I Am Going to Take a Deep Breath
Writing blog posts while extremely angry is probably not a good idea. Tommy Christopher has really done it tonight; you can check Twitter if you care. I plan to write it up, but I think I’ll do it tomorrow when I am not furious over a smear of my friend who died.
For now, I will just say this: if you’re going to pass along a story about someone who recently passed away, and the story paints that person in a bad light, and you are aware of facts that strongly undercut the story . . . the decent thing to do is to report those facts.
UPDATE: I will probably still be furious tomorrow, is my guess. But my fury will have leveled out to a manageable state, I think.
UPDATE x2: The best place to read about what made me so angry is at Twitchy.com, in a post titled Mediaite smears James O’Keefe and Andrew Breitbart. The post lays out all of the relevant context and tweets, with a link to (and extensive quotes from) my post discussing the testimony Nadia Naffe gave regarding the barn incident. Twitchy.com concludes:
Let us be clear: We don’t have a problem with Mediaite covering Naffe’s allegatons. We do have a problem with Mediaite’s failure to mention that the allegation of a “rape plot” is inconsistent with the allegations in Naffe’s criminal complaint.
Indeed. And so do I. A big problem.
I just want to add one thing. A friend of mine whom I respect greatly has tried to vouch for Nadia Naffe. Me, I don’t know what happened in the barn; all I know is what Nadia Naffe testified to . . . and it didn’t sound like a “rape plot” to me. I think it is a smear of Andrew to imply that he ignored a “rape plot” — without explaining that she told a judge she was not harassed or even touched that night in O’Keefe’s makeshift office (aka the “rape barn”).
And I also know this: my opinion of Nadia Naffe was cemented the day Andrew Breitbart died — because on that very same day, she tweeted this:
That disgusting tweet, and the company she keeps on Twitter these days (check for yourself: one of her retweets, republished by Tommy, is from someone who recently claimed to have been raided by the FBI), has me very suspicious of her motives.
Haven’t yet read the Twitter feed, but it’s hard to object to what you wrote as a general matter.
I’ll say this: Breitbart sure inspired a lot of passions, including an obvious passionate love in his friends. Probably because he felt and expressed unguileless passions — and truth — himself.
Random (afcb1f) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:00 pmNadia Naffe is a lying liar that hearts Neal Rowhowser.
JD (0e9826) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:10 pmSorry about your friend, and hope that you are OK.
carlitos (49ef9f) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:12 pmAnyone know if it’s possible to ciew their tweets in a threaded or conversation view, prefereqbly on an iphone? I only see their individual outgoing tweets at each of their Twitter URLs and it’s a bit hard to piece them together in sequence.
Random (afcb1f) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:13 pm*view
Random (afcb1f) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:14 pmI survived Rape Barn 2012 and all I got was this lousy but really tight-fitting t-shirt what shows off my rack better than a lot of stuff I paid Express good money for.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:17 pmHappyfeet rocks
JD (0e9826) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:20 pmYes, JD, he has been very funny as of late.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:24 pmChristopher’s Mediate piece is so far from on-balance it’s obscene.
I’ll leave defending AB to you, but here are some obvious criticisms of his attack on O’Keefe:
He takes painstaking care to list every known negative about O’Keefe to paint him as a pariah on the downturn and fails to list a single success he has had in the same time period– Vermont this very week.
While he at least calls it a “finished” barn, he does nothing to challenge the fact that the word ‘barn’ is being used to paint the O’Keefe guest house as a sinister place. We all know it’s a freaking guest house! But that doesn’t as terrifying.
He also prints the tweet suggesting Naffe was drugged and leaves it out there– this is the worst kind of slander.
Bottom line- he knows what the court testimony suggest- She got drunk and belligerent and in a spat with James about work and was difficult to deal with. He knows what the leftist meme is- James tried to sexually assault her in a barn.
He does everything to promote that false meme of Shuster/Olbermann (And if it’s not false, then Naffe lied in court) and nothing to demonstrate the court testimony that it is false.
Even worse is that he scorns the irrelevant ‘@Sarahgoldstein’ and uses tweets from operatives “@OccupyRebellion” and “@ElectMarcoRubio” in his story. Care to mention who these people are Tommy? Didn’t one of them or their close anon friends embarrass you a few months ago- and still you use them in your story?
But what do I know. I’m just a dumb Breitbot.
Auntie Fraud (2f38aa) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:26 pmI have a feeling Tommy is going to regret that article (professionally).
This guy actually reports from the White House? Seriously? When does Breitbart get a reporter in there? Seriously.
#liberty_chick 4 White House Press Corps
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:33 pmI read both’s tweets for the last couple days. Can’t say I really got the alleged rape plot. Who was supposed to have been plotting to rape her?
Random (afcb1f) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:41 pmBut wait! There’s more!
Naffe writes Maxine Waters kept calling her after the PV One United Sting– as did her daughter Karen
I knew about the OneUnited stuff (somewhat), but not about Karen’s “Progressive Connections”
http://watchdog.org/6357/rep-maxine-waters’-‘unseemly’-slate-mail-game/
How deep will this go?
Auntie Fraud (2f38aa) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:44 pmAsk Nadia. Apparently she wasn’t being harassed, yet Andrew ignored the rape plot in the Rape Barn. @anonops @anonops @anonops!
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:46 pmwait…did you use Tommy Xtofer and decent in the same sentence? they don’t belong in the same paragraph unless it has the prefix ‘in’ attached,
JP (4912e4) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:47 pmPatterico,
I can’t provide any comfort for you in dealing with the likes of Christopher, but I can provide some comic relief on another subject dear to your heart.
The line outside the New York City flagship Apple Store on Fifth Avenue Friday morning extended down 58th street, rounded the corner onto Madison Avenue, and made its way up 59th street.
“It’s literally around the block,” an Apple employee said.
Those on line were, of course, eagerly — and patiently — waiting for the new iPad, seemingly unfazed by the drizzle and chilly 40-degree temperatures. Proudly standing at the front of the line was Huntington, N.Y. resident Greg Packer, 48, (left) who said he camped out there for five days, since Monday afternoon. He wasn’t allowed to set up a tent, but thankfully was able to sit in a chair.
“It’s the chance to spend a week and watch the people go by,” he said of his long wait. “I plan to get one, possibly two.”
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (bf357d) — 3/16/2012 @ 10:49 pmTommy cites a tweet from someone who says she was raided by the FBI — and the supposed raid gets no mention?
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:11 pm“Tommy cites a tweet from someone who says she was raided by the FBI — and the supposed raid gets no mention?
Comment by Patterico — 3/16/2012 @ 11:11 pm”
In fact, the only friends Ms Naffe seems to have these days (at least on twitter) are anonymous leftist operatives. That speaks highly of her.
Auntie Fraud (2f38aa) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:24 pmMy initial reaction is to be dismissive, yet reading further there are a few disturbing allegations (which means squat all without evidence), then this:
If there is evidence for that, that would reflect really, really, really badly on O’Keefe. About the only plausibly believe defense would be if he’d had a crush on/relationship with her, and got P.O.’d at her for jilting him/being with somebody else. But the defense he never had a thing for her wouldn’t fly.
Anyway, is there evidence for or against that video she alleges he posted? I’m guessing she has none, but if she does, that changes everything. For O’Keefe.
Is it my imagination casually perusing her Twitter feed, but:
1. She reads like a leftist. “Pigford is a class of Black farmers receiving monetary damages caused by decades of discrimination by the USDA”
2. She follows and/or has some links to “Anonymous”
3. She claims to have dirt on O’Keefe in the form of his emails, but is waiting for (probably nonexistent/never going to happen) subpoenas before releasing them?
4. But she loves threatening to release them?
Do I have that about right?
I’ll take her seriously if she has proof of the O’Keefe video calling her filthy, dirty, and a tramp. Until then, not so much.
Random (763812) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:25 pm*plausibly believable
Random (763812) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:26 pmMy last comment was made before reading this:
or anything after 13.
Random (763812) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:28 pmMaybe Tommy and Occupyrebellion are old acquaintances? lol
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:33 pm“you can check Twitter”
All I see is the usual: the wit and wisdom of leftards in 140 characters or less.
Which is about ten times more than you actually need.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:33 pmWho could deny the honesty and conservatism of someone who mocks Andrew Breitbart’s death, and tweets @nicolegennette and @anonops? Surely this is a misunderstood lady.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:34 pmPro Tip: If you ever get slandered or threatened in a video like Nadia alleges keep the page up and record it with a camera before downloading it (in case they delete right away).
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:35 pmThat understates it quite a bit.
She claims to have all his emails. Going back 7 years.
Nothing suspicious or odd about that, says me!
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:36 pmLook, I don’t know what the truth is. Some people rape and some people lie about rape. I agree with Professor Dershowitz when he said rape is the most underreported — and overreported — crime there is. And even dishonest crazy people get raped, so anything is possible.
Be that as it may, if Tommy Christopher believes this particular woman without some major league verification, he is a dunderhead.
Random (763812) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:36 pmSir, please bear in mind the old maxim:
Never mud-wrestle with a pig. You have to lower yourself to the pig’s level, and you end up covered in mud. The pig doesn’t play by the rules. Worse, the pig enjoys getting dirty. And even if you win, the only reward you’ll ever get is to be able to say that you’ve won a mud-wrestling contest with a pig.
Murgatroyd (e0d30c) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:36 pmWell yeah. Unless she cleared her cache, which is an active process, it’s still recoverable. What do you think happens when you watch an online video? It just magically shows up in the browser and goes away after?
No. It’s downloaded and kept as a temp file; it can eventually be overwritten, but is recoverable for quite some time. Same with thumbnail images if all she saw was that and then got a “this video was removed by user” type error.
This is the sort of thing that if it happened, she could have proved it.
So if she can prove it, great. I’d like to see how imbalanced people are on our side. I like to be fair about things, and entertainment is entertainment, right?
But do I believe her without evidence, when evidence for that could absolutely have been provided? No. Not a bit.
Random (763812) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:41 pmWell, even if they were lovers, I can hardly see why she would have that. And I don’t think she’s claiming they were lovers.
But yeah, it’s odd. If she has them, I’m thinking some Anonymous hacking contribution there, perhaps aided by a honey-pot agent. I’m definitely not thinking he just said, “Hey, have all my emails,” and I certainly am not thinking her rape story makes any sense in that (she has all his emails, and they never even eagerly banged each other) context.
Random (763812) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:44 pmI was kind of leaving that out there for the regular Joe. I am sure there are a lot of people out there who have no idea how to download a Youtube video etc. If it was on her camera she could have easily shown it to the Judge.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:46 pmI definitely wouldn’t say I know O’Keefe well enough to know he’s incapable of it. How would I know that? I don’t know the guy at all.
But she seems flakey and suspicious as hell. I haven’t come across her Breitbart heart attack tweet yet, but I am curious.
Random (fd4618) — 3/16/2012 @ 11:55 pmI’m loathe to put too much stock in reactions to trauma since people are so different (I’ve always thought looking at a parent and saying that one’s guilty of abduction because they’re not grieving in the approved manner is patently stupid, albeit common, which is to repeat myself). Yet this reaction:
doesn’t feel to me like the organic response of a former compatriot who is shocked her brother in political arms violated her trust … I’d expect more like, “I never expected this from him since we share so much in common, but he’s a psycho,” or what have you. On the contrary, what she’s actually written
looks like a gleeful takedown of an ideological opponent, rather than some guy who abused her.
That’s my take.
Random (fd4618) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:02 amRandom, she admits there was no rape. There is no reason to wonder about what anyone is capable of.
She can either tell the truth in “Part 2: The Rape Barn Chronicles” or she can lie. If she lies there will then be two conflicting stories.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:02 amRandom, she admits there was no rape. There is no reason to wonder about what anyone is capable of.
Yep, I know, but she is alleging he pressured her to remain, implying he gave her some type of drug to keep control of her, posted a video calling her filthy, and so forth.
Random (fd4618) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:05 amThe transcript makes this all pretty clear.
It seems obvious that he is trying to make her stay because she is intoxicated (on beer most likely).
She never says anything about being drugged.
She does have some tweets that are worded oddly about it.
I agree that the video could be an issue but really is it illegal to call someone a tramp? What was the context? We would need to see the video.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:11 amI agree this is far more likely than her having been slipped a drug, and not least of which because I saw a study recently where most women who thought they had been slipped a drug hadn’t been: they were just drunk (which isn’t to say they weren’t also unconscionably raped: some were).
No, I’ve called a woman or two a tramp. But were a video to come out accusing a woman of promiscuity after she alleges you tried to/wanted to rape her, well, it would be such horrible judgment to release such a video then, that it would come across as a cover-up, as an attack the victim kind of them.
Also, a video calling a woman a tramp is a little odd (but I guess he does make videos).
“God I hate you, slut,” vs., “Here’s my video masterpiece proving your sluttiness to the world.”
Although when I think about it like that, I kind of like the second approach.
lol
But seriously, it wouldn’t be a good idea.
Random (fd4618) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:16 am* kind of th
Random (fd4618) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:17 ameming.after she alleges you tried to/wanted to rape her
Again, she never alleges that.
The video was before the probable cause hearing and (if I am remembering right) he took it down pretty fast.
Youtube is littered with slanderous videos. I highly doubt whatever it is was a crime (maybe not in good taste).
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:24 amThe rape barn: a tour.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:39 amlol I almost posted that video here awhile ago but I thought it might have been viewed as really poor taste!
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:42 amThe comment to the video says: “Unbelievably bad taste.”
Hard to disagree!
So much connected with the rape barn, actually, is in unbelievably bad taste.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:42 amSo there actually was a video?
All I can say on that is producing and posting such a video about someone you work (or worked) with shows such unimaginably bad judgment about sexual matters that it begins to undermine O’Keefe’s credibility, quite apart from Naffe’s credibility.
So if the video existed, bad.
Anyway, if there were no rape/attempted rape allegations, no foul. But … did he really post such a video?
Random (85a9db) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:46 amIt’s your site though, so you can do it. I don’t think I made it very far into the video before I decided that I better not post it.
I am optimistic about this story. We just need the truth to come out.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:50 amThe kid’s rape barn video is kind of funny.
Less funny though when I remember a series of high-profile serial rape murders that occurred in one. But the jarring nature of life sometimes demands humor.
Random (85a9db) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:50 amWe only have her side Random, but she said he posted one.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 1:08 amOh, well, if that’s all, then I don’t buy it.
Random (85a9db) — 3/17/2012 @ 1:24 amI would suggest ignoring Mr Christopher who is a nobody wanting to be somebody, that anyone EVER on the conservative side would be a “friend” of his shows how low the conservative movement has devolved!
JadedByPolitics (91e088) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:36 amI first tried to deal with Xtopher, during one of the ethics complaints about Sarah, the one ostensibly about the Arctic Cat jacket, but really
narciso (c5b8e3) — 3/17/2012 @ 6:07 amabout the heresy of having publically opposed the stimulus, he was deliberately clueless then, and hasn’t shown any further wisdom since, his willingness to adopt toxic memes, as in after Tucson, this was before Weinergate, ratified that judgement,
One assumes a degree of fundamental honesty, but the prosecutors who conducted the witchhunt against Stevens, those who fostered the AGW scam, that’s just not possible.
narciso (c5b8e3) — 3/17/2012 @ 6:28 amThe truth is an inconvenience to them;
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/03/wisconsin-judicial-commission-filed.html?m=1
narciso (c5b8e3) — 3/17/2012 @ 7:02 amWe wrote about this story at Twitchy here and gave props to your excellent coverage: http://twitchy.com/2012/03/17/mediaite-smears-james-okeefe-and-andrew-breitbart/
Jesse (67aa63) — 3/17/2012 @ 7:09 amFrom reading the court documents, and her mourning of Breitbart, and then weird tweets alluding to some rape plot, sounds to me like Tommy is going to end up getting played again. Just like he did defending Weiner and Betty and Veronica during Weinergate, Soledad during Bellgate, OWS during rapegate (ripped into Breitbart and Santorum), Halloweengate, urinegate, CNN “sex boat caper”…
He seems to jump at a lot of these stories to attack or smear Conservatives, and let’s his temper or bias get in the way and ends up looking foolish, as well as wrong.
Nadia didn’t make those allegations months ago, not sure why she would allude to them now. Hard to claim someone was trying to drug and rape you, when they weren’t even there (she testified he left her in the barn/apt. and went to his house).
sarainitaly (519d9b) — 3/17/2012 @ 7:28 amOK, I just read the post on her testimony. Now I get it.
Holy God.
So he refused to head back to some drunk chick who couldn’t even keep track of her panties and drive her to some train station so she could pass out there? Instead, he wanted her safe and sound at a well-equipped room at his parents’ place while he got some work done? The kind of work he’s known to be passionate for, that she bailed out on, preferring instead to lose her panties, alone, at his folks’ place?
Ha ha. I’d have done the same thing to the drunken souse. He probably brought a frriend back with him just so she wouldn’t accuse him of rape and, if so, good call.
Then she brings forth the weakest harassment case in the history of harassment cases against him in the wrong jurisdiction?
Ha ha ha. What a skank.
Keith Olbermann and David Shuster lost the minimal respect I might have had for them for their blatant lying slanderous distortions against O’Keefe. I hope they get they get their asses sued and their reputations ruined. More.
All this and this stalwart conservative blogger, Nadia Naffe, is hanging with “Anonymous” and Occuopy Wall Street?
Yeah I’m sure she was legit. No Moby there.
Now on to the video: in context, it wouldn’t be as bad as I thought. Still pretty stupid, but at the same time … stupid FUNNY!
If O’Keefe (or his mom or dad) later found her panties laying around, with her wireless mouse, no doubt both a little recently wetted and dried during whatever conversation she had chatting with whomever guy she just met or knew online in between begging O’Keefe to come back to her and threatning to break his computers when he resisted her demands, initially thinking better of it … I hope they were both picked up with with tongs or rubber gloves, and quickly sealed in a Ziploc bag before being thrown away so they didn’t catch anything, and also to protect themselves from the general “ickiness” of the remnants of such a girl!
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:04 amIt’s infuriating.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:20 amOnce again, a crazy woman in Boston, dormant Twitter accounts that appear to be one thing suddenly springing to life to suit another purpose, people who are pretending to be conservatives using Twitter to promote leftist ideas, Andrew Breitbart as a target and Tommy Christopher as media dupe.
This feels….familiar.
MayBee (081489) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:22 amMaybee, I don’t think Tommy Christopher is a dupe at all. I haven’t really thought so ever since I heard him on one of those internet radio shows. I can hear the lie when he talks.
There’s a reason he keeps ‘falling for’ scams that help the exact same mastermind scammers.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:24 amNadia Naffe should change her Twitter description from “frustrated conservative” to “frustrated opportunist”. Of course “frustrated attention whore” works much better, but I try to be as gentlemanly as possible on Twitter.
The only thing conservative about Nadia Naffe is how she chooses to conservatively place hair in front of her Fivehead.
John Difool (4251ee) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:43 amdid taxpayers buy
Colonel Haiku (c7fc59) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:46 amfemale contraceptives for
the Nadia Naffe?
the Nadia Naffe
Colonel Haiku (c7fc59) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:48 amworst man-made global cooling
ever to hit barn
This is blowing up Twitter, too. #war people The attack is on Andrew. O’keefe is collateral
Lee Stranahan (708cc3) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:49 amI wonder if the producers of “Wrong Turn 2” are aware that Nadia Naffe is now using their script to manufacture accusations against O’Keefe ?
John Difool (4251ee) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:52 amLee,
Ghost (6f9de7) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:08 amThis reminds me of the first piece I ever read by you: How Political Lies Are Spread On The Left.
Maybe it’s time for a part 2… Or part 2,694,586.
Has Tommy read the court transcript? He’s concerned that she hasn’t gotten her story out, but she has. In front of a judge and everything.
MayBee (081489) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:12 amThe Waters Bank story is very interesting.
But why should I be all that interested in this rape barn story? It doesn’t seem like anything actually happened. It’s all about what Nadia suggests, yet is unwilling to assert, was possibly going to happen, based on her recollection at a time when her testimony says she was intoxicated and threatening to smash computers? Not a powerful story… just kinda a sleazy tabloid assumption-fest like some of the Weinergate stuff regarding Weiner’s various ‘ladies’.
Pretty boring.
It is clear that this is about ruining Breitbart’s reputation. They were desperate to do so when he was alive, but now he’s deceased and can’t stand up for himself, asking Nadia or Tommy if they have any shame. Honestly, I didn’t see this coming. I assumed they would stop smearing the guy now that he’s no longer a threat to their ideology.
Apparently Breitbart’s foes realize the memory of Breitbart is inspiring many more folks. That’s the only motivation I can think of. It’s hard to see what Nadia gains from this. I know exactly what Tommy gains. He’s ridden the waves of attention by lending a vouching hand to liars in the past.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:16 amMaybee, I don’t think Tommy Christopher is a dupe at all. I haven’t really thought so ever since I heard him on one of those internet radio shows. I can hear the lie when he talks.
There’s a reason he keeps ‘falling for’ scams that help the exact same mastermind scammers.
If you are suggesting that he is complicit in these and/or part of the planning and execution of such plans, doesn’t that give him far more credit of smarts than he deserves? He just strikes me as rather dumb, vapid, and without the necessary cleverness it would take to be involved from the ground up. Duped appears to be more his stride.
Dana (4eca6e) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:28 amDana, I think Tommy willfully turns off his skepticism for the sake of ideology, and also is absurdly selective about what he reports.
I do not mean to say he’s planning these smears. But he’s a tool, intentionally.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:30 amIn other words, he is a bad faith player.
I don’t think he is being duped. I think he knows this is bull and he’s going along with it.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:32 amWear your shamrock bow tie, think about your Dad, and put this aside.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:35 amDustin,
Tommy has no functioning moral compass. He’s precisely the sort of person the hard left seeks out to devour and use to further the cause. Throw in all the other dupes like Schuster, Olbermann, etc., and you have an army of dolts with big mouths who manage to get the message out while simultaneously revealing their lack of ethics and dishonest nature.
Dana (4eca6e) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:40 amDRJ’s right.
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Dana, you’re right. It takes these Schusters and Tommys to get the smears out there. I refuse to accept that Tommy doesn’t know better (not that you’re disagreeing with me). The guy has experienced the most blatant life lesson for journalists I’ve ever seen. He knows better.
Taking Tommy seriously is difficult for me to do. It’s a chore that is only necessary because some people buy what he says. Breitbart was unlike many others in that he responded to those lies and smears and memes that many others skipped over… hoping people wouldn’t take creeps seriously. That’s why the creeps hate Breitbart even now.
Sucks seeing Patterico get another knife in his back. He’s the only conservative I saw reach out with friendship to Tommy.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:53 amThe conservative Diogenes.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (3db6ca) — 3/17/2012 @ 10:02 amWhat’s this about Diogenes? I’m not getting that. I know who the philosopher was.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 10:26 amYou mean Breitbart? And being very truthful?
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 10:27 amHe links it, so we know he was aware of it.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/17/2012 @ 10:53 amWore it yesterday. It would look kinda funny with a T-shirt and shorts today!
It always gets a ton of comments.
I am going to update this post with a link to the Twitchy.com post, and a couple other details, and enjoy the memory of my father and the presence of my father in law.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/17/2012 @ 10:55 amUPDATE x2: The best place to read about what made me so angry is at Twitchy.com, in a post titled Mediaite smears James O’Keefe and Andrew Breitbart. The post lays out all of the relevant context and tweets, with a link to (and extensive quotes from) my post discussing the testimony Nadia Naffe gave regarding the barn incident. Twitchy.com concludes:
Indeed. And so do I. A big problem.
I just want to add one thing. A friend of mine whom I respect greatly has tried to vouch for Nadia Naffe. Me, I don’t know what happened in the barn; all I know is what Nadia Naffe testified to . . . and it didn’t sound like a “rape plot” to me. I think it is a smear of Andrew to imply that he ignored a “rape plot” — without explaining that she told a judge she was not harassed or even touched that night in O’Keefe’s makeshift office (aka the “rape barn”).
And I also know this: my opinion of Nadia Naffe was cemented the day Andrew Breitbart died — because on that very same day, she tweeted this:
That disgusting tweet, and the company she keeps on Twitter these days (check for yourself: one of her retweets, republished by Tommy, is from someone who recently claimed to have been raided by the FBI), has me very suspicious of her motives.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/17/2012 @ 11:14 amWow! I didn’t see that tweet from her about the heart attack. That’s cold. Did she delete it?
sarainitaly (519d9b) — 3/17/2012 @ 11:40 amI can access it through a direct link but don’t see it in her stream, which is odd. So I don’t know.
Patterico (a3932e) — 3/17/2012 @ 11:44 amOh wow. I had been wondering who said what. That’s f**king disgusting.
Ghost (6f9de7) — 3/17/2012 @ 11:47 am“She claims to have all his emails. Going back 7 years.”
– Patterico
I dunno. I’ve got almost all of my substantive emails going back about five years. Lotsa storage space on college email accounts.
Totally classless remark from Naffe, though.
Leviticus (870be5) — 3/17/2012 @ 11:49 amCan you post the direct link?
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 11:55 am@ 52 Comment by sarainitaly — 3/17/2012 @ 7:28 am
I totally agree with this. This story is going to be far reaching.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:08 pmhttps://twitter.com/#!/NadiaNaffe/status/175384736020180992
Will add link to the post.
Patterico (a3932e) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:08 pmThanks.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:09 pmYeah. I see it. It’s there.
What a nasty human being Nadia Naffe is.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:11 pmI saw that tweet from her the day he died.
Isn’t it weird Tommy links to her transcript and keeps defending her by saying she deserves some time to get the story out? Does he see the date of the transcript?
MayBee (081489) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:13 pmAnyway, I have no idea what she’s up to, but Tommy seems to like to see himself as coming to the rescue of women without giving women the courtesy of acknowledging they are capable of being as deceitful as men. That’s what happened in the other case, too.
Yes. Good point.
I like young women. But I am under no illusions as to their universal honesty.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:20 pmYup. He likes to portray himself as the guy who sticks up for women and girls. Mr. Chivalry. Brings out the self-righteousness that is among his top character flaws.
Patterico (a3932e) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:20 pmAn Alpha like Breitbart doesn’t see himself as needing to kiss women’s arses (except if he feels like it in an actual sense) to get to enjoy a moment of their presence and emotional glow. He sees them as they are, good and bad.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:25 pmwithout giving women the courtesy of acknowledging they are capable of being as deceitful as men
Another man underestimating the power of women.
Another woman abusing her power and waging the real war on women.
Dana (4eca6e) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:26 pmThis is what I’m talking about.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/uploaded/naffe-tweet-3098-20120227-79.jpg
My respect for Andrew Breitbart grows by leaps and bounds.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:33 pmWe finally agree on something. Tommy’s white knighting hardcore. There are Japanese fighting fish who are less Beta than Tommy.
Ghost (6f9de7) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:44 pmShe is a liar. And Tommy Xtopher likes liars. I am having a hard time finding a difference between her and that floozie GennetteC. As MayBee notes, the way the leftists are playing this out is remarkably familiar.
JD (0e9826) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:52 pmBoobies
Tommy Xtopher’s working while black comment was baseless too, but appears that one got lost in the blizzard of asshattery.
JD (0e9826) — 3/17/2012 @ 12:54 pmthe way the leftists are playing this out is remarkably familiar.
And what’s even more remarkable to me is that they believe we won’t notice the pattern and will instead be horrified by the storyline being promoted rather than understanding what is at the root of the attack. It will apparently escape us that this is S.O.P. There’s nothing new under the leftist sun. We’ve seen it all before.
They really do think we are dumb, and yet prove themselves even more dumb by believing this.
Dana (4eca6e) — 3/17/2012 @ 1:22 pmAmen, Dana.
I survived Rape Barn 2012 and all I got was this lousy but really tight-fitting t-shirt what shows off my rack better than a lot of stuff I paid Express good money for.
Comment by happyfeet — 3/16/2012 @ 10:17 pm
Cracks me up
JD (318f81) — 3/17/2012 @ 1:33 pmIt’s amazing how the comments section consistently begins with a DING!
Icy (43e147) — 3/17/2012 @ 2:14 pmI agree with MayBee’s observation. This seems all too familiar.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/17/2012 @ 2:16 pmWise up about the friend. At best they’re stupid, at worst they’re complicit in an obvious attempt to take down James O’Keefe and destroy Breitbart’s reputation. Either way, they don’t deserve respect.
Jaynie59 (058ebb) — 3/17/2012 @ 2:16 pmGood catch, Brother Bradley #15!
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/17/2012 @ 2:18 pm“Anyway, I have no idea what she’s up to…”
She’s a semi-professional lowlife trying to cash in anyhow she can, anyway she can.
And, O’Keefe is getting exactly what he deserves for hooking up with her in the first place. Lay down with lowlife dogs, get up with fleas is the rule. Hang out with backstabbers, and eventually you’re going to get stabbed in the back.
And, if you want to be a muckraker, better use those muckraking skills to find out what kind of folks your would be associates are.
As for Christopher, I don’t feel like saying what he is, just because I’m not in the mood to let loose with a lengthy stream of obcenties right at this particular moment.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 3/17/2012 @ 2:24 pmSorry about your friend, and hope that you are OK.
Comment by carlitos — 3/16/2012 @ 10:12 pm
— someone’s just catching up
Icy (43e147) — 3/17/2012 @ 2:33 pmI dunno. I’ve got almost all of my substantive emails going back about five years. Lotsa storage space on college email accounts.
— That’s right; YOU have them. Do any of your former associates/employees also have them?
Icy (43e147) — 3/17/2012 @ 2:41 pmIf I was formulating a rape plot, AND I wanted to concoct an airtight alibi, then by all means the first thing I would do is leave the scene without raping anyone.
Icy (43e147) — 3/17/2012 @ 3:08 pmGood god, Op Ed News, they make Raw Story seem sane,
narciso (c5b8e3) — 3/17/2012 @ 3:26 pmWonkette joins in.
http://wonkette.com/467362/james-okeefe-might-possibly-have-a-problem-with-women
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 3:35 pmWonkette,shirley they can’t be seriously,
narciso (c5b8e3) — 3/17/2012 @ 3:36 pm“As for Christopher, I don’t feel like saying what he is, just because I’m not in the mood to let loose with a lengthy stream of obscenities right at this particular moment.”
Comment by Dave Surls
Let me help you… Xtopher’s a #$@@%%&*!<##$@@#&%##$ that ran down the leg of his #$@##@$$$% of a mother and rose to the top like the scum of a fetid pool.
Colonel Haiku (b3a56f) — 3/17/2012 @ 3:40 pmHaha! Yes, and make sure that any subsequent encounters have plenty of witnesses.
Ghost (6f9de7) — 3/17/2012 @ 3:40 pmFrom the article ” but maybe Patterico is not a very good lawyer?” Rut Roh!
What exactly is Wonkette? I found this article through a Google news search and it states (satire). Is that a way to avoid lawsuits or what? I didn’t find the article to be satire.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 3:40 pmleviticus saves
Colonel Haiku (b3a56f) — 3/17/2012 @ 3:43 pmnigerian promises
to make him rich man
Wonkette, is ‘vicious hive of scum and villainy’ that’s all you need to know about it.
narciso (c5b8e3) — 3/17/2012 @ 3:48 pmlevi saves emails
Leviticus (870be5) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:10 pmto preserve a record of
lost love and paid bills
wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Leviticus (870be5) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:10 pmStar Geek
Icy (43e147) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:13 pmRight.
This isn’t about Nadia having Nadia’s emails going back seven years. This is Nadia, the lady who admitted she threatened to destroy O’Keefe’s computers, noting she has O’Keefe’s emails going back seven years.
Why would someone do that? I think she probably has some of the operational brainstorming she would like to use against O’Keefe, but this is pure speculation. All I know is that this is odd behavior.
Is that what he said?
I think what actually happened here is that Nadia’s own testimony contradicts a lot of the later memes the left has been using.
For example, that Nadia was so intoxicated she threatened to smash O’Keefe’s computers if he didn’t *return to Nadia’s location*. It doesn’t sound at all like a rape plot when the supposed rapist tried hard to keep his distance and won’t come near you without a witness.
Nadia never got a drug test… I don’t see what evidence there is she was drugged.
Wonkette’s Rebecca Schoenkopf speculates that if she was drugged “it’s assault, and possibly attempted murder.” This is based on what evidence?
All Patterico said was the evidence was lacking.
The end point is that Nadia claims she was calling Breitbart… she was demanding O’Keefe come back to her location… she was not calling a cab. The idea she was held against her will is BS. The idea that she was intoxicated and no one wanted to either be alone with her or leave her somewhere where she was unsafe is probably not BS.
Wonkette’s blogger explains that drunks do not usually lose coordination… I think this is preposterous actually. And roofied ladies do not usually threaten to smash computers if their rapist doesn’t come back.
We have someone who has a history of litigation and is acting bizarre, discussing the possibility of sharing someone’s private emails with Neal Rauhauser, one of the creepiest people on the planet.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:15 pmcolonel saves emails
Colonel Haiku (b3a56f) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:17 pmfor when his mind makes promise
his body can’t fill
All that said, I barely know anything about O’Keefe (I don’t really need to know about him because he presents video evidence instead of his own claims).
I don’t know anything about this Nadia person.
Normally people don’t act like this without some sort of actual problem. I’d say I hope Nadia gets her day in court, but she already did and the case wasn’t proven to say the least.
If she actually has a serious case to make, she is definitely going about it the wrong way.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:18 pmnadia no-no
Colonel Haiku (b3a56f) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:19 pmnadia no-no don’t be
naughty eskimo
Used to be Ana Marie Cox… whom I usually disagreed with but was intelligent and sometimes pretty funny.
Nowadays she’s got nothing to do with it and the Wonkette bloggers generally are mad that Obama is way too conservative.
This is where AP journalists go to take off the mask and be foaming at the mouth insane.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:22 pm“possibly attempted murder”
that’s wonkette’s view. They aren’t just going insane trying to push a smear or anything. They would say exactly the same in this situation if this was anyone but O’Keefe. Sure. That’s what they said about Al Gore’s little incident with the masseuse, right?
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:33 pm..and speaking of normal – women who are the victims of an attempted rape don’t normally remain silent about it while coyly tweeting about some sort of implied shenanigans (as Wonkette describes it). Especially if that woman has already testified about what happened.
And again we’re back to a familiar pattern of behaviors…
Dana (4eca6e) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:34 pmWhether it’s Ana Marie Cox or Rebecca Schoenkopf, Wonkette certainly brings out the pathetic degenerate underbelly of bottom dwellers in the comment section where they seethe and snark and bite revealing their unresolved anger issues.
Dana (4eca6e) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:39 pmI agree Dana. It’s like we are missing part of the story or something.
I can’t wait to read The Rape Barn Chronicles II! She says she is armed with an A-bomb.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:39 pmThis is Nadia, the lady who admitted she threatened to destroy O’Keefe’s computers, noting she has O’Keefe’s emails going back seven years.
— Me confuzzled. Me thought she say she have Breitbart emails.
Icy (43e147) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:42 pmColonel was walking down the road when he saw a Middle Eastern looking fellow standing on a 5th floor balcony shaking a carpet.
I shouted up to him, “What’s up Hadji… won’t it start?”
Colonel Haiku (b3a56f) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:44 pmOh, I thought she was saying she had O’Keefe’s emails. The context as I understood it was she got them from his laptop because he trusted her with them, but my impression could be mistaken. One thing I’ve noticed about Neal’s friends (and Nadia Naffe is apparently one) is that they are willing to inflate what they did.
I haven’t been paying attention to her recent tweets, though. Maybe this claim has changed or been fleshed out. Honestly I am not interested in it.
Nadia claims she has an A bomb? Well I don’t care. A lot of people claim they have some big powerful thing and then go on and on and on and on and suddenly it is apparently they didn’t.
If and when Nadia explains something important and credible I guess I’ll care more about it.
I was expecting her to explain the rape barn scandal in a way that somehow was compatible with the court testimony, and found the Waters wiretap claim to be an evasion.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:46 pmGreat point. If she’s serious about this, it’s strange she’s going about it like that.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:48 pmIt is odd that not many people are talking about the Waters sting.
I think this is the biggest news to come out about all this. My reading of her blog is that Team Breitbart has the goods on Waters.
Sleestak (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 4:51 pmI’m going to agree with Sleestak. =)
Tommy writes an article and completely glosses over that a US Congresswoman might have been exposed by Breitbart.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 5:07 pmDon’t we all “have the goods” on Maxine Waters at this point? Favoritism shown to her husband’s bank, and she floats the “everybody does it” defense. Case closed: Guilty
Icy (43e147) — 3/17/2012 @ 5:36 pmShe is no doubt about as corrupt as they get.
However, a possible tape of her doing something illegal would most likely send her out of congress.
No more Ethics Committees etc.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 5:42 pmAgain I would like to express my pleasure that Nadia has admitted to lying under oath.
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 3/17/2012 @ 6:22 pmMad Maxine waters is certifiably insane.
Colonel Haiku (b203d8) — 3/17/2012 @ 6:23 pm“What exactly is Wonkette?”
It’s a synonym for cesspool.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 3/17/2012 @ 6:32 pmVery very off topic but since Pat is taking today off, I thought y’all should know. Hooray for the death of privacy!
Ghost (6f9de7) — 3/17/2012 @ 6:49 pm“A friend of mine whom I respect greatly has tried to vouch for Nadia Naffe.”
No offense, but your friend is a lousy judge of character, and anyone who would have anything to do this lowlife needs to have their head examined.
The minute she doesn’t get her way, she starts filing bogus lawsuits or criminal complaints against people that are supposedly her friends…and this ain’t the first time she’s done it either.
She’s a shakedown artist is what she is, and anyone that associates with her is basically asking for it.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 3/17/2012 @ 7:16 pmWoe, Ghost, that’s incredible.
While I for one intend not to live to see it. For other reasons, but that’s one more good one: the death of freedom via technology.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 7:43 pmThe comments at Wonkette certainly are vile. Lots of death threats, rape jokes, etc.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 7:48 pmHow about this first link here;
http://barnhardt.biz/
narciso (c5b8e3) — 3/17/2012 @ 8:37 pmSeven years worth of emails??
Now who was it that claimed to have saved all emails before?
@GNCordova @wittier @NYT_JenPreston That’s right, Gennette. We saved EVERYTHING.
JohnReid9
https://patterico.com/2011/06/22/the-owner-of-the-nikki-reid-account-speaks-out/
and laying the groundwork by claiming to have everything.
Sammy Finkelman (c74eb9) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:08 pmThis sounds more like somebody wants to forge emails than somebody who actually has them. I don’t believe it is even possible to export and/or forward past emails from GMail.
If somebody wanted to forge emails, and wants to have the freedom to make up things from different times, they might lay the groundwork early, before beginning, by claiming at the start to have all possible emails.
Sammy Finkelman (c74eb9) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:13 pmOT/ But Neal seems extra nutty tonight. I hope anyone that needs to sees this.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:18 pm>>> This sounds more like somebody wants to forge emails than somebody who actually has them. I don’t believe it is even possible to export and/or forward past emails from GMail.
It’s really easy to do. Just change Gmail to IMAP and drag and drop with an IMAP client such as Thunderbird. Have done it with GBs of email.
Not saying she did this, but it’s possible.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:30 pmOh, and any GMail tags become IMAP folders in the client, and you can just drag and drop whole folders.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/17/2012 @ 9:36 pmHoly crap, narcisso. Holy effin crap. Am I reading that executive order right? Did Obama just take control of everything?
Ghost (6f9de7) — 3/17/2012 @ 10:03 pmNadia Naffe apparently first made the claim that she called Breitbart on (or about) February 26, 2012. I don’t know if we have any response to that.
It went like this:
David Shuster said on Twitter:
This alleged rape plot by @jamesokeefeiii + silence by @andrewbreitbart proves AB is a hypocrite. bit.ly/zoCyJH
Breitbart later tweeted:
Andrew Breitbart @AndrewBreitbart
There is no ‘rape plot’ you slanderous, libelous wannabe Media Matters smear junkie. @DavidShuster @jamesokeefeiii
18 hours after that came this:
Nadia Naffe @NaidaNaffe
Now, your an expert on ‘rape plots’? I called you that night I was held in the barn to ask for help
@andrewbreitbart @DavidShuster
In reply to AndrewBreitabart
This. was Nadia Naffe (@NadiaNaffe) February 26, 2012
I think these all come from a Twitter search for “breitbart”
This almost cries for a response but Twitter does not have enough space. It would be interesting to know if Breitbart ever said anything to anyone about what if anything she had told him, if there was in fact any telephone call at all. He spoke to O’Keefe the night he died. I think Andrew Breitbart may have been in Michigan (?) or flying back at the time of her accusation that he ignored a call from her.
FireDogLake wrote on February 27:
http://my.firedoglake.com/amerigus/2012/02/27/breitbarts-no-rape-plot-tweet-irks-alleged-victim/
This is apparently the first time anywhere the public has heard her characterize her ordeal at O’Keefe’s parents house as being “held” or actually having been “in the barn”. If true, it also reveals that Naffe reached out to Breitbart for help when she was experiencing problems with O’Keefe.
Sammy Finkelman (c74eb9) — 3/17/2012 @ 10:11 pm“Holy crap, narcisso. Holy effin crap. Am I reading that executive order right? Did Obama just take control of everything?”
– Ghost
YES. HE’S MAKING HIS MOVE!!!!!!
If only we hadn’t banished our Supreme Court with five conservative Justices to the moon. WHAT WERE WE THINKING???!!
Leviticus (870be5) — 3/17/2012 @ 10:34 pmWell it does encompass his vision of things,
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/the_blacks_a_clown_show_revisited_as_an_american_tragedy.html
Ah Firehydrant lake, always unintentionally entertaining.
narciso (473003) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:58 amMARTIAL LAW? OBAMA ISSUES EXECUTIVE ORDER: ‘NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS’…
(d) “Fertilizer” means any product or combination of products that contain one or more of the elements nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium, and any recordings of President Obama’s campaign slogans and/or promises for use as a plant nutrient.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
Colonel Haiku (c8ce3b) — 3/18/2012 @ 7:00 amIs that where we sent Congress, too? Because, in case you didn’t hear pannetta, they’re irrelevant now. I do appreciate your optimistic sarcasm, believing that our country still has a system of checks and balances. It’s cute. Naive, but cute. Try paying attention, and you won’t look like such a clown.
Has the individual mandate been struck down yet? No? So, maybe sometime in the next couple years, someone might get this executive order in front of the supremes to get it struck down. Pardon me while I don’t hold my breath.
Ghost (6f9de7) — 3/18/2012 @ 8:02 am“Held” in the “barn.” Held like fricking Johnny Belinda in a barn.
How about left to sleep it off (by her own account unmolested) in a finished detached apartment with unlocked doors and a telephone, but stinking belligerent drunk?
Drunk people never seem to realize how stupid, floppy and belligerent they are, even after the fact. You can’t do anything with them really.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 9:39 amIsn’t Ms. Naffe out of Boston?
Wasn’t “Nikki’s” avatar stolen from a “Nadia” (coincidence of course, just an odd one)
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 12:10 pmNonono that was not a Nadia, so scratch that. The flickr profile was another name.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 12:48 pmRegardless, SarahW, there are a lot of similarities. Her friendship with Rowhowser. Her friendship with GennetteC. The overall plot.
JD (318f81) — 3/18/2012 @ 12:53 pmAll the chapel bells were ringing…
Mandy Nagy @Liberty_Chick
@marychastain Maybe… Right now, I need to know if anyone (anyone honest) has verified it’s her Twitter acct with her in person, not phone.
Mandy Nagy @Liberty_Chick
@NadiaNaffe @Patterico Please confirm who has verified w you in real life, face to face, that this very Twitter acct is the REAL Ms. Naffe.
Mandy Nagy @Liberty_Chick
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 12:53 pm@tommyxtopher Were you able to verify not only the acct is hers, but no one else shares it with her, and she authored every tweet herself?
On Twitter, she is providing the perfect illustration of how she takes one thing that’s been said and completely twists it into something else more threatening to her.
It’s fascinating.
MayBee (081489) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:12 pmFor the record, I don’t believe the Nadia Naffe account is run by Occupy Rebellion.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:12 pmMayBee – he disingenuous mendoucheous twatwafflery is fascinating.
JD (318f81) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:14 pmthis comment (by some random guy):
Becomes:
MayBee (081489) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:17 pmMayBee,
She appears to be one consummate manipulator. Again, were there an actual attempted rape at the Rape Barn, she would have been clear and concise in expressing just that to the authorities lest her silence give the the culprit an opportunity to harm someone else. And, had she indeed been victimized, she certainly wouldn’t be be continually chirping out tweets like she is.
None of this adds up, the painfully obvious contrivance of the entire matter speaks for itself.
Dana (4eca6e) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:18 pmPeople let you know what they are.
MayBee (081489) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:18 pmHas anyone noticed (and believe me I am no grammar nazi/just pointing it out) that she is not very proficient with things like you’re/your, their/there etc.?
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:19 pmShe is GennetteC’s sister-in-asshattery.
JD (318f81) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:26 pm==Has anyone noticed ==
Yes, Noodles. I noticed. That type of stuff is very suspect considering her purported educational credentials.
elissa (b5cd37) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:28 pmNadia Naffe ad GennetteC were always about 1/20th as bright as they assumed they were.
JD (318f81) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:31 pmElissa, agreed. It is sort of glaring in the early timeline.
It kind of seemed like a red flag that maybe, I don’t know, a journalist or someone would have noticed.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:31 pmJD – Her friendship with GennetteC.
Well now, that’s new to me.
What’s a little tragic is I asked myself facetiously ” I wonder if this chick hangs out with GC” and never looked it up, because it would have been too ridiculous.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:33 pmIs there a friendship with GenC? Are you sure about that?
I have not seen anything about that. A lot of people have compared them (which I don’t really get) but that is all I have noticed.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:39 pmI can actually buy that drunk Nadia, with the insight a belligerent drunk person usually has, and all the irrational view of her situation an amygdala with impaired function can produce – that is she read attempts to manage her drunkeness as intimidation.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:43 pmOnce again there’s SarahW with the smart comment.
Random (aa39e9) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:50 pmI wonder if Nadia could have Celiac Disease?
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 1:57 pmOn Twitter, she is providing the perfect illustration of how she takes one thing that’s been said and completely twists it into something else more threatening to her.
It’s fascinating.
Comment by MayBee — 3/18/2012 @ 1:12 pm
IOn Twitter, she is providing the perect illustration of how she takes one thing that’s been said and completely twists it into something else more threatening to her.
It’s fascinating.
Comment by MayBee — 3/18/2012 @ 1:12 pm
That “rake” example is rather astounding missed meaning. Instead of checking out invisalign adds like I would, she ends up in an S&M dungeon.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:19 pmRight?
You can see how #sleepitoffbarn might become #rapebarn
MayBee (081489) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:34 pmComment by Sarahw — 3/18/2012 @ 12:10 pm
Wasn’t “Nikki’s” avatar stolen from a “Nadia” (coincidence of course, just an odd one)
I don’t know everything about this, but I didn’t remember any Nadia and I looked and searched text of Patterico pages and others I’d saved and the name is not there nor could I find anything in Patterico about a Nadia on the Internet.
I managed to find, once I started looking for ‘avatar” a Prudence Paine link to a Dan Riehl page that said the avatar (which came late in the game, remember, after Gennette said she pointed out there was no picture of her on Twitter) had been uploaded to Flickr or taken in 2006 and the name of the girl with the dog was given as her ‘best friend”, Angela. I don’t think I ever got the name of the owner of the account. Later on, the picture was used in a Facebook account of someone in Melbourne, Australia, who went by the name of Missy Mazz. The photo was also found on “a beauty and makeup information bulletin board, in which the commenter has made only one post to the site under the name of RichWoman.”
http://prudencepaine.com/tag/nikki-reid (June 22, 2011)
So that picture wound up being used as a sort of stock photo.
The starchild111 account was originally owned by a “Jenay George” and Jenay George also had a Facebook page, and one of her favorite movie was “The Godfather” you found a message from a starchild111 on a Godfather fanboard from 2007.
https://patterico.com/2011/06/18/timing-weinergate-nikki-reid/
Comment number 234: by SarahW — 6/19/2011 @ 2:51 pm
FWIW, which is probably not much,
The Starchild111 user name appears on a Godfather (the movie) fanboard in 2007, and shows an interest in writing credits.
(No sign that it is related to the alien-abduction starchild111 that is so prolific elsewhere.)
Jenay George is Godfather fan – it’s in her favorite movie list. Though if that’s a connection, I’m as suspect as anyone.
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=579033
There’s no Nadia here anywhere that I can find or remember.
Sammy Finkelman (dfa011) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:37 pmSammy – I had to correct the nadia thing, one post down. No Nadia. The flickr account from which the avatar was stolen belonged to UAE girl with an ethnic name. Her ficticious sidekick’s avatar was stolen from some spanish? model named Claudia.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:42 pmPatterico doesn’t automatically refresh, although Recent Comments usually does, so I missed 154 retracting 153. Anyway it is interesting and I also overlooked that it was the “avatar” for a while.
Sammy Finkelman (dfa011) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:46 pmIs it my imagination or has some of Nadia’s pictures disappeared?
I am not on Twitter and Twitter does weird things when I view it but her Lockerz account seems to show that also.
Not to sound racist but there was one of a black guy with a campaign cookie/gift, idk if that was that Ali guy or not but it is interesting that it is now gone from her Twitter.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:47 pmIt might not have come from the flickr account, but from some kind of place the modeling photo was sent to.
Sammy Finkelman (dfa011) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:51 pmDo you think Weiner is the “Obama ally” Lee hinted at? Lee said he didn’t have anything to suggest NN reciprocated, which would appear to comport with the Weiner Way – unsolicited pics or remarks. He’s the obvious person to think of first, if not far from the only possibility.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:55 pmIt could be a Yfrog account linked or someone else’s photo that she was showing there but it is now gone.
It was of a black guy holding up a cookie that seemed to be a gift for after a campaign. She noted that they were delicious (as if she had had one herself).
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:56 pmSammy, the flickr account doesn’t bar the possibility of a “niddleman” avatar lifter, that’s true. The Missy Maz Australian account uses a stolen avatar. The orig picture was stolen from that flickr, first, though.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 2:58 pmSarah, the Obama Ally is Dr. John Boyd from Pigford stuff.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 3:05 pmThanks Noodles. I didn’t know it was known
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 3:06 pmLee left a comment on here about it and tweeted about it. He seems to have sent her some suggestive emails.
I think this will come out as will the Waters stuff.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 3:10 pmI think GenC and her story were suspect (I have my own theory as to why that is) but I don’t think she has anything to do with this story.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 3:20 pmThat is not to say that Weinergate is not tied to this story though at least some characters.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 3:22 pmTommy Xtopher is a twatwaffle, but I can understand and appreciate what he is doing.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 3/18/2012 @ 3:31 pmI condemn what Mumia Abu-Jamal did, but I can understand and appreciate why he did it.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 3/18/2012 @ 3:34 pmThose cookies from the victory party were yummy. RT @Ali: http://twitpic.com/zfybn – …And all I got was this stupid cookie. Haha. #MASEN
Nadia Naffe @NadiaNaffe
Really? I’ve never met you. “@ali: .@NadiaNaffe Nope. I’m the credible person. You’re the farce. Attacking me for being shocked. Revealing.”
Nadia Naffe @NadiaNaffe
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 3:53 pmAll I know about @ali is he’s a black guy who makes $ from politics. And he’s on my twitter feed. No more, no less. @ElectMarcoRubio
Nadia Naffe @NadiaNaffe
And he encourages bloggers/activists to blindly support O’keefe without knowing all the facts. @Ali = credible. Got it. @ElectMarcoRubio
Someone might want to look into this.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 3:55 pmAlso
Ali A. Akbar @ali
@NadiaNaffe That was tasteless and a serious mischaracterization. Glad I have you on the record though. See, I can be vetted, you can’t.
Nadia Naffe @NadiaNaffe
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:02 pmYou must be joking. Why would I need to vet someone I’ve never met? Ive never shared a cup of coffee with you & your giving me advice? @ali
Something is not right here.
Why can’t she be vetted? hmm
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:04 pmWait, what? What is with cookie guy @Ali? Is this fellow claiming to know her, but she denies it?
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:05 pmDoes this take us further down the rabbit hole?
https://twitter.com/#!/BryTupper/status/181501236602871808
or is it just noise
…also I would REALLY love to have been in on those alleged post sting phone calls between Maxine Waters/Karen Waters and Ms. Naffe.
Who in the media is the go to source for Waters investigation news?
Auntie Fraud (2f38aa) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:05 pmSarah, she has that photo tagged with Ali from what I think is Scott Brown’s campaign. It was taken down for a time also (that could be a glitch in Twitter though, idk).
Seems to me she knows him. He says she cannot be vetted. Very interesting.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:13 pmAuntie – I just asked TXtopher to clarify his representation that her tweets etc had been confirmed in person; that is, WHO saw and talked to her in person. TX has no answer – to anyone and not to me in particular.
If he hasn’t he better do so himself and not rely on anyone else’s representation.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:14 pmAuntie, I don’t think that takes us further down the rabbit hole necessarily. I think someone is just finally looking into her. Maybe it’s the beginning of the rabbit hole.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:16 pmOccupy Rebellion is tweeting again.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:20 pmTommy was asked about this yesterday (vetting the tweet account, etc) – he claimed it had all been confirmed “in person” but he didn’t and hasn’t said by whom.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:21 pmShe is a real person, right? So I can’t imagine this could be done without her permission. No Nadia has stepped up to say, “Hey, someone stole my good name on Twitter”.
MayBee (081489) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:23 pmComment by MayBee — 3/18/2012 @ 4:23 pm
So it would seem, Maybee. Although I suppose she could have a ghostie.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:27 pmI think I see the big picture but I don’t know a lot of the little details.
There are things even for the big picture I would like to confirm but really don’t have the know how etc.
I think the point is a journalist should have the know how etc.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:30 pmShe is a lying liar what tells lies and then files lawsuits. It all becomes abundantly clear when you approach it from that perspective. Also, if you read her testimony to the Judge, then her tweets, it is simply impossible to arrive at any conclusion other than lying liar what tells lies.
Nadia Naffae lies. And is a ghoul.
JD (318f81) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:30 pmNazghul, JD, technically they are the hooded riders of the shreeking dragons, the truth is the facts don’t matter, to them.She has gone to the Underverse
narciso (473003) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:32 pmwith the Lord Marshall.
St louis activist hub is tweeting about this? It’s like I never left twitter.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:33 pm“Nadia Naffae lies. And is a ghoul.”
JD – But would you condemn her for life? Can’t you understand and appreciate why she does what she does as a person?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:38 pmBorderline violent imagery becomes an overt threat of violence towards a person.
JD (318f81) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:38 pmSarahw – I’ve found St louis activist hub to be one of the most dishonest sites on the innertubes.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:42 pmA cell phone becomes a wiretapping device…
A beer becomes a roofie….
A guest house becomes a rape barn…
An unwillingness to drive becomes imprisonment…
A tooth joke becomes a death threat….
Truth doesn’t matter.
Amplify the meme, amplify the meme, amplify the meme.
It’s the New Alinksy rule for the 21st Century.
Auntie Fraud (2f38aa) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:48 pmCan anyone point me to original documents of her transcripts? Like ones online that weren’t provided by or copied from Patterico?
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:50 pmShe has now taken a tasteless remark, changed said remark to include a reference to hanging and beating with a rake, and is now claim that one of Patterico’s people is responsible for it.
Aggressive effin liar.
JD (318f81) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:50 pmI’m just curious if Schuster,Olbermann, or Tommy acquired them from the source.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:55 pmShe is now a Necromonger in good standing,
narciso (473003) — 3/18/2012 @ 4:55 pmCan someone please check Nadia’s Twitter pics and see if that Ali picture is there?
It is gone again and idk if it is a Twitter glitch or her removing it or if it’s switching between an old and new cache or what.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 5:26 pm@Liberty_Chick I’m somewhat convinced the Nadia Naffee twitter account isn’t really her. I know her personally.
Sean Arther @SeanArther
@BryTupper See @Liberty_Chick ‘s TL and tell her abt this! @RBPundit
Mandy Nagy Mandy Nagy @Liberty_Chick
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 5:45 pm@SeanArther @BryTupper @RBPundit This is the third person who knows Nadia in real life to say this today.
That insulty guy made fun of her teeth is all.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 5:47 pmNadia Naffe @NadiaNaffe
This account is operated by Dana Loesh. @wolfiesgirl2011 @patterico @mchblazer @stlactivisthub @tommyxtopher
Not sure what is going on here. I can guess, but hopefully we find out more soon.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:07 pmWondering why Patrick implied it was a racist tooth joke. I have a pretty high albedo for a person and also have a well-used headgear from 1976-78 hoarded away in a drawer somewhere. Teeth sticking out is an equal opportunity affliction where I come from.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:11 pmSarah- he said something like, “wiff dem teef” before he made the rake joke. THat’s the part Patterico is saying was racist.
MayBee (081489) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:14 pmNoodles Wait, what? Is that just a wise ass remark by NN? Because Dana would say that on Dana’s twitter feed first I think.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:15 pmComment by MayBee — 3/18/2012 @ 6:14 pm
Oh. Got it. Traumatic rubber band remembrance syndrome blinded me.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:18 pmI’m not sure what it means yet. It sure seems out of character (even for NN on Twitter)even if she means that wolfie account.
I do know that Tommy should be starting to worry about right now.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:19 pmI will say this. It would not surprise me if Dana was in fact running that account.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:21 pm“Is that where we sent Congress, too? Because, in case you didn’t hear pannetta, they’re irrelevant now. I do appreciate your optimistic sarcasm, believing that our country still has a system of checks and balances. It’s cute. Naive, but cute. Try paying attention, and you won’t look like such a clown.
Has the individual mandate been struck down yet? No? So, maybe sometime in the next couple years, someone might get this executive order in front of the supremes to get it struck down. Pardon me while I don’t hold my breath.”
– Ghost
Good point, except that this is basically just a latent rehash of Youngstown Sheet & Tube v. Sawyer, and we already know how that went. Setting aside the fact that these sorts of executive orders are unconstitutional bullsh*t by their form alone, business will raise hell over this particular executive order if/when Obama uses it to step on their toes. And the Supreme Court will say that it’s well-established precedent that the President can’t use his executive power to usurp legislative functions, even under the pretext of providing for the national defense.
Quit hyperventilating.
Leviticus (870be5) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:45 pmExcept this President has shown contempt for the constitution’s ‘negative liberties’ for the Court,
narciso (473003) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:49 pmfor the Congress, for the actions of our military,
Good to know you are so cavalier about this, Leviticus.
JD (318f81) — 3/18/2012 @ 6:49 pmThis is the type of reporter that ignites these memes;
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/12/07/18665941.php
narciso (473003) — 3/18/2012 @ 7:10 pmOT/ Did anyone ever find out who was joining Breitbart that was like Albert Pujols going to Anaheim?
No disrespect to Verum Serum, but I didn’t think it was them.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/18/2012 @ 7:40 pmObama is a non-entity. Don’t blame him for anything. He is the front-man for whoever really rules. Hopefully, a lot of whoevers. Eisenhower knew it too — he spent his whole Presidency playing golf. He was a bit more leash-biting than Obama. He did warn against the industrio-military complex.
nk (dec503) — 3/18/2012 @ 8:48 pmI’m sure this is hyperbole, like Negri, Guzman, Baader, et al;
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/erik-loomis-university-of-rhode-island.html
narciso (473003) — 3/18/2012 @ 8:53 pm“Wondering why Patrick implied it was a racist tooth joke.”
MayBee was exactly right. The Moby started his statement with “Wiff them teefs” and moved on from there. Started calling me Pussyrico and Asserico and generally acted like a Moby trying to rally conservatives to join in his offensive racism.
Looks like he got a couple of people to pile on me for a second, too.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/18/2012 @ 10:17 pmHe sure seems like a moby to me.
For MCH, authentic conservatism is apparently acceptance of lame jokes about a black person’s buck teeth. If you’re not cool with that, he will focus like a laser on that.
For a nadia critic he sure seemed helpful to one of her favorite points and harsh to one of her most effective critics.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/18/2012 @ 11:10 pmComment by Sarahw — 3/18/2012 @ 2:58 pm
Sammy, the flickr account doesn’t bar the possibility of a “middleman” avatar lifter, that’s true. The Missy Maz Australian account uses a stolen avatar. The orig picture was stolen from that flickr, first, though.
What I was thinking of is that maybe that wasn’t really the first, especially since that is supposed to be the photo of a model, which would have been sent all sorts of places.
There is nothing to show this is the original source. It’s merely the oldest remaining uploaded-to-the-Internet copy that could be found in June, 2011.
But the Australian photo doesn’t have to have been taken from the Flickr photo, or from a middleman avatar lifter between the Flickr photo and the Australian one, but both could come from a common source, directly, or through one or more middleman, in one or both cases.
Ultimately tracing back, not to the 2006 Flickr photo, but to something privately emailed and then sold or distributed to many, many different people, in violation of copyright, a few of whom misused it and mislabeled it.
Unless somebody knows that the Flickr picture is properly labeled and was put up by the original photographer or a person connected with model.
I don’t think “Nikki”got it from either the Australian account or the Flickr account but, more likely, some place that traces itself back to the source of both of them, and a lot of the circulation was off the Internet, only appearing on the Internet when somebody or another wanted to use a stock photo, in circumstances where they could and would use it without having the rights to it.
Sammy Finkelman (a1e8fb) — 3/19/2012 @ 12:47 amAny woman drugged by a man would suspect a rape plot. They don’t drug women to give them pedicures. Naffe’s testimony is not inconsistent with a belief she may have been drugged, hence the speculation it could have been part of a rape plot. This is reasonable if it was true she was drugged.
What is driving everyone nuts is that she did not simply say ‘I believe he drugged me’ so when the NJ reporter said she left that impression, it was picked up by others. She stopped short because she might have feared a lawsuit or felt she didn’t have sufficient evidence (a criminal proceeding could have helped her prove this if greenlighted) – or maybe she actually wasn’t sure.
When the full transcript came out, it clarified many details but did not settle whether or not she felt she was drugged. Loss of muscle control could sound like something other than alcohol. The hiding guy also creeped her out, adding to suspicion.
As speculation snowballed, she did nothing to dispel the notion she was drugged, instead making more cryptic tweets about O’Keefe, rape plots and impairment. She even said the creepy guy was there to intimidate or possibly assault her.
Everyone circled their wagons, showing the way they process claims in dispute is directly related to their bias.
Remember the guy in San Diego accused of taking part in the rape plot that O’Keefe made up? No one defended the poor sap even though he called the cops, lost his job and was defamed by deceptive editing, according to authorities. So maybe O’Keefe can use his defense motions in that case as his prosecution motions in the new case.
the ragman (a999a6) — 3/19/2012 @ 4:48 amAny woman drugged by a man would suspect a rape plot. They don’t drug women to give them pedicures. Naffe’s testimony is not inconsistent with a belief she may have been drugged, hence the speculation it could have been part of a rape plot. This is reasonable if it was true she was drugged.
What is driving everyone nuts is that she did not simply say ‘I believe he drugged me’ so when the NJ reporter said she left that impression, it was picked up by others. She stopped short because she might have feared a lawsuit or felt she didn’t have sufficient evidence (a criminal proceeding could have helped her prove this if greenlighted) – or maybe she actually wasn’t sure.
When the full transcript came out, it clarified many details but did not settle whether or not she felt she was drugged. Loss of muscle control could sound like something other than alcohol. The hiding guy also creeped her out, adding to suspicion.
As speculation snowballed, she did nothing to dispel the notion she was drugged, instead making more cryptic tweets about O’Keefe, rape plots and impairment. She even said the creepy guy was there to intimidate or possibly assault her.
Everyone circled their wagons, showing the way they process claims in dispute is directly related to their bias.
Remember the guy in San Diego accused of taking part in the rape plot that O’Keefe made up? No one defended the poor sap even though he called the cops, lost his job and was defamed by deceptive editing, according to authorities. So maybe O’Keefe can use his defense motions in that case as his prosecution motions in the new case.
the ragman (a999a6) — 3/19/2012 @ 4:48 amRagman is an apologist for lying liars.
JD (318f81) — 3/19/2012 @ 5:13 amTime for the Billy Madison clip,
narciso (473003) — 3/19/2012 @ 5:25 amPatrick my verdict on that guy is “pretty much just jerky” vs Moby.
He’s a Richmond local (boo and nay – I hope that doesnt make him ‘my guy’) who google shows has been posting under that name for many years.
I didn’t see any other comments to suggest he’s overtly racist or a Moby. He’s just your basic dimmer type of “insulty” conservative.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/19/2012 @ 6:39 amloss of muscle control could sound like something other than alcohol
This is the most ridiculous assertion ever posted on the internet.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/19/2012 @ 6:45 amCan you just look up alcohol and ataxia? Thanks.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/19/2012 @ 6:48 am“Any woman drugged by a man would suspect a rape plot.”
Yeah, and any insinuations made by semi-professional back-stabbers, or by certified liars in the lefty media, are going to be rejected out of hand by people with functional brains, unless those insinuations are backed up by hard evidence…which they’re not.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 3/19/2012 @ 7:12 amDave – those accusations are not even backed up by her own words/testimony.
JD (0e9826) — 3/19/2012 @ 7:33 amThe story here is someone was uninhibited, threatening to bash stuff, angrily insisting O’Keefe come back when he wanted to stay away, was clumsy, and blacked out… yet relies on her memory of the evening.
That sounds like alcohol. Only a selective look at this sounds like roofies… just the clumsiness and blackout.
My understanding is that this drug also produces amnesia that is hard to jive with her testimony about how she was behaving for some time after she stopped drinking. She remembers phone calls and O’Keefe’s witness and really the only time she has a memory lapse is after she’s on the train… which sounds more like falling asleep.
I’m not sure why they took a set of facts that says ‘alcohol’ clearly and then ran with this sinister image of dropping drugs in a drink. It wasn’t necessary (alcohol is a date rape drug too, after all) and it just screams ‘smear’.
But Wonkette is saying this was possible attempted murder. I guess this is the part of being Breitbart that people need to accept when considering going into that. I’ve seen a number of great people smeared viciously and relentlessly. That’s what bring Breitbart entails.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/19/2012 @ 8:23 am“Dave – those accusations are not even backed up by her own words/testimony.”
Shoot, she couldn’t even make a case for harassment under new Jersey’s absurdly lax harassment statute…
“N.J. Stat. § 2C:33-4. Harassment. (2002)”
“Except as provided in subsection e., a person commits a petty disorderly persons offense if, with purpose to harass another, he:”
“Makes, or causes to be made, a communication or communications anonymously or at extremely inconvenient hours, or in offensively coarse language, or any other manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm;”
“Subjects another to striking, kicking, shoving, or other offensive touching, or threatens to do so; or ”
“Engages in any other course of alarming conduct or of repeatedly committed acts with purpose to alarm or seriously annoy such other person.”
That idiotic law basically says that if you do anything that causes someone to be alarmed, or annoyed, or if you insult them with “coarse” language, you’re guilty of a crime.
IOW, essentially, if you piss someone off, you’re a criminal in the moronic state of New Jersey, and she and her shyster couldn’t convince a judge that even that much had happened, or that there was even probable cause to suspect that it might have happened.
And, now were supposed to take seriously dark hints about sexual assaults coming from serial backstabbers, and professional media liars, like David Shuster, who just got caught red-handed telling a bunch of whoppers, and is getting sued for doing so?
I think not.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 3/19/2012 @ 8:48 am“Remember the guy in San Diego accused of taking part in the rape plot that O’Keefe made up? No one defended the poor sap even though he called the cops, lost his job and was defamed by deceptive editing, according to authorities.”
No, but I do remember a guy in San Diego frantically trying to cover his ass, after he realized he’d been had, and had been caught red-handed on video, cooperating with people who tricked him into beliveing they were planning on smuggling minors into the United States for the purposes of prostitution.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 3/19/2012 @ 10:14 amThat’s how I remember it too, Dave. O’Keefe’s expose of ACORN was a great public service. The truth is that ACORN was a sick organization that organized communities to be cesspools of dependency and crime for sheer partisan purposes.
Now it’s basically still doing that but under branding meant to make such exposes more difficult.
Dustin (401f3a) — 3/19/2012 @ 10:23 amYou guys should read ultra-leftist Jerry Brown’s official “report” on ACORN’s colorful antics, which touch on the events in San Diego, amongst other things.
It’s full of hilarious bon mots, as the lefty attorney general dances all over the place, trying to cover up for his crooked pals in ACORN.
Here’s one of Jerry’s more amusing attempts at humor…
“ACORN was not the criminal enterprise described by O’Keefe in his “Chaos for Glory” statement –…By covering up Dale Rathke’s embezzlement, keeping him as an employee and going after board members who sought to rectify the situation, ACORN’s management damaged the organization.”–Moonbeam Brown
Don’t be confused by the fact that ACORN’s top executives were embezzling money (originally extorted from taxpayers by our wonderful government), and the rest of their management team was covering it up, Jerry Brown assures you that this is NOT a criminal organization, so you can all just relax.
Too funny.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 3/19/2012 @ 11:23 amNadia Naffe @NadiaNaffe
Joel Pollak operates this acct
Here is another weird Tweet by Nadia.
That trickster is up to no good!
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/19/2012 @ 1:19 pmNow her and Neal are working with the FBI.
How many conservatives will this take down? I’m starting to get worried.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/19/2012 @ 1:41 pmNow it’s just getting silly.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/19/2012 @ 3:13 pmI wonder why there is no injunction?
The only thing I can think of is James knows he’s screwed and wants to draw as little attention to the emails as possible.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/19/2012 @ 3:52 pmNadia Naffe @NadiaNaffe
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/19/2012 @ 4:23 pmThis account is operated by Larry O’Connor. “@daalad: @RBPundit @NadiaNaffe Watch out for @ElectMarcoRubio as well.”
It sure seems quiet. Eerily so.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/19/2012 @ 8:22 pmComment by Noodles — 3/19/2012 @ 8:22 pm
254. It sure seems quiet. Eerily so.
Everything’s almost come to a dead halt. There are no (or too few) new posts. The old threads seem to have run their course, or at least people are waiting for more information. Some threads sometimes seem to die without cause because not enough people are posting. Even the sockpuppet thread died.
We’ve had to go back to the March 4 Carbonite thread that morphed into a discussion of drugs. And let me say, the big problem is drugs that aren’t approved
There’s no real cause except lack of activity building on itself. This used to happen in BBS conferences. An active conference would just run down. Eventually, with no new callers, that happened to BBSs themselves because every computer buyer got Internet software and nobody got BBS software. And BBS software was much better. A SYSOP could move messages, into the right, (or a new) conference, for one thing. You could do text search and just collect messages that mentioned one or more key terms. And collect messages TO: or FROM: someone. Public messages, but directed at or in response to one particular poster.
We’ve been without a To: field for around 15 years now. Usenet and mailing lists never had it.
On Twitter they’ve invented the @username symbol to indicate To:
Eventually, somebody will re-invent the wheel – but it is not as good a wheel.
Here at least we can use numbers. But on relayed PCBoard conferences messages used to have numbers AND a To: field.
There’s also quoting. Here we have the possibility of using italics or some other method to set them apart But it takes a little time to do this and it can’t always be cut and pasted.
E-mail used to append the previous text to the end of the message. That is bad quoting. The point you wish to respond to should be at the top
Even on BBSs there used to be good and bad quoting.
Bad quoting is merely greater than signs like > and >> and >>> and >>>> and >> >> and >> >> >> and good quoting is somebody’s initials followed by one Greater Than sign and a space. A poster always used to have to have two names, true or false. And you would put these two initials at the start of every line you quoted (impossible now with only paragraph breaks.)
I was reading in the Weekly Standard that Andrew Breitbart got started on BBSs and Usenet newsgroups. That made me wonder, could I have anything from him?
I did find his name on a list of names from June 1996. I am not sure what that was extracted from.
“‘Andrew Breitbart'”
Sammy Finkelman (4591c3) — 3/19/2012 @ 9:28 pmWell, I am camped out here until there is an update (trust me I have a lot of other windows open =)
Theories aside, there is obviously something very very wrong with this story.
How long could it possibly take to wright an episode of Rape Barn? Part I looked like it took about 2 hours.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/19/2012 @ 9:39 pmI knew something didn’t look “write”.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/19/2012 @ 9:42 pm‘And then somehow I found myself on Barsoom’ honestly is that much more improbable than the story
narciso (473003) — 3/19/2012 @ 10:04 pmthey are trying to spin.
Comment by narciso — 3/19/2012 @ 10:04 pm
‘And then somehow I found myself on Barsoom’ honestly is that much more improbable than the story
they are trying to spin.
She needs a ghostwriter.
Both of them could adapt other people’s stories.
Sammy Finkelman (4591c3) — 3/19/2012 @ 11:09 pmHow did I lose that line? How did it fall into the bit bucket?
“Robert A. Heinlein would have been good, but now maybe the best you can get is Robert Silverberg.”
Seriously, what’s probably holding it up is not her inability to imagine something, but indecision as to what to say. It has to mesh with reality, somewhat, and with what else she said. And also the longer you wait the more ideas you can get.
While she’s doing this everybody uses their own imagination and the pieces don’t have to fit. But she can only hint at things for so long. .
The big question is why is she doing this thing, and aat whose behest.
If it is going to make sense in the end, well, we can take a look at what she says. Right now there’s nothing there but vague hints. Maybe it will stop with that..
Sammy Finkelman (4591c3) — 3/19/2012 @ 11:23 pmSammy,
I put some of your quotes in moderation on occasion because of the length of the quotes.
Give us a link and a couple of paragraphs, OK? Copyright.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/19/2012 @ 11:44 pmSince I only followed the Weiner/Dan Wolfe/Reids/whoever story sporadically, was there ever any kind of resolution to it? People have been alluding to the story here, but was there ever any solid facts to come out on it?
radar (3a664a) — 3/20/2012 @ 6:50 amRadar – GennetteC is a lying liar. Fact.
JD (0e9826) — 3/20/2012 @ 7:06 am262. I think people gave up. We still don’t know who John Reid or Dan Wolfe were or a lot of what happened.I think later on some other incident will provide a clue or explanation.
I am not sure if it can be proven somebody was spying on Anthony Weiner. Dan Wolfe probably knew too much too soon – but was mistaken as to what Anthony Weiner was up to. He didn’t have a mistress. He just couldn’t stop going after them, but he could only keep them on standby. Nikki was trying to befriend jilted mistresses and Dan Wiolfe was tryuing to get them jilted. She became 17 toi befriend ETHEL. The goal was to get ppictures from a mistress. Not clear who was behind it all – it could have been someone associated with mayoral hopeful Controller John Liu I think, who now may be fortunate just to serve out his term.
I think Weiner sent the photo himself – by accident – by uploading it to Yfrog.
I came up with a timeline (that used somebody else’s timeline as a start) that I never posted.
The last I read Anthony Weiner is playing semi-professional hockey and living in Manhattan in a secret location – probably in the same building where Chelsea Clinton lives because the Clintons probably found apartments for both of them. It’s somewhere around Gramercy Park and the Flatiron Building.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/fashion/hey-isnt-that-weiner.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/fashion/anthony-d-weiner-hiding-in-plain-sight.html?pagewanted=all
He was overheard at one party joking that he had told various people different locations “to see if they were leaking to the press,” said someone who was there but did not want to be identified. (The New York Post reported in September that the couple were living in Greenwich Village, but Risa Heller, a spokeswoman for Mr. Weiner, denied that report. She declined to elaborate.)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/20/2012 @ 1:44 pmThe special election in the 9th Congressional District was won by the Republican Bob Turner, against Democrat David Weprin. His distruct was eliminated in the Congressional districting ordered by a judge that became final yesterday.
Large parts of the district have been absorbed in 3 Congressional districts now represented by black incumbents – including the one that lost the most people. Another portion went to creating a new district in Queens that is part Asian, which Gary Ackerman was planning on running in although now he decided he’d rather retire. Some of the distruct was added to the Staten Island district now represented by Michael Grimm. Although Staten Island gained some population, the district had to expand more into Brooklyn.
The district that combined a long zigzagging string in Brooklyn with the west side of Manhattan and Lower Manhattan (represented by Jerrold Nadler) that has existed for 20 years continues to exists although Brighton Beach and western Coney Island are now in Edoolphus Towns’ district. All 3 (and a fraction) Manhattan districts were preserved although has only enough people for 2.
Last week Turner decided to run for the U.S. Senate after saying he’d run whereever his home was in. He would have been thrown into a 55% black distruict now represented by Gary Meeks (which was predictable actually if the distruict was cannabalized)
Turner announced 3 days before the Republican convention. A candidate needed 25% to get on the ballot without petitions. Three candidates qualified – one just below 50% and two just above 25% Turner was third not even a percentage point above 25%. Maybe the split was arranged.
There will be a separate primary just for federal offices (House and Senate) in June. This is because there is a law which has been evaded until nbow that requires military ballots to be mailed noo later than 45 days before the election – but the requirement only applies to federal offices. If the primary had been held on September 11 – it looks like they are not going to move – in 2007 they moved it to September 18 – not enough time would be allowed for the winners to be determined.
The state legislators did not want to move their own primary back to August or June – or they couldn’t agree on August or June – so there will be two primaries this year.
There is also a Presidential primary in April, making 4 elections this year with the November election.
Today there is a special election in a State Senate district that overlaps somewhat in Brooklyn. So that’s five. Today is also the first dfay for circulating petitions for the Coongressional races.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/20/2012 @ 1:45 pmSlammin’ Sammy listens good.
Icy (927b00) — 3/20/2012 @ 2:03 pmTwo videos on this page:
http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/2012/01/video-fidler-says-opponent-has-ties-to-white-supremacists/
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/20/2012 @ 2:30 pmClose election tonight:
http://www.politicker.com/2012/03/20/lew-fidler-david-storobin-declare-victory/
They may actually need to count every vote, and we’ll see.
I somehow heard that they thought it was going to be close. A lot of things I didn’t hear and some things I read didn’t get into some articles.
It’s only been covered in secondary and tertiary and fourth rank media, but there seems to be a lot of it actually. There actually was a debate and two scheduled ones that didn’t happen,which I didn’t know anything about until Monday night to Tuesday. I almost don’t know how I found this article- this website as a matter of fact. (Well, it came from a blog)
Sammy Finkelman (fac2c6) — 3/21/2012 @ 12:30 amThe campaigns can’t even agree on basic facts on things that happened on Election Day.
Did some Storobin supporter in a car knock over a Fidler volunteer and take his literature, twice maybe (two different incidents), or was the whole thing even made up? Was Storobin himself electioneering at the polls, even at the polling place where and when Fidler voted? Was he even ejected in one place by police, or did nothing of the sort happen, as Storobin’s spokesman says, saying he was there personally and the visit was uneventful??
http://www.cityandstateny.com/election-day-craziness-storobin-fidler-race/
Sammy Finkelman (fac2c6) — 3/21/2012 @ 12:48 am“No, but I do remember a guy in San Diego frantically trying to cover his ass, after he realized he’d been had, and had been caught red-handed on video, cooperating with people who tricked him into beliveing they were planning on smuggling minors into the United States for the purposes of prostitution.”
So a woman who told the cops she lost muscle control while drinking with O’Keefe is definitely lying. But then when O’Keefe publicly accuses an ACORN worker of cooperating in a rape conspiracy, you applaud.
Let’s delve into the similarities and differences as we explore our innermost morality.
You can’t get “caught” by a civilian with a hidden camera pretending to be a lawbreaker looking for accomplices.
Only law enforcement with judicial approval can do sting operations. Pretending to be a rapist human trafficker and taking up the time of operating businesses might even be considered criminal mischief if the law was cracking down. We know it has cost taxpayers, with all the investigations and court costs associated with O’Keefe’s made-up rape plots.
By the way, Borat didn’t claim he was going to rape and traffic children, so it’s a completely different first amendment application.
Among other reasons, criminality intimidates people – respondents could be doing or saying anything to humor the lawbreaker out of fear of reprisal. In San Diego, Vera got a phone number and called the cops to report the lawbreaking. What else was he supposed to do in your eyes? Please elaborate.
Its lame the way you defend O’Keefe two different ways as he finds himself on both sides of potential rape allegations, accuser and accused – you must know this calls your credibility into question. We could observe due process and reserve final judgment, but you are taking a side ahead of a full hearing of the facts. Then, amazingly, you’ll change to the opposite position – depending on who the accuser is.
Your demonization of Vera stems exclusively from the fact that he worked for ACORN. Your refusal to consider Naffe was drugged stems from your protectiveness of O’Keefe. Bias clouds moral judgments.
I really don’t know if Naffe is lying about believing she was drugged, or if she is letting this go on for effect. So far, the story to me is that O’Keefe’s trusted confidante has turned on him in a serious and embarrassing way. The rest has yet to play out.
Check your internal compass – St. Peter might ask you about this one fateful day. Taking a side prematurely in a dispute like this could intimidate women in the future from coming forward, or low-level workers from standing up when falsely accused. In any case, we need those without money, supporters or media outlets to have a level playing field against those with clout in the pursuit of truth and justice because we all have to answer to our Creator.
the ragman (555207) — 3/21/2012 @ 12:31 pmWhy not?
O’Keefe did pretend to be a lawbreaker and found many ACORN accomplices all across the country willing to organize our communities into child pimp tax evading cesspools.
Has she specifically claimed she was? You know date rape drugs like roofies are highly testable, right? Anyone who was date raped by that means should get a blood test and go to the police instead of warn they have your private emails as wikileaks retweets apparent blackmail.
That’s true and fair. But much of the current smear is contradicted by Nadia’s sworn testimony. Are you familiar with this testimony?
Dustin (9538d2) — 3/21/2012 @ 12:47 pmRagman – the amount if strawmen, baseless accusations, and unfounded assumptions in that wall of gibberish is astounding.
JD (d6f57e) — 3/21/2012 @ 1:28 pmMr. Ragman, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 1:43 pmJD’s replies give you the seriousness you deserve, but this one really bugs me.
Rape victims should not act like Nadia is with bizarre comments about Breitbart’s demise. They should instead get an examination and go to the police. If they are under oath, they should be honest… which means they should be totally consistent.
And those who are willing to evoke false rape accusations are doing a tremendous amount of damage to those who need credibility when they offer honest accusations.
I am not ‘intimidating women from coming forward’. In fact, she was demanding O’Keefe return, on pain of smashing stuff, which sounds so unlike roofies I think the suggestion is a knowing lie.
Dustin (9538d2) — 3/21/2012 @ 1:50 pmIn short, Ragman, you are a f@cking liar. A dumb clumsy verbose liar.
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 1:53 pmNadia Naffe @NadiaNaffe
My response to O’keefe’s lawsuit is to post everything online. Tonight. If he wants a fight, bring it on. This is #WAR. @ElectMarcoRubio
Fasten your safety belts.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:14 pmNoodles – Sounds like she is going whole hog with her asshattery.
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:17 pmMaybe. Maybe not.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:19 pmThat she’s still palling around with the moby “electmarcorubio” crap shows she has zero self awareness. Though to be perfectly honest I am under the impression they are the same person (and not actually Nadia). This is a very bizarre case.
I do hope the truth comes out, but it’s hard to see how to give Nadia the benefit of the doubt at this point.
Dustin (9538d2) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:21 pmI think she’s bringing #WAR
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:24 pmShe is retweeting MMFA, palling around with Rowhowser, and that lying Moby. She was RT ronbrin yesterday.
TELL US ABOUT THE RAPEBARN NADIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:24 pmLet’s see if we can make #rapebarn trending
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:25 pmlol JD
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:26 pmI would bet money that what Rowhowser and his buddies were referencing is complete BS.
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:27 pmDon’t get me wrong. These creeps can bring real war. I don’t underestimate that for a second. They scare the crap out of me even though I don’t think I’m more than a blip on their radar. I feel no shame in saying so.
But they are full of crap. They might harm folks and screw folks and smear folks, but they are full of crap.
Dustin (9538d2) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:27 pmI think she’s bringing Breitbart’s #WAR
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:29 pmohhh, that’s right. I totally forgot that theory.
Hope springs eternal. I disagree, but if you’re right, you shall have the props.
Dustin (9538d2) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:34 pmI could be wrong, but I have only doubted it for a few hours (when Lee came in out of nowhere).
If I am, she is a total fruit loop committing career suicide and is going to be bogged down in lawsuits for years to come.
None of this makes any sense to me if not through that prism.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:39 pmI am going with fruit loop.
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 5:45 pmTotal fruit loop
Aggressive liar
Mendoucheous twatwaffle
I will be happy to be proven wrong.
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 6:14 pmIt’s hard for me to even worry too much about Nadia’s story. There’s apparently almost nothing backing it up but the mere vague suggestions from someone who already contradicted most of them.
Dustin (9538d2) — 3/21/2012 @ 6:25 pmShe let herself be absorbed into the nutroots collective, that’s kind of sad.
narciso (35ae48) — 3/21/2012 @ 6:27 pmDrunk girl was mad. It’s an old story.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/21/2012 @ 6:35 pmPeople have been known to join groups they don’t agree with. Some do it because they change their minds or because of peer pressure. I suppose intimidation could also be a factor.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/21/2012 @ 6:38 pmWe at least read the story. Our media betters apparently didn’t waste their time.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/21/2012 @ 6:39 pmNadia Naffe @NadiaNaffe
“Part 2: The Barn Incident” posted at http://NadiaNaffe.com + links to Izzy Santa’s Sexual Harassment Settlement/Demand Letter
Nothing there yet that I see.
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/21/2012 @ 8:32 pmNadia lies, noodles. Apparently even about simple stuff.
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 8:40 pmI can hardly wait ’til the backstabbing skank “tells all”.
Oughta be good for a laugh.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 3/21/2012 @ 10:23 pm#drunkbarn
MayBee (081489) — 3/21/2012 @ 10:29 pm#roofiesbarn
JD (516dcc) — 3/21/2012 @ 10:42 pmI tried to incorporate Rape Barn with other famous sequels.
Back to the Rape Barn part II
The Rape Barn Strikes Back
Live Free or Rape Barn
Rape Barn 2: Judgement Day
The Lost World: Rape Barn
Harold & Kumar Escape from Rape Barn
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/21/2012 @ 10:58 pmOk, so I read her account. Drunk girl was mad. It’s an old story.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/22/2012 @ 6:39 amNow I can understand Patrick, being from California and not all that familiar with dialect-mocking common to my area, would be certain that “them Teefs” was mocking black dialect instead of just being a construction from hicksville (employed in either a self-deprecating way to to imply one’s own hickness or to mock another’s no-account status).
Google Richmond Redneck “teefs” if you should doubt me.
could also understand Ms Harvard not quite being familiar with non-racial application of “teefs” used by insulty guy though she also twisted a cruel remark about her overjetting incisors into sexual bondage.
However, “dirty” and “filthy” as “code words” – that’s new to ME. If she means racial code words my response is wt?????????. That’s so overblown, that with her demonstrated tendency to overblow, I wouldn’t wonder if filfthy and dirty were used in a literal sense. Sloppy drunks are sloppy. Maybe she was messing and left her empties strewn about.
Sarahw (b0e533) — 3/22/2012 @ 7:08 amI have a thread up on Nadia’s account of the barn incident here.
Patterico (feda6b) — 3/22/2012 @ 7:26 amRape Barn 2: Electric Boogaloo
Noodles (3681c4) — 3/22/2012 @ 3:19 pm