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11/3/2011

On the Latest Cain Allegations; Some Thoughts

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 11:08 am



[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

Update: The PJ Media article now has significant corrections that undermine the believability of the original account and the certainty that sex occurred. Not their finest moment. Thanks to narciso in the comments for pointing that out.

So PJ Media (a.k.a. the website formerly known as Pajamas Media) has the scoop on the details of one of the allegations against Herman Cain, and if true, it’s pretty bad:

Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee of the National Restaurant Association told associates she had been brought by Mr. Cain to his Crystal City, Virginia residence where she alleged “he had taken advantage of me.”

Now let me point out a few issues that the lawyer in me can’t help but notice. First, I assume “take advantage of” means sex (and my definition of sex includes a “Lewinsky”) and PJ Media is either being coy, or letting sources get away with coyness. Please don’t. If they had sex, say that, so there is no needless ambiguity.

Second, assuming I am right on the first point, then the timeline goes like this. Cain pressures the woman to have sex with him, she capitulates… and then she goes to HR, hires a lawyer and sues? That sounds odd to me, although the answer might be that something might be missing. Like maybe something happened to buck up her courage or something like that. But unless there is something missing, that timeline seems weird. If she is going to challenge Cain about it, wouldn’t the time be before she slept with him? But again, more facts might illuminate the matter.

Third, and this is something I have been meaning to say all along: settling doesn’t mean very much. That goes double when insurance companies are involved. For instance, years ago my mother was the victim of an auto insurance fraud. Two con artists intentionally struck my mother in her car, and then claimed she was at fault when the police arrived. Despite this, the insurance company settled the claim, and paid the men and about ten years later when the fraud ring was busted, the insurance company humbly apologized and paid her back about a decade’s worth of higher premiums. On the corporate insurance level, I have been involved with companies where there was strong evidence that the claim was entirely fraudulent and where a single subpoena of the right person would have revealed the fraud, if it existed. But the insurance company didn’t bother to do even that much, and paid off the plaintiff.

But I also wanted to make another point. Now even these allegations are kind of fuzzy right now on the “how” of the seduction. Did they just have sex that night? Did she feel that because of his position it was an inherently coercive situation? Did he seem overbearing, but it was ambiguous about whether he was trying to use his position to obtain sex?

Or did he do the full quid pro quo (“something for something”) and say, “sleep with me or you are fired/won’t get that promotion, etc.?” Now I want to be careful to say that we are not nearly there, yet, but if that is what it was, then it’s not just “sexual harassment.” Seriously what do you call it when you give something of value in exchange for sex? In most states, that’s prostitution. It certainly is under the Virginia Code (where the conduct occurred) as of today. Indeed, I have read of cases where Virginia attorneys offered for their clients to pay them in sex instead of fees, which then led them to be arrested for soliciting prostitution.

Which feeds back to my original observation; it is strange that she let it go that far and then reported Cain’s conduct. But like I said, maybe that account is incomplete.

Finally, the PJ Media article explains why the woman’s name is kept out of their piece. I can accept that, but why keep out their sources? I think we deserve a word or two on that subject.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

368 Responses to “On the Latest Cain Allegations; Some Thoughts”

  1. I’ve heard the figure of $35,000 being quoted as the “settlement” in one of these cases.
    In my experience, a $35,000 settlement in a sexual harassment suit would cover conduct falling somewhere between leaving the toilet seat up and belching too loud at the dinner table.
    Unless someone comes out and specifies some actual act (non consensual, preferably)that he is alleged to have committed, I am going to withhold judgment on these allegations.

    orcadrvr (5daf3f)

  2. Oy. RT @cuffymeh: dearlord, PJM, what a #FAIL with those corrections. Stick to bloggin

    narciso (0fc95f)

  3. The article makes clear there were copious amounts of food and drink involved at that dinner by all present. Aaron, PJ Media has filled in some details for us, but I am not at all seeing the level of detail in the actual article that you seem to be intuiting and repeating. The words “sleep with” and “seduction”, for example, seem like pretty risky inferences for a cautious and precise lawyer such as yourself to make. Just sayin’.

    elissa (7da803)

  4. Thanks. I just updated my post.

    Aaron Worthing (13d5ce)

  5. does anyone have any questions for Cain? Considering most of what he told us was misstated, missleadingg, understated, and wrong?

    Are we going to keep blaming his memory for all of thus?

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  6. First, I assume “take advantage of” means sex (and my definition of sex includes a “Lewinsky”) and PJ Media is either being coy, or letting sources get away with coyness. Please don’t. If they had sex, say that, so there is no needless ambiguity.

    I make the opposite assumption. If she meant sex she would have said so, and if she didn’t the “journalist” who interviewed her would have dragged it out of her. Any time I see a story like this and it hides what happened behind a coy locution like “took advantage” I assume that that’s the worst light they could put it in without exposing themselves to a defamation suit.

    In fact here’s one possible interpretation of the words used: he told her to come home with him, and she was expecting sex, or at least dinner, and when they got there he brought out a bundle of documents that needed filing, or dictation that needed typing or something, and thus took advantage of her. Especially if she was on a salary and thus not earning overtime pay, she’d feel taken advantage of and aggrieved.

    Milhouse (d3fd53)

  7. Not to pat myself on the back (but I will), I see that Ann Coulter has described this affair (vis-a-vis GOP politicians/candidates) as akin to the Salem Witch Trials; something I mentioned a few days ago – Thank You, very much.

    AD-RtR/OS! (743901)

  8. Are we going to keep blaming his memory for all of thus?
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 11/3/2011 @ 11:52 am

    — And when you say “we” you are talking about who?

    Icy (8b7231)

  9. Icy

    Cain has said lots of things that haven’t panned out

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  10. So he asked a couple of women to his room while at a business convention. Isn’t that why they have conventions in the first place? It is not like they took him up on his offer?

    AZ Bob (7d2a2c)

  11. ‘Shirley you can’t be serious’

    narciso (0fc95f)

  12. So he had sex with some ladies in his past.. Big deal. When are we gonna get over this stupid and idiotic display of self righteousness. I am no Cain supporter but come on, this is just bullshit. I think Cain should just come out and own up to these allegations if they are true and apologize to his supporters. We all got stuff in our past we are not too proud of.

    The Emperor (357c91)

  13. Comment by AZ Bob — 11/3/2011 @ 12:22 pm

    It might have worked better if he had sent the message via an Arkansas State Trooper!

    AD-RtR/OS! (743901)

  14. EPWJCain has said lots of things that haven’t panned out

    Fixed

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  15. Answer the question, Eric. Who is the “we” that are “blaming” Cain’s memory for ANYTHING?

    Icy (8b7231)

  16. Who is the “we” that are “blaming” Cain’s memory for ANYTHING?

    I am, for one. I assume that when he was first asked about all this he had only vague memories of one incident, and none of the others, and that as time goes on he not only learns more by asking people, but also more comes back to him. That’s the way memory works.

    Milhouse (f8511c)

  17. Am sure that there are folks somewhere in my memory who have stuff on me now. Things I have totally forgotten.

    The Emperor (17e77a)

  18. having said that, I sure would remember a good Lewinsky. 😉

    The Emperor (f21389)

  19. Show of hands.

    Who here has not been out for a few adult beverages with a few work colleagues and then innocently test driven a sofa with one, xeroxed and faxed a copy of their butt to their CEO or taken a crap on their boss’s desk?

    Should that disqualify somebody from holding public office in this great country?

    Show of hands.

    Just asking.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  20. Some of us have three years worth of stuff on you, Love.

    Icy (8b7231)

  21. “I sure would remember a good Lewinsky.”

    Lovey – I still have not cleaned my tie from then. Thanks again.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  22. LMAO!!

    The Emperor (590845)

  23. LMAO!!

    The Emperor (590845)

  24. I would know a good Lewinsky

    😯 Oh em frickin gee.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  25. sorry sorry for for the the double double post post, y’all y’all….

    The Emperor The Emperor (45bb96)

  26. I think Hermain Cain sexually harrassed Mahmoud Amagoatraper because he is a far-lefty.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  27. @19–That’s not even a tough call, daley. But if you had added buggering a German Shepherd in the freight elevator (on security film) into the mix I’d say that would probably rule out a person’s acceptability for elected office. By my standards at least. YMMV

    elissa (7da803)

  28. He being Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  29. elissa

    So you are saying that Cain is the victim here?

    I seem to remember a guy who blamed Perry for the rock, said he wouldnt be his VP (bringing up latent racism) and blamed his campaign, played the race card repeatedly – has basically been caught lying about – well – everything – and Cain is the victim

    Man what an ELECTION!

    and we haven’t taken a vote yet!

    I’m reminded that someone on this blog thought this was all a figmint of my imagination and we shouldnt even be talking about it

    Hilarious!!!!

    We have gone from hand gestures to waking up naked in a corporate apartment

    And this guy’s a preacher right?

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  30. figment, sorry

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  31. But if you had added buggering a German Shepherd in the freight elevator (on security film) into the mix I’d say that would probably rule out a person’s acceptability for elected office

    I guess that would depend on whether you’re referring to a canine or a guy who tends a flock in Berlin.

    Chuck Bartowski (78646d)

  32. “I’m reminded that someone on this blog thought this was all a figmint of my imagination and we shouldnt even be talking about it”

    EPWJ – Do you actually know what Cain did or did not do? Please fill everybody in. You seem to have sources others do not.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  33. “But if you had added buggering a German Shepherd in the freight elevator (on security film) into the mix I’d say that would probably rule out a person’s acceptability for elected office”

    elissa – Old joke. What do you do when a Doberman starts humping your leg?

    Fake an orgasm.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  34. Why are the left willing to blame Herman Cain for sexual harassment that some people even on the left are admitting is a lie but yet they insist Bill Clintons affair is consensual despite women saying otherwise?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  35. ==So you are saying that Cain is the victim here==

    Eric, I don’t know what the hell your dealio is here, or even what comment of mine you may possibly be referring to. But you need to stop putting words in other people’s mouths. You need to stop interpreting others’ thoughts and you need to quit extrapolating from select pieces of info in order to fit your own personal motives. You need to quit posturing. Really. Please stop.

    elissa (7da803)

  36. And yes I love how lefty feminazis stereotype all men as pervs but yet they will defend Clinton and say that he had a consensual affair.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  37. Bill Clinton is a documented rapist Mr. Biden.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  38. There is a great deal missing in the way the media is covering this story; they drastically under-estimate the frequency with which these charges are brought, most of which in my experience (with others) are misunderstandings of one sort or another.

    The adversarial and purposefully malcontented workplace is now a structural foundation for at least a static minority of employees.

    Make no mistake; even if an Executive is silly enough to take a willing employee home with him, he still risks harassment charges later that would be virtually impossible to dispute. Even affairs that do not last are subject to harassment charges and are typically settled by the firm.

    And there is virtually no way of upper management to ‘win’ after an accusation is made, at least in the courtroom of public opinion.

    My counsel, especially in large corporations, is to refer to the opposite sex by their formal names, speak only to them about work, and remain emotionally distant and incurious to personal references. Sure that frosts the team atmosphere. But if you wish your career to escalate, better safe than sorry.

    Jim (d962b2)

  39. Gotta love the mentally disturbed perrybots accusing Limbaugh Malkin and MKH of being paid off by the establishment to make women feel bad because Cain is a sexual predator.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  40. Interesting Lanny Davis piece on the Fox News site here.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  41. When it comes to figments, Eric is your man.

    Icy (8b7231)

  42. Aslansgirl-Cain is egotistical and arrogant.

    Project much palin hating bytch?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  43. Honestly gotta love the palin deranged idiots accusing others of arrogance esepcially since they think their right always and your wrong always.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  44. I don’t appreciate Cain playing the race card on Perry or chaging his stories by the way.

    Especially*

    DohBiden (d54602)

  45. #19, gotta be 20 years removed.

    ODB (0f13a8)

  46. I remember Perry from some of the debates. What ever ended up happening to him?

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  47. I thought it was OK for black guys to act this way. Worked for Clinton’s defense. Worked for Strauss Kahn too.

    ODB (0f13a8)

  48. Yes he is crappy but the feminazis rallied against those who dared to expose him.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  49. But Strauss Khan was a lefty like Clinton.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  50. #49 Ya think?

    ODB (0f13a8)

  51. Of course.

    And gotta love how the left believes Cain is a sex fiend but not Clinton just like how we need to fight Gorebull warming by starving to death,but eat like pigs.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  52. elissa

    Most of that comment wasn meant for you, I reread your comment and accept my apologies

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  53. but the left eat like pigs*

    DohBiden (d54602)

  54. this just in… Cain said
    “I would like to tame your shrew!”
    no defense for that

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  55. never use “Lanny Davis” and “interesting” in the same paragraph, let alone sentence, angeleno.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  56. No.

    Cain should have been honest from the start.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  57. Rush Limbaugh went so far today as to read an entire letter on air designed to make people think Gov. Romney’s campaign was behind the leak of the current Herman Cain controversy. Fortunately, Hot Air saw through this ploy and presents a more likely source for the leak. Even Herman Cain’s own campaign is blaming an advisor to Rick Perry for leaking the story. Furthermore, a pollster for one of Rick Perry’s Super PACs is pouring fuel on the fire in an effort to end Cain’s campaign. Rush’s listeners should be outraged that Mr. Limbaugh would stoop so low as to pick up on an obvious smear like this and present it the way he did. http://mittromneycentral.com/2011/11/02/president-obamas-super-pac-priorities-usa-launches-another-round-of-attacks-on-mitt-romney/

    Dan (403904)

  58. I heard Cain wants to be caught in your bad romance.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  59. 55.

    Well, you’re entitled to your view, Haiku, but Davis’s comments strike me as sensible.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  60. Two out of three Pakistani junta heads agree with
    Lanny, since they hired him in the 90s,

    narciso (0fc95f)

  61. #60… thanks, but using “sensible” to describe one of the most mendacious individuals involved in covering up Bill Clinton’s numerous, onerous heinous sexual peccadilloes and his dishonorable administration smacks of unusually high levels of unintended irony.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  62. My simple suggestion is that, in his Fox News piece, Davis offers Herman Cain some very sensible advice. Neither Bill Clinton nor Pakistani generals are particularly relevant here.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  63. You do have it backwards, Clinton was almost always guilty in these things, yet he muddled the picture,

    narciso (0fc95f)

  64. Well I think it’s safe to say that the Dems would love to have someone like Cain win the Republican ticket. Thanks to Romney and Perry.

    The Emperor (03864d)

  65. From an editorial in tomorrow’s WSJ:

    Anyone who makes it to the front of the candidate line is going to come under close—make that withering—scrutiny. If in one’s past exist two sexual harassment suits formally settled by one’s employer, that is going to become public. It is a certainty. Allowing oneself to drift through a campaign until the day the buried bombs go off is amateur hour. Republicans have a right to ask Mr. Cain what he would have said if he won the nomination and the news had broken after Labor Day next year. The Cain campaign would have been smarter to leak the story pre-emptively.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  66. In a move that shocked many Europeans, Barack Obama showed no small amount of chutzpah or that he’s lost that belief in his own magnificence that so typifies the classic narcissist when he lectured his audience about how they need to act – and PDQ – to resolve their financial catastrophe.

    He is a source of much wonderment merriment.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  67. Well I think it’s safe to say that the Dems would love to be as far from a toxic presidency as they canbe over the course of the next 12 months.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  68. Anyone who disagrees with the left on anything especially Israel and Islam and the Palestinians will be called names by the useful idiots on the left.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  69. Newsroom are notorious hotbeds of sexual harassment everyone knows that.

    Sally Quinn was trying to get her boss in bed from day one.

    This is the industry where nasty old Jeff Toobin makes love babies with Jeff Greenfield’s daughter.

    Ask Rupert Murdoch’s wife about the sexual mores of that industry. Bless her heart.

    And since her husband died Katie Couric can’t stop banging college kids.

    It’s the sluttiest industry in the whole world!

    So when the WSJ or any other sleazy journalist operation starts weighing in on sexual harassment, remember these people don’t live in the same world as the rest of us.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  70. *Newsrooms* I mean

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  71. Toxic Presidency? *scoofs*

    The Emperor (5647ed)

  72. Hopey Changey morphed into a commitment to division, exploitation of fear, envy and resentment and pitting Americans against one another.

    Again, a toxic presidency.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  73. with a taste of a poison paradise

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  74. re: post #70… you are one funny, tasty vegan sh*tcake eating dude, happy. Props!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  75. #70

    [Journalism]’s the sluttiest industry in the whole world! So when the WSJ or any other sleazy journalist operation starts weighing in on sexual harassment, remember these people don’t live in the same world as the rest of us.

    I wouldn’t know, being a celibate and ascetic who lives on top of a pole. However, I believe the solons who write editorials for the WSJ (a rather conservative group, withal) are really talking more about the inevitability of disclosure with respect to sexual harassment suits, rather than sexual harassment per se. They seemed more concerned with Herman’s lack of foresight than with his libido.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  76. isnt Cain a married pastor?

    Thats okay violating sacred vows is what we look for

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  77. I just felt like being dismissive Mr. angeleno – until I get some juicy details I’ll happily vote for Mr. Cain just to vote for the black guy National Soros Radio is striving so mightily to chain to their pickup truck and step on the gas

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  78. oh thanks Mr. Colonel

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  79. happyfeet, the quote I gave you is from The Wall Street Journa, not NPR.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  80. you should check out the hijinks at NPR Mr. angeleno

    they’re going Juan Williams on his ass times a hundred

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  81. Sure that wasn’t a story about Papandreou you heard?

    angeleno (f228b8)

  82. Now there’s a name for the son I will never have — Herman Papandreou Angeleno!

    angeleno (f228b8)

  83. Mr. Papandreou he’s not the mostest decisive leader in the world is he

    he reminds me of somebody

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  84. The best comment I’ve seen regarding the Cain issue is here:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282117/well-was-interesting-rich-lowry#comment-362255

    It makes sense. I recall Cain saying that earlier in the year he almost withdrew from the race. He just doesn’t seem prepared for a full-on race.

    The most telling point is that the Cain camp had ten days notice of the story, and still looks like they were sucker-punched.

    norcal (6501b9)

  85. “are really talking more about the inevitability of disclosure with respect to sexual harassment suits, rather than sexual harassment per se.”

    angeleno – Has there been any confirmation of the existence of any sexual harassment suits? If so, where did you find it and news of their settlement?

    Cain was pretty clear in answering Davis’s questions Tuesday morning that he had never engaged in any sexual harassment. That answer has not changed.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  86. who doesn’t enjoy nominating someone what makes the National Review’s butt pucker?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  87. It’s Greek for Kennedy, much more Teddy than Bobby
    or JFk.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  88. Wouldn’t surprise me if that egomaniac Debbie Schlussel is getting an orgasmic pleasure over this.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  89. Eric please get your head out of Schlussel’s ass he did nothing wrong.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  90. angeleno confirmed the existence of sexual harassment suits by listening to EPWJ.

    I believe they were sitting & spinning on angeleno’s aforementioned pole at the time.

    Icy (8b7231)

  91. daleyrocks, I took that term from Paul Gigot and friends at the WSJ (see quote at #65). In doing so, I must acknowledge sharing in their imprecision with language. I am not aware of any lawsuits filed against Herman. Perhaps Paul and friends should have used a different word, like “complaint” or “grievance” — whatever it is you do when you bring a matter to your employer’s attention.

    I’m tired. I think I’ll climb back up on my pylon and meditate…

    angeleno (f228b8)

  92. icy, no offense, but I don’t let anyone climb up and share my pole. Even you. What kind of a Stylite would I be if I did that?

    angeleno (f228b8)

  93. Icy – Thanks. Good answer.

    I thought people usually find lawsuits by checking at the courthouse. I had not heard of any lawsuits actually filed and settled on these matters.

    A lotta loose sh*t flyin’ around.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  94. Well, serves me right for quoting a right-wing rag like the Journal…

    angeleno (f228b8)

  95. Has the race of the women been revealed? I fear that the media is playing dangerous racial games in their zeal to get the black republican.

    East Bay Jay (19f566)

  96. angeleno can take about an hour on the Tower of Power…

    http://youtu.be/ac02hVqLV1Y

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  97. You say toe•may•toe, I say toe•mah•toe;
    You say sexual harassment suit, I say inappropriate conduct complain . . .

    but oh, if we call the whole thing off then we must part
    and oh, if we ever part then that might break my heart

    Icy (8b7231)

  98. “complaint”

    [sent from my stupid iPhone]

    Icy (8b7231)

  99. they cut off my legs now I’m an amputee goddamn you

    *

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  100. ________________________________________________

    and say, “sleep with me or you are fired/won’t get that promotion, etc.?”

    That’s pretty much the ONLY time a person has a legitimate reason to raise a stink — and file a formal complaint or lawsuit — against a superior or, for that matter, co-worker or colleague for the act of sexual harassment. Most any other situation, as far as I’m concerned, is a bunch of BS or probably a case of someone using the legal system as the Big Lotto.

    Beyond that, I’m bothered that Cain, Romney and Perry are prone to fumbling in a deer-in-the-headlights manner. Not sure how much of that is due to overconfidence in one’s station in life, too much backslapping and ego, or a lack of enough introspection. Of course, President “Goddamn America” is an extreme example of those traits, but most politicians and bigwigs in general — regardless of ideology — can easily suffer from such characteristics.

    Mark (411533)

  101. I’m the first one to cruelly mock sexual harassment victims Mr. Mark but even so I think you’re overstating your case

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  102. Your a joke.

    And yes Rick Perry is sometimes good on taking it to the illegals sometimes he is not. honestly he is 50-50.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  103. Let me see if “Simon of the Desert” is online. This place could use a little Bunuel.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  104. As long as we play into leftists memes to re-elect Barry, all is good.

    Ag80 (ec45d6)

  105. Dude lets vote the democraps in and when Obama declares martial law and becomes pres for life we will start crying.

    Whites won’t end racial profiling……but blacks will um isn’t that racist?

    What about Jan Brewer?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  106. ___________________________________________

    I think you’re overstating your case

    hp, let me add that what truly deserves to be labeled as “sexual harassment” is when a superior snarls “females are inept and lame! I’d rather have a dude do the job! Now get the hell out of here!”

    As for sexual propositioning, most guys have a tough time imagining a situation where sexual interest aimed at them from another person will trigger in them a reaction of (in a southern belle voice): “You cad, you scoundrel! How dare you! I’m greatly offended! I have the vapors and it’s all because of you!”

    By contrast, I can easily see a variety of female women-libber leftists and certain female moral-majority rightists getting overly sensitive about being on the receiving end of singles-night behavior in the workplace. However, I’m not including the act of grabbing or groping, which Bill Clinton — one of the icons of the Democrat Party — was infamous for.

    Mark (411533)

  107. I think the left is racially profiling blacks as sexual predators.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  108. I think the right is having a panic attack as another front-runner blows up.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  109. “Well, serves me right for quoting a right-wing rag like the Journal…”

    angeleno – Or thinking Lanny Davis is interesting for discussing it in the same terms earlier in the day.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  110. “I think the right is having a panic attack as another front-runner blows up.”

    angeleno – I think the left is having a feeding frenzy trying to sink a black Republican. 50 stories on network news in four days based completely on second and third hand sources? Who knew there were so many women named “Anonymous” in this country? Democrat racism and double standards are on full display.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  111. Most women don’t file frivolous sexual harassment charges, not that it hasn’t happened. We are talking about multiple incidents with multiple women. If a settlement was made, somebody must have thought the complaints had at least enough merit to go forward.

    Cain knew these revelations were coming out weeks ago and then totally mishandled the situation when they did. He is now trying to distract us with allegations about who “the leaker” was which is an interesting description of somebody telling a true story about a potential presidential candidate.

    Now he is threatening legal action against a media outlet that has basically done their job by reporting on the incidents. Is Politico unbiased? Of course not but that is beside the point. I was already underwhelmed by 9-9-9 and the fact Cain knows less about national security and foreign affairs than the average political junkie or blogger, now I am really done with him.

    What he actually did is one thing, but his reaction and handling of the matter is very telling indeed. Obama would demolish this buffoon in the debates. It’s Romney. Get used to it.

    Ken Royall (67885e)

  112. “Most women don’t file frivolous sexual harassment charges, not that it hasn’t happened. We are talking about multiple incidents with multiple women. If a settlement was made, somebody must have thought the complaints had at least enough merit to go forward.”

    Ken – Do you have any evidence at all that any harassment charges at all were filed? If so, can you please provide a link.

    Thanks.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  113. Well, if you put as much chum in the water as Herman and his crew, you better expect to draw a crowd.

    I don’t hear anyone bring up Herman’s color except conservatives. The fixation is on your side. No surprise there.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  114. I think the right is having a panic attack as another front-runner blows up.
    Comment by angeleno — 11/3/2011 @ 9:42 pm

    — That’s mildly amusing since, out here in reality-land, NO frontrunner has ‘blown up’.

    Icy (8b7231)

  115. Mr. O has.

    AZ Bob (760373)

  116. Two nominal severance packages 35 and 45 K, from two women, who contacted one of the top people in the industry, Mr. Bennett who could barely get blood out of stone, we’ll see if he does the Sunday
    Morning pundit crawl, but so far a whole lot of nothing.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  117. I think Angeleno blows.

    The fixation on color is with conservatives.

    Irony alert?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  118. angeleno:

    Appearing as a guest on Wednesday’s The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell on MSNBC, Time contributor and MSNBC analyst Toure asserted that Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain “serves a massive psychological purpose” for the GOP as he offers a “Herman Cain card” that can be used by Republicans when they are accused of racism. He went on to charge that Cain is “giving comfort to racism.”

    On MSNBC’s The Last Word Monday, left-wing author Touré went on a racially charged attack on Herman Cain referring to him as a black “minstrelsy” entertainer

    Cornel West: ‘Herman Cain Should Get Off The Symbolic Crack Pipe.’

    Harry Belafonte: Herman Cain ‘A Bad Apple’ And ‘False’ Negro’

    — Okay, now you’ve heard it. What do you think?

    Icy (8b7231)

  119. “I don’t hear anyone bring up Herman’s color except conservatives. The fixation is on your side. No surprise there.”

    angeleno – You’re not watching the right shows, the ones with the white anchors lecturing Cain about how to be a real black man. Good times.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  120. I’ve been sexually harassed in three jobs since I started in the workforce. It is not as uncommon as you might think.

    The first one, a manager locked me in the freezer and wouldn’t let me out until I agreed to go to the drive-in with him. I agreed to get out of the freezer, but never went. He did this to other women, too. It was a nightmare job.

    The second time, the guy gave me a bad employment review despite the fact that I and one other girl were the highest producers of product with the least amount of errors. Why? Because he asked me out and I said no. He wrote that my heart wasn’t into the job. He later got a black eye from kissing the other girl. He was eventually forced out of the company.

    The third time, was from a married man no less. He asked me out to dinner. I thought it was professional to talk about upcoming work issues. When he launched into, “I can’t stop thinking about you.” He was my boss! When I got up to leave, he hugged me and then smelled my hair .. inhaled it … and I thought, ‘how in the hell am I gonna get out of this nightmare?’

    It happens ALL the time.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  121. On Martin Bashir’s television program this afternoon, Democratic strategist and MSNBC analyst Karen Finney said that Republicans are supporting Herman Cain because of his race: “One of the things about Herman Cain is, I think that he makes that white Republican base of the party feel okay, feel like they are not racist because they can like this guy,” Finney said. “I think he giving that base a free pass. And I think they like him because they think he’s a black man who knows his place. I know that’s harsh, but that’s how it sure seems to me.”

    This isn’t the first time liberals have made this kind of charge about Cain and his supporters. During an online production of NBC’s Meet the Press this week, Democratic congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland said white voters support Cain to show they aren’t racist. “I think when [members of the Tea Party] can vote for a Herman Cain and hear him say the things that he says they feel like, ‘Well, you know, I can, I support this guy and…so it shows that I’m not racist and I’m supportive,'” Cummings told host David Gregory.

    Liberal comedienne Janeane Garafalo told Current TV host Keith Olbermann earlier this month that Cain is popular with Republicans because it “hides the racist element” of the party.

    [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    Icy (8b7231)

  122. Cornel West doesn’t seem coherent. I don’t get the crack pipe reference. But the TV talking heads you cite are nothing compared to what I’ve seen on the right wing blogs, particularly this one. Within minutes of the Politico story, JD had dragged out the Clarence Thomas quote. It’s odor hasn’t improved with time.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  123. Hey angeleno, if I wanted to debate Bob Beckel I would go on The Five. You are the one that wrote “I don’t hear anyone bring up Herman’s color except conservatives.” I responded with specific examples (including my 2nd post on the subject which somehow found its way into moderation) of liberal pundits and activists ‘bringing up Herman’s color’. I challenge you to respond to these facts.

    GO!

    Icy (8b7231)

  124. _______________________________________________

    I’ve been sexually harassed in three jobs since I started in the workforce.

    The second situation definitely deserves to be defined as sexual harassment, plain and simple.

    The first scenario — assuming it wasn’t done very, very light-heartedly (IOW, a guy mainly pretending to lock someone in the freezer, or doing it very jokingly for just a few seconds) — straddles a super fine line between outright, explicit physical abuse and merely frat-house type of jocularity or harassment.

    If Cain pulled such stunts, then he’s a fool and perhaps even a kook. Then again, look at all the behavior that Bill Clinton — someone who commands big lecture fees and receives swooning affection from so many liberals/Democrats — is infamous for.

    As for the “left-wing author Touré” on MSNBC, Harry Belafonte and Cornel West, they’re the essence of the people I have in mind when I muse that if much of black America suddenly became truly centrist to conservative, various leftists would start gunning for the days of Jim Crow. That’s because if ideology were a race or ethnicity, the only “race” that idiots like Toure/Belafonte/West would care about would be “left-oid” or liberal-isian.”

    Mark (411533)

  125. _____________________________________________

    When he launched into, “I can’t stop thinking about you.”

    Regarding that type of situation, if a woman has her wits about her, she can start discussing the way that bad human odors — particularly around the crevices of the human body — and poor hygiene turns her off, and say that almost all guys are slobs when it comes to such things.

    She can then also discuss how the genitalia of all dudes tends to look flimsy, small and stupid, and then imply she’s more intrigued by the look of chicks, not guys. After all, we live in the era of “GLBT.”

    In this culture of post-Bill-Clinton and Howard Stern, etc, playing the role of a sweet, innocent young girl — batting her eyelashes and being naive about the intentions of the boss across the table — is damn foolish and very passe.

    Mark (411533)

  126. Sing n’spin, Reverend Cain:

    “When the moon hits your eye
    Like a big pizza pie, that’s amore;
    When the world all seems fine
    Like you’ve had too much wine,
    That’s amore…”

    -source ‘That’s Amore,’ by Dean Martin

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  127. No, that’s just in the words of General Honore, ‘stuck on stupid’ thinking, now Toure is a 9/11 denialist, and West, a protege of James Cone, the original black liberationist, and Belafonte, a Chavista, so that covers a whole series of Venn diagrams,

    narciso (0fc95f)

  128. B-but Herman complimented her.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  129. Anyway How come Obama threw Madman qaddaffi under the bus?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  130. the left thinks this will work like gun buybacks will stop people fromcommitting murder.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  131. I like Toby Keith at last he is a Patriotic Repub.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  132. Some pundits are upset that Cain didn’t seem to have a plan to respond to this story, but maybe he did. Maybe he always planned to play the victim and blame the media and Perry. Cain is rising in the polls so if that was his plan, it worked.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  133. Well, I think it’s more out of necessity, than any fixed strategy,

    narciso (0fc95f)

  134. “Some pundits are upset that Cain didn’t seem to have a plan to respond to this story, but maybe he did.”

    DRJ – Which story is Cain supposed to respond to? As soon as one appears it gets revised or disputed. How many competing stories have there been so far? I’ve lost track.

    It seems very unproductive to me for Cain to keep responding to the latest second hand story involving anonymous people. My recommendation to Cain would be to zip it until there are specifics, including names, times, places, who said and did what to respond to.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  135. Cain knew enough to brief his campaign in 2003.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  136. DRJ

    Rove was on saying that these polls havent had the scandal fully digested – the pundits have been wrong on Cain since the beginning but the pundits are saying that he is finished

    I dont think so, but I question why he’s running, he clearly doesnt want the job

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  137. And Rove was going to to be ‘frogmarched’ as Kimberlin’s associate Jason Leopold promised, right after they found the ‘smoking gun’ Enron memo.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  138. least*

    from committing*

    DohBiden (d54602)

  139. Also at this point they are not anonymous – Cain has acknowledged they exist, several news agencies including the WSJ have seen at least some documentation, so the anonymous meme is over.

    As Hemmer just said on Fox news – the women are due to speak today and there maybe more women coming out to tell their story as well and if any of them are credible…

    considering the risk they are taking to a lifetime of ridicule I wonder just what did happen

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  140. Karl, dude, Cain is just the latest not-Romney standing.
    If you really dont want Willard, you bettah start talking about Medved’s 65% hypothesis and anti-mormon sentiment in white voters.

    wheeler's cat (9f8c21)

  141. It’s highly unlikely they are telling the truth.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  142. Yet Anita Hill is back with another memoir after 20 years, any questions.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  143. Doh

    really? And how do you know that? Cain is a married man and a preacher – is soliciting and possibly forcing young women to have sex with you give him the leg up on credibility?

    Lets move away from the scandal completely, he lied about having “hundreds” of economists working on 9 9 9. He lied about being offended by rick Perrys rock when he knew the details.

    He’s played the race card at this point more than Obama had in his early campaign, last thing we need is someone who acts like he is – sans the scandal

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  144. “Cain knew enough to brief his campaign in 2003.”

    DRJ – He also made a definitive statement on Fox News Tuesday morning.

    He needs to shut up.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  145. “Also at this point they are not anonymous – Cain has acknowledged they exist, several news agencies including the WSJ have seen at least some documentation, so the anonymous meme is over.”

    EPWJ – The women are anonymous to the public. What Cain supposedly did or did not do is also a mystery at this point, or are you going to claim clarity again on that point.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  146. Good morning, Icy. You’ve pulled together more than enough examples to make it necessary for me to concede that I was wrong. As you’ve shown quite a few Democrats have brought up Cain’s race, mainly to speculate on what makes him appealing to Republicans. Clearly I should get out more — or at least watch more TV.

    angeleno (f228b8)

  147. Actually we ignore much of this, except to laugh at the link, While Clinton was dallying over at Oxford, Cain was calculating ballistics for the US Navy, then he moved on up the corporate ladder, from Burger King to Pillsbury to rescuing Domino’s
    Pizza,

    narciso (0fc95f)

  148. You accusing others of playing the race card is rich.

    By the way loose cannon you don’t get to exonerate Newt of his transgressions just becaus ehe endorsed that Marxist RINO Dede Scuzzyfatso.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  149. doh

    I know facts literally mean nothing to you – but Newt “never” endorsed Dee Dee just like I never supported and endorsed Dee Dee even though you for months said I did

    Look, you are a good person, Newt just tried to explain that Dee Dee was leading for a reason and was chosen for a reason over Owens who turned out to be a total nutbag

    and in the cusp of the midnight meetings to enact Pelosi care in the house – this vote was considered the tipping point as it passed by just 2 votes Dee Dee winning would have prevented – maybe for at least a few weeks – Obama care passing initially in the house

    But somehow that gets a morphed into snarkism on the internet and he was right about Ryans plan which is another of these 9 9 9 table napkin talking point clusterF@cks – what is needed is cutting spending and appealing Obama care

    then we can work down the tax rates – i agree

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  150. and Doh no is doubting he is playing the race card – just google it boyo :)

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  151. Sure, right, these are not the droids you’re looking for:

    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/newt_gingrich_endorses_dede_sc.html

    narciso (0fc95f)

  152. no one is doubting – sorry

    Cain was blasted by rice for playing it

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  153. The same idiot who compared opponents of islam to supporters of Jim Crow laws.

    BTW if the perrybots refuse to vote for Cain and give obama 4 years they deserve to be hung for treason.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  154. Narcisco

    but he withdrew it almost the next day, and warned both sides that it was more important to stop cap and trade and obama care = Hoffman was thrust into it by outspending everyone by huge factors – still lost – then did a Ross Perot and made sure the Republicans didnt capture the seat the next year

    Its not a good thing that people endorsed Hoffman – it was a very bad thing and helped directly ruin the country by allowing Pelosi to pass Obama care

    The fact that Newt has huge baggage and is still closing in on Romney is not a coincidence

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  155. _____________________________________________

    these are not the droids you’re looking for:

    Gingrich is apparently willing to overlook Scozzafava’s support for same-sex marriage and abortion rights.

    Oh, really? Big whoop. After all, Gingrich was slagging on social conservatives just a few months ago, so I don’t think he was all that bothered by Scozzafava’s so-called centrism (ie, only in super-blue-state New York would someone like her be a “centrist”). Moreover, the way he dealt with his ex-wife leads me to suspect there’s plenty of ideological squish in the guy.

    Mark (411533)

  156. No, he still hadn’t learned his lesson, just like
    when he put the dagger in Ryan’s plan.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/02/nation/na-gop-new-york2

    narciso (0fc95f)

  157. narcisco

    there was no Ryan plan, Ryans a liberal Norther and has zero point zero capability – what he did was write down cookie cutter stuff than has been rejected as unworkable for the last 3 decades

    He also is a huge spender he is one of those republicans who is trying to rehabilitate his career

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  158. I’m not promoting Gingrich – but he is the greatist conservative Republican and is hugely responsible for this country’s new conservative movement and retaking congress after 70 years and having the ability to retake it today

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  159. STFU Eric you c*nt.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  160. You mean the guy who cheated on his wife because of devotion to the country?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  161. Perrybots-I will never vote for Cain because my ego matters more to me than America.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  162. Doh

    Really thats it? school yard taunts? This is the depth of you? Conversations can only take place under doh supervision?

    We should rename Patterico’s Oontifications to “Doh Blog”

    You’ve been banned other places right?

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  163. narciso… between Bob Woodward’s rote recital of liberal dogma about “sexual harassment” and Ben Bradlee’s unintentionally funny crap about Chrissie Matthews’s book being set apart from the rest of the pack’s crap on same subject matter because… well, because it was written by Chrissie Matthews and that Cain “had it comin'”, it’s the decline of Western Civilization, ala mode.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  164. “Patterico’s Oontifications”… classic!

    he’s oontificating!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  165. Yet Anita Hill is back with another memoir after 20 years, any questions.

    Yes… has that pubic hair resting on the Coke® can turned gray yet?

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  166. Like I say, the irony, ‘crosses the streams’

    narciso (0fc95f)

  167. another question… what has happened to Dustin and the irascible recombinant05? Sucked up in a Texas Twister?

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  168. Colonel, you think they won’t go after Romney in the same way, they have gone after the other candidates, you really think the truth is a bar
    to these people, look at these week’s events.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  169. narcisco,

    romney’s been out there for awhile – I would be highly surprized if anything like that comes up – he has problems with taxes but those have been explained away as paying penalties to regain his Mass elegibility to run for Gov after leaving to run the Salt Lake Olympics and stayed there to enjoy the cheaper taxes

    Cain just has a disgusting ad accusing Republicans of being essentially klansmen

    At this point I dont even think this guy is sane, conservative and christian

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  170. Hundred bucks say Cain’s accusers are white females being manipulated to tear down his political prospects because he is black. I never lose a bet.

    The Emperor who never loses a bet. (966ba7)

  171. I see a potential problem here for Romney and Perry. If at the end of this, Cain is vindicated and the people love him, they will have to kiss their presidential race good bye. And if on the other hand this hurts Cain, they would be blamed for bringing down another Republican star and so lose out with the voters. So the question here is, how involved are Romney and Perry in all this?

    The Emperor who never loses a bet. (590845)

  172. “he has problems with taxes but those have been explained away as paying penalties to regain his Mass elegibility to run for Gov after leaving to run the Salt Lake Olympics and stayed there to enjoy the cheaper taxes”

    EPWJ – By explained away do you mean filing amended state tax returns and paying the correct amount of tax to both Utah and Massachusetts to reflect a Massachusetts rather than Utah primary residence, or are you hinting at something sinister?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  173. Where did I say you can’t speak you paranoid windsock?

    No Colonel They were injected with gardasil transforming them inot zombies.

    MasterProjectionist (d54602)

  174. Emperor,

    I Agree but Cain is not really wanting the job and I think his handling of the crisis was to preserve his marriage and his standing in the community and not to preserve his campaign – he realizes that its only going to get worse if he is the nominee against Barack

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  175. Colonel, you think they won’t go after Romney in the same way, they have gone after the other candidates, you really think the truth is a bar
    to these people, look at these week’s events.

    The dishonest louts who employ this sort of stuff against any candidate are only enabled with as much power as honest people allow them to have.

    Honesty as well as maximum pushback against garbage strategery is required. This bilge won’t register with critical-thinkers if it is shown for what it is… my $.02.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  176. I don’t think this guy is a conservative sane and christian.

    Are you? Didn’t think so.

    By the way he was talking about the left you scrunt.

    MasterProjectionist (d54602)

  177. When Charlie Chaplin was gettin’ busy with his missus, he was Oontificating.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  178. EPWJ – I know the state of residence of politicians is one of your favorite smears to raise. Democrats challenged Romney’s ability to appear on the 2002 Massachusetts Gubenatorial ballot. They lost.

    What tax problems does or did he have? Can you please explain your comment #176.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  179. JD: “You will beclown yourself again today.”
    Eric: “I will beclown myself again today.”
    JD: “You will lie and say that Herman Cain does not really want to be president.”
    Eric: “I will lie and say that Herman Cain does not really want to be president.”
    JD: “To further prove your asshattery you will type ‘Cain just has a disgusting ad accusing Republicans of being essentially klansmen’.
    Eric: “To further prove my asshattery I will type ‘Cain just has a disgusting ad accusing Republicans of being essentially klansmen‘.”

    Icy (5dc5b3)

  180. Most women don’t file frivolous sexual harassment charges,

    No, most women don’t file harassment charges at all, frivolous or legit. But of the ones who file charges, what makes you think most are neither false nor frivolous? What’s there to stop them?

    You sound like those who claim that any woman who says she was raped should be believed, because women don’t make up such stories. Sure, most women don’t make up such stories, but most women are also never raped, so that cuts both ways. If a woman does say she’s been raped, what is the likelihood that she’s lying? What most women do is irrelevant. The fact is that it is common for rape charges to be false; many women who cry rape are lying, so in any specific instance one must look at the evidence before assuming that it’s not a lie.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  181. If a settlement was made, somebody must have thought the complaints had at least enough merit to go forward.

    Now I know you don’t live on this planet. Have you never heard of nuisance money?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  182. @Eric, I see your point. The man seems to have given himself over to his fate with his fingers crossed, hoping it will all go away. Wonder what is going on in his mind right now…..

    The Emperor (2d3eac)

  183. The first one, a manager locked me in the freezer

    I don’t believe you. If he’d done that you’d not merely have reneged on your extorted promise, you’d have called the police and charged him with kidnapping.

    [note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  184. Icy

    Sure

    By the way, who exactly is Cain charging with figuratively lynching him? Sure the spot goes after Al Sharpton and Cornell West but Cain is still insisting that the harassment story was leaked by a Perry staffer. Is that staffer or Perry the lyncher here? Don’t forget that Cain was quick to jump on Perry over the ‘racist rock’ crap, so there’s some history here.

    If Cain wants to call someone in the Republican party a racist and a lyncher, have the guts to say it.

    I’m not the only one

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  185. He was not calling anyone in the gop a racist you hypocrite.

    He was referring to the left get that through your thick skull you slow piece of trash.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  186. Cain was accused of sexual harrasment by bitter butthurt feminazis.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  187. – is soliciting and possibly forcing young women to have sex with you give him the leg up on credibility?

    Did Eric ever source this claim?

    While at an international investment seminar, I saw a guy poke himself in the eye with a spoon while trying to eat yogurt. He said he got distracted counting jooooooos.

    I said, “Eric?!”

    JD (318f81)

  188. Cain just has a disgusting ad accusing Republicans of being essentially klansmen

    — Link, please. Where is this “disgusting ad”?

    Icy (5dc5b3)

  189. @197 –The “accusing” ad’s gotta be the super PAC video clearly titled “High tech lynching– Don’t let the Left Do it again” as shown at Hot Air and prominently featuring Sharpton, West and Belafonte. Heh. I don’t think the team R tent is quite that big.

    elissa (8b4ca0)

  190. ” By the way, who exactly is Cain charging with figuratively lynching him?”

    EPWJ – Do you need help figuring this out? Seriously? Apart from yourself, there have been a lot of people on Team Lynch.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  191. Pollutico has done 90 stories on it so far this week.

    The three networks did 50 stories between Monday and midday Thursday.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  192. The particulars are less important than the overall picture Americans are seeing of Cain’s executive skills at crisis management. If nuclear missiles suddenly appeared in Cuba, breaking into ‘Amazing Grace’ or exclaiming “Excuse me! Excuse me!” won’t wash.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  193. “The particulars are less important than the overall picture Americans are seeing of Cain’s executive skills at crisis management.”

    DCSCA – Compared to Obama’s dithering and leading from behind, I don’t think Cain suffers by comparison. After all, Dan Rather said he didn’t think Obama could sell watermelons by the side of the road even if he had state troopers flagging down the cars for him.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  194. daley–

    As you point out, “the overall picture Americans are seeing” is that with respect to Cain the media has engaged in bullying, exaggeration and and rumor mongering to an almost unprecedented degree considering their complete inability to give facts or offer verifiable/credible witnesses or accusers (so far). Will any American journalist be professional enough and brave enough to step forward and say so? One need not be a supporter of Herman Cain’s candidacy or even a Republican to see what is going on here and be disgusted by it. Investigative journalism and responsible journalism should not be mutually exclusive.

    elissa (8b4ca0)

  195. Oh niez the iceberg is cracking that means gorebull warming is happening causing freak snowstorms!!!Eleventyone!!!

    Quick let’s sacrifice Herman Cain to Moloch.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  196. If there was a sudden terrorist attack, if Cain acted the same way as he has acted here, he could easily blame the wrong people. But anyway.

    Some thing is wrong both with what Cain said – did he himself remember speaking to Curt Anderson oir was he at best guessing?

    Wrong with cain and wrong wioth the leaks.

    The New York Times and Politico seem to be talking abouyt the same case but Politiucio put the woman in her early twentioes, whiole the New York Times said she was abouyt 20 years younger than Cain which would put her in her 30s in 1999.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  197. Oops out of time
    So tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1999

    I was dreamin’ when I wrote this
    So sue me if I go 2 fast

    But life is just a party
    And parties weren’t meant 2 last

    War is all around us
    My mind says prepare 2 fight

    So if I gotta die
    I’m gonna listen 2 my body tonight

    Yeah, they say two thousand zero zero party over
    Oops out of time

    So tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1999
    Yeah

    Lemme tell ya somethin’
    If U didn’t come 2 party
    Don’t bother knockin’ on my door
    I got a lion in my pocket
    And baby he’s ready 2 roar

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  198. Keep it up little chicken maoists.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  199. daleyrocks,

    There are basically 3 ways to deal with problems like this:

    (1). Do nothing and hope the story never comes out.
    (2). Be proactive and announce the story in a way that frames it as positively as possible.
    (3). Wait for the story to leak.

    I don’t think Cain could reasonably believe (1) would happen because the opposition research in a Presidential campaign is intense. The conventional wisdom in litigation is to do (2), and many people think it’s also smart to be proactive in politics. I’m suggesting Cain may have intentionally done (3) but instead of having a definitive “answer,” his plan was to respond by portraying himself as an indignant victim of a liberal press and political opponents. Of course, this only makes sense if Cain believed the story could not be easily explained and would eventually come out, but too many people knew about it for Cain to credibly believe it would stay a secret. I might even believe he leaked the story himself.

    I agree with you that at this point Cain’s best bet is to go silent, but not because the claims were or are impossible to identify and answer. I think he should go silent because it plays into his theme that he is being victimized. But whether or not this was a politically savvy response, I think Cain has done a good job managing this crisis because so far he’s turned a negative into a potential positive.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  200. Cain is guilty even if he is revealed to be clean.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  201. Big deal, Sammy… Colonel has a rocket in his pocket and his finger in da socket.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  202. I don’t think these hoochies should be taken seriously

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  203. If nuclear missiles suddenly appeared in Cuba, breaking into ‘Amazing Grace’ or exclaiming “Excuse me! Excuse me!” won’t wash.

    Comment by DCSCA

    or they could suddenly appear in Iran and he could go on Ellen and boogie down like Obambi!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  204. ASPCA is Repetitive Comedy Gold®

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  205. Apparently the National Restaurant Association agreed to waive the confidentiality agreement, and lawyer Joel Bennett has issued a statement. So this story isn’t over yet.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  206. I think Cain is listening to Mark Block, who is causing him a lot of trouble.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  207. Any incidents happened in 1999:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/us/politics/woman-said-to-feel-work-hostility-after-alleged-encounter-with-cain.html?_r=1&sq=kershaw&st=cse&scp=3&pagewanted=all

    In an interview, Thomas A. Kershaw, who served as chairman of the board of the association in 1997 and 1998, said that he was not aware of any allegations against Mr. Cain. But he said his sense of humor left room for misinterpretation. “Herman is kind of a kidder, kind of a jokester, particularly when he’s in a relaxed situation,” he said. “I think some people misunderstood what he was saying or what his intent was.”

    He added, “I know he’s just a great guy and a wonderful motivator and so forth. I just can’t figure this out.”

    Were they getting him drunk? Does Herman cain actually not remember – did not remember then – what may have happened?

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  208. Sunday October 23, 2011 New York article

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/us/politics/herman-cain-running-as-outsider-came-to-washington-as-lobbyist.html?sq=cain%20washington%20headquarters&st=cse&scp=3&pagewanted=all

    ….had this:

    Mr. Cain did not entirely become a creature of Washington during his time here. He kept his home in Omaha, where the pizza company was headquartered, and took an apartment in the Northern Virginia suburbs. Weekdays, when he was not traveling, he worked out of the association’s Washington headquarters. Weekends, he flew home to his wife in Omaha.

    Thursday November 3, 2011 New York Times article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/us/politics/herman-cain-accuses-rick-perry-of-smear-campaign.html?sq=gatherings%20had%20cain&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=all

    Living away from his family while working at the association headquarters in Washington, he was as ready to go out after work as were many of the younger, single employees, similarly free from family obligations, several former staff members said.

    The gatherings had a mix of restaurant industry bravado, innuendo and joking, these people said, and Mr. Cain joined right in, setting the scene for at least one of the accusations of inappropriate conduct, people familiar with the incident said, but also for other interactions that left staff members wondering whether he had crossed a line.

    The scene that they are talking about is the Ciao Baby Cucina.

    Some of the sources may only have seen the complaint. Not only are they not saying some of the sources don’t even know what happened – reporters went to people who might ahve attended that party. The date is so far being kept hidden by the press. But at least we have the WHERE. We still don’t have the WHAT, WHO we only have some clues about except that it all invoplves something cain may or may not have done – or does it? – WHEN can be deduced as only in 1999.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  209. daleyrocks,

    If the Cain campaign didn’t prepare for this story because it was too vague and they didn’t believe it would be a problem, then the nicest thing I could say is that thinking is foolishly optimistic … and I don’t think Herman Cain is a fool. Of course, I could be wrong.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  210. Answer my question, Eric.

    Icy (5dc5b3)

  211. Will we have 50 pieces on this, don’t hold your breath;

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/04/white-house-fires-back-at-overbroad-subpoena-on-solyndra-documents/

    khan noonian singh, (0fc95f)

  212. And two days later, elissa’s clarion of a post still rings true. All of this pathetic coverage of what Cain was alleged to have said or some hand motions he was alleged to have made that allegedly made someone “uncomfortable”… all of this takes the ongoing disaster known as the Obama administration off of the front pages and off of the blogs.

    Enough!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  213. the Three Card Monte
    obama primps and he preens
    wait til sh*t hits fan

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  214. “If the Cain campaign didn’t prepare for this story because it was too vague and they didn’t believe it would be a problem, then the nicest thing I could say is that thinking is foolishly optimistic”

    DRJ – From my perspective, still no actual info about the allegations or quotes from his accusers, the story is completely vague at this point. NRA was willing to lift confidentiality today but now Bennett’s client does not want to come forward or discuss details of what happened. More vagueness. Turns out settlement happened after Cain left the NRA and he was not a party to the agreement.

    I agree with your statement about preparation but stick to my earlier statement about Cain. After what he said on Fox Tuesday denying involvement in any harassment he should have shut up and told the media if the had anything with specifics, not second and third hand info to respond to, he would be happy to, that it is irresponsible to respond to rumors.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  215. DRJ @210 – This isn’t litigation, it is PR. You are not trying to undercut adversaries in a court room setting, you are trying to do it in the court of public opinion.

    Admittedly the Cain campaign has a bunch of neophytes among it, but the issue apparently did not surface during his Senate campaign. Maybe he did not think it would surface here. That was probably naive if it was his position. Still, letting others raise it, whatever “it” is, since we still don’t know, do we, and being able to take a position that there is nothing there does seem unreasonable.

    Just look at EPWJ, yesterday he had Cain convicted of assault and forcing unwanted sex on a woman and he was not alone. Yet after five days of brouhaha we still have no idea of the underlying allegations against Cain. All we know is that chump change settlements were made with two women for them to leave the NRA. Not very good journalism and not a very ground shaking story IMHO.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  216. Does not seem unreasonable.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  217. I think Cain ate one of the victims………………..just kidding.

    Obama (d54602)

  218. khan – So exactly how far has this five day feeding frenzy advanced our understanding of these issues in Cain’s background?

    I’ve seen words like lawsuits tossed around loosely when there is no indication that any lawsuits were filed.

    I am happy to report the incident has provided a forum for EPWJ to revive smears on Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Nikki Haley, Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney and probably a few others I’m forgetting, so there is that to be thankful for.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  219. I like Mr. Herman I don’t think he done nuffin on those silly racist hoochies

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  220. _____________________________________________

    all of this takes the ongoing disaster known as the Obama administration off of the front pages and off of the blogs.

    As we’re worrying about the judgment of a guy who probably is prone to thinking with his crotch instead of his brain — as is unfortunately true of a high percentage of males — we Americans can at least take comfort that another guy — who is prone to thinking in a “goddamn America” manner — currently occupies the White House.

    latimes.com, November 4, 2011:

    Despite weeks of tough warnings, the Obama administration has backed away from its calls to impose new and potentially crippling economic sanctions against Iran in retaliation for an alleged plot to kill Saudi Arabia’s ambassador on U.S. soil, according to diplomats and American officials.

    The pivot to more limited tactics has surprised some other governments that expected bold action after the administration warned that it would not tolerate Iranian terrorist plots on American soil.

    washingtonexaminer.com: President Obama’s attorney sent a letter to Congressional investigators on Friday, saying the White House would not cooperate with a subpoena requesting documents related to its doling out a $535 million loan guarantee to now bankrupt solar panel manufacturer Solyndra.

    Committee chairman Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich, blasted the White House response: …Now, we need to know the White House’s role in the Solyndra debacle in order to learn the full truth about why taxpayers now find themselves a half billion dollars in the hole. The White House could have avoided the need for subpoena authorizations if they had simply chosen to cooperate.

    AP, November 4: Israel’s president says the international community is closer to pursuing a military solution to the standoff over Iran’s nuclear program than a diplomatic one.

    The remarks by Shimon Peres to Israel’s channel 2 TV Friday were unusual because he is known as a dove and optimist.

    Mark (411533)

  221. Sorry, for the sock, they’ve chased up and down the Mutaran nebula, with the Reliant and the Enterprise
    in close proximity,

    A couple of things didn’t ring true, from the outset, well the lack of names of the persons involved,or the acts that occurred, PJ Media, ‘really blew up the truck this time around,the timeline, then the meager amount of the award, specially when I discovered who the attorney was,

    narciso (0fc95f)

  222. “Van der Leun, summarizes it with more style;”

    narciso – Nice, that makes everything as clear as all the reporting.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  223. For some reason this classic song popped into my head.

    You’ve got to save me Save me from tomorrow
    I don’t want to sail with no ship of fools

    http://youtu.be/dKv9p-lyKNA

    elissa (8b4ca0)

  224. For those here who are saying that Cain has been vindicated – he hasent. Its clear he acted inappropriately, that many credible witnessess have corroborated the story and I dont find it unusual for someone who was humiliated to want to be judged in front of the whole country forever.

    She said the comments stand and unless Cain can produce something/someone that it didnt happen, then well, his compnay by lieu of payment admitted that it did, regardless of what these agreements stipulate the paying of money IS an ADMISSION of guilt, otherwise, simply they wouldnt have done it

    The current meme that its cheaper – well not really true, remember the plantiff has to come up with the money as well for their legal team, thats where all this falls apart – no lawyer is going to take this on for a wing and a prayer and how much did the NRA pay in legal fees to both sides?

    I see he has slipped in the latest poll (not one that is accurate though) several points and Perry is rising – its way way to soon to see a trend here but Cain admitted something happened all the way back to 2003 but played stupid at first.

    he lied, not good

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  225. “For those here who are saying that Cain has been vindicated – he hasent. Its clear he acted inappropriately”

    EPWJ – What did he do?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  226. ==For those here who are saying that Cain has been vindicated==

    Who would “those” be? I must have missed those comments. Are they somewhere on this thead? Was the word “vindicated” used?

    elissa (8b4ca0)

  227. Good song, elissa! Somehow, this one fits, too:

    http://youtu.be/UD4cGH44Ngc

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  228. She said the comments stand and unless Cain can produce something/someone that it didnt happen, then well, his compnay by lieu of payment admitted that it did, regardless of what these agreements stipulate the paying of money IS an ADMISSION of guilt, otherwise, simply they wouldnt have done

    Aggressive lies following distortions and half truths.

    JD (318f81)

  229. elissa

    the nature of the comments surely

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  230. I thought the guy that poked himself in the eye with a sppon was the dummerest person on the innertubes. I forgot how brain-jarringly stupid epwj can be. In re-reading this thread it is remarkable how he accuses Cain of forcing himself on the girl against her will, rape. You should be ashamed, epwj. But you won’t.

    JD (318f81)

  231. EPWJ – Yesterday you claimed Cain was guilty of assault and forcing unwanted sex on a woman.

    Is that still your position?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  232. It is like epwj is actually having a discussion with someone in meatspace, but responds to them here. Because as Elissa has often pointed out, the words he jams down other people’s throats are simply figments of his fevered imagination.

    JD (318f81)

  233. “She said the comments stand and unless Cain can produce something/someone that it didnt happen, then well, his compnay by lieu of payment admitted that it did, regardless of what these agreements stipulate the paying of money IS an ADMISSION of guilt, otherwise, simply they wouldnt have done it”

    EPWJ – Are you a lawyer? Seriously?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  234. JD

    Did you make your appointment with the FBI yet to discuss the “evidence” you claimed to have concerning Alaska?

    Just curious

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  235. EPWJ – Yesterday you claimed Cain was guilty of assault and forcing unwanted sex on a woman.

    By your standards you need to immediately report him to the Virginia police so that he can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Run, don’t walk.

    [note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  236. EPJW shall answer the question.

    Attack Watch (0ca188)

  237. You accused the leading Team R primary candidate of rape, Palin of a felony ghost payrollee, and Sen Rubio of grand theft. Put up or shut up, beeyotch.

    JD (318f81)

  238. Do you have proof Palin is a racist?

    Do you have proof I want to ban you?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  239. EPWJ has the same sources as Ace and CNN, but I have not seen Ace or CNN making rape allegations against Cain.

    Why is that?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  240. These bastages do not need proof for anything like how Gorebull warming causes ice to break apart but not melt.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  241. That disgusting Herman Cain ad accusing fellow Republicans of being klansman, have you found it yet, Eric?

    Icy (5dc5b3)

  242. God makes us old for a reason.

    I assume God created money-grubbing hobags for areason also.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  243. a reason*

    DohBiden (d54602)

  244. Cain is a class-less joke

    Says the people who think Sarah Palin can see russia from her house or that Michelle Malkin is too dumb to breathe on her own.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  245. A “Koch brother from another mother” pretty much defines who he panders to. LOVE IT that he is ahead in the Repub. polls! Please, please choose Cain! Obama v. Cain 2012!!

    tifosa (3265d9)

  246. Doh, has perfected the nonsequitor of Joe Biden, as voiced by Homer Simpson or is it Peter Griffith

    narciso (0fc95f)

  247. I’m just overjoyed the Democrats are still planning on running Obama.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  248. You see, daley, it’s not just what does get (over)covered, it’s what doesn’t get covered:

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/8605585-418/prosecutors-rezko-should-get-up-to-15-years-in-prison.html

    narciso (0fc95f)

  249. Titosa is more honest than epwj.

    JD (420a58)

  250. The media gave Obama 10-15 points in the last election. I see no reason why we should allow them to frame debates or choose our candidates. Sarah Palin is a great example of someone refusing to play by the media’s rules and still getting her message out. Cain may have been naive in not expecting something to leak out on these incidents, but in my view his mistake was talking too much rather than too little. Make one statement. Say all that’s all you’re going to say. Refuse to play by the rules the media is attempting to impose on you. Say it’s all silly. Just look back on this past week. What have we learned? Anything definitive to harm Cain’s candidacy? It does not look like it and the polls do not indicate it.

    Great job MSM!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  251. By their standards, it is, if you remember that purpose of the media, refined by the Journolist, is to serve the ‘narrative’ not the truth,

    narciso (0fc95f)

  252. “The budget hawk applauds Romney’s fiscal plan:

    For months, Rep. Paul Ryan has been watching the GOP presidential primary. As candidates have outlined tax reforms and championed growth, he’s cheered. On the fiscal front, however, he has heard little from leading contenders. Privately, he’s grumbled about the lack of specifics.

    But after recent conversations with Romney and reading his latest USA Today op-ed, Ryan is enthused. The former Massachusetts governor supports a defined-contribution model for Medicare — in which beneficiaries are allowed to choose their own plans — the keystone of the budget passed by House Republicans. “It shows we’re all singing from the same hymnal,” he says.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282358/ryan-praises-romney-robert-costa

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  253. yep, daley… the MSM want to put anybody but Obama on the defensive. They’ll conduct a high-intensity shooting war using blanks for ammunition. It’s the noise they are after.

    Turn the heat up on Obama and the Democrats in Congress!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  254. shortest retirement on record?

    Andy Rooney has died: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/us/andy-rooney-mainstay-on-60-minutes-dead-at-92.html

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  255. Great job, Barry Obama!

    “The emergence of images of a black al-Qaeda flag flying atop the Benghazi courthouse, the symbolic cradle of Libya’s anti-Qaddafi rebellion, has provoked hasty efforts at damage control by defenders of the rebellion and the new Libyan order. The latter, mostly operating under cover of anonymity in online comments sections, have suggested, among other things, that the images were photoshopped, that the flag is not in fact the al-Qaeda flag, and that the raising of the flag was an isolated incident: the work of, as one commentator here put it, a “small group of Islamists.” But pictorial evidence posted on an Arabic-language Islamic Internet forum reveals that the Benghazi waterfront was in fact covered by a veritable sea of al-Qaeda flags last week: both the “classic” black version and a more novel white one.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282353/benghazi-sea-al-qaeda-flags-john-rosenthal

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  256. We need to forcefully turn the focus back to Obama and spend the months running up to next November’s election hammering Obama on his many well-documented failures.

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  257. That’s because Jibril maybe a nice guy, U Pittsburgh
    Ph’d, but Bel Hadj, of the LFG provided the muscle,
    and calls the tune.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  258. Debate tonight: Cain vs Gingrich, 90 minute, modified Lincoln-Douglas format. C-SPAN 5PM.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  259. Did you find it yet, EPWJ?

    Icy (8bf790)

  260. Did he find what?

    His brain?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  261. peewee johnson must
    dance to different drummer
    it ain’t Gene Krupa

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  262. or Ginger Baker
    In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
    Iron Buttahfly

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  263. now this is cover art!

    http://mimg.ugo.com/200806/19724/disraeli-gears.jpg

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  264. Those occupy protesters could use some drumming lessons. They really do not sound good when compared against the best, do they, Col.?

    elissa (05e1de)

  265. No, elissa, they most certainly do NOT!

    ColonelHaiku (fbf87d)

  266. Typical. When confronted with the latest in his long string of LIES, EPWJ runs away.

    Icy (8bf790)

  267. EPWJ? Who’s that?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  268. EPWJ?

    Isn’t he the same twat that called the right wing a racist.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  269. POLITICO

    Partisan Oppressive Leftists Ideologically Trying to Incinerate Conservatives Online

    VZwt (3e2630)

  270. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying these alligations are true however you seem to be implying that there isn’t any ground between prostitute and gold digger?

    No way she needed to keep her job and had to continue to work there for weeks or months? No way it took her some time to understand that she was coerced? Or forced into a sexual liaison against her will?

    Sure it is possible that he has been wronged. It is also possible that she has. We don’t know yet but staking out the ground as only prostitution or gold digger doesn’t seem reasonable.

    sookie (60809e)

  271. I suppose “sookie” could show us where this exclusively prostitute or gold digger false choice was laid out. Good Allah, this form of making up crap gets so tiring. Epwj is the master of this, sookie. You have way more work to go.

    JD (395555)

  272. Hang it in baby, hang it in baby
    Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sookie, Sue
    !!!

    Icy (27fad8)

  273. How’s what his name, the vampire from True Blood,
    ‘Otto’ has a protege, that’s so cute sigh.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  274. Our favorite export to Jakarta hasent been seen lately.

    Icy (27fad8)

  275. Icy – Fluffing for Perry is keeping him busy.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  276. How many times has Gingrich flip-floppe don the hoax of gorebull warming.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  277. The very fact that his sexual harassment troubles began while he was CEO of the National Restaurant Association should start to clue more people in to the idea that he is more of a Washington insider than he’d like us to think. After all, the NRA is a lobbying group. Serving as its head as he did for several years meant that Cain was pursuing a profession most Americans think is even lower than being a congressman or a journalist.

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  278. Bolding your smears doesn’t really change anything. You accused Cain of rape, sans evidence. We await your correction and apology.

    JD (207300)

  279. JD

    It wasnt my allegation but that of at least 2 who witnessed the incident – you need to take it up with them as well as finally meet your appointment with the FBI in Indy – they ARE waiting for you after someone (not me) notified them and the Seantor’s office that you claimed to have first hand knowledge of her corruption.

    these are serious charges you have levied repeatedly and they are awaiting your timely visit

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  280. flip-flopped on*

    I thought 9-11 was bush’s fault according to the left?

    Now they are revealed to be liars?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  281. You are a serial liar.

    JD (207300)

  282. JD

    Umm, did you meet with them yet? Its the highest civic duty.

    but lets not go back and forth, we know that Cain lied right? Only question is the number and the extent correct?

    Even Kat McKinley is wondering no ones knows but Cain and these women who do not want to be “Tripped” up in life.

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  283. It wasnt my allegation but that of at least 2 who witnessed the incident

    — Really? So now your story is that 2 people WITNESSED Herman Cain RAPING a woman?!

    What will you think of next???

    The mind boggles.

    Icy (27fad8)

  284. You are a liar. You accused a presidential candidate of rape. You did. You accused a sitting Senator of felony grand theft. You did. You claimed Breitbart would be indicted. You claimed to count the jooooooooooos in Iran, and Christians in UAE. You accused a former candidate of being a racist. You did. You claimed to have had death threats as a result of the Giffords shooting. You claimed death threats on multiple continents. You claimed multiple state parties were recruiting you for higher office. You have now claimed that Murkie and the FBI are aware of my claims of first hand knowledge, a claim i never made. I used a generic term of corruption.

    I understand why you don’t want to go back and forth. Your track record sucks.

    JD (207300)

  285. BTW, did you locate the “disgusting” Herman Cain ad that accuses fellow Republicans of being Klansmen?

    Icy (27fad8)

  286. Also did you also locate the quote that said Palin wanted to start a race war Eric you dousche?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  287. This is only one item from the vast library of recorded radio shows and writings by Herman Cain. The media hasn’t had nearly enough time to dredge through the entire stash since he achieved frontrunner status. For the present they seem content to settle for the sexual harassment and campaign finance allegations which currently dominate the news. If Cain survives those with strong poll numbers, look for more nuggets like this to emerge over time.

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  288. Citation please JD

    Did you meet with the FBI yet?

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  289. Epwj will just continue to smear.

    JD (207300)

  290. But those who bother to read the Code, would easily see there was nothing unethical about the original Politico story that broke the news. Nor is there anything unethical about asking Cain to respond to the public statement released by one of the women who charged him harassment alleging that his version of events was false. But you don’t have to be a critic of Cain to know that there is something fishy about a campaign that refuses to address these questions and chooses instead to attack the press.

    -Tobin Comentary Magazine

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  291. I literally feel sorry for you, until I recall all of the smears and lies you have engaged in. I have not called the FBI, clown. I have no reason to. According to you, they have my info, do should they wish to, they know how to find me.

    JD (207300)

  292. , it certainly appears to undermine one of the major aspects of his 9-9-9 plan. (Not coincidentally, the same one which his primary opponents, including both Perry and Romney have criticized at great length during the early debates.) In fact, the argument he makes in this editorial regarding the government eventually raising the tax is precisely the point his critics are making today. And this isn’t some dusty, musty piece from ancient history. It’s from last year

    -Shaw Hot Air

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  293. I think if you are going to accuse someone of rape, you should have evidence. Crazy thinking, huh?

    JD (207300)

  294. JD

    You claimed you had evidence of a crime numerous times in a public format, a serious federal crime that you claimed to have first hand knowledge of, you have a standing appointment with them – you do need to take your entries and your information and you need to sit down with the formal interview and start the process

    I wish you luck

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  295. Lie

    JD (207300)

  296. “It wasnt my allegation but that of at least 2 who witnessed the incident”

    EPWJ – Do you have any links to support your contention that two witnesses saw Cain rape a woman or is this just another example of your fabulism?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  297. You could not source that claim, an overt lie, to save your life. You certainly would never be willing to apply your disingenuous standard to yourself, as you have no problem accusing others of felonies.

    JD (207300)

  298. EPWJ breeds BUNNIES!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  299. Isn’t Eric the same idiot that said endorsing Sludgeyfatass is a net positive for conservatism?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  300. Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee of the National Restaurant Association told associates she had been brought by Mr. Cain to his Crystal City, Virginia residence where she alleged “he had taken advantage of me.”

    -Redstate

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  301. JD

    Again, sincerely – I wish you luck with your interview with the FBI – they are waiting for your evidence.

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  302. Okay you guys have had enough fun tonight – enjoy your Sunday evening.

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  303. Since I claimed no evidence, the FBI will be waiting for a while. And why would i need luck? Typical of you, smear and then run away.

    JD (207300)

  304. “Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media”

    EPWJ – Sources, not witnesses. Do you understand the difference?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  305. Yes, Pajamas Media, had to retract that bit.

    narciso (0fc95f)

  306. EPWJ competes in Shark Jumping contest with self, finishes last.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  307. Palestine is willing to make piece?

    I swear the lefty anti-cain deranged refuse to hear Mahmoud Abbas or if they do they just don’t wanna admit Palestine are lead by a bunch of islamocommie liars.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  308. The media will attack these women in order to prostate themselves in front of Cain.

    STFU you mentally derange Perry worshipping bytches.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  309. Brave Sir Eric ran away?

    Icy (27fad8)

  310. Exactly how much fun will the next year be?
    Obama v Huntsman, that’s how fun. :)

    tifosa (4de3c6)

  311. So JD,

    All those times you claimed that Murkowski was corrupt you were saying you had no evidence?

    Interesting, I wonder what other “claims and statements” you have made here fall under the same?

    Care to enlighten us?

    BTW the FBI is still waiting

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  312. See why trolls take away from any blog?

    There’s nothing new about either of these people. Except one of them merits more medication than the other.

    It’s like wrestling with a pig. It wastes your time, gets you all muddy, and the pig likes it.

    Simon Jester (24340f)

  313. Simon, depends on the definition of Troll

    Look I made comments to the blogs topic – others made comments about me

    so, instead of trying to refute my incorrect arguments – they engage in personal lame attacks as usual

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  314. Look, pal. You are crazy bizarre, without being funny, and most people here have noted it and called you on it. Deal with your weird problems offline.

    Simon Jester (24340f)

  315. Oh, and the “personal attacks” business? Dude. It’s like you don’t recall your own history on this blog. Take a break and med up. I hear there is space next to nishi and DCSCA.

    Simon Jester (24340f)

  316. It’s as if ‘the narrative’ has nothing to do with the truth. at the time of the event. Clinton was attorney general, Lisa Myers did run the story in 1999, but with nowhere as much gusto;

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/06/kathleen-willey-infuriated-media-firestorm-over-cains-alleged-sexual

    narciso (0fc95f)

  317. Simon

    citation please – you have quite a storied record let me think – were you the one who said I was a terrorist? Were you the one who constantly says I’m not overseas when I am even once corrected by Pat?

    Simon – I respond to people who have attacked and smeared and lied about me numerous if not dozens of times.

    narcisco

    I think the public and the media have moved past the alleged part

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  318. oh my, won’t this afternoon be interesting… (hint: think Gloria Allred :)

    tifosa (4de3c6)

  319. I hope EPWJ’s daughter’s are learning more about truth and honor than their father at their chosen undergraduate institution.

    Something tells me they would not be proud of their father’s comments at this blog.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  320. You accused Herman Cain of rape!!!! Without any basis. Which tracks with your history.

    Simon has more kindness and integrity in his pinkie finger than you could ever dream of having.

    JD (207300)

  321. The Megalodon has met the Octoshark with the latest news,

    narciso (0fc95f)

  322. EPWJ bleated: so, instead of trying to refute my incorrect arguments – they engage in personal lame attacks as usual

    — Well then, here is your big chance to step up and be a man: in post #177 you wrote, “Cain just has a disgusting ad accusing Republicans of being essentially klansmen”. 
    I have repeatedly asked you to provide a link to this alleged “ad” but you have not done so. 
    In post #195 you quote some anonymous blogger (the one that tells you what to think, apparently) as saying, “By the way, who exactly is Cain charging with figuratively lynching him? Sure the spot goes after Al Sharpton and Cornell West but Cain is still insisting that the harassment story was leaked by a Perry staffer“. 
    Now it’s time to put on your thinking toque. Allegations about who leaked the story to begin with aside, WHERE is the ad, Eric? elissa was kind enough to clarify (in post #200) that you must be referring to the ad titled “High Tech Lynching” by a super-PAC that supports Herman Cain — which is NOT the same thing as the campaign itself; an ad that exclusively goes after liberal pundits and the mainstream media, and ends with the tagline “Don’t let the LEFT do it again” [emphasis theirs].
    So, to review, that ad, A) was neither made nor approved by Herman Cain, B) does not mention, refer to, or implicate ANY Republicans as being part of a high-tech lynching, C) nor does it accuse any Republicans of “being essentially klansmen[sic]”, and if you think that’s the same issue as letter B then you have even more learning to catch up on, and D) is not “disgusting” in any way. 
    Okay, so now that I have refuted your incorrect argument it’s your turn. Please either tell me what you found “disgusting” about the CONTENT of that ad; or, alternatively, point me in the direction of the actual ad to which you were referring . . . you know, the one that actually came from the Cain campaign . . . and actually accused Republicans of engaging in a lynching . . . and was actually disgusting.
    GO!

    Icy (bd2739)

  323. Icy – you know, quite well, that honesty is the first casualty in any discussion with epwj.

    JD (207300)

  324. Epwj – for the final time, I never claimed knowledge. That is a silly little metric you made up. I used the term as a descriptor, not as an assertion of knowledge. Your inability to understand, or unwillingness to do so, comes as no surprise.

    JD (207300)

  325. He can support Rick Perry all he wants, but if he continually feels the need to LIE in order to show his support . . .

    Icy (bd2739)

  326. Another women to come forward and say Herman Cain sexually harassed her.

    DohBiden (ef98f0)

  327. See, JD, the guy is just a loon. Yes, I doubted that he was overseas, because of all the BS he would post (number of Jews in Iran, getting his haircut at the Four Seasons, ad nauseum). He came across as DCSCA without spellcheck.

    But notice how he thens outright lies that I called him a terrorist. I never have called anyone here a terrorist.

    So that is yet another demonstrable lie by a substandard person. But I am not surprised.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  328. Icy – epwj is a liar and a coward. Inevitably, when called out on his nonsense, he scurries away. Usually, it is because his is packing for a trip to Jakarta months in advance 😉

    JD (318f81)

  329. Press conference is streaming live at politico.

    http://www.politico.com/livestream/

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  330. We don’t link politico 😉

    JD (318f81)

  331. Not even to mooch their precious bandwidth? Think of it as a DDos attack.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  332. The accuser said that Cain put his hand up her skirt, tried to force her head towards her crotch, and when she objected, said “you want a job, don’t you?” (She had been let go from the NRA a month earlier)

    Allred keeps referring to “harassment in the workplace,” but this woman no longer worked there. I’m not sure how that changes the dynamics of the alleged harassment.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  333. It’s the return of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OyT9wP3U-Q

    ColonelHaiku (ad6eba)

  334. Gloria Allred… she of the cloven hooves…

    ColonelHaiku (ad6eba)

  335. Facts should not get in the wAy of a good story, carlitos.

    JD (318f81)

  336. That conf warrants a new thread.

    tifosa (4de3c6)

  337. you doan know me and
    I doan know you the She-Beast
    Allred has spoken

    ColonelHaiku (ad6eba)

  338. I’m sure SuperGlo has an entire stable of clients with this sort of story because it sure sounds like a “Hollywood casting couch” to me – except, in Hollywood, very few (if any) complain about it since they want to find “fame and fortune” on the silver-screen or boob-tube.

    AD-RtR/OS! (fc5a11)

  339. Facts are evil.

    /Lefty

    DohBiden (ef98f0)

  340. Comment by tifosa — 11/7/2011 @ 11:20 am

    Weaving a new thread from a piece of lint.

    AD-RtR/OS! (fc5a11)

  341. From Wkipedia, until someone erased it 15 months ago:

    “Gloria Rachel Bloom was born with cloven hooves to a Jewish family in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on July 3, 1941.”

    ColonelHaiku (ad6eba)

  342. Titosa is as substantive as marshmallow fluff.

    JD (318f81)

  343. Hey, stop dissing marshmallow fluff.

    AD-RtR/OS! (fc5a11)

  344. she come around here
    G-L-O-R-I-aye-aye
    make me feel so sick

    ColonelHaiku (ad6eba)

  345. Prediction,

    Woman number 5 in 3

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  346. New accuser, new thread. Plus, the self-promotional idiocy of Gloria Allred! Ding!

    Karl (f07e38)

  347. Good to know epwj thinks accusing people of rape is appropriate, and approves of Allred’s tactics.

    JD (207300)

  348. epwj is like the neighborhood stray dog:
    He just wanders about taking a dump on everyone’s lawn.

    AD-RtR/OS! (fc5a11)

  349. the 999 plan was from Simcity-Leftys

    Obamas plan was from Marx-Righty

    Your a racist who hates Obama because he is black……….Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnargh.-Lefty

    DohBiden (ef98f0)

  350. OH MY GODZ HERMAN CAIN JOKED ABOUT HIS SECRET SERIVCE NAME BEING CORNBREAD!!!!OHNOEZ!!!

    DohBiden (ef98f0)

  351. Another day, another duck. I wonder if Jakarta is tired of him yet.

    Icy (bd2739)


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