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2/5/2012

Does Mitt need Newt?

Filed under: 2012 Election — Karl @ 8:28 am

[Posted by Karl]

Anyone who thought Newt Gingrich might go gently into that good night after an apparent shellacking by Mitt Romney in Nevada was mistaken, to put it mildly:

He said he expects to be at parity with Romney by the April 3 Texas primary and “we will go to Tampa,” site of the GOP convention this summer.

Nor is Gingrich going to fulfill what’s no doubt another Romney fantasy — going positive. There had been reports suggesting he would, until Gingrich cleared that up at the caucus night press conference he held in Las Vegas instead of a rally. “I stayed relentlessly positive in Iowa and I lost 22 points,” he said.

The dismissal of the good-cheer strategy came amid the customary Gingrich assault on Romney and President Obama. He labeled them “George Soros-approved candidates” and added for good measure that Romney was “pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-tax increase,” a lousy job creator, indifferent toward the poor, and a purveyor of falsehoods. As for Obama, his administration has declared war on religion, Gingrich said, and is pursuing a “radical secular ideology.”

Newt mapped out a detailed strategy that would keep him in the presidential race all the way to the Republican convention, based on how delegates will be awarded in each of the upcoming states.  And it appears that Sheldon Adelson will keep funding a pro-Gingrich SuperPAC, even as he signals he will provide even more generous support to Romney if he becomes the Republican nominee.

Gingrich paints this as his refusal to fulfill Romney’s fantasies.  But I wonder about that.

After all, if Newt dropped out, media coverage of the GOP nomination campaign would drop, probably precipitously.  Mitt is not helped by Newt’s attacks from the left.  But Newt’s attacks from the right provide Mitt with an opportunity to not only try harder to sell himself to the conservative base of the GOP, but also subtextually suggest to mushy, unafilliated voters that Romney is not the extremist Democrats will try to portray should Mitt win the nomination. (Yes, that attack makes no sesnse to conservatives, but which GOP nominee has not been attacked as an extremist by the Dems?)

Moreover, regardless of what Newt does, Ron Paul is not going away.  Paul will continue to amass delegates in hopes of influencing the platform and getting the most high-profile speaking slot he can negotiate at the convention.  If Newt dropped out, the media narrative would inevitably devolve into a Romney-Paul discussion, likely funneling more votes and delegates to Paul.  Should Romney win the nomination, it might be further useful to him to be accomodating “demands” from a second-place Newt on issues like Obamacare than having a media narrative of the GOP convention about struggles over defense cuts, drug legalization and the gold standard.

In short, Newt continuing his campaign may not be a “You know who this benefits?” situation… but it’s not clear that a Newtless campaign benefits Romney, either.

–Karl

190 Responses to “Does Mitt need Newt?”

  1. Ding!

    Karl (8cdbad)

  2. jmartpolitico “I think he’s digressed taking a second-rate campaign into a first-rate vendetta.” – Armey on Newt this am on CNN (via Score)

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  3. Gingrich seems to be in a meltdown mode. Not sure it benefits anybody.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  4. Victor Davis Hanson says Gingrich’s story is a “litany of excuses, whining, and accusations”.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  5. Projection much?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  6. BIGOTRY WILL SLIP OUT: CNN’s John King calls Romney, ‘Governor Mormon.’

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/136637/

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  7. _______________________________________________

    But Newt’s attacks from the right provide Mitt with an opportunity to not only try harder to sell himself to the conservative base of the GOP

    I’d give Gingrich some leeway on this if he truly were of the right—and not mainly a squish with a big ego. But it’s actually just a competition between a shape shifter whose ego is probably a bit larger than that of Romney’s, with his own chameleon-like characteristics.

    The problem with both of them is they have liberal biases — which most people have — but they’re not willing to understand that to a great enough degree and work to either reform or discard those qualities at crucial moments.

    Mark (31bbb6)

  8. ______________________________________________

    CNN’s John King calls Romney, ‘Governor Mormon.’

    As opposed to the guy now in the White House, or President “Goddamn America.”

    Mark (31bbb6)

  9. Let’s not be too quick to play the bigotry card like a certain political party is wont to do. After looking at the video, I can reasonably suppose how King might have made a innocuous slip of the tongue.

    King was discussing the religious affiliations of the voters. He was in front of a monitor with photos of Romney, with various religious denominations listed on top, including Mormon, the first denomination he discussed. King could simply have read “Mormon” where it was displayed above Romney’s photo, because normally the person’s name would have been there.

    Is there any independent evidence that King is anti-Mormon?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (05f54f)

  10. Romney and Mitt are both pathetic squishes.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  11. That was Glenn Reynolds description, Bro Bradley.

    I await King or one of the other un-biased media-flounders’ next flub: “President Food Stamp”.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  12. “Newt’s failure is part of a larger failure: the infantilism of the 1960s generation. In his narcissism, impulsiveness and deviancy, Newt is at one with the Clintons. Mitt — and for that matter, [Rick] Santorum — are just the opposite. They are straight arrows and duty-bound. They would not be a riot of scandals in the White House, but is it not about time that we leave the scandals to Hollywood?

    This country is facing its worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. President Obama offers us what Romney calls crony capitalism. Romney is right, and crony capitalism means more Solyndras. Congressman Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, has served up a budget to cure the nation’s ills and head us on a course that will not end like Greece has ended.

    Romney is not far from the Ryan budget, and he can move even closer. Newt can be forgotten.”

    http://www.creators.com/opinion/r-emmett-tyrrell.html

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  13. Col Haiku,
    I just read that description on Insty a minute ago .. good to have the context.

    I like Reynolds, but hasn’t society gone too far declaring people bigots on scanty evidence, or politically convenient charges?

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (c7daff)

  14. I don’t necessarily agree that it’s bigotry, per se, but I also wouldn’t dismiss it as being an understandable mistake. We didn’t see Wolf Blitzer correct him, either.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  15. Col. Haiku,

    Reading more about Gingrich convinces me he doesn’t have a good grasp of what Reagan did, or why.

    In an interview with Coffee & Markets, Gingrich said that Republicans should not “impose” solutions that are “very, very unpopular.” Ronald Reagan, he noted, “ran to be a popular president, not to maximize suicide.”

    In order to “govern over the long run,” leaders need “the American people [to] think you’re doing a good job and think you’re doing what they want,” he continued.

    Ryan, in an interview with National Review Online, says that he disagrees with Gingrich, and urges Republicans to confront fiscal problems, irrespective of political risk. Worrying about electoral “suicide,” he says, is a disservice to voters, “who don’t want to be pandered to like children.”

    If Gingrich really thinks Reagan ran for president to be popular, I want whatever controlled substance he’s been taking.

    Reagan’s objective was to fix the country first. And if he was successful, the public would see the benefits and popularity would follow. That’s how a leader governs. Reagan’s program lost him a lot of popularity at first, as shown in the 1982 mid-terms. But as his program took hold, the nation saw the benefits.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (c7daff)

  16. _____________________________________________

    Gingrich said that Republicans should
    not “impose” solutions that are “very, very unpopular.”

    He at least shouldn’t foster that which he perceives as “unpopular” by, for example, sniping at cultural conservatives, as he did several months ago. But that’s just another illustration of how much squish is in that brain of his. IOW, even if he subscribes to the idea of “it’s the economy, stupid!,” he’s allowing his left-leaning biases to get the better of him by downplaying the importance of a culture in nurturing a good economy. Namely two-income, two-parent households that encourage good, sane children instead of that which breeds dysfunction and financial flakiness galore.

    Mark (31bbb6)

  17. Bro. Bradley, Newt is a very smart man, but he’s lost his edge and perhaps his instincts, as well. If this campaign season ends up being the swan song of his career, things will end on a very sad note.

    “Newt Gingrich’s week started out badly for him with a crushing loss in the Nevada caucuses that was followed by a press conference in which the former speaker demonstrated anew that his candidacy is driven as much by personal hatred of frontrunner Mitt Romney as it is by his own ambition. But things got worse for him today with the release of fresh polling data in two of the states to hold caucuses on Tuesday. Public Policy Polling’s latest findings on the caucuses in Colorado and Minnesota show him trailing not only Romney but also Rick Santorum.

    In Colorado, Romney is poised for another big win, with PPP showing him leading with 40 percent of the vote. But rather than Gingrich, it is Rick Santorum who is in second place there with 26 percent. Gingrich is in third with 18 percent while Ron Paul is in last with 12 percent…”

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/02/05/gingrich-santorum-romney-colorado-minnesota/#more-782799

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  18. Newt, do not ask for whom the bell tolls…

    John Donne (1572-1631), Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions

    Perchance he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not

    ropelight (2a594a)

  19. We didn’t see Wolf Blitzer correct him, either.

    – Nor, apparently, did the director correct him in his earpiece, else he would have said something. Freudian slip? Sure . . . but a telling one.

    Icy (d2cb23)

  20. This one is for Chief Conspiracy Theorist Kev M, who wondered if Romney hadn’t “stack[ed] the Caucus”…

    LDS voters make up 26% of the caucus votes. Even without the LDS votes, Mitt Romney still would have won decisively (by 17 points).

    While Mitt Romney won a majority of the LDS vote, he won among Protestants, Catholics and everybody else by wide margins.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  21. Nor, apparently, did the director correct him in his earpiece, else he would have said something. Freudian slip? Sure . . . but a telling one.

    Excellent point, Icy.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  22. The overall turnout number is down, which shows ‘the beatings aren’t improving morale’

    narciso (87e966)

  23. sanity is considered ‘far right’ nowadays;

    http://news.yahoo.com/clock-ticks-greeces-bailout-deadline-005638924.html

    narciso (87e966)

  24. In Tom Coburn’s 2003 book, which I just read, he recounts being scolded by Speaker Gingrich as “you conservatives” and “the perfectionist caucus” when some Congressmen opposed Ginghich’s deals with Clinton. Interesting reading.

    Mike K (326cba)

  25. Is there any independent evidence that King is anti-Mormon?

    Only his Platinum Card membership in the MSM!

    AD-RtR/OS! (2918a8)

  26. Funny that we ended up with ‘Stay Puff Marshmallow Man’ when he left,

    narciso (87e966)

  27. Newt, as Speaker, became the face of the GOP on The Hill, much more than was Bob Dole, who he had previously denigrated (quite rightly IMO) as the “Tax Collector for the Welfare State”.
    As that leader, he as much as others, became exasperated by the purity message put forth by the Libertarian Lobby, where “Perfect was (and is) the enemy of the Good”, and quite rightly called them out on it – after all, he (and Dick Armey) were the ones who crafted a message that brought the GOP back in control of The Hill (and The House after a 40-year drought), and led them to the first GOP consecutive term control since 1928. We have yet to see a “Libertarian” elected to anything other than a local office, which must be a telling demonstration of their overall political strength and dynamism.

    AD-RtR/OS! (2918a8)

  28. Deep core analysis, the other red meat.

    Neuter is in ABR mode and to that degree TEAs will hold him in warm regard even where they fail to coalesce behind him–for myriad reasons.

    Paoulus should he get his kid in as VP and himself as Secretary of the Treasury might accomplish something.

    Not likely. McBain might be free to barter away VP but his is a short leash, Seamus’ revenge.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  29. Yep AD-RTR/OS!

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  30. Actually we still do not know the Nevada results since 30% (including half of Las Vegas including Clark County) have not been reported. This is big Romney country. When the first half of Clark County came in Mitt moved from 42-48. I suspect the second half (should they ever get it finished!) could move him above 50. The exit polls suggest that also. More interesting however is if it will give Paul or Gingrich second.

    bio mom (c82c6c)

  31. I like positive Newt a lot. I am getting tired of defending some of the things negative Newt says.

    Newt is really very good at ideas, solutions and thinking outside the box, but as a negative campaigner he’s pretty awful. Pretty much the dead opposite of Obama there. Or Romney for that matter.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  32. Karl,

    What a confused mess of wishful thinking! Karl Rove understood the political benefit of energizing the evangelical vote, millions of whom sat out the 2000 election. It is precisely this insight that helped Bush Jr. achieve a second term victory. The ongoing presence of not only Newt, but also Santorum, is very bad news for Romney and moderate Republicans. The longer voters on the right are reminded that Romney isn’t one of them – and the shorter the time period these voters have to let bygones be bygones with Romney – the weaker conservative turnout for Romney will be in the fall. The fact that Newt is particularly good at speaking to the hearts of conservative listeners, as so clearly demonstrated by his performances in South Carolina, strongly suggests that by the time the primary season draws to a close, the Romney well will be so completely poisoned that the man with the delegates will already be viewed as unelectable. Like it or not, if Newt goes down swinging, a sizeable portion of the conservative Republican vote simply will not turn out for Romney.

    For a conservative with a long-term perspective, this is not such bad news. The worst news in it is that conservative voters who stay home are not voting for conservative candidates farther down the ballot. The good news is that a Romney nomination will put the lie to claims that RINOs like Romney are electable (as if the experience of the last election cycle wasn’t enough). A crushing loss by Romney to Obama will make financial deep pockets in the Republican Party think twice about sinking big bucks into other RINOs come the next election cycle. Moreover, it will make “conservative” pundits who have closed ranks behind Romney look like fools. Finally, it will, after four more years of Obama, deepen the commitment of Tea Party types both in their opposition to Democrats, but also to the moderate wing of the Republican Party. It will even make moderate Republicans think twice about nominating another Romney. And if all this isn’t enough, I think we can count on another round primary challenges by Tea Party approved candidates to sitting Republicans in the House and Senate in 2014. A Romney nomination portends much, though none of it in the short-term interest of conservatives.

    Yours truly,

    ThOR

    ThOR (94646f)

  33. Sorry for the things I said.

    Anyways if Romney loses to Obama despite the conservatives voting for him do not pitckfork us.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  34. I’m interested in GOP voter turnout in Nevada. Was turnout up as it was in South Carolina or down as in Florida?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  35. Yes because tea partyers give to PP.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  36. 24. Don’t hate me for thinking Coburn is a poseur:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/289249/when-gingrich-tried-and-failed-intimidate-tom-coburn

    Lindsey Graham is your ringleader, Steve Largent spokesmodel for a faction voting with the Donks in fealty to the Contract with America.

    You lie.

    Obviously he elided at least one adjective Newt used to modify the sort of “conservative” Tom be.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  37. re: post 28… jacobson is/has been a johnny-one-note for some time now and the comments – in some cases – are downright borderline moronic.

    But it’s heartening to see retire05 trying to talk some sense to the senseless.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  38. /Assploding Sarc obviously

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  39. 35. Theda Skocpol an American sociologist and political scientist at Harvard University. She served from 2005 to 2007 as Dean of the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences.

    Well, she must know whereof she speaks.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  40. According to Wikipedia, Skocpol developed the Marxist comparative theory of revolutions.

    Later, Vladimir I. Lenin (1870-1924), leader of the Russian revolution, made several influential contributions to Marxist theory. In recent years Marxist theory has taken a great variety of forms, notably the world-systems theory proposed by Immanuel Wallerstein (1974, 1980) and the comparative theory of revolutions put forward by Theda Skocpol (1980). Marxist ideas have also served as a starting point for many of the modern feminist theorists. Despite these applications, Marxism of any variety is still a minority position among American sociologists.

    Obviously irrelevant to her views on the Tea Party, according to WaPo.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (9d2414)

  41. Some of the vilest examples of religious bigotry in action this side of Minnesota in some of the comments at Legal Insurrection… and God bless retire05 and some others for highlighting that.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  42. 39. No worshipper of Ivy League law profs I, Jacobsons gurglings in his sleep are more significant than your deepest insights.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  43. 36. Looking but little joy on that quest.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  44. re: 44… So… where would that leave you, gulrud?

    Merely a rhetorical question…

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  45. SHUT UP!!!

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  46. Ahhhhhhhhhh yes criticize Romney and it’s anti-mormon bigotry here’s hoping retire05′s romney shrine collapses.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  47. 58. The like/dislike counter for the comment retire05 stood up to in righteous indignation is running 15:1 for.

    The same measure for retire05′s effort itself is like 1:5 on half the votes.

    Ghandi stood alone too.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  48. DRJ, initial reports from NV say that participation was down from ’08 IIRC.
    Some of that could be explained by the economy forcing many to relocate out of Clark/Washoe Co’s to states with jobs such as that mythical place known as South Oklahoma, and South Alberta.

    AD-RtR/OS! (2918a8)

  49. Newt and Santorum make Mr. Governor Romney look shiny like the future – cause they’re like 80s ladies – there ain’t been much these ladies ain’t tried

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  50. He doesn’t admit the lie about Newt, and the ethic fine, or Abrams false statements, but then again
    that isn’t a bug about the latter is it. Bain Capital does not represent the be and end all of
    finance capital.

    narciso (87e966)

  51. Also I don’t care about the tenets of Mormonism, but don’t pretend the muddle will be so charitable.

    narciso (87e966)

  52. Neither do I narrciso.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  53. I think we have had enough state primaries to have a representative sample. Romney is still the cautious moderate and Newt’s campaign is a microcosm of his political career. He had two signature achievements:

    1) doing an excellent job of being a backbench bombthrower but this time John King stood in for the Tip ONeil role.

    2) doing a very poor job as Speaker when he was unorganized and self-absorbed, which is pretty much what we seeing from him as a candidate right now.

    I’ve always liked Newt but never seen him as Presidential material. This campaign has just confirmed my opinion.

    Kaisersoze (298188)

  54. DRJ, initial reports from NV say that participation was down from ’08 IIRC.
    Some of that could be explained by the economy forcing many to relocate out of Clark/Washoe Co’s to states with jobs such as that mythical place known as South Oklahoma, and South Alberta.

    Comment by AD-RtR/OS!

    I remember reading that there was something else on the Nevada ballot in 2008, but can’t remember what it was.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  55. We are talking about participation in the GOP caucus here, Col.
    You remember: McCain v. Romney?
    Tiresome.

    AD-RtR/OS! (2918a8)

  56. Ahhhhhhhhhh yes criticize Romney and it’s anti-mormon bigotry here’s hoping retire05′s romney shrine collapses.

    Comment by Dohbiden

    I don’t know why I bother, but go to narciso’s link and read the comments, biden… there’s a difference… retire05 was no fan of Romney nor, apparently, of Newt.

    He just recognizes religious bigotry when he sees it.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  57. 56. I’m thinking one thing was a vibrant battle in the Donk camp that might have lured a Repugnant or two.

    And then there was the zeitgeist of Hope for Change, with Shrub approval at low ebb, over the lousy unemployment numbers 5.?%, Saddam hung by thugs, no WMD, Plame blame flame, Miers upchuck, Libby frogmarch,…

    That’s why 2008 turnout set the bar too high for McBain, and why he lost the Mormon tsunami, McVain a bigger threat than First Duffer.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  58. 57… my tiresome mistake… the point I’d read (apparently misread) and was referring to was a comparison of turn-out in Nevada in 2008 vs. 2012. In hindsight, it would make sense that it couldn’t have been a caucus.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  59. “Chuck Muth, a Gingrich supporter and longtime GOP operative as past executive director for both the American Conservative Union and the Nevada Republican Party, blasted his state’s GOP leadership for making the caucuses ‘a complete, total, national laughingstock.’”

    I see the sore loserism of the Gingrich campaign is contagious.

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  60. Mr. Governor Romney has done nothing nothing nothing to make this a referendum on mormonism and so it’s not

    it’s that simple really

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  61. Ugggggggggggh A fluff interview with Obama by Scat Lauer.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  62. now Santorum on the other hand

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  63. 59. “In 2008, the GOP counted 44,324 votes. If current calculations hold, that would mean there were about 10,000 fewer votes in 2012 than in 2008, which is almost half the amount Nevada GOP Chairwoman Amy Tarkanian predicted.”

    Know the name of that tune, Amy, wishcasting. Unfortunately you don’t have the helpful aid of Baghdad Hai on your team to flag your mistakes.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  64. Does Mitt an azz need Newt hemorrhoids?

    There, fixed that for ‘ya. Hell hath no fury like a Newton scorned.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  65. Dick Armey accusing others of having a irrational vendetta is like PP telling Palin to stop playing the gender card.

    Leave it to Scat Lauer to portray anything as good news for Maosama.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  66. Following AD[] this is the first contest where turnout cratered, more than 20%, not certainly so but a sufficient reason for the unusual delay in Clark results.

    Tweren’t blue laws.

    Entrance polling showed Mormon turnout down from 40% to 26% in light turnout overall, meaning it was worse, essentially half.

    Does a guaranteed McBain walkover ‘splain? Lucy?

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  67. turnout is down cause this election is a referendum on Obama and the candidates aren’t talking about Obama

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  68. Happyfeet?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  69. howdy

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  70. Hello.

    Is it true that Romney is a jerk?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  71. I think it’s more that he’s kind of shallow… if he were a jerk that would at least add an extra dimension to his character

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  72. Yeah but not a good extra dimension.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  73. no but he’s running for to be president not our new best friend

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  74. I think Romney would make a better runway model.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  75. he would make a fabulous runway model, but he has heard a different call

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  76. We totally need a separate thread on who would win “Top Chef” in a competition between Romney, Newt and Santorum.

    Kaisersoze (298188)

  77. iowahawkblog: “The switchboards at NBC are gonna start lighting up when angry fans find out Keith Olbermann won’t be on the pregame. #HAHAHAHAHAHA “

    Colonel Haiku (3d2087)

  78. If you were trapped in a well for 3 years with Newt and Romney who would you leave with?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  79. JonahNRO: “What’s the line in Vegas for Madonna to break her hip during halftime show?”

    Colonel Haiku (13582b)

  80. JonahNRO My 7th grade math teacher was hot around the same time as Madonna, can I see her at halftime instead?

    Colonel Haiku (13582b)

  81. Madonna hot?

    Please even happyfeet is sexier than that bytch.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  82. That was one of the weakest halftime acts evah!!!

    Colonel Haiku (13582b)

  83. JonahNRO To Hell with you haters. I thought Betty White did a fantastic job.

    Colonel Haiku (13582b)

  84. JonahNRO Q. What’s the worst part about enjoying this halftime? A. Telling your parents your gay.

    allahpundit Again we see the terrible consequences when good people stay silent while horror unfolds

    JonahNRO Someone tell that old lady to get off that gay guy.

    jimgeraghty Madonna, Thor wants his helmet back.

    allahpundit This is so unfortunate. For everyone.

    Colonel Haiku (13582b)

  85. Yes it was Haiku.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  86. Clark county is having trouble keeping the signal fire in tumble weeds. Still just 75% complete.

    I dunno I thought she was at least as good as Black Eyed Peas but no jiggle.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  87. Thank you, AD-RtR/OS! and gary gulrud. It’s early but there seems to be a low turnout pattern in states Romney wins. No wonder Obama is focusing on turning out his base (like requiring Catholic hospitals and universities provide contraception in employee health plans) instead of worrying about appealing to independents.

    Whoever the GOP nominee is, he can’t win without a significant Republican turnout. I doubt an anti-Obama sentiment alone will turn out enough votes to win.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  88. After all, Rubio (or whoever the VP is) can only add a limited number of votes.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  89. Santorum is up in MN. Sorry Feets, Goober’s in ’til they close the lid.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  90. Blow comb boy just got a sod coiffure. Tragic.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  91. I need to ask my little brudder who he’s voting for last I checked he was perry

    I imagine he doesn’t really care who Team R picks at this point

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  92. Happyfeet is hotter than Primadonna.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  93. Colonel Haiku #43,

    As you suggested, I followed narciso’s link to Legal Insurrection and I found the proprietor, William A. Jacobson, warning commenters about anti-LDS rhetoric. Let’s add Prof. Jacobson to your list of people to bless.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  94. 90. While sensitive to ‘purist’ smears, the 75% that are either reluctant or unwilling to accept a candidate that cannot give voice to their concerns;

    we don’t seem to have settled on what we can agree on, and agree to disagree on the rest.

    Certainly, none of the survivors are going to move that discussion forward.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  95. Coulter is a flip-flopper.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  96. madonna is cool beans I noticed something today when I went to look for the video what had gotten cap’n ed’s knickers all twistered when they announced she was doing the show (I think our good cap’n was upset about the part around 1:25)… it was a tour video she played while changing costumes

    but anyway in looking for it I found this

    hah – that means she pulled her video about how excited she was that Obama won – but you can’t tell when – it was probably awhile ago, not just cause of the super bowl

    suffice to say that’s not something she wants people to see

    I think that shows she has a lot of common sense.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  97. Madonna is a dyke.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  98. I seem to recall an abogado de Tejas que tiene moscas en su cabeza took umbrage at the allegation but it’s gaining ground:

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/02/03/GOP-Insiders-Preparing-for-Obama-Win.aspx#page1

    Courtesy the Cornell prof.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  99. Team R didn’t take this whole electing a president thing very seriously this time around Mr. gulrud

    I haven’t heard a good explanation for it yet

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  100. I think Bartlett’s idea is whack

    Fox may decide that it erred by making it too easy for Republican politicians to curry favor with its conservative viewership and thus avoid developing the positions and skills necessary to win the votes of independents and crossover voters that are essential to victory.

    I don’t think a Fox News effect caused Team R to run a dismal slate of crap. I think the serious candidates don’t want to be in the White House cause it’s a lose lose proposition once interest rates rise and America’s finances crumble like blue cheese on a tasty roasted vegetable tart

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  101. If NewsCorp, bent over any farther for Romney, they would need a full time chiropractor, O’Reilly, Coulter, Morris, Hume, Krauthammer, et al.

    narciso (87e966)

  102. Victim Haiku is an turd.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  103. he brings a lot of relevant links

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  104. 104. Oh, I think you’re right on both counts.

    Serious candidates have families and the next POTUS has a heap of guano set in a bucket over the OO door waiting.

    I think maybe what Bartlett is groping to ‘splain is this post-Slick reliance on marketing and spin(see Rico at 1) that obviates the need for a solid candidate.

    But let’s face it, if Juan Juan can make a living as a TV analyst any slutty Wasilla populist ingnoramus what makes Tina an’ Julianne homely and concave can rake coin.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  105. Tebow time for Bradykins.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  106. You, know it ticks me off, that in a campaign right out of George Romero, she provided the only spark of life, because she was right on the issues, andmore importantly right on tone, as opposed to the mammoth she had to carry to the finish line, she had nothing to apologize for, but that in itselfwas a offense,, he reward was to be slimed by those weasels like Schmidt and Wallace, the last of which still has standing invitations on certain Fox shows.

    narciso (87e966)

  107. If NewsCorp, bent over any farther for Romney, they would need a full time chiropractor, O’Reilly, Coulter, Morris, Hume, Krauthammer, et al.

    The other way to interpret that is that unanimous decision by people who have met Newt to support someone else for President remains intact.

    Kaisersoze (298188)

  108. No, this was long before Newt was a serious electoral force, Verbal.

    narciso (87e966)

  109. 110. And to November the only potential candidate that had stuck their neck out on the economy and foreign policy, far and away the most supportive Conservative in the 2010 walkover, but we can not protect her from her gender or ours.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  110. They have known him for a while, Agent Kujan.

    Kaisersoze (298188)

  111. That seems to be the lesson isn’t it, don’t say anything of substance, about QE 2, or the Arab Spring, commit yourself to nothing that isn’t poll tested 10 ways from Sunday, and when in doubt, fake it,

    narciso (87e966)

  112. 111. Just as a reality check, one can tick off the list of everyone who has endorsed the anointed and Issa, maybe Governor McDonnell, are keepers.

    Throw the rest back.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  113. “Mitt Romney’s powerful win in Nevada –certain despite the fiasco of the counting– combined with his likely triumph in Colorado will mean that he has won the four of five contests in Red-States-That-Turned-Blue-2012 –New Hampshire, Florida, Nevada and Colorado– and essentially tied in the other one, Iowa. Romney is also leading in Ohio where, as I argue below, GOP nominees go to get elected. So Romney is the prohibitive favorite to be the GOP nominee.

    What should he do about his critics that call him the “Establishment’s choice?”

    First, read them, like Kurt Schlicter, whose piece at Big Government nicely summarize the mindset of the GOP anti-Establishmentarians.

    Second, say nothing about Newt. Even his friends are writing in the past tense, and Saturday night’s presser was another disaster for the former Speaker…”

    http://www.hughhewitt.com/blog/g/4dea226c-1ab3-49a3-8de2-ad83176deab3

    Colonel Haiku (f028e8)

  114. The last time the NE could put forward a candidate the Right could get behind was Henry Cabot Lodge. H.W. was at least qualified, if not capable of bringing the party together.

    Now we are fully launched on an era of figure heads. antiChrist and his pretender are totally drilled, scripted shadows of men who cannot stand on their own.

    This is the end.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  115. this post-Slick reliance on marketing and spin

    this is why if Team R simply accomplishes the nomination of an uncharismatic governor who finished his whole term and eschews riff raff whose tawdry backgrounds are comprised of the merely congressional, they’ll have contributed something with regards to the maintenance of standards

    cold comfort but there it is

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  116. “Romney is also leading in Ohio where, as I argue below, GOP nominees go to get elected. So Romney is the prohibitive favorite to be the GOP nominee”

    Obama is widening his lead on Romney in OH. MN is for Santorum today, but we’re about 10K in the minority don’t count on us. Wisconsin has a surfeit of about 5k for the GOP. IN is safe, IA on the razor’s edge.

    MI, IL you gotta believe.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  117. Lodge weas the Vanity candidate in the ’64 campaign, the John Huntsman of that era, yeshe was Nixon’s VP in ’60, which proves what a pointless
    exercise that was.

    narciso (87e966)

  118. Duke and Duke’s men, the fabulous Dewine and Huxted bros, no they are not relations. drove the shiv into Kasich’s bad on the union reform, those are Mitten’s men

    narciso (87e966)

  119. 119. The loyal, token opposition, nattering nabobs of negativity, effete chaise lounge lizards in ennui. Krautscheisster I’m calling youse out, dribble cups at arm’s length.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  120. I think BoehnerMcConnell are a leading cause of ennui

    who can look to the future with excitement anymores, Team R victorious or no

    but the largest cause of ennui has been this series of insipid debates moderated by obamawhore journalists

    I can’t wait til the debates start back up in March so we can find out what the candidates think about immigrants and fetuses

    again

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  121. 121. That one was junior.

    122. Another one for the black book.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  122. Does it really matter, pikachu, apparently one can be a hardliner on illegal immigration, despite having employed them, you can be a prolife champion
    despite having acted otherwise in your state, you can be against Obamacare. . .

    narciso (87e966)

  123. I want more questions about global warming and ANWR and what they will do to roll back the stupid national service programs what were passed and tort reform and such

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  124. He would considered too judgemental in this day and age, a combination of Jesse Helms and John Bolton;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cabot_Lodge

    narciso (87e966)

  125. 124. Greeks have ’til 11 AM to choose golden parachutes and molotov cocktails, or just the cocktails. Meathooks if they can be identified.

    See, always a silver lining.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  126. So sorry, the first is almost a religion, the second is a silly notion only lifeydoodle chillbillies can possibly believe, that and a failure to appreciate the wily Canadian menace.

    narciso (87e966)

  127. I’m so glad I don’t live in greece can you imagine

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  128. 128. Not to bore boorishly, but I swam as a youth in Red Granite, WI quarry, 280 feet deep, and dove from 45 and 60 ft. cliffs at nearby Lohrville. One day I was there we lost a member of the UW swim team scuba diving and a lady snorkeling.

    That was Amerikkka, soon we’ll have a government minder at the urinal to make sure we wash up.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  129. we need Mr. Governor Romney on record about global warming at least as many times as he’s gone on record about the filthy immigrant hordes

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  130. the other thread is Norwegian Blue, that’s wehy I’m posting it here;

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/04/ron-paul-on-israel-strike-against-iran-i-would-try-to-discourage-them-from-doing-it/

    narciso (87e966)

  131. 133. That and Central Bank monetarism:

    “the recent announcement by the FOMC that they would keep their low rate policy for ANOTHER year – out to 2014 – struck me as incredibly strange. The only possible reason for doing that, in my mind at least, would be to fire a shot across the bow of other Central Banks hell-bent on debasing their currencies in the face of a strengthening dollar. That is NOT something Bailabankout Ben is about to sit quietly and let happen. In fact, a case could be quite easily made for QE3 being not necessarily triggered by poor economic numbers, but by a strengthening dollar”

    Ben started this whole Central Banker roulette after the Lehman collapse, arguably created originally by Greenspan loose money as well, when, overnight he added $2 Trillion to our money supply, Laffer caught it immediately.

    The currency pumps have simply increased volume and velocity ever since but, and this is the scary part, the velocity of money is now more than ever tits up.

    The dam will break, and you’ll see it at the grocer’s first.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  132. 134. Some “Mossad expert said Iran possessing a nuclear weapon would not be an existential threat so why start a war”.

    Fossil, what he means is Israel will remove Farsi from the world’s languages.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  133. 134) the Caesaerea units are good, but not that good, in the end, they had to go to Osirak, as
    one will have to for Bushehr and Natanz.

    narciso (87e966)

  134. Crappyfeet keep on effing that chicken.

    Making anti-semetic stereotypes against right wing Jews=Ok,truthful

    Criticizing Soros for his hypocrisy=Evil,naziesque.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  135. Eleven percent of NV left to count equivalent to 18% of Clark county where Methuselah is polling 3% better than Honey Badger with the latter ahead statewide by 2%.

    The fat one gets second alone, McBain his majority, just.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  136. Mossad is full of spineless morons.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  137. Questions for Romney at the next debate:

    1. Is man-made global warming real. If so, is it a pressing problem? If it is, what would President Romney do about it?

    2. Currently, a person flying legally from point A to point B with a declared handgun in their checked luggage will become a felon if their plane is diverted to New York. Do you support a national law supporting 2nd Amendment rights?

    3. Should Catholic charities, hospitals and other service organizations be required to provide medical services contrary to Catholic beliefs?

    4. Do you believe that the Department of Education should be closed? Are there any other cabinet departments you would close or merge?

    5. Should government pensions be guaranteed when Social Security is not?

    6. On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the corruption in the Obama administration?

    Kevin M (563f77)

  138. 1.You deniers are impeding progress.

    2.You gun grabbing freaks are the reason why our beloved President Obama needs Extra security

    3.Catholics should hold their nose and give women contraception.

    4.We should waste our money on Public Education you wingnuts.

    5-What kind of question is that?

    6.-nine hundred million.

    Signed

    Mitt Romney.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  139. 137. I take your word for done.

    This sad sack is done as well.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  140. The left insist ice caps breaking apart is caused by gorebull warming so nothing will change this.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  141. this being the left’s stance on gorebull warming.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  142. Why do the left use overpopulation as a scare tactic?

    Do these idiots realize their scare tactics have not worked?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  143. Does Mitt an azz need Newt hemorrhoids?

    There, fixed that for ‘ya. Hell hath no fury like a Newton scorned.
    Comment by DCSCA — 2/5/2012 @ 1:35 pm

    – De azzhole surfaceth

    Icy (d2cb23)

  144. Currently, a person flying legally from point A to point B with a declared handgun in their checked luggage will become a felon if their plane is diverted to New York. Do you support a national law supporting 2nd Amendment rights?

    – Back to the law library with you, counselor!

    Icy (d2cb23)

  145. York is only polite towards the anointed:

    http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/romney-and-gingrich-war-why-oppo-matters/359866

    At least he doesn’t fellate Greasy.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  146. DCSCA is like an ulcer on an azzhole.

    Too much?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  147. Welfare should not be used for people who can work.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  148. that’s why the FICA tax cut was so stupid

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  149. Your just realizing that now?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  150. no

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  151. Oh.

    Welfare Reform is imperative it pains me to say this but we need Gingrich on that.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  152. we’ve received instruction from the highest levels of the party that the nomination of Mr. Gingrich is unfortunately not an option

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  153. Kevin M,

    Those are excellent questions for all the candidates.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  154. The upper echelons of the GOP have decided to foist Flopney upon us.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  155. maybe they know something we don’t

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  156. Yeah they know Flopney has greased their hands so they will reward him handsomely.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  157. Golden Goose, RIP.

    http://nymag.com/news/features/wall-street-2012-2/

    Hope you already got your money out.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  158. Keep on jumping that shark.

    Includes you NJEA.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  159. Michael Moore is a fatarse.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  160. I think Corzine ran for governor so he can inflate his ego.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  161. ran for governor of NJ of course.

    Governor Corzine and Governor Christie are a part of the Gun Control mafia.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  162. Obama will not back Israel.

    If you believe him you deserve to be smacked in the head forever.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  163. I see that the final NV tallies are in, and Romney got to the 50% cross-bar.
    Wonder what took so long?
    Did the “Chicago” vote counters he hired have trouble getting up to speed (Heh!)?

    AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92)

  164. Questions for Romney at the next debate:

    1. Is man-made global warming real. If so, is it a pressing problem? If it is, what would President Romney do about it?

    2. Currently, a person flying legally from point A to point B with a declared handgun in their checked luggage will become a felon if their plane is diverted to New York. Do you support a national law supporting 2nd Amendment rights?

    3. Should Catholic charities, hospitals and other service organizations be required to provide medical services contrary to Catholic beliefs?

    4. Do you believe that the Department of Education should be closed? Are there any other cabinet departments you would close or merge?

    5. Should government pensions be guaranteed when Social Security is not?

    6. On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the corruption in the Obama administration?

    Comment by Kevin M

    This is a great comment.

    Dustin (401f3a)

  165. Oh… I see DRJ already said that. Go figure.

    Dustin (401f3a)

  166. Good questions to be asked of all the candidates is what DRJ actually said. And she’s right.

    Colonel Haiku (a95412)

  167. 167… tediously trite.

    Colonel Haiku (a95412)

  168. BreakingNews: Gingrich drops legal appeal to get on Virginia ballot – @BloombergNews http://t.co/VWUpSV0n

    Who will next feel “The Wrath of Khan Newt”?

    Colonel Haiku (a95412)

  169. Remember, the reason Newt and Perry were excluded from the ballot was ruled “Unconstitutional” in the court of law. Romney’s state chair in VA said it was “unfair to Mitt” if the voters could choose between Newt and Mitt.

    Remember, Newt was leading in the polls in that state at the time (And would probably win the state).

    Creating changing rules like that makes it nearly impossible for reform candidates to win, because it’s just so expensive to comply, and it takes a few contests before the reform candidates pick up steam (because a few drop out). This, combined with the ever earlier schedule and our party collaborating with MSNBC and CNN to moderate our debates has resulted in a stupid primary.

    And the people who make these calls overwhelmingly endorsed Mitt.

    That’s not a GOP I’m proud of.

    Instead of his campaign whining about what’s fair to Mitt (which happens to be unfair to voters), Mitt should have been man enough to demand his competitors have access to the ballot. That alone means I might vote for Mitt, but I cannot volunteer for such a guy.

    Dustin (401f3a)

  170. It’s curious how these rule changes always favor the establishment, in Alaska, it was necessary to allow mispelled ballots, for the placeholder of
    a 30 year old dynasty, for the children, here, the
    necessity of avoiding ballot fraud has the same
    result, coincidence.

    narciso (87e966)

  171. Instead of his campaign whining about what’s fair to Mitt (which happens to be unfair to voters), Mitt should have been man enough to demand his competitors have access to the ballot. That alone means I might vote for Mitt, but I cannot volunteer for such a guy.

    Anyone have a link to an example of this “whining”?

    Colonel Haiku (dc1b32)

  172. Mitt doesn’t have to whine personally, he has a full chorus, even on this site

    narciso (87e966)

  173. Didn’t think so… the usual, baseless hackery.

    BTW… that’s quite the zoo over at Legal Insurrection. Bring your peanuts.

    Colonel Haiku (dc1b32)

  174. Santorum is a nanny stater.

    Romney is a flip-flopper.

    Gingrich is a manwhore.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  175. Here’s an interesting numbers crunch from Jay Cost that may should surprise a few folks here…

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/morning-jay-mitt-romney-and-conservatives-myths-and-realities_621004.html?nopager=1

    Colonel Haiku (dc1b32)

  176. Given Obama’s latest statist act, his mandate of contraceptive coverage, conservatives and others opposed to the Leviathan state should find Romney increasingly preferable.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (decb26)

  177. 183. Brother, do NASCAR races make turns to the right, the left or both directions?

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  178. 182. Michele still hasn’t given up on VP, just sayin’.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  179. 181. Refudiated:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/02/06/a_demographic_divide_could_evangelicals__block_romney_113031.html

    You’ll need to have heard ot regression analysis to capice.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  180. The 800 pd guerilla, in the room, is that evangelical belief is a proxy for other aspects
    of social and economic conservatism, somewhat like
    union activism is among liberal groups.

    narciso (87e966)

  181. Interesting link, gary gulrud.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  182. gary gulrud,
    I’m assuming at this point that Romney will be the GOP nominee. Time to start thinking about what you’ll do in that case.

    Then the choice will be between Romney, Obama, a third party or not voting. Given Obama’s power grab to override religious conscience in the name of an all-powerful government health care system, the evangelicals — and all who believe Constitutional guarantees of liberty aren’t subject to presidential diktat — have a vital interest in defeating this power grab.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (decb26)

  183. 189. Sorry for the delay, Brother.

    It is even simpler than that, would you prefer to fight on your home turf the SS Major or a Vichy collaborator.

    Today Boehner is short-circuiting Issa’s running Holder to groung. Certainly, this could be a temporizing ploy, why bring charges and convict only to have him pardoned.

    But Boehner is Joe Bltfsplk in the flesh, star-crossed, and they will screw it up.

    Given a majority in the Senate, a Progressive Executive and Progressive Congress during global financial reset will devastate conservatism for a generation.

    You’re entitled to an opinion, but your estimate of our frame is too simplistic.

    But Boehner is

    gary gulrud (d88477)


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