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9/19/2011

That’s a Nice Marriage You Have There, Sarah Palin… It’d Be a Pity if Anything Happened to It…

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 7:50 am



[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

That’s one of several creepy subtexts in this bit by Erik Wemple of the Washington Post, an exercise of rationalizing of what almost amounts to journalistic terrorism that deserves to be fisked in detail:

Glen Rice and Sarah Palin: I don’t want to know

The Business Insider loves to push journalistic frontiers. So I grimaced this morning when the publication picked up the now-on-fire story about Sarah Palin’s alleged premarital tryst with basketball star Glen Rice. The fling is said to have occurred in 1987, when Rice was a sharpshooting hoopster for the University of Michigan and Palin was a TV sports reporter.

I even sent Business Insider CEO Henry Blodget an e-mail asking him how he could possibly explain such an atrocity as publishing this rumor, as reported in the National Enquirer and sourced from the soon-to-be- published book on Palin by Joe McGinniss. Why pry into Palin’s premarital private life?

Then I remembered: Oh yeah, the whole abstinence-before-marriage thing.

In other words, he wrote an email to Blodget and Blodget decided he was not important enough to respond to, so he instead made up a defense of his own.

Via a three-year-old CNN story:

In a 2006 Eagle Forum questionnaire, Palin indicated that she supported funding abstinence-until-marriage education programs instead of teaching sex-education programs.

“Explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support,” Palin wrote in the conservative group’s questionnaire.

Yeah, I remember that bit the first time I heard it when it was offered as the fig leaf justifying the attacks on Britol Palin for the horrible crime of being a teenager who had sex with her teenage boyfriend.  You know, because that never happens.  First they assumed she was using no birth control because she got pregnant—you know, because birth control (short of surgery) is always 100% effective.  /sarcasm  And they asserted that this was surely then the result of Sarah Palin’s advocacy of abstinence only education and when I asked for proof she even advocated for it, they pointed at this survey.

But all the CNN article he links to says is that she won’t support “explicit sex-ed programs” which really isn’t the same as saying no sex education, now is it?  In fact the first time someone showed that to me, I said, “geez, all that seems to be saying is she doesn’t want kids to practice putting condoms on bananas.”  Which is actually almost exactly what she said about it in her book, Going Rogue:

(Pages 237-8.  You can verify for yourself without buying the book by searching inside it, here–and indeed that is why the word “condom” is highlighted.)

So she’s not even truly a hypocrite on the matter.  And Wemple lacks the intellectual curiosity to notice.  Why?  Because she has to be a hypocrite, because for all his feigned reluctance, he positively loves to publish this story.

Those two sentences open all kinds of ethical doors for reporters. Where even a national politician’s premarital sex habits of nearly a quarter-century ago are normally off-limits to media outlets, they move into the realm of fair game once that politician starts pushing abstinence education.

Hypocrisy is a quality that must be exposed in our political leaders: If Palin backs abstinence-only education and shuns talk of contraception and the like, then we are entitled to know whether her own lifestyle aligned with her rhetoric. And so we’re learning about Palin’s alleged Reagan-era sex life.

Yet I don’t want to know about Palin’s premarital sex life

Oh, poor me!  I have to learn all about the salacious, dirty details about Sarah Palin’s (alleged) sex life.

I don’t care if it involved a black basketball player or a white tetherball player.

And more of him protesting too much.  There was no need to mention that the alleged paramour was black let alone to highlight it this way.  His color is irrelevant.  But he feels the need to emphasize it because…  um, wait, why?  I mean it’s not like Sarah Palin is opposed to interracial sex.  I mean, given that her husband is part Inuit, she is arguably in an interracial relationship right now.  He is certainly non-white enough to pass the old infamous “one drop” rules that used to apply before Loving v. Virginia.  So why is Wemple bringing out the color of this alleged lover?

There are only two answers that make sense.  Either 1) because he thinks it will bother her supporters or 2) because it bothers him, despite his protests to the contrary.  So either he is a racist, or he is engaged in the cheap race baiting that liberals accuse conservatives of doing all the time.  For instance, you might recall the outcry over the add where a blond bimbo suggests she might want to have sex with Harold Ford.  Now, I will give you that the ad in question was tacky, but calling it racist was just silly.  But apparently the rule with liberals is that it is racist to suggest any possibility of attraction across racial lines.  It’s interesting how quickly the left assumes the role of enforcing sexual morality and even rules against racial “mixing” when it suits them.

Wemple goes on:

I don’t want to hear about whom other abstinence-only advocates may have chosen for partners, either.

All of which means that people should stop lobbying for abstinence -only education. It’s a bad idea on many levels. One of those levels is the media: It gives reporters every reason to investigate the most intimate moments of abstinence-only advocates.

And besides the whining nature of that (“It’s so horrible that you abstinence-only advocates force me to learn every lurid detail about your sex life!  And to make me demand to see video tape!  Or just a video showing porn stars simulating what others accused you of doing!”), besides that simpering element and hidden prurient desire is a hidden threat.  Do not advocate assistance-only sex ed—indeed, apparently you must support “bananas on condoms” style sex ed or something—or else every poorly sourced tawdry detail about your personal life will be put on display before the whole world.

And of course it would be your fault if I was forced to do that.  So in a real way you are asking for it.

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Via Insty who links to more refuting the claim that Palin was ever in favor of abstinence only education, and writes:

Regardless of the actual Sarah Palin’s opinions, the Sarah Palin in their minds is staunchly anti-sex, making anything that the real Sarah Palin does fodder for hypocrisy accusations for not matching up with what the imaginary Sarah Palin thinks. Yes, this is really how modern “journalism” works.

And indeed you might even say that Wemple is demonstrating prejudice towards her.  Imagine that.

Also, here’s a request for this thread.  Please don’t launch into a diatribe about how awful she would be as President.  That has no relevance to whether allegations this poorly sourced should be given the time of day.  The question is about Wemple’s ethics and fact-checking, not Sarah Palin’s fitness for the presidency.

Besides, I don’t think she is running anyway.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

449 Responses to “That’s a Nice Marriage You Have There, Sarah Palin… It’d Be a Pity if Anything Happened to It…”

  1. Palin isn’t the only one to make the media look bad. Or, I suppose,to make the media make themselves look bad. But she’s the best at it. Gosh, it’s fun.
    You’ll recall the media, which couldn’t keep an eye on John Edwards’ wandering whatsit, and the associated campaign fund shenanigans, being scooped by the Enquirer, while the NYT did have time to fake up a completely bogus story about McCain having an affair with a lobbyist.
    Great bunch of folks. I wouldn’t let one of them babysit my pet rock. I bet their handshakes are kind of sweaty and limp. Eeesh.

    Richard Aubrey (cafc94)

  2. The only way it would be hypocrisy is if Sarah Palin herself received abstinence-only sex education. Does Wemple have any evidence that Palin was promiscuous after having taken an abstinence-only program?

    What Wemple is arguing is analagous to a drug-addict who overcomes her addiction, cleans herself up, improves her life — and then supports a particular program designed to prevent kids from becoming drug addicts. According to Wemple’s line of reasoning, such a person would be a hypocrite because she herself was once an addict.

    aunursa (41236f)

  3. How about there is no story, in the first place. From all indications, she has been in love with
    her husband since high school. Ad to that the reputation of the bottom dwelling slug that ‘found’
    this tidbit:

    http://www.truth-out.org/trials-joe-mcginniss/1314731960

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  4. Actually, when the “journalist” wrote this…

    “..Hypocrisy is a quality that must be exposed in our political leaders…”

    …well, I had to laugh. Is this fellow looking for hypocrisy in the current administration?

    No, well, that’s different.

    This is all just partisanship. And these personal attacks underscore a quite clear subtext of nasty sexism in the way many people deal with the former Governor.

    Simon Jester (51da6e)

  5. I hate to say this, but abstinence makes sense and is practiced by a lot of teens who could use more support and encouragement.

    Hypocrisy, even in the extreme, does not make this false.

    I question the motives of those who doubt the wisdom of abstinence. Perhaps they are looking for cover for their past foolishness? Or maybe they still value immediate gratification over responsible relationships, indulgence over health.

    Amphipolis (b120ce)

  6. The literati are beginning to see they are well and truly hosed.

    Romney will never attract the base, and Perry cannot close the deal with them because he’s inadequate.

    Door wide open.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  7. The same people giving Perry a pass on his pro-amnesty stance are the same ones who complain about Palins pro-amnesty stance.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  8. Aaron, this post is a smart and well-done anatomy, but to (once again) cut the Gordian knot, all the exegesis in the world won’t change the minds of the left. The simple fact is, they HATE you. They HATE Sarah Palin. They HATE Rick Perry, the Tea Party, the national anthem, ordinary white Christian folks just going about their despicable cro-magnon non-diverse lives. Hate hate hate hate hate. It’s a primal, brain-stem thing with them, there’s nothing rational about it.

    Sarah Palin in their eyes is the Terrifying Shiksa From Hell, who has the goddamn nerve to be white and have babies and be successful… I mean, can’t you understand how HORRIFYING that is? We’re in H.P. Lovecraft territory when it comes to this stuff, it’s completely irrational and instinctive.

    You do a good service by trying to call them out, and maybe you’ll buck up morale on the right by anatomizing how malignant they are, but you won’t change any minds on the left, because they aren’t using their minds when it comes to these things, it’s all more like pheromones with these people.

    “He plays by sense of smell.”
    — Pete Townshend, “Pinball Wizard”

    d. in c. (17012e)

  9. this is pretty much the way all American tabloid celebrities get treated look at how they cover poor Lindsay Lohan it makes me so mad poor little monkey

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  10. Palin is no celebrity but her cultists frustrate me.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  11. That’s an interesting word to use, to defend her
    positions on the issues, when she has rarely taken
    a step wrong, to defend her honor and integrity,
    to advocate that she seek national office, that’s called cultism, To trade on every shopworn meme of the last three years, that’s called ‘speaking truth to power’

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  12. Part of the left’s problem with Sarah has always been that there really are few no sexy Liberal women in politics.

    elissa (eb1e16)

  13. So,Erik Wemple, the peeper once known as Loose Lips now spreads gossip and half-truths under his own name for the WaPo.

    WaPo editors better keep their windows closed and their shades drawn, Wemple has stabbed his boss in the back at every publication he’s worked for.

    How long will it be before the peripatetic Wemple joins his JournoList brethren at Media Matters?

    ropelight (646212)

  14. Let’s assume that Sarah Palin did actually support “abstinence only — and don’t you dare even mention birth control” sex education. And let’s assume that she was as promiscuous as a female dog in heat, randomly impaling herself on every male appendage she could find. Would that constitute hypocrisy? Or would it constitute experience that led her to reevaluate her life and support a policy that she believed to be more appropriate.

    We think is is great when recovering alcoholics and drug addicts preach abstinence, because we consider them to have the moral authority to speak on the issue. We run “Scared Straight” programs in which convicted felons try to turn young people away from a life of crime. What is wrong with someone who has a history of promiscuity saying that abstinence is the way?

    Rhymes With Right (7711dd)

  15. Why does he have to join Media Matters, this is in keeping with the Journolist strategy from Day One,
    from Klein, (both of them) Yglesias, Avent, et al.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  16. Taxes lower the deficit?

    Obama is a crackhead.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  17. So the catholics oppose abortion?

    So what.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  18. And ya Aaron, I’m one of those parents who supervise my minor children take them regularly to the doctor, have them educate them about how easy it is to get pregnant and have them work at womens shelters and thrift stores so they know its not easy to be a single mother – in fact its hell a part of our society that we dont talk about.

    I mean weeks before she married Todd a basketball player confirmed she wanted sex. If its true its disturbing for the family for sure but Mrs Palin can turn this into a strength by admitting it and confronting it. If they get divorced – its because this is one of many incidents (those moments that happen in a marriage) that caused Todd to call it quits.

    Palin was an adult 100% responsible for her actions, and she has used her clean wholesome persona for personal profit well beyond anyone but Al Gore.

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  19. Did you know Sarah is also responsible for her daughters actions too.

    Do the world a favor and drop dead.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  20. ‘Lord love a duck’ the whole thing was made up by a very creepy character up there, which will remain
    nameless, who fed it to McGuinness.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  21. EWP, that’s just stupid.

    sarahW (fd5a41)

  22. If Sarah Palin was a hypocrite for supporting “abstinence-only” education when she herself was not chaste until marriage…

    Then Obama is a hypocrite for enforcing drug prohibition, when he himself smoked marijuana and snorted cocaine.

    Rich Rostrom (28c1ad)

  23. Not only that George Soros supports marijuana legalization.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  24. When he goes all Billy Madison, he doesn’t hold back.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  25. SarahW

    No, whats stupid is we have someone who makes millions, MILLIONS, preaching something that perhaps she wasnt even a CLOSE advocate of Low Taxes, small government and family values.

    We have people now everywhere constantly excusing a consenting adult from having to live with the consequences of her actions. She was in a relationship or considering a relationship with Todd and may have even been engaged when this incident happened.

    the fact that a reporter had sex with the subject of her news story is also something people are glossing over.

    This is the same woman who has falsely accused people of corruption based upon nothing.

    Now Sarah – thats stupid.

    What’s going to happen when the next shoe drops?

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  26. Let’s take a step back: Here we have a story that was published in the National Enquirer based on a allegation in a book written by a fanatical Palin hater.

    By no standards of journalism (stop that laughing) is that a credible story to use against anyone. It’s so weak and unsubstantiated that no serious journalist should base any story on it. Not until he or she gets further details or substantiation.

    Moreover, we have the author – Joe McGinniss – stating the following about the alleged matter (this from an interview that he had with Lloyd Grove of The Daily Beast):

    “McGinniss speculates [!!] that they [Palin and Rice] did the deed in a college dorm room in Anchorage or possibly a hotel. But when he actually interviewed the former Miami Heat star, he didn’t directly ask him if they had sex. Instead, McGinniss asked: ‘So you never had the feeling she felt bad about having sex with a black guy?” Rice’s reply: “No, no, no, nothing like that.’

    Despite the ambiguity of that response, McGinniss insists, ‘I think it’s pretty clear … That’s certainly the impression I came away with.’

    Again, for Mr. Wemple or any other journalist to use that as evidence to bash Palin really tells us more about their ethics than it does about Palin’s.

    Why the Post ran that piece is another mystery.

    SteveMG (9e2d69)

  27. EPWJ,

    I am honestly surprised you attacked Palin on this particularly execrable claim.

    It’s beneath you, and really anyone who isn’t Perez Hilton.

    Let’s leave the private and often fabricated stuff out of adult conversations. This attack was completely immoral to present, and also irrational.

    In fact, Palin has done plenty to educate women about contraception or the hardship of being a single mother, so your justification is unfair, but that’s beside the point.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  28. Rich

    The fact is according to Glenn Rice who really doesnt want to talk about it is that she waned to have sex with him just weeks before she eloped to marry Todd and Todd is pissed.

    Is it the reporters fault that Palin had sex with someone that she wasnt in a relationship with?

    I mean this is the Clinton defense.

    If its true I’m still honestly thinking that there is more to the story – hopefully not as damaging to both Rice and to Gov Palin

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  29. This is the same woman who has falsely accused people of corruption based upon nothing.

    They went to prison because they were corrupt.

    You are incorrect, and it’s long been apparent you have an axe to grind particularly about the supposed innocence of a few actually corrupt folks. It’s sad to see you take this agenda all the way to the sleaziest lying.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  30. I should have guessed that EPWJ would be interested in this ludicrous “story”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  31. OMG obama wants to cut medicare and medicaid……………..but that is ok the taxes will raise on the wealthy.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  32. SPQR

    No I had no intention of commenting on it until my good friend Aaron decided that Palin shouldnt be responsible for her actions as an adult.

    Then hey – its open season

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  33. Why do leftys not pay taxes?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  34. The fact is according to Glenn Rice who really doesnt want to talk about it is that she waned to have sex with him just weeks before she eloped to marry Todd and Todd is pissed.

    Sorry, where does Glenn Rice say this?

    I must say, if we’re going to use your standard against every 20-something in this country we’re going to have about 3 people able – by your ethical standards – to serve in office.

    SteveMG (9e2d69)

  35. just to let you know EPWJ is the same idiot who said the Duke Lacrosse players raped the girl without giving one iota of proof.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  36. SPQR

    Then Palin should immediately file an injunction to stop the distribution of the book right?

    Or was it that she dropped her panties while wearing someone elses promise/engagement ring?

    If its wrong she should get tens of millions – the publisher should be OWNED BY HER

    And I strongly encourage her to sue and sue immediately

    If its not true

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  37. just to let you know EPWJ is the same idiot who said the Duke Lacrosse players raped the girl without giving one iota of proof.

    Comment by DohBiden — 9/19/2011 @ 9:08 am

    Is that true?

    Sad sad sad.

    Sarah Palin did a lot for the right. She’s not perfect, but a lot of her success is borne of fighting incredibly dishonorable corruption. Many find her mannerisms annoying, or think she’s not substantial enough as a candidate, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t one of the good guys. She is.

    And now she’s being smeared, and anyone who takes part says more about themselves than they do Ms Palin.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  38. Then Palin should immediately file an injunction to stop the distribution of the book right?File an injunction to stop the distribution of a book?

    I assume you mean a defamation suit?

    I must say you’re making grand prounouncements about the ethics of a person based on rumors and allegations made by a critic of that person.

    I’d suggest that if that happened to you that you’d be mighty peeved.

    Sure, she’s a public figure and this is a blog. But even that requires some level of fairness.

    Or maybe not.

    I’m no Palin fan but her critics are sometimes ridiculous.

    SteveMG (9e2d69)

  39. Or was it that she dropped her panties while wearing someone elses promise/engagement ring?

    Now he’s just making things up.

    Critics of Palin have created this mythical creature in their minds and they proceed to pummel it when it falls short of their standards.

    Standards that no real living being could match.

    SteveMG (9e2d69)

  40. Dohbiden

    Never said that – remember the Duke players for hiring strippers, setting up video feed, organizing an orgy, serving alcohol to minors, collecting large fees attempting to record and broadcast illegal sex acts faced expulsion from the NCAA (which they were) expulsion from Duke – which many were.

    I just agreed with Ann Coulter when you lie down with fleas you wake up with subpoenas

    Nifong got what he deserved – but since when did the hiring of strippers and having sex with underage drinkers become a legal act in North Carolina? I must have missed that part

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  41. Stevemg

    She’s pretty quick on the denials – crickets

    Todd’s pretty angry – and its usually how it starts the spouse says no way no way then there’s some kind of confirmation, then a looooong period of silence

    I hope they work it out

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  42. Why the Post ran that piece is another mystery.

    No mystery – the Palin Macaca moment hasn’t shown up yet, so what’s a cheap propaganda rag written by journ-o-lists to do to fulfill it’s duty to the Democratic Party? Publishing the truth about Obama certainly isn’t an option, after all.

    sherlock (99fe47)

  43. But having post saying a confirmed story is no one’s business isnt going to bury this in the realm of squimy but let’s let it go

    Personally I could care less, I do feel sorry for her and her family but mostly for the hard working people who forked over their over taxed cash they earned working for reals in her books, posters, quilts, speaking fees, quilts, throw pillows – hoping she was the next salvation that they were looking for and dearly hoping she was

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  44. She’s pretty quick on the denials – crickets

    I’ll repeat my question about what you said Rice stated:

    “The fact is according to Glenn Rice who really doesnt want to talk about it is that she waned to have sex with him just weeks before she eloped to marry Todd and Todd is pissed.”

    Where has Rice said this?

    SteveMG (9e2d69)

  45. Todd’s pretty angry – and its usually how it starts the spouse says no way no way then there’s some kind of confirmation, then a looooong period of silence

    Geezus, you’re in a fantasy land now.

    You’re just pulling stuff out of your rear.

    We get it. You hate Palin and don’t care whether she’s smeared or not.

    People hate Obama too and have the same view.

    Or Bush. Or Clinton. Et cetera. The tribalism of politics.

    But it’s really not healthy for you. Or them.

    Anyway, good day.

    SteveMG (9e2d69)

  46. And, yet another day dawns with Eric Johnson off his medication.

    Sad, very sad.

    Dave Surls (545d6e)

  47. “It’s just a case of the Mondays”

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  48. Maybe the four seasons Jakarta has a pharmacy or at least a therapist?

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  49. So If one of Sarah Palins kids comes out as gay and committs suicide will we be able to blame her.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  50. “paging Dr. Bombay, come right away”

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  51. even if she accepts them.

    Not saying it will happen its just a hypothetical.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  52. “paging Dr. Bombay, come right away”

    Comment by ian cormac — 9/19/2011 @ 10:12 am

    hahaha

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  53. Did you know they have a special at the Four Seasons Jakarta where you get a ‘massage’ complimentary with certain rooms?

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  54. “Yet I don’t want to know about Palin’s premarital sex life”

    I might listen, if the stories are wild enough.

    Dave Surls (545d6e)

  55. Anyone who says Go Obama is a back stabbing traitor who should be strung up like Mussolini.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  56. but since when did the hiring of strippers and having sex with underage drinkers become a legal act in North Carolina?

    There’s nothing illegal about hiring strippers.

    And “underage drinkers” does not mean they’re under the age of consent for sex.

    You’re really stretching things, Eric.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  57. EricPW: Are you Todd’s lawyer? Have you personally spoken with Todd regarding his feelings about this? You say he is very angry. If you didn’t speak with him, are you believing another journalist lie? You just cannot conceal your hatred for Sarah Palin. Perhaps still angry about the oil problems you are always brining up, in defense of your Muslim brothers. Oh, right. they do pay well, don’t they?

    This is my first and last comment to EricPW. He’s not worth my time.

    PatAZ (733ca9)

  58. brining = bringing

    PatAZ (733ca9)

  59. PatAZ has the right idea, I think. This one is just trying to upset folks. I can’t guess as to what his deeper motives are, if there even are any.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  60. EPWJ and Rick Perry both have unhealthy creepy obsessions with the sex lives of teenage girls. After fantasizing about Bristol Palin, EPWJ has now turned his Jergens covered hands to Sarah Palin.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  61. The allegations are really so over the top, that I laughed when I read the headlines, I was less amused with Wemple and to a lesser extent Ponnuru

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  62. If, and that’s a big if given the messenger, the story is true about Sarah Palin having premarital sex doesn’t mean a thing. One can have past behavior and change your mind. Heck, I voted for Carter then hopefully redeemed myself by voting for Reagan. I changed my mind. I now believe that voting for Carter was one of the worst things I can do for the nation. Does that make me a hypocrite for first voting for Carter and believing that Reagan was better president?

    I had premarital sex but now believe that abstinence is the best policy. Does that make me a hypocrite? I don’t think so, it just makes me smarter. At sometime we should all grow up.

    Tanny O'Haley (12193c)

  63. “Personally I could care less”

    EPWJ – A very considerable body of evidence on this blog demonstrates otherwise, in fact it suggests you are personally obsessed with Sarah Palin.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  64. one time me and Sarah Palin went to get some fro-yo and we sat down to eat it and all these NBA players came in and I was like this is tasty fro-yo what topping did you get and she was all like what? She was soooo distracted. And I said what topping did you get on your fro-yo what is that and she said I think it’s crumbled up graham crackers and I said oh I bet that’s tasty but Sarah wasn’t paying attention to me and she never confirmed if the graham cracker topping was tasty or not so some time I’m a just have to try it for myself.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  65. Any links from EPWJ which support his claims yet?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  66. EPWJ and Rick Perry both have unhealthy creepy obsessions with the sex lives of teenage girls. After fantasizing about Bristol Palin, EPWJ has now turned his Jergens covered hands to Sarah Palin.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 9/19/2011 @ 10:33 am

    I don’t see what’s creepy about anything Perry has ever done regarding cervical cancer, or what the vaccine has to do with the sex life of anyone, since it doesn’t prevent anyone from getting most STDs.

    I guess you’re just making fun of EPWJ’s style, since he claims to be a Perry supporter.

    On your other point, yes, it’s true that EPWJ is constantly spending all his time thinking about Sarah Palin. He thinks about her more than she thinks about herself. Sarah Palin is EPWJ’s life.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  67. Comment by Tanny O’Haley — 9/19/2011 @ 10:34 am

    Indeed. What adult doesn’t want their kids to avoid their mistakes?

    Though even getting to this point of analysis assumes too much good faith on the part of detractors, it does remind me of potheads who don’t forbid their kids from doing drugs because they worry about being inauthentic or hypocritical.

    Being an effective leader or parent requires one to get beyond their own ego. If someone can’t note abstinence is the best policy for kids, they are a moral failure. Palin’s view that sex ed should highlight abstinence but also educate on contraception is a mainstream view, and those who think it justifies sleaze are unbelievably narrow minded.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  68. What is the likelihood of the interracial affair being true – very unlikely. During my dating years – the late 70’s / early 1980’s it was extremely taboo to cross racial lines in dating, it did happen but it was rare. Ten years later, it was more common, though still remained very taboo and rare. It was not nearly as common as it is today. In the four instances that I came across interracial dating, there was a common characteristic, the white female was generally unattractive (not ugly, just not attractive). The black male was moving up the social ladder, via dating an otherwise unattractive female. How likley – Not – 1) Palin certainly does not fit the profile. 2) interracial dating was still taboo.

    Note – these were my observations – please do not read any racial bias/prejudices into these observations.

    Joe (bbbdbb)

  69. 69.”If, and that’s a big if given the messenger”

    Get real, McGinnis doesn’t even bother with ‘truthiness’. He didn’t even ask Rice whether “the rumor” was true, only whether he thought Palin a racist.

    Why would anyone give a liar the benefit of the doubt? What purpose could it possibly serve?

    Urkel lies to his daughters, his wife, the mirror, himself,…

    Evolved thinking is anything but, it’s just daft.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  70. Dusty – Creepy panty sniffer EPWJ and Rick Perry both want government officials to have lists of teenage girls who have received the official needle of approved sexual promiscuity. They believe they have a need to know. You tell me why.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  71. “I had premarital sex”

    Same here, but never more than three or four times a day (well, hardly ever).

    Thank God, I got married, and all that sex stuff came to an end.

    I might have hurt myself. Died from exhaustion or something.

    Dave Surls (545d6e)

  72. Dustin

    Agreed. i never got the argument that the girls were too young for the vaccine. Granted they are too young to consent in sex but… but it is bizarre to argue that the moral position is to say to a girl that young that if she should be raped or merely taken advantage of by a guy from “To Catch a Predator” or whatever, that not only will she have to live with the trauma of the rape (whether it is statutory rape or forcible rape), but as a bonus she has to be exposed to a disease that could kill her, too.

    i mean imagine if we had a vaccine against AIDS. Certainly, you would say, babies would not need that vaccine, right?

    But in africa there are men with AIDS sick enough to have raped babies on the theory that sex with a virgin will cure them. I mean sorry to gross you out, but its important to remember how depraved the human species can be. So yes, if we had an AIDS vaccine we should absolutely be giving it to children, from birth, with the appropriate sense of sadness that such a thing is necessary.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  73. dustin

    I open the blog this morning – dont blame me for pointing out that someone thinks that Palin was dropping her panties is none of our business and we shouldnt think about it while she is out there paintingthe flag on her bus and asking for donations….

    I didnt sleep with Rice, Todd didnt, the reporter didnt but according to Rice – Palin did.

    And while she was probably engaged or promised to Todd

    But lets not hold adults responsible for their consequences of their actions right?

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  74. Comment by elissa — 9/19/2011 @ 8:00 am

    elissa, how can you say that?
    There is Elizabeth Warren, and DWS…
    What are you? A “Lookist”?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  75. “its important to remember how depraved the human species can be.”

    I know all kinds of lefties, so I get reminded constantly.

    Dave Surls (545d6e)

  76. “But lets not hold adults responsible for their consequences of their actions right?”

    EPWJ – Why not set an example and accept responsibility for your words on this blog, cupcake?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  77. 78) LOL,

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  78. Comment by PatAZ — 9/19/2011 @ 10:26 am

    Conversing with epwj is best done in a shower, so one can immediately rinse off the filth that accumulates.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  79. “I had premarital sex”

    With somebody other than yourself?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  80. And so EPWJ completes the transformation to Andrew Sullivan.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  81. Comment by Aaron Worthing — 9/19/2011 @ 10:48 am

    Also, it’s important to remember the many cases of HIV passed by tainted blood transfusions.
    I’m sure that there are many more safeguards today than there were in the 80’s, especially now that we have some idea what we’re dealing with, but there is always the risk of the unknown.
    Better to be vaccinated/immunized and never face the threat, than to be unprotected and then exposed.
    Sort of like what we say about guns:
    Better to have a gun and never need to use it, than to have the need and no gun.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  82. Dusty – Creepy panty sniffer EPWJ and Rick Perry both want government officials to have lists of teenage girls who have received the official needle of approved sexual promiscuity. They believe they have a need to know. You tell me why.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 9/19/2011 @ 10:47 am

    I can’t tell you why because that’s really not accurate.

    The idea girls are approved to be sexually promiscuous because their risk of cervical cancer is drastically refused is pretty insane.

    I think you’re way off base claiming the reason for this vaccine was anything other than reducing cancer rates.

    There are good arguments why the government shouldn’t make that choice and there are good arguments for why it should. That one way to get cancer happens to be sexual has nothing to do with this vaccine.

    Unless you’re telling me you honestly think Perry wouldn’t have mandated this vaccine if HPV were communicated by coughing.

    No, the sex aspect is not a factor for Gardasil proponents. Only the opponents care about that aspect.

    But I can tell you why some people think cancer is bad. Do I need to?

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  83. Aaron, that’s an interesting point.

    It’s worth noting that the HPV vaccine appears to be as safe as a placebo injection (much to the chagrin of Perry’s opponents, who claim it causes all kinds of things they are lying about).

    Personally, I don’t think this issue should be on the government’s agenda, but I don’t think those on the other side are creeps. That’s base.

    Anyway, one argument behind vaccines is that they work best if almost everyone takes them, completely eliminating a virus from circulation (note, if boys in Texas weren’t taking the vaccine, I don’t think this would work). Also, one must administer the vaccine before sexual activity, hence the ‘creepy’ young age. It has nothing to do with twelve year olds becoming sexually active, and frankly that’s a pretty sick imagination that started suggesting this (years and years ago, as this is an issue I was tired of long before I had any idea Perry was running for anything but Governor).

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  84. Aaron -the best argument that the girls are “too young for the vaccine” is a medical one, and actually a reasonable one, having nothing to do with encouragement of promiscuity. It’s long term effectiveness is still in question, and may require boosters. The vaccine given too early would expose to risks of adverse events from the vaccine with no benefit to most individuals and little to know public health benefit or improvement in morbidity/mortality related to cervical cancer.

    If given to ten year olds with dropping levels of protection – if the vaccine doesn’t last more than 15 years you get all of the negatives with little of the benefit.

    SarahW (de6381)

  85. little to no, that is

    SarahW (de6381)

  86. Dustin

    I dont care that Palin dropped her britches, I just think all the EXCUSING for it, is problematic and soo Clintonian

    And if this is a bunch of hooey – SHE SHOULD SUE! So what if she’s a public figure – she should nmake sure that these people pay through the nose

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  87. “…there (is) a cancer growing on the presidency…” that is still there after 35-some years, and we’re babbling on about Gardasil?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  88. “With somebody other than yourself?”

    Well, I did, but that was in the 1960s, a period when teenage girls had essentially no standards whatsoever.

    Dave Surls (545d6e)

  89. SPQR

    Andre Sullivan is a creep, picking on the kids – my problem is solely with people who will excuse anything for this woman, next we will find out she screwed someone else and the whole train of excuses will go on and on and on.

    I do wonder at patriotic events when her flag festooned bus pulls up and she and her family take the stage as a modern Von Trapp family singeresq panorama of all that is dear to the heart of our country and we get stuff like this and its soooo terrible that thse who dared – dared – to confirm it are the heathen scum.

    Sullivan is was and always will be a creep

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  90. And while she was probably engaged or promised to Todd

    Probably? This is strikingly different than what you stated above.

    I’ll note that the Palins eloped. I doubt that she was engaged at the time of the alleged – alleged – assignation with Rice.

    It’s possible but I doubt that people who are engaged would elope. Why the need?

    And I’ll note again: Sarah Heath was a single 23-year old woman at the time.

    If the standard is that all of our public officials today must never ever have sex as twenty-year olds, then good grief, no one will be able serve in office.

    Bill Clinton, recall, was a married man serving public office in his forties when he had sex. Adultery that is.

    To compare Palin’s “alleged” behavior with Clinton’s documented behavior is absurd.

    SteveMG (9e2d69)

  91. And if this is a bunch of hooey – SHE SHOULD SUE!

    ?

    No one has said anything convincing about Palin doing anything. Some psycho no one sane believes said that he didn’t ask if Palin slept around?

    Who cares?

    Palin suing would obviously increase the profile of the scandal, doing Palin absolutely no good whatsoever. Whatever publication she demanded shut down would become free online instantly. Whoever she sued would be judgment proof.

    Palin just boosts the profile of the scandal.

    You’re acting like Palin not doing something that is highly irrational to do is some kind of evidence against her, which is an obvious stacking of the deck.

    Oh well. Enjoy smearing Palin for the rest of your life.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  92. If given to ten year olds with dropping levels of protection – if the vaccine doesn’t last more than 15 years you get all of the negatives with little of the benefit.

    Comment by SarahW — 9/19/2011 @ 11:13 am

    That’s a valid criticism. Though that’s a criticism of the prevailing medical view, which IMO politicians are well advised not to personally micromanage.

    But it still makes Perry look bad. The vaccine wasn’t really proven, IMO, no matter what they say.

    At the time it was far better tested than some suggest, with enough sampling to show it’s pretty safe, but Sarah’s right that they didn’t have a clue as to the duration of protection.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  93. SarahW

    Are you sure your information is correct – just as a thought it was introduced in 2006 it wont be unitl 2021 that we find out if it worked right?

    Or does some heath reporter know more that John Hopkins who were part of the development team or the CDC or the many other top researchers that are working on different types of gardisil to block other serious cancers such as colon and lung cancer

    Or maybe we should just condemn young women to death since Palin went on the record on the radio saying it was not proven and accused Perry of corruption adding to the comments that Bachmann made that night

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  94. SarahW

    Are you sure your information is correct – just as a thought it was introduced in 2006 it wont be unitl 2021 that we find out if it worked right?

    Or does some heath reporter know more that John Hopkins who were part of the development team or the CDC or the many other top researchers that are working on different types of gardisil to block other serious cancers such as colon and lung cancer

    Or maybe we should just condemn young women to death since Palin went on the record on the radio saying it was not proven and accused Perry of corruption adding to the comments that Bachmann made that night

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  95. I don’t care if Johnson smears Palin. I don’t care if he lies all the time. I don’t care if he refuses to take his anti-psychotics.

    But, I wish he’d wipe the drool off his chin. It kinda grosses me out.

    Dave Surls (545d6e)

  96. gardasil gardasil a little dab’ll do ya

    use more if you dare but Glen Rice might pursue ya

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  97. Eric

    > And if this is a bunch of hooey – SHE SHOULD SUE! So what if she’s a public figure – she should nmake sure that these people pay through the nose

    the fact she is a public figure makes it very hard for her to win the case, as a matter of law, even if it is false.

    which does suggest to me a simple legal reform might be of value. A two part verdict. The first is a ruling on whether the claim is true or false, and the second is on whether the defamation was malicious. There would be no damages connected to the first, but it would make it clear to the world in such public figure defamation case, that just because they didn’t get damages, doesn’t mean it is not true.

    Anyway, this claim is so weak that bill maher and keith olbermann wouldn’t bite. i don’t think there is any serious reputational harm.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  98. Rep Bachmann’s reaction to this thread is that Eric must have been vaccinated against HPV several times.

    I like Aaron’s defamation reform idea.

    Another benefit is that it probably doubles the billables, right?

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  99. sarah

    I assumed it worked for life. And you are right, that is a good argument (presuming you are factually right–i haven’t checked it out), but its not the one people are making against this and it certainly wasn’t what Eric was saying and Dustin was responding to.

    Still if i am understanding you correctly that means that if a girl gets it at 10 she will need a new vaccination at 25… so why not do that? or am i missing something on the science end of it?

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  100. NY Times v. Sullivan, really has gotten out of hand,
    of course, Susstein’s solution is scarcely better.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  101. gosh dangit Michele with one l –

    you got your gardasil in my peabnut bubber!

    no stupid happyfeet you got your peabnut bubber in my gardasil!

    (together) mmm… that’s tasty!

    Nice running into you Michele with one l!

    You too, happy!

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  102. Comment by happyfeet — 9/19/2011 @ 11:30 am

    ///chuckles///

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  103. Still if i am understanding you correctly that means that if a girl gets it at 10 she will need a new vaccination at 25… so why not do that? or am i missing something on the science end of it?

    I believe the complaint is simply that they don’t know how long the vaccine lasts.

    They could just get another (a booster) when needed, as with many other vaccines (tetanus, for example).

    I’m not expert on the science of this one, but I do know Gardasil is similar in effect to a placebo, but especially at the time Perry signed the EO, they did not know how long it lasts. Some still think it provides lifelong protection.

    It also doesn’t protect against all strains of HPV, but if everyone took Gardasil, cervical cancer would be reduced by 70%, anal cancer by 60%, most penile cancer too. Also 30% of squamos carcinoma of the head or neck.

    It’s a major deal to be able to eradicate the cancer, and I think boys and girls should take the vaccine.

    But the government doing so is a nanny. Why the nanny wants to rid us of a lot of cancer is obvious, but whether we want the nanny is an entirely different matter.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  104. “No, the sex aspect is not a factor for Gardasil proponents. Only the opponents care about that aspect.”

    Dustin – Sorry for misspelling your handle. I don’t speak for all parents on either side of the debate and neither do you. What is obvious is that Perry’s onerous opt out procedure for the government needle of sex, making it a quasi mandate, was what was objectionable to a large number of people. For some reason, creepy panty sniffer EPWJ and Rick Perry think the sex lives of our teenage girls should involve the government through a mandate process. Who is in/who is out. Given creepy panty sniffer EPWJ’s comments about the sex lives of Bristol Palin and her mother, I really don’t want to speculate further on his reasons.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  105. “Anyway, this claim is so weak that bill maher and keith olbermann wouldn’t bite.”

    Aaron – EPWJ goes where Maher and Olbermann fear to tread. Heh.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  106. Scenes from a Surreal Life: EPWJ writing “…Are you sure your information is correct ..

    The mind boggles.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  107. ISTM that there are several vaccinations/immunizations that require booster shots to maintain efficacy, such as tetanus.
    Why would we be concerned about this one, and not the others?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  108. Also, I am thinking that EPWJ is pretty oddly focused on whether or not Sarah Palin was engaged to Todd Palin when she did or didn’t have a fling.

    Maybe that cuts a little close to home for him?

    You have to admit, the posts have been pretty mental of late. So I guess there is nothing to do but get my hair cut at the Four Seasons and listen to “many people” agreeing with me.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  109. Dustin

    > It also doesn’t protect against all strains of HPV, but if everyone took Gardasil, cervical cancer would be reduced by 70%, anal cancer by 60%, most penile cancer too. Also 30% of squamos carcinoma of the head or neck.

    As a rule of thumb, i am in favor of reducing all of the above. I think I would rather have a brain tumor than a butt tumor for the sheer indignity of it. :-)

    (yes, i am joking)

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  110. Why do we have to pay more taxes than the left.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  111. For some reason, creepy panty sniffer EPWJ and Rick Perry think the sex lives of our teenage girls should involve the government through a mandate process.

    Onerous? It’s as easy as using the internet.

    I don’t speak for all parents on either side of the debate and neither do you.

    Actually, I do, insofar as sex is obviously not an aspect of the motivation to vaccinate against cancer. It takes no place in the logic behind vaccine proponents, because they would also want the vaccine if the virus was transmitted in a different way. That’s obvious.

    No one is giving their kids Gardasil as “the government needle of sex.”

    That’s got nothing to do with it. Kids are still at risk of all sorts of STDs, and no one, and I mean actually zero people, thought otherwise.

    Rick Perry think[s] the sex lives of our teenage girls should involve the government through a mandate process

    No he doesn’t. He did, however, think he should play nanny on a cancer vaccine. He didn’t, for a second, suggest this encourages sex for minors. That is crazy. He had no intention of changing anyone’s sex life, at least in that direction.

    For the cancer vaccine to work, you have to be vaccinated before sexual activity, hence an age before practically anyone is having sex. The only side of the argument that is concerned with sexuality are those opposed to the vaccine, simply because theirs are the only arguments that could possibly depend on that aspect.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  112. Comment by Aaron Worthing — 9/19/2011 @ 11:56 am

    Continued reading of epwj will cause brain cancer, and blindness.

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  113. Also, just to note, if a young adult has sex with someone who has HPV, they are 60% likely to contract the highly contagious virus. Or 0% if they have been vaccinated by Gardasil or Cervarix (at least for the time being, before whatever potential lapse in effectiveness has occurred.)

    12,000 women get cervical cancer each year because they were not immunized in time. Some abstained until marriage. About 4,000 people, most women but many men, get anal cancer for the same reason.

    The vaccine is said to be most effective at ages 11 and 12 in women, and from 9 to 26 for men.

    Condoms do not adequately protect against HPV.

    About half of Americans will contract HPV at some point.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  114. Oh, and I say that so people will choose to get their kids vaccinated. I don’t like a government that does this for me. Perry was very mistaken to let his strong desire to reduce cancer lead to mandating this vaccine.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  115. Even in an alternative universe in which Palin had supported abstinence-only education, I have never understood how people imagine Bristol’s pregnancy would make that incongruous. On the contrary, were Palin really an anti-sex-ed campaigner, her daughter’s pregnancy would be the perfect argument for her campaign. She could say “look what happens when you teach children to play with matches; I shouted, I begged, I did everything I could to prevent my daughter from being taught these things, the school didn’t listen, and sure enough she burned the house down, exactly as I feared and warned would happen.”

    I think these critics somehow have the idea that parents control what their children are taught, and that if someone advocates a particular educational policy then their children must have had the benefit of that policy. But the whole point of the campaigns on this issue is that parents don’t have any say in what the public schools teach, so they have to resort to the political arena to try to achieve their goal.

    Of course in this universe Palin has never been against teaching sensible non-explicit lessons about contraception, any more than she’s been against teaching about evolution (another story made up out of whole cloth during the 2008 campaign).

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  116. Yes, he was wrong, and he realized his mistake, did he not, by reversing his order?
    We can argue that it was political posturing, but what else do pols do?
    It was attempting to garner political points when he drafted the order, and it was the same when he rescinded it in response to negative feedback.
    About the only good thing that can be said is that it seems that he, down deep, had the health interests of Texans at heart – he just did it wrong.
    No Harm, No Foul!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  117. As for any contradiction between being against teenage premarital sex, and her own alleged behaviour; even if this ridiculous story were true, she was 23! Hardly a teenager.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  118. And didn’t the Chief Playboy spend years explaining to us in “The Playboy Philosophy” why pre-marital sex was good, you Puritans you!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  119. Drew,

    the way I see, it, if another conservative shows up who is equal to Perry on performance on the big issues, with similarly impressive levels of experience, and he didn’t make this Gardasil mistake, I’ll vote for him.

    Then I’m going to buy a lottery ticket and check the sky for falling skittles.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  120. Well, don’t know about falling skittles, but there will be a very large extra-terrestrial object dropping out way soon.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  121. Ooops….”our” not “out”

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  122. You know besides all the crazy allegation that only pikachu, and the Jakarta Jemadar seem to buy, the more serious item is that McGuinness drew a map of
    how to approach the Palin’s house, that is more
    disturbing,

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  123. “For the cancer vaccine to work, you have to be vaccinated before sexual activity”

    Dustin – No, you have to be inoculated before sexual activity with someone infected with the virus. The government must maintain this list of who can be naughty or nice so panty sniffing EPWJ can use it for his own nefarious ends.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  124. Romney flip-flops on illegal immigration so the romneybots can go stick their finger in some other places wind.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  125. Unemployment in Texas is at a level not seen since 1987.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  126. Dustin – No, you have to be inoculated before sexual activity with someone infected with the virus. The government must maintain this list of who can be naughty or nice so panty sniffing EPWJ can use it for his own nefarious ends.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 9/19/2011 @ 12:30 pm

    OK. But if most people will contract the disease at some point, and you’re 60% likely to contract the disease from any single encounter with someone infected, for it to be effective, you obviously have to be vaccinated prior to ANY sexual activity.

    This is a very common virus.

    Parents should get their kids vaccinated. And anyone who says they are perverts or creeps for doing so is exactly as reasonable as those who say Perry is a creep for his nanny state moment.

    The motive here is not sexual at all. These people would want HPV vaccinated against if it were spread from thumb-war.

    The age is not a sign of pedophilia, but has a legitimate and obvious rationale that Perry did not originate.

    Though given EPWJ’s comments in this thread, you’re probably right about him.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  127. Unemployment in Texas is at a level not seen since 1987.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/19/2011 @ 12:40 pm

    It’s like zero where I am. What are you talking about?

    Did you know that Romney raised taxes and government spending, and he was probably the worst governor in the entire country at the time, including democrats, and even including his democrat opponent, who was more conservative on many issues, including guns?

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  128. Cheap shot, I know, but one good turn deserves another.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  129. Anyone happen to hear those lovely comments the lithping Mike Tyson made about Palin a day or two ago?

    That POS will soon be awarded another gig by those in Hollywood.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  130. “This may put a slight damper on Rick Perry’s ability to tout the “Texas miracle” of job creation: The unemployment rate rose to 8.5 percent last month, still lower than the national rate of 9.1 percent, but higher than it’s been in Texas since 1987.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/277629/unemployment-rate-texas-highest-1987-katrina-trinko

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  131. That POS will soon be awarded another gig by those in Hollywood.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/19/2011 @ 12:43 pm

    It’s amazing how nasty folks are lately. Tyson is probably always classless, but the nastiness in general is clearly a couple of notches higher than it was a few weeks ago.

    It’s because they are sour over Obama’s oncoming loss.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  132. What’s yer plan, Governor Perry?

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  133. “This may put a slight damper on Rick Perry’s ability to tout the “Texas miracle” of job creation: The unemployment rate rose to 8.5 percent last month, still lower than the national rate of 9.1 percent, but higher than it’s been in Texas since 1987.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/277629/unemployment-rate-texas-highest-1987-katrina-trinko

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/19/2011 @ 12:46 pm

    Meh.

    Texas is a, if not the, leader on jobs in this country. Anyone claiming otherwise is just crazy.

    Texas is conservatism. Limited government, most of the time, and spending cuts constantly. Balanced budgets, even in hard times.

    Not just on paper. Not projections. Real balanced budgets. (In MA, Romney claimed to have a surplus, but it was on paper… the budget had a big gap, and the tax increases and spending increases turned into a huge problem after the economy cooled).

    Texas’s policies are not magical. For one thing, a lot of people are fleeing states like MA and CA to come to Texas for jobs.

    Which is a very good thing, as there are so many jobs being created here, that we do need a steady supply of people fleeing the mistaken tax and spend policies of blue states were Perry would be unelectable.

    But compare apples to apples. If you do control for the flood of folks coming to Texas, the idea there’s a damper on employment in Texas is dishonest. There’s no other word for it.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  134. Sarah Palin in their eyes is the Terrifying Shiksa From Hell, who has the goddamn nerve to be white and have babies and be successful

    d. in c., go play with stari momak, preferably in traffic.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  135. It’s amazing how nasty folks are lately. Tyson is probably always classless, but the nastiness in general is clearly a couple of notches higher than it was a few weeks ago.

    Still, there are a number of leftwing bloggers and other lefties who are crying “foul!” over this new muckraking book. I suspect the only thing that really bothers them is the potential of this sort of crap to backfire on them.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  136. Balanced budget? As of January 2011, Texas was looking at a gap of probably about $10 billion or so, spread out over two years.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  137. I know there are a lot of positive things about Texas, but it’s probably not wise to gild the lily.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  138. Colonel

    the problem with all unemployment numbers is that they are not the same as “jobless.”

    For instance, alot of people have moved to texas seeking jobs, pushing that number upward.

    I do wish our media would stop obsessing on unemployment, and pay attention to joblessness. both deserve attention, but only one gets any.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  139. “Palin’s smarter than people think, says — Ralph Nader”

    Heads all over the Leftist-sphere are imploding from such heresy.
    H/T- HotAir

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  140. Comment by Aaron Worthing — 9/19/2011 @ 1:00 pm

    I think the more important number is the one for the number of people in the job force who are employed; and that number (%) is at its lowest in 28-years IIRC.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  141. So why do the wealthy left evade taxes?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  142. So is it corporal greed when you vote for Obama?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  143. “Palin’s smarter than people think, says — Ralph Nader”

    Only, it’s not much of a compliment when a drooling idiot says you’re smart.

    Dave Surls (ca6272)

  144. Raise taxes on the rich and when they cant give people money whine about how you will starve.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  145. Ralph Nader is a p*ssy.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  146. Aaron, thanks so much for writing this.

    My pet peeve above all others is intellectual dishonesty, and Palin-haters are so thoroughly bloated with it, they would be declared lost causes by the producers of The Biggest Loser. And yet, they ARE losers.

    Upcoming on my blog is a thread about my Twitter exchanges with one particularly odious Sarahphobe. This woman joined in as a party to a frivolous suit retroactively complaining that as Governor of Alaska, the office failed in 2007 to issue a proclamation recognizing Juneteenth, the now-obscure June 19th observance of the day in 1865 when the last American slaves were informed that two-and-a-half years earlier, the Thirteenth Amendment had been ratified. The suit itself was filed by a man who alleged that long before, a year after the reported Rice liaison, the then-single Sarah Heath suddenly resisted his amorous advances because — get this — she didn’t realize he was black until he told her he was.

    Nobody who has ever seen Glen Rice has mistaken him for anything but black. If you doubt that, click here (Rated PG-13). When I tweeted the hatetress and told her a Glen Rice “hookup” shot the idea Palin was a racist to hell, her response was typical foaming idiocy.

    L.N. Smithee (d7ed67)

  147. Palin is a racist for dating a black guy apparently.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  148. “The motive here is not sexual at all.”

    Dustin – Then why do creepy panty sniffer EPWJ and Rick Perry need a list of who has been vaccinated and who has not been?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  149. I have tried for the last five minutes to find a way to put my thoughts into a cogent comment but have been unsuccessful. Yes, I know it’s almost impossible to believe, but this thread has left me speechless.

    elissa (eb1e16)

  150. “Yes, I know it’s almost impossible to believe, but this thread has left me speechless.”

    elissa – I try not to let obstacles like that get in my way.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  151. Dustin – Then why do creepy panty sniffer EPWJ and Rick Perry need a list of who has been vaccinated and who has not been?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 9/19/2011 @ 1:35 pm

    Because they want their children to be eaten by AIDS and Herpes.

    I stand corrected.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  152. Oh good Allah.

    JD (d3ede3)

  153. boy i start a thread on sarah palin and all kinds of hell breaks loose.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  154. The only hell is that perverts like Rick Perry and EPWJ are filling our children with HPV to mentally disable them long enough to brainwash them with dhimmitude.

    /Grover Norquist!

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  155. Yeah, well Aaron, that’s because Andrew Sullivan Light seems to hang out here.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  156. Please view this as one of those “teachable moments”, Aaron.

    elissa (eb1e16)

  157. Then Palin should immediately file an injunction to stop the distribution of the book right?

    File an injunction to stop the distribution of a book?

    Perhaps EPWJ has spent too much time in places like Saudi Arabia and Malaysia, where terms like “prior restraint” don’t mean anything.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  158. Remember, the FBI is going to issue indictments against Palin any day now. Right after they indict Breitbart, and frog-march Rove and Cheney, and Bush cancels the 2008 election.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  159. Sorry Perry admitted his mistake.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  160. Calling the rich greedy bigots is class warfare you trollbama.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  161. here is the song about how it sucks when you don’t have an id and you can’t get into the cool clubs and stuff especially in the united kingdom so instead you have to dress up like john travolta and olivia newton john in Grease and dance with your faux-greaser mates and then go back to your council flat and have tasty beans on toast with your dear old mum

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  162. 1) Palin certainly does not fit the profile. 2) interracial dating was still taboo.

    Um, did you forget that at the time of this alleged incident Palin already had a long history of interracial dating, and shortly thereafter married outside her race? There’s no reason at all to believe this story, but the interracial aspect is not a reason to disbelieve it.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  163. plus also mini coopers are involved

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  164. Just heard the Mike Tyson comments. They make Tracy Morgan’s sound like nursery rhymes (and not the Andrew “Dice” Clay) versions). But they’re only shocking if you don’t know Tyson’s history. I’m not surprised that a pig says “oink.”

    L.N. Smithee (abcb20)

  165. Dede Scozzafava never made anyone’s precious child a retard with the government needle of sex.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  166. Another Slapfest is going on at Hot Air between the palin cultists and perrybots :roll:

    DohBiden (d54602)

  167. which does suggest to me a simple legal reform might be of value. A two part verdict. The first is a ruling on whether the claim is true or false, and the second is on whether the defamation was malicious. There would be no damages connected to the first, but it would make it clear to the world in such public figure defamation case, that just because they didn’t get damages, doesn’t mean it is not true.

    Um, don’t we already have that? The jury has to report on all three elements. In Sharon v Time the jury decided that the story was both false and defamatory, but that it was not proven that Time knew or should have known it was false; so Sharon lost his case, but won a moral victory which helped him win damages in his Israeli suit.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  168. Milhouse @ 170.

    agreed 100%

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  169. Hit a nerve there, did I, Milhouse?

    Funny how I seem to know exactly where all your nerves are located.

    Why is that, do ya reckon?

    d. in c. (0b8a2b)

  170. It’s a major deal to be able to eradicate the cancer, and I think boys and girls should take the vaccine. But the government doing so is a nanny. Why the nanny wants to rid us of a lot of cancer is obvious, but whether we want the nanny is an entirely different matter.

    But this was not government qua government, but government qua owner and operator of the public school system. I don’t think public schools should exist, but so long as they do the government has to make the same sort of policy decisions that every private school does, and that includes what vaccinations should be required as a condition of admission. Deciding to require girls entering public high school to have Gardasil injections is no more or less “nannyish” than setting nutritional standards for public school lunches, or setting dress codes. And most of these decisions are routinely taken by the executive branch, not by the legislature.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  171. Corporate greed refers to those who vote against Obama.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  172. I don’t think public schools should exist, but so long as they do the government has to make the same sort of policy decisions that every private school does

    Sure. Hence Santorum’s argument that some of this stuff is acceptable and some isn’t.

    I disagree on your distinction. If the school is serving lunch, they should serve a decent one. And I think diseases spread via normal school contacts should be vaccinated against to a reasonable degree as well.

    But the Gardasil vaccination is more like banning cigarettes. I understand the motivation. I would do the same to those in my care. But I the government has to have limits, even when the emotional appeal is very strong.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  173. Haiku, I admit that’s quite a nice endorsement.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  174. What… no cheap shots, Dustin?

    Just kiddin’…

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  175. The increased focus on teaching Sex Ed in high school seems to be about as effective as increasing federal education spending.

    Why is there so much angst every 4 years on what gets taught to who? I suspect it’s more about politics than about teaching the kiddos not to make babies and spread diseases.

    MayBee (081489)

  176. Oh great flip flopney got another endorsement based on his mormonism……………Eff you.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  177. Well we have a different opinion of the Congressman down here,

    http://lacontrarevolucion.blogspot.com/2007/01/falling-flake.html

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  178. Anyway, this claim is so weak that bill maher and keith olbermann wouldn’t bite. i don’t think there is any serious reputational harm.

    Comment by Aaron Worthing — 9/19/2011 @ 11:31 am

    You know why Maher & Creepy Keith won’t touch it? Because it doesn’t fit the narrative that she hates minorities in general and blacks in particular. Remember that bull/horse/chicken that was being slung by Olbermann about her 2008 campaign appearances being reminiscent of the gathering of lynch mobs?

    In 1992, Bill Clinton was a well-known philanderer when he ran on his record against GHWB, and unlike Palin, the existence of his extramarital affair was recorded on tape (remember Gennifer Flowers? If not, educate yourself). And of the alleged cocaine use? If you choose to believe ALL the rumors about the last three Presidents, they’ve ALL snorted coke — Clinton, GWB, and Obama. That ship has sailed. If it was a disqualifying event, Obama — the first one to go on record admitting it — wouldn’t being fouling the Oval Office now.

    What all of this says to me as someone who admires Palin (but doesn’t think she should be elected in 2012) is that after all the rumors and whispers that there were facts buried in the Alaskan permafrost that once unearthed would render her a national pariah, this is all they’ve got; overblown, manufactured outrage they are praying will estrange her from her supposedly racist fan base.

    L.N. Smithee (dfcddb)

  179. Oh great flip flopney got another endorsement based on his mormonism……………Eff you.

    Comment by DohBiden — 9/19/2011 @ 2:44 pm

    I could say the same for any Christian who endorses Perry. I don’t think that’s fair.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  180. I am still unconvinced of either the efficacy or safety of the vaccine. The way it was rushed to distribution, marketed, and how disputes are shouted down has me skeptical. We don’t know the long-term effects and the claims of protection are not warranted by the available data. The fact they can’t be proven (not enough time has passed) should be a big red flag on all the other claims related to it.

    I have recommended to an extended family member that she not get this vaccine yet. I would certainly not give consent for my daughters to get it. The claims made are premature IMO.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  181. I don’t put a lot of stock in that Gallup poll this early, but one aspect stuck out: “In the poll, 53% say they would prefer the nominee with the best chance of beating Obama”

    This is why Romney lost a ton of support when Perry entered the race. Many who were familiar enough with Perry to know he’s probably electable too, but also good on economic issues, jumped. Romney has a lot of supporters who are deeply pragmatic and motivated primarily towards beating Obama. Right now, Romney is among the most familiar electable candidates because he was the guy we all regret not nominating in 2008 (myself included).

    That’s how the GOP works.

    As they come to be familiar with candidates like Cain and Bachmann and Gingrich, they might like some of what they see, but stick to Romney for his electability. Some of those folks will become familiar with Perry and realize he is actually electable too, and they can pick which of the two better reflects their politics.

    I think Romney’s electability argument is fundamentally weak, because he’s not the only person who can beat Obama these days.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  182. You would be right but I know a lot of christians who vote for him because they think he would be better than Obama.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  183. re: post #185… doh biden… you need to do your part to help raise the level of discourse. When that comes from me – I think most would agree – you have a problem.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  184. I have recommended to an extended family member that she not get this vaccine yet. I would certainly not give consent for my daughters to get it. The claims made are premature IMO.

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 9/19/2011 @ 2:52 pm

    I disagree at least on the negative reactions aspect. A lot of people have had the vaccine. More than would be needed to detect even a minor side effect. That the vaccination might wear off is a different matter.

    But folks should be able to make this determination for their own families. There are too many issues like this that we’re not going to be able to agree on.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  185. Dustin… I understand Rick Perry is your Personal Jesus, but the man really needs to voice some substantive plans/proposals and not just rely on his Texas Miracle, which, in terms of the state of this nation, is just a few shades better than a ShamWow! pitch.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  186. LOL.

    I don’t really adore Perry, I just get bent out of shape whenever there’s another prominent Republican, because every damn time they are attacked from 100 directions.

    It always gets on my nerves.

    You’re certainly right that Perry has to (and obviously will) provide a full agenda.

    I just have that decade+ of how he governs, and that’s a bigger deal to me than just talk. It’s going to take a lot to change my mind on which camp I’m in. Someone can promise to govern 100% as I want, but if I don’t trust them, it doesn’t influence me (in fact, this is exactly what happened with Christine O’Donnell).

    Talk is cheap. You’re justified in demanding that agenda, but talk is cheap.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  187. Most politicians are crooks.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  188. Yes, indeed… talk is cheap. and that’s one reason why I got bushels full, lol.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  189. Romneybots accusing others of believing politicans are their personal Jesus is so ironic it makes me puke.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  190. I disagree at least on the negative reactions aspect.
    Comment by Dustin — 9/19/2011 @ 2:57 pm

    The claim that side effects would already be known is not accurate. Not enough data. Mandating this vaccine is irresponsible.

    The marketing and politics of this smells to high heaven.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  191. Glen Rice was a shooter. He couldn’t play a lick of D though.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  192. There once was a man called doh biden
    a dolt or a prophet, still decidin’
    of his posts, asked the missus
    what a revoltin’ development this is!
    on her take, five star meal is now ridin’

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  193. The claim that side effects would already be known is not accurate. Not enough data. Mandating this vaccine is irresponsible.

    The marketing and politics of this smells to high heaven.

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 9/19/2011 @ 3:10 pm

    I guess we just disagree on that, but I’m definitely not an expert on vaccines.

    30,000 people were in trials to determine the safety of the vaccine that has been in use for eight years without a known problem aside from the needles themselves.

    35 million doses have been administered so far. 68 deaths (statistically, this is what you’d get for that number of people, suggesting the vaccine doesn’t kill). The deaths do not have any unusual pattern to suggest anything. 19,000 reported adverse side affects. The vast majority being that needles lead to fainting or pain, and the suggested response is to watch the patient for 15 minutes, because fainting can cause a head injury.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  194. Times Guy… where are ya when I need ya?

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  195. Glen Rice was a shooter. He couldn’t play a lick of D though.

    came in like a lion, went out like a lamb.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  196. BTW, my argument doesn’t really help Perry. They had far, far, far less info in 2007.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  197. We might have had more information if Michelle Obama hadn’t used her position to keep University of Chicago hospital out of the study.

    MayBee (081489)

  198. Instead of us paying taxes Geithner and his boyfriends should pay taxes.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  199. We’ve got cities with graduation rates hovering around 30%. Why in the world would anybody think the important issue is whether the kids who skip school would have heard about condoms or abstinence if only they had bothered to show up?

    Is this what liberals really find to be an important focus for our schools? Sex Ed? Hey- maybe it should be a new section on the SAT.

    MayBee (081489)

  200. The only hell is that perverts like Rick Perry and EPWJ are filling our children with HPV to mentally disable them long enough to brainwash them with dhimmitude.

    /Grover Norquist!

    Um, I thought Norquist was a loyad dhimmi (unless he’s a secret Moslem), and certainly not one to complain about dhimmitude.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  201. and then go back to your council flat and have tasty beans on toast with your dear old mum

    Mmmm, baked beans on toast. Now you’ve got me wanting some. These are the most delicious I’ve found.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  202. Hit a nerve there, did I, Milhouse?

    Funny how I seem to know exactly where all your nerves are located.

    Why is that, do ya reckon?

    Because you’re a racist pig, just like Stari.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  203. Um, I thought Norquist was a loyad dhimmi (unless he’s a secret Moslem), and certainly not one to complain about dhimmitude.

    Comment by Milhouse — 9/19/2011 @ 3:32 pm

    I was referencing the silliness that surrounds those who don’t understand where Norquist is coming from (indeed he is right that immigrants from the middle east are a good source for expanding the party).

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  204. Rice sure could shoot the rock. He got on a heater in the tourney in ’89 where he was almost unguardable. I think he shot 60%+ for the tourney.

    Racists.

    JD (1e48bc)

  205. But the Gardasil vaccination is more like banning cigarettes. I understand the motivation. I would do the same to those in my care. But I the government has to have limits, even when the emotional appeal is very strong.

    You think public schools shouldn’t ban smoking?!

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  206. China is trying to stop the world from being overpopulated with women………….i hate leftys trying to justify this shit.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  207. Grover Norquist is a not so secret dhimmi.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  208. the first one to go on record admitting it

    Well, it’s expected that Blacks do drugs /snark off/

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  209. Chinas population policies is appalling and sexist.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  210. The marketing and politics of this smells to high heaven.

    uh boy –

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  211. Scozzafava had a one night stand with Helen Thomas 3 years ago.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  212. “Because you’re a racist pig…”

    Hmmm, where have I heard this before? Here we go again, I’m a man of my word, and I said I was going to keep on doing this, so here we are.

    Milhouse, please define for us what you mean by “racist.” It’s a simple question, respectfully asked, and you seem rather fond of the word since you use it a lot, so surely you have a clear idea of what you mean by it.

    Thanks in advance for your lucid and polite reply.

    d. in c. (af7a3a)

  213. I was hoping epwj had passed out.

    JD (17012e)

  214. You think public schools shouldn’t ban smoking?!

    Comment by Milhouse

    Government run schools should be run properly, such that they aren’t harmful to the students. Vaccinating against normally spread disease, nutrition in lunch, prohibiting smoking on campus… all that’s logical.

    The government banning smoking generally, to protect us, or taxing it, to protect us, is not similar to that.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  215. Hmmm, you can almost just smell my little friend Socrates waiting in the wings, can’t you. But you’re full of righteousness, so I’m quite certain a little Socratic method won’t cause your operation to skip a beat, right?

    Right?

    d. in c. (1e48bc)

  216. What has Nelson Mandella done for his people?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  217. Haiku, I admit that’s quite a nice endorsement.

    Me too. Jeff Flake is definitely no flake.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  218. Yeah but I guess his support for conservatism goes out the window when Romney whispers sweet nothings in his ears?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  219. We don’t know the long-term effects and the claims of protection are not warranted by the available data.

    But why would you even suspect that it might have bad long-term effects? Why assume that of any new invention? If there are unforeseen long-term effects, aren’t they just as likely to be good as bad?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  220. Right now, Romney is among the most familiar electable candidates because he was the guy we all regret not nominating in 2008 (myself included).

    Do you really think he would have defeated 0bama in 2008?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  221. Milhouse

    Didnt Huckabee? that guy knock Romney out?

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  222. Most politicians are crooks.

    Most != all. The crooks would like you to think that most == all, so that you won’t think less of them. But there really are honest politicians, and their example puts the dishonest ones to shame.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  223. Most politicans not all.

    Yeah eric but Suckabee and Mutt Romney are best friends all of a sudden.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  224. I was referencing the silliness that surrounds those who don’t understand where Norquist is coming from (indeed he is right that immigrants from the middle east are a good source for expanding the party).

    Maybe so, but not without vetting that’s much more careful then he did. Some of the people he’s palled around with are more frightening than Bill Ayers.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  225. Milhouse, please define for us what you mean by “racist.”

    It’s what I’m looking at when you’re in my field of vision.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  226. ____________________________________________

    Then Obama is a hypocrite for enforcing drug prohibition, when he himself smoked marijuana and snorted cocaine.

    Or for giving a speech a few years ago about the the perils and horrors of global warming presented at a location in Illinois he drove to in his damn SUV. When his own inability to do something as rather easy and painless as buying and driving a less fuel-hogging vehicle along the lines of, say, a compact BMV was raised by some pundits, Obama’s spokesman had the gall to say the SUV in question actually was somehow enviro-friendly when it wasn’t.

    The hypocrisy of limousine liberalism is far more pervasive and pathetic than traditional socio-cultural hypocrisy — or hypocrisy associated with traditional morality and religion — if only because the idealism and phoniness of leftists often runs counter to government initiatives and legislative restrictions.

    Another example — which makes me snicker to no end — is one of the long-time heroes of the Democrat Party and liberalism — Franklin D Roosevelt — in the 1930s berating the well-to-do for avoiding higher taxes, and then his having the nerve to claim the higher taxes he himself had supported and signed into law did not apply to his own sizable income.

    Mark (411533)

  227. Government run schools should be run properly, such that they aren’t harmful to the students. Vaccinating against normally spread disease, nutrition in lunch, prohibiting smoking on campus… all that’s logical.

    The government banning smoking generally, to protect us, or taxing it, to protect us, is not similar to that.

    The problem is that a significant percentage of public school students do have sex with their classmates. The school is at least partially responsible for that, because it throws them together, and without it they might not have met. Any public high school student can be presumed to be at risk for STDs, unless their home environment is unusually strong, and even then there’s no guarantee. Send the same kid to a parochial school, or home school, and his/her chance of getting laid drops considerably, because they’re mixing with a better crowd. So the school shares some of the responsibility for preventing at least some of the harm that can result.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  228. So, Milhouse is done and dusted. Next.

    The Brave Sir Robin Award is rather popular in these parts, it seems.

    d. in c. (1e48bc)

  229. So, Milhouse is done and dusted.

    Not even close. Go away, pig.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  230. Comment by Mark — 9/19/2011 @ 4:52 pm

    Wasn’t his defense that the SUV was his wife’s and she needed it for dragging the two girls and friends around?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (7ce0f9)

  231. “Not even close.”

    ???

    But, but the res ipsa, it just keeps on loquituring, and loquituring, and loquituring…

    It’s almost like some sort of crazy Loqui-Turing Test.

    “Go away, pig.”

    Let the record show that a polite request for conceptual clarification was met with rude, abusive dismissal-slash-skulking evasion.

    Like I say: Done and dusted. Next.

    d. in c. (1e48bc)

  232. we need another song here this is my favorite mix of that one Calvin Harris song what was on the soundtrack of that british sitcom I never watched yet

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  233. But I don’t want to feel close to a racist pig like d. in c. I’d get who-knows-what all over me and I’d have to shower and change, and scrub really hard.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  234. happyfeet… thought I had better let you know that I ratted you out to AttackWatch re: your complicity in the death of StoneWall Jackson.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  235. I decry racism

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  236. !

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  237. one thing I like about Mr. Governor Perry if you don’t mind me sharing

    ok

    one thing I like about Mr. Governor Perry is he doesn’t seem in any danger at all of having a cult of personality form around him

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  238. Still waiting in vain to hear a lucid explanation of your magic spell. Apparently you believe in magical spells.

    And unfunny insults. No wonder your agent doesn’t return your calls.

    The ancient Druids believed in spells and curses too, ya know, so you can take a bit of comfort in their company. Hope you got a thing for oak trees, that would help.

    d. in c. (ae55d7)

  239. I like Perry because the man loves politics like Clinton loved politics. I think that scares the Democrats, because we haven’t had a man who loved the game (and was good at it) since Reagan. I have a campaign slogan for him, even.

    Perry 2012: Bring It.

    MayBee (081489)

  240. I’m racist and I am positively giddy Milhouse detests my presence in his country.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  241. Perry 2012: I got this.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  242. “The Man Will Say Something… Eventually” Perry-2012

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  243. The problem is that a significant percentage of public school students do have sex with their classmates.

    That’s not the school’s business, for the most part.

    Beyond educating them.

    Breathing, however, is a little different.

    This is a common sense issue, so I won’t explain.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  244. I began reading the comments until I ran into the comments by EricPWJohnson. The guy is creepy. There is the constant reference to Palin dropping her underpants – an image right out of a porno movie. It’s really a rather sick obsession that he has with an attractive woman. It’s shared by many troubled men which may be why, if you Google “Sarah Palin naked,” you get nearly 6 million hits. The reason for EricPWJohnson’s particular obsession with Palin and her underwear are not possible to diagnose except through individual therapy, but it could have to do with his personal relationships with the opposite sex or a medical condition. Either way, it’s disturbing.

    Moneyrunner (4e2dce)

  245. you’re watching the wrong pornos

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  246. “The Texas Tongue-Twister”: Rick “Teller” Perry – 2012

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  247. PeeWee bin Dissed!

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  248. happyfeet, do us a favor and don’t suggest any for Moneyrunner to watch.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  249. happyfeet… Dustin is the Cult of One

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  250. Look if gay marriage passes I will accept it but not agree with it.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  251. In late-breaking news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

    And weaselly poo-flinging self-righteous commenter Milhouse is still done and dusted.

    Such a deal.

    d. in c. (ae55d7)

  252. In late breaking news you like to verbally touch yourself d in c.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  253. if gay marriage passes everyone will remember where they were and what they were doing like when that president from that white trash massachusetts clan got shot or like when 9-11 happened. It will be such a traumatic blow to the family and to traditional marriage. Everyone should just hock their wedding rings after gay marriage passes cause of it makes such a mockery of a treasured institution and then they can take the monies they get and go buy handy neato brand robotic vacuums and then after that maybe just maybe they can start to heal.

    Maybe.

    Probably not.

    But maybe.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  254. I suspect the real reason for the Jakarta Jemadar, is akin to the remarks of one of Palin’s foes, Lyda Green, who’s comments about her supposed narcissism is belied by the fact that she took on the establishment in the state, and by proxy the Major Oil companies, they never forgot that

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  255. Rick Perry wants to get rid of SS?

    He did not say that you idiots.

    SS needs to be reformed but according to the left it means you want to do away with it.

    People like Geithner and Buffet have not paid their taxes so why don’t you go and save your outrage for them and insist they pay their fair share.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  256. Didn’t Lyda Green accept bribe money from VECO?

    That tramp had the authority to criticize Palin for doing what she did herself?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  257. Yes, that one, Doh.

    Senator Lyda Green (R-Wasilla), Senate Finance Committee Co-Chair: $28,000

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  258. Is Lyda the RINO still senator?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  259. Lyda Green made Alaska look corrupt and the scrunt has the gall to insist Palin did damage to Alaskas reputation?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  260. moneyrunner

    oh I’m certifiable. I’m certifiably agast at the thought that some people keep making excuses for other peoples adult behavior and try and criminalize the behavior of those who point out the obvious

    These are good people here, many who have been ttally duped through their own good intentions into following a fraud.

    Our country is in trouble and for profit the gov who quit knowingly and falsely acused a sitting gov of corruption.

    Like I said her marriage is up to both of them, not what happened in 1987

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  261. Like you falsely accuse two white guys of gang raping a black women?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  262. doh

    thats it? thats all you have? \

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  263. doh werent you the person that called bachmann a c-susker a couple of days ago?

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  264. poor doh all he can do is bring up a quote from Ann Coulter attribute it to me because his idol’s pedistal has a major chip in the base

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  265. This is the company you are keeping, a hive of scum and villainy, it’s hard to imagine you would ever
    venture that speculation about anyone else

    http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/joe-mcginniss-to-appear-on-piers-morgan.html

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  266. doh
    Palin took lots of money from veco they were everyone’s major supporter in alaska – she was also part of the frankie political machine

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  267. bachmann so crazy man I wanna party with that hoochie

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  268. Palin took how much compared to Leda Green?

    Btw i thought you hated Bachmann?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  269. See happyfeet can call Bachmann all sorts of names but since he despises Palin it is all right.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  270. Drug makers are not infallible.

    Not even close.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  271. Federally funded abstinence programs started in 1997.

    Of course, in Bill Clinton’s case it was not hypocrisy, since he was most likely abstaining from sex from Hillary.

    What is wrong with someone who has a history of promiscuity saying that abstinence is the way?

    Would you listen to Barney Frank about the subject of sex with women?

    Agreed. i never got the argument that the girls were too young for the vaccine. Granted they are too young to consent in sex but… but it is bizarre to argue that the moral position is to say to a girl that young that if she should be raped or merely taken advantage of by a guy from “To Catch a Predator” or whatever, that not only will she have to live with the trauma of the rape (whether it is statutory rape or forcible rape), but as a bonus she has to be exposed to a disease that could kill her, too.

    I have studied the issue. HPV is nowhere nearly as lethal as measles, mumps, or rubella- let alone polio or smallpox.

    When I went to school, nobody ever had an HPV vaccination. They could not have had one, since it was not yet invented. I do not recall a single student, who had went to the same school I did at the same time, that had ever died from an HPV infection. I never heard of any children dying from an HPV infection.

    By contrast, those of us who are old enough to have gone to school before MMR, polio, or smallpox vaccines were mandatory would recall stories of children dying from the diseases those vaccinations were meant to prevent.

    So why this sudden campaign to make mandatory a vaccination for a disease with a very low transmission and lethality rate?

    That one way to get cancer happens to be sexual has nothing to do with this vaccine.

    It has to do with the transmissions rate. Because the transmission rate is so low, it is not justified the way mandates for MMR, polio, and smallpox are/were justified.

    Michael Ejercito (64388b)

  272. “I have a headache, dear” Obama-2012

    elissa (eb1e16)

  273. That is why the bachmann worshippers are not all right in the head.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  274. happyfeet… Dustin is the Cult of One

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/19/2011 @ 6:07 pm

    Sorry pal. You’re saying more about yourself than me. I’m perfectly willing to criticize and ackowledge criticism of Perry.

    And I’m direct. None of this passive aggressive Romney supporter stuff.

    Yeah, I support Perry of the crowd. It’s very early, so who knows, but as things stand, that’s the best one, and most Republicans agree with me on this.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  275. Again someone left the irony off.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  276. Obama 2012: Hold on one second there, sweetie

    MayBee (081489)

  277. “Was it as good for you as it was for me?” Obama – 2012

    elissa (eb1e16)

  278. Mugabe like all far-leftys in america is a tyrant.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  279. Hey, seems Elissa
    and MayBee doing all the
    heavy lifting here

    elissa (eb1e16)

  280. And the mugabebots in africa are no social conservatives either.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  281. Sweetie I inherited my tiny juniors from the bush admin-Obama 2012 and now

    DohBiden (d54602)

  282. Seek help, epwj. Srsly

    JD (318f81)

  283. EPWJ 2012 – come here little girl goat. I have candy.

    JD (318f81)

  284. EricPWJohnson is scum.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  285. Muslims are hypocrites.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  286. no they’re not they’re mostly just people

    they’re no more hypocritical en masse than evangelicals it’s just they like everyone to face the same way at their monster truck prayer rallies whereas the evangelicals do more of an arena thing

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  287. Hey EPWJ,

    Why don’t you go somewhere that your presence would be highly welcomed?

    May I suggest your local insane assylum?
    😆

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)


  288. EPWJ,

    I am honestly surprised you attacked Palin on this particularly execrable claim.

    It’s beneath you, and really anyone who isn’t Perez Hilton.

    Comment by Dustin — 9/19/2011 @ 8:59 am


    I’m not. Extreme Panty Waist Jerk is not certain of anything as much as he is that he hates him some Sarah Palin. And every time her name comes up on this site, he proves it. He and happyfeet are tag-team partners, if not two personalities (neither of which uses capital letters properly) inhabiting the same cramped brain.

    L.N. Smithee (c30832)

  289. Crappyfeet do the world a favor and shut up with your anti-catholic bigotry.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  290. “AirForce One is not a corporate jet and has no carbon footprint” Obama-2012

    elissa (eb1e16)

  291. “I Need Your Love” Obama- 2012

    elissa (eb1e16)

  292. Obama 2012-My attacks on the rich are not class warfare.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  293. “Give it to me one more time” Obama-2012

    elissa (eb1e16)

  294. Obama 2012-If you love meh you would vote for meh.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  295. Michelle Obama to Barack Obama-If you don’t endorse my nanny state obesity plan i will turn yo upper lip into a hat.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  296. Campaign poster of Trumka and Obama arm in arm.
    “The answer my friend is blowin’…” Obama-2012

    elissa (eb1e16)

  297. “Mommy, no! I swear I didn’t touch Solyndra” Obama- 2012

    elissa (eb1e16)

  298. “BlaME nANCY. I had NO idea what was in the bill until after it passed” Omama-2012

    elissa (eb1e16)

  299. B-but we need to recycle or else baby obama gets sad-Obama anytime

    DohBiden (d54602)

  300. Crappyfeet your use of the word hootchie is vile.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  301. I’m wondering how creepy panty sniffer EPWJ will react when the rumors of Rick Perry being gay are proven true.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  302. gayer than a dozen naked putins going for synchronized swimming gold

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  303. daleyrocks has a point.

    BY EPWJ’s standards of evidence, Perry is a flaming homo. Probably listens to Lady Gaga and everything.

    Why did Perry choose to make that public? By EPWJ standards.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  304. Perry is not gay.

    And if he were he would be accused of self-hatred and having a one night stand with Arnold Schwartzenegger.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  305. “If You Don’t Know Me By Now”: Obama-2012

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  306. “Unce… Tice… Fee Tines a Mady” – Obama 2012

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  307. “Standing On The Verge Of Getting It On” – Obama 2012

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  308. “Gangster Gubmint” – 0bama 2012

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  309. “Stone In Love With Me” – 0bama 2012

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  310. “Loose Booty” – 0bama 2012

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  311. “Hey Y’all Prepare Yourself” – 0bama 2012

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  312. “Don’t Let The Smile Fool Ya… He’s Not a Simple Man” – Perry 2012

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  313. Colonel arrives to
    help! O’s problem just one of
    communications

    elissa (cb869f)

  314. Pee Wee elicits the image of a corgi humping the Queen’s leg.

    Disgusting little critter.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  315. Palin did not abort her down syndrome baby so ergo she is a traitor the obots.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  316. Obama 20+12: That’s Math!

    MayBee (081489)

  317. “The buck stops somewhere else” Obama 2012

    elissa (cb869f)

  318. Obama 2012: LOL!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  319. _______________________________________________

    when the rumors of Rick Perry being gay are proven true.

    All this in-fighting about Palin vs Perry, or Perry vs Romney, or Romney vs Bachmann, etc — goes right over my head, because — per the quip by Ann Coulter to Sean Hannity not too long ago — even if Charlie Sheehan is the candidate running against Obama in 2012, I’ll be voting for Sheehan.

    Looks like Republicans with libertarian/liberal socio-cultural instincts — or desperate to smear their opponents no matter what — are out for blood.

    Just about any Republican, or person in general, won’t see eye-to-eye on certain issues, so I don’t expect perfection in whichever candidate runs against Obama next year. I just want Jeremiah Wright’s pal out of the White House, period.

    businessinsider.com, August 2011:

    A supporter of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has taken out an ad seeking anyone who has had sex with Texas Gov. Rick Perry. The ad, which ran in this week’s edition of the Austin Chronicle, asks: “Are you a stripper, an escort, or just a ‘young hottie’ impressed by an arrogant, entitled governor of Texas?”

    The advertisement, which comes just a few days after Perry announced his presidential candidacy, was paid for by Robert Morrow, an Austin-based Paul supporter and three-time delegate to the Texas state Republican convention.

    Rumors about Perry’s sexual orientation and alleged adultery have been circulating in Austin for several years, although there is absolutely no evidence that he has had extramarital affairs. The original source of the rumors are not clear.

    Perry, who has been married to his former high-school sweetheart Anita since 1982. He told the Austin American-Statesman in 2004 that the rumors were part of a “smear campaign” and “are not correct in any shape, form or fashion. These are irresponsible. They’re salacious.”

    Morrow, who claims to know several strippers and escorts in Austin who have stories about the Texas governor, has been circulating articles online and sending essays to reporters (including this one) about Perry’s alleged behavior. He said he has also heard from men who have substantiated rumors that the governor has relationships with gay men. Austin’s gay community, Morrow added, is angry about Perry’s “hypocritical” association with anti-homosexual evangelical leaders who organized Perry’s “The Response” prayer rally earlier this month.


    Rollingstone.com, Sept 2011: In 2008, even as candidate Barack Obama was committing to repeal Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Perry was writing a book in which he suggested that the military’s tortured stance on homosexuality ought to be a model for American society.

    The book, On My Honor, is a (tedious) history of the Boy Scouts and the legal challenges the organization has faced — in particular from “the radical homosexual movement” that Perry rails against for trying to “throw their sexual activity into the face of society.”

    I’d vote for a gay or bisexual politician who was truly (emphasizing “truly”) socially and economically conservative than a straight dude who thinks and acts like, say, John Kerry, Al Gore or President “Goddamn America.”

    I like this forum because it makes me do some homework about various people and issues. Perry has just become more down-to-earth and admirable in my eyes.

    Mark (411533)

  320. Obama 2012 ZOMFGWTFBBQKthxby

    JD (318f81)

  321. Obama 2012-I had a one night stand with Mitt Romney.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  322. Obama 2012-The blunt stops here.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  323. ==Obama 2012 ZOMFGWTFBBQKthxby==

    JD-Did your forehead just hit the keyboard? Or are you posting from a smart phone while riding your bike downhill and hit a bump, again?

    elissa (cb869f)

  324. “The grass only looks greener on the other side”. Obama -2012

    elissa (cb869f)

  325. JD will assure you, elissa, that his bike rides are quite vigorous due to his route being uphill in both directions, especially when the snow-drifts are in place.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (3c2b69)

  326. 331. “All this in-fighting .. goes right over my head, .. even if Charlie Sheehan is the [nominee] running against Obama in 2012, I’ll be voting for Sheehan.”

    No offense, Pilgrim, but I can do better than make my mark–I can spell from memory.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  327. Sheen is a drugged up 9/11 denialist, apparently along with Alec Baldwin,

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  328. I can spell from memory.

    LOL. My bad. I believe Charlie Sheehan is a long-lost cousin of the guy who once starred on a TV show I’ve never watched.

    Mark (411533)

  329. The 9/11 part, I assume Baldwin is not drinking usually.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  330. Elissa – Zoinks. Oh my god what the f@ck BBQ okay, thanks. Bye.

    AD – wind in my face too

    JD (318f81)

  331. Did JD smash his head against his bike?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  332. Charlie Sheen is a prime example of duh……losing.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  333. 340. “My bad.”

    To say nothing of voting Romney Nov. 2012 because you count 210 electoral votes in Oct. polling.

    You need 270.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  334. Did John Mccain defend this woman?

    Leftys like to portray opponents of illegal immigration as racist.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  335. Obama 2012: This is what a failed president looks like.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  336. Obama 2012: Full Retard Like My Supporters

    [note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  337. EPWJ 2012 – My Life as a piece of drooling steamed asparagus.

    JD (318f81)

  338. Um daley what the hell?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  339. Perry is backing away from the Social Security is a Ponzi scheme? who woulda thunk it!

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  340. Do you really want to go there, Col. You think you can out demagogue the left on this issue?

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  341. Romney fans passive aggressively try to rephrase Perry’s position for the 99th time? Who woulda thunk it?

    Sorry, that won’t magically make Romney a successful governor. He’s only palatable to me and so many others if he’s the only electable alternative to Obama. Dude got his ass kicked by John Mccain.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  342. It really is like they have no memory of what happened in ’94, when no matter how far he tried to walk away from Reagan, the Kennedy clique branded
    him.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  343. After all, Romney fans are only saying this to try to ‘enhance’ the truth on Romney’s own flip flop on social security. One day he’s talking about imprisoning congressmen for how they managed SS, and the next he’s whining about ‘scary’ honesty about the same issue.

    It’s not like Romney fans are actually rejecting Perry for flip flopping on the issue Romney actually flip flopped on. They just hope to make Perry unelectable via scaring the hell out of people to think Perry will abolish SS, and if he doesn’t, they pretend that’s a walk back rather than another embarrassment for the Romney camp.

    We really can do better than that. Romney’s agenda is very good these days. It happens to mirror, in most respects, Perry’s actual record. I know Romney’s been running for president for an awful long time, but the fact is we’ve got two guys selling a similar agenda, and only one of them actually governed that way.

    All the riff raff issues one can create won’t change it. It is good,anyway, as Perry has to continue to show he can overcome that crap. It’s ultimately healthy, if a bit embarrasing.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  344. Whoops… my mistake. I didn’t spend enough time reading about it and came away with the wrong interpretation.

    Here’s an olive branch…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xrNaTO1bI

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  345. Hey… nice tag team action… which one of ya is playin’ the Freddie Blassie part?

    ColonelHaiku (87d081)

  346. Has epwj apologized for his lies and smears yet?

    JD (318f81)

  347. No, specially after I showed the bottomless well from whence that speculation came from.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  348. Please stop calling the lefty liberals…………..liberals. call them anti-liberal.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  349. You can return to your regularly scheduled epwj slam fest but I found this comment hilarious

    OT, but Brett Baier just reported that the Canadian government has agreed to pay a consulting firm 90K a day to advise them on how to save money…I don’t know where to begin.

    predator on September 20, 2011 at 6:34 PM

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  350. :roll: And this has what to do with Palin?

    Oh I get it she ordered her goon squad to break their legs if they didn’t do it right?

    :roll:

    DohBiden (d54602)

  351. Here’s an olive branch…

    LOL

    No, really, I’m not invested in Perry personally. I wanted Mitch Daniels for prez, and he’s downright drab. My remarks about Romney predate my view that Perry is a contender by several years.

    I just want someone who is electable and honestly conservative.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  352. Palin is libertarian in regards to gay marriage.

    She isn’t social conservative supreme like Rick Santorum.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  353. Yes, the dominionism card that Max Blumenthal first played, really had no sign in her more than a dozen years in office,

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  354. Palin is not a conservative says the people who think Flip Flopney is the granddaddy of conservatism.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  355. Gotta love the left who curses Mccarthy and then uses his tactics to demean the anti-communists.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  356. LGF to spin this about racism.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  357. Mitch is the word is the word is the word that you heard he’s got groove he’s got feelin’

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  358. Obama believes marriage should be between one man and one women and he is no conservative.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  359. Where on earth is the smoke-filled room when you need it?

    The GOP has to be made to understand that Obama MUST be defeated, n’importe quoi, the future of the republic is at stake. So it’s time to stop the peckingfest, stat.

    Therefore certain grim men in the smoke-filled room need to have That Talk with Bachmann, Paul, Gingrich, and Cain. (Huntsman wouldn’t even understand the conversation.)

    It’s over, pull out, stop the attacks and Get Onside. Unless Christie or Ryan jumps in at the last second or Thad McCotter finds a way to make a splash (I like the guy but it seems unlikely) then it’s either Perry/Romney or Romney/Perry. They need to join forces, choreograph their good cop bad cop routine, and telegraph to the public with a wink that it doesn’t really matter which one they pick, the important thing is that the whole team is playing AS a team, and Obama is headed out the door.

    I don’t get what’s up with this divisive squawking. Eyes on the prize, people.

    d. in c. (68ff46)

  360. Che was a homophobe and was no conservative either.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  361. d in c, I don’t see why Perry would want Romney to be his VP or what that brings to the ticket.

    He’s next in line, because he ran in 2008, but he is a tax and spend liberal.

    I agree the point here is to beat Obama, but it’s certainly better to do that with a good ticket.

    The divisive squawking is a good thing. It’s healthy for Haiku to bash Perry and for me to bash Romney. The nominee we pick has to be able to withstand this if he’s to have any chance of weathering what the left will have in store.

    I know a lot of people see the VP role as a consolation prize to reunify the party, but I don’t think most Romney supporters need Romney. They just want to win the election, and will vote for Perry (just as I’d vote for Romney if it came down do it, which it probably won’t).

    We’ve got plenty of time. No need to announce to the democrats who our nominee is this early. This election is primarily about Obama, and they don’t need a head start changing the subject.

    I can’t just shut down my patriotism here. I want this country to have a leader who isn’t shamelessly changing his opinions and views depending on what works for him.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  362. “We’ve got plenty of time.”

    Dustin – Exactly why I can’t get too excited right now unless creepy panty sniffing liars start telling lies about the candidates or potential candidates or something.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  363. Just checking in. Is EPWJ still acting Iike the biggest piece of crap that ever crapped a crap?

    Yes, he is?

    Carry on.

    Icy Texan (bb9e66)

  364. When will you marry your progressive muslim allys EPWJ?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  365. Nazism was left-wing.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  366. The left uses Mccarthyesque tactics against the right but yet whine about how Mccarthy slandered them as communists.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  367. Sorry for my off-topic rants.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  368. From: Joe McGinniss
    To: Jesse Griffin
    Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:15 PM
    Subject: I have to ask you for help

    Jesse–

    Legal review of my manuscript is underway and here’s my problem: no one has ever offered documentation of any of the lurid stories about the Palins. Shailey Tripp is the latest example.

    APD and Sarah have denied that Todd had any involvement with her. To my knowledge, no one has provided any evidence that he did. TheEnquirer cites AlaskaWTF, which in turn cites the Enquirer: what good is that? I’m also told that the Enquirer is preparing to back off this story and save face by denouncing Ms. Tripp as an unreliable source who promised documentation she couldn’t provide.

    She may be mentally unstable and prone to fabrication, delusion, or both. Her joint may be called Blue Hands Massage (brrrrr!), but she’s no Monica Lewinsky with a blue dress with a semen stain, that’s for sure.

    Do you believe that Todd paid her for sex? If so, why do you believe that, other than that you wish it were true?

    A lurid, sensational, defamatory story about Todd, based only on the account of a woman charged with prostitution, who is no doubt desperate for money, and who sold her story to the Enquirer, is a gift from heaven for Sarah.

    Jesse, you can ridicule Sarah for calling in to the execrable Bob & Mark, but the fact is that as far as this story goes, there’s no there there. And rumors about what might come in weeks ahead are not facts. In fact, they’re garbage.

    I’ve neither seen nor heard anything that indicates that Ms. Tripp’s story has any basis in fact. None of the endless crap Patrick posted about her before getting the boot from palingates.com offers any substantiation.

    And even you write frequently that you know things you can’t yet post, but that soon “all will be revealed.” This has been going on since I first became aware of your blog, but as far as I know you haven’t substantiated a single claim or provided verification for a single rumor that you’ve posted about Sarah’s personal life, or the personal lives of any Palin family members. Thus, she gets to denounce what she calls “lies.”

    Neither from you, the Enquirer, AlaskaWTF, palingates.com or anyone else, have I seen a credible, identified source backing any of the salacious stories about the Palin family.

    Thus–as Random House lawyers are already pointing out to me–nothing I can cite other than my own reporting rises above the level of tawdry gossip. The proof is always just around the corner, but that’s a corner nobody has been able to turn. Maybe Jeff Dunn has, in which case I’ll be the first to congratulate him. But frankly, at this point, I’m tired of it, and I’ve run out of time.

    No one has ever provided factual evidence that:

    a) Todd had sex with a hooker, or with anyone else outside his marriage.

    b) Sarah had an affair with Brad Hanson, or anyone else.

    c) Track was a druggie who enlisted in the army to avoid a jail term. Or that he vandalized Wasilla school buses.

    d) Willow was involved in the vandalism of the empty house in Meadow Lakes. Or that Sarah rushed back from Hawaii to put the lid on that.

    e) Trig is not Sarah’s natural born child.

    f) Bristol was promiscuous as a high schooler and drank and used drugs, or became pregnant again after Tripp’s birth.

    Jesse, you were going on and on about Bristol being pregnant while doing Dancing With The Stars. And, if I recall correctly, at the time of her brief glossy-magazine-payday “reunion” with Levi, you surmised that she was pregnant by Ben Barber, or at least by someone who wasn’t Levi. You’ve recently suggested she’s had an abortion, publishing photographs that show her chubby then and thin now. But doesn’t that seem a little “thin” to you, based on nothing besides magazine pictures?

    So much has bubbled at the salacious rumor stage for more than two years, but no one has been able to take even one story further.

    Jesse, if you can put me in touch with people who are willing and able to substantiate any of the above, now is the time to do so. Otherwise, I hope you won’t complain that there are no startling new revelations in my book. My publisher and I think it’s damning enough without airing the family’s dirty laundry, but because Sarah’s hypocrisy about her family is one of the things that galls me most, I’d like to be able to publish facts in regard to a) through f) above, but I emphasize facts.

    Not malicious speculation or third-hand rumors relayed by those who hold a grudge.

    For any or all of those who’ve told you they’ll speak out, but not yet, now is the time. My book represents the last best chance to put the truth about Sarah in front of the American people in a documented, verifiable way. But I need facts that I can rely on. I didn’t live this long and work this hard over so many decades to wind up as AlaskaWTF between hard covers.

    as always, and looking forward to seeing you in spring or summer,
    Joe

    Link

    Joe knew he was lying. Eric knew it too.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  369. Yep, hoax. And an actionable one. Palin’s got an interesting decision to make regarding a defamation suit. Since we see “malice” in the above.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  370. The guy actually notes his source is prone to fabrication. He actually calls this stuff malicious speculation.

    SPQR, Palin has a tough decision, as with much evil in our media, suing Joe will actually help him in some ways.

    I think she should sue anyway. I also think she should sue Eric Johnson. No kidding.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  371. Dustin

    She should sue, if it isnt true – I said that early in my comments also Glenn Rice isnt helping with his comments

    There are literally thousands of rumors about the women, many spread by the actions and the Palins themselves.

    But I’m not the one spreading the rumors – just commentating on the public conversation of them

    In her lawsuit though – she’s going to have to disclose that they aren’t true though

    thats another problem

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  372. If she does not sue, it proves the lies are true.

    JD (0b8a2b)

  373. You know whats funny is when I said she should have sued the cretin Levy johnson and everybody here thought I was an idiot

    I still think she should sue the jackass

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  374. Well you know how it works, JD, dunk her, if she lives, she’s a witch, if she drowns, she’s innocent.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  375. Bla bla bla, Eric. I hope you face justice, but I realize you are just one of many ankle biting malicious psychos on the internet. Palin can’t possibly sue them all.

    Your behavior is partially borne of your apparent mental problems and perversion, but mostly it’s because you have a political beef with Palin’s agenda, and you think that justifies smearing her.

    You don’t like fairness and justice. You are a intolerant of political reform. Simple as that.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  376. She should sue, if it isnt true

    And this is stupid.

    Everyone can see now that it isn’t true. Just read the email from Joe himself. It’s “malicious speculation” from a “fabricator” with no “evidence”.

    You lose, Eric.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  377. You are well and truly the dummest person innertubes, epwj. all your lies, smears, innuendo, and accusations, and not even one iota of evidence. You literally just make stuff up.

    JD (17012e)

  378. Actually McGuinness’s source, qualifies for that honor,

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  379. Sometimes it’s fun just to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.

    It’s kind of hard on the wall though.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  380. JD

    Some would see it that way, however,

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040110/Todd-Palin-file-divorce-advisers-tell-Sarah-White-House-dream-over.html?ITO=1490
    I hope this isnt true but here is a place she should start suing – if it isnt true

    Note that FAMILY members in this article are the one’s supplying the information

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  381. the Coach wont talk about it but said this

    Frieder apparently did say that he had dozens of other stories that could top that one

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  382. Elissa’s right. Eric is a spammer.

    Interesting that he was here within minutes. It’s like he’s got nothing in his life other than spamming lies about Sarah Palin.

    The National Enquirer claims that friends close to the politician and her husband

    That’s the source in Eric’s link. That’s all he’s got. After it’s proven there is no evidence and there are people fabricating claims, that’s all he’s got.

    And apparently Palin has to sue these unnamed friends, or somehow that’s evidence against her?

    That Palin is opposed by Eric is a powerful reason to support Sarah Palin, which you can do by buying one of her books or contributing to her PAC.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  383. Oh, and Eric is now saying there are dozens of other stories that can ‘top this one’, but of course, those don’t have any evidence either.

    Of course the liars can tell a dozen worse lies if this one doesn’t work.

    Eric actually thinks this helps his case?

    What a psycho pervert.

    Does anyone know if this person is really named Eric Johnson? If I were a psycho like that, I’d probably pick the name of someone I hated to smear two birds with one stone.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  384. EPJW once banged the entire Michigan Fab Five starting lineup in a charro corral while wearing nothing but those water shoes that have toes in them and singing Guadajara in a Ted Kennedy voice.

    It’s on the internet, so it must be true.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  385. Note that FAMILY members in this article are the one’s supplying the information

    Comment by EricPWJohnson

    ALLCAPS MEANS IT’S TRUE EVEN THOUGH ERIC CANNOT NAME THE FAMILY MEMBER “SUPPLYING THE INFORMATION” BECAUSE THAT WAS A LIE!

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  386. He’s gone totally ‘Troy McClure’ except for the thing with the fish.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  387. Carlitos – if he does not sue you, now, then what you stated is true.

    JD (cae88c)

  388. 373. WaPo June 20, 2011: “Gallup says 22% of Americans say they will not support their party’s candidate if they are Mormon.”

    Your smoke filled room needs grey matter.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  389. Obama was born in Kenya.

    We know this because he never sued that O’RLY lawyer.

    Bush personally ‘pulled’ WTC 7.

    We know this because he never sued … those people.

    Jews in Iran number in the trillions. We know this because they didn’t sue Eric for his jew counting exercises.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  390. I think that Gallup misspelled “moron”

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  391. “Gallup says 22% of Americans say they will not support their party’s candidate if they are Mormon.

    Thankfully, it’s Gallup. I think they are flaky about oddball questions like that.

    But if this is true, that’s sad in my opinion. Nothing about the mainstream Mormon faith that contradicts loyalty, family, service, patriotism. Mormons are good people.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  392. ” Nothing about the mainstream Mormon faith that contradicts loyalty, family, service, patriotism.”

    I won’t vote for humanists either.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  393. I won’t choose Romney over someone who is more trustworthy or, to my view, conservative, but to reject him because he’s mormon seems to miss the point.

    I guess Gary probably raises an issue that would come in in the general election, given how nasty democrats can be. But they’ll find a way to do it to anyone we nominate anyway, IMO.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  394. The only 2 groups that scored lower than Mormons (22%) in that Gallup poll were gays (32%) and atheists (49%). (some atheists call themselves humanists).

    It’s nice to live in a secular democracy.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  395. I still think she should sue the jackass
    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 9/22/2011 @ 11:01 am

    — Then you had better get a good lawyer, Eric, because with all of her “ill-gotten gains” you know that she will hire the best

    Icy Texan (8c83ef)

  396. I laugh at the South Park jokes about Mormons. I just don’t see what about them is bad instead of just amusing. Ideally, the president shares my views on 100% of things, and is thus a Christian with x,y,z interpretations. But is that really my priority for President? I really just want someone who will get spending under control and tell the truth.

    Reject Romney because he did not get spending under control, even in the easy boom years of his failed governorship, while grabbing guns from law abiding citizens and mandating health insurance to people who didn’t want to buy that. Or because his flip flops betray a lack of good faith.

    Not because he thinks Jesus appears in America.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  397. Dustin,

    Most mormons I know dont believe that Jesus really appeared in America they are mormon by family tradition (like Catholics) than by the belief in Jesus on the cattle trails

    Romney wouldnt last 5 minutes in the barrel like Perry’s been

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  398. She should sue, if it isnt true

    There are literally thousands of rumors about [Sarah Palin]

    — How many lawsuits should she file? “literally thousands”?
    Gee, and you wonder why people question your conservative bonafides.

    Icy Texan (8c83ef)

  399. It’s true that there are thousands of lies and debunked rumors about Palin. They stem from people who are furious she pulled the rug out from under the corrupt in Alaska.

    These people will stop at nothing. They want to send a message to the next honest governors and congressmen. Don’t F with us, or we will do it to you.

    This is why Palin’s fans really wish she could be vindicated in a national election. I personally prefer a different candidate because I have a larger priority than Palin getting a measure of justice, but I totally understand it.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  400. I was in Alaska visiting the slums of Juneau and there were like 300 million mormons there. All they wanted was small business loans to escape their mormon poverty, maybe start a falafel stand, but noooo….Sarah Palin’s sex life oppressive oil fees held them back.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  401. Most mormons I know dont believe that Jesus really appeared in America they are mormon by family tradition (like Catholics) than by the belief in Jesus on the cattle trails

    — That’s our Eric! He’s like a Swiss Army Knife . . .

    a multi-purpose tool.

    Icy Texan (8c83ef)

  402. I was at the Four Seasons Wasilla getting my pedicure from DCSCA and saw someone get an SMS indicating that Todd Palin is an ‘otter’.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  403. Romney wouldnt last 5 minutes in the barrel like Perry’s been

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 9/22/2011 @ 12:42 pm

    I don’t underestimate Romney. I don’t think he’s as electable as Perry, but that may be my personal bias. However, Romney is a formidable politician. There’s no denying it, even as I prefer the other guy.

    This time, the GOP has at least two skilled politicians with a conservative agenda and executive experience. This is great. If it’s Romney, I will be disappointed, but whatever.,

    I don’t care to debate what Mormons really think. It’s none of my freaking business.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  404. Dustin,

    It’s amazing how often I agree with your comments. Do you think it’s because we’re both Texans, or is there something about living in Texas that influences our opinions? I can see arguments for both.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  405. Everything is the wealthy and Palins fault.

    Hyperinflation is the fault of Palin and the wealthy

    Lack of jobs is the fault of the wealthy which means if your rich or a Palin you are to blame for unemployment.[Funny when people had jobs and taxes weren’t raised the left said nothing.]

    Poverty is the fault of the wealthy and Palin.

    I despise the left.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  406. It’s amazing how often I agree with your comments.
    Comment by DRJ — 9/22/2011 @ 1:01 pm

    Strange… I almost never agree with Dustin, but almost always agree with you. How is this possible? 😉

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  407. Wow. I’m flattered.

    I definitely think living in Texas has given me ideas I constantly compare to other systems, such as our nonstop federal legislature, or how many actually seek out the feds to solve so many things no matter what it’s going to cost… others.

    I also think there definitely is a culture here that sees justice as a real and attainable thing, and other parts of the country see justice as something to attempt despite it being largely hopeless. Or even because they are nihilist.

    Of course, Texas values are in abundance throughout flyover America, but Texas is wealthier and more conspicuous.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  408. Dustin and DRJ

    I’m going to mentally bookmark this moment when President Romney Vetos the repeal of the health care bill in his first term…

    :)

    EricPWJohnson (719277)

  409. EPWJ will blame the wealthy for unemployment and lay-offs.

    Never mind Obama is to blame.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  410. Note: Previous comment for humorous purposes only. No resemblance to actual opinions is implied. All rights reserved. Heat thoroughly before serving.

    Wait, that last one was for my Hot Pockets. Darn disclaimers.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  411. Romney won’t be president you Whore :roll:

    DohBiden (d54602)

  412. Rick Perry is rumored to be getting divorced after his affair with EPWJ.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  413. Comment by DRJ — 9/22/2011 @ 1:01 pm

    There’s something in the water/air, and the EPA is bound and determined to correct the situation – they need the space for the Re-Education Centers.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d32895)

  414. Comment by Dustin — 9/22/2011 @ 1:21 pm

    Okay, I rarely click links but I felt I owed you that one.

    We’re more than even.

    😉

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  415. AD,

    Fortunately my favorite Texas AG is suing the EPA, hopefully not in Sam Sparks’ court.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  416. Silly me. The lawsuit was filed in the 5th Circuit, presumably because it involves a state suing the U.S.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  417. Dustin – That link was special!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  418. Anyone taking legal advice from EPWJ is demonstrating a deficiency in judgement unrivaled on Earth.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  419. maybe start a falafel stand,

    Nice one.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  420. I was in Alaska visiting the slums of Juneau and there were like 300 million mormons there. All they wanted was small business loans to escape their mormon poverty, maybe start a falafel stand, but noooo….Sarah Palin’s sex life oppressive oil fees held them back.

    Comment by carlitos — 9/22/2011 @ 12:48 pm

    THREAD WINNER

    JD (10025c)

  421. Though it probably needs explaining for those who haven’t read her first book.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  422. Did epwj finally pass out, again?

    JD (10025c)

  423. Andrea MCleod, one of the serial filers of bogus ethics complaints, also owned a falafel stand,

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  424. It’s more than that. IIRC, her connection with Palin started because she’d applied for permission to open a falafel stand, and the city denied her application on the grounds that there was no demand for it, or some such silly reason, and Palin stood up for her. So she fell in love with Palin, and used to call her at home and talk at her for hours, until she found out that Palin was putting the phone down and doing other things and wasn’t really interested in every detail of her life; then the love turned into hate.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  425. I’m going to mentally bookmark this moment when President Romney Vetos the repeal of the health care bill in his first term…

    — I swear, it’s like he thinks that we are challenging him to say something even stupider . . . so he does.

    Icy Texan (8c83ef)

  426. Considering Breitbart’s explosive new story at BigGovernment it looks like EWPJ and Joe McGinniss have ridden off into the sunset a cliff upon their trusty horse named Random House.

    http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/09/22/explosive-email-shows-anti-palin-author-mcginniss-random-house-likely-published-literary-hoax/

    elissa (250b6b)

  427. Racial profiling isn’t always good.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  428. Profiling is though.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  429. No it is not a shocker.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  430. Joe McGinniss’ defenestration couldn’t happen to a “nicer” guy, or at a better time in his life.
    It will be even better when he has to take a loss on the sale of that house in Wasilla (if he bought, instead of rented – if he was a renter the poor landlord will have one humongous fumigation bill).

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d32895)

  431. O/T-Animals should only be killed if they can’t be relocated after killing someone or if it is in self-defense.

    DohBiden (d54602)


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