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10/19/2011

Outright Racism In the Election

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 7:41 am



[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

I am sad to tell you that this primary has been tainted by race.  I actually read a commentator who said that the reason to prefer Rick Perry over Herman Cain was because Perry is white.  He wrote:

Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our whiteness and pride – and loyalty.  We have the chance to remove the first African-American president, and you want to replace him with another black man?  And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as white people, we should choose Perry because he’s a white man.

And who was this knuckle-dragging racist who wrote those words.  Well, you can follow the link, or read below the fold…

…and see that no one actually said it.

Yep, it’s a patented Aaron Worthing headfake.  No one wrote that about Rick Perry, but radio host and generalized racist Tom Joyner…

…said it about Obama.  Here’s the unaltered quote from him:

Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our blackness and pride – and loyalty.  We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.

He goes on to claim speciously that

There are a great number of people who are against him because he’s a black man. That should be enough motivation for us to band together and get it done.

Right, so forget whether Obama is the best choice to be president, the issue is sticking it to the racists and what is best for the country be damned.  (And he is greatly exaggerating the effect of white racism, too.)

Mr. Joyner, you may have marched with your fellow racist Al Sharpton to the Martin Luther King memorial, but you have spat on what the man stood for.  Hell, you even ignore the part when Dr. King said that black racism was not just wrong, but tactically suicidal, given demographic realities.

Via the Washington Post (via Insty), which has much more on the blatantly racist calls for Obama’s re-election.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

141 Responses to “Outright Racism In the Election”

  1. I’m against Obama because he’s a SCOAMF.

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  2. In Scripture it talks about people hating and killing the prophets among them, only to revere them later on. King was revered by many while alive, and given lip service after his death, with those who would claim to champion his interests doing the opposite of what he said if they think it will serve their short-term goals.

    People hear (and believe) what they want to, and disregard the rest…

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  3. Well that was his first mistake, marching with Sharpton, a man whose public career began by abetting a lie, moved on to inciting a riot.

    ian cormac (0fc95f)

  4. _________________________________________________

    And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.

    Joyner isn’t just racist, he’s damn disingenuous. He knows full well that if Obama were a conservative, or perhaps even a true centrist, that not only would he drop the idiotic racial-solidarity meme, he’d want to push Obama to the back of the proverbial bus.

    I’m sure there are a percentage of white rightists who through the eons have gone into the voting booth and pulled the lever or punched the chad for a white liberal instead of a non-white conservative. But perhaps most of those people at least don’t delude themselves into believing their political biases somehow imbue them with a high level of tolerance, humanity and social-cultural sophistication.

    Mark (411533)

  5. We knew this already about blacks. They are bigots

    The fact 90% went Obama instead of Hilary and have never been 90% for anyone in a Democratic Presidential Primary except for a black dude says it all.

    I have not problem with tribalism but it bothers me when the other tribes complains about it and turns themselves in victims.

    OBD (8d652e)

  6. Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for black people

    they’re far far far worse off than they ever could have dreamed they would be four years ago

    ai chichuahua

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  7. Is that dude black or sicilian?

    OBD (8d652e)

  8. OBD:

    Insert “Sicilian scene” from “True Romance” here. :)

    Mitch (073421)

  9. I think it was Spike Lee who told us that black people are incapable of being racist. By definition.

    JVW (4d72aa)

  10. [B]lack racism was not just wrong, but tactically suicidal, given demographic realities.

    Aaron always brings these big picture insights that sound so obvious once I read them, but I hadn’t realized.

    This is so true. It does blacks no good to see the world this way. The best thing for them is also the right thing for everybody, and that’s to not prefer one’s race, but rather to regard folks by their dang character.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  11. Obd

    I wouldn’t say all or most black ppl are racist, just that they are just as human and fallible as whites.

    Aaron Worthing (171dac)

  12. This quote is incredible, and yet all too common. It is virulent racism, pure and simple. As for me, I am against Obama not because of his race, but because of his incompetence, his loony left dogma, and his whiny and entited wife who keeps spending our tax dollars on her lavish global vacations. They are vile people, these Obamas, and we need to vote them out of the White House. Race doesn’t enter into it.

    Kevin Stafford (abdb87)

  13. Understand. The vision of a black community that no longer responds to these racial appeals, and actually demands that black “leaders” accomplish something, causes these people to wake up screaming at night. Safer streets, better schools, jobs? That’s a little more difficult than demands that we all “get down with the struggle”.

    Mike Giles (3f17d3)

  14. I wanna give you an offer you can’t refuse.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  15. This site shouldn’t talk about racism; it is not exactly snow white when it comes to these matters.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  16. Yeah, SHUT UP because you’re conservative! Thus racist even when talking about why racism is wrong!

    SSSSSSHHHHHHUSH! The liberals command you!

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  17. Once again, a liberal tries to stifle freedom of speech. BITE ME BILLY BOY!

    peedoffamerican (6277b7)

  18. You are right. Keep discussing racism. It actually paints your other opinions and viewpoints in the proper light when others see the outright racist comments that are made routinely on this site.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  19. I’m not going to get into an argument with a Klansman in black sheets. Esspecially one with a moderated forum (cough cough coward).

    Wait a minute. This is an attempt to dissuade normal people from voting for Herman Cain.

    Yup. That’s it exactly.

    Know how to piss off a racist? Vote for Herman Cane.

    papertiger (e55ba0)

  20. Any bets Billiam is imdw?

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  21. It actually paints your other opinions and viewpoints in the proper light when others see the outright racist comments that are made routinely on this site.

    Racist like this:

    Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our whiteness and pride – and loyalty. We have the chance to remove the first African-American president, and you want to replace him with another black man? And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as white people, we should choose Perry because he’s a white man.

    ?

    Or do you just mean racist like rejecting Obamacare because it’s damn stupid?

    Scum like you cheapen the civil rights movement by crying racist with no proper basis, and very often, they do it to attempt to shut down analysis of democrat racism.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  22. Here I am. Rockin’ like a Herman Cain!

    (spelled his name wrong in the first go – sorry)

    papertiger (e55ba0)

  23. “Scum” like me vote for the party of the official rights movement, not the party that Strom Thurmond joined because it opposed the movement.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  24. Isn’t it ironic that someone who basically called Hermain Cain a self-loathing monkey is complaining about patterico’s racism?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  25. When it comes to racism, billiam is an expert, at being an unmitigated Bigot!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (323d2a)

  26. Scum like me think Herman Cain should be hung for being a black man who thinks for himself.

    FIFY Billiam.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  27. “Scum” like me vote for the party of the official rights movement, not the party that Strom Thurmond joined because it opposed the movement.

    Comment by Billiam — 10/19/2011 @ 9:57 am

    LOL

    Civil rights.

    Like… ummmmm freedom of speech? You kinda screwed that up. What about gun rights? What about freedom of association, Goldwater style? Privacy over medical decisions? Not of you like Obamacare.

    Face it. You’re a hack, William. All you’ve got, in the face if real racism, is wild flailing.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  28. “Scum” like me vote for the party of the official rights movement

    Scum like you? In order to get scum you would first have to have more than a passing familiarity with soap.

    papertiger (e55ba0)

  29. So let me guess this straight Billiam is for the civils right movement but professes his allegiance to a Party who agrees with the nazi backed OWS?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  30. 24.Isn’t it ironic that someone who basically called Hermain Cain a self-loathing monkey is complaining about patterico’s racism?

    Let me know where I “basically” did that.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  31. He dropped the soap long ago, papertiger.

    Anyway, who is the father of the democrat party? Andrew Jackson, one of the most evil creatures to inhabit the highest office. Perhaps the loudest champion of slavery Western civilization shall ever know. Not a fan of the natives, either.

    Who is the father of the entitlement iteration of the democrat party? I’d say LBJ. Ya know, with a Pro-Lynching record? Or maybe FDR, the king of interning Americans for their race?

    But oh, those evil Republicans keep saying we should regard a man for the content of his character. So racist are they!

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  32. Piss off a racist – Vote for Herman Cain!

    Bumper sticker.

    papertiger (e55ba0)

  33. Comment by papertiger — 10/19/2011 @ 10:18 am

    Works for me!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (323d2a)

  34. As the great man taught us, skin color will not shield racist bigots like Tom Joyner, Barack Obama, Reverend Wright, Lewis Farrakhan, Eric Holder, and Billiam from being judged by the content of their character as revealed in their own words and deeds.

    ropelight (9cf01f)

  35. Why get upset? He’s only stating in the open what most people (left and right) already think. The only point I would make is that anyone who calls into his show keep his quote handy when he starts in on the racism being wielded against Obama. He’ll rant and rave but the point will be made (unless there is the 7 sec delay in which case you may find yourself cut off.

    scr_north (4875ee)

  36. not the party that Strom Thurmond joined because it opposed the movement

    Since a greater percentage of Republican Congressmen voted for the Civil Rights Act than Democrat Congressmen, your point is a bit non-sensical.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  37. “billiam” is a clown. Point and laugh.

    JD (da2e2e)

  38. Billiam, discuss:

    History shows that the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party.

    BfC (2ebea6)

  39. BfC: “was”

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  40. Billiam, discuss:

    Let’s not even deal with the facts right now. Let’s deal with just our blackness and pride – and loyalty. We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that’s what we ought to be doing. And I’m not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he’s a black man.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  41. What about gun rights?

    We just recently had a democratic president, house, and senate. Guns are still available for purchase.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  42. Not if you asses have your way.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  43. Dude you called republicans a racist.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  44. 42.Not if you asses have your way.

    See comment 41. Try to keep up, mmkay?

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  45. Billiam, we recently caught that Democratic administration faking gun smuggling to support new gun control laws and illegally adopting new FFL regulations. Pay attention yourself.

    SPQR (b3c8ab)

  46. Dude Billiam is busy calling out Brainwashed self-loathers you meanie.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  47. Today, the Brownshirts wear purple shirts.

    SPQR (b3c8ab)

  48. Link?

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  49. Billiam,

    I don’t think you know the race of most of the people who post here. I don’t think you know which of these commenters are part of mixed race families, or that you know who has adopted and loves a child of another race. I don’t think you know either the identity or the race of the closest friend of any commenter on Patterico. Your vile racist utterings and accusations are offensive on their face. But it is your unsubstantiated assumptions that make them even more offensive. Please stop.

    elissa (d553cd)

  50. One of your fellow commentators called all black people bigots earlier in this thread. You may want to address that comment. Or are you less concerned with this type of remark from a person on the same side of the aisle, Elissa?

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  51. Two wrongs don’t make a right, Billiam.

    Elissa has given you a chance to be a decent human being.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  52. Why don’t you take that chance as well, Dustin? Stop the name calling.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  53. Ahhhhhhhhhhh yes the party who stereotypes all catholics as child rapists and the same group who stereotypes Jews as greedys is whining about bigotry against blacks.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  54. Heckuva job there Yelverton.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  55. They stereotyped the Catholic priests who actually were raping children as child rapists. I’m not sure what your point is. Are you suggesting we were not lenient enough on the convicted priests? And I’m not sure that either of these supposed stereotypes can be claimed exclusively by either party. Sounds like you are just placing every injustice you’ve ever heard of into a nice, neat box with a “liberal” label in your tiny head.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  56. Why don’t you take that chance as well, Dustin? Stop the name calling.

    Comment by Billiam — 10/19/2011 @ 12:20 pm

    You’re not worth my trouble.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  57. ‘“Scum” like me vote for the party of the official rights movement…’

    “Party of the official Jim Crow movement” is more like it.

    Dave Surls (148942)

  58. Yes because every catholic man and women rape children.

    Please do the world a favor and go take a long walk off a short pier.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  59. So you’re not willing to address the blanket statement made by OBD either? Hypocrite.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  60. Sock puppeteers like “billiam” are so pathetic.

    JD (da2e2e)

  61. Reread my statement, Doh.

    Doh!

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  62. Imagine if someone called for muslims to be arrested for raping children?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  63. Doh- Feel free to provide a evidentiary link in which a democrat said all Catholics should be arrested for raping children (Hint: it must be a democrat of some significance)

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  64. Anyone care to take odds on how many names it has commented under, and how many times it has been banned?

    JD (da2e2e)

  65. 59.So you’re not willing to address the blanket statement made by OBD either? Hypocrite

    That’s already been addressed by Aaron, in comment #11. Or did you not read that?

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  66. Elissa didn’t feel the need to address that comment.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  67. 66.Elissa didn’t feel the need to address that comment.

    Because it had already been addressed, you dolt. Aaron said all that needed to be said about it.

    Now, discuss why a greater percentage of Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act than Democrats.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  68. #11, Call it racism, call it bigotry, call it tribalism — I have nary a whits concern about it nor do I consider it serious. I firmly believe all people have the right to hate for whatever reason they wish to hate. I do not believe in criminalizing feelings.

    OBD (8d652e)

  69. That is because of racism or something.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  70. #11, only that blacks IMHO are more tribalists than whites are nowadays.

    OBD (8d652e)

  71. Yesterday, when Patterico was discussing Kimberlin with his #1 fans Neal and Ron, I realized we would be dealing with imdw soon.

    And lo and behold a new troll has emerged to be the bigot the left is always looking for. And here’s a lefty to explain we are all obligated to continually pay attention to it despite it being instantly knocked down.

    This is stupid. But that’s what I expected.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  72. 😯

    Is it wrong for me to say this idiot should be transformed into a tree?

    😯

    DohBiden (d54602)

  73. They aren’t worth getting upset about, Doh. These folks are unworthy. Their stupid games on twitter and comment sections are meant to distract them from the real problems in the world.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  74. I was not upset just shocked that cow vagina was brazen enough to make himself look stupid.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  75. “Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”

    Matthew, of course.

    mojo (8096f2)

  76. JD and Dustin–Wow! Two trollish newbies, Bilious and OBS, show up on the same thread. What an incredible coinky-dink.

    elissa (d553cd)

  77. Billiam really needs to change his handle to Bilious.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  78. Oops, Elissa beat me to it.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  79. OBS isn’t a troll, he appears to be a card-carrying republican. Enjoy.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  80. 79.OBS isn’t a troll, he appears to be a card-carrying republican. Enjoy

    Never seen him here before. Maybe he is what you say, and maybe he’s working with you, trying to create an issue.

    So, why did a greater percentage of Republicans support the Civil Rights Act than Democrats? And why did Democrats like Al Gore, Sr., try to filibuster the bill?

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  81. Why would you ask me those questions? They sound rhetorical. Let me try.

    Why does Kanye West think that George Bush doesn’t like black people? He may be incorrect, but something made him say it. Explain.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  82. Remember how Spartacus would ask trollish question after trollish question, and ignore any good faith replies, just trollin’ away?

    Just ignore him.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  83. Good faith replies? What a joke.

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  84. Just ignore him.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  85. Ignore who?

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  86. :)

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  87. Billiam

    > This site shouldn’t talk about racism; it is not exactly snow white when it comes to these matters.

    Funny choice of words, there. Snow white.

    Anyway, given you insinuate when failing to prove anything, I will take that as seriously as it deserves to be.

    > It actually paints your other opinions and viewpoints in the proper light when others see the outright racist comments that are made routinely on this site.

    Um, you have a problem with Patrick’s taking a mainly free speech approach to the comments?

    > Scum” like me vote for the party of the official rights movement

    Yeah, republicans are only responsible for the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, the civil rights act of 1964, and the voting rights act of 1965. But don’t let facts get in the way of invective.

    > We just recently had a democratic president, house, and senate. Guns are still available for purchase.

    Most likely only because of a (relatively) conservative Supreme Court.

    > Elissa didn’t feel the need to address that comment.

    I have not read where anyone has to address every stupid thing said on the internet.

    > OBS isn’t a troll,

    How on earth would you know that?

    > Why would you ask me those questions?

    To expose your shocking lack of knowledge of history, if I had to guess.

    > Why does Kanye West think that George Bush doesn’t like black people? He may be incorrect, but something made him say it. Explain.

    Easy, he is a famous moron.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  88. “Famous Moron” is totes going to be the name of my Kanye West cover band.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  89. Re-write history much, Mr. Worthing?

    Billiam (ae6b6f)

  90. He thinks paranoid people are out to get him.

    Amphipolis (e01538)

  91. Billiam

    No, I just smacked you down for your attempted rewrite of history. Amateur.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  92. amp

    To quote a great man (Cobain) “just because you’re paranoid, don’t mean they’re not after you.”

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)


  93. I wouldn’t say all or most black ppl are racist, just that they are just as human and fallible as whites.

    Aaron, you’re wrong. The vast majority of blacks ARE racist, not the least reason being that they’ve been TOLD by their liberal massuhs — Spike Lee being a prime example — that it’s not possible for them to be racist.

    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (c9dcd8)

  94. Troll? How is that? You buffoons need to learn to read better b/c if that is what I am then what does it make you?.

    Blacks are more racist/bigoted/tribalist than whites. Just a fact of today’s livin’ in the USA.

    ODB (8d652e)

  95. #94 … and I find nothing wrong about it. It is called freedom of thought and expression.

    ODB (8d652e)


  96. Yeah, republicans are only responsible for the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, the civil rights act of 1964, and the voting rights act of 1965. But don’t let facts get in the way of invective.


    Indeed, I would argue that the absolute biggest con job of the 20th century — even bigger than the Soc.Sec. Ponzi scheme — is the hoary lie that is that the GOP is the party with a history of racism in the USA.

    Anyone with an even VAGUELY open mind on it knows better, if they’ve looked.

    Civil Rights, The Left & The Legacy Of MLK

    The Democratic Party’s Legacy of Racism

    An Overdrawn Race Card

    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (c9dcd8)

  97. If you support the Iraq war according to Kanye Cokehead y’all hate black people.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  98. Kanye is sort of an exotic name does anyone know where it comes from?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  99. hy would you ask me those questions? They sound rhetorical.

    They are not rhetorical, you ninny. You said:

    Scum” like me vote for the party of the official rights movement, not the party that Strom Thurmond joined because it opposed the movement.

    But, since the Republican party supported it more than the Democrat party did, and Democrats tried to filibuster the bill, you either don’t know much about recent American history, or you are a liar.

    Now, please answer my question: if the Republican party opposed the movement, why did Republicans vote for the act in a greater percentage than Democrats, and why did Republicans not attempt to filibuster it?

    Chuck Bartowski (e84e27)

  100. Why does Kanye West think that George Bush doesn’t like black people?

    Kanye West incorrectly blamed George Bush for the debacle in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. I’ve got lots of relatives in New Orleans, and they all know that the vast majority of the blame lay with the mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana. In fact, the federal government’s response to Katrina was faster than its response to any previous major hurricane.

    Chuck Bartowski (e84e27)

  101. .


    the federal government’s response to Katrina was faster than its response to any previous major hurricane.

    Chuck, how dare you not agree with Kanye, you racist bastard!

    You’re just disagreeing with him because he’s black.

    :oP

    .

    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (c9dcd8)

  102. Study says most women are bisexual

    Am I in the wrong thread?

    No. I just thought we could pick on the other grievance mongering minority group seeking extra constitutional “rights” based on their ineptitude,.

    For a change.

    papertiger (e55ba0)

  103. In fact, the federal government’s response to Katrina was faster than its response to any previous major hurricane.

    Err, that’s not actually saying much, I’m afraid.
    But I should point out that the Louisiana leftists, when they talk about the Federal Government being responsible for Katrina, etc., aren’t talking about (or at least aren’t only talking about) the post storm response–they’re also including the Army Corps of Engineers fiddling with the canal and levees, and similar stuff, in the years before Katrina. I’m not at all familiar with the details, so I’m not claiming they’re right–just noting they’re talking about more than the speed of response or lack thereof.

    JBS (1b86f1)

  104. Now, on to the main point of the thread–
    1)your average black in this country is raised on a diet of (mis)information which constantly reinforces two ideas 1)that the White Man is constantly trying to do the Black Man dirty and Point 2)that ultraliberal policies are the correct policies to follow.
    2) leads to the inference that any opposition to ultraliberal policies (IOW, opposition to Obama) is wrong, and based either on errors in thinking or intentional hostility.
    Point 1 leads to the inference that the correct alternative in that last sentence is “intentional hostility”. It also leads to the inference that any attempt to return to a previous status quo (even if only to the status quo of Bush Sr. or Bush Jr.–or Clinton for that matter) is an attempt to strengthen an inherently racist system.

    IOW, for many blacks, believing that Obama’s policies are the right ones to follow, the only explanation for any opposition, is to believe that opposition is motivated by racism.

    And there is, face it, a very honest sort of tribalism that most people share–they’re proud of Obama because he’s the President and he’s one of them, and are more prone to defend him. Which is the sort of behavior that is found in most social groups of whatever ethnic/religious/cultural/social type.

    JBS (1b86f1)

  105. and New Orleans is below sea level anyway- probably a bad place to start a city

    Jones (9b7a39)

  106. Kanye is swahilli for I’m so coked up I’m losing it.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  107. thank you

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  108. Um……….your welcome.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  109. Um……….your welcome.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  110. I hoped the trolls would
    be occupying Wall Street
    and leave us alone

    elissa (d553cd)

  111. _______________________________________________

    Why does Kanye West think that George Bush doesn’t like black people? He may be incorrect, but something made him say it. Explain.

    West probably is projecting his own racist biases unto others. Delve into the minds of such people (ie, liberals) and you’ll discover the following:

    Dailycaller.com, March 2011:

    Looking back over eighteen General Social Surveys since 1975, in every one those who wanted smaller government had significantly more education than the rest of the public, measured both by mean years of education and by mean highest final educational degree.

    Typically, the well educated are less racist than the general public. Thus, the revelation that those who hold the quintessential Tea Party view (believing that the government in Washington is doing too much) are better educated on average than the general public should raise problems for the idea that they are racist as well. Indeed, the data show that small-government advocates are less racist on average than the general public.

    Social scientists usually measure traditional racism against African Americans by looking at the survey responses of white Americans only. Among whites in the latest General Social Survey (2008), only 4.5% of small-government advocates express the view that “most Blacks/African-Americans have less in-born ability to learn,” compared to 12.3% of those who favor bigger government or take a middle position expressing this racist view.

    But advocates of smaller government can be found among Democrats and Independents as well as Republicans. What happens if we compare Republicans who think Washington is doing too much with those who think that government should do more or take a middle position? The relationships I’ve just described only get stronger.

    [A]mong whites, Republican advocates of smaller government are even less racist (1.3% believing that blacks have less in-born ability) than the rest of the general public (11.3% expressing racist views). Thus, in 2008 Republicans who believe that the government in Washington does too much have 10 times higher odds of not expressing racist views on the in-born ability question than the rest of the population (79-to-1 odds v. 7.9-to-1 odds).

    What about conservative Republicans more generally, not just the ones who want a smaller government? Surely they must be more racist. Actually not. In 2008, only 5.4% of white conservative Republicans expressed racist views on the in-born ability question, compared to 10.3% of the rest of the white population.

    [T]his same pattern holds for white Democrats compared to white Republicans: in 2008 12.3% of white Democrats in the U.S. believed that African Americans were born with less ability, compared to only 6.6% of white Republicans.

    And 2008 wasn’t an aberration. In sixteen surveys from 1977 through 2008, overall white Republicans were significantly less racist on the in-born ability question than white Democrats (13.3% to 17.3%), and white conservative Republicans were significantly less racist than other white Americans (11.7% to 14.7%)

    Another traditional racism question — on segregated neighborhoods — was asked on fifteen General Social Surveys from 1972 through 1996. Though the percentage of white Democrats and white Republicans who slightly or strongly agreed that “White people have a right to keep Blacks out of their neighborhoods” did not differ significantly in any one survey, overall white Democrats were significantly more likely to support segregated neighborhoods than white Republicans (30.4% to 26.3%).

    Mark (411533)

  112. ________________________________________________

    they’re proud of Obama because he’s the President and he’s one of them

    He’s “one of them” mainly because he’s a leftwinger. If Obama were a conservative — or even a staunch moderate — I bet a high percentage of the black community would lose a lot of its enthusiasm for the guy.

    If leftism were a race, that really would be the “racial” category many people into identity politics throughout this society, including the notorious self-appointed activists in the African-American populace, would most closely cling to or identify with.

    Mark (411533)

  113. Mackubin T Owens’ careful documentation of the Democrat Party’s legacy of racism was already linked.

    Then of course, there’s the US’ history of Civil Rights and who actually supported civil rights for minorities. Including women. (Hint: It weren’t the Democrats)

    And of course we can’t forget the revisionist Democrat fiction regarding the Dixiecrats.

    And let’s not forget the anti-Semitic nature of a great many of today’s Professional Left.

    Face it, if it weren’t for bald-faced lies and propaganda, the Liberals wouldn’t have any race-baiting ammunition against Conservatives. But since that’s all they got (and the hope they can keep the masses sufficiently comatose), that’s what they’re bringin to the party all night, all night.

    John Hitchcock (ba2f15)


  114. minority group

    The critical thinking skills of all involved come into sharp focus when you realize this “minority group” represents more than 50% of the population.

    IgotBupkis, President, United Anarchist Society (c9dcd8)

  115. Comment by Mark — 10/19/2011 @ 7:45 pm

    I think that some of those statistics can be explained by one simple fact–a lot of ‘ethnic whites’ in the Midwest and Northeast are, or were, bigoted against blacks.

    By “ethnic whites” I mean European immigrants and their descendants who tended to settle in urban communities together, like the Poles and the Irish, and who tended to be Democrats in their political affiliation.

    The most dramatic instance of this is probably the opposition to the integration of the Boston Public School system, the core of which was the Irish community of South Boston.

    JBS (1b86f1)

  116. Ironically leftys have a problem with crony capitialism………….mainly the capitialism.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  117. If you eat pure Capsacin you will be incinerated to death.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  118. Fact: The majority of blacks have the lowest I.Q. on the planet.

    Politics? Go practice in Africa first.

    BohdanUke1 (f35030)

  119. Fact: BohdanUke1 is either a racist or a Moby.
    Politics? Go back to Stormfront or DKos.

    John Hitchcock (ba2f15)

  120. I agree with John.

    It’s a shame, but if you show a liberal being a racist, you will get a few brand spanking new commenters apparently pretending to be racists.

    Kilgore Trout’s favorite trick. If you can’t find the hate, just say it yourself and then cite it as proof of the hate.

    And it’s highly effective. A lot of folks are taking on the nasty mobies instead of focusing on just how racist many Obama supporters really are.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  121. 120 comments and counting. Wow! Racism sells!

    The Emperor (1972f2)

  122. Racist troll.

    Btw why did the rebels kill a jew-hating dictator?

    So sorry for the O/T.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  123. Eric, that seems fake to me. I’m no expert, but even the twitter account of his seems pretty obviously fake.

    But who knows. Either this idiot is real, or the idiot faking the idiot is real. Either way, idiot.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  124. O/T-the OWS protesters don’t want us to transform into England because there is not enough socialism.

    Sounds reasonable Dustin.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  125. no Dustin I meant your comment sounded reasonable.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  126. I got it. I’ve acquired fluency in Bidenese.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  127. O/T-NYC threatens to shut down orthodoz jewish bus line over gender segragation

    This is right.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  128. y’all gonna make me
    go hood up in here y’all best
    quit, word to yo mama

    ColonelHaiku (264d7a)

  129. Sorry Dustin.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  130. y’all gonna make me
    lose count and that never work
    for proper haiku

    ColonelHaiku (264d7a)

  131. Colonel excused for
    doing a haiku miscount
    occasionally

    elissa (c3fa45)

  132. Dustin

    There are about 200 references besides twitter on the guy as a concert musician

    that acct looks like one someone sets up and then doesnt bother with

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  133. Sorry Dustin.

    Comment by DohBiden —

    I meant you have nothing to apologize for. I understand your comments pretty well at this point.

    Can you imagine how ridiculous the race hustle is going to get in 2012? What happens on the night Obama loses the election? I predict there will be violence. Make sure you have a good insurance policy if you live in Boston or St Louis!

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  134. There are about 200 references besides twitter on the guy as a concert musician

    I’m a little paranoid about folks online at this point, to be honest. Though some of those other accounts seem to have very little detail. The musician doesn’t seem to have a photo of himself, and his comments on twitter do appear (to paranoid me) to be computer generated.

    Anyway, I just assume noob racists on conservative threads are fake unless they have something to say on various other issues.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  135. Well, Stari Momak seems to self identify as a conservative…. (Suprised Our Man from Stormfront hasn’t shown up yet on this thread)

    The true bigots seem to refer to themselves nowadays as “racial realists”, btw–that may help identify the real ones from the Mobys.

    And there are some real members of the Hard Right who can not by any means be called Nazis, but certainly dance along the borderline of racism as far as they can get away with. The one I know of best is the blogger who called himself TJIC, who shut down his blog because the local police were harrassing him about guns and similar issues–that is, harrassing him over thing about which he was definitely correct about, and had nothing to do with his bigotry.

    [note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]

    JBS (38f6c3)

  136. dustin

    well people dont go to that length to just make a boob comment – in my dealing with Europe (which this guy is) this is a common conception as they are very hostile to blacks as they are selling on the streets and sidewalks of every city – it was very weird to see Jamaicans selling hats in Austria during Christmas outside traditional Vienna shops

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  137. Interesting insight, Eric.

    In my travels, which are probably much more limited than yours, race is much more of an issue outside the USA.

    We should really appreciate what America has accomplished. It’s just one of many reasons to resent the hard left using racism and race baiting, which I believe undermines and even erases the success of MLK and many like him.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  138. One point:

    Neal boasts of his program that creates a large number of twitter accounts and then fills them with comments mimicking the comments all over twitter from legit accounts. He then tweaks them enough to seem somewhat realistic.

    This is the crude nonsense he pats himself on the back for as ‘hacking’ and ‘political activism’.

    So it really isn’t so much trouble to go through.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  139. It’s funny how liberal this “conservative” site is. This is par for the course these days as so-called conservatives bend over backward to show they agree with most liberal nostrums.

    DN (b2f1fb)

  140. It’s funny how many new commenters this thread has attracted. All of them acting like it’s normal to be a racist on a conservative blog, which shows they probably are liberals with delusions about conservatives.

    Dustin (b2fb78)


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