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11/29/2011

Cain “Reassessing” Candidacy (You Know Who This Benefits?)

Filed under: 2012 Election — Karl @ 9:33 am

[Posted by Karl]

News broken by National Review’s Robert Costa:

In a conference call this morning, Herman Cain told his senior staff that he is “reassessing” whether to remain in the race. He will make his final decision “over the next several days.”

Cain Smokingman Mark Block confirmed the story to ABC News, although deputy campaign manager Linda Hansen tried to downplay it. [update: And Cain spox J.D. Gordon is trying to walk it back.]

As GOP media guy Rick Wilson quipped:

Just so y’all know “reassessing” is code for “packing office boxes with stolen laptops” and calling friend[s] in other campaigns.

At the WaPo, Chris Cillizza and Aaron Blake  previewed the question, “You know who this benefits?” without the usual punchline:

The latest allegation swirling around businessman Herman Cain — that he conducted a 13-year long extramarital affair with a woman named Ginger White — could well amount to a political death blow for his already-reeling presidential campaign. And that’s bad news for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney.

***

The latest allegations regarding Cain, when coupled with the dead-in-the-water candidacies (at least for the moment) of one-time conservative alternatives Perry and Bachmann, make it increasingly likely that Republicans looking for a Romney alternative will view Gingrich as the only viable option.

One problem with that analysis: a recent poll — by the WaPo, no less — showed that  if Cain dropped out, Romney was likely to benefit as much as or more than Newt Gingrich.  That poll was taken when Cain’s standing was just starting to erode and Gingrich was just starting to rise.  Thus, it’s possible Newt has already reaped most of the benefit of Cain’s decline and that a Cain dropout would now benefit… Mitt Romney.

Update: PPP pegs Newt as the likely beneficiary of a Cain pullout.

–Karl

279 Responses to “Cain “Reassessing” Candidacy (You Know Who This Benefits?)”

  1. Ding!

    Karl (f07e38)

  2. Isn’t it interesting how the media are so fixated on “Not-Romney”?

    My personal preference is for “Not-Obama”…

    Sue (40062f)

  3. I think the WaPo kids are right that Newt is emerging as the only viable not-Romney. I think the growing awareness and acknowledgement of this fact will probably swamp the impact of however many confuzzled former Cain voters stumble into Camp Romney.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  4. Except, Karl, that Cain will immediately endorse Gingrich. Not only are they simpatico on a lot of things, but Cain could be Gingrich’s running mate without stirring up extra controversy.

    Not that I believe one word of the most recent put-up job.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  5. then again Newt is an adulterous chippie-loving man-whore too so maybe in the end Romney is seen as some kind of safe asexual harbour

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  6. Karl,

    I feel for Mrs Cain, and Cains misguided supporters

    Broken Cain/Rubio/Palin//Christie signs are scheduled for recycling pickups on thursdays – please – for the sake of expediency – do not engage the sanitation workers with weak explanations of what could have been as there is great demand for removals

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  7. I’m non plused by Cilizza, whose record is at best .300 in any given week, and Blake is actually putting out a dragnet for Newt’s foibles,

    narciso (87e966)

  8. Hqppy,

    Do you think America’s hertland is going to pick Newt?

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  9. Huntsman called to set a limit on bank size relative to the size of the economy, and to apply a variety of taxes against the banks to make it more costly to exceed that limit.

    “Anything that is too big to fail is simply too big — with the real danger that large banks have the incentive and ability to become even bigger,”

    If this is real and Huntsman doesn’t get caught taking megabucks from the banks he wants to “break up” then he could beat Obama.

    Romney is a flip flopper on a Biblical Scale
    Gingrich is damaged goods
    Ron Paul will never get enough votes coz he scares all vested interests sh**less. And he doesn’t like oil wars or social security.

    EdWood (c2268a)

  10. I don’t see how that could be, if Mitt doesn’t draw from Cain’s cohort, it’s just as likely that Santorum would benefit.

    narciso (87e966)

  11. BTW, I told you so!

    Kevin M (563f77)

  12. Does anyone think that Huntsman is going to pull a John Anderson? It sure seems like he’s aiming at single-issue anti-war Dems and centrists.

    Won’t work vs Obama v Mitt, but it may well play if it’s Obama v Newt.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  13. Yes you did Kevin – you called it along time ago –

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  14. I think Newt wins Iowa Mr. Johnson

    I think that’s where we are today

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  15. If Ginger has had a 13 year affair with a millionaire businessman, why does she have major money problems?

    Hmmmmmmm?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  16. A month is a life time though, if you haven’t figured this out by now, a tip stay off the Newsweek covers, Mitt.

    narciso (87e966)

  17. Eric please do the world a favor and feck off.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  18. EPWJ channels his inner TBogg:

    “Herman Cain Has Sexed Up Every Woman in America Including Your Mom
    By: TBogg Monday November 28, 2011 7:15 pm”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  19. Doh hearts grouper

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  20. I don’t know why Cain would quit NOW. The women are getting less assaulted, more romantic.

    Rob N (6fdce8)

  21. Ahhhhhhhhhhh yes Spermin Herman did it no proof needed

    I hope the Cain haters move out of the country if he is innocent.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  22. Not only that I hope they renounce their citizenship too.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  23. EPWJ on Nikki Haley

    “Dustin,

    South Carolina as most states have anonymous votes, when its characterized as breaking new ground is sooo much poppycock. Since like forever its been the norm in last I checked at least 2/3rds of the Union since before the civil war – thats a fake attention getting crusade by Haley for briwnie points for a run for state office – cynical and calculated

    Haley has not answered the charges only denied them, this is not sufficient as she hired and worked with the two people making the accustions.

    Its interesting that she as a female is given the benefit of a doubt but a married man with children accused by two (or more) people of having an affair would already be done.

    Also Erick Ericsson of Red State did much much worse to Kay Bailey in Texas – he Twittered that she adopted her children as a prop ro run for office

    The premise that a career politician – which Haley is – is being smeared by the career politico’s that she hired is well – I’m not getting too worked up over it – like it not the first time anyone denied an affair

    But can anyone tell me when they can recall that someone was falsely accused of having not one but two affairs and it wasnt true?

    anyone?

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 6/7/2010 @ 2:35 am”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  24. EPWJ running the same old scam with Nikki Haley:

    “Haley has not answered the charges only denied them”

    Eric,
    how is that not answering the charges?

    Question: “Did you take sleep with that man?”
    Answer: “No.”

    Seems pretty answered to me.

    Comment by Sherri — 6/7/2010 @ 8:05 am

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  25. Cain enablers – laughable if it wasn’t so sad

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  26. EricPWJohnson-Laughable if he weren’t a cock sucking thug.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  27. Patterico weighing in on EPWJ’s wankery regarding Nikki Haley:

    I heard that someone accused you of molesting underage goats. Prove that you did not. The burden of proof is on you.

    Have you ever heard of a situation where someone was accused of molesting underage goats and it turned out not to be true?

    Comment by Patterico — 6/8/2010 @ 7:32 am

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  28. “it’s possible Newt has already reaped most of the benefit of Cain’s decline”

    Possible but not bloody likely. For one, the radioheads are relieved someone who can connect with the quick has broken through.

    gulrud (d88477)

  29. From EPWJ’s link:

    “Rumors about the open nature of the Haleys’ marriage have floated around Lexington County for years. Naturally, these rumors intensified last summer when two men – including this website’s founding editor – stepped forward and acknowledged previous sexual relationships with Haley.”

    “Still, no “smoking gun” ever conclusively linked Haley to any extramarital encounter – and she went on to win the 2010 election (albeit by a much narrower margin than anyone expected).”

    Same people promoting the same unsupported allegations from 2010. Hope springs eternal for smear artist EPWJ.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  30. Cain now officially blaming Perry, and all GOP establishment republicans for his loss

    niiice

    broken Cain sign pickup on Thursdays – remember – no lengthy weak, selfsering speeches to the busy santitation workers as they have alot of cult signs to pickup

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  31. I am personally offended that no one in the irascible state of SC hasn’t smeared ffolkes(“salacious relations with Nikki”) in pigs blood and run him to ground with starving hounds.

    Pansies. The bag of rancid pus still breathes.

    gulrud (d88477)

  32. Full disclosure, I am a Mitt voter in the NY primary. That being said, if Cain does drop out, the reason for his dropping out, in my mind, has to benefit Mitt Romney. Newt has his own baggage and this scandal only serves to remind people that Newt is on his third wife, having behaved in this same manner throughout his career. Romney, on the other hand, has never had a hint of scandal around him. Instead, he is squeaky clean and not about to bring shame on the party.

    Stephen (236526)

  33. It’s the squeaky-clean guys that are the real freaks. You just never know what they’re hiding.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  34. gulrud

    Ummm, read the article, its footnoted extensively and a third person who is an elected official said he had an affair with her

    this is not what S.C needs regardless of her effectiveness as gov, it doesn’t excuse their apparent lying and lack of morals

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  35. 35 “You just never know what they’re hiding.”

    Celestial underwear.

    gulrud (d88477)

  36. 36. “read the article”. I read enough 2 years ago, and more to the point, saw Folkes’ picture and read his work history.

    A retard who believes a word of his sh*t would think Jimmah Carter was the smartest President evah.

    gulrud (d88477)

  37. According to wikipedia the norway shooter was a zionist terrorist who supported conservatives and considered marxist the enemy and was islamophobic……um this is a lie.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  38. raising Cain or do
    the horizontal mambo?
    fifteen minute fame

    ColonelHaiku (89a861)

  39. barry 0bama
    now in jimmuh cahtah zone
    approval rating

    ColonelHaiku (89a861)

  40. Re-assing? Isn’t that what got him into trouble in the first place? Maybe I spelled that wrong.

    kansas (7b4374)

  41. Cain clearly had a very active one!

    ODB (0f13a8)

  42. “Ummm, read the article, its footnoted extensively and a third person who is an elected official said he had an affair with her”

    EricPWJohnson – Same people as last year, same allegations. Why should anybody believe them this time? They promised to deliver proof last year and did not deliver. What has changed?

    EPWJ, a one person smear machine. Conservative women, minorities and non-establishment politicians hardest hit.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  43. Col,

    do your think Mitt has the nomination – I’m not one who thinks that Cain supporters will automatically go enmass to Newt – I think in the early states everyone will get some with many going to Perry and Santorum

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  44. The Pain of Cain is mainly in the Stain

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  45. The pain of Perry is on a ferry.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  46. Say, when do those new TV ads for Palin start in IA?

    AD-RtR/OS! (685ad4)

  47. Cain is a racist rapist.

    JD (3d0bb5)

  48. Ummm, read the article

    On a site that claims to be unfair and imbalanced? Priding themselves on their lack of credibility doesn’t make me want to spend time there.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  49. Daleyrocks – the one man lying smear machine does seem to have it in for the womynz and minorities.

    JD (3d0bb5)

  50. Gingrich at 38% in SC with more to bleed from the field.

    Outside the Rockefeller GOP epicycle Newtie can suck malcontents from both the centrist and right wings.

    gulrud (d88477)

  51. If Cain is reassessing his campaign, is that because he doesn’t think he can win, he doesn’t think he can have any further impact on GOP ideology/the election, his family has had enough, or that there are still more women who might come forward?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  52. Dunno about the rest a yuz but I quit believing the Pillsbury Doughboy, without shekels or socially redeeming qualities, got cheerleader type pud in junior high. I was not exactly streetwise.

    gulrud (d88477)

  53. Gingrich is NOT viable! Gingrich is still the same proponent of open borders, outsourcing US jobs that he was during his time as speaker. I remember Newt Gingrich from back in the day, he despises average Americans, especially average conservatives. Like Clinton and Obama, Gingrich is out to enrich himself, by selling our country out from under us. Lots of info out there about how and why Gingrich would be as bad as Obama if elected, and there are enough independents and conservatives who will NEVER vote for him. I’m sick and tired of some of you out there letting the MSM dictate who our nominee will be. They want either Gingrich, Romney or Huntsman, RINOS who will toe the globalist, NWO line.

    Mary (02d5b6)

  54. 56. Define “viable”.

    gulrud (d88477)

  55. Comment by DRJ — 11/29/2011 @ 1:01 pm

    YES!

    AD-RtR/OS! (685ad4)

  56. Mary is off her meds.

    AD-RtR/OS! (685ad4)

  57. How dare Mary speak the truth.

    Dude I like you and all but she is right.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  58. I have this ingrained distrust of anyone who speaks in absolutes, such as saying that “he despises average Americans, especially average conservatives.”
    I think it derives from taking too many tests where 99.9% of the time, absolute statements were always false.
    Now, Newt has some significant negatives in his history, but if the country was able to overlook the know negatives of the current occupant in ’08, and wasn’t exactly curious about his unknowns, why would we think that Newt is any different?
    At least with Newt, we can agree with a great many of his positions – in ’08, I couldn’t agree with any position advanced by The Lightworker.
    No candidate will be the perfect mirror of our beliefs; we can only hope to find one that – for the most part – reflects our hopes and aspirations.

    AD-RtR/OS! (685ad4)

  59. If we don’t run on our car on ethanol the ecosystem will be destroyed

    /Newt Gingrich

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  60. Link please!

    AD-RtR/OS! (685ad4)

  61. Yes Obama isn’t to blame for jobs going overseas it’s just that they want cheap labor to villify our first black president right?

    Leftard scum.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  62. the buisness owners.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  63. I wonder what if Herman Cain was in a coma and she said he had an affair.

    Herman Cain had an affair do you have proof?

    Oh and he paid off that women who didn’t want to tell about Cain in 04 and hugged him as if he were her BFF at a Tea Party Rally?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  64. “Daleyrocks – the one man lying smear machine does seem to have it in for the womynz and minorities.”

    JD – Palin, Haley, Rubio, Cain to name a few.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  65. and hear the lamentations of the Women Cain Supporters

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  66. AZ legislator on Cain’s team has known him for 12 years without being hit on and “I’m not an unattractive woman”.

    Perhaps he doesn’t like ’em attractive. Maybe he likes plus-sized cougars shunned by mirrors and cameras.

    Any insight PeeWee, Feets?

    gulrud (d88477)

  67. Can I hear the lamentation of the chicken you keep screwing EricPW?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  68. At this rate, why don’t we (the slaves of America)just wait until our “free press” tells us who are next potus will be? Sheesh!

    J (2946f2)

  69. Here’s what Newt said in February in response to the WSJ attacking him for taking money from the Ethanol Lobby in 2009…
    “…Second, I am not a lobbyist for ethanol, not for anyone. My support of increased domestic energy production of all forms, including biofuels and domestic drilling, is born out of our urgent national security and economic needs…”http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/04/newt-answers-critics-over-ethanol-comments/

    Jazz Shaws’ comment:
    “…being perceived as having gone off the beam on one issue out of so many is hardly reason to throw the baby out with the bath water…”

    BTW, you can probably count on both hands the number of people on-the-Hill who haven’t taken any ethanol money.
    And, my position is – and always has been – that this was a dead-end street, and should have never been funded in any manner, and that all subsidies, mandates, and protective-tariffs need to be ended, now!

    AD-RtR/OS! (685ad4)

  70. EPWJ – so, how many women now?

    TBogg – Herman Cain Has Sexed Up Every Woman in America Including Your Mom

    EPWJ – File this under – Muhawhawhawhaw

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  71. Careful you just called the egotistical twat a terrorist.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  72. Sarcasm obviously

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  73. doh

    why did you call drj and michelle bachmann a C word?

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  74. I see you run away when exposed

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  75. I did not call DRJ a cunt did I?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  76. Well did I DRJ?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  77. hy did you doh?

    Also why did you call Bachmann one as well?

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  78. doh,

    you’re a good guy, te drj one was obviously a typo but if you put in you and c*nt on this site – it’s something that – not recommended, doesn’t make you relevant – is just wrong on soo many levels, and is impossible to explain or defend

    your normal comment are great

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  79. Thanks but what does DRJ think?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  80. doh

    why did you call drj and michelle bachmann a C word?

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/29/2011 @ 3:37 pm

    Linkie thingy immediately, or are you just lying once again?

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  81. He is. I didn’t call DRJ a cunt but I did call Bachmann one and I apologize.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  82. it as along time ago and I immediatly said in the thread it as a typo – but just avoid female based slurs – well all slurs – even JD dropped his patent

    you can call me stupid, moron, a$$wipe, brick, stick, wick, flip, one guy called me norm for months (never figured that one out), cliffy, EeePee, pewee, dunby dumb sumb, littleman, failure, flake and many more.

    just stay away from the Carlin stuff

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  83. Sorry for calling Bachmann a C U Next Thursday.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  84. Just stay away from the Carlin stuff.

    Or else what your gonna send me to bed without my supper?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  85. peed,

    why dont you google dude?

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  86. Where did you do that, Doh?

    JD (318f81)

  87. It was long ago.

    I just got frustrated by Bachmann.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  88. Is epwj lecturing people?! really?!

    JD (318f81)

  89. I was not asking about Bachman.

    JD (318f81)

  90. “Is epwj lecturing people?! really?!”

    Absolute Moral Authority.

    Teh irony, it burnz.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  91. here is part of a reference to it

    56.No complaints on my part, DRJ. The only complaint I was going to raise was when I read that insult to your reputation made by one “doh biden”.

    I like to think I can dish it out as well as I take it.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 10/5/2011 @ 8:18 pm

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  92. peed

    I think if you read the monster thread doh as I think talking to me but started a post to DRJ – but my point is that he needs to slow down and target his insults more accurately

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  93. i think it was on the Oct 4th thread

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  94. 59.Col

    I think Dohbiden was talking about Bachmann in that comment not DRJ

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 10/5/2011 @ 8:28 pm

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  95. But why do you insit i called DRJ a c word when you quote your 10/5/2011 quote?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  96. peed,

    why dont you google dude?

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/29/2011 @ 4:01 pm

    Because it’s your allegation to prove, not mine to do the frickin research for you. Damn. this guy is definitely dumber than a sack of andrews.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  97. he needs to slow down and target his insults more accurately

    How did you keep your head from assploding when you typed that?!?!?!?!?!

    JD (318f81)

  98. Polar bears won’t go extinct idiot.

    Oh I forgot the rising increase in Polar Bears means they will go extinct by 2069.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  99. peed

    its only an allegation if its not true

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  100. She did not admit to sexual harrassment. She admitted to an affair, that’s something totally different. So why did she disclose this information? She knew he was married. Why do some women air their “dirty laundry” like that?

    [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    19 monitor (50b22a)

  101. It’s amusing to see the crassness of our political game as pundits and pollsters jump in making estimations and determinations of who will benefit most if Cain steps down. The body isn’t even cold yet.

    I can’t help but think of Mrs. Cain and his children. At this point in time, they surely are looking at their loved one with grave doubts. A man who flirts around like a high schooler with little self-control is one thing, but a 13 year affair is an entirely different matter altogether. That’s a serious secret life of duplicity and betrayal. If it’s true, it will be nearly impossible to salvage a marriage.

    If Cain is guilty of this affair (and the other accusations) and hasn’t yet stepped down, he is a sick egomaniac to put his family through this. Time will tell.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  102. Dana

    What I’ve been saying for weeks – what about the trautized woman who woke up in his bed at his corp apartment and was distraut and quit and was given tens of thousands of dollars?

    And then hiring a lawyer who went on the record to threaten to sue anyone who spoke out against Cain

    There is more than enough proof of sick egomaniac – and hen all the other Candidates have left CPAC Florida’s events Cain went prowling into the wee hours of the morning

    This has been a great hoax, he played the race card constantly, insisted on respect he didnt give other candidates and blamed others for his own doing

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  103. JD, this is even funnier:

    http://patterico.com/2011/11/29/is-terra-nova-eco-fascist-and-is-it-boring/comment-page-2/#comment-873659

    Dana, I agree completely. But we have worked so hard to drive decent people out of politics. Heck, I remember the Left, so concerned about morality, have a different set of standards for a certain Arkansas horndog. Sigh.

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  104. And I think his wife and family were well aware of it.

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  105. ^^^^^ Jeez.

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  106. What I’ve been saying for weeks – what about the trautized woman who woke up in his bed at his corp apartment and was distraut and quit and was given tens of thousands of dollars?

    And then hiring a lawyer who went on the record to threaten to sue anyone who spoke out against Cain

    I remain unsympathetic to women who of their free-will sleep with powerful married men.
    If she woke up in bed traumatized, distraught and compelled to quit her job for a few bucks in return, I suggest she make a much cleaner and neater bed in the future.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  107. Take your meds, epwj.

    JD (3d0bb5)

  108. “If it’s true, it will be nearly impossible to salvage a marriage.”

    Dana – Time wounds all heels.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  109. Great comment, Dana:


    “…I suggest she make a much cleaner and neater bed in the future…”

    And perhaps less crowded?

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  110. “What I’ve been saying for weeks – what about the trautized woman who woke up in his bed at his corp apartment”

    EPWJ – This is the “alleged” rape reported by someone unaware of what occurred at the apartment? Can you provide details?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  111. what about the trautized woman who woke up in his bed?

    Colonel didn’t hear about this. Cain did The Trout with a woman? He shoulda stuck with The Shy Tuna.

    Colonel Haiku (89a861)

  112. “its only an allegation if its not true”

    EPWJ – Given that you have supplied no proof of inappropriate behavior of Herman Cain with any women, everything you have said remain allegations. Please feel free to prove otherwise.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  113. Too much information, Colonel.

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  114. peed

    its only an allegation if its not true

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/29/2011 @ 4:38 pm

    Yes it is still an allegation because it has not been proven to be true. Prove it is true, until YOU have proof that it is true, you are libeling Cain.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  115. Daley, doesn’t that take us back to Patterico’s comment you referenced above?

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  116. Why does doh biden get away with writing the “C” word and Dustin gets erased for daring to write about the love that dare not speak its name he has for Governor Rick Perry?

    Consistency, please.

    Colonel Haiku (89a861)

  117. Those are dances, Simon. Get yer mind outta the gutter!

    Colonel Haiku (89a861)

  118. And the same goes for your allegations against Doh that even your #99,
    59.Col

    I think Dohbiden was talking about Bachmann in that comment not DRJ

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 10/5/2011 @ 8:28 pm

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/29/2011 @ 4:12 pm

    admits to libeling DohBiden. Better get a good attorney, son.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  119. Nobody can be that dumb. It’s an act isn’t it?

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  120. He is drunk, stoned, or…um…mentally veering. Or a very, very weird troll.

    Pick one or several.

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  121. Damn, if I didn’t know better, I would swear that he and Kturd are the same poster.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  122. Naaaaaaah.

    um my comment didn’t appear Colonel.

    But your right.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  123. Actually, EPWJ is much more like DCSCA without spellcheck. And there are days *I* need spellcheck, too!

    Except I don’t post as if I am trying out for an off-off Broadway production of “Altered States.”

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  124. More like ‘Sybill” in my opinion.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  125. Eric is just a train wreck.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  126. But Sybil was a fake.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  127. Some details about the accuser;

    Ms. White is an unemployed single mother. Before the interview, Fox learned that she had filed a sexual harassment claim against an employer in 2001. That case was settled. The station also found a bankruptcy filing nearly 23 years ago in Kentucky, and several eviction notices in the Atlanta area over the past six years.
    The station also reported that Ms. White had a former business partner who once sought a “stalking temporary protective order” against her for “repeated e-mails/texts threatening lawsuit and defamation of character.” The case was dismissed, but it was followed by a libel lawsuit against Ms. White. A judge entered an order against Ms. White because she failed to respond to the lawsuit, Fox reported.

    narciso (87e966)

  128. From the ABC News piece, this may be why Herman
    did come to her assistance;

    Ginger White . . . has liens and civil judgments in Kentucky and Georgia dating back to 1994.
    Eleven of those liens have been filed since 2009, with nine in 2011. The owners of her apartment complex in Dunwoody, Georgia have sued her for non-payment of rent nearly every month since the beginning of the year.
    White, a 46-year-old unemployed single mother who is at least twice divorced, was described by WAGA as an Atlanta-area businesswoman. . . . According to WAGA, she filed a sex harassment claim against an employer ten years ago, and the case was settled. . . .
    In January, there is a scheduled court date in an unrelated civil suit filed against her by a former business partner, Kimberly Vay, who alleges that White stalked and harassed her and had sought a protective order. A judge has entered a default judgment in Vay’s favor.

    narciso (87e966)

  129. Milhouse

    Seems to fit a pattern of women on hard times that Cain seems to frequent? After all, successful, Married, stable females dont usually have affairs with boring balding middle aged married executives

    just an observation

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  130. Good Allah, it is tiresome.

    JD (3d0bb5)

  131. How do we know you didn’t sexually harass them you silly thing?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  132. I’m not balding….

    Jd, Cains done, despite your best efforts to revive his failings – he’s t..o..a..s..t

    thank goodness

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  133. Only the knowledge that people can be foolish and irrational makes it possible to believe the claims.

    What seems more plausible:

    1) that Mr. Cain was a profligate womanizer who couldn’t control himself and left all kinds of women behind in his wake and thought he could be the center of attention and run for president and get away with it

    or

    2) people whose only principle is to gain power and wield it found a few desperate people to pay off?

    I know the answer to that question, whatever one thinks the answer is, has little bearing on whether the claims are actually true or not, but still.

    Now, why was it that Mrs. Daniels didn’t want her husband to run for president?

    MD in Philly (a4b47f)

  134. no I do not have any insights

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  135. But Sybil was a fake.

    Comment by Milhouse — 11/29/2011 @ 5:36 pm

    And your point being, what? 😆 ^

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  136. Epwj – let’s see if you can document my support of Cain. Hint, you cannot. Pointing out your lies does not equate to support for the target of your lies. But that concept seems beyond you. Like honesty.

    JD (318f81)

  137. I’m a douschebag who likes blow-up dolls of Rick Perry.

    We get it Eric.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  138. JD, it’s just trolling. I mean, look at the posts.

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  139. Cain is out. A month from now Newt will be out, Bachmann will be in. A month later, Bachmann will be out, Huntsman will be in.

    BTW did Perry pull out yet?

    CrustyB (d4da92)

  140. If this allegation is true, this would yet be another example of the “Boy Who Cried Wolf”.

    Michael Ejercito (64388b)

  141. No the reverse, seems more nearly true, considering White’s background,

    narciso (87e966)

  142. “Daley, doesn’t that take us back to Patterico’s comment you referenced above?”

    Simon – Yes, yes it does.

    Our EPWJ is very flexible with the smear standards he takes. Last year he was demanding that Nikki Haley sue Will Folkes to defend her sacred honor. Today he thinks it is bad form for Cain to hire a lawyer to defend himself against false accusations.

    Our EPWJ has no trouble talking out of both sides of his mouth.

    His daughters would be proud.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  143. Why are you attacking his family, daleyrocks? Maybe I was you that tried to threaten his family but the call got intercepted prior to reaching it’s target. And it was probably you that used a west point cadet’s image on a porno, because that is who you are. Or was it you that tried to get him to run for Governor in North Dakota?

    JD (318f81)

  144. “Seems to fit a pattern of women on hard times that Cain seems to frequent? After all, successful, Married, stable females dont usually have affairs with boring balding middle aged married executives”

    EPWJ – On the contrary, the pattern is that the only two women to come forward and go on record with anything even resembling something close to specific allegations concerning Herman Cain have nothing to lose financially from doing so and much to potentially gain. Notice no other women have provided any details of any alleged misbehavior.

    just an observation

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  145. I’m to the point, daley, where I don’t believe much about what this guy says. Best example, he lambastes people for not replying to his questions. Yet, when people ask him questions, he doesn’t reply.

    Like when he claimed I had called him a terrorist. I asked him to show a link where I had ever said that, and he went away for a while, and then jumped back to being weird on other topics.

    Yes, I tend to disbelieve much of what he writes, because much of it sounds like DCSCA style Walter Mitty boasting. But who knows the truth?

    All I know is that he has smeared a number of people. So I don’t care at all when people call him names. Fair enough, at least until he starts walking the walk.

    Alternative is that he doesn’t remember things that he posts. Or is just a thumb-fingered troll.

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  146. JD – I am not attacking anybody’s family. I am suggesting, much like EPWJ did to elissa, that his daughters would be proud of what he posts here.

    Are you suggesting otherwise?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  147. Cain is a racist rapist.
    Comment by JD — 11/29/2011 @ 12:37 pm

    — As long as he’s only raping racists, then that’s okay. After all, if they don’t deserve it, who does?

    Helen: Have you ever killed anyone?
    Harry: Yeah, but they were all bad.

    Icy (1c8316)

  148. “Maybe I was you that tried to threaten his family but the call got intercepted prior to reaching it’s target. And it was probably you that used a west point cadet’s image on a porno, because that is who you are. Or was it you that tried to get him to run for Governor in North Dakota?”

    get f*cked troll.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  149. Maybe my tongue was planted too far in my cheek …

    JD (318f81)

  150. The Pain of Cain is mainly in the Stain
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/29/2011 @ 12:09 pm

    — Take it from the preeminent “stain” on this blog.

    Icy (1c8316)

  151. “Alternative is that he doesn’t remember things that he posts.”

    Simon – I don’t buy the early onset alzheimers or posting in a blackout routine, or even narcolepsy.

    It’s just his stupid version of performance art.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  152. Get f*cked troll.

    I already do and it’s by Ricky Ricardo Perry.

    EricPWJohnson.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  153. “Maybe my tongue was planted too far in my cheek …”

    JD – Sorry, I thought it was that other JD or somebody else.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  154. Herman Cain is an affrimative action pick.

    /Perryshits

    But don’t say that about Obama you racist.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  155. It is common knowledge that epwj engages in non-consensual underage goat buggering.

    JD (318f81)

  156. I see you run away when exposed
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/29/2011 @ 3:38 pm

    — Says the one that refuses to retract or apologize for his “Cain just has a disgusting ad accusing Republicans of being essentially klansmen,” statement.

    Icy (1c8316)

  157. So,

    has Cain dropped out yet – so many whiners
    broken Cain sign pickup is scheduled for thursday

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  158. Yes, Cain has had his faults, but could you imagine
    anyone in his entourage saying anything this asinine;

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/29/wh-applauds-turkish-government-despite-suppression-of-free-speech-promotion-of-sharia/

    narciso (87e966)

  159. Icy

    yep he did, also fundraising calls and letters

    he’s el finisho

    Way to go guys backed the wrong horse again

    quite an accomplishment

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  160. Epwj – prove it. Liar.

    JD (318f81)

  161. And I think his wife and family were well aware of it.
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/29/2011 @ 4:44 pm

    — Why is the media bothering to chase down leads in this case when they could all just come to you for all of the answers?

    Icy (1c8316)

  162. yep he did, also fundraising calls and letters
    — Okay, then prove it. Let’s go, boy!

    Way to go guys backed the wrong horse again
    — List the regular bloggers at this site that named Herman Cain as their candidate of choice. Go!

    Icy (1c8316)

  163. “Why is the media bothering to chase down leads in this case when they could all just come to you for all of the answers?”

    Icy – How do you know EPWJ isn’t the media’s lead?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  164. “Way to go guys backed the wrong horse again”

    EPWJ – I don’t know who here is backing Cain, but I find the sick part of your comments is that you know there is no proof of the allegations against Cain and you don’t care. You just want him out of the race. A very honorable and progressive attitude.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  165. Haven’t the remarks about Haley, then Palin, and throw in Rubio, proven the point,

    narciso (87e966)

  166. BTW did Perry pull out yet?
    Comment by CrustyB — 11/29/2011 @ 6:56 pm

    — Ask EPWJ. He’s the one doing the kneel and bob bending over backwards to support Perry.

    Icy (1c8316)

  167. “Haven’t the remarks about Haley, then Palin, and throw in Rubio, proven the point,”

    narciso – Seemed like only JD was biting when I mentioned that earlier.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  168. JD, daley…just tell me that this doesn’t sound like DCSCA:

    http://patterico.com/2011/11/29/cain-reassessing-candidacy-you-know-who-this-benefits/#comment-873820

    Right? All it needs is some self-aggrandizing story…oh wait. You don’t suppose….

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  169. For some reason it seems to be very important to Eric that a Black Conservative fails spectacularly and publicly, and is on the receiving end of open mockery and hostility. He appears to gain real pleasure from pursuing it and in anticipation of it. I think that’s sick.

    elissa (34e9fa)

  170. Oh well. Here comes a barrage of bizarre insults after elissa posted the above. It’s how EPWJ rolls.

    Simon Jester (bf8c3e)

  171. EricPwJohnsom-I see you run away when exposed.

    :roll: Irony much?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  172. I was horrified when people gave me guff for being an useful idiot for Obama.

    /Kathy Masterbates

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  173. He probably lives in his moms basement-Jay Leno

    Irony alert.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  174. Am I wrong in making that observation, Simon? Am I misreading it?

    elissa (34e9fa)

  175. “He appears to gain real pleasure from pursuing it and in anticipation of it.”

    elissa – He was the same with Nikki Haley last year and just remember how he acted with the publication of Joe McGuinness’s book about Sarah Palin this summer. He couldn’t contain himself.

    He is a very sick individual. Just not right in the head.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  176. For the record: EPWJ was not buggering that underage goat!

    He was asking it “Which way to all of the Joooooooooooos?” and he had to get up-close and personal to hear the response.

    Icy (1c8316)

  177. The goat later told investigators, “He’s a baa-aa-ad, baa-aa-ad maa-aa-an!”

    Icy (1c8316)

  178. I hereby swear to never call EPenisWartJ a c*nt.

    Icy (1c8316)

  179. I wish Pat would ban the lying little ankle-biting turd-muncher. He adds exactly nothing to the conversation but misinformation and lies.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  180. Your cult of personality trash for pointing out my comments about Roseanne Barre-Annoyinglittltwerp at hot AIR.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  181. In germany homeschooling your kids is illegal

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  182. Unfortunately, if Cain does drop out within the next few days EPWJ will claim victory and declare it to be proof of Cain’s guilt for every misdeed that he’s ever been accused of committing.

    Icy (4c3508)

  183. Germany is not perfect, DohBiden, but it’s still the best and strongest country in the EU

    Icy (4c3508)

  184. The wailing and moaning of Cain supporters is music to the ears of those who seek justice

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  185. elissa

    Cains not a black conservative – he is a sexual predator who preyed upon vulnerable women, and plays the race card

    Just sayin…..

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  186. It is apparent that epwj buggers underage non-consensual goats. And he is a liar.

    JD (0e41ea)

  187. So, the folks that whitewashed the Gitmo detainees,
    think of them as the real version of Wolfram and Hart, have some advice;

    http://www.levick.com/resources/news/inthenews.php

    narciso (87e966)

  188. “Unfortunately, if Cain does drop out within the next few days EPWJ will claim victory and declare it to be proof of Cain’s guilt for every misdeed that he’s ever been accused of committing.”

    Icy – BS. EPWJ’s Greenwaldian claims live on in infamy no matter what happens. Claiming statements say things that they demonstrably don’t and eventually getting the result you want is not a victory for truth.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  189. Our favorite, um, unusual troll writes:

    “…he is a sexual predator who preyed upon vulnerable women, and plays the race card…”

    Now, the latter statement is an opinion that can be debated. But the first is an accusation, with legal ramifications. And what I wish, so very much, is that brave little trolls could walk up to Mr. Cain and say that to his face. Because I think Mr. Cain would mop the floor with his pointy little head.

    By the way, EPWJ, you bizarre person: you have accused me, and DohBiden, of calling you a terrorist. Put up or shut up. Post the link.

    And I encourage everyone to pepper this not-so-person with his own prior statements. Maybe he will go away, or act more decently.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  190. I love how Eric calls Palin a racist white trash and yet insists it is others who play the race card.

    I hope that Bytch moans and groans in pain when he goes to the bathroom.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  191. The wailing and moaning of Cain supporters is music to the ears of those who seek justice
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/30/2011 @ 3:53 am

    — And why is that, pray tell?

    Icy (4c3508)

  192. elissa
    Cain’s* not a black conservative – he is a sexual predator who preyed upon vulnerable women, and plays the race card
    Just sayin…..

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/30/2011 @ 3:56 am

    — Some of Eric’s best friends are black conservatives.

    [*corrected because my iPhone does not speak Perry-toolbot]

    Icy (4c3508)

  193. Is accusing someone of rape part of a quest for justice?

    JD (0e41ea)

  194. Is bearing false witness part of a quest for justice?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  195. EPWJ’s Greenwaldian claims live on in infamy no matter what happens.

    — I know, daleyrocks. Just sayin’ that if and when Cain drops out, and especially if it happens this week, EPWJ will become even more insufferable than he is now, claiming that withdrawal = admission of guilt.

    Icy (4c3508)

  196. “Cain just has a disgusting ad accusing Republicans of being essentially klansmen.”

    –Not that you really care, Eric, but if you could just bring yourself to admit that this one statement of yours was wrong (i.e. not factual) then your next comment might possibly engender a reaction other than “Oh look! The clown is out riding his little tricycle again.”

    Icy (4c3508)

  197. “EPWJ will become even more insufferable than he is now, claiming that withdrawal = admission of guilt.”

    Icy – That may be true, but EPWJ claimed that Cain in his statement on Monday admitted to the affair. That is demonstrably false and EPWJ has not corrected himself, because that is just the way he rolls. He wants you to ignore all his provable lies and misstatements along the way if events turn out the way he hopes. A very sick man.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  198. Doesn’t look like he’s getting out, although I can’t
    help recall a similar cycle about a year ago;

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/284436/cain-wrap-john-j-miller

    narciso (87e966)

  199. There will be no famine for quite some time.

    But when it occurs you wish your children were obese.

    Sorry for the O/T

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  200. Cain’s email today does not suggest he is leaving the race. And certainly does not confirm the allegations. Unless by confirm, you mean deny.

    JD (78f312)

  201. Stacy McCain has an interesting post up about Ginger White’s business partner.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  202. The clown is out riding his little tricycle again.”

    Comment by Icy — 11/30/2011 @ 9:25 am

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  203. 😯 😯 😯 😆 :shock 😆

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  204. :shock:*

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  205. Notice how the lying coward fled, and took his act to another thread, and picked right up where he left off?

    JD (0e41ea)

  206. [*corrected because my iPhone does not speak Perry-toolbot]

    Comment by Icy — 11/30/2011 @ 9:05 am

    It’s not fair to act as though the Cain smears have much to do with Perry. That smear itself is a major reason a lot of people aren’t being very generous to Cain.

    Yeah, EPWJ prefers Perry. But most Perry fans I know do have much faith in these attempts to smear Cain.

    In my opinion, when someone runs for president, there will be tremendous incentive for a lot of people to screw that up. I think this kind of problem will affect non-politicians like Cain more than career politicians like Perry and Romney (17 years is a career). Cain didn’t even handle some of the other legal settlements personally… obviously he had no idea how this would play out.

    As far as I’m concerned, and I’m a Perry fan, btw, there are much more important factors to consider when evaluating whether Cain would govern with skill and conservatism. I think he’s better than most of the other candidates, but not someone I’m ready to rely on for this tremendous task.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  207. And I’m not attempting to defend EPWJ’s comments. They are just as bad as another commenter’s assertion that Gardasil was the perverted needle of sex, or another commenter’s linking truther claims that Perry is a bilderberger eugenicist.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  208. But most Perry fans I know do have much faith in these attempts to smear Cain.

    CRAP, I meant they DON’T have much faith in these MSM smears.

    Anyway, they are not as important as the real matters of how these men would govern, and it is so predictable that any conservative will be smeared. Most of my pals are either Newt or Perry fans, and zero of them seem to think Cain is some kind of sleazy guy just because the media wants us to believe it.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  209. “They are just as bad as another commenter’s assertion that Gardasil was the perverted needle of sex, or another commenter’s linking truther claims that Perry is a bilderberger eugenicist.”

    Dustin – Grow up. EPWJ’s comments were serious. Your inability to detect hyperbole and sarcasm is your issue, not mine.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  210. Oh yeah, and Perry responded to these smears with a ton of class, saying there’s nothing to talk about and we should talk about issues.

    That’s much more generous than some, including Cain, were to Perry, but class doesn’t work that way. This may just be a Texas thing (a Republican running for governor BOMBED when he wouldn’t shake Ann Richard’s hand once), but this is why I think it’s particularly unfair for folks to attribute to Perry or his supporters something from an isolated supporter that some seem to think is some kind of moby.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  211. Dustin – Grow up. EPWJ’s comments were serious. Your inability to detect hyperbole and sarcasm is your issue, not mine.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 11/30/2011 @ 5:26 pm

    You went on and on with a large number of sleazy comments about Perry and even about myself. Homosexuality, gardasil being a sign Perry is a pervert, that Perry is chicago level corrupt.

    Yes, you then explained this was justified because of EPWJ’s support for Perry.

    I disagree.

    You have been relentless.

    And no, a lot of that wasn’t sarcasm. You were smearing the guy. You know it.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  212. And anyway, the comments you left were just as bad as EPWJ’s.

    Eric would almost certainly admit much of his commentary is also hyperbole. I would say that he’s still making trashy and untrue comments he can’t defend with the facts. This is something you and EPWJ have in common, but then, you are the one who justified your honesty by saying it’s tit for tat with someone you think is dishonest.

    You shouldn’t do that anymore, if you want my respect, which clearly you do not.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  213. Well Dustin, I hate to go back a year and some months back, but the argument was made in many quarters, that a certain candidate was beyond
    the pale, even though many of her negatives turned
    out to be exaggerated, The lesson that is being taught, is be as corrupt, arrogant, and insincere
    as possible, because if one has any integrity, they
    will be savaged unmercifully, specially by those who should know better.

    narciso (87e966)

  214. I invite Daleyrocks to show me, by example, what he means by ‘grown up’. Hint: repeatedly whispering that other commenters and candidates are gay perverts might be less grown up than someone lamenting such trashy behavior.

    But I didn’t name Daleyrocks (I just said ‘a commenter’) because, frankly, it’s the internet and there are a lot of old angry people who use it as an outlet, so why hold a grudge? When I take it personally, that’s a mistake on my part.

    My point wasn’t to attack Daley or I would have named him. My point was that some Romney fans have also said this kind of thing. I think it’s a sign of the times, more than a sign of the candidates.

    It’s not personal, Daley. I think you’re letting EPWJ affect you too much. I’m not perfect in that regard either… I’m constantly feeding trolls.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  215. I hate to go back a year and some months back, but the argument was made in many quarters, that a certain candidate was beyond
    the pale, even though many of her negatives turned
    out to be exaggerated, T

    Yes, Palin would probably be looking very, very appealing right now. Perfect? No. Ready? Arguably, no. Compared to this crew, she would easily be one of my top two choices, and if she handled the debates well, my top choice.

    Hindsight.

    I think Palin would have run had Perry not. They kinda overlap in a few ways. I think Perry overestimated how he’d perform, but there’s no going back at this point.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  216. “You went on and on with a large number of sleazy comments about Perry and even about myself. Homosexuality, gardasil being a sign Perry is a pervert, that Perry is chicago level corrupt.”

    Dustin – I started due to EPWJ’s dishonest attacks on Palin.

    “You went on and on with a large number of sleazy comments about Perry and even about myself.”

    I started actually researching Perry due to your baseless and dishonest attacks on Romney. You can trace that back to the thread where you claimed Romney had no character because he had no character building experiences in his life. You denied saying it, but I cut and pasted the comment.

    I gone to great detail to show the dishonest comparisons you were making between Texas statistics and Massachusetts. If you want to talk about flip flops and other stuff, I’m fine with that, but when you verge into EPWJ level dishonesty to smear a Republican candidate like you have, I can’t stay quiet.

    You are relentless in your smearing of Romney while attempting to cloak yourself in the mantle of facts and objectivity. That pose is a joke.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  217. The lesson that is being taught, is be as corrupt, arrogant, and insincere
    as possible,

    This is almost verbatim what I said to a friend over lunch today.

    The best way to handle politics is to just flip flop a lot. I am shocked, but yeah, this works.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  218. “Eric would almost certainly admit much of his commentary is also hyperbole.”

    Dustin – Sure, ask him to do that please.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  219. “I disagree.

    You have been relentless.”

    Really? Really.

    Go back to September and early October and look at some threads. This place should have been renamed Dustin’s Pontifications. It was pure Romney hate all the time between you and EPWJ and retire05.

    Get serious.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  220. Well I wasn’t directly referring to her, but another. And no I don’t think it was an accident, that in the aftermath of Tucson, Bachmann sought
    to appropriate the leadership of the Tea Party, the
    same for Perry, he supposedly wasn’t interested in running, that’s why he was writing ‘Fed UP’, correct.

    narciso (87e966)

  221. Eric would almost certainly admit much of his commentary is also hyperbole

    Not a freaking chance in hell

    JD (318f81)

  222. I started due to EPWJ’s dishonest attacks on Palin.

    I know. And I understand your frustration.

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. When you smear Perry, that’s not justified just because EPWJ likes PErry.

    Think about it.

    I could smear Romney… I can’t stand the idea of him being the nominee, but I don’t. I do harshly criticize him, but I’m as honest as I can be about it. If there’s a flaw or leap of faith in my argument, I’ll acknowledge it. I admit my bias. I also note where I think Romney is good and where Perry is not.

    I have seen you get angry for years now. I am hardly able to cast stones from my glass house on that. I think you’re letting EPWJ affect you too much if that you think it justifies some of the attacks you’ve made, even if you think they are hyperbole (which is how I’ve read many of EPWJ and your comments, which are trashy for the same reasons).

    Anyway, you’re just some stranger on the internet, and I don’t take it personally, but you don’t seem to enjoy these exchanged very much.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  223. This is a painful to watch and unedifying little campaign Team R has got going so far.

    Cain has now joined Perry (bless his heart) and Bachmann as the candidates what are gonna come out of this in substantially worse shape than when they started.

    Gingrich is the only one what’s made lemonade, except, perhaps, arguably, Paul.

    Huntsman and Romney still have their same respective ceilings they started with.

    Santorum is as irrelevant as ever.

    Maybe if they all got together and had another debate?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  224. Not a freaking chance in hell

    Comment by JD — 11/30/2011 @ 5:51 pm

    Then he is insane. I may be giving him too much credit, but when he calls Cain a sexual predator, I assume he knows he’s taking the idea of a harasser (I don’t think Cain is one of these either) to another level for attention.

    I don’t know what to make of EPWJ. I used to think he was a moby. Then I thought he’s got some good ideas that he defends by crossing the line, which convinces no one. Now, I can’t offer a defense, but at least hope he realizes… this stuff isn’t true.

    Either way, I don’t think replying with tit for tat is the best way to handle it. Maybe that’s even what EPWJ was hoping for.

    Anyway, this isn’t a representative of any Perry supporter I know. That was my only point. I hope people aren’t interpreting my comment as a defense of EPWJ’s attacks on folks.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  225. It will be a cold day in hell I take Judge Frollo Huntsman seriously.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  226. Dustin – sexual predator pales in comparison to the other things he called Cain – rapist. Person that compared republicans to Klansmen. Etc …. If he was using hyperbole, he would have said so, or would have corrected when called out on it time after time after time after time ….

    JD (318f81)

  227. You like crony capitalism, influence-peddling and a candidate who can’t think on his feet, Rick Perry is your sort of candidate.

    ColonelHaiku (d838e0)

  228. uh forgot to add before in their sorry.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  229. Perry is good for Texas. He, unfortunately, is not presidential material. Sterner stuff is needed.

    ColonelHaiku (d838e0)

  230. Herman Cain, your fails are more delicious than your pizzas. Don’t ever get off the Cain train folks.

    cmaggs (e66acd)

  231. “cmaggs” is a pathetic drive-by.

    JD (318f81)

  232. Mr. Colonel you were right about Governor Rick

    whereas I was wrong

    drats.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  233. Dustin

    My comment about Cain being a sexual predator was sarc – it was obvious sarc – but in people’s faux outrage they stood by and watched you smeared viciously by several including sex acts

    This pack of borish buffoons seem to only want to talk and demand roof when its all out there – 5 women now?

    I dare you to say something that they dont agree with – watch what they do and say

    They even attacked DRJ and they are still standing by because thats how they roll

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  234. It was not at all obvious sarc. You previously accused him of rape. Dustin just gave you a way out, and now you are going to try to walk back your idiocy. No, there are not 5 women now. Another one of your lies.

    They even attacked DRJ?!?! Are you f@cking kidding me?!?!?!?! You got put into moderation for repeatedly lying about her.

    JD (318f81)

  235. JD, I will vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. I’d like it to be Romney, because I believe he has a much better chance of beating Obama than any of the other candidates, including Gingrich. But however it plays out, I will vote for the person who will rid this nation of the worst walking disaster that has ever been visited upon us.

    That nominee will most certainly not be Rick Perry.

    ColonelHaiku (d838e0)

  236. and the Purity of Essence people who would rather win a battle than a war will have only themselves to blame if – in a fit of petulance – they choose to stay home and sit on their hands rather than vote.

    ColonelHaiku (d838e0)

  237. the only raping going on is the raping what happens when Obama gets near the treasury or the constitution

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  238. Spoken like the loyal member of the 27% we all know you to be Colonel.

    And I have to concur, it will be the Mormon.

    None of the non-Romney candidates seem to have the staying power or the necessary gravitas to beat the seasoned Presidential campaigner.

    So a 2nd term for Obama seems inevitable.

    Spartacvs (da2b4e)

  239. and I demand roof, pee wee!

    ColonelHaiku (d838e0)

  240. I don’t see how it can possibly be Romney once the not-Romneys start bowing out after Iowa

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  241. Great quote from the current ‘front runner':

    “One of the real changes that comes when you start running for president — as opposed to being an analyst on Fox — is I have to actually know what I’m talking about.”

    Ding, ding.

    Spartacvs (da2b4e)

  242. was that a dig at that Sarah Palin person?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  243. You like flip-flopping,Amnesty and hair Romney is your guy.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  244. Spartacvs go eff your sister.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  245. hopeandchange fervor
    common sense not so common
    in Spvrtlandia

    ColonelHaiku (d838e0)

  246. for chrissakes, spvrty… when you’ve lost a fevered m00nbat like Tina Brown, retirement is on the near horizon.

    ColonelHaiku (d838e0)

  247. Quit being a bytch spartacvs.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  248. “Let’s go back to square one. The purpose of American immigration laws and policies is not to be either humane or inhumane to illegal immigrants. The purpose of immigration laws and policies is to serve the national interest of this country.

    There is no inherent right to come live in the United States, in disregard of whether the American people want you here. Nor does the passage of time confer any such right retroactively.”

    – Dr. Thomas Sowell, saying what he thinks about Newt Gingrich’s candid opinion

    ColonelHaiku (d838e0)

  249. Cain accuser served with eviction papers for back rent. Who is paying Gloria Allred’s fees?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-eviction-papers-served-in-glenview-on-cain-accuser-for-7500-back-rent-20111130,0,3137453.story

    elissa (fa047c)

  250. That is racist, Elissa. Klansman-esque.

    JD (318f81)

  251. “You went on and on with a large number of sleazy comments about Perry and even about myself. Homosexuality, gardasil being a sign Perry is a pervert, that Perry is chicago level corrupt.”

    “I think you’re letting EPWJ affect you too much if that you think it justifies some of the attacks you’ve made, even if you think they are hyperbole”

    Dustin – I think it would be helpful if you actually had the balls to show some of the comments you allude to and the context in which they were made rather than just alluding to them. I have no problem owning my comments on this site.

    They began on the 9/13/11 thread discussing the 9/12/11 Republican debate, a large portion of which was unfortunately devoted to discussing the Gardasil controversy.

    http://patterico.com/2011/09/13/last-nights-debate/#comments

    The discussion was relatively cordial although it got heated over allegations of crony capitalism by Palin and Bachmann. In fact, you even agreed with my recommendation for Perry:

    ” 248. That you thought the Washington Post wouldn’t go there?

    Comment by ian cormac — 9/14/2011 @ 9:13 am

    Oh.

    Well of course this is predictable. I mean, Palin is exhibit A on what threats to the left can expect in the media.

    Daleyrocks is 100% right in #248. I can whine about Bachmann and Palin all damn day, but Perry is running for president and needs to personally clarify this matter. It’s one thing that he’s convinced someone like me, who is biased in his favor, and another entirely that he resolves this for intellectually honest conservatives who just can’t sort through it all.

    I was pleased when he glanced over and noted something Bachmann said offended his honor. Apparently that’s not enough, though. :)

    Dustin – Thank you for the correction.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 9/14/2011 @ 9:12 am

    He still was very misguided to use the EO that way. He wouldn’t have if he thought the leg was going to pass the measure (I assume). So your argument still holds water.

    Comment by Dustin — 9/14/2011 @ 9:26 am”

    Then a little fly in the ointment appeared:

    283. Yo!

    Once the doctors weigh in on the terrible deaths women suffer from cervical cancer and the “honest” facts of the case come out then those who were thinking this was an overreach are going to be thinking that they were dupred by opportunist politicians

    If you followed the Gardisil controversy – page by page – day by day

    Some of you might come to a different conclusion about the mandate

    Most of the initial protests were was about the costs and the fact it couldnt be done in one visit causing parents to have to take precious time off to get the shots administered as most parents are a two income household and doctors dont have weekend or evening hours anymore.

    It was state senator Dan Patrick a born again 2nd Baptist friend of Tom Delay Radio Talk Show Host who on the floor of the state senate raised the emotional religious having sex issue.. the reason Dan did it was that Perry was quietly supported in both houses and in both Parties for protecting women from certain unavoidable death as the actual contraction of HPV by the male is still largely debateable.

    Dan Patricks top radio hosts at the time were Pat Grey (Glenn Becks best friend and now partner) and local restauranteur and Laura Ingraham guest host Edd Hendee – who is a personal friend of mine – Edd who is a formidable individual, shouted it to the mountain top – it was picked up by the Chronicle (who BTW Cant stand me, Edd and Pat ever since we fought those billion dollar stadium referendums under uncle Bob’s tenure as Houston Mayor) when the Chronicle has been on a 16 year tear to rid Texas of Perry ever since he sent the Democrat’s Rush Limbaugh to the ash heap of political losers.. John Sharp

    On this issue – I totally disagreed with Edd and Pat, Edd honestly believed it was an overreach and Edd hates Perry personally and publically and was I think one of the campaign managers for Kay and talked her into running against Perry. Dan did it purely for political profit – Dan wants to be governor so he shouted from the pulpit of righteous indignation – and only in Texas – would a cure for cancer be considered a sin – which scared every other governor from even mentioning to women that even if they are monogamous can even in a monogamous marriage contract the virus from the husbands – unless they have this immunizations as a developing woman.

    Oh well, lets kill women by denying them a cure for cancer for political gain.

    It really surprized me that momma grizzly wants cancer to eat her female cubs

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 9/14/2011 @ 11:22 am”

    EPWJ was immediately asked to back up his claims about Palin and of course could not.

    303. Daley

    Palin said that the vaccine was dangerous on Fox news when she knew it wasnt

    Either she lied or she was just wrong

    But she said it to cast a knowlingly false claim against Perry

    But you are a Palin apologist – I dont expect you to do anything but harass anyone who doesnt worship at her altar

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 9/14/2011 @ 2:29 pm”

    All the above is false or a smokescreen because he can’t defend his lies. Typical EPWJ claim.

    “345 “She grew up in a union household, married a union organizer slash union manager slash oil field worker and generally has moderate to mildly lefty views on everything.”

    EPWJ – Cute when you do the guilt by association smears. Like saying Mitt Romney got everything in his life through his family connections with no proof on your part.

    How about Rick Perry’s Democrat past. Fer chrissakes, he ran Al Gore’s Texas campaign in 1988. How the hell can we trust somebody who was that close to Captain Planet? He’s probably a secret ecotard or something and we’ll all be driving Fred Flintstone electric cars if he gets elected president. He’s a real Manchurian Candidate.

    Your style is easy to imitate EPWJ.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 9/14/2011 @ 8:16 pm”

    I even signal above what I am doing for people who have broken hyperbole and sarcasm detection meters and do it again later in the thread. Some people later claim they could not understand what was going on but never provide the context. Hmmmmmm.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  252. Clean up on aisle 244 and 247.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  253. Cain says he will talk with his wife about his 13-year friendship with a woman when he gets back home on Friday. (soundbite from some interview quoted on CBS Evening News)

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  254. Sorry, I think that was maybe NBC.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  255. Cain’s wife didn’t know he was giving Ginger White money (not a legal problem – he wasn’t up for Senate confirmation for something)

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  256. What Sammy said. Giving money over a prolonged period to a female acquaintance without wife knowing about it, if indeed true over the next 24 hours, does not look good and is not wise, even if purity of motive and behvaior.

    It’s still hard for me to fathom running for president with bombshell skeletons in one’s closet, at least if you’re conservative. Some say one has to be narcissistic to some degree to run for president, maybe so.

    MD in Philly (83d172)

  257. I think you’re right about candidates’ egos, MD. In addition, these stories didn’t come out when Cain ran for the Georgia Senate seat so maybe he thought they wouldn’t come out now. Or maybe he never imagined he’d be more than a second or third tier candidate and no one would care.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  258. Giving money over a prolonged period to a female acquaintance without wife knowing about it, if indeed true over the next 24 hours, does not look good and is not wise, even if purity of motive and behvaior.

    I’m not convinced that one can honestly have purity of motive if they are keeping secret from their wife a relationship with another woman – whether or not sex was involved.

    How would Herman view it if his wife had a relationship with another man – no sex involved – and she was financially helping him without Herman’s knowledge?

    Dana (4eca6e)

  259. DRJ

    He, like Obama, was never serious about it, never dreamed that they would have/had the success that they did.

    Also there are more women, according to Cain

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  260. Also there are more women, according to Cain

    To be clear, he stated that he has helped other women – and men – financially.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  261. Dana – facts make no difference to the one you are responding to.

    JD (318f81)

  262. Dana

    yeah, he also said no one really got a settlement either…

    he also said Perry was behind it

    yeah, I’ve got a bridge over a swamp with an ocean view….

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  263. I agree with you on the fact him blaming Perry is hideous but your a loathesome cur.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  264. Dana at #264

    I agree with you. I was trying to say that even if one gave Cain “the benefit of a doubt” to an irrational and unwarranted degree, it was not at all good and not the kind of move a president can be allowed. “Best case” would be he had no ulterior motive but simply thought “his wife wouldn’t understand”. Again, that is not a good scenario still for a president, but potentially more easily forgiven by family.

    I guess it is possible that a person thinks the “skeletons in the closet” are all content to quietly remain in the closet- still a foolish idea but less pathological.

    But then again, knowing what some heroes of the public, such as anyone with the last name of Kennedy, have gotten away with, there is at least precedent for someone thinking they could get away with it.

    Again, not making excuses, just trying to make sense of it without simply saying, “Idiots!!”

    MD in Philly (83d172)

  265. Doh,
    Consider this, Cain is a smart detail orientated guy. To accept the premise that in a very small organization that he was responsible for, that he was unaware of the complaints, is very had to swallow.
    Getting past that, the limo ride and the accusation that he groped a woman, carefully explained away, to quickly, the information on this woman was there – had to be – for months – within literally hours we knew the past of this woman including other tenants in the building she lived in for what – a few weeks?
    Okay going on past all that, then Gingerly, Cain, is now with having to admit some kind of personal secret long term relationship, that his wife didn’t know.

    Okay????

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  266. He is a rapist.

    JD (318f81)

  267. Probably a terrorist.

    Simon Jester (5e1cd2)

  268. Prolly a tax and spend liberal.

    JD (318f81)

  269. Cain prolly had sex with Nikki Haley.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  270. Well that would be the way, Sean Connery, would say it, JD.

    narciso (87e966)

  271. Celebrities who support the NRA like Charleston Heston deserve to die.

    /Liberals who get all outraged when a nazi war crminal died

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  272. And yes I love how people show no remorse for people dying unless they share the same policies as them…………..Liberals I mean you.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)


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