar Iconoclast.

    I never looked into it too much, but I wouldn’t be surprised if The Iconoclast was a conspiracy theory tabloid.

    I do know the links found proving they are a close VR affiliate were scrubbed.

    If interested, folks can easily get to part two through the sidebar.

    This is the kind of stuff I enjoyed most as a blogger, the so-called cybersleuthing.

    And whenever someone trolled me, it pushed me to dig further. So thank-you Brad, Larisa, Mike Rivero trolls, Tinoire, et al for egging me on. Haha, myself and The_Last_Name_Left also had fun going after anti-semite David Dees (the animator highlighted by goofball Jeff Rense), fake lefty and Kossack Al Giordano of Narco News, and Agent 99 (the anti-semitic moderator for Brad Friedman).

    There’s something called right woos left. That was a phrase coined by I believe Chip Berlet. His schtick focused on mostly the 9/11 Joos did it nonsense. I think right woos left can be applied to a lot of things.

    If folks research American conspiracy theory, they’ll run across the John Birch Society, Lyndon Larouche, and other tools. I think a lot of the convolution on the net is an extension of that. I will admit that a guilty pleasure of mine was to listen to a good Alex Jones rant.

    This is the kind of stuff I got into as a blogger, what I wanted to most understand. The convolution.

    There’s an endless supply of it. I noticed it had infiltrated the left-o-sphere. You know what I’m talking about. I think the first time I read your blog was way back when, probably to do with Jason Leopold. Or I was googling Larisa. Kinda forget. One of them. Or Larry Johnson.

    Sorry for rambling and going off-topic or bringing up things too difficult for newbies and fence-sitters to fit into the big picture. Hopefully people can see how this stuff transcends right-left political discussion except for on the shallow surface.

    Imho, both left and right have had their fair share of fruitcakes co-opting their ideologies through the dispersal of internet convolution. And I simply feel, as does freelancer Joe Lauria, that the MSM is simply not into covering it. They only covered it briefly with Weiner cause he was a Congressman.

    Prepostericity (472d4b)

  73. Two things, Aaron:
    Why did you pick a fight with a killer in the first place?
    And can you please fix your comment form so people don’t need to spend half an hour to find they don’t want to sign?

    nk (875f57)

  74. R.I.P. Robin Gibb

    You Should Be Dancing . . . yeah

    Icy (ab44b5)

  75. Yup, Elvis is dead, Stevie Ray Vaughn is dead, Robin Gibb is deahttp://patterico.com/2012/05/16/does-04-08-12/#comment-968355d, and I don’t feel all that good myself.

    nk (875f57)

  76. Sorry, glitch, let’s see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeHZ5rJfnh4 Might work.

    nk (875f57)

  77. All right, nitty gritty.

    Kimberlin committed crimes. He was tried and convicted. He went to prison. He was let out.

    Why the self-appointed Nemeses? And should the self-appointed Nemeses snivel because they bit off more than they could chew?

    nk (875f57)

  78. Hounding a man for his past, when he paid the price society asked …

    That’s just not right.

    nk (875f57)

  79. Was lucky enough to see Stevie Ray in ’86.

    Brilliant. Will never forget it.

    Icy (ab44b5)

  80. My first wife and I were regulars at Buddy Guy’s, 90-92. Occasional for another ten years. Hell of a thing that helicopter crash. Stevie Ray Vaughn, BTW, is the music behind David Bowie’s Serious Moonlight tour.

    nk (875f57)

  81. What is Buddy Guy’s and why is it special, NK?

    SarahW (b0e533)

  82. Buddy Guy is a very good blues musician in his own right. He had the best blues club in Chicago. Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughn, and Taj Majal, among others, were regular performers there. Stevie Ray Vaughn and Eric Clapton were flying back, by helicopter, from a performance in Wisconsin, to play at Buddy Guy’s. Stevie Ray Vaughn’s helicopter crashed.

    nk (875f57)

  83. nk

    are you being sarcastic?

    He started this. all of this. he contacted me, tried to out me, tried to get me and my wife killed, tried to frame me for a crime, did get me fired.

    Paid his debt to society? I doubt he paid his debt to the DeLongs. And he certainly didn’t reform, as his recent conduct attests.

    Aaron "Worthing" (73a7ea)

  84. The world is full of psychos, Aaron. How did you get into his radar? Did you go after him first?

    nk (875f57)

  85. I was watching the Sherlock Holmes, and Kimberlin more like a Moriarty figure, he engineered this bogus claim in order to get himself out of prison, for offenses which covered up other crimes.

    narciso (1c125b)

  86. Nk, read my post and you will know the answer to that question.

    It started with me giving Seth Allen a little free legal advice.

    But that is enough for Kimberlin. Read the post. They tried to get Kman fired for refusing to give them my name. They threatened the lawyer who represented me, Beth Kingsley. I haven’t publicized it but they have tried to smear my attorney in the peace order hearing, Reginald Bours as well as the judge involved.

    Kimberlin has absolutely no sense of proportion. either that, or it was all a smokescreen and what this really is, is part of his effort to take on Breitbart and they thought I was a weak link. Pick your explanation.

    Aaron "Worthing" (73a7ea)

  87. Let me be even more rude. Did you or he pick the fight? And, if you, why? Do you go down to the Mojave and step on sidewinders for the fun of it?

    nk (875f57)

  88. Alright, I get it, I should have remembered it. You helped out one of his victims. I apologize. Nothing wrong with stomping sidewinders.

    nk (875f57)

  89. > Did you or he pick the fight?

    What specifically are you referring to?

    Aaron "Worthing" (73a7ea)

  90. His lawsuit against you. But you reminded me and
    I remembered that you helped out Seth Allen. I have already apologized.

    nk (875f57)

  91. At 63. above there’s a Google books snippet from page 54 of Citizen K. Here’s a non-thumb typed version:

    … he could get you to operate under the pretense of camaraderie, the he would used that. He preferred to play upon your greed and your insecurity about your meal ticket. He talked about going straight, but he had no interest in that. He had an interest in being a robber baron. Selling pot was love and peace to the rest of us, but to Brett it was fig-[ures?]…

    SarahW (b0e533)

  92. False alarm. I believe I was thinking of the Lone Star Times, not the Lone Star Iconoclast.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  93. nk,

    Are you saying that if someone merely chose to blog about convicted bomber and perjurer Brett Kimberlin, then they “started it” and they deserve to have abusive court actions heaped upon them?

    Because if that is your position, I am gravely disappointed in you.

    I hope it’s not.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  94. “Alright, I get it, I should have remembered it. You helped out one of his victims. I apologize. Nothing wrong with stomping sidewinders.”

    nk – Also remember Kimberlin’s cohort Friedman’s abuse of Patterico and the attempts of both to discredit and smear Breitbart, which may or may not mean anything to you. There is a lot of backstory you are not taking into account. If you are in favor of thuggish tactics to support the suppression of speech, rolling over and playing dead for this cabal is certainly the recommended course of action.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  95. I think I was saying more “don’t go too near to the edge of the cliff”, Patterico. But Aaron reminded me that he was helping out Seth Allen, already a victim of Kimberlin’s. And I apologized.

    nk (875f57)

  96. Aaron — set up the defense fund as soon as you can. You know people want to donate.

    no one you know (325a59)

  97. i know, i know. but it is complicated. we have to do it right, or else you know who will file varioius complaints. well, he will anyway.

    Aaron "Worthing" (73a7ea)

  98. I think I was saying more “don’t go too near to the edge of the cliff”, Patterico. But Aaron reminded me that he was helping out Seth Allen, already a victim of Kimberlin’s. And I apologized.

    And if he hadn’t been helping Seth Allen, but instead had merely chosen to blog about Kimberlin’s false statements under oath in November 2011?

    Or to write about his partnership with Brad Friedman, despite his checkered past?

    Patterico (feda6b)

  99. New post on this here.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  100. “Or to write about his partnership with Brad Friedman, despite his checkered past?”

    Patterico – It’s sort of like contributing to Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, don’t do it if you are worried that the Obama attack machine will come after you as a private citizen as they have now done to many big contributors. Freedom of speech in action!

    Is this a great country or what!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  101. daley,

    Now that Obama’s attacks are so well known, is donating to a Republican like stepping on a sidewinder? Can GOP donors be said to have “started it”?

    Patterico (feda6b)

  102. And if he hadn’t been helping Seth Allen, but instead had merely chosen to blog about Kimberlin’s false statements under oath in November 2011?

    Or to write about his partnership with Brad Friedman, despite his checkered past?

    Comment by Patterico — 5/21/2012 @ 7:31 am

    Well, that’s either the guy who paused to tell me, “Hey man, you have to use the crosswalk” or me telling him, “F*** you”.

    You find trouble or it finds you. Can’t be helped.

    nk (875f57)

  103. Patterico – Absolutely, Republicans are well known rattlesnakes and racist hohophobes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  104. 92.

    ..but to Brett it was figuring out the angles. To him it was money and power from the git-go. Everybody dealt with Brett very carefully, because when he was on the street [this quotation is taken from Woody McDermott, a marijuana jobber or wholesaler who used to deliver 100 pounds of Kimberlin’s marijuana to a black neighborhood near downtown Indianapolis every Friday. This interview must have been done in 1992 when Brett Kimberlin was still in jail – therefore the words “when he was on the street”] he was a force. Everybody had this one face they showed Brett. He had a pilot’s license about the time most kids were learning to drive. While everybody else was doing dope, chasing girls, doing lines, and conducting business with a handshake, Brett was calculating.”

    Sammy Finkelman (8a20da)

  105. Sammy – thanks for completing the “robber baron” quote.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  106. Sammy – can you expand on the context of this snippet from Citizen K on Google books, too?

    Google lists it as page 2-16

    guy read a letter I’d written. He said ‘why are you writing to this young girl? You’re a grown man and you’re writing to a young girl in a setting where she’s trying to get help. Don’t you have anything better to do?’ He was just rying to lay a guilt trip on me. He told me not to write to her anymore. But that was against BOP regulations. I….

    SarahW (b0e533)

  107. Hounding a man for his past, when he paid the price society asked …

    That’s just not right.

    Comment by nk

    Sorry, but the time he spent in prison is not a fair price for all those bombs he set. Or the crimes he committed but wasn’t convicted of (some are awful). But even what penalties he was given he failed to pay in many cases.

    Read Citizen K, nk. This man is the reason society treats reformed cons poorly. He’s the extreme case.

    Dustin (330eed)

  108. Hey, Dustin.

    I had forgotten the history. I have already apologized to Aaron, when he reminded me.

    If Aaron wants to stomp this snake … no objection.

    nk (875f57)

  109. I cut NK some slack as I don’t think he’s feeling well and he’s probably not aware of why BK’s past relates to BKs present. His predations continue.

    Moreover He denies his culpability to this day for what he did and who he destroyed. He’s a psychopath with a lifetime of treating the human race as his personal monnkey dance troupe. The saps. Don’t you be one of them, NK.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  110. I feel fine SarahW, thank you. Thirty years as a defense lawyer have given me some reflexes, not necessarily conductive to every conversation.

    BTW, did you check out Buddy Guy? I linked a video somewhere above.

    nk (875f57)

  111. I’m sorry NK. I read too much into your #75.
    (Comment by nk — 5/21/2012 @ 3:55 am). I thought you seemed in low spirits.

    Yes I did check it out, very groovy.
    PS. my very nearest and dearest call me Sally.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  112. Kimberlin makes it easy to think ill of people convicted of crimes but fortunately there aren’t many like him. Society is also fortunate there are attorneys like nk who will stand up for people accused of crimes.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  113. I thought you seemed in low spirits.

    😉 It does bother me that I can no longer acquire the sight (gun, shooting term). But, then, there’s nothing I particularly want to shoot. 😉

    Heck, you should see the catfight Patterico and I hazded(sic) over the killing of Kathryn Johnston.

    nk (875f57)

  114. I had forgotten the history. I have already apologized to Aaron, when he reminded me.

    You did; I was just making conversation. I’m glad you joined the conversation. Your point about criminals paying their debt and moving on is one that should be brought up and discussed. This thread has been a great discussion.

    Dustin (330eed)

  115. Society is also fortunate there are attorneys like nk who will stand up for people accused of crimes.

    Comment by DRJ

    Very true. Mr Bours is a great example. This fiasco covers a lot of ground, and there’s plenty for those who want to emphasize the rights of the accused. I don’t think there’s much for those who want to look for a criminal’s reform or redemption, aside from a contrasting ‘bad example’.

    Dustin (330eed)

  116. “PS. my very nearest and dearest call me Sally.”

    SarahW – I get the feeling Noodles wants to be one of your very nearest and very dearest.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  117. Comment by SarahW — 5/21/2012 @ 9:22 am

    Sammy – can you expand on the context of this snippet from Citizen K on Google books, too?

    Google lists it as page 2-16

    It’s page 216. I read that also over the weekend.

    This was a 17 year old girl at Boys Town. In March 1987 Kimberlin had come across a U.S. News and World report article about Boys Town that revealed it was no co-educational.

    There were 80 girls there then, and there was a photograph of one of them, named Tiffany Perkins, who was a cheerleader, in the article. So he wrote her a letter and managed to successfully start corresponding with her.

    Strictly speaking, it wasn’t against the rules (of the prison, the same might not have been true of Boys Town!) for him to be writing to her.

    There wasn’t exactly something the BOP could do, it would seem, but he nevertheless stopped openly writing to her. He included it with all of his “legal correspondence” with his attorney-in-fact, James Turner. It still was caught at Boys Town. Again.

    He sued the executive director of Boys Town. He persuaded the girl to become a coplaintiff. He became her “next of friend” because she was a minor. He invoked the First, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

    There were dismissals, refilings, and appeals, but then she turned 18 and left Boys Town and he lost contact with her. Except that he knew she had moved back in with her mother in Florida.

    He considered hiring a private detective to track her down, but thought better of it. He didn’t even know what people had told her about him.

    Here is the whole paragraph that the quote is in:

    The Reverend [Val J.] Peter [the executive director of Boys Town] clearly thought that a pen-pal relationship with a federal convict would not prove a great advantage to Tiffany. “I guess they were reading people’s mail there–it was like the BOP,” Kimberlin said. He began calling Tiffany on the phone. Once, he sent her flowers. Perhaps that was the gesture that made him, as he put it, “the bête noire of Boys Town.” After Reverend Peter intercepted a letter and forwarded a copy to Oxford, [the manager of the “honor dorm” Kimberlin was in, Fred] Westfall called Kimberlin and chastised him. “It wasn’t like I’d written anything sexually perverse or anything,” Brett told me. “It was kind of embarassing having this guy read a letter I’d written. He said ‘why are you writing to this young girl? You’re a grown man and you’re writing to a young girl in a setting where she’s trying to get help. Don’t you have anything better to do?’ He was just trying to lay a guilt trip on me. He told me not to write to her anymore. But that was against BOP regulations. I knew I could write to anyone as long as long as they weren’t in prison. He told me to stop writing and of course I ignored him.”

    He claimed to Mark Singer:

    “I didn’t even know what those ass***** told her about me,” he said. “They were intercepting the mail. I just wanted to tell her that everything was OK and that I hadn’t abandoned her.”

    That last sounds like he’s blaming Boys Town. Apparently she had stopped corresponding, or trying to, even before she left.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  118. Comment by Prepostericity — 5/20/2012 @ 11:41 pm

    Their founder Tinoire is a self-proclaimed hard lefty, but she also admitted to having been in military intelligence. Uhm, lefties don’t tend to be in the military. She made a blunder admitting that on a Ronald Reagan forum. It was similar to Markos Moulitsas admitting he had come inches away from joining the CIA full-time for clandestine operations.

    Those claims about being in the military and almost joining the CIA could be lies, too, you know. Especially the latter.

    Originally Markos Moulitsas Zuniga may have claimed to have actually been in the CIA. His story in 2007 was that he had become interested in 2001, had trained for two years, and that he then had to make a choice between the CIA and the Howard Dean campaign, and the choice was easy for him since he would have spent his time in the CIA in Washington and he says he hates Washington.

    People say he claims to have been an immigrant from El Salvador but that he in fact was born in Chicago but his family owns a tourism resort and hotel conglomerate in El Salvador. His honeymoon was at the Jaltepeque Suites Hotel.

    Another part of the leftist indictment against him: They also sell salt.

    And he never reveals who his relatives are.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  119. At least she got away.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  120. He sued the executive director of Boys Town. He persuaded the girl to become a coplaintiff. He became her “next of friend” because she was a minor. He invoked the First, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

    How the HELL was he, an convict actively serving his sentence, and with a lawsuit of his own on the same underlying matter, permitted to act as next friend?

    SarahW (b0e533)

  121. Patterico,
    Could not Aaron file a civil suit for harassment and list Brad DeLong, the Tides Foundation, George Soros and the other leftist moneybags as co-defendents. Kimberlin is doing this under their funding umbrella, thsu can they not be held accountable. BTW, discovery process would be beautiful. Just asking….

    Budahmon (58f9bb)

  122. Budahmon,

    You asked Patterico, you can ignore me.

    This would be playing Kimberlin’s game. The most protected right is access to the courts. I would lose if I were to sue you for suing me. As for discovery, my last court reporter charged a $100.00/hr, travel time included, minimum three hours, $3.00 per page if written up. Discovery is not fun.

    nk (875f57)

  123. Hey guys, go to mccain’s site right now.

    He has had to go into hiding because of… something Kimberlin did. just read it.

    Aaron "Worthing" (73a7ea)

  124. Too late BK, you’re only proving what you are.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  125. Who knows what trick he used this time. If it’s a swat I want him behind bars.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  126. It never ends.

    Maryland is the last place anyone should ever want to go. The prosecutor has had enough freaking time by now to do something. He has the same video we have. He knows it’s authentic. Hell, Brett was asked by Mr Bours if this specific video corroborated his stories, and he said yet. There is no wiggle room, then. The things Brett swore happened did not happen.

    If ever a situation justified throwing the book at someone, this is it. It’s frustrating that there is a good solution available to authorities that is not being used. So innocent people have to run and hide. Maryland’s government owes Robert Stacy Mccain’s family an apology.

    Dustin (330eed)

  127. *yes (rather than yet)

    Dustin (330eed)

  128. Hey guys, go to mccain’s site right now.

    He has had to go into hiding because of… something Kimberlin did. just read it.

    Comment by Aaron “Worthing” — 5/21/2012 @ 5:08 pm

    Aw, come on.

    nk (875f57)

  129. Do we know he “had” to go into hiding or that Kimberlin “did” anything beyond what we’ve seen for months from his crew (nasty personal attacks and insinuations, invoking family members’ names, etc.)?

    I would rather not see anything be overdramatized, as there is enough real-life drama as it is. When I say that, I am not talking about what Stacy is doing, as I have no idea whether he is responding to a real threat or not. Rather, I am talking about any reading of his post based on assumptions. I have no problem with Stacy taking precautions, and if he feels it’s prudent to move his family, I can hardly quarrel with that decision. But let’s not assume any actual threat has occurred until we know it, okay?

    Patterico (feda6b)

  130. No, there is nothing i can say on why he did this. he felt threatened and indicated it was by something kimberlin did. what does that mean? beats me.

    but i will note that the twitter who is definitely NOT BRETT KIMBERLIN already did name drop his kids several days before all of this. so that didn’t prompt him leaving right away.

    i for one am glad it is pouring down rain where i live if you know what i am getting at.

    Aaron "Worthing" (73a7ea)

  131. Patterico’s got a point. We don’t know that Kimberlin threatened RSM in some way beyond the name dropping of his kids via Breitbart Unmasked (AKA “Not Brett Kimberlin”).

    Patterico and I have discussed things in private many times, and he often has to correct the way I’ve said something to make it more accurate. Even though I think my interpretation is good faith (And he seems to agree), he is wise to constrain interpretations to what’s actually said or known.

    What I do know is that RSM’s kids were name dropped by a psycho tweeter/blogger who defense a terrorist and attacks that terrorist’s innocent critics (And who is probably the terrorist himself). The effect of this is enough to consider precautions such as RSM is taking.

    We can all make RSM safer by proving how pointless it is for anyone to silence any Kimberlin critic. Make it to where there are too many to silence. Make it to where the MD law enforcement takes the great case they have against Kimberlin and prosecutes him.

    It’s important that people like Neal, Brett, and their cohorts have their day in court. It’s been a rocky path.

    Dustin (330eed)

  132. Patrick, this is quite enough for me:


    Law enforcement officials have been made aware that convicted terrorist Brett Kimberlin appears to be engaged in an attempt to intimidate me into being silent about his sordid criminal history
    .

    Even if it’s just repeated mention of his family members, his children, considering the track record of BK, who lives in Maryland, that mention by the “not Brett” troll is meant to alarm the target.

    And given what BK capable of and has done before…from nuisance to murderous design…I think I am free to imagine more as well as well as the minimum done in plain view.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  133. Either way, guys, this has gone ridiculous. If you need to leave your home, it’s not a blog post, it’s 911.

    nk (875f57)


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