Eric Holder: Liar
So the President says it would be unprecedented (which it wouldn’t) for the Supreme Court to overturn a law passed by a strong majority of both houses of Congress (which ObamaCare wasn’t).
Then Eric Holder gives the Fifth Circuit a letter saying that, of course, there is a ton of precedent for federal courts overturning laws passed by majorities in Congress.
And Holder ends the letter by saying: “The President’s remarks were fully consistent with the principles described herein.”
And citizens are left screaming: no they weren’t!
But this is what liars do. They lie.
I think that Giuliani would make a great AG for Romney. His first task would be to jail Holder.
Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:52 am
U;m not sure that Holder was lying. He may just be delusional.
Comment by Mike K (326cba) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:06 am
what was unprecedented I think was slamming this unprecedentedly violent rape of American health care through the legislature using reconciliation
Comment by happyfeet (a55ba0) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:13 am
Look at what they were doing with DOMA at the same time.
Comment by JD (58f1a2) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:15 am
You know, lately I’ve been thinking that Eric Holder should maybe grow a beard to help improve his appearance when he’s testifying– because his facial structure has what I think is commonly known as a “weak chin”.
Comment by elissa (cedaef) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:20 am
I saw a link yesterday where they were wondering about the citations in the letter. I know nothing about the site or the subject of citations, but found the questions interesting.
“Who’s doing cite-checking at the DOJ?” and “Finding Solicitor General Briefs (for free)”
Apparently the citations in the letter are from briefs, not opinions. Is that “unprecedented”?
http://legalresearchplus.com/
Comment by Sue (6623c5) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:20 am
Orin Kerr has been getting his panties all in a twist because he is embarrassed-
of
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wait for it….
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The 5th Circuit.
It’s them he finds to be embarrassing.
The Con Law prof as Prez screwing up all over the place-?
eh.
Comment by madawaskan (89a442) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:45 am
you racists just can’t stand having a brilliant black man in the White House…
Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:51 am
==you racists just can’t stand having a brilliant black man in the White House==
Wouldn’t know about that, redc1c4. Haven’t had a brilliant black man in the White House to observe yet as far as I know.
Comment by elissa (cedaef) — 4/6/2012 @ 11:57 am
Words mean precisely what we intend them to mean. Nothing more, nothing less.
Comment by gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:22 pm
Eric Holder is a liar who has a history of carrying water for liars. He lied to protect his boss in Bill Clinton’s Marc Rich cash for a Presidential pardon scandal. Holder lied about the New Black Panther voter intimidation scandal, and he lied and continues to lie about Fast and Furious, and he’s lying about Obama’s monumental SC blunder. (Is it possible Obama actually graduated from Harvard Law and is ignorant of one of the most fundamental concepts in US Constitutional Law?)
Eric Holder belongs behind bars, and Barack Obama belongs in a remedial education class.
Comment by ropelight (badcbe) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:22 pm
You wanna talk about the Court overturning highly popular legislative schemes as over-extensions of the Commerce Clause? Look at US v. Morrison. It’d be hard to find an issue with more bipartisan support than “curb violence against women”; didn’t stop the Court from overturning the legislation as improper.
Comment by Leviticus (870be5) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:27 pm
5. And prohibit, by imperial fiat, the capture of his visage in profile.
What is that in the middle of his face, a neoplasm, a tuber?
Comment by gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:29 pm
We have had several brilliant black individuals in the White House, from the wisdom of Bill Cosby, Condi Rice, some would say Colin Powell, George Washington Carver, Clarence Thomas to name just a few.
Comment by joe (2d12c3) — 4/6/2012 @ 12:52 pm
I don’t know why everyone is pounding on Obama about his failed economic policies, and their inherent effects upon women.
After all, this president if going to help more women become members at Augusta National, than any other president in history.
Eisenhower may be the president who enjoyed golf the most, but what exactly did HE do for women’s golf in America ?
Comment by Elephant Stone (0ae97d) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:05 pm
We have gone “Through the Looking Glass”, where words only mean what one wishes them to mean at the time one uses them.
This is what happens when a Republic devolves into a Democracy.
Guns, Ammo, Canned-goods – the currency for tomorrow!
Comment by AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:09 pm
Holder shouldn’t be allowed on camera. For his own sake. He sounds like a liar, but when I see him, I know he is a liar. Jay Carney is another similar type. They cannot answer truthfully so they resort to nuanced lies and every pause contains a tell.
Granted they both have tough jobs covering for the world’s smartest lecturer
Comment by SteveG (e27d71) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:21 pm
his facial structure has what I think is commonly known as a “weak chin”.
Comment by elissa — 4/6/2012 @ 11:20 am
– Weak chin, weak argument . . . weak brain
Comment by Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:22 pm
I realize this is about Holder. Liar.
But check this out… Obama is a Lecturer (god, no kidding)
But Carney goes all in for the President here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/05/carney_obama_not_understood_because_he_spoke_in_shorthand_since_he_is_a_law_professor.html
Comment by SteveG (e27d71) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:25 pm
Haven’t had a brilliant black man in the White House to observe yet as far as I know.
Comment by elissa — 4/6/2012 @ 11:57 am
– Miles Davis visited the White House.
Take a listen to “Kind of Blue” or “Sketches of Spain” if you’re unsure of that man’s brilliance.
Comment by Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:30 pm
Is it possible Obama actually graduated from Harvard Law and is ignorant of one of the most fundamental concepts in US Constitutional Law?
– No, it’s not even a little bit possible. What he’s doing is he’s assuming that the general public is so ignorant they will unquestioningly swallow whatever manure he’s shovelling.
Comment by Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:39 pm
Look, if you don’t speak law prof shorthand, then arble garble marble barble!
Comment by Dustin (330eed) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:48 pm
Now that’s funny! ^^^
Comment by Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 1:56 pm
@ 22 lol
It made me forget what I was going to even type on this thread!
Comment by Noodles (3681c4) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:27 pm
I believe 5 of the Supreme Court Justices understood Obama’s “shorthand”.
Obama has never been a Professor, and neither Obama nor his ugly wife possess a LAW LICENSE.
Comment by Gus (36e9a7) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:28 pm
#7 Orin is a lot more impressed with his intellect than I am. Any idiot could see that Obamacare not only was not constitutional but could not possibly be constitutional (what part of enumerated powers don’t you understand, Orin?), yet he spent the better part of the last two years patting himself on the back lauding his supposed sophistication in predicting the demise of the challenge to Obamacare and denigrating commenters who begged to differ. It turns out a lot of these geniuses really aren’t all that bright.
Comment by Buck Bradley (3379b8) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:28 pm
Obama has never been a Professor, and neither Obama nor his ugly wife possess a LAW LICENSE.
– Well, not in this country, anyway.
Comment by Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:34 pm
He wants women allowed on to August National so that the club will install the ladies tee he needs to play from…
Comment by Gazzer (1bd7de) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:37 pm
Gazzer–I don’t think they allow mom jeans at Augusta like he wears for bike riding and wears to sporting events like baseball games, though
Comment by elissa (cedaef) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:45 pm
barry and eric
ishkabibble and ishkabob
just two lumps of coal
Comment by Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:47 pm
Take a listen to “Kind of Blue” or “Sketches of Spain” if you’re unsure of that man’s brilliance.
Comment by Icy
One of the biggest racist a-holes of the music scene (along with Max Roach) but a brilliant musician, yes.
Comment by Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:48 pm
16. “This is what happens when a Republic devolves into a Democracy.”
Astute point. Athenian democracy, devolving to property owners, survived but 50 years.
Past time for a 2nd constitutional convention. We just have to drastically reduce the prospective participants’ number.
Comment by gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:52 pm
Aggle flaggle glabble knuffle bunny
Comment by JD (34d969) — 4/6/2012 @ 2:58 pm
My opinion hasn’t changed much in 3 and some odd years:
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/6/2012 @ 3:00 pm
SarahW–there’s no denying it. Across both time and space when you’re right, you’re right. Be proud.
Comment by elissa (cedaef) — 4/6/2012 @ 3:09 pm
#7 Orin is a lot more impressed with his intellect than I am. Any idiot could see that Obamacare not only was not constitutional but could not possibly be constitutional (what part of enumerated powers don’t you understand, Orin?), yet he spent the better part of the last two years patting himself on the back lauding his supposed sophistication in predicting the demise of the challenge to Obamacare and denigrating commenters who begged to differ. It turns out a lot of these geniuses really aren’t all that bright.
Comment by Buck Bradley — 4/6/2012 @ 2:28 pm
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My opinion hasn’t changed much in 3 and some odd years:
SarahW says October 27, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I have views on Orin Kerr.
He is a boat-misser. A bad thinker.
A law misreader.
He sails off into a ditch and calls it the road.
Comment by SarahW — 4/6/2012 @ 3:00 pm
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Thank gawd –I’ve only read two of his posts-both on the 5th circuit action. He seems to think that is the end of the world.
I think I will take the implied advice-that I should cease and desist from reading Kerr.
Comment by madawaskan (89a442) — 4/6/2012 @ 3:35 pm
But they’re democrats. No one is supposed to notice!
Comment by HWGood (ae7ee1) — 4/6/2012 @ 3:39 pm
weak chin… thought… suck
he feels your innuendo
still he’s much too slow
Comment by Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:02 pm
money for nothing
and get yer Solicitor
Gen’ral Briefs for free!
Comment by Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:06 pm
i doan wahn any mtv
Comment by Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:06 pm
I said goddam… GODDAMN! the Holder man
Comment by Colonel Haiku (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:08 pm
ya know he defended a lot of terrorists
Oh Lord! he talked a lot of swill
but he never fought for nuthin’
that the Supreme Court couldn’t kill
and now I seen a lot of seniors walkin’ ’round
with tombstones in their eyes
but the Holderman don’t care
if they live or if they die
God Damn! The Holder
God Damn! The Holder
I said Goddamn… Goddamn the Holderman!
Comment by Colonel Hoyt (0a9a62) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:20 pm
Both the Obamas have law licenses. They are on inactive status for obvious reasons. Same thing with every judge, including the Supreme Court.
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 4:25 pm
NK I believe that Moochelle was “invited” to give up her law license by the Illinois Bar governors.
I don’t know about The Bamster, but I’ll accept your representation on that one–but not on Moochelle.
Comment by Mike Myers (dc4fc0) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:00 pm
There is no record of any disciplinary proceedings against her, and there would be. Her status is “voluntarily inactive” which is without prejudice. Barack is “voluntarily retired” which is basically the same thing, he never was much shucks as a lawyer, anyway, and there is no record of discipline against him, either.
My source: Illinois ARDC, Lawyer Search.
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:06 pm
Both can become active by paying the registration fee and complying with CLE.
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:08 pm
The registration fee is peanuts, $289.00, but CLE is a pain where you sit. I might go inactive for a time just to avoid it until next year.
Patterico, can we get this site certified with Illinois as a CLE provider?
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:15 pm
$289 is a lot of cupcakes Mr. nk
it’s all about making good choices
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:27 pm
After Mr. Obama “voluntarily retired” his law license he might have let some of his learnings get a little rusty I think. That old use it or lose it thing is true. Maybe that’s why he says silly things and seemed so confused about what the supreme court does. It’s too bad, because he really put his nice employee Mr. Carney in a terrible predicament.
Comment by elissa (372005) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:40 pm
exempli gratia
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:40 pm
More evidence on sociopathy:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/06/law-school-refuses-to-hire-professor-who-embraces-politics-the-rest-of-the-faculty-despises/
And on the subject of weak chins, Murky has said defect combined with an overbite deformity, not to mention hyperthyroidism contributed by the soft tissues.
More evidence libs are homely.
Comment by gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:52 pm
I thought lifeydoodles had their own special schools already
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 7:57 pm
Obama gives demagoguery a bad name.
Comment by AZ Bob (1c9631) — 4/6/2012 @ 8:04 pm
Hey, I’m homely and I’m not a lib! Or did you mean “limp”?
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 8:22 pm
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 8:44 pm
deTocqueville wrote, back in the days when we had Indians, that group-think was the supreme American law and I believe him, happyfeet. Conform to noncorfomism. It’s just that we’re big enough now to have two groups.
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 8:51 pm
i was thinking more in context of if I were to be contemplating going into 6 figures of debt for a legal education, how eager might I be for to have free-thinking out-of-mainstream teachers?
I really have no idea since I already once stared intently into that abyss and blanched.
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:04 pm
I am tending to agree with Rush: That Obama knows exactly what he is doing and is appealing to his very low IQ base.
Comment by AZ Bob (1c9631) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:15 pm
you know who has failed utterly to conform? one Mr. J. Derbyshire is who
and what has he done he’s ruint Easter
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:17 pm
Yes, that was stupid and obscene thing to say, even considering who he was writing for.
Comment by narciso (a66fe7) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:27 pm
I worked my way through law school. College and high school, too. When I left law school I had no debt, and money in the bank. I bought a Renault Fuego. Cutest car ever made. Junked it after 38,000 miles and bought a Cutlass Supreme Classic. Still have it. My brother got his MBA while working overtime. A school is like a bell. It’s up to you how you ring it.
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:56 pm
I can’t even leave Target without having any debt
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 9:56 pm
I scissored my credit cards in 1996. Got a debit card in January, 2011. Use it mostly at ATMs, hardly shop with it. Pay as you go. Write me in as President. You won’t be sorry.
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:06 pm
this here is one of but two nuclear plants in California look at how beautiful it is
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:10 pm
I have to use cards for so I keep my credit score hot sexy and desirable
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:11 pm
Yeah, I basically have no credit score, because I have no debt reported. Unless I let my medical bills go to collection. Heard that people who pay their cedit cards in full every month are called “deadbeats” by the credit card company.
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:18 pm
you have to pay in full every month now… credit cards have gotten very ghetto with their rates – especially if you get any kind of points
it used to not be this way, even when the prime was like 5 times what it is today
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:25 pm
One of the biggest racist a-holes of the music scene (along with Max Roach) but a brilliant musician, yes.
Comment by Colonel Haiku — 4/6/2012 @ 2:48 pm
– No defense of Miles Davis as a man; but as a musician . . . hoo doggie!
Comment by Icy (91e0b5) — 4/6/2012 @ 10:32 pm
Thomas Kinkade is dead no one tells me anything
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 12:11 am
paint the light Jared
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 12:12 am
Miles version of Cannonball Adderley’s “Something Else” is a favorite of mine.
Comment by sickofrinos (44de53) — 4/7/2012 @ 12:57 am
16- Water and seeds are a must.
Comment by sickofrinos (44de53) — 4/7/2012 @ 1:03 am
i make passes
at girls who wear Miles Davis sunglasses
Comment by pdbuttons (f5fa38) — 4/7/2012 @ 1:23 am
It appears to me that Holder is perhaps one of a few people who are more arrogant and condescending than Obama.
“Look at the door. It says ‘Attorney General’, and it has my name on it. Who cares what any ‘attorney-not-the-general’ or judge says. I am the law of the land. Got that? The Monarchy of England no longer is really in charge of their country, but we are in charge of ours.” (Imagined “quote”.)
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:21 am
Can a judge charge the AG with contempt of court?
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:22 am
Ever hear Miles Davis do Surrey with the Fringe on Top?
Comment by ropelight (366f66) — 4/7/2012 @ 5:21 am
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And Holder ends the letter by saying: “The President’s remarks were fully consistent with the principles described herein.”
And when Obama’s pal, Van Jones, said a few days ago that his former boss could declare he was an out-and-out homosexual and a large majority of black America — among others — still would vote for him, I think that illustrates the huge capacity of various people to delude themselves or, quite simply, to be outright fools, no matter what.
Such people, including Eric Holder, can be dishonest and disingenuous — with themselves and others — until they’re blue in the face, and it won’t phase them one bit. That’s because, in their eyes, liberal sentiment and liberal policymaking are so full of compassion, humaneness and wonderfulness, that the ends justify the means.
There are plenty of folks in the US who are no different from much of the populace in a country like this…
Comment by Mark (31bbb6) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:07 am
Van Jones, is not really that bright, why sign that 9/11 denialist petition, or make as many mistakes that caused the White House to fire him, but the US hopefully is not as to Argentina, where an economic
crisis, has allowed those grifters, the Kirchners
who did pal around with the Montoneros, in their
youth, the lay of the land,
Comment by narciso (132802) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:17 am
Happy Feet, you should get a girlfriend—that way you’ll have something to occupy your time on Friday night, other than clicking on “submit comment” every time a new “thought” enters your mind.
And if you can’t get a girlfriend, consider getting a job at Target. That way, you can get the employee discount so you won’t go further into debt.
Comment by Band Aid (0ae97d) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:46 am
Contempt of court is a pretty limited thing. Its abuse is an exception to judicial immunity in Illinois. Judges have gone to jail for it.
There are four kinds, direct and indirect times criminal or civil. But boiled down it’s thumbing your nose at the judicial process in a very egregious matter.
I’ve come close to it more than once. I ain’t afraid of no judge. But the closer I came to it was a warning from the best judge in the civil division that if I did it again I would owe his clerk a $100.00. He knew I respected him, just giving me a little pinch on the arm.
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/7/2012 @ 7:05 am
Thanks for the response, nk.
I imagine it is largely a case of “political will”, something that is done which is contemptuous (at least in the general usage of the word, not a technical lawyer usage) which I consider Holder’s response to be, but then the judge needs to decide if he/she wants to press the issue, and whether others will back him/her up, or turn on the judge, as you suggest, and say the judge overreacted and abused their power in a way that is intimidating.
So, if Holder is simply being a jerk, and everyone knows it, it will slide. But if it was somebody that “they” wanted an excuse to hassle, it would be, “Such behavior is unacceptable in an AG, they should be held to a higher standard, not allowed to get away with stuff”.
Such is the state of affairs.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 8:28 am
“I bought a Renault Fuego. Cutest car ever made.”
until…
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=fiat%20500&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CG4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fiat.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fpbrand.dll%2FFIAT_COM%2Fshowroom%2Fshowroom.jsp%3FmodelKey%3D150&ei=zWSAT4mXO-rOiALLy6CZAw&usg=AFQjCNG_eUOnIKbtaiu2ScLwkrmDqzGY0Q&cad=rja
Comment by Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:02 am
That’s just not very so very nice whatsoever. You know Mr. feet’s antipathy for females is strong, right?
Comment by Squealing Like a Pig (8534e7) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:03 am
Cheezit, why did T. Kincaide shuffle off at just 54?
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:06 am
J&J will not be ignored!
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:07 am
nk… it is arguable that the Renault
TwatTwingo was cuter than the Fuego, which you were lucky to unload before it ended up “En Fuego” as so many of them did.Comment by Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:09 am
They have one o’ those fiats out at the Stony Point fashion center piazza. It just needs a little pancake on its head.
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:12 am
– No defense of Miles Davis as a man; but as a musician . . . hoo doggie!
Comment by Icy
he sure had an ability to recognize and cultivate talent… John McLaughlin… Tony Williams… Herbie Hancock… Joe Zawinul… Chick Corea… Billy Cobham!
Comment by Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:20 am
They have one o’ those fiats out at the Stony Point fashion center piazza. It just needs a little pancake on its head.
Comment by SarahW
A Fiat 500 Abarth will soon be gracing my driveway.
Comment by Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:21 am
Col Haiku – have you picked a color? I like the pastel green one.
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:06 am
The hot Abarth version only comes in black, red or white… I’ll find (and post) the one that I’m going for… here!
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/05/2012-fiat-500-abarth-first-drive-review-video/
Comment by Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:10 am
for those of you who love an outstanding exhaust note, scroll down to the short vid at the autoblog link and have a listen… awesome!
Comment by Colonel Haiku (94eafc) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:13 am
buttons!
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:26 am
i’d get a fiat someday maybe if I’m still in a no commute having place – the government motors answer to the fiat space is effing ghastly it looks like someone was playing with a tanagram puzzle
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:32 am
girlfriends are very helpful with debt they’re practically certified financial counselors
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:34 am
The Arbath looks zippy.
Ick happyfeet, I don’t think I like insectoid cars.
Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:37 am
oh sorry here is a picture of the ghastly insectoid car I accidentally linked a different article
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:39 am
When I think of driving the Fiat on the So Cal freeways an average of about 150 miles per day, I just cringe. 4 lanes of idiots driving SUV’s while eating, drinking coffee, doing their makeup and talking on the phone while playing pole position steering with their knees just won’t end well.
Maybe if I lived and worked where I could stay on surface streets with the lower speed limits…..
Comment by Jay H Curtis (804124) — 4/7/2012 @ 11:02 am
It is a cute car. But so was the Isetta.
Comment by Jay H Curtis (804124) — 4/7/2012 @ 11:04 am
so is this one, jay Curtis and yours truly has split his commute to the office on the busy highways of the greater Sacramento area between one of these and his 350Z for going on 5 years now…
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Fiat_X1-9.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/vehicles/road/cars/fiat_x19.html&h=227&w=312&sz=47&tbnid=5EuCrMVh6rZIMM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=124&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfiat%2Bx19%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=fiat+x19&docid=8KLLgMSQOvvESM&sa=X&ei=dp-AT_q2DuiLiALio72oAw&ved=0CEsQ9QEwAw&dur=2377
Comment by Colonel Haiku (823f18) — 4/7/2012 @ 1:14 pm
But you do have to be careful, anticipate boneheaded moves by others and use the exquisite handling and maneuverability afforded by these cars.
Comment by Colonel Haiku (823f18) — 4/7/2012 @ 1:17 pm
I had forgotten Fiats even existed, it has been so long since I have seen or heard mention of one.
Is the Euro now so bad against the dollar that it is a bargain to buy one?
Or is this sarcasm and I’m falling for it like a Patterico April Fools joke?
The Fiats and Renaults I remember from years ago gave me the idea that one could probably put your foot through the floor pressing on the brake too hard and would cause a very nasty set of stubbed toes.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:15 pm
Fiat bought Chrysler Mr. MD so Fiats are like a bonus now plus J Lo pretends to drive one which makes them pretty darn special if you think about it
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:38 pm
I have a ’76 Fiat with 138K miles that is in fine running condition in my garage, along with a souped up ’81 that has a little over 196K in my driveway. I don’t see a lot of that vintage cars of any marque outside of the scrapyard. Just have to take care of them. The older ones were definitely not built for the colder climes and salted roads.
Comment by Colonel Haiku (997307) — 4/7/2012 @ 2:43 pm
Can a judge charge the AG with contempt of court?
– He should be charged with being contemptuous of all 300 million of his fellow citizens.
Comment by Icy (885201) — 4/7/2012 @ 3:15 pm
girlfriends are very helpful with debt they’re practically certified financial counselors
– Praise Jebus!
Comment by Icy (885201) — 4/7/2012 @ 3:17 pm
Direct criminal contempt: Punch the opposing attorney in front of the judge. Six months, $500.00 penalty, maximum, unless the case is referred to a prosecutor and the defendant is given the right to a jury trial.
Indirect criminal contempt: Punch the opposing attorney in the hallway. Same penalty.
Direct civil contempt: The judge asks you a question and you refuse to answer. Indefinite imprisonment and/or daily fine until you comply but if it is obvious that you will never comply, it is pointless and they must let you go.
Indirect civil contempt: There is a valid court order to clear away your twenty non-running cars from your front yard. You don’t. The order is converted into a judgment, the city brings a tow truck, you pay all costs plus a daily fine. (Usually, these things are settled for a few pennies to the city, relatively speaking, I settled a demolition order for a six-flat for $2,500.00).
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/7/2012 @ 4:01 pm
Serious interchange-
So the judge would have to declare Holder’s dishonest answer as not counting as an answer for direct civil contempt.
Not so serious, Combining Icy and nk-
Maybe a certain official who shall be unnamed (to protect me) should be punched by a judge on live TV for direct non-civil contemptuousness so 300 million Americans can rest that their grievance has been addressed.
The older ones were definitely not built for the colder climes and salted roads.
My opinion was formed while living in Wisconsin. I don’t know about salt, I was always concerned what would happen to the little box losing control on ice and going “bump” into something bigger, like a snowman.
Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:00 pm
Be honest. Wouldn’t you rather be driving a Porsche Boxter? And the new generation ones are lighter and more fuel efficient and all.
Comment by elissa (65d3dc) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:08 pm
I am looking for a new car. It is a tough decision.
Comment by JD (cffda0) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:17 pm
Lawyers say stupid things to judges all the time.
Comment by nk (52d02a) — 4/7/2012 @ 6:40 pm
I think I’m going to make a peanut butter & jelly sandwich. And then I’m going to start a fiat against my local city council. Or maybe I’ll just buy a Fiat, instead.
I don’t know—it’s all just a stream of consciousness.
As Kenny Rogers once sang, “We’re all just islands in the stream.”
I think Hemingway wrote that sentiment, once, too. Of course, he had another sentiment one day, in Ketchum, Idaho.
It was the last sentiment he ever had !
Oh, my random thoughts…they never end ! I’m so happy that I have feet !
Comment by Band Aid (0ae97d) — 4/7/2012 @ 8:41 pm
Years later, his granddaughter had the same sentiment.
Comment by Icy (885201) — 4/7/2012 @ 9:51 pm
The current administration has attempted to rule by Executive Fiat; but, fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective) Teh One and his AG are still stuck inside the clown car.
Comment by Icy (885201) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:04 pm
Welch’s Grape Jelly in particular has a special recovery process to trap the flavor and return it to the jelly
Comment by happyfeet (3c92a1) — 4/7/2012 @ 10:34 pm
100. My bud had a yellow X1/9 circa 1980, practically invisible to truckers along side as his dad and mom found to their chagrin.
Fabulous handler, did seem a tad underpowered. Following him once thru a tight curve I put my rice beater in a four wheel drift into the curb and a couple week stint in the shop.
Comment by gary gulrud (d88477) — 4/7/2012 @ 11:09 pm
Dad test-drove an X1/9 in 1978. I was 13; had to ride shotgun.
Dad didn’t buy. He had a growing boy eating him out of house and home.
Comment by Icy (885201) — 4/8/2012 @ 3:49 am
my ’81
http://classicmotorsports.net/media/img/readerrides/IMG_0753_X19.jpg
Comment by Colonel Haiku (d0f994) — 4/8/2012 @ 9:44 am
I believe the phrase is “oh no he di’n't!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS4X5_-OAE8
JD, if you’re in the city on a nice day, hit me up and I’ll take you for a spin in the mid-life-crisis-mobile. As Nick Nolte said in 48 Hours, I’m a ragtop man.
Comment by carlitos (49ef9f) — 4/8/2012 @ 7:07 pm
Carlitos – will do. It is a date.
Random hearts you
Comment by JD (318f81) — 4/8/2012 @ 7:32 pm
Star Trek TNG ref, for you geeks:
“Eric Holder, his pants aflame!”
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Comment by Curly (8096f2) — 4/9/2012 @ 12:20 pm
Comment by happyfeet — 4/6/2012 @ 11:13 am
what was unprecedented I think was slamming this unprecedentedly violent rape of American health care through the legislature using reconciliation
No, they didn’t do that. They used reconciliation later to fix some of the problems with the bill, I thin. And of course, Santorum wants to use reconciliation (the one kind of bill not subject to a filibuster) to repeal it.
What they did is pass a bill in the Senate with a filibuster proof 60 votes for it. When they lost the filibuster-proof majority, they passed the Senate bill in the House of Representatives word for word, and so avoided the need for a conference committee to come up with a new version of the bill which would again have to pass both houses. That was what was unprecedented with a major bill, unless this happened during Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s 100 days.
But at that time you didn’t need more than a majority in the Senate. A filibuster was a rarely used phenomena. The Senators actually had to talk on the floor, all day and all night. And I think they also maybe had the thought that if this was done too often they could lose the filibuster rule, and there were Senators who wanted to keep that in reserve as a last resort for use against bills they really really were opposed to – mainly against civil rights legislation, which in those days was mostly the prospect of an anti-lynching bill. But you know, theoretically there could have been a bill to enforce the right to vote.
So they deliberately limited its application (and also made sure no cloture vote actually passed)
Getting rid of the filibuster was a real possibility. Originally there had been no way to break a filibuster, but in 1917 a cloture rule was adopted that would end a filibuster with a 2/3 vote(64 out of 96 Senators)
That became 67 out of a hundred when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted to the union. Then at some point in he 1970s I think [1975] the 2/3 was reduced to 60. This is exactly 60 (3/5 of the number of Senators – it would be 59 of 98 if there were two vacancies at the time) When it was 2/3, it was 2/3 of those present and voting. But if the issue is changing the Senate rules, then it would be 3/5 of those present and voting.
But then later they hit upon the device of the easy filibuster. Now nobody has to actually filibuster. They just have to declare their intention. Anyway since the 1950s, the Senate operates pretty much by unanimous consent for most things. Any Senator can block anything.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c) — 4/9/2012 @ 10:38 pm
I think during the 100 days, they passed bills that were entirely written by the White House.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c) — 4/9/2012 @ 10:41 pm
61. Comment by nk — 4/6/2012 @ 9:56 pm
I worked my way through law school. College and high school, too. When I left law school I had no debt, and money in the bank.
Yes, but what year was this?
It is still possible, maybe, if you go to a public university.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman (ebf45c) — 4/9/2012 @ 10:46 pm