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9/12/2011

So How Does Obama Plan to Create Jobs?

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 8:27 pm



[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

Oh, simple, by making every single one of you poorer.  To make it more expensive to go to work in the morning, and to make every single product you purchase cost more, so the money you do make doesn’t go as far.

By taxing oil and gas.  Yes, really.

Part of me just laughs at the tin ear on display.  I mean I am personally still paying $3.43 per gallon, which is fraking awful, and Obama wants me to pay even more.

How many ways is this idiotic public policy?  Well, first, because it breaks his pledge, once again, not to raise taxes on anyone making below $250K.  Second, because it highlights the point I made months ago:

high gas prices are not an unintended consequence of their policies: it is the means by which they will accomplish their goal.

They’re doing this on purpose.

And third, it gives republicans an easy reason to say no to the “jobs” bill.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

97 Responses to “So How Does Obama Plan to Create Jobs?”

  1. Socialism is trickle-up poverty –
    always has been, always will be.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  2. My work requires driving about 500 miles/week and I’d kill for gas @ $3.43; here in Northern California it’s hard to find for much under $4.00.

    Old Coot (e480e9)

  3. So, how does he plan to create jobs?

    1) tax the holy he’ll out of everyone that makes more than $200k, and businesses that employ people.
    2) ????
    3) JOBS!!!!!

    JD (318f81)

  4. I average over 1000 miles in the car, weekly. Obama sux.

    JD (318f81)

  5. it is the means by which they will accomplish their goal.

    That goal being the complete destruction of the American economy and way of life.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  6. I see he’s flip-flopped again on corporate jets. Someone remind me, how long ago was it that they were once again in favour with him? It doesn’t seem that long ago.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  7. I don’t drive at all. But everything I buy needs to get to me, and that means it uses gasoline and oil.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  8. He (Obama) was for them when they liberalized the depreciation schedule last winter,
    then they fell out of favor during the run-up to the debt-ceiling resolution,
    then Warren (who owns Net-Jets) cornered him and convinced him of the errors of his ways,
    so he’s for them again,
    or has he come out against them again?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  9. I do like the cut in FICA tax, though. That’s a good thing, which the Republicans should pass, because it further breaks the illusion that social security is somehow linked to this tax. It makes clear what has always been the case, that FICA is just a second income tax, and social security is just another welfare program, and the two have no real connection. The Supreme Court said this before most of us, including 0bama, were born, and it was true even before that; the more visible the disconnect between the two, the fewer people will believe in the myth.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  10. or has he come out against them again?

    Yes. Follow Aaron’s link above.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  11. Warren is going to be very upset.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  12. I do like the cut in FICA tax, though.

    I do, too. I created a separate savings account for it. But it seems to me it’s on the wrong side of the ledger – employees, of which I am one, benefit, but the employer does not. How does this create an incentive to hire?

    It’s lovely to have money to stash, but I’m not spending it, and (I hope) neither are most people, considering it’s going away at the end of the year, and I am expecting a hike in the personal income tax rate to take it away (because I’m a cynic).

    Dianna (f12db5)

  13. employees, of which I am one, benefit, but the employer does not.

    The cut 0bama proposed is in both halves of the tax. Employers may pass some of the savings on to employees, but probably not all of it.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  14. In 1998, there were still conservative Democrats. Especially in Texas.

    Gore, a Tennessee native, wanted to be elected and he pretended to be a conservative Democrat.

    By 1990, everyone knew the game was up and the Democrat Party went full liberal.

    A lot of Texans had to make a decision: continue to be a Dem or convert to the party that reflected their beliefs. Perry was one of many, including Ralph Hall, and John Connally before him.

    I was late to the game, but don’t doubt Perry’s bonafides. He is a conservative.

    Keep in mind, this is coming from someone who doesn’t generally like Perry.

    I will certainly vote for him, though.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  15. employees, of which I am one, benefit

    Doesn’t do much for the 14MM who are unemployed*.
    *http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  16. $3.43 per gallon

    AW, count your blessings.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (de8c31)

  17. i hope the SCOAMF isn’t counting on raising much in the way of tax revenues here in the People’s Republic of California…

    we’re about to double down on st00pid.

    yet again and still. 8)

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  18. and, in my part of LA, gas is still at or above $4/gallon.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  19. http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/09/12/wow-obamas-epa-fires-back-at-luminant-blames-company-for-500-layoffs/

    Luminant is forced to layoff 500 workers due to 0bama’s EPA regulations, that’s 500-1000+ less votes for 0bama

    YourMaster (53a943)

  20. My car requires premium gas. Last week it cost $4.13 a gallon in North Hollywood, CA. It hurts me to say you are fortunate to get gas at $3.43 a gallon.

    Tanny O'Haley (12193c)

  21. “How Does Obama Plan to Create Jobs?”

    Don’t know, and don’t care.

    All I know is how I’m planning on getting him fired from his job.

    Dave Surls (71bbd5)

  22. Aaron,

    Many here argue that Palin’s taxing the oil companies has no effect on the price of gas.

    That it is a just and patriotic thing to do.

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  23. Obama can’t create the environment for job growth. He doesn’t know how. But if Perry will be the Republican nominee, he’s got to improve.

    “I don’t think Rick Perry lost the debate tonight, though he took obvious hits that might do him some harm on immigration and his handling of the Gardasil vaccine in Texas. He got off a bunch of good quick lines and jabs in the first half hour, though as was true in the last debate, he seemed to flag after the one-hour point and could barely compose a sentence without looking as though he might pass out from exhaustion. When pummeled by Michele Bachmann on Gardasil and the fact that he took a campaign contribution from Merck, he professed he was “offended” at the suggestion he would sell out for a $5,000 donation—apparently not understanding the implication that there was a price at which he might well sell out.

    The main problem here, though, is that he seems to think he can wing these debates by referring to what he did in Texas here and what he did in Texas there. That is insufficient not just when it comes to giving voters a chance to judge him by the policy choices he might make; it’s insufficient because it suggests he thinks he can get away without getting specific and demonstrating a command of national and international issues.”

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/09/12/perry-better-get-better/

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  24. Aaron,

    Many here argue that Palin’s taxing the oil companies has no effect on the price of gas.

    That it is a just and patriotic thing to do.

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 9/13/2011 @ 4:26 am

    Abject f@cking lie, no matter how many times you claim it.

    Raising taxes by a half trillion dollars is a surefire way to jumpstart the economy, Barcky. Bravo.

    JD (318f81)

  25. JD

    Oh no you’ve expended TONs of energy defending Palin’s Taxing and spending policies

    Please JD tell us about how its okay for Palin to do it but different if Obama does it?

    come on JD eplain that royalties are not a tax again

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  26. Hey everyone its story time Uncle JD going to tell us a story about how a brave little governor who took on big oil and sold them something that they had ALREADY paid for again and how it was just and good for people’s

    Uncle JD going to tell us about his brilliant theory that royalty checks are different from tax checks even though they are written to the same department.

    Jd will then tell us about all the neat names he’s learned to call people on the internet when he cant explain himself cause – well –

    Come on Uncle JD explain again about your unending support for higher taxes on California and the West Coast for Alaskan oil?

    Why not the rest of the country?

    Awww – its one of these golden moments on the internet

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  27. You are a tiresome little twat, epwj. If I were your uncle, I would slap my brother for not raising you right.

    JD (318f81)

  28. Mr Worthing wrote:

    Well, first, because it breaks his pledge

    What did you expect? His lips were moving!

    Democrat economics: we’ll raise taxes on oil and gas companies, which will have no effect on the consumers.

    Republican economics: if you raise taxes on oil and gas companies, they will pass those additional expenses on to their customers.

    Now, which one actually makes sense?

    The realistic Dana (3e4784)

  29. Because the IRS considers me self-employed (it’s complicated), I get to pay both the employee and the employer portions of FICA. 15.3% straight off the top of my paycheck, no deductions. And I’ve always known that the Social Security program would be bankrupt by the time I’d be retiring (I’m thirty-two — any chance of it lasting another 30 years? Nah, I didn’t think so), so I’ve always seen that as a straight-up tax, not a “contribution” to my own retirement.

    So if (and that’s a big “if”) a FICA tax cut on both sides of the ledger actually goes through, that would actually help me quite a lot.

    Robin Munn (59b60b)

  30. The president’s plan to tax only the rich, jet owners and oil companies verify that this is a political plan and not a jobs plan. But after this, who is left to pay for the next round of reckless spending by the One?

    BSKB (334c50)

  31. You can’t even work around this foolishness, which
    I suppose it’s why the Times still employs him

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20110911,0,1556560.column

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  32. JD tell us again he story about royalties not being a tax?

    Pleeeease…

    Tell us agan about your undying support for Oil Taxes – you’ve spent sooo much time and energy on it – tell us again why they are good when Palin does it but bad wheb baracky does it

    Pleeeease

    Oh and where’s all that “debunking” info you claim to have

    Did you leave it with your research on royalties are not a tax – maybe you could look there

    Or maybe attend a international tax seminar

    Or maybe get a job? (in a real company)

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  33. JD

    So tell us all ho a royalty reaching 93% in Alaska is beneficial to the consumer and creates a positive investment climate but a TAX in other states is a bad bad thing

    Go on we’ll wait…..

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  34. I did a CTRL+F for the word “Palin” and the first instance was comment #22 by the obsessed EPJW. Rather than participate in his obsession, I’m just going to provide this service from time to time.

    Former "Saved by the Bell" Viewer (49ef9f)

  35. EPWJ, will you give it a rest already?

    Robin Munn (347954)

  36. On the other hand, if repeating nonsense, claiming that “many others here” agree with you, and spouting bizarre PDS stories could be part of a federal debt swap—why, we would be running a budget surplus right now.

    Chillax, you odd and demented person..

    Simon Jester (1375c2)

  37. Another victim of sockpuppet Friday, whoops.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  38. And “…tell us all ho…” is phunny.

    Just DCSCA without spell check.

    Simon Jester (1375c2)

  39. Carlitos – my apologies. I just found out I do not work for a real company, and since I have not attended an international investment or tax seminar, I am apparently not supposed to have opinions.

    JD (318f81)

  40. You just need to go to the Four Seasons to get a air cut, JD. Then head to the lake house.

    The guy is medicated, don’t you think?

    Simon Jester (1375c2)

  41. Actually, “air cut” is funnier than “hair cut.”

    Simon Jester (1375c2)

  42. Simon – sorry for not responding sooner, I was busy packing for a trip in December.

    JD (318f81)

  43. And counting joooooooooooos

    JD (318f81)

  44. EPWJ – Do you think Sarah Palin controls the world price of oil?

    Please spell out exactly how much her ACES legislation raised the price of gasoline, by state, for American consumers. Show your work.

    Please explain how under your theory companies which export oil from Alaska can charge higher prices for their products than competitors not offering products from Alaska.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  45. EPWJ – I really need to understand the genius of your Palin price raising argument here.

    You have brought it up numerous times, but the discussion has never concluded satisfactorily and I’m sure I must be missing something.

    Your argument is that Palin’s ACES legislation, by increasing royalty tax levels on oil companies operating in Alaska increased the price of gasoline for American consumers, because those companies increased their prices to pass along the impact of the increased royalties on their bottom lines.

    My question for you is recognizing that BP and Conoco compete against other companies who do not have to pay those Alaskan royalty taxes, what enables them to charge higher prices and maintain market share? Do they label the product “Royal Alaska Gasoline” or something? What am I missing?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  46. Actually, BP – under it’s more widely known brand of ARCO – is the price leader in SoCal, which is arguably one of, if not, the largest gasoline market in the USA.
    So, Gee, if they didn’t have to pay such extortionate royalties to the People of Alaska (due to the spell-inducing Wiched Witch of Wasilla), how much lower could the price of a gallon of gas at ARCO be?
    C’mon epwj, concerned motorists in SoCal want, nay – need, the the answer to that question.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  47. Another Drew – People pay a premium for gasoline on which royalties have been paid to the state of Alaska? That works? Seriously?

    Can competing gas stations claim their product is real “Sarah Palin Alaska Gasoline” and raise their prices or will BP sue them?

    What about the Speedways or 7-11’s that usually undercut the branded gasoline?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  48. Daley

    Arguing that Alaska oil doesnt flow to California?

    Arguing that the higher taxes don’t lead to price increases, increased spending?

    Arguing against basic fundamental principles again?

    oh well

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  49. Pull up some lawn chairs pop the popcorn, ice the cokes JD and Daley are going to tell us some new fairly tales about the brave little sled riding hood who took on the big bad oily black wolf and spread the gold throughout the land

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  50. EPWJ @49 – Nonresponsive. Please explain your argument not the argument you fantasize I made.

    I made non of the arguments you listed.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  51. Stoooory time children watch as long time commentators paint themselves into a web of fallacies of their own weaving

    with cursing

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  52. Daley

    when you actually have a factual argument I will address it

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  53. “Pull up some lawn chairs pop the popcorn, ice the cokes JD and Daley are going to tell us some new fairly tales about the brave little sled riding hood who took on the big bad oily black wolf and spread the gold throughout the land”

    EPWJ – Actually, you are the one who made the completely unsupported assertion the Palin’s actions increased gasoline prices for consumers in the U.S. Offering evidence would be nice on your part.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  54. btw um, yes you did numerous times

    the problem is Palin coming on to critique real conservatives when she isnt one

    not even close

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  55. daley

    raising taxes = raising prices

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  56. I can’t recall JD or Daley carrying water or lionizing Palin. In fact, I think JD would criticize someone for doing that.

    Shills they aren’t.

    BTW, Royal Alaskan Gasoline is the preferred high octane brand for your monster truck to run properly all prayer rally long. Exclusively at BP and Foley’s.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  57. EPWJ – Please provide some evidence to support your assertion that Palin’s ACES legislation increased gasoline prices for consumers in the U.S. or just admit it is another of your smears against Palin your cannot back up. I’m not interested in following your moving goal posts.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  58. well its been fun = some of us have for reals things to do, some are here with stooory time

    so Aaron, dont worry about gas taxes, Daley says it lowers prices, so does JD

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  59. daley, don’t know of any “Speedways” here in SE L.A.Co., and there are few 7-11’s that still sell gas (they were tied to CITGO, which is owned by the Venezuelan Govt – so I wouldn’t, on principle, buy gas from them) here.
    If you do a ‘net search on gas prices in SoCal (I use http://www.losangelesgasprices.com) you’ll find that ARCO is generally the lowest price available.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  60. “raising taxes = raising prices”

    EPWJ – When “raising taxes” is only done to three companies in an industry who all sell a commodity product? That is not an argument it is a childish mantra.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  61. I think we need to immediately immplement Daley’s corollary on the theory of relativity and RAISE TAXES ON EVERYTHING!

    It will lower prices everywhere, create investment and solve the deficit

    Genius, pure genius

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  62. I see Johnson is off his meds again.

    Dave Surls (96567d)

  63. “so Aaron, dont worry about gas taxes, Daley says it lowers prices, so does JD”

    EPWJ – Another lie. Please show me a comment where I said what you claim.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  64. The khat delivery is overdue.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  65. RAISE THE TAXES WHaT ARE WE WAITING FOR

    please Obama Listen to Daley and JD – they have the learnin!!!!!

    100 Dollar tax!!!!! on everything we will be the richest country in da world

    or not but – they are long time commentators…

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  66. AD – Out here in fly-over country they use the BP brand.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  67. I can’t see why we fork out trillions of dollars per year to finance this giant nanny state of ours, and yet Eric Johnson is still roaming around unsupervised.

    I mean, what’s the point?

    Dave Surls (96567d)

  68. Daley

    Do you read what you type?

    Really?

    Honestly?

    Simple question

    Does raising taxes, raise prices?

    (psst! its a yes or no question)

    EricPWJohnson (2a58f7)

  69. EPWJ – I see once again you cannot address the substance of your argument and my counterargument.

    Why should commenters here take anything you say about Palin seriously if you are unwillingly to stand behind your statements?

    That was a rhetorical question.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  70. Yes, I see them along I-5 north of the Tehachapi’s.
    But “Richfield” was an historical brand here in SoCal (they had a great 110-octane gas back in the day), and it became ARCO with its purchase by the Atlantic Oil Co. You don’t throw away a recognized brand in favor of one (BP) that was pretty unknown outside of the Commonwealth, and among Formula-One fans (a distinctly, in the USA, minor/minor/minor segment of the population).

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  71. “Does raising taxes, raise prices?”

    EPWJ – Does Conoco/Phillips have the ability to unilaterally increase the retail or equivalent price of gasoline by $0.10 per gallon (for sh*ts and giggles) to recoup a royalty tax imposed on it and not its competitors without adversely affecting its revenues?

    Yes or no?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  72. Another court has weighed in on the constitutionality of the mandate contained within ObamaCare:
    “It’s an unconstitutional extension of the authority granted Congress under the Commerce Clause.”

    Need to get this to SCOTUS – Now!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  73. …and, isn’t that creating jobs (at least) for lawyers?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  74. Meawhile, back in the real world, she was one of the first to challenge the EPA’s designation on polar bears, the one based on bogus science, in the Times Op Ed that Katie Couric’s researcher couldn’t find. She used the data, from the climate change panel as part of the filing.

    The administration, gave the interior’s Alaskan affairs coordinator to one of the prime movers on Troopergate, they have foreclosed huge tracks on land to any possibility of development, despite the testimony she gave in the spring of 2009,

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  75. raising taxes = raising costs

    The ability of a company to pass on cost increases to its customers in the form of price increases depends on the structure of its industry, product and customer base.

    EPWJ assumes an increased tax imposed only on a few members of an industry selling a commodity product will be passed on to consumers but provides no argument or economic theory to support his assumptions.

    Were the tax to be imposed on all members of the industry, his argument might actually make sense.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  76. What our resident oil industry scholar conveniently overlooks is that ALL oil companies, in some form or another, pay royalties for the oil that they extract/refine/market.

    And, in the U.S. market, as in markets that are not constrained by their host governments, the retail price is set by the international bbl price of crude, plus the level of Federal/State/local taxation.

    If epwj were so concerned about windfall taxation, he should be looking at the excise taxes on the sale of oil at retail, not what the cost of a royalty is to any one land-owner.
    The latest info from the API (IIRC) is that the total receipts of the tax/gal on gas exceeds the net profit of all of Big-Oil in the U.S.

    So, just who is profitting from the sale of petroleum products in the US?
    It is the Federal/State/Local governements who are picking the pocket of the American consumer.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  77. Another Drew – I am declaring victory over EPWJ, yet again.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  78. Well, I’ve declared victory over slavery, again.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  79. He will insist ‘it’s only a fleshwound’

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  80. EPWJ, perhaps something in the lithium bicarbonate family is for you.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  81. “the retail price is set by the international bbl price of crude, plus the level of Federal/State/local taxation.”

    AD – EPWJ believes Sarah Palin sets these prices, except for those select companies which unilaterally raise their prices to recoup Alaskan royalty tax payments.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  82. ian cormac – Where does he have any flesh left?

    Nevermind, I don’t want to know.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  83. I’ve counted coup on EPWJ that I got bored.

    And I never get bored whacking moles.

    SPQR (3944f2)

  84. Daleyrocks – why does epwj believe that unicorns fart skittles and fairy dust?

    JD (7c90f3)

  85. If we’re going to spend trillions per year for government “services”, the least I expect is that the welfare state put Johnson in a facility that DOESN’T have internet access.

    I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

    Dave Surls (96567d)

  86. “Daleyrocks – why does epwj believe that unicorns fart skittles and fairy dust?”

    JD – He must have relatives who work in the unicorn fart and fairy dust industries.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  87. The next time the resident international investment/tax seminar attendee is able to honestly and accurately portray someone’s actual position, it will be the first time. Hint – pointing out that you are a drooling lying tard does not mean that someone holds the opposite position from what you are claiming. Generally, there are miles and miles between reality and your position.

    JD (cae88c)

  88. “Daleyrocks – why does epwj believe that unicorns fart skittles and fairy dust?”

    JD – Or perhaps he bought an interest in a unicorn fart and fairy dust partnership at one of the fabled international investment seminars he attends and has an undisclosed conflict of interest here.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  89. He should stick to counting jooooooooos and xians.

    JD (ae55d7)

  90. If we’re going to spend trillions per year for government “services”, the least I expect is that the welfare state put Johnson in a facility that DOESN’T have internet access.

    I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

    Unfortunately, the relevant professional ethics boards say that the patient, not the ones who pay the bill, is the client, and therefore they must act in his interest and provide him the best service commensurate with what they’re being paid. So, of course, they provide him with the luxury suite, with internet access, unless his doctor prescribes an internet-free existence.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  91. Steven Kruiser remarked that every time he watches a Pawlenty speech is a day he saves an Ambien.
    Could we play looped tapes of T-Paw for epwj?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)

  92. Are the unicorn farts and fairy dust industries unionized? Save these jobs!

    elissa (08a787)

  93. Teamsters, and Chemical Workers of America.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (89e0e7)


  94. So How Does Obama Plan to Create Jobs?

    He plans to weave cloth of gold from unicorn farts, and sell it on the international market.

    OK, I ack that I actually don’t know the answer, but the means I’ve proposed above will almost certainly work just as well, so it’s basically equivalent to it.

    Jus’ Sayin’…

    IGotBupkis, Unicorn Entrepreneur (2fb1c2)

  95. I see Johnson is off his meds again.

    Comment by Dave Surls — 9/13/2011

    Now you can call him Eric
    or you can call him EJ
    or you can call him PW
    or you can call him PeeWee
    but ya doesn’t has ta call him Johnson!

    ColonelHaiku (601b0d)

  96. Aaron, you’re lucky–here in central Illinois gas is $3.69; hasn’t changed in at least a month; and Gov. Quinn is probably trying to figure out how to piggy-back a STate tax onto the federal tax Obama proposes. Once an idiot, always an idiot, I guess.

    rochf (f3fbb0)


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