Eric Holder: Liar
So the President says it would be unprecedented (which it wouldn’t) for the Supreme Court to overturn a law passed by a strong majority of both houses of Congress (which ObamaCare wasn’t).
Then Eric Holder gives the Fifth Circuit a letter saying that, of course, there is a ton of precedent for federal courts overturning laws passed by majorities in Congress.
And Holder ends the letter by saying: “The President’s remarks were fully consistent with the principles described herein.”
And citizens are left screaming: no they weren’t!
But this is what liars do. They lie.
I think that Giuliani would make a great AG for Romney. His first task would be to jail Holder.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:52 amU;m not sure that Holder was lying. He may just be delusional.
Mike K (326cba) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:06 amwhat was unprecedented I think was slamming this unprecedentedly violent rape of American health care through the legislature using reconciliation
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:13 amLook at what they were doing with DOMA at the same time.
JD (58f1a2) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:15 amYou know, lately I’ve been thinking that Eric Holder should maybe grow a beard to help improve his appearance when he’s testifying– because his facial structure has what I think is commonly known as a “weak chin”.
elissa (cedaef) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:20 amI saw a link yesterday where they were wondering about the citations in the letter. I know nothing about the site or the subject of citations, but found the questions interesting.
Sue (6623c5) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:20 am“Who’s doing cite-checking at the DOJ?” and “Finding Solicitor General Briefs (for free)”
Apparently the citations in the letter are from briefs, not opinions. Is that “unprecedented”?
http://legalresearchplus.com/
Orin Kerr has been getting his panties all in a twist because he is embarrassed-
of
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wait for it….
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The 5th Circuit.
It’s them he finds to be embarrassing.
The Con Law prof as Prez screwing up all over the place-?
eh.
madawaskan (89a442) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:45 amyou racists just can’t stand having a brilliant black man in the White House…
redc1c4 (403dff) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:51 am==you racists just can’t stand having a brilliant black man in the White House==
Wouldn’t know about that, redc1c4. Haven’t had a brilliant black man in the White House to observe yet as far as I know.
elissa (cedaef) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:57 amWords mean precisely what we intend them to mean. Nothing more, nothing less.
gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:22 pmEric Holder is a liar who has a history of carrying water for liars. He lied to protect his boss in Bill Clinton’s Marc Rich cash for a Presidential pardon scandal. Holder lied about the New Black Panther voter intimidation scandal, and he lied and continues to lie about Fast and Furious, and he’s lying about Obama’s monumental SC blunder. (Is it possible Obama actually graduated from Harvard Law and is ignorant of one of the most fundamental concepts in US Constitutional Law?)
Eric Holder belongs behind bars, and Barack Obama belongs in a remedial education class.
ropelight (badcbe) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:22 pmYou wanna talk about the Court overturning highly popular legislative schemes as over-extensions of the Commerce Clause? Look at US v. Morrison. It’d be hard to find an issue with more bipartisan support than “curb violence against women”; didn’t stop the Court from overturning the legislation as improper.
Leviticus (870be5) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:27 pm5. And prohibit, by imperial fiat, the capture of his visage in profile.
What is that in the middle of his face, a neoplasm, a tuber?
gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:29 pmWe have had several brilliant black individuals in the White House, from the wisdom of Bill Cosby, Condi Rice, some would say Colin Powell, George Washington Carver, Clarence Thomas to name just a few.
joe (2d12c3) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:52 pmI don’t know why everyone is pounding on Obama about his failed economic policies, and their inherent effects upon women.
After all, this president if going to help more women become members at Augusta National, than any other president in history.
Eisenhower may be the president who enjoyed golf the most, but what exactly did HE do for women’s golf in America ?
Elephant Stone (0ae97d) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:05 pmWe have gone “Through the Looking Glass”, where words only mean what one wishes them to mean at the time one uses them.
This is what happens when a Republic devolves into a Democracy.
Guns, Ammo, Canned-goods – the currency for tomorrow!
AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:09 pmHolder shouldn’t be allowed on camera. For his own sake. He sounds like a liar, but when I see him, I know he is a liar. Jay Carney is another similar type. They cannot answer truthfully so they resort to nuanced lies and every pause contains a tell.
SteveG (e27d71) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:21 pmGranted they both have tough jobs covering for the world’s smartest lecturer
his facial structure has what I think is commonly known as a “weak chin”.
Comment by elissa — 4/6/2012 @ 11:20 am
— Weak chin, weak argument . . . weak brain
Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:22 pmI realize this is about Holder. Liar.
But check this out… Obama is a Lecturer (god, no kidding)
But Carney goes all in for the President here:
SteveG (e27d71) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:25 pmhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/05/carney_obama_not_understood_because_he_spoke_in_shorthand_since_he_is_a_law_professor.html
Haven’t had a brilliant black man in the White House to observe yet as far as I know.
Comment by elissa — 4/6/2012 @ 11:57 am
— Miles Davis visited the White House.
Take a listen to “Kind of Blue” or “Sketches of Spain” if you’re unsure of that man’s brilliance.
Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:30 pmIs it possible Obama actually graduated from Harvard Law and is ignorant of one of the most fundamental concepts in US Constitutional Law?
— No, it’s not even a little bit possible. What he’s doing is he’s assuming that the general public is so ignorant they will unquestioningly swallow whatever manure he’s shovelling.
Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:39 pmLook, if you don’t speak law prof shorthand, then arble garble marble barble!
Dustin (330eed) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:48 pmNow that’s funny! ^^^
Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:56 pm@ 22 lol
It made me forget what I was going to even type on this thread!
Noodles (3681c4) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:27 pmI believe 5 of the Supreme Court Justices understood Obama’s “shorthand”.
Obama has never been a Professor, and neither Obama nor his ugly wife possess a LAW LICENSE.
Gus (36e9a7) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:28 pm#7 Orin is a lot more impressed with his intellect than I am. Any idiot could see that Obamacare not only was not constitutional but could not possibly be constitutional (what part of enumerated powers don’t you understand, Orin?), yet he spent the better part of the last two years patting himself on the back lauding his supposed sophistication in predicting the demise of the challenge to Obamacare and denigrating commenters who begged to differ. It turns out a lot of these geniuses really aren’t all that bright.
Buck Bradley (3379b8) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:28 pmObama has never been a Professor, and neither Obama nor his ugly wife possess a LAW LICENSE.
— Well, not in this country, anyway.
Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:34 pmHe wants women allowed on to August National so that the club will install the ladies tee he needs to play from…
Gazzer (1bd7de) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:37 pmGazzer–I don’t think they allow mom jeans at Augusta like he wears for bike riding and wears to sporting events like baseball games, though
elissa (cedaef) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:45 pmbarry and eric
Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:47 pmishkabibble and ishkabob
just two lumps of coal
Take a listen to “Kind of Blue” or “Sketches of Spain” if you’re unsure of that man’s brilliance.
Comment by Icy
One of the biggest racist a-holes of the music scene (along with Max Roach) but a brilliant musician, yes.
Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:48 pm16. “This is what happens when a Republic devolves into a Democracy.”
Astute point. Athenian democracy, devolving to property owners, survived but 50 years.
Past time for a 2nd constitutional convention. We just have to drastically reduce the prospective participants’ number.
gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:52 pmAggle flaggle glabble knuffle bunny
JD (34d969) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:58 pmMy opinion hasn’t changed much in 3 and some odd years:
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/6/2012 @ 3:00 pmSarahW–there’s no denying it. Across both time and space when you’re right, you’re right. Be proud.
elissa (cedaef) — 4/6/2012 @ 3:09 pm#7 Orin is a lot more impressed with his intellect than I am. Any idiot could see that Obamacare not only was not constitutional but could not possibly be constitutional (what part of enumerated powers don’t you understand, Orin?), yet he spent the better part of the last two years patting himself on the back lauding his supposed sophistication in predicting the demise of the challenge to Obamacare and denigrating commenters who begged to differ. It turns out a lot of these geniuses really aren’t all that bright.
Comment by Buck Bradley — 4/6/2012 @ 2:28 pm
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My opinion hasn’t changed much in 3 and some odd years:
SarahW says October 27, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I have views on Orin Kerr.
He is a boat-misser. A bad thinker.
A law misreader.
He sails off into a ditch and calls it the road.
Comment by SarahW — 4/6/2012 @ 3:00 pm
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Thank gawd –I’ve only read two of his posts-both on the 5th circuit action. He seems to think that is the end of the world.
I think I will take the implied advice-that I should cease and desist from reading Kerr.
madawaskan (89a442) — 4/6/2012 @ 3:35 pmBut they’re democrats. No one is supposed to notice!
HWGood (ae7ee1) — 4/6/2012 @ 3:39 pmweak chin… thought… suck
Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:02 pmhe feels your innuendo
still he’s much too slow
money for nothing
Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:06 pmand get yer Solicitor
Gen’ral Briefs for free!
i doan wahn any mtv
Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:06 pmI said goddam… GODDAMN! the Holder man
Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:08 pmya know he defended a lot of terrorists
Colonel Hoyt (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:20 pmOh Lord! he talked a lot of swill
but he never fought for nuthin’
that the Supreme Court couldn’t kill
and now I seen a lot of seniors walkin’ ’round
with tombstones in their eyes
but the Holderman don’t care
if they live or if they die
God Damn! The Holder
God Damn! The Holder
I said Goddamn… Goddamn the Holderman!
Both the Obamas have law licenses. They are on inactive status for obvious reasons. Same thing with every judge, including the Supreme Court.
nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:25 pmNK I believe that Moochelle was “invited” to give up her law license by the Illinois Bar governors.
I don’t know about The Bamster, but I’ll accept your representation on that one–but not on Moochelle.
Mike Myers (dc4fc0) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:00 pmThere is no record of any disciplinary proceedings against her, and there would be. Her status is “voluntarily inactive” which is without prejudice. Barack is “voluntarily retired” which is basically the same thing, he never was much shucks as a lawyer, anyway, and there is no record of discipline against him, either.
My source: Illinois ARDC, Lawyer Search.
nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:06 pmBoth can become active by paying the registration fee and complying with CLE.
nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:08 pmThe registration fee is peanuts, $289.00, but CLE is a pain where you sit. I might go inactive for a time just to avoid it until next year.
Patterico, can we get this site certified with Illinois as a CLE provider?
nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:15 pm$289 is a lot of cupcakes Mr. nk
it’s all about making good choices
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:27 pmAfter Mr. Obama “voluntarily retired” his law license he might have let some of his learnings get a little rusty I think. That old use it or lose it thing is true. Maybe that’s why he says silly things and seemed so confused about what the supreme court does. It’s too bad, because he really put his nice employee Mr. Carney in a terrible predicament.
elissa (372005) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:40 pmexempli gratia
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:40 pmMore evidence on sociopathy:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/06/law-school-refuses-to-hire-professor-who-embraces-politics-the-rest-of-the-faculty-despises/
And on the subject of weak chins, Murky has said defect combined with an overbite deformity, not to mention hyperthyroidism contributed by the soft tissues.
More evidence libs are homely.
gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:52 pmI thought lifeydoodles had their own special schools already
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:57 pmObama gives demagoguery a bad name.
AZ Bob (1c9631) — 4/6/2012 @ 8:04 pmHey, I’m homely and I’m not a lib! Or did you mean “limp”?
nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 8:22 pmdeTocqueville wrote, back in the days when we had Indians, that group-think was the supreme American law and I believe him, happyfeet. Conform to noncorfomism. It’s just that we’re big enough now to have two groups.
nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 8:51 pmi was thinking more in context of if I were to be contemplating going into 6 figures of debt for a legal education, how eager might I be for to have free-thinking out-of-mainstream teachers?
I really have no idea since I already once stared intently into that abyss and blanched.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:04 pmI am tending to agree with Rush: That Obama knows exactly what he is doing and is appealing to his very low IQ base.
AZ Bob (1c9631) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:15 pmyou know who has failed utterly to conform? one Mr. J. Derbyshire is who
and what has he done he’s ruint Easter
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:17 pmYes, that was stupid and obscene thing to say, even considering who he was writing for.
narciso (a66fe7) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:27 pmI worked my way through law school. College and high school, too. When I left law school I had no debt, and money in the bank. I bought a Renault Fuego. Cutest car ever made. Junked it after 38,000 miles and bought a Cutlass Supreme Classic. Still have it. My brother got his MBA while working overtime. A school is like a bell. It’s up to you how you ring it.
nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:56 pmI can’t even leave Target without having any debt
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:56 pmI scissored my credit cards in 1996. Got a debit card in January, 2011. Use it mostly at ATMs, hardly shop with it. Pay as you go. Write me in as President. You won’t be sorry.
nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:06 pmthis here is one of but two nuclear plants in California look at how beautiful it is
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:10 pmI have to use cards for so I keep my credit score hot sexy and desirable
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:11 pmYeah, I basically have no credit score, because I have no debt reported. Unless I let my medical bills go to collection. Heard that people who pay their cedit cards in full every month are called “deadbeats” by the credit card company.
nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:18 pmyou have to pay in full every month now… credit cards have gotten very ghetto with their rates – especially if you get any kind of points
it used to not be this way, even when the prime was like 5 times what it is today
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:25 pmOne of the biggest racist a-holes of the music scene (along with Max Roach) but a brilliant musician, yes.
Comment by Colonel Haiku — 4/6/2012 @ 2:48 pm
— No defense of Miles Davis as a man; but as a musician . . . hoo doggie!
Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:32 pmThomas Kinkade is dead no one tells me anything
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 12:11 ampaint the light Jared
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 12:12 amMiles version of Cannonball Adderley’s “Something Else” is a favorite of mine.
sickofrinos (44de53) — 4/7/2012 @ 12:57 am16- Water and seeds are a must.
sickofrinos (44de53) — 4/7/2012 @ 1:03 ami make passes
pdbuttons (f5fa38) — 4/7/2012 @ 1:23 amat girls who wear Miles Davis sunglasses
It appears to me that Holder is perhaps one of a few people who are more arrogant and condescending than Obama.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:21 am“Look at the door. It says ‘Attorney General’, and it has my name on it. Who cares what any ‘attorney-not-the-general’ or judge says. I am the law of the land. Got that? The Monarchy of England no longer is really in charge of their country, but we are in charge of ours.” (Imagined “quote”.)
Can a judge charge the AG with contempt of court?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:22 amEver hear Miles Davis do Surrey with the Fringe on Top?
ropelight (366f66) — 4/7/2012 @ 5:21 am______________________________________________
And Holder ends the letter by saying: “The President’s remarks were fully consistent with the principles described herein.”
And when Obama’s pal, Van Jones, said a few days ago that his former boss could declare he was an out-and-out homosexual and a large majority of black America — among others — still would vote for him, I think that illustrates the huge capacity of various people to delude themselves or, quite simply, to be outright fools, no matter what.
Such people, including Eric Holder, can be dishonest and disingenuous — with themselves and others — until they’re blue in the face, and it won’t phase them one bit. That’s because, in their eyes, liberal sentiment and liberal policymaking are so full of compassion, humaneness and wonderfulness, that the ends justify the means.
There are plenty of folks in the US who are no different from much of the populace in a country like this…
Mark (31bbb6) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:07 am
Van Jones, is not really that bright, why sign that 9/11 denialist petition, or make as many mistakes that caused the White House to fire him, but the US hopefully is not as to Argentina, where an economic
narciso (132802) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:17 amcrisis, has allowed those grifters, the Kirchners
who did pal around with the Montoneros, in their
youth, the lay of the land,
Happy Feet, you should get a girlfriend—that way you’ll have something to occupy your time on Friday night, other than clicking on “submit comment” every time a new “thought” enters your mind.
And if you can’t get a girlfriend, consider getting a job at Target. That way, you can get the employee discount so you won’t go further into debt.
Band Aid (0ae97d) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:46 amContempt of court is a pretty limited thing. Its abuse is an exception to judicial immunity in Illinois. Judges have gone to jail for it.
There are four kinds, direct and indirect times criminal or civil. But boiled down it’s thumbing your nose at the judicial process in a very egregious matter.
I’ve come close to it more than once. I ain’t afraid of no judge. But the closer I came to it was a warning from the best judge in the civil division that if I did it again I would owe his clerk a $100.00. He knew I respected him, just giving me a little pinch on the arm.
nk (52d02a) — 4/7/2012 @ 7:05 amThanks for the response, nk.
I imagine it is largely a case of “political will”, something that is done which is contemptuous (at least in the general usage of the word, not a technical lawyer usage) which I consider Holder’s response to be, but then the judge needs to decide if he/she wants to press the issue, and whether others will back him/her up, or turn on the judge, as you suggest, and say the judge overreacted and abused their power in a way that is intimidating.
So, if Holder is simply being a jerk, and everyone knows it, it will slide. But if it was somebody that “they” wanted an excuse to hassle, it would be, “Such behavior is unacceptable in an AG, they should be held to a higher standard, not allowed to get away with stuff”.
Such is the state of affairs.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 8:28 am“I bought a Renault Fuego. Cutest car ever made.”
until…
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=fiat%20500&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CG4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fiat.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fpbrand.dll%2FFIAT_COM%2Fshowroom%2Fshowroom.jsp%3FmodelKey%3D150&ei=zWSAT4mXO-rOiALLy6CZAw&usg=AFQjCNG_eUOnIKbtaiu2ScLwkrmDqzGY0Q&cad=rja
Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:02 amThat’s just not very so very nice whatsoever. You know Mr. feet’s antipathy for females is strong, right?
Squealing Like a Pig (8534e7) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:03 amCheezit, why did T. Kincaide shuffle off at just 54?
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:06 amJ&J will not be ignored!
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:07 amnk… it is arguable that the Renault
Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:09 amTwatTwingo was cuter than the Fuego, which you were lucky to unload before it ended up “En Fuego” as so many of them did.They have one o’ those fiats out at the Stony Point fashion center piazza. It just needs a little pancake on its head.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:12 am– No defense of Miles Davis as a man; but as a musician . . . hoo doggie!
Comment by Icy
he sure had an ability to recognize and cultivate talent… John McLaughlin… Tony Williams… Herbie Hancock… Joe Zawinul… Chick Corea… Billy Cobham!
Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:20 amThey have one o’ those fiats out at the Stony Point fashion center piazza. It just needs a little pancake on its head.
Comment by SarahW
A Fiat 500 Abarth will soon be gracing my driveway.
Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:21 amCol Haiku – have you picked a color? I like the pastel green one.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:06 amThe hot Abarth version only comes in black, red or white… I’ll find (and post) the one that I’m going for… here!
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/05/2012-fiat-500-abarth-first-drive-review-video/
Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:10 amfor those of you who love an outstanding exhaust note, scroll down to the short vid at the autoblog link and have a listen… awesome!
Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:13 ambuttons!
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:26 ami’d get a fiat someday maybe if I’m still in a no commute having place – the government motors answer to the fiat space is effing ghastly it looks like someone was playing with a tanagram puzzle
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:32 amgirlfriends are very helpful with debt they’re practically certified financial counselors
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:34 amThe Arbath looks zippy.
Ick happyfeet, I don’t think I like insectoid cars.
SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:37 amoh sorry here is a picture of the ghastly insectoid car I accidentally linked a different article
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:39 amWhen I think of driving the Fiat on the So Cal freeways an average of about 150 miles per day, I just cringe. 4 lanes of idiots driving SUV’s while eating, drinking coffee, doing their makeup and talking on the phone while playing pole position steering with their knees just won’t end well.
Maybe if I lived and worked where I could stay on surface streets with the lower speed limits…..
Jay H Curtis (804124) — 4/7/2012 @ 11:02 amIt is a cute car. But so was the Isetta.
Jay H Curtis (804124) — 4/7/2012 @ 11:04 amso is this one, jay Curtis and yours truly has split his commute to the office on the busy highways of the greater Sacramento area between one of these and his 350Z for going on 5 years now…
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Fiat_X1-9.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/vehicles/road/cars/fiat_x19.html&h=227&w=312&sz=47&tbnid=5EuCrMVh6rZIMM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfiat%2Bx19%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=fiat+x19&docid=8KLLgMSQOvvESM&sa=X&ei=dp-AT_q2DuiLiALio72oAw&ved=0CEsQ9QEwAw&dur=2377
Colonel Haiku (823f18) — 4/7/2012 @ 1:14 pmBut you do have to be careful, anticipate boneheaded moves by others and use the exquisite handling and maneuverability afforded by these cars.
Colonel Haiku (823f18) — 4/7/2012 @ 1:17 pmI had forgotten Fiats even existed, it has been so long since I have seen or heard mention of one.
Is the Euro now so bad against the dollar that it is a bargain to buy one?
Or is this sarcasm and I’m falling for it like a Patterico April Fools joke?
The Fiats and Renaults I remember from years ago gave me the idea that one could probably put your foot through the floor pressing on the brake too hard and would cause a very nasty set of stubbed toes.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:15 pmFiat bought Chrysler Mr. MD so Fiats are like a bonus now plus J Lo pretends to drive one which makes them pretty darn special if you think about it
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:38 pmI have a ’76 Fiat with 138K miles that is in fine running condition in my garage, along with a souped up ’81 that has a little over 196K in my driveway. I don’t see a lot of that vintage cars of any marque outside of the scrapyard. Just have to take care of them. The older ones were definitely not built for the colder climes and salted roads.
Colonel Haiku (997307) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:43 pmCan a judge charge the AG with contempt of court?
— He should be charged with being contemptuous of all 300 million of his fellow citizens.
Icy (885201) — 4/7/2012 @ 3:15 pmgirlfriends are very helpful with debt they’re practically certified financial counselors
— Praise Jebus!
Icy (885201) — 4/7/2012 @ 3:17 pmDirect criminal contempt: Punch the opposing attorney in front of the judge. Six months, $500.00 penalty, maximum, unless the case is referred to a prosecutor and the defendant is given the right to a jury trial.
nk (52d02a) — 4/7/2012 @ 4:01 pmIndirect criminal contempt: Punch the opposing attorney in the hallway. Same penalty.
Direct civil contempt: The judge asks you a question and you refuse to answer. Indefinite imprisonment and/or daily fine until you comply but if it is obvious that you will never comply, it is pointless and they must let you go.
Indirect civil contempt: There is a valid court order to clear away your twenty non-running cars from your front yard. You don’t. The order is converted into a judgment, the city brings a tow truck, you pay all costs plus a daily fine. (Usually, these things are settled for a few pennies to the city, relatively speaking, I settled a demolition order for a six-flat for $2,500.00).
Serious interchange-
So the judge would have to declare Holder’s dishonest answer as not counting as an answer for direct civil contempt.
Not so serious, Combining Icy and nk-
Maybe a certain official who shall be unnamed (to protect me) should be punched by a judge on live TV for direct non-civil contemptuousness so 300 million Americans can rest that their grievance has been addressed.
The older ones were definitely not built for the colder climes and salted roads.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:00 pmMy opinion was formed while living in Wisconsin. I don’t know about salt, I was always concerned what would happen to the little box losing control on ice and going “bump” into something bigger, like a snowman.
Be honest. Wouldn’t you rather be driving a Porsche Boxter? And the new generation ones are lighter and more fuel efficient and all.
elissa (65d3dc) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:08 pmI am looking for a new car. It is a tough decision.
JD (cffda0) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:17 pmLawyers say stupid things to judges all the time.
nk (52d02a) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:40 pmI think I’m going to make a peanut butter & jelly sandwich. And then I’m going to start a fiat against my local city council. Or maybe I’ll just buy a Fiat, instead.
I don’t know—it’s all just a stream of consciousness.
As Kenny Rogers once sang, “We’re all just islands in the stream.”
I think Hemingway wrote that sentiment, once, too. Of course, he had another sentiment one day, in Ketchum, Idaho.
It was the last sentiment he ever had !
Oh, my random thoughts…they never end ! I’m so happy that I have feet !
Band Aid (0ae97d) — 4/7/2012 @ 8:41 pmYears later, his granddaughter had the same sentiment.
Icy (885201) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:51 pmThe current administration has attempted to rule by Executive Fiat; but, fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective) Teh One and his AG are still stuck inside the clown car.
Icy (885201) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:04 pmWelch’s Grape Jelly in particular has a special recovery process to trap the flavor and return it to the jelly
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:34 pm100. My bud had a yellow X1/9 circa 1980, practically invisible to truckers along side as his dad and mom found to their chagrin.
Fabulous handler, did seem a tad underpowered. Following him once thru a tight curve I put my rice beater in a four wheel drift into the curb and a couple week stint in the shop.
gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/7/2012 @ 11:09 pmDad test-drove an X1/9 in 1978. I was 13; had to ride shotgun.
Icy (885201) — 4/8/2012 @ 3:49 amDad didn’t buy. He had a growing boy eating him out of house and home.
my ’81
http://classicmotorsports.net/media/img/readerrides/IMG_0753_X19.jpg
Colonel Haiku (d0f994) — 4/8/2012 @ 9:44 amI believe the phrase is “oh no he di’n’t!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS4X5_-OAE8
JD, if you’re in the city on a nice day, hit me up and I’ll take you for a spin in the mid-life-crisis-mobile. As Nick Nolte said in 48 Hours, I’m a ragtop man.
carlitos (49ef9f) — 4/8/2012 @ 7:07 pmCarlitos – will do. It is a date. 😉
Random hearts you
JD (318f81) — 4/8/2012 @ 7:32 pmStar Trek TNG ref, for you geeks:
“Eric Holder, his pants aflame!”
[Please keep a consistent name, except if it’s a sockpuppet thread. Thanks. –Stashiu]
Curly (8096f2) — 4/9/2012 @ 12:20 pmComment by happyfeet — 4/6/2012 @ 11:13 am
what was unprecedented I think was slamming this unprecedentedly violent rape of American health care through the legislature using reconciliation
No, they didn’t do that. They used reconciliation later to fix some of the problems with the bill, I thin. And of course, Santorum wants to use reconciliation (the one kind of bill not subject to a filibuster) to repeal it.
What they did is pass a bill in the Senate with a filibuster proof 60 votes for it. When they lost the filibuster-proof majority, they passed the Senate bill in the House of Representatives word for word, and so avoided the need for a conference committee to come up with a new version of the bill which would again have to pass both houses. That was what was unprecedented with a major bill, unless this happened during Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s 100 days.
But at that time you didn’t need more than a majority in the Senate. A filibuster was a rarely used phenomena. The Senators actually had to talk on the floor, all day and all night. And I think they also maybe had the thought that if this was done too often they could lose the filibuster rule, and there were Senators who wanted to keep that in reserve as a last resort for use against bills they really really were opposed to – mainly against civil rights legislation, which in those days was mostly the prospect of an anti-lynching bill. But you know, theoretically there could have been a bill to enforce the right to vote.
So they deliberately limited its application (and also made sure no cloture vote actually passed)
Getting rid of the filibuster was a real possibility. Originally there had been no way to break a filibuster, but in 1917 a cloture rule was adopted that would end a filibuster with a 2/3 vote(64 out of 96 Senators)
That became 67 out of a hundred when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted to the union. Then at some point in he 1970s I think [1975] the 2/3 was reduced to 60. This is exactly 60 (3/5 of the number of Senators – it would be 59 of 98 if there were two vacancies at the time) When it was 2/3, it was 2/3 of those present and voting. But if the issue is changing the Senate rules, then it would be 3/5 of those present and voting.
But then later they hit upon the device of the easy filibuster. Now nobody has to actually filibuster. They just have to declare their intention. Anyway since the 1950s, the Senate operates pretty much by unanimous consent for most things. Any Senator can block anything.
Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c) — 4/9/2012 @ 10:38 pmI think during the 100 days, they passed bills that were entirely written by the White House.
Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c) — 4/9/2012 @ 10:41 pm61. Comment by nk — 4/6/2012 @ 9:56 pm
I worked my way through law school. College and high school, too. When I left law school I had no debt, and money in the bank.
Yes, but what year was this?
It is still possible, maybe, if you go to a public university.
Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c) — 4/9/2012 @ 10:46 pm