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4/18/2012

Condoleeza Rice for Veep?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:02 pm



I don’t know. Her positions on a lot of issues are unknown to me. There is one thing I know I don’t like . . . I don’t like the suggestions that she voted for Obama.

But at least she never ate a dog.

P.S. Treacher says on Twitter:

This election isn’t about Obama eating dogs. The sooner we stop talking about Obama eating dogs, which is something that he did, the better.

I disagree. This election is about eating dogs. This election is most assuredly not about electing a President who won’t put us in the hole for $5 trillion in four years, or putting someone in the Oval Office who will preserve our tenuous hold on an occasional Supreme Court majority.

It is about eating dogs. And where dogs ride on family vacations. And I will not tolerate any distractions from those all-important themes.

I plan to illustrate this point often, by concluding a post by noting whether the subject of the post has eaten dogs. I don’t want to have to explain the importance of this every time, which is why I will explain it here, once, and simply link it in the future.

Romney 2012: it’s about eating dogs!

57 Responses to “Condoleeza Rice for Veep?”

  1. . . . that we know of.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  2. She’s already said she is not fond of politics… not her cup of tea.

    Colonel Haiku (1878e8)

  3. The first question that should be asked is if the VP selection is grooming a future presidential candidate.

    Dustin (330eed)

  4. Not gonna happen. Nice to play “what if” though. I’m sure she’ll fill a cabinet role in the Romney admin though.

    Chris (eafa5f)

  5. She previously indicated that she wants to be NFL Commissioner.

    But she does have manifest foreign policy strengths. If we honestly foresee an upcoming period of severe global military/political challenges — read North Korea, Iran, Russia, Venezuela — we could probably do worse.

    That being said, if we don’t reverse the spending spree, none of this will matter anyway.

    Steve (fe0872)

  6. Oon the Issues has a look at her various views… What particular conservative qualities does she bring to the table in any more depth or solidness than Rubio, Ryan, Palin, Sen. Portman, or Christie?

    Dana (4eca6e)

  7. Mustard, relish, and onions on my dog, please.

    aunursa (63ca70)

  8. Dana,

    That list doesn’t sound particularly conservative to me.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  9. No thanks

    JD (3fc54b)

  10. This is what Obama has to say about all this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTynx1hnfig

    Noodles (3681c4)

  11. Palin or Rubio not more conservative than Rice???

    Dana (4eca6e)

  12. Portman is weak on immigration but voted for Ryan’s plan, against tax increase, against more federal funding for healthcare, etc.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  13. I’ve decided that even if we lose this fall, the amount of fun I’ve had the past few weeks on Twitter makes it all worth it.

    Obama 2012: He hasn’t eaten a dog lately.

    Book (609d34)

  14. Perhaps “conservative” should be more clearly defined. IMO, Rice is moderate at best.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  15. Thanks for that link, Dana.

    The problem is what she’s not saying.

    A whole lot of focus on socially moderate views, but not a lot of focus on domestic spending aside from a very beltway GOP comment about ‘cut more spending than you increase taxes’ comment (when we need something concrete like … reach no deficit spending within X years).

    I would love to see Ms Rice back in the White House as an adviser or perhaps UN Ambassador (not as Secretary of State). I want the VP choice to be the hope of the Tea Party. I think that would be the smartest calculation Romney could make.

    Dustin (330eed)

  16. NOOOHHH!!! Yeah, that’s what we need, Obama running against Bush once aqain.

    Romney’s an idiot if he picks a VP based either on race or sex. Americans are not a stupid people. Pandering will hurt him, not help him.

    nk (875f57)

  17. I agree, nk. I believe if Romney chooses her, it will be because of gender/race or both. There are better possibilities. And ultimately, it will be easily seen through and weaken his campaign.

    The link provides basically sounds bites, but you can click the link for full quote and then go to source from there.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  18. nk has it right. Add to the fact that, while I like and respect Ms. Rice, I don’t think she did a stellar job as Secretary of State.

    Romney’s best pick would be Chris Christie. I’ve been saying for a while he’d be an excellent VP pick: he does a great job stating the fiscal conservative case, he’s got a good record to run on, and he’d have a good chance of tipping New Jersey into the Republican column.

    Chuck Bartowski (0072e5)

  19. There were a lot of great diplomatic initiatives accomplished during her tenure, but its not clear to me how much that represents her efforts.

    But as others said, I’d need to see more specific on fiscal conservatism from her.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  20. I remember when Mitch Daniels was still in it, he was asked who he might like as his vice presidential nominee. He named Condoleeza Rice.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  21. Comment by Chuck Bartowski — 4/18/2012 @ 7:49 pm

    A lot of PE-union members would vote to get Christie out of NJ.

    AD-RtR/OS! (a49b3f)

  22. I don’t think I’d hold Rice to the same standard regarding voting for Obama that I would hold someone who wasn’t black. To African-Americans the fact that a black President could be elected was far more important than his policies. A very long and difficult road and you shouldn’t quibble about who crosses the finish line.

    Now, the second time is a different matter entirely.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  23. OTOH, I don’t think she’d make a very good VP candidate, and it would have the air of “me, too.”

    If you must have ethnic, Jindal has the experience and the smarts and would make a wonderful contrast to Romney.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  24. @ Kevin M,

    To African-Americans the fact that a black President could be elected was far more important than his policies.

    Are you suggesting that if the situation had been so, and a black conservative was running, he/she would have captured the black vote against a white Democrat?

    Dana (4eca6e)

  25. it’s hard to figure why she’d want to be veep when she very clearly had no interest in being president

    but most of all Romney would see her big oil connections and tremble like a widdle puppy at the butchers

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  26. Dana–

    If say, Colin Powell had run in 2000 against Al Gore (which could have happened had Powell run)?

    Yes, I think so. I think that there would have been divisions, because of the connections between the black leadership and the Dems, but it would have been a tough position to hold urging blacks to forego the Promised Land. I would have expected a majority of blacks to vote for Powell, but maybe not the vote Obama got with far fewer contradictions.

    Remember, that in 1940, northern blacks voted Republican (and southern blacks couldn’t vote due to Democrat oppression). If you said then that by 1960, blacks would be voting Democrat and by 1970 monotonically so, you would have been hooted down. Yet it took a combination of northern Democrats willing to defy the South and two Republican Presidential candidates (Goldwater and Nixon) who pandered to Southern whites to undo a century of party loyalty.

    Things change if things change. Nothing did.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  27. If Condi hailed from Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan, or Pennsylvania, and previously had won a major election, then tapping her for Veep would make sense. Since that’s not the case, however, it would make no sense whatsoever.

    Condi would be a strong addition to a Romney cabinet; not to the ticket.

    Tsar Nicholas II (89a442)

  28. Keep her progressive ass out od d.c.

    sickofrinos (44de53)

  29. of.

    sickofrinos (44de53)

  30. What about Condi as Chief of Staff? She has served as Provost at Stanford, so she clearly is used to dealing with assorted popinjays and egomaniacs. As CoS she would probably have a lot of say in who gets appointed Secretary of State and UN Ambassador, and I think she would be great at herding all the cabinet heads and keeping everyone on task.

    Of course, first Romney has to win. . .

    JVW (4d72aa)

  31. She should be Goodell’s girl friday.

    sickofrinos (44de53)

  32. I would occasionally see Rob Portman grocery shopping when he was my Congressman, and it made me love him.
    Back in the day when Congress was trying to figure out how to deal with email spammers and all the porn email that would get sent out, I used to forward to his office the most egregious stuff I’d gotten. I even sent him the photos of a woman having sex with a doberman. Which is kind of embarrassing, but it fits with the theme of the day.

    MayBee (e3ac46)

  33. Forgetaboutit! I tried pushing Condoleeza Rice for Veep on McCain’s ticket 4 years ago, but Beldar argued me over to Sarah Palin’s side.

    He was right: Condoleeza Rice wasn’t the best choice for McCain then, and she isn’t the right choice for Romney now. Keep looking!

    ropelight (2f97ea)

  34. Yes a board member of Chevron, she had a supertanker named after her, that might be awkward,
    Goodell who does he blackmail to stay in that job.

    narciso (8d0f34)

  35. Just a little part of how the ‘template’ was formed;

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/18/Obama-war-working-women

    narciso (8d0f34)

  36. I’d like Condi for a particular reason. I could ask dems why they opposed a strong woman, a woman of color. An educated, accomplished woman of color. What were they afraid of?
    However, during her time at State, she may have attached herself to the Saudi tit.
    That’s a disqualifier, even the possibility.
    I ate a lion once. When I was a kid, a biggish restaurant used to serve various exotic items on New Years Eve. Whatever had just died at the zoo, I suppose. Didn’t like the lion burger steak. Too much garlic, iirc.

    Richard Aubrey (a75643)

  37. Condi won’t be Veep – she’s pro-choice and Mitt can’t afford that on the ticket.

    Darin H (279557)

  38. 24 Dana…..I don’t think having a black conservative does much to win black votes at all. The media was often very cruel in the way Rice was portrayed. You had a conservative black in Lynn Swann running against fast Eddie Rendell in the Pa. governor election and the liberal ex-mayor of Philly whupped Swann 87-13 percentage-wise in black votes.

    And it certainly didn’t help when Obama’s minions had Jack Ryan tossed as opponent when his divorce records were unsealed. Carpetbagger Alan Keyes from maryland is about as black and conservative as they come. Of course nothing wrong when carpetbagger Shrillary ran for US Senate in NY.

    Calypso Louis Farrakhan (d32e4c)

  39. Oh yes, Calypso, if you recall the late Neil Rogers, was absolutely vicious toward her, They went after Blackwell in Ohio, since they thought
    he denied Kerry the election, Now Richard, Hillary
    actually had the Alamoudis, those quarrelsome bros
    from the Hadramout as her campaign contributors.

    narciso (8d0f34)

  40. Prior to his gov campaign, I don’t think i’d heard of Swann since he retired from football, and lots of people of voting age had never seen him play, and Keyes had been in the public consciousness to some degree and not getting a lot of traction for a long time-

    I don’t know how conservative Mike Singletary is, but if he had been drafted to run against Obama for Senator that might have been a different story.

    I can’t say that I remember anything positive about Rice after she took over the State Dept. I would have been a backer during her stint as security advisor. Of course, I was at the mercy of what the media would have said, maybe she did a lot of good I never heard of.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  41. I think she went ‘native’ at Foggy Bottom, specially on the Palestinian issue, was a strong opponent of Gitmo, although in retrospect Rumsfeld
    wasn’t that stalwart. She was a supporter of the more aggressive counterinsurgency strategy.

    narciso (8d0f34)

  42. I thought it was Mike Ditka that was thinking about running against Obama.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  43. Lends a whole new meaning to the “Dog Eat Dog” rule.

    Bitterclinger (2121f8)

  44. To paraphase another commentator:

    Marc Rubio will deliver a huge number of votes in Florida – an extremely important swing state.
    Condeliza Rice will shift a small sliver of black votes to the GOP column, but not nearly enough for any state to switch to the GOP column.

    Enough said

    Joe_dallas (2d12c3)

  45. Comment by Kevin M — 4/18/2012 @ 9:12 pm

    Remember, that in 1940, northern blacks voted Republican (and southern blacks couldn’t vote due to Democrat oppression).

    Not in 1940. In 1932, although that was already a little less than in 1928. By 1936, they had more or less switched over to the Democratic Party.

    Oscar Stanton De Priest, the first African American elected to Congress from the north, the first elected after all African American members of Congress were gone from the south at the turn of the century, was first elected, from Chicago, in 1928, as a Republican. He lost his bid for re-election in 1934 to a Democrat.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Stanton_De_Priest

    This article does not describe what political party he was in by 1943 when he again became an alderman. He had been an alderman until he was indicted in 1917, but Clarence Darrow got him off. In 1919, he ran unsuccessfully for alderman as a member of the People’s Movement Club, which he had founded.

    http://artandhistory.house.gov/highlights.aspx?action=view&intID=23

    Representative Arthur Mitchell of Illinois wins the general election, defeating incumbent Oscar De Priest

    November 07, 1934

    On this date, Arthur Mitchell defeated Oscar De Priest in the general election for the First District of Illinois to become the first African-American Democrat elected to Congress. De Priest, the first Black American elected to Congress in the 20th century, faced a formidable challenge from Mitchell, a former Republican lieutenant in Chicago’s political machine who switched to the Democratic Party and became an ardent supporter of the New Deal. The contest between Mitchell and Oscar De Priest garnered national attention. Mitchell turned the contest against the venerable Republican Representative into a referendum on President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s public-relief policies, criticizing De Priest’s refusal to vote for emergency federal aid to the poor. Capitalizing on growing support for the New Deal, Mitchell orchestrated an aggressive campaign that forced De Priest to defend the Republican Party. Mitchell’s strategy paid off at the polls where he earned 53 percent to De Priest’s 47 percent. “I congratulate you as [the] first Negro Democratic congressman,” De Priest told his opponent after the election. The De Priest–Mitchell contest reflected a larger political trend occurring in Chicago and other northern cities: African Americans were changing their allegiance from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party because of dissatisfaction with the GOP response to the plight of Black Americans during the Depression. Shortly after taking his seat in the 74th Congress (1935–1937), Mitchell reiterated one of his campaign promises: “What I am interested in is to help this grand President of ours feed the hungry and clothe the naked and provide work for the idle of every race and creed.”

    If you said then that by 1960, blacks would be voting Democrat

    In 1960 there were still some holdouts, like Martin Luther King Jr’s father.

    Later on there were very few, but Condoleeza Rice’s family was among them.

    Sammy Finkelman (2972ba)

  46. Barone doesn’t get out to flyover country much:

    “Ryan wins big every year in Waukesha County west of Milwaukee. Portman ran well enough in suburbs to carry Ohio’s three biggest metro areas in 2010.”

    Although Ryan’s first district includes Democratic counties of Racine and Kenosha, only a small portion includes towns in Republican stronghold Waukesha.

    Sensenbrenner has owned Waukesha for decades.

    gary gulrud (1de2db)

  47. Over at redstate they’re saying we gotta fight this dog battle. Not sure I agree, it’s fun…. But does it matter?

    Alex (31c567)

  48. Condoleeza Rice has stated publically that she doesn’t do elections, she doesn’t run for offices. She gets hired to do jobs.

    luagha (72a2e7)

  49. I think Purina should sue Obama as he has completely destroyed the brand name Puppy Chow.

    Obama Puppy Chow; the healthy barf program.

    CJ (0e24f4)

  50. I wonder if we’ve found the dog that ate Obama’s transcripts.

    I saw Condoleeza Rice speak and then do a Q&A.
    Extraordinary poise, with thoughtful but assertive intelligence.
    She certainly has to be lightyears better than Joe Biden.
    But VP would be a waste.
    Give her a high paying job and tell her what to do and she’ll execute without any stray ideology creeping in.

    John Bolton for UN Ambassador

    SteveG (e27d71)

  51. I’m with Steve, Condi is too valuable to pass on for a GOP Admin, but not Sec. of State.

    Not that her politics would matter to Willard, another liberal, she’s just got more pizazz than he could dream of possessing.

    Sorry to say, we’re going to get a faceless aparatchik for State.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  52. I think he got the joke… its a dry humor sometimes. It grows on you

    SteveG (e27d71)

  53. DRJ-
    I think you might be right that Mike Ditka talked about it/was talked to about it, Singletary was my idea (at least I don’t recall hearing it from some one else).

    I saw him on TV a few times and was quite impressed. His name recognition would have been much better, having been a more recent player and perhaps even more praised as an individual player than Swann. Swann was the ultimate gymnast among wide-receivers, but he was on a team that was so loaded, even with other receivers that would have been a star on any other team, his relative fame was not as overwhelming, IMO.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

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