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9/12/2011

There is No Debate Among Republicans: Paul Krugman is a Tool (An Open Thread)

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 5:04 pm

[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

Consider this an open thread on to topics:

1)      The Republican debate.

2)      What a complete and utter tool Paul Krugman is.

For more on the former advisor for Enron’s toolishness, read here.

By the way, in semi-related news, we had dueling endorsements today, with Bobby Jindal endorsing Perry, and Pawlenty endddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

Oh, sorry, I fell asleep at my keyboard at the mention of Tim Pawwwwwwwwwwwww

Joking aside, I will truly say I never got the endorsement thing.  I have literally never in my life considered my vote the property of anyone else, never once thought that my support was something someone else could give to a different candidate.  And I really can’t relate to anyone who does think that way.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

230 Responses to “There is No Debate Among Republicans: Paul Krugman is a Tool (An Open Thread)”

  1. Krugman is mentally ill. That is about all on that one.

    S. Carter aka J-Z (8d652e)

  2. Pawly had 500,000 reasons to endorse Romney

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  3. ^ I’d endorse Romney for … $250.00.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  4. Krugmans head is so far up obamas butt it goes poop poop poop.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  5. Dustin

    i have integrity. i will not endorse romney… for less than a cool million dollars.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  6. Aaron

    If Obama gets his stimulus

    your million may just be worth 250

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  7. BTW Romney just ended his career in the first 3 minutes

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  8. John Huntsman’s on Mitt’s side.

    hahahahahahahaha

    Ya have to know Mitt’s a little sore about that. Mitt’s whole ‘don’t scare them with the truth’ is just silly. The audience is clearly hoping to hear Perry really nail Mitt on this. Any little hint of a barb from him leads to cheers, too.

    This is a serious damn issue. It’s also a major problem worth truth that should frighten folks a little bit.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  9. Which is it, Gov. Perry?… a Ponzi scheme that the federal government has no business administering? Or a worthwhile program that needs to be reformed?

    the Stoat Candidacy…

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  10. BTW Romney just ended his career in the first 3 minutes

    Comment by EricPWJohnson

    He should have emphasized common ground on entitlement reform. Now, when Mitt attacks Perry on immigration issues he will just look testy.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  11. The dude with the funny sideburns has got some love for the Texan.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  12. Dustin… so it’s okay by you that Perry attacks Romney but Perry if off limits?

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  13. if is

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  14. a Ponzi scheme that the federal government has no business administering? Or a worthwhile program that needs to be reformed?

    the Stoat Candidacy…

    Comment by ColonelHaiku

    Both. It’s a major mistake, and it was a major mistake for the past many years, screwing over the future.

    But as a matter of necessity and fairness, we’ve got to find a way to make it sustainable. Obviously we can’t just eliminate it.

    I can respect someone who does advocate abolition, but I agree with Rick Perry that fixing social security is a more plausible direction to take.

    There is no denying that the program is a massive disaster. Mitt Romney was right to compare it to a crime, and I really wish he had realized this is too damn serious an issue to play democrat scare tactics on. Granny has no reason to be scared of Perry’s honesty about this Ponzi scheme.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  15. Dustin

    He wasnt really in this race and he just ended it when Oerry called him out on his flip flop in his book

    Perry is making the stand – this is me vote or not vote

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  16. Romney is now talking reform reform

    He has no clue

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  17. I’ll say it again… if people think that saying SS should be ended, because it’s a Ponzi scheme that the federal government has no business running is a winning strategy, just give this election to the Democrats, cuz that dog don’t hunt. That is why Perry flip-flopped with his column in USA Today.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  18. Dustin… so it’s okay by you that Perry attacks Romney but Perry if off limits?

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/12/2011 @ 5:26 pm

    Actually, if you reread my comment, I noted one area Romney could attack Perry on. I just think some attacks are better than others. Using scare tactics to demagogue people into voting against entitlement reform is highly annoying. But E-Verify or a few others issues can be debated in a way that produces a much better agenda.

    I do think it was interesting that the crowd clearly is sour with Romney. I have no idea if one campaign may have played a clever trick there. It’s just clear they really want to hear Romney attacked. I do think Perry had no choice but to note that Romney is just trying to scare seniors. That’s true, and it’s the best way to underline that Perry won’t take their social security.

    Anyway, Romney really is too good a candidate for this. I think his entire social security flip flop (and that is EXACTLY what this is) is a terrible tactical mistake borne of short term thinking. Find better ground to distinguish himself.

    Perry’s got little private sector experience, Romney is a rock star on that ground. He should have opened on that question apologizing to Perry for focusing on rhetoric, and thanking him for honesty, and saying ‘I don’t care what you call it, it’s a huge problem, and we both agree that it must be fixed’. That would have been presidential.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  19. And it looks like that so-called genius Paul Krugman doubled down:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/more-about-the-911-anniversary/

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  20. What is it that Einstein said about the definition of insanity, again?

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  21. Romney didn’t think one step, ahead, either that or he forgot whoever wrote that part about ‘Social Security being run as a Criminal Enterprise’

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  22. You know it… colonel knows it… and the American people know it.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  23. Col

    i will point out that perry is doing well among seniors, though. so there is that.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  24. what is the actual quote, Ian. Or would it even matter to you?

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  25. That is why Perry flip-flopped with his column in USA Today.

    He didn’t flip flop, which is why most folks summarized that article as ‘Perry sticks to his guns’. I noticed Wolfe Blitzer pretended Pery flip flopper, but Perry just rejected that in front of your eyes.

    He notes that SS is a Ponzi Scheme, a huge problem, and was made faulty from inception. You just saw him say that. Why replace Perry’s views with the Romney campaign’s serial misquoting of his views?

    It’s bad and needs fixing, and this is a mainstream GOP position. It was Romney’s position right up until the moment he decided there was something terrible about comparing social security to a crime (there’s your flip flop).

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  26. and Romney ain’t doing so bad either, Aaron. Look, if Perry is the nominee, I can and will support him. But think twice when your opinions line up with Eric “PeeWee” Johnson.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  27. What’s the actual quote, Dustin?

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  28. sorry about the typos.

    I noticed Wolfe Blitzer pretended Pery flip flopper

    I was trying to say I noticed Wolfe injected the notion Perry was flip flopping as well, by summarizing the same view in two different ways, and asking ‘why the change’?

    But there never was a change. If you watch the last debate, or this one, Perry is saying the same thing. He wants to fix Social Security into something that is not a ponzi scheme. Not for current beneficiaries, but future ones.

    And Aaron’s right. Seniors really like Perry’s position on this. The idea this makes Perry unelectable is incorrect. In fact, I think Mitt acting like John Flip Floppin’ Kerry might be a bigger problem.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  29. RINO celebu-bot Huckabee endorses Romney today while Bobby Jindal endorses Perry.

    In the battle of endorsements, thats a lopsided & substantial victory for Perry, imo.

    mike d (6fc89b)

  30. col

    I think the only thing that could stop me from voting for romney if he is the nominee, is if he rips his face off revealing he is actually obama.

    but personally i would like to vote for a republican who didn’t require anyone to buy health insurance, whom i could trust to repeal obamacare if the Surpremes don’t handle this for us.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  31. It’s a crowd comprised of the folks who follow the dude with the funny sideburns and the Tea Party Express. He’s made it plain he doesn’t care for Romney.

    It will be a long process, so enjoy it while you can.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  32. Krugman and Yelverton are incestuous demonic midget cousins what bugger goats, non-consensually.

    JD (0b8a2b)

  33. and Romney ain’t doing so bad either, Aaron. Look, if Perry is the nominee, I can and will support him. But think twice when your opinions line up with Eric “PeeWee” Johnson.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku

    Both Perry and Romney are huge upgrades over Obama. Both are intelligent men with a very similar agenda. I just know one has walked the walk a lot. One has a record of tax and spending increases in a boom, the other of spending cuts and handling downturns fairly well.

    I definitely prefer Perry, and I don’t see EPWJ’s comments as any kind of problem.

    And I do think Romney’s polls are interesting. He lost a lot of support very quickly. His supporters seemed itchy for another option.

    Romney is highly electable. But I really like Perry’s simple argument. I think he’s got a more plausible case.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  34. ask those seniors what they think about Perry’s unabashed support of in-state tuition for illegal immigrants.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  35. Newt is going to be someone’s VP

    Bachmann is being totally marginalized

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  36. CH

    And Perry has no problem with is support of that

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  37. One had one of the two bluest states in the nation and the other had Texas.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  38. Newt is going to be the “VP” of the corner convenience store maybe.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  39. Once your an alcoholic lefty………….you usually stay as an alcoholic.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  40. I think the only thing that could stop me from voting for romney if he is the nominee, is if he rips his face off revealing he is actually obama.

    LOL.

    Yeah, Obama’s gotta go. Period.

    But that’s a bit of a cop out. This isn’t the general election. Perry and Romney both appear to be highly electable. We can set that argument aside unless talking about Cain (Who I think is sounding great tonight, albeit sometimes he’s not quite as on the ball) or Bachmann.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  41. Col Hai

    Can you mention one thing Romney did or said as Gov about illegal immigration?

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  42. One had one of the two bluest states in the nation and the other had Texas.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/12/2011 @ 5:41 pm

    Right. One was electable in MA, and the other was electable in TX.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  43. EPWJ is anti-Perry? Oh, that might put me over the fence for Perry then.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  44. I really love how clear Romney is when he rails against Obama.

    He just sounds great with this checklist. He’s done that a few times, and it’s always highly effective.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  45. Anyone wanna lay odds on Newt being the VP candidate?

    JD (cae88c)

  46. I guess the idea behind the “endorsement thing” is that you’ve figured out you like candidate A, and he decides not to run. But he’s assuring you that candidate B is a reasonable substitute. Problem is,

    1. If it were true, you’d probably have figured it out yourself.

    2. It’s probably not true.

    Brett Bellmore (6652c2)

  47. SPQR

    he’s doing well, very well, the more he is on stage the stronger he gets.

    Romney is just railing on and on about thing he has no intention of doing or even addressing

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  48. So were Weld and Cellucci, yet Mitt was the only one
    that went for MassCare

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  49. SPQR

    No I’m for Perry

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  50. Aaron, it should be a states’ issue and people should have insurance, or not be treated at health facilities.

    Look the whole thing would have been a moot point if the worthless Republican Congressional majority had actually done something positive about healthcare – like push for all of the market-based remedies they are so fond of touting now – before they had their azzes handed to them in November of 2006.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  51. Yeah but when you find something about Perry you hate you’ll throw him under the bus.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  52. What’s the quote, Ian.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  53. Doh

    Nope

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  54. An endorsement is a recommendation. Do you really never take advice from people whose opinion you respect? Do you never think “well, if this author or editor whose taste mirrors mine thinks I’ll enjoy this book, I’ll give it a try”? Or “if this athlete thinks this is a good shoe (and he hasn’t been paid to say that) then it’s probably good”? Or even “I never paid much attention to this candidate, and I heard some bad things about him, but if Patterico thinks he’s worth supporting then I should rethink that”?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  55. What’s the quote, Ian.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku

    Romney: “I’m not trying to return to Reagan”.

    I know that’s not what you mean.

    “Let’s look at what would happen if someone in the private sector did a similar thing. Suppose two grandparents created a trust fund, appointed a bank as trustee, and instructed the bank to invest the proceeds of the trust fund so as to provide for their grandchildren’s education. Suppose further that the bank used the proceeds for its own purposes, so that when the grandchildren turned eighteen, there was no money for them to go to college. What would happen to the bankers responsible for misusing the money? They would go to jail. But what has happened to the people responsible for the looming bankruptcy of Social Security? They keep returning to Congress every two years.”

    Romney talks about throwing congress in prison. But it’s not really a crime! Extremism Extremism!

    I’m sure there’s some semantic loophole to explain how Romney can talk like this about our nation’s social security policy, and then condemn Perry’s factual Ponzi Scheme comparison, but it sure seems like a flip flop to me.

    I just don’t get it. Romney probably is nodding his head when Perry talks about this, just doing so internally. He can find a different way to distinguish them. Entitlement reform being a third rail of politics is a bad thing, and those who make it hard to be direct on the issue was really not doing the country any favors.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  56. Do you really never take advice from people whose opinion you respect?

    Well, it’s kinda like the guy who went on and on about how Romney lacks the ability to repeal Obamacare, and how critical it is that we do, then saying ‘hey, he’s not so bad because he gave me a lot of money’.

    Strike the kinda.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  57. Oh, come on!

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  58. Oh, come on!

    Comment by ColonelHaiku

    Hey, I’m actually trying to say positive stuff about Romney too. You asked for Romney quotes. I sell them by the pair, which is highly hazardous for flippers.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  59. So you think that quote supports the points that you and Ian have been making?

    No sale.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  60. BTW, I think Romney was right in the latter quote. I suspect he would disagree with his former one, which is his right.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  61. Romney and Bachmann have both melted down so spectacularly in recent days I don’t really see the point in watching a debate. There’s only one candidate what I would bother to vote for. The least embarrassingly douchey one. And that’s easily Mr. Governor Perry in spite of his low-rent religiosity.

    Done and done.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  62. Romney supporters accusing others of being the least intelligent…………………my irony meter went kaboom.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  63. ask those seniors what they think about Perry’s unabashed support of in-state tuition for illegal immigrants.

    In-state tuition is not a discount, or a privilege given to local residents; it’s merely the absence of the surcharge levied against people from other states, who have not paid for the state university system with their taxes. All local residents, legal or not, pay the same taxes, so they’re funding the schools; why should they then be charged extra when they want to use them? Does the supermarket charge people extra just for being in the country illegally?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  64. So you think that quote supports the points that you and Ian have been making?

    No sale.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku —

    Ummm, absolutely? Because clearly it does?

    What’s Romney’s argument, exactly? Restate it for me, please.

    I think Romney’s argument is that Perry is right. What Perry is saying, that he wishes to reform social security for those in the next few generations not about to get benefits or currently doing so, so that it’s sustainable, is a worthy thing to do.

    But Romney thinks rhetoric that scares seniors is bad. Do we can’t say scary stuff. But Romney was talking about throwing the leg in prison, and the scary stuff Perry said was far milder ‘it’s a Ponzi Scheme’.

    My point: Romney is being a bit silly. He was perfectly willing to be direct as hell when it suited him.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  65. Someone please remind me why I don’t like Huntsman. I can’t remember.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  66. Um Romney is good in the sack?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  67. I mean, I know why I won’t vote for Paul, even though I agree with almost everything he says. We just had the tenth anniversary of the reason. But Huntsman seems so reasonable in the debates.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  68. Wow, Perry yet again sticks to his guns. Very direct. Not afraid of his POV, even though I think it upsets CNN a little bit.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  69. Um Romney is good in the sack?

    He’s got seven kids, so that’s probably a good bet.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  70. Awesome question from the redshirt guy, and they go to Huntsman to blunt its impact.

    Is that too cynical? Let Romney, Bachmann, Cain, and Perry have a debate.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  71. Paul wants a nuclear armed Iran rather more enthusiastically than normal people.

    Plus he’s a racist.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  72. Just listened to the difference in content of Perry’s and Romney’s comments about the fed. Perry does have the common touch. His comments were met with applause, much like the comment about treason was.

    Romney has the intelligence.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  73. and the other was electable in TX.

    Yes and so was Ron Paul.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  74. I sure wish they had asked all the candidates if they support the Fair tax.

    “Yes and so was Ron Paul.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku”

    Nope. Debra Medina proves that you are dead wrong. Texas, as a non-gerrymandered whole, demands low scandal, low drama, professional governorships with a somewhat mild but principled conservative administration.

    Not sure why you’d want to claim Texans by and large actually like Ron Paul. He’s no more popular here than he is anywhere else.

    MA will elect Republicans, but I cannot recall a statewide Republican elected there who was reliable.

    Different folks have different opinions, but I really do think Perry being electable in TX and not MA, and Romney vice versa, is a legit distinction.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  75. Bachmann

    “the drug company gave thousands of dollars to Perry.”

    Five. Five thousand. Wow, Bachmann just totally imploded. Totally.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  76. He later proposed
    $140 in business tax hikes through the closing
    of “loopholes” in the tax code. He announced
    in May 2004 that he wanted to cut the top
    income tax rate from 5.3 to 5 percent, but that
    was hardly an audacious stand
    . Voters had
    already passed a plan to do just that before
    Romney even took office
    . In his budget for
    2006, he proposed $170 million more in business
    tax hikes, almost completely neutralizing
    the proposed income tax cut. If you consider
    the massive costs to taxpayers that his universal
    health care plan will inflict once he’s left
    office, Romney’s tenure is clearly not a triumph
    of small-government activism.

    Oooooobama

    I mean Romney

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  77. Mormons don’t agree with polygamy.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  78. Why do people conflates plain-spoken with stupid? Why run with the leftist narrative?

    JD (318f81)

  79. I can respect Santorum’s view. He’s right. Vaccinate only for nonpreventable communicable disease. It’s just not a legit place for the government to go.

    But Bachmann’s ‘he was bribed’ crap, and her fear mongering about vaccinations, is offensive.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  80. Come on, people. If you send your kid to public school, and you really think they’re not at risk of catching an STD, you’re really not paying attention.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  81. Bachmann must have really genuinely deluded herself that she was in the race after the children of the corn anointed her in their occult rite.

    But Mr. Governor Perry got this.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  82. Come on, people. If you send your kid to public school, and you really think they’re not at risk of catching an STD, you’re really not paying attention.

    Comment by Milhouse — 9/12/2011 @ 6:13 pm

    Yeah. And I realize Perry didn’t ‘force’ anything on anyone, except with his requirement, insurance companies would pay for the vaccine, while parents who didn’t like the vaccine would opt out.

    But I really don’t like government dealing with STDs. I don’t really know the science behind this one. Maybe there’s some other way to catch the virus? But to my knowledge, it’s just not like mumps. I really don’t see the point in the government worrying about this vaccine.

    Perry has been governor for a very long time. He’s got more executive experience than the rest of the field combined. And he made a mistake or two.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  83. Romney

    Annnd its tough to explain Romneycare

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  84. Mr. Perry is very sorry he tried to prevent the hoochies from getting ate up with the tumors can we move on now?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  85. I like Romney criticizing Obamacare. I know he’s got no choice. And he sounds really good on this one.

    But man is he fighting a losing battle to gain credibility on this issue. T Paw was right. Romney just doesn’t have any cred on this issue.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  86. God Bless Ron Paul for that one.

    “freedom to take risks”.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  87. I can respect Santorum’s view. He’s right. Vaccinate only for nonpreventable communicable disease. It’s just not a legit place for the government to go.

    Government shouldn’t be running schools. But so long as it is running them, it has to set rules for admission. Every school requires students to be vaccinated in order to prevent disease from spreading. In some schools it’s fair to assume that few if any students will be carrying HPV, and those few will not be spreading it to their classmates. But if you imagine that such an assumption can be made of the entire public school system of any state then you don’t belong in a presidential debate.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  88. Dustin (or any oe else) –

    Should Rick P be the nominee and eventual winner, who is standing behind him in TX to assume teh governorship? What names come to mind? (No agenda, just curious.)

    elissa (ad7deb)

  89. Jeez the last Team R nominee was a craven douche what went about scaring moms that vaccines caused autism.

    No way no how Mr. Governor Perry isn’t a step up from that loser.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  90. The title of this should be “There is No Debate Among Senient Humans …”

    JD (318f81)

  91. Romney just gave a pretty clear description of the differences between Obamacare and the Mass. law.

    Indeed, why trust the word of a man who knows how unpopular his health mandate is with most Americans and who would trust the same folk to be gullible enough to swallow that attempted takedown of one of his challengers… hook, line and sinker.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  92. That was exactly why Obama did that and look how many took the freakin’ bait.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  93. Should Rick P be the nominee and eventual winner, who is standing behind him in TX to assume teh governorship? What names come to mind? (No agenda, just curious.)

    Comment by elissa — 9/12/2011 @ 6:22 pm

    Dewhurst is next in line unless he is our next Senator.

    I think he’s substantially more dogmatic than Perry, to be absolutely frank. But he is a fiscal conservative.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  94. Perry needs to lose that “Gomer Pyle standing at attention” look.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  95. Jeez the last Team R nominee was a craven douche what went about scaring moms that vaccines caused autism.

    Really? McCain endorsed that hoax?! I never heard that.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  96. Romney just gave a pretty clear description of the differences between Obamacare and the Mass. law.

    Indeed, why trust the word of a man who knows how unpopular his health mandate is with most Americans and who would trust the same folk to be gullible enough to swallow that attempted takedown of one of his challengers… hook, line and sinker.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku

    I agree. There are differences.

    It all does kinda boil down to any government mandate. I don’t really like government telling me what to do. I know that’s simplistic, but I definitely feel that way.

    Is Romneycare the same as Obamacare? No. Romneycare is not nearly as bad for a whole hell of a lot of reasons.

    And Bachmann’s ‘I’m more badass on this than you!’ rang very hollow with me, because I really don’t see why one state should care if another state wants to have Romneycare. Rick’s shrug and ‘I guess they wanted to do that’ is perfect, IMO. Let them do it their way, and us our way. Hell, Romney and Perry share that one point. That’s the only way the union can stand.

    Bachmann’s annoying as hell tonight.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  97. Perry is losing a lot of points on immigration (why is Blitzer announcing when Perry gets boos, and no one else?)

    But I respect that Perry is not flip flopping. He believes what he believes.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  98. wow, geez, 100 comments in an hour and a half. cool beans.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  99. John McCain Enters the Autism Wars

    that’s a place to start

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  100. Come on, peeps, endorsement is just an opinion, like your pal who recommends a Mustang over a Corvette as your next purchase.

    Nothing inherently corrupt or degenerate about it.

    Harry Bergeron (66e30f)

  101. EPWJ is for Perry? Damn, and I was almost convinced …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  102. illegal immigration… is Perry principled? or is he pragmatic?

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  103. Dustin,

    He’s not a populist, he’s really not a politician.

    I can see him getting 60% of the hispanic vote

    Huntsman did get one in on Mitt “we can talk all night where Mitt’s been on the issues”

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  104. Elissa, behind Dewhurst in the line of succession is Robert Duncan, who is an attorney (medical malpractice) from West Texas.

    Just my personal hunch, but a lot of West Texas Republicans are more conservative than the rest of the state.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  105. SPQR

    You can ask David Jennings of Bigjolly if I am a Perry supporter, or Rorchach

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  106. illegal immigration… is Perry principled? or is he pragmatic?

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/12/2011 @ 6:36 pm

    He made a legit point that his state’s view on the price of school is not really amnesty.

    It’s similar in some ways to what you said about how Romneycare isn’t Obamacare, only I’d say the distance is far greater.

    Perry consistently likes cheap tuition. I kinda see his point where if someone’s parents brings them here, and they reside here, let them pay cheap school.

    But Perry’s wrong on this. Immigration law matters. Don’t incentivize it just because it’s more moral in the narrow sense.

    It’s a tough issue, though, and the legislature did nearly unanimously pass it. I can’t see Perry vetoing that, even if he didn’t believe in it, but not to cop out… Perry seems to really believe in this.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  107. SPQR

    Do you have some objection to my supporting Perry?

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  108. But Perry’s wrong on this. Immigration law matters. Don’t incentivize it just because it’s more moral in the narrow sense.

    They pay taxes just like everybody else. They’ve paid for those schools. Why should they pay extra when they use them?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  109. Huntsman said Perry said he didn’t believe the border could be closed.

    That’s not what Perry said. He just see the option of military/national guard as the better and more effective option.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  110. Yes, it was a cheap shot.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  111. At the end of the day, none of the candidates will commit to what they would do with the 11 million illegals already here… the fallback is always, let’s seal the border first…

    I want to know what they would do *after* they seal the border… I think that’s important.

    I think it evidences a fear/weakness on all of their parts.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  112. Ron Paul… you cranky, demented old bast*rd.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  113. No I do not but you will throw him under the bus.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  114. Oh, Huntsman.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  115. Huntsman spent years and years learning to lie like a chinaman

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  116. Dana

    England is awash in illegal immigrants, they are fighting it by gradual pressure on landlords and employers

    That massive moat around the island didnt dent the flood of Eastern Europeans from flooding the place in the 90′s and up to today

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  117. I think we should just feel free to ignore all immigration laws, since our borders are imaginary constructs.

    JD (318f81)

  118. Huntsman said Perry said he didn’t believe the border could be closed.

    That’s not what Perry said. He just see the option of military/national guard as the better and more effective option.

    Comment by Dana — 9/12/2011 @ 6:45 pm

    It was really dishonest of Huntsman. Rude, too. I think he was trying to be witty, but he is just a punk.

    Perry advocates realistic and strong border control. Others advocate even stronger, but not realistic border control, such as a wall that wouldn’t work because there’s a damn river there.

    And I still think a fence would be an excuse to gut border patrol. This is an active task and needs a lot more manpower. That’s Perry’s approach to a secure border.

    Huntsman was channeling Bachmann with that.

    They pay taxes just like everybody else. They’ve paid for those schools. Why should they pay extra when they use them?

    Comment by Milhouse — 9/12/2011 @ 6:45 pm

    Like I said, that’s a moral view.

    But it’s also an incentive for parents to break the law and bring their children here. Mexico is ruinous partly because it has such a lovely escape valve for citizens who should really be demanding their country clean up its act.

    I’m seeing the big picture.

    At any rate, how in the hell did a high school student pay taxes? I paid more money in the education section of my taxes this year than I earned the entire time I was in high school.

    I disagree. We should also change our laws so that people born in this country to illegal immigrants are not citizens of this country.

    It’s not a black and white issue, though.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  119. That was a good debate!

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  120. According to krugman the nazis were far-right they pretended to be socialists.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  121. That was a good debate!

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/12/2011 @ 6:57 pm

    Big improvement over the last.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  122. This was clearly not a good night for Rick Perry. He has got to do better.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  123. He does have a common touch, but he appears to be a lousy debater.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  124. JD, that’s very Post-Modern of you.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  125. Rick was constantly attacked as he is the front runner in the election

    he already has the nomination

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  126. epwj, there is still the small matter of primaries, and having people actually vote for delegates that attend the National Convention.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  127. AD

    its over the people are already pushing for the Perry nomination once he’s up to 50% which could happen next week the other candidates will have no more money

    Perry will just be a no show to the debates and concentrate on Alaska

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  128. I mean Obama I’m listening to Palin reinvent herself again – he supported Perry’s mandate for vaccinations back then

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  129. He does have a common touch, but he appears to be a lousy debater.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/12/2011 @ 7:01 pm

    I can’t disagree.

    I do think he still won the debate anyway, but that was because of the errors from Huntsman, Bachmann, and Romney (in that order of severity). They all attacked him, and some of the attacks were pretty ridiculous.

    I mean, Hunstman simply lied about Perry’s position and called him treasonous. Bachmann lied *again* about “forcing” people who aren’t forced, and then spat out a lame conspiracy theory. Romney in comparison doesn’t really seem that bad! ha.

    Anyway, Perry does need to step up his game. He did a lot better than the last debate, though. He’s got a direct and plain poise, and I love how he just relishes sticking to his guns and explaining why he’s right.

    He simply is not as polished as Romney. I expected he would be, and that’s just not going to happen.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  130. Nothing is over until the fat lady sings!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  131. Perry will just be a no show to the debates and concentrate on Alaska

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 9/12/2011 @ 7:09 pm

    That would be foolish.

    I prefer Perry, but I don’t adore him. He owes us these debates. I can see him skipping the really douchey left wing ones (but since he showed at MSNBC’s that’s a tough sell).

    He needs a few debates to actually sell his views. He’s constantly explaining why whomever’s version of his views is wrong, and while that’s good politics for him, I want him to develop more.

    And frankly it’s good experience for him to gain.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  132. Fer shure there’s no question that Krugman is a waste of O2.

    A scumbag even by lefty standards.

    Well, he would be if lefties had standards.

    Dave Surls (375618)

  133. Dustin,

    No going on stage with a bunch of harpies led by a willing liberal press is a lose lose

    I think if he reaches 50% its over

    which will be soon

    I think romney had his chance he talked too much like a slick car salesman being a wall street guy (who many blame the street for thr problems today)

    Romney had to knock him out, instead he got a punch in the balls

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  134. its over the people are already pushing for the Perry nomination once he’s up to 50% which could happen next week the other candidates will have no more money

    Perry will just be a no show to the debates and concentrate on Alaska

    Sheer nonsense. Similar to the Breitbart to be indicted any time now. Even if it turns out to be true a year from now, it is still nonsense today.

    JD (318f81)

  135. When you get to a point in politics that you can only talk about your opponent and you are a serious underdog…………

    its over

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  136. JD

    Juuust couldnt resist

    You must have been sitting on your hand waiting … waiting

    :)

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  137. One need not sit around and wait for your idiocy, it is as regular as a bowel movement.

    JD (318f81)

  138. John Hinderaker and I must have been watching a different debate than you, Dustin…

    “1) It has been a long time since I was impressed by a Republican in a debate format–you would have to go back some time before Ronald Reagan, who I don’t think was very good in this medium, probably all the way to Richard Nixon. But I was impressed by Mitt Romney tonight. He is clearly ready for prime time and I think will crush Obama if he gets the nomination.

    2) Michele Bachmann crushed Rick Perry. If Tea Party credentials are your only criterion, vote for Michele.

    3) The field generally was good, with the sole exception of Ron Paul. Gingrich, Cain, Santorum and even Huntsman contributed. It was good to see Ron Paul being booed–a reception he richly deserves.

    4) The candidates were generally at their best when they were ripping President Obama. It was gratifying to be reminded how easy this is to do.

    On the whole, the evening left me feeling highly optimistic about 2012.”

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/09/tonights-gop-debate-a-partial-report.php

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  139. col

    reagan didn’t impress them.

    i was like 8 when he was elected and I was impressed.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  140. Just caught Bachmann going on about “how could you do that to a little girl?”. Please. Even if you’re confident your daughter is an angel, and won’t ever need to worry about HPV, where’s the harm? If you think the inoculation will make the difference between keeping her resolve to stay a virgin and succumbing to temptation, then you’ve already lost the battle and you’d better make sure she’s inoculated. And if you think it won’t, then what are you worried about? What’s so offensive about this shot over all the others that you have no problem with the school requiring your kids to take?

    Yeah, I know, every medical procedure carries a non-zero risk, but you cannot convince me that that’s really what you’re worried about.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  141. As were the American people in general, Aaron.

    Perry clearly has to improve.

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  142. John Hinderaker and I must have been watching a different debate than you, Dustin…

    Maybe. I’m pretty biased. But I’m not seeing your summary differ from mine, since I agree Romney is the most polished, and Perry won only because the others tried and failed to take him down, often in very unfair ways.

    Few will just admit Perry gets points for this, but he does.

    Anyway, Romney is a terrific debater. He sounds like the more principled conservative in the world. If he’s the nominee, he will be a good spokesman if folks trust him. I think many would be like me and trust him to be better than Obama, which probably is enough, but it’s hard to say.

    2) Michele Bachmann crushed Rick Perry. If Tea Party credentials are your only criterion, vote for Michele.

    This seems way wrong to me. Perry showed yet again principles when he admitted it’s perfectly fine by him if MA wants to go a certain direction on a political issue. Romneycare is their business. That’s federalism in a nutshell.

    I’m Tea Party to the core, and frankly I do not recognize Bachmann’s viewpoint at all. It’s anti states rights. Perry disagrees with MA’s policy, but accepts it as part of federalism. There’s your Tea Party. We can all one up eachother all day, but that’s not truth.

    I also thought Bachmann’s HPV ranting was irrational, which is sad because I thought Santorum made the case. He’s 100X the candidate Bachmann is.

    There’s one version of the Tea Party where people just yell unreasonable stuff. That’s not the version I recognize, though. I usually consider that a fantasy of the left.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  143. Newt rocked. Again. Damn.

    elissa (ad7deb)

  144. Milhouse

    The lie in all is two fold plus

    1st the vaccine is only effective when given in that age range the CDC picked it not Perry and BACHMANN knows this

    2nd Perry didnt mandate it, but he was protecting the state by making parents opt out and on the form they waived their rights to sue if their child was infected at school.

    3rd Perry Said that another vaccine company will have a competing drug within 6 months so Gardisil wasnt going to be the only one available

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  145. On the matter of vaccinations for HPV, the way it was explained to me is that even if the young lady remains chaste until marriage,
    if the dirtbag who’s stealing daddy’s little girl guy she marry’s is infected, the vaccination will protect her at that point in her life.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  146. Perry clearly has to improve.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/12/2011 @ 7:35 pm

    I think this assumes too much.

    Perry is not up to Romney’s slickness.

    He’s not nearly as concise.

    Does he really need to change? He’s got winning arguments. He’s got, by far, the best record. He’s responding to these attacks in a plain manner IE ‘if you think $5000 bought me, I’m offended’, but he won the argument anyway.

    Is this election about out slick-boying and our spinning Obama? I don’t think so.

    Bush was inferior in at least one debate to Kerry. Reagan was not the best sometimes.

    They won because they were the better, more direct leaders. There comes a point where the showbiz is too much, where the candidate is so picture perfect that he loses credibility (I’m not even referring to Romney’s actual lack of credibility here).

    When I used to criticize Perry, it was because I perceived him as too slick. I wouldn’t be surprised if his manner of distinguishing himself is to make sure he doesn’t come across as slick. He’s just the guy who actually has a state to run these days. He doesn’t rehearse commentary as well, and I suppose he’s no Gingrich off the cuff, either, but he’s highly effective.

    There is a reason he’s winning support, after all.

    I do hope Perry gains skill in these debates. He will probably win the presidency either way.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  147. As were the American people in general, Aaron.

    Perry clearly has to improve.

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 9/12/2011 @ 7:35 pm

    I guess another take on this is that Perry actually has that potential. He can improve his slick-ness if he rehearses more.

    Those with less experience, or contradictory principles, or a bad record… they don’t have the luxury Rick Perry does because they will can’t improve. Only Perry can get better from here.

    Elissa, I agree Gingrich did great. Always bittersweet, with him.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  148. The secret to success in show business:
    When you can fake sincerity, you’ve got it made.

    Politics is show business for the not-so-attractive (or something like that – see Rush’s Rules of Life).

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  149. ____________________________________________

    Perry is losing a lot of points on immigration

    I don’t care what he says or claims, but for him to have been a registered Democrat out supporting Al Gore as recently as 1988 (when Perry was in his late 30s—IOW, he wasn’t no high-school or college-aged kid) means there’s plenty of squish in the guy.

    Meanwhile, Romney (of RomneyCare fame) is full of his own squishiness. So when it comes to certain socio-economic matters along the lines of illegal immigration or healthcare, it is naive to assume either Perry or Romney will be much less of a squish than George W Bush was.

    But in 2012 it’s either the Republican candidate (whomever he or she may be) or the “Goddamn America” ultra-liberal currently in the Oval Office. So out of desperation, I’ll go with the former, no matter what.

    I say that with full knowledge that the biggest blunders of the administrations of Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr and George Bush Jr have been when they’ve allowed a bit of their squishy liberal side to seep through and slam down their common sense. IOW, a case of politicians succumbing to an unfortunate facet of human nature that perhaps most everyone will be guilty of on various occasions.

    An exasperating aspect of reality, to be sure, but I’ve gotta live in the real world. So the pursuit of the perfect — leading to and on November 6, 2012 — is right up there my determining how I’ll spend my winnings from the $500 million Lottery.

    Mark (411533)

  150. There’s no reason to make this a two person race this soon, as the media clearly seems to be trying to orchestrate. Why should we make it easier on the media and the Dems to “freeze the target” any earlier than absolutely necessary?

    elissa (ad7deb)

  151. I guess another take on this is that Perry actually has that potential. He can improve his slick-ness if he rehearses more.

    This assumes that people want to see Rick Perry as the slick guy rather than the boots-on-the-ground blunt everyman who has managed to be the longest continuously serving current U.S. governor, and the second longest serving current U.S. governor ever.

    I’m guessing slickness is highly overrated.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  152. ==When you can fake sincerity, you’ve got it made==

    see: Clinton, William Jefferson

    elissa (ad7deb)

  153. Mostly, the debates are about the media’s manipulation and machinations to pit two candidates against one another: Romney and Perry.

    Who knows if this is how it would naturally play out – if one looks at the airtime given them, the questions asked and the encouragement of sparring between select candidates, one gets the distinct impression the R’s are being skillfully played.

    Need I say more?

    Who’s framing the debate?

    Dana (4eca6e)

  154. I don’t care what he says or claims, but for him to have been a registered Democrat out supporting Al Gore as recently as 1988 (when Perry was in his late 30s—IOW, he wasn’t no high-school or college-aged kid) means there’s plenty of squish in the guy.

    Naw. He seems to be a bona fide federalist. Southern federalists resented democrats for a long time.

    Al Gore in 1988 was closer to Michelle Bachmann today than Obama today. That is not recent, politically speaking. Al Gore was the most conservative democrat of that era. He reinvented himself later. It’s true, even then some democrats were damn irresponsible. But there really were two democrat parties. Any politician in Texas would be a democrat, and if you’re a conservative, you supported the conservatives like Al Gore 1.0. I really don’t think there’s anything to that. Certainly not an indication of squishiness. Just realism. A hell of a lot of conservative democrats in Texas became conservative Republicans.

    it is naive to assume either Perry or Romney will be much less of a squish than George W Bush was.

    I know anyone will let me down. Reagan wasn’t perfect. No one will be. But Perry may very well be significantly more reliable than Bush 43 was.

    I guess you could say there already is ‘squish’ in Perry’s defense of his HPV efforts and his immigration stance, to be fair. But to be clear, I care about entitlement reform and foreign policy. Everything else is important, but not as.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  155. This assumes that people want to see Rick Perry as the slick guy rather than the boots-on-the-ground blunt everyman who has managed to be the longest continuously serving current U.S. governor, and the second longest serving current U.S. governor ever.

    Very good point.

    I don’t know that Perry should change. It’s not like he’s saying anything stupid. He just plainly says what he has to say, and that’s it. He’s principled, can defend his POV effectively, and frankly most folks would crumble under as many attacks as he’s grinning his way through.

    Maybe we’re finally over the superslick politician phase, and want to just elect the best leader? Trading foam columns for realism and experience?

    nah.

    Elissa’s probably right that it’s foolish to settle the primary so early for the democrats to know their enemy. I fall for it, though. To me, it really is a two man race.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  156. :roll: EPWJ has a visceral hatred of Palin which probably would still be going on if she lowered the taxes on the oil companies.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  157. Dustin,

    I’m guessing at this point in time, the average voter is worn out and weary from pols in general. Most people seem to simply want the impossible: a candidate who speaks plainly, says it straight and to the point, and doesn’t dress it up with insider speak. However, if Perry can do that – or even lend a strong air of doing that with his matter-of-factness, then it will serve far more to his advantage than Romeny’s slickness will him.

    My sense is that the voters are really, really tired. Cut away the superfluous and cut to the essential: jobs and the economy. Everything else seems to pale in comparison… at least today.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  158. Palin attacking Perry-I wish you would go away Palin.

    Palin not attacking Perry-Your a shill for Perry.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  159. I swear you just cant win with these people no matter what.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  160. Comment by Mark — 9/12/2011 @ 7:48 pm

    I believe Reagan was in his forties when he first registered as a Republican. He was, in the 30′s & 40′s, a die-hard FDR supporter. Then, he became President of the Screen Actors Guild, and had to fight the Commies in his own union.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  161. Converts also make the most strident defenders of the faith.
    Should we condemn someone for finding the truth?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  162. Naw. He seems to be a bona fide federalist. Southern federalists resented democrats for a long time.

    Freudian slip. I meant they resented the GOP, obviously. Sorry, Mark.

    Dana, what you’re saying makes sense. These are hard times for a lot of folks, and any patriot, and we don’t necessarily want someone who plays the game the best, or who is ready for ‘primetime’ politics. We might prefer the nicer, more experienced, less dramatic guy who can actually do the job after he’s elected.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  163. I don’t care what he says or claims, but for him to have been a registered Democrat out supporting Al Gore as recently as 1988

    In 1988 Gore was a candidate worth supporting, among Democrats. And in 1988 there was almost no such thing as a Republican in West Texas.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  164. In 1988, Al Gore was more conservative than George W. Bush was in 2000.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  165. SPQR, is that you over on Eric’s blog too, or is someone taking your name in vain?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  166. That’s me, Milhouse.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  167. Cool. One usually gets a better class of nut over there.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  168. (Of course, some of the regulars here would probably consider ESR the biggest nut of all.)

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  169. Eric who? What blog?

    Need moar blog.

    SPQR, I would comment at your blog, but I am too lazy to register. Good blog.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  170. Eric Raymond’s blog Low volume, high quality. A far better class of commenters than we have here. No trolls, but a few nuts.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  171. ______________________________________________

    Certainly not an indication of squishiness.

    Dustin, I’ll grant you that his affiliations 23 years ago can be excused or reconciled with natural changes that many people go through during their life. But I’m still wary of anyone who — within the past few decades — schmoozed with Democrats and the Democrat Party.

    The reason is that the middle point of the socio-political spectrum in America has tilted quite a bit to the left over the past 50 years. So while it may have meant one thing to be a Democrat in, say, 1964, it’s a whole different matter to have been one as recently as the 1980s.

    However, my main concern is not that Perry is imperfect, or too ideologically shaky. My main concern is undoing the nonsense of 2008. My main concern is with all the voters who threw caution to the wind and put into the White House one of the most — if not THE most — disreputable and inappropriate persons in American history.

    So I place the 2012 Republican candidate in the context of all the millions of people who shrugged off things like Obama and Jeremiah Wright, etc. IOW, I’m very aware of (and wary about) the sloppy, feel-good, faux-do-gooder, self-entitled quality of a good portion of the modern populace. Such folks are the reason Greece is Greece, Mexico is Mexico, France is France, Venezuela is Venezuela or, closer to home, Detroit is Detroit, Illinois is Illinois, San Francisco is San Francisco, DC is DC, Philly is Philly, etc.

    So I favor any Republican who removes — ie, who has the greatest ability to remove — the disgrace now in the White House. Or not too different from the idea expressed by Ann Coulter, who said she’d vote even for Charlie Sheen if he’s the one running against Obama next year.

    Mark (411533)

  172. Dustin, we’ve got a problem with registration on the forum. If you want a user id on Debunkers.org email me.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  173. So while it may have meant one thing to be a Democrat in, say, 1964, it’s a whole different matter to have been one as recently as the 1980s.

    Not in Texas. In the South that change happened a lot later.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  174. Remember that Phil Gramm was a Democrat until 1983.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  175. (Phil Gramm. It’s a great pity that his presidential campaign failed so miserably. Had he got the nomination I would gladly have voted for him instead of Harry Browne, whom I knew even then to be a crook. I voted for Browne because I honestly had no preference between Dole and Clinton, though I preferred either one of them to Perot, and even in hindsight I see no reason to change my view.)

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  176. Krugman IS a tool as in “clueless dipstick”.

    Comanche Voter (0e06a9)

  177. What happens when a Repub gets in the whitehouse and does away with obamas bull I hope the right side of the lefturds heads exlpode.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  178. At some point, we are going to have to take Newt seriously again. He’s leading the standings at 4-0.

    You do know that some of what you think you know about Newt is a lie, don’t you?

    Kevin M (563f77)

  179. There’s only one candidate what I would bother to vote for. The least embarrassingly douchey one. And that’s easily Mr. Governor Perry in spite of his low-rent religiosity.
    Comment by happyfeet — 9/12/2011 @ 5:56 pm

    – And exactly what is it about Perry’s “low-rent religiosity” that causes you concern about how he would govern?

    Icy Texan (da7ccf)

  180. “low-rent religiosity”

    ??!

    Well if that don’t beat all.

    Since Jesus quite often spoke and acted on behalf of the poor (always keep it in mind, conservatives, He did. there are lots of different ways to think about that and to act on that, but the baseline is, He did), then I reckon there’s a school of thought in which “low-rent religiosity” might-could stand as very high praise indeed.

    Hmm, I might even be thinkin’ like that right this moment as we speak…

    d. in c. (17012e)

  181. Mr. texas I would like Mr. perry to know that the mandate he wins is for the spendings and the debt and the regulations and the oil not to pursue his fetus hobbies or persecute gay people or scribble his religious twaddle into our constitution

    I’m voting for him in spite of his trashy all-too-public religious views, because he’s the best candidate with the most solid record and it’s important that America be governed by someone likely to pursue the economic policies Mr. Governor Perry would pursue

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  182. he signed some seriously white trash pledges you see, which makes it necessary that I qualify my vote for him as not intending any support for the bigoted and hateful American Family Association white trash agenda

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  183. someone who complains about hate and bigotry goes on and calls social conservatives white trash……………how ironic.

    Btw only one jew died on 9-11.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  184. but I’m not trying to inscribe my loathing of evangelical white trash hicks into the constitution, which is a key distinction

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  185. I understand where you’re coming from Mark.

    I grew up Texas, and even though I was… not exactly voting in 1988, I was already a Republican.

    But my folks came from Yankee country to Texas, and were decidedly un-southern.

    For various reasons, a lot of conservatives wouldn’t join the GOP. They thought the democrat party ought to be conservative, and the Republicans ought to be for the anti-federalists.

    We’ve got a twisted political history, to say the least.

    Anyway, that was a quarter century ago.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  186. Btw only one jew died on 9-11.

    Comment by DohBiden — 9/13/2011 @ 8:39 am

    I assume you’re joking.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  187. “he signed some seriously white trash pledges you see”

    Mr. Feets – I was not aware there was a White Trash Pledge or even more than one. Can you provide a link.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  188. feets, what constitutional amendments has Perry proposed that would enshrine his “low rent religiosity” into it?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  189. We have gotten to the point, that defending traditional marriage, is controversial, next step,
    puppies aren’t cute anymore

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  190. I’m over this thread

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  191. That’s what I thought, you just spew out an accusation without any foundation that cannot be defended, nor justified.
    You’re better than that and only hurt yourself by such actions.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  192. _____________________________________________

    For various reasons, a lot of conservatives wouldn’t join the GOP.

    I know until not that long ago (ie, only a few decades ago), there continued to be in the South a very strong lingering resentment towards the Republican Party because of its association with Abraham Lincoln and opposition towards the Confederacy. Talk about holding a grudge.

    I recall reading that when Harry Truman was in the White House, his mother would not have anything to do with the Lincoln Bedroom because she had such disdain for the person it was named for.

    Another interesting contrast between then and now is my just learning about how Martin Luther King Jr — a registered Republican, btw — took passages for one of his speeches from a speech given by a black minister addressing a Republican convention in the 1940s.

    I’m still not totally sure how such affiliations of the past were due to convenience, or desperation, more than they were about ideology. IOW, were conservatives in the South put off by the image of the Republican Party not just because of its ties to Lincoln and post-Civil-War carpetbagging, but also because it was seen as the organization where the snooty country-club crowd gravitated to? And was MLK unsure about the Democrat Party not just because of its ties to pro-Dixie sentiment, but because of its association with various anti-religion, ultra-secular leftists?

    [note: fished from spam filter. --Stashiu]

    Mark (411533)

  193. ______________________________________________

    We have gotten to the point, that defending traditional marriage, is controversial,

    That’s a sign of just how sloppily liberal the culture has become. Recall the controversy a few years ago surrounding one of the contestants in the Miss USA pageant who merely said she believed marriage should remain between a man and woman.

    I remember HP mentioning awhile back that he has friends who are thinking of same-sex marriage, and he does appear to sympathize with everything surrounding that. He’d be an example of a person’s economic conservatism in general meeting head on (and clashing) with his or her cultural liberalism.

    There have been studies indicating that finger length or right-handed versus left-handedness, or other non-purely-sexual characteristics of people may point to homosexuality. Since around 80 percent of gay people are of the left, I’ve often wondered if innate socio-political biases may also greatly influence sexuality and sexual behavior.

    Mark (411533)

  194. We need to identify that “homo” gene, test for it in amnio’s, and abort all those fetuses.(sarc)

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  195. ok just for you Mr. Drew even though I am so over this thread and also I am feeling kind of peckish even though I already had my cheerios. Mr. Governor Perry’s low rent religiosity is a lot instilled in his support for amendments to ban gay marriage and also abortion

    the vast majority of people will not be voting for him with an urgent desire for these amendments burning in their hearts, and spending political capital on them would be a retarded waste of his time I think

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  196. Mr. texas I would like Mr. perry to know that the mandate he wins is for the spendings and the debt and the regulations and the oil not to pursue his fetus hobbies or persecute gay people or scribble his religious twaddle into our constitution

    – For whatever it’s worth, happyfeet, I’m not letting you off the hook with just lobbing ad homs. Therefore:
    What do you mean by “fetus hobbies”? Would you have a problem if he proposed a budget to Congress that eliminated federal funding for Planned Parenthood?
    What evidence, if any, do you have that Perry has EVER ‘persecuted’ a gay person?
    What evidence do you have that Perry plans to propose ANY constitutional amendments at all, let alone any with a basis in his religious beliefs?

    Icy Texan (8fba93)

  197. “Mr. texas I would like Mr. perry to know that the mandate he wins is for the spendings and the debt and the regulations and the oil not to pursue his fetus hobbies or persecute gay people or scribble his religious twaddle into our constitution”

    Mr. Feets – I don’t think ballots are presented the way you describe, at least not where I vote. Good thing you live in California, where you can have ballot initiatives on virtually anything.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  198. I will answer back when I can Mr. daley and also Mr. Texan ok bye I’m a go have mofongo

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  199. Well see, I was wondering if “religious twaddle” was a reference to Governor Brown-initiatives’ devout belief in climate change.

    Icy Texan (8fba93)

  200. I would like Mr. perry to know that the mandate he wins is for the spendings

    How do you know? How will you know? People vote for the whole package. The fact that one aspect is uppermost in your mind doesn’t mean the same is true of all voters.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  201. Perry will know his mandate is to get government off the back of employers ASAP.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  202. I think Mr. Feets will send Mr. Gov. Perry an email letting him know that when he wins that Mr. Gov. Perry’s mandate from Mr. Feets is only for the spending and not for the cheap white trash religious twaddlings, monster truck religious prayer gatherings, fetus hobbies or defense of traditional marriagings is what I am thinking but I could be all wrong nobody ever tells me nothing.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  203. The first message from Mr. Feets to Mr. Perry will read thus:
    “Who told you that you could appoint that hoochie mama, that slink, as Secretary of State”

    Icy Texan (8fba93)

  204. I was looking on wikipedia sorry Dustin.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  205. I know it isn’t accurate.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  206. I was looking on wikipedia sorry Dustin.

    Comment by DohBiden — 9/13/2011 @ 1:00 pm

    It’s cool. I figured you were kidding.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  207. A lot of jews died on 9-11 the media crapheads just don’t wanna tell you.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  208. Comment by happyfeet — 9/13/2011 @ 10:23 am

    feets, one of the strongest opponents to ssm (at least seen in the exit polling for Prop-8(?) in CA) was the Black community.
    Are you saying that Perry is a member of an African-Methodist-Episcopalian (AME) church and wishes to codify their belief system into the laws of the land?

    Opposition to ssm can be found in most religions, Christian and non-Christian, and even among athiests/agnostics.
    Just what belief system is Perry supporting here?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  209. And, what’s wrong with Monster Trucks?
    There has to be some solution to the Prius Problem in America!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  210. Royal Alaskan Gasoline doesn’t work in Priuses. You must have at least 3 gallons of displacement for the proper ratio of discombobulation and animal spirits.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  211. Dustin, do you kiss your Mother with that mouth?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  212. No, it’s yo mama I’m kissin’

    /snap snap snap

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  213. No it’s yo mama I’m kissin

    :shock: Are you……………..naaaaaaaaaaah.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  214. The first message from Mr. Feets to Mr. Perry will read thus:
    “Who told you that you could appoint that hoochie mama, that slink, as Secretary of State”

    You mean John Bolton? :-)

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  215. Comment by Dustin — 9/13/2011 @ 1:32 pm

    Good, I’m glad someone is, she’s been very lonely lately since Dad passed.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  216. :(

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  217. Happyfeets question to Rick Perry-Is it true you like balls?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  218. Yes, he likes footballs, baseballs, tennisballs, volleyballs…
    next question.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  219. Mr. daley you are a very understanding person I feel like you really get me (#205). That is a true gift.

    Mr. Drew black people should learn to be more tolerant maybe in the future they will learn but in the meantime we don’t need for everybody to emulate their intolerance.

    Also the mofongo was really tasty I ate a whole one by myself and also my sister and NG both had boiled cassava root for the first time and that was a win.

    But the important point is how do we ensure that Mr. Governor Rick doesn’t get confuzzled about why he was elected? It doesn’t seem like a big problem now cause we’ll all be so glad to get rid of bumble… but then once Mr. Governor Perry’s presidency gets underway we’re gonna need to be clear on a few things.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  220. Gotta love the anti-semetic conspiracy theories about the joooooooooooos and 9-11.

    Why not give palestine their own state named Jordan………..forgot the jordanians cant stand them but that is ok.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  221. And if Israel had tried to give us intelligence they would be told to butt out.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  222. Mr. Drew black people should learn to be more tolerant maybe in the future they will learn but in the meantime we don’t need for everybody to emulate their intolerance.

    feets, what did I say about Blacks that prompted this?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  223. Like I said before, happyfeet, What do you think he might attempt to do when he gets into office?

    I mean, he might attempt to nominate a *gasp* strict constructionist to the Supreme Court.
    Or he might *double gasp* submit a budget that includes NO funding for Planned Parenthood.
    He might even dare *oh no!* to keep open the Office of Faith-Based and Community Partnerships, which President WhatMeWorry did not close down, but merely renamed.

    Oh, the humanity!

    Icy Texan (8fba93)

  224. he needs to behave when he gets in office Mr. Texan and he needs to cut the spendings and the regulatings and he needs to take away the planned parenthood monies – those are my tax dollars buy your own abortion lady

    The Office of Faith-Based whatever is gayer than naked putin badminton though.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  225. “Mr. daley you are a very understanding person I feel like you really get me (#205). That is a true gift.”

    Mr. Feets – Thank you for sharing your feelings tonight. It is a special moment for me which I will be sure to journal about later when I am in my happy place.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  226. *hugs*

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  227. The office of faith based whatever is gayer than naked happyfeet badminton though.

    Ed Koch is a democrat who gets it.

    I like how the demshats hate anyone on the side of Israel.

    DohBiden (d54602)


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