Patterico's Pontifications

Bonus points if people can avoid sniping at one another!

Patterico (f724ca) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:02 pm

Wonder what the big story of tonight’s debate will be?

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:05 pm

Wait a minute… what the… well, there it is. I just shed a tear for Dustin’s Broken Dream.

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:06 pm

I missed it to cause it wasn’t online

I really think we need to start a write-in campaign for Mr. Daniels

his wife can go to Fiji for four years or something

eat tasty Fiji food and catch up on reading or whatever

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:06 pm

*too* I mean

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:07 pm

Wonder what the big story of tonight’s debate will be?

I’m guessing you want me to say Perry screwing up the which department do I eliminate bit. Which is all I have seen so far in a quick online browsing. Well, that and Cain being asked about the thing.

Patterico (f724ca) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:10 pm

“the thing.” LOL That’s funny.

Anita Busch (a025dd) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:24 pm

I see Colonel did not read comment number uno.

Off topic, but I just watched the Bialek interview. Couple her giggly demeanor, Allred, Axelrod, and the pattern Elissa pointed out, and it is less and less likely that she is even close to being honest. No wonder epwj hearts her.

JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:24 pm

I find them both credible.

Anita Busch (a025dd) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:27 pm

Sorry, Ms. Busch, they are both litiGATORS with voracious appetites for 1) attention and 2) money.

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:29 pm

“Mess in Michigan”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6an4zSj8LhU

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:30 pm

I am shocked that Anita supports unsubstantiated decades after the not-fact smears against a candidate that the left hates.

JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:31 pm

Everyone who has ever had, or will ever have a brainfart is hereby disqualified from ever being President.

JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:32 pm

http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/11/most-brutal-debate-video-and-tweets-ever/

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:35 pm

Good Allah.

JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:36 pm

I apologize, Patterico. I am going to take off, quit sniping. Colonel can continue to do so.

JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:37 pm

Rick Perry will continue being a good governor Of Tejas.

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:40 pm

I didn’t see the debate but I saw the Perry clip and I’d say that does it for him, although I also doubt he will quit. It’s a shame in a way, but it’s also good because that’s what vetting is for.

DRJ (a83b8b) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:42 pm

I skipped it – had one kid in the hospital early this morning (she’s fine – back at school) so I didnt have the energy to watch the same canned answers to the same snarky questions

Afer I saw who was going to moderate this debate – I realized tha Romney and Cain were going to be smooth talkers and thats all what many pundits are wanting as if its going to matter against Obama

Everyone knows, there is only one candidate that can beat Obama. And he wont debate him, no reason to, not with a greek chorus like we’ve seen in these debates

So people are calling for his head – eh its not the first time – wont be the last either

EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:45 pm

I hope your child is well, epwj.

JD (9f5519) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:48 pm

Bring me the head of Alfredo Johnson!

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:48 pm

thanks JD, she should be fine – she is pre med and they are keeping a close eye on her – but thanks i appreciate it alot

EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:55 pm

I didn’t see the debate but I saw the Perry clip and I’d say that does it for him, although I also doubt he will quit. It’s a shame in a way, but it’s also good because that’s what vetting is for.

I like the guy. He would be way better than Obama. But I worry about how he would melt down in a debate with Obama.

I think we’re probably stuck with this Romney guy. It sucks but he will be better than Obama and especially will nominate better judges.

Patterico (f724ca) — 11/9/2011 @ 7:57 pm

Be nice to see a thread about Penn State Football and Joe Paterno.

ODB (0f13a8) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:03 pm

Yeah, probably I should do one, huh?

Patterico (f724ca) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:06 pm

Brutal debate clip @14 Colonel.

Comment from that thread:

“Perry may be the greatest candidate who never was. He hit the ground running; with his face…”

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:09 pm

Perry fades, Newt picks up steam. Romney might take it, seems to be favored but Newt is still the smartest man in the room and the one to very easily take down Obama in a debate.

Dana (4eca6e) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:09 pm

It is a big story for anyone who like College FB if you ask me.

ODB (0f13a8) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:09 pm

I just put one up. I agree it’s a big story.

Patterico (f724ca) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:10 pm

#27 Newt is a bad administrator however. Kind of like Obambi allegedly. Big ideas. No attention to details.

ODB (0f13a8) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:10 pm

“Newt is still the smartest man in the room”

Dana – Completely agree. Watch for media attacks on Newt to ramp up if his numbers continue to climb.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:11 pm

“#27 Newt is a bad administrator however.”

ODB – Please explain.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:13 pm

Another Aggie starts out with a big lead and blows it in the third quarter.

I’m not surprised.

Ag80 (ec45d6) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:16 pm

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I find them both credible.

If you have left-leaning biases, you shouldn’t be too confident in your perceptions of people and human nature overall. Leftists have a knack for being ass-backwards in judging the good and bad in people, the good and bad in situations, and, worse of all, even transposing those two groups.

The more I hear and learn about at least 3 of Cain’s accusers, the more skeptical I become about them. And if it turns out they’re all of the left, or tend to give way too much latitude to liberals and “progressivism,” then I’ll really believe they’re phonies, hucksters and fools.

Mark (411533) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:20 pm

Ok two sexual harassment sluts walk into a bar and the bartender says what’re you having?

And then nothing really happens to speak of you know how it is in bars blah blah blah.

Then fifteen years later the bartender turns on the tv and finds out he’s a dirty pervert what likes to prey on the white womens.

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:20 pm

#32, my understanding from press reports back in the day is that he was not a very effective speaker. he had difficulty reigning in the party and getting them to deliver votes and compromise to move legislation along. Big brain but as with many intellectuals does not do well with the meat grinder of getting the cattle to move towards the lusher grasses. Some folks blame Newt for Ross Perot II, Bob Dole and losing in 1996 when it was possible to pull out a win…. and it came from the perception he did not manage the House well. Heck, hasn’t he been bashed for how he is running his campaign?

With that said, I like Newt better than all except Rick Santorum. Santorum is my guy.

ODB (0f13a8) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:21 pm

#33, LOL. That is so funny and so true. A&M could be number #2 in the country if they would just hold on to those damn leads!

ODB (0f13a8) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:22 pm

#35, Where is Gloria Allred in this joke?

ODB (0f13a8) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:26 pm

Completely agree. Watch for media attacks on Newt to ramp up if his numbers continue to climb.

The upside is whatever skeletons are there, have long since been exposed. He’s been completely vetted, thus no surprises… of course he’ll take heat for his marital failings. That still bothers me. And yet, Obama is a seemingly very loyal husband, faithful and devoted to Michelle in every way, and yet he’s an awful president. Therefore, marital fidelity and devotion by itself is not the only measuring stick to use for a candidate. I do think, however, that it speaks to character.

As I recall, Newt converted to Catholicism and denounced his previous behavior in that department.

Dana (4eca6e) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:27 pm

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Big brain but as with many intellectuals does not do well with the meat grinder

The shabby way he treated his former wife several years ago — and the hubris that must have accompanied that, knowing full well he was in the glare of the public spotlight — and, then as sort of a topper, his recent snipping at cultural conservatives/conservatism, combined with his crabby-uncle looks and demeanor (ie, admittedly purely superficial characteristics) makes me wary about him. Of course, if he’s the Republican nominee, I’ll still vote for him in a nano-second over President “Goddamn America.”

Mark (411533) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:30 pm

==And yet, Obama is a seemingly very loyal husband, faithful and devoted to Michelle ==

Dana–please keep in mind that he is “seemingly” a lot of things according to the media that insightful people suspect or actually know not to be true. Just sayin’.

elissa (57611d) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:31 pm

#41, No dirty-dirty chics are interested in cigarettes but cigars are a whole other story.

ODB (0f13a8) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:34 pm

#40 At least Newt fights for the right things. He shoots off at the mouth sometimes but we all do if we have any fight in us.

Tell you what, he is more interesting than Mr Harvard / Bain / Daddy was a Governor / Did my mission works in farginnn’ FRANCE.

Please, I can’t take Romney.

ODB (0f13a8) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:37 pm

elissa, I’ve never read or heard anything that would lead me to believe he has been anything but faithful and devoted. Just as I give Rick Perry or Mitt Romney the benefit of the doubt in that arena, I give the president the same benefit.

Dana (4eca6e) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:39 pm

“And yet, Obama is a seemingly very loyal husband, faithful and devoted to Michelle”

elissa – The guys who run Hillbuzz have some interesting theories about that.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:44 pm

Well, Dana there was the whole Vera Baker kerfuffle. Who knows whether there was any truth to that. Lord knows the MSM wouldn’t deign to have a gander at it…

Gazzer (94138a) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:49 pm

Dana–Not to belabor it, but I’m from Chicago. I have heard things. Others commenting here have too. Just one more example of the many many ways the national media has not looked too carefully into his past (or present)– but do look under every rock if it’s a rumor about Palin or Cain or Perry. I’ll leave it at that for now, but I know you are good at Google.

elissa (57611d) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:50 pm

Obama has not been vetted. His past has been airbrushed.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/9/2011 @ 8:55 pm

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Well, Dana there was the whole Vera Baker kerfuffle.

FWIW, I read Obama possibly has dabbled in bisexual/homosexual activity. If so, that would make him hip and cool in today’s culture. In this era of “Goddamn America,” we’re moving to a moment when it will be oh-so-touching if a future president is a cross-dresser married to both a dude and chick.

I’m being very flip and sarcastic because current polls indicate Obama leads all prospective Republican candidates in a theoretical match-up. That suggests there are plenty of people in this nation who truly want to take the US and sail it away to the land of the damned.

Mark (411533) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:03 pm

My point is, *if* – and let’s assume that it is if…if he has been loyal and devoted, has it made him any better of a president? Is that a gauge we want to use? Newt has been unfaithful and disloyal in his marriage, but is that a reason to rule him out?

Again, this is the smartest man in the room, most experienced, fully knowledgeable about how it’s played in the beltway and is not a novice at policy of any kind. Yet he has behaved immorally and unfaithfully.

The reason I’m interested in this is because I have always held that one’s character is what defines the person. And as we look at our choice for the nominee, the one that appeals most to me is the one who has revealed the weaker character. It’s an interesting conundrum.

Dana (4eca6e) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:05 pm

Dana–Newt has had multiple marriages and made some other mistakes. I have come to understand that some of the more salacious accounts of his affairs and divorces have been purposely over-hyped and exaggerated, then hawked ad nauseum by his enemies till they have become accepted conventional wisdom. His daughter Jackie has repeatedly debunked the hospital bed/cancer/divorce story about her parents for example, yet most people still think it happened.

His children apparently love him and he and his current wife look to be solid. He has a brilliant mind, a wide range of practical knowledge, and is an excellent communicator. Like a lot of politicians he has a pretty high opinion of himself that sometimes comes out as arrogance. Factoring in all that data, I have no problem seeing him as president should he be one of the finalists.

elissa (57611d) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:32 pm

America doesn’t need to be all too precious about character issues I think – countries with good character don’t become whorishly indebted laughingstocks –

No. America just needs an adult with no particular hairstyle what is honest about the spendings and can be trusted not to indulge in grandiose expansions of government.

happyfeet (3c92a1) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:35 pm

…Bob Dole and losing in 1996 when it was possible to pull out a win
Utterly no one to blame for Bob Dole losing than Bob Dole. That’s what happens when you run a dead man for President against a live one.

Kevin M (563f77) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:48 pm

What I like about Newt is that he is able to explain a complex subject clearly and without talking down to his audience. He treats them as adult electors, rather than tall children, and he doesn’t play gotcha games.

He’s also willing to admit mistakes rather than evading responsibility; this sometimes makes him an easy target, but only for a moment. It’s hard to beat up a guy when he admits the error.

I followed his rise and victory in ’94 and it was indeed Phase 2 of the Reagan Revolution. He won some and lost some, and had some poor moments, but we had the Congress for over a decade and that counts for something.

There is no one who I would rather see at the helm of Phase 3: Newt knows what was tried, what worked, who buried what bodies where, and how to work with Congress as a team. And he knows what is wrong and has spent a lot of time thinking about how to fix it.

Ron Paul says the words about cutting government, but Newt could actually get it done.

Lastly, he can unite the party in a way that Romney cannot.

Kevin M (563f77) — 11/9/2011 @ 9:57 pm

Utterly no one to blame for Bob Dole losing than Bob Dole. That’s what happens when you run a dead man for President against a live one.

I honestly had no preference between Dole and Clinton; I didn’t care even slightly which of them won, so I voted for Harry Browne instead. And even in hindsight I haven’t changed my mind. I do not believe Dole would have been any better or worse a president than Clinton.

Milhouse (ea66e3) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:29 pm

Drudge’s clip on Perry is the final straw. We cannot run a guy who will get his ass wupped in the debate with Obama. We cannot run a guy who has the sexual habits of a Democrat.

AZ Bob (26b8e0) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:43 pm

No leaders.

One losing ‘uh’ traction: Citizen Cain
One lost in ‘uh’ fog: uh… uh… uh… Perry

Honorable mentions: Lincoln, Douglas, Princess Nancy, Ronald Reagan

Big winners: EPA, ESPN, caffeine
Big losers: Joepa, ’30 Rock’ syndie blocks, decaf

DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:47 pm

Cronkite not biased?

Good one dearies.

He was the worlds biggest useful idiot.

By the way DCSCA go funk yourself.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/9/2011 @ 10:50 pm

IMP is a clown. Barcky says uh huh um uh huh um uh huh um uh uh huh huh more before breakfast than anyone on that stage tonight. No leaders? Care to explain Teh One’s leadership skills, and how they have been demonstrated by his competency in office? Didn’t think so.

JD (2c2b3f) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:13 pm

The great thing about Perry is his self deprecation. Immediately after this debate, he totally fessed up that he dropped a bollock. NO-ONE does that in politics. No-one. Plus, nobody watches these debates except MSM lackies looking for “gotcha” moments.
My puppy could debate Barry. This is not a high bar.

Gazzer (8d55f3) — 11/9/2011 @ 11:31 pm

Perry’s stumble didn’t look as bad as his failed attempt to fix his stumble. What was really surprising was that he couldn’t just say something believable (e.g. HUD) even if he couldn’t think of DoE. Or just named two and talked on. Gawd only knows that Romney would have (and may have and no one noticed).

Perry’s problem is that he’s not very quick, and that’s pretty fatal in a system that includes television. And a LOT more important than whether a candidate may have flirted with a humorless co-worker.

Kevin M (563f77) — 11/10/2011 @ 12:54 am

so I voted for Harry Browne instead

I gave money to Harry Browne.

Kevin M (563f77) — 11/10/2011 @ 12:55 am

Comment by Mark — 11/9/2011 @ 8:30 pm

You mean the “shabby” way he treated his wife, in the hospital – who had already filed divorce papers AGAINST HIM – by bringing her children to visit her, while she was there for treatment of a non life-threatening disorder?
Is that the “shabby” way, as described in the book by her daughter, that you’re talking about?

Or, are you just talking about his playing around (and a version of “serial monogamy” – after all, it was just about sex), which seems to be de rigueur among members of that generation’s politicians (“Damn, you kept that dress – un-laundered?”)?

AD-RtR/OS! (0345ac) — 11/10/2011 @ 10:13 am

“I gave money to Harry Browne.”

I spent my money on something useful, booze, instead of wasting it on Harry Browne.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/10/2011 @ 10:20 am

Has anyone heard from Dustin? I fear for his personal safety.

Dustin?!?!… if you are out there, lurking… hope is not lost, your family needs you! Your future’s so bright, you gotta wear shades!

Besides, I’m told they work well to hide eyes that are swollen from shedding the tears.

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/10/2011 @ 12:25 pm

Ah, we were making so much progress, on the Cain front, he had a momentary flub, about something he
definitely knew about. Reading Yergin’s the Quest, he gave no real insight into why they set that department in the first place,

Meanwhile, these are not the droids you’re looking
for:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/kagan-tribe-day-obamacare-passed-i-hear-they-have-votes-larry-simply-amazing

narciso (0fc95f) — 11/10/2011 @ 12:29 pm

The Mike Castle supporters are pushing ‘Romney inevitable’ so we can all forget about POTUS and focus on the Senate.

Might as well corner one third of Federal government.

gary gulrud (d88477) — 11/10/2011 @ 12:35 pm

56. But it’s just peachy to run a Democrat?

Newt’s looking pretty damn good, for an old fat guy: “Fire Bernanke”.

gary gulrud (d88477) — 11/10/2011 @ 12:37 pm

“I gave money to Harry Browne.”

I spent my money on something useful, booze, instead of wasting it on Harry Browne.

Browne’s campaign turned out afterwards to have been little more than a money-making scheme for himself and his cronies. Of the millions raised, only something like $20K was spent on actual election advertising. The rest went on fundraising expenses, “consulting fees”, campaign travel, etc. And his campaign appearances seemed geared more to sell his books than to solicit votes. Liberty magazine exposed most of this after the election, though as early as the convention where he was nominated, there was a slight whiff of corruption about the campaign. Certainly by the 2000 convention anyone who cared knew that Browne was a crook.

Milhouse (f8511c) — 11/10/2011 @ 1:08 pm

Romney is good looking I’ll give him that.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/10/2011 @ 1:14 pm

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150364849368435

narciso (0fc95f) — 11/10/2011 @ 1:15 pm

“Romney is good looking I’ll give him that.”

Comment by DohBiden

So… that unruly forelock did it for you, eh, Biden?

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/10/2011 @ 3:22 pm

ManCrush alert!!!

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/10/2011 @ 3:23 pm

Comment by Kevin M — 11/10/2011 @ 12:54 am

Perry’s stumble didn’t look as bad as his failed attempt to fix his stumble. What was really surprising was that he couldn’t just say something believable (e.g. HUD) even if he couldn’t think of DoE. Or just named two and talked on. Gawd only knows that Romney would have (and may have and no one noticed).

No, that wouldn’t be right. And if he was willing to do that he’d have accepted the answer of the EPA.

He didn’t even realize he wasn”t going to remember the list.

What he could have done is first, not give a number.

If he realized it further along, he could have explained why he wanted to eliminate one of the departments and then the other, and it would look like he’d run out of time. Or, if there was stiull time when he finished with the first two, he could have switched to another subject without finishing what he started to say. And maybe it would come back to him if he continued talking. In that case he could throw it in.

No doubt some of the other candidates have occasionally forgotten what they wanted to say. They just didn’t do it this way.

Rush Limbaugh I think indicated that this kind of thing happened with him. But Perry is not a trained broadcaster.

Perry’s problem is that he’s not very quick, and that’s pretty fatal in a system that includes television.

It’s also that it wasn’t his idea. It was just a list to him.

Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/10/2011 @ 3:32 pm

How does a competent guy forget the cornerstone of his proposal… ENERGY?!?!

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/10/2011 @ 3:33 pm

Transcript of the debate:

http://thepage.time.com/2011/11/10/cnbc-transcript-of-your-money-your-vote-republican-presidential-debate/

(As you can see by the date on the URL, this wasn’t put up till past midnight)

Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/10/2011 @ 3:34 pm

No it was his shiny smile.

And you gotta love the idiots who accused Herman Cain of selling out to whites accusing white people of criticizing Obama because he was black.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/10/2011 @ 3:44 pm

Transcript of The Republican Debate at the Reagan Library September 7, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/us/politics/08republican-debate-text.html?pagewanted=all

Transcript of the September 22, 2011 Fox_Google debate:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/us/politics/fox-news-google-republican-presidential-debate.html?pagewanted=all

Transcript of Bloomberg/Washington Post GOP Presidential Debate October 11, 2011 in Hanover New Hampshire (Economic Debate)

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/10/bloombergwashington_post_gop_p.html

Transcript of the CNN WRLC Western Republican Presidential Debate in Las Vegas on October 18.

http://politisite.com/2011/10/18/transcript-cnn-wrlc-western-republican-presidential-debate-las-vegas-october-18-2011-full-text/

Another transcript of the CNBC Republican debate at Oakland University in Rochester, MI on Wednesday, November 9, 2011.There was no live stream of that debate.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/11/cnbc_republican_debate_transcr.html

Also here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/us/politics/cnbc-your-money-your-vote-republican-presidential-debate.html?scp=1&sq=debate%20tranbscript&st=cse

Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/10/2011 @ 3:52 pm

Gotta love the members of the Soviet Obama crew calling their enemies mentally ill.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/10/2011 @ 3:58 pm

Transcript of Sept 7 2011 debate – according to a Chicago Tribune blog there are about 500 words misisng from the Roll call transcript for that debate taht was used by the New York times:

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2011/09/gop-debate-transcripts.html

Missing for instance is:

NEWT GINGRICH: Well, I’m frankly not interested in your effort to get Republicans fighting each other…. (applause) You have — you would like to puff this up into some giant thing. The fact is, every person up here understands Obamacare is a disaster. It is a disaster procedurally, it was rammed through after they lost Teddy Kennedy’s seat in Massachusetts, it was written badly, it was never reconciled. It can’t be implemented, it is killing this economy. And if this president had any concern for working Americans, he’d walk in Thursday night and ask us to repeal it because it’s a monstrosity. Every person up here agrees with that. (applause) Let me just say, since I still have a little time left, let me just say, I, for one, and I hope all of my friends up here, are going to repudiate every effort of the news media to get Republicans to fight each other to protect Barack Obama, who deserves to be defeated. And all of us are committed as a team. Whoever the nominee is, we are all for defeating Barack Obama.

Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/10/2011 @ 4:12 pm

It’s also that it wasn’t his idea. It was just a list to him.

May end up being one of the last items in his presidential campaign “bucket list”, Sammy.

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/10/2011 @ 4:21 pm

Future scheduled debates:

Nov 12 — 8 p.m., CBS News debate on foreign policy at Wofford College in Spartanburg, S.C.

[ That’s the one that’s on CBS!]

Nov 15 — 8 p.m., CNN debate sponsored by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute in Washington

Nov 30 — 8 p.m., CNN debate in Arizona *

December:

Dec 10 — 8 p.m., ABC News debate in Iowa

Dec 15 — 8 p.m., Fox News debate in Sioux City, Iowa

Dec 19 — 8 p.m., PBS/Des Moines Register debate in Johnston, Iowa

January 2012:

Date of the Iowa caucuses, Tuesday, Jan 3

Jan 7 — 9 p.m., ABC News debate in New Hampshire

Jan 8 — 9:30 a.m., “Meet the Press” debate on NBC

Date of the New Hampshire Primary: Tuesday, January 10

Jan 16 — 8 p.m., Fox News debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

Jan 19 — 8 p.m., CNN debate in Charleston, S.C.

date of the South Carolina primary: Sat. January 21

Jan 23 — 8 p.m., NBC News debate in Tampa, Fla.

Jan 26 — 8 p.m., CNN debate in Jacksonville, Fla.

Date of the Florida primary: Tuesday, Jan 31.

If 2008 is a precedent, more may be scheduled later if the media thinks the outcome is in doubt and campaigning is still going on, but it’ll be harder to get remaining candidates to agree.
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Fall 2012 debates scheduled by the Presidential Debate Commission:

Oct 2012:

Oct. 3 at the University of Denver

Oct. 11 Vice presidential debate is at Centre College in Danville, Ky.

Oct. 16 at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y.

Oct. 22 at Lynn University in Boca Raton, Fla.

Newt Gingrich wants Lincoln Douglas type debates.

His only hope of getting them would be to first do one or tywo with minor party candidates. In 1980, Ronald Reagan did a debate with John Anderson which got Jimmy Carter to agree to one debate right near the end of the campaign.

Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/10/2011 @ 4:36 pm

I still don’t understand what wa sthe matter with Bob Dole. He lost because of advertisements that were run in 1995 accusing him and Gingrich of wanting destructive budget cuts
but not in thge Washington, D.C., Los Angeles or New York media markets.

Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/10/2011 @ 4:38 pm

Obama strategy this year: Force Republicans to choose between destructive budget cuts (half to entitlements but tolerable, half to the military) or an increase in tax < rates .

They don’t want just revenue, they want an increase in the highest tax brackets. That undermines the whole premise of tax reform.

Obama is not interested in closing loopholes. He’s interested in increasing tax brackets. how much? Just enough to get the reoublicans to refuse. So little that it’ll make the Republicans seem petty.

It’ll hit the news around Thanksgiving.

The forthcoming military budget cuts will force Obama to bomb Iran before they take effect.

Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 11/10/2011 @ 4:42 pm

Profiling and Racial profiling are different deumbass leftys.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/10/2011 @ 4:44 pm

And notice how every black lefty accuses everyone of criticizing them of stereotyping them when that is not true?

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/10/2011 @ 4:45 pm

The great thing about Perry is his self deprecation. Immediately after this debate, he totally fessed up that he dropped a bollock. NO-ONE does that in politics. No-one. Plus, nobody watches these debates except MSM lackies looking for “gotcha” moments.
My puppy could debate Barry. This is not a high bar.

Comment by Gazzer — 11/9/2011 @ 11:31 pm

Good point.

Perry’s the real leader with the real record. He goofed, and those who are making a huge hysterical deal out of it are probably trying to select the slicked JFK style president instead of the one who will do a good job when showtime is over.

I like him more after this debate. The goof was painful to watch, but we all know by now Perry is poor at this debate stuff, and some of his competitors are poor at this leadership stuff. Why take your chances with the poor leaders, hoping they somehow recover?

Romney has less chance of turning around and succeeding as a government executive than Perry has of turning around and succeeding as a debater.

Dustin (cb3719) — 11/10/2011 @ 5:04 pm

I’m willing not knock him on something he obviously is quite aware of, Dustin, it’s like Romney forgetting how many years he had been married, or
more relevantly, not recalling a Supreme Court decision, that one had taken strong exception to;

http://classicalvalues.com/2011/11/her-silence-is-deafening/#comments

narciso (0fc95f) — 11/10/2011 @ 5:12 pm

“Almost immediately after what will probably be remembered as the Bill Buckner moment of primary debates, when Gov. Rick Perry of Texas literally forgot which governmental agencies he would cut and concluded his answer with a sheepish “Oops,” Mr. Perry’s stock on the betting market Intrade dropped in half. Tabbed as having about a 9 percent chance of winning the Republican nomination before the debate, the market revised his odds downward to 4 percent just moments after the gaffe.”

– Nate Silver

GeneralMalaise (09a0f9) — 11/10/2011 @ 6:52 pm

dumbass*

Iran wants to wipe out Israel from existence Lexhamfox keep on defending themselves you nazi scum.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/10/2011 @ 7:22 pm

Ah, Nate always one to miss the burnt forest for the trees, when Obama said his first priority in
the event of a mass casualty attack, was to make sure the first responders were notified, not actually target and strike back, was he so voluble, rhetorical question I know,

narciso (0fc95f) — 11/10/2011 @ 7:27 pm

Does the OWSers have lefty jewish support?

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/10/2011 @ 8:10 pm

The debates? Let me be succinct: Jon. Huntsman.

tifosa (4cb89e) — 11/10/2011 @ 8:55 pm

The masterbates? Let me be succinct: I’m upset that I wasn’t in the Limo with Obama.

😀 FIFY tifosa.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/10/2011 @ 9:05 pm

aww DohBiden, you need to share your fantasies?

tifosa (4cb89e) — 11/10/2011 @ 9:18 pm

The President of the United States needs to be able to hold three nouns in his head simultaneously. When the three nouns are central to a talking point he’s been repeating on the stump, a candidate for that office may fairly be expected to be able to repeat them on a debate stage in front of a national TV audience. If he can’t do that, he can’t be president.

No, one need not necessarily be a great debater to be a superb POTUS. But when you announce with a great flourish that you’re about to name three executive departments that you’re going to abolish, you’re expected to be able to name all three.

If Perry’s previous debate performances had displayed a molecule of polish, or if this blunder did not so vividly reinforce the worst stereotypes about him, he could survive this. But they didn’t, and this blunder has just set in stone many millions of opinions that previously might still have been improvable.

It’s over for Rick Perry.

Dustin, my friend, have you been to many UT/A&M games where the ‘Horns have rolled up a big score?

Late in the fourth quarter of such games, the Burnt Orange faithful traditionally link arms and sway back and forth (like the Aggies do during the Aggie War Hymn). And as they sway, they sing a two-note dirge, consisting of nothing but a two-word lyric: “Poooooooooooor Ag-gies.” I know Gov. Perry heard that song sung a few times when he was an A&M yell leader, and I know it always stung. But it’s time to turn out the lights in the Perry campaign and hope he can salvage enough dignity to finish out his term as governor now.

Beldar (f44d30) — 11/10/2011 @ 10:19 pm

Ouch. And that’s a Texan, folks.

So was Dandy Don, as I recall: the guy who sang “Turn out the lights, the party’s over.”

Well, crap. Now what?

Patterico (f724ca) — 11/10/2011 @ 10:45 pm

No that is your fantasy Tifosa.

By the way where are the feminists to call out Obama for his stance on Iran?

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/10/2011 @ 11:00 pm

____________________________________

Is that the “shabby” way, as described in the book by her daughter, that you’re talking about?

AD-RtR/OS, if that part of Gingrich’s history isn’t as bad as it has been made out to be, then the guy can be somewhat excused. However, when placed in its full context — meaning when factoring in the guy’s ideological flaws in general — he doesn’t deserve too much benefit of the doubt. But in that regard, I can’t single him out, because there’s plenty of potential (or likely) philosophical unreliability affecting Romney, Perry and Cain.

conservativenewsandviews.com, May 2011:

The ex-Representative from Georgia showed up on NBC-TV’s Meet the Press. In his interview with host David Gregory, he tried to lay out what he meant by this:

“I believe we can return America to hope and opportunity, to full employment, to real security, to an American energy program, to a balanced budget.”
__________

Sadly, he means forcing people to buy health insurance, just like Barack Obama’s healthcare reform law. Newt Gingrich tried to say that his idea was different from Obama’s.
__________

“In, in the first place, Obama basically is trying to replace the entire insurance system, creating state exchanges, building a Washington-based model, creating a federal system. I believe all of us — and this is going to be a big debate — I believe all of us have a responsibility to help pay for healthcare…”
__________

That makes no difference. In an earlier interview, Gingrich proposed a voucher system that he admitted was “a sliding scale of subsidies.” That’s what the Obama law provides. And Gingrich used the same defense of his idea that the Democrats have used, on the stump and in court: that health insurance must become like automobile insurance, which no State allows any motorist to drive without. But driving is a privilege, not a right, so comparing health to auto insurance doesn’t work.

Gingrich also called Paul Ryan’s plan for Medicare reform “right-wing social engineering.” He objected to “radical change.” He forgets that “radical change” got the country into this mess in the first place, and only “radical change” will get us out of it.

Newt Gingrich is already in trouble with conservatives on several issues, including:

Immigration. NumbersUSA gives him a D minus. He has a “bad” record on limiting immigration overall and in ending “chain migration” (bringing the whole family in after you). On two-thirds of all immigration issues that NumbersUSA tracks, Newt Gingrich is “unhelpful.”

Morals. He served divorce papers on his wife while she was in the hospital taking a chemical cure for cancer, and he has never made it up with her or anyone likely to sympathize with her.

^ However, as far as I’m concerned, even the squishiest of Republicans (although I can’t help but draw the line when it comes to people like Jon Huntsman) will be an improvement over President “Goddamn America.”

Mark (411533) — 11/10/2011 @ 11:11 pm

dohbiden, all you have is “no, you are?”
jmo, but you seem pre-occupied with sexual innuendo.

tifosa (4cb89e) — 11/10/2011 @ 11:18 pm

Beldar

So I heard that 60 to 80% of the first 4 states primary goers are basically still undecided

I was shocked by that

Also, there are what 16 more debates? And as if it matters, most common sense pundits say Perry’s gaffe was understandable, he handled it with good humor and put to rest that he is a standoffish arrogant guy.

So, I think only the pundits and hyper partisans were offended – he is the only candidate that has a record that people want that is running the rest want to have a record like his thats the difference

EricPWJohnson (719277) — 11/10/2011 @ 11:29 pm

“So I heard that 60 to 80% of the first 4 states primary goers are basically still undecided

I was shocked by that”

EPWJ – Why would you be shocked? It has been pointed out to you repeatedly.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/10/2011 @ 11:34 pm

Eric, you point out that there are many more GOP debates as if that were a good thing for Gov. Perry. But there is now ample, inescapable evidence that he lowers his standing with each such debate; despite publicly conceding that he’s just not much good at this part of campaigning, he’s nevertheless ramped up to commit the most spectacular blunder of any GOP candidate so far in this election cycle. There is no evidence at all on which to base a hope that he will dramatically improve.

But debates and public opinion polling become increasingly irrelevant as actual votes are cast and delegates are committed. The first primaries are now only a few weeks away, with much of voter attention being distracted by holidays.

The chances that anyone will beat Gov. Romney are now quite slim. The chances of it being Gov. Perry in particular who beats Gov. Romney are, however, now nonexistent. Perry’s not alone in having already lost: Bachmann, Santorum, Paul, and Huntsman are also already eliminated in all but the most fancifully improbable scenarios.

Gov. Perry’s political self-immolation is the only thing that a very large majority of GOP primary voters know about this past week’s campaign events. Only a tiny fraction actually watched the debate in full, but practically everyone in America will have seen Perry’s brain fart by the end of this week. There’s nothing he could possibly do or say now that would capture him an equivalent audience, or undo the damage this incident has done to his reputation with essentially everyone in that audience.

There were, of course, people who insisted that Howard Dean was going to be able to use “The Scream” to humanize his campaign. There were some people who thought Jerry Ford didn’t really hurt himself when he claimed that Poland wasn’t under Soviet domination during the 1976 debate with Carter. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, of course. But if this episode wasn’t the Perry campaign’s death knell, what would it take to disqualify him in your mind? Would he have to do a full Anthony Weiner on-stage during a debate?

Beldar (f44d30) — 11/11/2011 @ 2:15 am

Beldar,

I disagree respectfully. Perry’s damage has been first from the unfair and overexaggerated Gardasil attack and then by Romney’s totally disingenuous attack blaming him for the illegal immgration problems.

all the pundits are afrais Perry will lose the election because he wants to get rid of social security – and thats the best thing for the country

I gave several sppeches in Ky this recent election cycle in several different cities and to rural and urban crowds and the consensus is that Perry has caused the illegal immigration problems in America – I easily refuted these arguments by pointing out that its not “Texas'” border with Mexico but the Countries. so it really wasnt his debate performance as much as the acceptance that Teas is responsible for everyone else having mexicans in their state and thats what caused them to overspend on govt union pensions – hich is the main determinate in all of our fiscal woes – these tremendous transfer payments from producers to non-producers

Mexicans are producers – they dont fall into these categories

Howard Dean had no record to stand on, Perry does and an impressive one that mitigates anything anyone can throw at him –

People forget Reagan wasnt a great debator, he almost lost the election to Mondale, he was old, befuddled, said stupid things constantly – compared to Reagan and his miscues – his constant miscues, Perry is a genius

I think we are seeing the effect of many debates with overt hostile moderators and thinking that this grand jury style debating is going to roduce a candidate is patently ludicrous. Obama can only be defeated by one person, everyone knows its Perry whether they want to think it or not – its just a simple fact not a fiction.

EricPWJohnson (719277) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:12 am

Epic fail, Reagan was a happy warrior, who despitehis age, like that line, he pulled on Mondale, disarmed the traditional view of Republicans as undertakers and chartered accountants, We don’t really have that sort in the race right now.

narciso (ef1619) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:18 am

Remember, Mondale lost the election Reagan didnt win it. Mondale screwed up when he said something about the courage to raise taxes

didnt fly

But Reagan got trounced in the mid term elections and had no coatails – anyone, you, me, the dog in the street could have beaten Jimmy Carter easily next to Ford the weakest candidate in US history – people who equate Reagans landslide – must rename it – insert your name here – landslide – it was going to happen with 9 10% unemployment and 15 to 20% inflation – it was a given – they just needed a name to fill in

So, with our dozens of debates with the same ugly snarky questioners and the smooth BS from everyone except Perry and Santorum, this I think is hurting everyone else – i dont think people want to see anymore debates I think they want to see results

Perry is the only one besides Paul and Bachmann that has a job and among those three, Perry is the only one that has one of authority

EricPWJohnson (719277) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:18 am

Oh good Allah

JD (9f5519) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:25 am

narcisco

Reagan himself and so did his son recently said he was a failure as a president – in so many words – and he was – he was a disaster from ordering weapon systems himself like the useless B-1, the bradley, the M-1a2a (a quadruple more expensive tank than the 105 armed M1 which was simple cheap and easy to manufacture – there is little difference in penetration power of a 105 mark 7 sabot and the mark 2 120 sabot – excepr the price.

He also ordered the useless platic f-16 instead of the f-18 for the airforce by the thousands

Reagan let corporations buy other corporations with dubious promissary notes etc

Reagan raised taxes to astronomical heights

Lowering the top rat was great but he let in the mechanism to raise social security to massive amounts

EricPWJohnson (719277) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:26 am

And the avalanche of asshattery from epwj continues apace.

JD (9f5519) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:30 am

He’s beyond the point of parody isn’t he, Reagan challenged the establishment not only on fiscal, monetary ‘supply side’ but the detente framework,
imposed by Kissinger, that presupposed convergence
between the two models.

narciso (ef1619) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:31 am

JD

Now just remember – I was saying this – years before Mike fessed up

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/09/27/michael-reagan-my-dad-might-be-too-moderate-for-todays-gop/

EricPWJohnson (719277) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:32 am

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/8/executives-future-with-epa-uncertain/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

narciso (ef1619) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:39 am

And let me a little contrarian, about the aforementioned ‘Norwegian Blue’

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/10/why-perrys-campaign-is-not-quite-dead-yet/

narciso (ef1619) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:41 am

More Cain talk:
Cain defamation lawyer hired to monitor accusations

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Herman Cain has hired a high-profile defamation lawyer to keep an eye on the sexual harassment accusations made public by two women this week.
Atlanta attorney Lin Wood told Reuters on Thursday he was not hired to scare, intimidate or threaten anyone from making statements, but to monitor the accusations against Cain and respond accordingly.
Wood, a top libel and defamation lawyer, was hired on Monday morning when it became clear that Sharon Bialek was about to become the first of four women alleging inappropriate behavior by Cain to go public with her accusations.
“I would certainly at some point and time give him my legal evaluation of whether any of these particular statements are potentially actionable,” Wood said. “But I was not hired to run out and file a lawsuit against anybody.”
Depending on which side of the argument you belong to, this step is sure to take this whole issue to another level.

The Realist. (fbdcfe) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:48 am

You should know who Wood’s first reallyhigh profile client was Richard Jewell, who the Feds jumped to accuse him of the Atlanta bombing, despite the signs
that Eric Rudolph was more clearly involved. the other were the Ramsey’s, what greater unfounded accusation can there be, than what they faced. also
do to atrocious investigative procedures.

narciso (ef1619) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:52 am

@114
That was me….

The Emperor (3489d0) — 11/11/2011 @ 6:56 am

@narciso
Are you saying that the fact that Wood agreed to take this case further establishes Cain in this matter as the victim of false accusation, in the public eye? Considering Woods reputation with victims of defamation.

The Emperor (eb7dd2) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:09 am

“Reagan let corporations buy other corporations with dubious promissary notes etc”

EPWJ – Oh Noes! He didn’t interfere with the free market? Or is your real complaint that people did not understand the fraud being perpetuated by Drexel for years?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:15 am

Many political campaigns as well as supporters of candidates in this age of You Tube, have still not come to grips with just how much that medium has changed everything in about a decade. Only a few short years ago a candidate’s minor gaffe at a small regional debate which was attended by relatively few, was not on network TV, and was not even streamed on the internet, would have been relatively insignificant. If one happened, the few remaining newsies who read newspapers might have heard about it in an article about the debate, a brief mention might have been on the six o’clock news, or some bloggers might have picked up the story and pushed news of the gaffe as a result of getting fevered PR releases from the opposition. In short, only a teeny weeny percentage of the population would ever have seen the video evidence of a one minute human brain freeze — which now with You Tube links, is immediately available around the world and has (mostly unfairly) cemented and “defined” a candidate’s abilities in people’s minds.

I’m a big fan of sunlight and don’t wish to return to a time when news was managed even more-so than it is now. But this episode with Perry has surely demonstrated why many successful, competent and decent people choose not to put themselves and their families through the personal stress and public gauntlet of running for high office.

elissa (c04a7b) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:26 am

“Lowering the top rat was great but he let in the mechanism to raise social security to massive amounts”

EPWJ – What mechanism are you talking about. Reagan was not the first President to boost social security taxes. Here is a table showing historical contribution rates. Please explain.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:26 am

Emperor, you do know the difference between a criminal defense attorney and a defamation attorney–right? The different roles they play for clients–right?

elissa (c04a7b) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:30 am

Browne’s campaign turned out afterwards to have been little more than a money-making scheme for himself and his cronies.

Yes, certainly. Bialystock & Bloom. Was a pity and ended my dalliance with the LP.

I guess giving Browne money was as wasteful as voting for a third party. What else is new?

Kevin M (563f77) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:31 am

_______________________________________________

Reagan himself and so did his son recently said he was a failure as a president

Eric, if you’re referring to Ron Reagan Jr — the essence of a foolish liberal (and still a leftist well past one’s naive, nonsensical high-school/college years) — and you’re able to cite him with a straight face, then you can’t be too resentful when certain posters here call your political biases into question, or slam you for supporting someone like Dede Scozzafava (the epitome of a RINO and super squish).

Mark (411533) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:31 am

“Howard Dean had no record to stand on, Perry does and an impressive one that mitigates anything anyone can throw at him”

EPWJ – When Perry doesn’t even get consistent majority approval ratings from registered voters in his own red home state, why the hell do you think he can persuade people he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread and should be elected president?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:34 am

Is that the “shabby” way, as described in the book by her daughter, that you’re talking about?

And, also, the hospital visit was in 1980 (31 years ago). Most people beleive that since it was reported in the late 90’s during the Clinton impeachment, that it happened in the late 90’s. Not so. It was ancient history even then.

Kevin M (563f77) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:46 am

But Reagan got trounced in the mid term elections and had no coatail

Republicans took the Senate in 1980 as well, winning TWELVE seats. They also won 34 House seats. So there were at least those coattails.

Yes, he suffered some in the midterms, but most presidents get hit in the midterms. W in 2002 was an exception.

Kevin M (563f77) — 11/11/2011 @ 7:58 am

“I gave several sppeches in Ky this recent election cycle in several different cities and to rural and urban crowds and the consensus is that Perry has caused the illegal immigration problems in America – I easily refuted these arguments”

EPWJ – Is there any video available of you refuting arguments. This is a phenomenon I have not witnessed and would pay to see. The case you make above is not persuasive.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 11/11/2011 @ 8:06 am

Video would be a good idea, since the spittle won’t come through.

Kevin M (563f77) — 11/11/2011 @ 8:13 am

@elissa, your point being….?

The Emperor (24fbda) — 11/11/2011 @ 8:24 am

Reagan himself and so did his son recently said he was a failure as a president

“Eric, if you’re referring to Ron Reagan Jr — the essence of a foolish liberal (and still a leftist well past one’s naive, nonsensical high-school/college years) — and you’re able to cite him with a straight face…”

I have a pleasant memory of the time Christopher Hitchens showed Ronnie Jr. for the dumbass he is… I think it was on MSLSD… yes it was and here it is:

http://youtu.be/6d7fHvHXeiQ

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/11/2011 @ 8:33 am

Beldar… well said in posts #96 & #103.

My $.02… you couldn’t be human and not feel for Perry at that moment in the debate. He is a fine governor of the State of Texas. I just don’t think he has what it takes to beat Mr. Disaster, Barack Obama, next November.

ColonelHaiku (09a0f9) — 11/11/2011 @ 8:42 am

Why are Obamas wars ok?

Honestly no one thinks about the children when a dems wars are occuring?

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/11/2011 @ 9:22 am

Which wars?

The Emperor (590845) — 11/11/2011 @ 9:29 am

The war in Afghanistan which is still occuring under Opullmyfingers admin.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/11/2011 @ 9:44 am

He’s really beyond parody.

narciso (ef1619) — 11/11/2011 @ 9:46 am

George Bush is the worse president-People who defended Clintons dropping the ball that lead to the 93 bombing.

Don’t you frickin leftards realize Obama resigned the Patriot Act……………Oh I forgot the left don’t give a shit it is just used to bash Bush.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/11/2011 @ 9:54 am

You mean the wars he inherited and is trying to end in a responsible manner?

The Emperor (fbdcfe) — 11/11/2011 @ 11:07 am

Um you mean the wars which are evil when a repub is in office but not when the dems are in office.

FIFY.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/11/2011 @ 1:39 pm

And by the way Emperor if your henchmen at Code Pink were consistent they would protest the upcoming Ugandan war.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/11/2011 @ 1:40 pm

My mom dropped out of High School because she did not want to go to school and get mugged.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/11/2011 @ 1:54 pm

Gotta love the perryrkishnas accusing others of being whiny effette victims….That is like JAY-z making profit but sympathizing with the anti-profits.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/12/2011 @ 7:19 am

Uribe is corrupt……………….but Mugabe isn’t……..Thanks dems for making me realize how much I despise hypocrisy.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/13/2011 @ 6:41 pm

Now Juan Manuel Santos is accused of corruption……….I forgot the left want their rich comrades on the left to have all the money.

ESAD trolls.

DohBiden (ef98f0) — 11/13/2011 @ 6:43 pm

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