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9/7/2011

Coulter: Palin Not Electable

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:35 am



Judging from the number of comments at Hot Air about this segment, you guys want to talk about this. Coulter and Laura Ingraham seem to agree that Palin isn’t really interested in running for President. Coulter says that no conservative wants to criticize Palin because of the blowback. Coulter argues that just because liberals call some conservatives unelectable doesn’t mean there is no such thing as an unelectable Republican. Both seem to think that Chris Christie needs to get into the race, and that Palin needs to decide one way or the other.

By the way, for balance, John Nolte (whom I respect quite a bit) has been making the case that an October announcement is just fine — and he cites the late entries of Reagan and Clinton as examples of successful late announcements.

Exit question, as they say: Ann Coulter: the new Karl Rove?

261 Responses to “Coulter: Palin Not Electable”

  1. colonel write before
    palin not electable
    just the way it is

    ColonelHaiku (c7aeaa)

  2. No, she was wrong about Romney, as she is about Christie now, but the ‘narrative’ is what matters

    ian cormac (4e0dda)

  3. Women are too jealous of Palin and too socially pressured to be able to vote for her. Without that, she just can’t make the numbers.

    I am totally cool with Palin driving around in a red white and blue bus, posting on Facebook, throwing out red meat, and forcing the media to cover her. I think it’s a brilliant political strategy to effect the changes she desires.

    She’s not sucking any useful oxygen out of the race and she’s under no requirement to state any future plans.

    She would make the world’s most incredible Secretary of Energy or whatever that Cabinet position is.

    luagha (64c89a)

  4. 3.Women are too jealous of Palin and too socially pressured to be able to vote for her. Without that, she just can’t make the numbers

    Actually, it’s more the case that almost 2/3 of the voting public have said there’s no way they’d ever vote for Palin that’s keeping her from making the numbers.

    There are plenty of things to admire about Palin, but there’s no way on God’s green earth that she’d ever win a general election.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  5. Palin would make a terrific Senator. She has the charisma and she would be good on the issues. And she would get alot of attention.

    She was thrust into the national lime light before her time. She needs to get some political seasoning and then in 8 to 10 years if she decides to run she could be very formidable. I wouldn’t want to see her run now.

    Ipso Fatso (74cbec)

  6. If Palin is ‘unelectable,’ then her getting into the race shouldn’t be a big deal as it will all shake out in the primaries, as per the intent behind elections.

    tD

    tahDeetz (eb3af3)

  7. I continue to regard Coulter as among the brightest most agile minds on the Right. She seems, however, gadfly, producing only agitprop.

    Here the blondes disrespect Perry, Palin and Bachmann to gush over Ryan, Christie and Romney, the first two definitely not running and Ryan alone, a politician with a future.

    Yet, even from his own State, Ryan’s potential as an executive pales compared with that of Governor Walker.

    Apart from Cavuto Fox is unwatchable.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  8. exit answer: Ann thinks she’s Karl Rove.

    ltw (370236)

  9. I like Chris Christie’s style but he’s far too liberal for me, and for the rest of the various Midwest and Western state GOP voters.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  10. Red State has an excellent column on this very subject.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  11. As for “unelectable”, there is no argument that the media spin is a huge disability to Sarah Palin today. But “unelectable”? Richard Nixon was “unelectable” following 1964.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  12. No it isn’t, and if the ‘narrative’ becomes the truth, then don’t be surprised this will happen to your guy.

    ian cormac (4e0dda)

  13. Ann is no dummy — she’s got a BA from Cornell and a JD from Michigan, clerked for a US appeals court judge and worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee. Also, she despises Christopher Shays.

    So, she may be a political comedienne but she’s a smart political comedienne. And a lot funnier than Karl Rove.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  14. I usually agree with Coulter’s judgment, but she’s wrong about Palin. American voters are hungry for a candidate who openly and unabashedly loves our country and is willing to represent our interests, not the usual Washington DC special interests.

    If the GOP nominates another RINO it really won’t matter much if Obama wins or not. A so-called Republican would only slow the rate of decline. The general policy direction would remain tilted toward increasing socialization at the expense of lost individualism and curtailed freedoms.

    I’m not satisfied with either Romney or Perry. Both are deeply flawed, Romney on healthcare and global warming, and Perry on border security. Oh, I’ll support the Republican nominee, and I’ll vote a straight GOP ticket, grudgingly, but I won’t like it one bit. And, if I see a viable alternative to the usual GOP establishment’s turncoat candidate, I’ll take it and never look back.

    ropelight (1e59f2)

  15. Geez, don’t you just love a good cat-fight?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  16. If Palin is unelectable, why is she unelectable? (The answer is not that she polls poorly–that just takes the question back a step to “Why does she poll poorly?) Is it because she is a woman and the country is not ready for a woman president? Or because she has a high-pitched voice that some people find irritating? Is it a class thing? What is it?

    nohype (c86dc7)

  17. Comment by SPQR — 9/7/2011 @ 8:25 am

    1962!
    Don’t you remember?
    “You won’t have Richard Nixon to kick around anymore!”

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  18. 4. “..almost 2/3 of the voting public have said there’s no way they’d ever vote for Palin..”

    And no less an analyst than Jay Cost says polls this time of year mean diddly.

    Gallup’s October 2010 affliate polling had 33% Dimmis, 27% Republicans, 30% TEAs, and 10% so-lib Indies. Yet virtually every pollster, inclucing Rasmussen has padded the Left 5% and more since.

    Elections matter, and elections are electoral college contests.

    Case in point, DE 2010, closed Republican Senatorial primary. Two known DE quantiies, career tick versus loon. Castle up as much as 40 points early was 9 to the good week of the contest. Lost by 6.

    Rinse and repeat times 57.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  19. She became unelectable when she resigned. No one likes a quitter.

    a different Mark (e93f5d)

  20. she’s not electable mostly cause she bailed on her last job for to become a cable tv star

    beyond that she’s annoying

    also she’s not particularly impressive in terms of the knowledge and intelligence she brings to the table

    mostly she’s become the much-celebrated Queen of Duh – drill oils! unions suck ass!

    duh

    but that’s great if she wants to flounce around as a celbritart but we’re all dealing with the consequences of putting a shallow gimmicky no-account in our white house already we don’t need to put another one in there

    In that spirit I invite America to join me in kicking Sarah Palin to the curb along with the incumbent trash for so we can reassert that the white house is a substantive and serious office that we really count on not to ass-rape our little country

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  21. happyfeet, I get that you have this unrequited love thing for Sarah Palin that reminds us all of Andrew Sullivan. But why is it that you feel the need to make false statements about Palin’s speeches as a result?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  22. plus also she’s gone on a creepy populist jag lately – and populism is gayer than putin in a bathtub of skittles

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  23. “she’s not particularly impressive in terms of the knowledge and intelligence she brings to the table”

    James Taranto has done marvellously with a GED. Why not give it a whirl?

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  24. Can I have an amen, about how counterproductive this is?

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/karl-rove-rick-perrys-social-security-views-toxic/

    ian cormac (4e0dda)

  25. She became unelectable when she resigned. No one likes a quitter.

    Meh. It may be somewhat circular reasoning, but I’m not terribly worried about the opinion of people who think like this.

    She quit because she was being hounded by frivolous charges of ethics violations (e.g., wearing Arctic Cat logo gear). As President, she would be insulated from that.

    As far as that making her a quitter, I haven’t seen anything else that substantiates that characterization, from her personal life to her political career.

    There are worriesome things about Sarah Palin, but she isn’t a quitter. Now, will there be people who think so? Sure. And there are people who elect Maxine Waters every two years. There’s no accounting for the electorate. The question is have you done anything to change that perception? As the old saying goes, are you part of the solution or part of the problem?

    AJsDaddie (79daea)

  26. 25. Amen. Too early to assess Perry, but if Rove doesn’t like him, were the vote today, I’d go with bells on and suffer Bush III, sans Rove.

    Romney(Rove) Mediscaring seniors is conceding defeat hoping for 2016. Too bad Urkel’s joining Jimmy Hoffa Sr.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  27. Perry is perfectly functional. He would be a nice set it and forget it type of president I think.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  28. She quit because she was being hounded by frivolous charges of ethics violations

    She may have had good reasons for quitting, but public perception is more important than actual facts, and the public perception is that she quit.

    It’s a huge anchor for her to drag around, and she’ll spend more time explaining this one issue than she will getting any campaign message out. And the big rule of campaigns is that if you’re explaining, you’re losing.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  29. 28. At the very least I’m all for Palin and Bachmann holding Perry’s feet to the fire, coercing a move to the antiEstablishment Right. There is absolutely nothing to fear from Coulter, Rove, and the calcified Beltway illuminati.

    Like back a conservative to replace Kay Bailey, got two?

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  30. The main reason Palin is unelectable is that she isn’t running. Then again, the main reason she isn’t running is because…

    I like Palin, and I think most comments here strike a better tone than 99% of the internet does. I respect her for her bus tour and other activities, and I see no reason to demand she announce anything. It’s not hurting anyone.

    Anyone expressing support for Romney over Perry these days seems quite alien to me. I’m not saying they are dishonest or even wrong… I just don’t understand, and think they need a great explanation why a failed governor of a small and stupid state would be more electable than a successful one of a large and great one.

    Palin hasn’t always made endorsements I agree with, but I’m guessing her actions will not be impacted by Ann’s advice, since it’s not earth shaking.

    Conservatives should ask: why does Palin have so many die hard fans, angry when Palin is criticized? The reason is that the GOP does have a sickness that is intolerant of idealist reformers with a populist streak. People trust her, and don’t trust folks like Ann.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  31. She may have had good reasons for quitting, but public perception is more important than actual facts, and the public perception is that she quit.

    Yep. It’s totally unfair, but this is correct. And Palin probably realized this was very likely to be the case. She still made the right choice for her state and family.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  32. I love that it is Coulter and Ingraham who have the courage to say what all the conservative pundits are thinking.

    That aside, they’re right. I loved Palin. I was thrilled beyond belief when McCain picked her for VP. I support her still…. BUT. I have to agree with C&I. To a point. I think half the reason I have trouble supporting her is because of the rabid Palinistas online. The other half is due to the media’s incessant nastiness. Honestly, I don’t know if I can take another election where I have to defend someone against such relentlessly doltish attacks.

    Book (c7b6c5)

  33. wow. reading some of these comments inclines me to think sarah palin’s supporters are more protective of their savior than ron paul’s supporters. a good cheerleader but not much more. i hope she doesn’t run. i’d prefer her in congress at best.

    johnny5alive (0fe8a3)

  34. I like Palin but Coulter has her right to state her opinion.

    Drop dead Crappyfeet.

    Coulter is still pimping RINO Christie.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  35. wow. reading some of these comments inclines me to think sarah palin’s supporters are more protective of their savior than ron paul’s supporters.

    Got an example?

    I think the thread is mostly quite reasonable. You’re the one leaping in here to attack people. I don’t see any unreasonable protectiveness. Nothing like Obama’s bot-like trolls.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  36. Whole lot of splunge in my view, and he’s at least two years to come up with a plan

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904537404576554692126810066.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

    ian cormac (4e0dda)

  37. johnny5alive, since I can’t find a single comment that matches your description, WTF are you talking about?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  38. These two ninnies couldn’t even bring themselves to discuss the substance of her speeches. coulter thinks christy should enter the race LMAO. fox news has become very anti palin. they didnt broadcast her speeches this weekend while other networks did. and they keep showing some bogus poll to discourage her base. pffft!

    superbad (b0c1c3)

  39. the important thing is that people feel free to criticize Sarah Palin and point out that she can’t get elected to a national office in this country because she’s alienated too many people and they don’t like her

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  40. 39) that is the larger point, most of these objection are made out of whole cloth, lke when
    Friedman sent his flying monkeys after Coulter, down in Florida

    ian cormac (4e0dda)

  41. There is one question that she nor her zealous supporters have answered: “Why is Alaska not a right to work state? Before, during and after Palin’s “brief” stint as governor Alaska kept forced unionism.

    The Big Labor vs Taxpayers Index has a great graph that drives this point home, i.e. despite what we hear Alaska puts the union above the taxpayer. Unions drive the cost of energy up.

    Link here: Link here: http://workplacechoice.org/state-map/

    This article spotlights important issues of our time.

    Since Palin has come unto the political scene I have asked questions about her and Alaska’s pro-union environment because Alaska is forced unionism and was forced unionism under Palin. The majority of the employed labor force in Alaska work for government at the state, local or federal level. Alaska’s labor structure is closer to the demorat states of CA and OR. If it weren’t for oil Alaska would have to revert back to the high tax nature of its past to be viable.

    What has Palin done to change this? This structure existed before, during and after her time as Gov. of Alaska.

    But instead of answers I get attacked as an anti-conservative etc… just for asking.

    Sloganeering about crony capitalism and against unions is easy. Alaska’s forced union environment says otherwise.

    One note Ted Stevens’ RINOtastic no compete affirmative action for Alaska “Native” American corporations, relating to government contracts, is totally different than forced unionism, but can be called a perverse form of crony affirmative action capitalism. Haven’t heard anything from Palin about eliminating this either.

    The same can be said and/or asked of Romney. Massachusetts is a forced union state.

    OccamsrazorX (f8bca4)

  42. But instead of answers I get attacked as an anti-conservative etc… just for asking.

    Nobody attacked you.

    I have no idea why you’re calling folks here zealous.

    How did you find this thread? You clearly didn’t read it.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  43. As Rush Limbaugh tells us over and over, “They will tell you who they fear.” Obviously, they fear Palin.

    Whether or not she is electable or she has been successfully destroyed by the media/beltway/washingtonians, they fear her.

    One of the things they fear about her is that she reminds independent conservatives of what they believe and that they shouldn’t be afraid of it.

    Palin has the power to trigger ‘preference cascades.’

    luagha (5cbe06)

  44. shape of… an ice cascade!

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  45. ***
    President Ronald Reagan wasn’t polling well early in the 1980 election primaries either. Didn’t work out too well for Jimmy Carter–the second worst president in my memory.
    ***
    We’ll find out what is true and what is false when the ‘Cuda gets into the race in a few weeks. Let the voters sort this out.
    ***
    And my Chihuahua could beat Comrade Obama in the Nov. 2012 election. No way His actions can change our current real unemployment rate of near 20 percent. Or the coming financial meltdown and Carter era Stagflation.
    ***
    Rocketman
    ***

    John Bibb (193f6e)

  46. It must be tough to have a job where you are supposed to talk all of the time and be smart (or at least sound smart), for “where there are many words, there is sin”, not to mention mistakes.

    Like the Southern politician’s view of whiskey, one’s opinion of Palin depends on which Palin you are talking about.
    If you’re talking about the Palin who defeated both the Dems and the established Repubs who were more of a political machine than responsible officials, who rose up through levels of official responsibility out of perceived need for honesty and fairness, who was both a “real person” who was not pretentious as well as a governor with an 88% approval rating,and a person who could have her email hacked with nothing damaging found in it anyway, then people are all for her;
    BUT,
    If you’re talking about the Palin who’s an idiot, who’s a ****, who is known by quotes actually belonging to Tina Fey, who looked bad being asked about the “Bush Doctrine” because it was actually an unanswerable question, and thinks she has spent too much time in the limelight on Fox, etc., and is really a big government tax the oil companies politician, then she’s worse than unelectable.

    If she is unelectable, it is because a majority think about Palin #2, not Palin #1.

    It’s like Obama,
    If you think about the Obama who promised an end to partisanship, an end to politics based on race, a new emphasis on transparency and accountability, and a “new way of doing things”, then you support him.
    If you think about the Obama who has been divisive and hyper-partisan, eager to work the race card and appoint officials who do also (Holder), is anything but transparent, and whose “new way of doing things” is “Chicago’s old way” of doing things, then you’re not so happy with him.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  47. “Honestly, I don’t know if I can take another election where I have to defend someone against such relentlessly doltish attacks.”

    But isn’t this what we’re supposed to be doing? Defending our principles against doltishness? Because of all the candidates, I still think Palin best represents my idea of what America should be. I’d hate that clear note to be lost to the white noise of “electability”.

    AJsDaddie (79daea)

  48. johnny5alive is a drive-by Moby.

    Icy Texan (63dd9e)

  49. Comment by Chuck Bartowski — 9/7/2011 @ 9:35 am

    If and when “the public” stepped up to pay her legal bills for these frivolous complaints, she would take their sensitivities seriously.
    But, they didn’t (in fact, I believe one of the complaints was about a proposed Legal Defense Fund establishment), and she needn’t bother.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  50. >shape of… an ice cascade!<

    form of.. a Denebian slime barracuda!

    luagha (5cbe06)

  51. Book says:

    “I think half the reason I have trouble supporting her is because of the rabid Palinistas online.”

    How about supporting her because she is the only one who stands most closely for a constitutional America and a government that is cleansed of its establisment politicians/ideas, cronyism, and big spenders.
    How about supporting her on the issues rather than a lame excuse for not supporting her?

    Book says:

    The other half is due to the media’s incessant nastiness. Honestly, I don’t know if I can take another election where I have to defend someone against such relentlessly doltish attacks.”

    The media will be nasty no matter who the Republican nominee may ulimately be. They will be relentless and doltish regardless.

    Sharp Right Turn (90fc8a)

  52. And, the best way to “discipline” them (the MSM) is to elect their greatest nightmare to preside over their deconstruction.

    Can you imagine the anxiety in the WH Press Room at the announcement that Sarah Palin would be the next President of the United States?
    There would be more than a few wondering if their credentials would be renewed, and justifiably so.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  53. If and when “the public” stepped up to pay her legal bills for these frivolous complaints, she would take their sensitivities seriously.
    But, they didn’t (in fact, I believe one of the complaints was about a proposed Legal Defense Fund establishment), and she needn’t bother

    You’re missing the point, Another Drew. I agree that Palin had a good reason for resigning from her office. As Dustin noted, it was the right thing to do for her family and the state of Alaska. And, yes, it’s not fair that these ethics complaints were frviolous and were aimed at her personal destruction.

    But the public perception is that she’s a quitter. It’s not fair, but that’s what the public thinks about her. And since it’s the public that votes, public perception is of paramount importance in an election.

    Palin and all her supporters can explain about why she left her office until they’re all blue in the face, but it won’t change the public perception of her.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  54. I think Book is right that some Palin fans can be pretty annoying. I also know that most Palin fans aren’t, and those are the ones we just don’t notice. Furthermore, I suspect some of the more ridiculous Palin fans are just democrats catching two lulz with one troll (attacking both Perry or whoever AND making Palin look bad).

    Anyway, we’ll see by the end of the election cycle that anyone we nominate will get the Palin treatment.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  55. MD in Philly

    Wow – just – Wow

    Interesting revisionism of a failed gov who’s policies are being overturned, who was easily hounded from office, who still insists on highly compensated public appearances and has clearly and completely exhausted her welcome from the American scene –

    Wow – just – wow

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  56. 31. “Anyone expressing support for Romney over Perry these days seems quite alien to me.”

    I have the impression TX Gov. is not the power position in TX politics.

    By the same token, MA averaged 1.5% job growth under Mitty while national average was 5.5%.

    At Bain he made $200 Mil in a decade and a half via equity interests. Haven’t done due diligence here but I envision this as taking a majority interest(his contribution seed money along with venture capital and partners), stripping a business of its peripherals, improving the balance sheet, cutting tax exposure and in a couple/three, selling or launching an IPO.

    All the job creation, if any, follows.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  57. Eric’s rapid descent into rabid ad hom attack troll is nearly complete.

    Icy Texan (63dd9e)

  58. but it won’t change the public perception of her.

    It would if the media were honest in their reporting (but I contradict myself, don’t I?).

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  59. Comment by EricPWJohnson — 9/7/2011 @ 11:32 am

    Another demonstration of Karl’s brilliance.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  60. I have the impression TX Gov. is not the power position in TX politics.

    The governor has less power over LEGISLATION than the LT Governor. As far as political change goes, the Governor is second.

    But it’s a position of responsibility, requiring a lot of administrative skill over a lot of agencies. It’s like running a large country.

    Perry has less ability to force the legislature to do x,y,z, and that’s kinda similar to the Presidency’s relationship to the House Rules Committee (no power).

    But Perry’s fingerprints are all over the Texas government anyway. He simply had to make that happen without brute force in many cases, and if he went too far (Gardisil, for example) he could be stopped.

    When it comes to spending cuts and balanced budgets, or the rainy day fund, Perry made all the right decisions, in my opinion. When it came to managing problems, he’s also done very well.

    In my view, it’s a position tremendously more impressive than governing MA.

    However, Gary, I think you’re right about Bain. I didn’t understand what Romney was doing there until fairly recently, but clearly Romney is a smart businessman. I don’t see this relating extremely well to the Presidency, but it’s still pretty impressive. I’d say it ranks similarly to what Palin did before being Governor, and his governorship ranks similarly to hers as well.

    I think Perry is in a completely different league.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  61. 🙄 Scozzafava supporters accusing someone of raising taxes is just like black democrats accusing others of playing the race card 🙄

    DohBiden (d54602)

  62. Coulter and Ingrahm both represent the belt-way GOP. Coulter has been pitching the RINO Christie, who I do believe is harder to elect and stomach for quite some time. Meanwhile Ingraham has been dissing the Tea Party republicans as being unable to govern because they didn’t accept her version of the sky is falling and want to balance the budget instead. Neither cares for Palin or Bachmann. I would say that the worst endorsement a candidate can get is from these two.

    Wayne (8fd0d2)

  63. I don’t understand EPWJ’s claims about Palin being a bad person for demanding a speaking fee, or for being merely popular with tens of millions instead of hundreds.

    But I never really understood his views on her and gave up responding to them. There’s no chance for a dialogue, as he’ll just repeat himself and ignore any corrections of arguments.

    Palin was a great governor of Alaska. That means a lot of people, especially crooks, disagreed with her. So what? So the oil companies couldn’t get Alaskan oil at a fraction of its value without bribing the Murkowskis. What do I care?

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  64. Laura and Ann are entitled to their commentary, since they too must take an explicit public stand soon. Making a living as pundits means they are expected to say ‘something interesting’ all the time. And ‘explaining Sarah Palin’ is certainly not in their job description. What all this talk will simply achieve is get folks stirred up, and may be nudge Palin a wee bit toward a decision that she herself admitted is forthcoming. Everyone seems to forget that Sarah Palin herself admitted that the end of the month is a good time frame for the decision. Well then, leave it be. Silly to agitate now.

    sharmajee (82be49)

  65. …Romney is a smart businessman…

    and his work at Bain would be a plus in reconfiguring, and downsizing, the Executive Branch, as that would just be another magnitude of what he did in the private sector, and is long overdue.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  66. EPWJ is a scozzafavabot so when he complains about rising taxes just tell him to put a mirror in front of Scuzzyidiots face.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  67. Actually I don’t expect Palin to run, but what I do care about are Republicans looking at the power Obama has amassed in the Federal Government and then using it for their own purposes and to support their own cronies. This is what we must concern ourselves with and I think Laura and Ann don’t care one whit about that.

    Wayne (8fd0d2)

  68. 54. “You’re missing the point”

    Perry has thru Sept. 22, three debates at least, before Palin gets in, to show what he’s got, terminating Shape-Shifter. That part should not be hard.

    Once Palin gets in, with wingman Bachmann continuing to up the ante–Flat Tax, Drilling Anywhere, shut down Dept. of Education–he will feel pressure to appeal to the rabid, moi.

    Whether Palin ‘should’ get in, ‘whether’ she is electable, yada, yada, is a transparent ploy by the Center-Left to cut their losses.

    Raw-boned Perry is the very best you can hope for, suckas.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  69. Well Amerika is now in 5th place. Way to go Washington.

    Wayne (8fd0d2)

  70. It appears more and more that our worst is much better than their best (BHO).

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  71. Comment by Wayne — 9/7/2011 @ 12:03 pm

    ????????????????????????????

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  72. EPWJ-

    Revisionism is when you change the facts about what happened in the past, you seem to be confusing that with what you claim about Palin currently.
    No, I’m not really interested in a dialogue with you over this, as I have seen others with a better grasp of details getting nowhere with you.
    But for the sake of clarity of myself and others, I will elaborate on my points:
    1) Was she a very popular governor with an approval rating as high as 88% at one time, or was that never true?
    2) Did she start out in government serving in a local office as basically a concerned citizen or not?
    3) Was she seen as a popular and competent mayor for several terms or not?
    4) Did she serve on some board/organization that had to do with oversight of the use of Alaska’s resources or not?
    5) Did she run on a platform of being able to manage the natural resources of Alaska in a way more beneficial for the state or not ?
    6) Did the hacking of her email reveal anything that demonstrated personal or official dishonesty or criminality?
    7) Did Palin really say she could see Russia from her kitchen window, or was that Tina Fey?
    8) Did Gibson (I believe that’s who it was) ask Palin about “the” Bush Doctrine (or somesuch) that was a non-interpretable question, because there was no one consistent policy to refer to?

    Now, if you wish 0.1 millisecond of my time spent on seriously considering what you have to say, I suggest you do the following:
    1) Quit being so desperate as to be illogical, one cannot both be getting high fees for public appearances and have exhausted their welcome at the same time. One or the other.
    2) Quit making “overstated and exaggerated” generalizations. Just because she doesn’t have the popularity to be elected president and she is not on feets’ list of favorite candidates for president it doesn’t mean she has “completely ehxausted her welcome from the American scene”. Let’s take a vote,raise your right hand if you’re more exhausted of Obama, or your left if you’re more exhausted of Palin. (Looks about equal, yet one is president and running for reelection).
    3) Give up the “easily hounded from office”. Even if one believes she made a mistake, you have to be a de novo Palin basher to refuse to understand the reasons behind the option she chose.
    4) Just because one person’s work is undone by the next, doesn’t mean what was done was “failed” or “wrong”. It will mean that when ObamaCare etc is done away with, but it would not have been proof that Gitmo was a mistake if Obama closed it like he said he would.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  73. MD in Philly, Palin ran over EPWJ’s dog. That’s the bottom line.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  74. ????????????????????????????

    Comment by Another Drew – Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks

    We’re fifth for global competitiveness according to the World Economic Forum.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  75. 1) Quit being so desperate as to be illogical, one cannot both be getting high fees for public appearances and have exhausted their welcome at the same time.

    Nicely done.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  76. SPQR- Thanks for explaining it to me. I confess, I don’t read very word of every post at PP, and I must have missed it forst time around. It does make an awful lot of sense, though.

    Thanks Dustin. I really like it when someone takes the opportunity to make their own points look ridiculous, it saves a lot of unnecessary reading that way.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  77. Palins job is to be the lightening rod to draw the negative energy. Every wacko leftist reporter following her is not digging through Rick Perry’s trash cans.

    Dennis D (e0b996)

  78. New Hampshire.

    Front Runner for New Hampshire Primary has a public rally.

    Sarah Palin has a public rally.

    Sarah Palin’s crowd was twice the size of Mitt Romney’s crowd. “Palin Fatigue,” my foot.

    Now on to gun-grabber Chris Christie. Number of guns in this house: more than 8. Number of loaded guns in this house: more than 3. Frequency of loaded gun in car while going down the road: close to weekly. Concealed Carry permit: Not Applicable. Chris Christie is the best the totally lost people of the Garden State could elect; he’s just not all that good away from the radical Leftist hellhole where he resides.

    John Hitchcock (7af282)

  79. MD in Philly, I live to serve. 😉

    SPQR (26be8b)

  80. We’re fifth for global competitiveness according to the World Economic Forum.
    Comment by Dustin — 9/7/2011 @ 12:36 pm

    I must have missed it where that was the subject du jour.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  81. But, what was the point in spelling “Amerika”?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  82. I must have missed it where that was the subject du jour.

    Comment by Another Drew – Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks!

    I could be wrong (I tend to give people way too much benefit of doubt), but I interpreted it as a criticism of the current Administration, with the message that conservatives bashing conservatives only helps the radicals currently in power.

    I had interpreted the silly Amerika spelling as a nod to those radicals.

    Now that I think about it, I guess that’s way too much interpretation.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  83. It appeared to me as drive-by snark; thus, my response.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  84. Point guard is not a position for pansies. Wasilla High won a State Championship with Sarah Palin running the show. Nobody hated her then.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  85. Well, her opponents didn’t think that highly of her (Heh!).

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  86. “Point guard is not a position for pansies. Wasilla High won a State Championship with Sarah Palin running the show. Nobody hated her then.”

    On a severely damaged ankle, no less.

    AJsDaddie (27f0de)

  87. I swear tifosa Soros and Charlene Johnson the bicycle whisperer isn’t paying you well.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  88. Romneybots have a lot of nerve to complain about hypocrisy.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  89. just cause she’s unelectable doesn’t mean she’s a bad person

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  90. MD

    After the cash giveaway and after the true story of what she did to the oil companies in Alaska was starting to become more clear her rating plummeted faster than any gov in US History from a 1200 dollars per person purchased high of 93% to crashing to 54%

    and the rest of your “points” are immaterial (and many/most are subject to interpretations) to the fact that she asks for large amounts of cash or in kind treatment for personal appearances and is the first candidate to pretend to campaign fo profit
    And if any of you are truely conservative:

    How can you all reconcile the following:

    According to the Oil and Gas Financial Journal Nov 2010 Issue Alaskas Aces tax is the highest in the world until Chavez using Palins tax as an example imposed the same tax on the American Oil Companies there

    Palin recently stated that she felt that the Corporate tax rate should be zero – compare contrast this with her actions less than 4 years ago

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  91. MD – this is Palin-hate V2.3674858325738599361517485962527857352648314.

    JD (318f81)

  92. Gee, who was Gov. of AK in Nov-2010?

    And:
    Wasn’t she talking about a Corporate Income Tax?
    The “Aces” tax is not a tax on income, is it?
    Isn’t it an extraction fee for each bbl of oil taken?
    Which would make it akin to a Royalty Payment that oil companies pay the-world-around to property owners who have mineral rights on the land they lease to oil companies for exploitation?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  93. AD – facts schmacts. They will not get in the way of it’s Narrative.

    JD (318f81)

  94. Simply no one likes a quitter. Dress it up any way you like. if a few disgruntled Alaskans who can find their way to a guy with a shingle and letterhead scared her into quitting, there’s no way she has the gumption to be president. If she had stayed in office, fought these frivilous suits and done her job, we are having a very different conversation. Tweeting and reality TV shows are not governing. And that goes double if you are foolish and unserious enough to be caught on film hanging with Kate Gosselin.

    Bugg (9e308e)

  95. AD

    Her tax and spending policies are still in effect

    JD

    We are still waiting for any facts that you might have…

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  96. She received an ethics complaint for setting up
    the fund to deal with ethics complaints, that’s Kafka on steroids, this was from Perkin’s and Coie, Obama’s counsel of record, where Counsel Robert Bauer is from, who happens to be married to Mao loving Communications director, Anita
    Dunn.

    ian cormac (996c34)

  97. if a few disgruntled Alaskans who can find their way to a guy with a shingle and letterhead scared her into quitting

    Not accurate. She had no choice but to pay legal fees and task the government with answering ethics charges and FOIA complaints. It wasn’t about fear.

    They always won, but Palin ran out of money and the state was unable to take care of business as psycho politicos barraged the state with BS complaints. Oh, look, she wore a sweater with a logo! Prove you weren’t paid to do that! Oh, look, you were with your daughter at that restaurant! Prove you weren’t corrupt somehow!

    She was the breadwinner for the household, and wasn’t making money. Of course she was justified to leave. She was concerned for her state’s well being and the law enabled FOIA abusers to shut the state down. Of course she was right to end that.

    If she had stayed in office, fought these frivilous suits and done her job, we are having a very different conversation.

    Yeah, if she had magically found ten million dollars, I guess by discovering her real dad was George Romney or George Bush or whoever, she would have been absolutely fine.

    In reality, she had no choice. You’re still right… had Palin somehow managed to find a better way out of that problem, she’s be a contender today (perhaps), but so what?

    Tweeting and reality TV shows are not governing.

    That’s true. She simply doesn’t have enough experience to be a credible presidential candidate, IMO. Some of her media choices were lame. However, I do appreciate some of her criticism of the administration. Palin has actually been more effective than most other pundits. It’s just a fact. So while I wouldn’t want her to be our candidate, I do want her involved.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  98. I find it no end of amusing that EPWJ thinks that continuing to conflate severance taxes with corporate income taxes actually convinces anyone of anything but his own lack of credibility.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  99. I am going to email Sarah and beg her to quit being so mean to epwj.

    There is no “we” waiting for anything, unless you are referring to your many personalities.

    JD (0b8a2b)

  100. Some people should just stick to counting jooooooooooooooooooos.

    JD (ac417f)

  101. JD

    How can you compare/contrast her calling on a national stage for a zero corporate tax rate to the 93% tax rate (according to the Oil and Gas Financial Journal Nov 2010 Issue) that she imposed?

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  102. I’m not seeing the 93% severance tax rate here. What am I missing?

    Alaska – Severance tax: Governor Signs Petroleum Profits Tax Legislation

    What was the “93%” from? Is it some kind of calculation, or is EPJW conflating the peak approval rating with a tax?

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  103. During many years in corporate America I’ve learned that good and successful people have very differing talents that become more, or less useful, depending on the specific situation or a changed business climate. A manager working with a family owned business in the Midwest needs different social skills, for instance, than one working a similar position for a stock company on the west coast. The guy or gal who enjoyed the buzz and challenge of building a company from scratch may not be suited at all to manage it once it’s kind of coasting along and needs some stability. The executive who excels and specializes in new product marketing hype may be near impotent if the product becomes obsolete-ish or experiences a crippled image say from a recall–so you need somebody else to handle that. You usually need a different manager to expand a department and hire people (different skills and temperament) than if you’re scaling down that department, laying off employees, or closing a branch. Someone overseeing a corporation in litigation trouble or managing a financial crisis needs different skills and experience than a boss who was wooing VC investors for that company or preparing for an IPO.

    Sorry for going off on a tangent here but I do think there’s relevance to the presidency. Sure, every president is expected to be a leader, but different times require different talents and different kinds of leadership. As we move into the debates and primary season I hope we can keep this in focus: A totally terrific and successful right leaning person -one whom we respect a great deal- may just not be the right person, right now, or may not possess the skill match necessary to represent team R in a successful run for the presidency in 2012. (And another R candidate, with whom we don’t feel quite as personally or philosophically simpatico, may be exactly the right person for the challenges facing our country right now.)

    elissa (d992ac)

  104. This is for you EPWJ-Scozzafavabot.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  105. Carlitos,

    All oil companies total all the taxes they have to pay, the total tax burden – in the hearings palin was warned that her democrat let new taxes would cause the oil companies to be paying well into the high 80’s and even up to 93% based upon even modest oil prices and they would have to cease state oil operations and any further capital investment in state operated Alaska properties – which they all did

    She was unmoved

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  106. Well said. In theory, we’d do a better job screening for situational skillsets in the debates. Instead we get “raise your hand if you believe in evolution” and what-not.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  107. Comments coming in fast and furious, my well-said was @ elissa up a few rows.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  108. 54: Palin and all her supporters can explain about why she left her office until they’re all blue in the face, but it won’t change the public perception of her.

    Chuck, the media and hollywood have now had three years to forge an impression of Palin on the impressionable. Palin now has fourteen months to forge a different impression. I believe that is what campaigns are for. Do you have any problem with the GOP, and then gneral election, voters making the decision, or would you rather have it made by the media, hollywood, pollsters, and all of the elitist graduates of good schools. I’ll support Palin in an instant, financially and with my vote, as will millions of others, if she gets in. If she prevails in the primary, will you then vote for Zero?

    I’ll gladly support and vote for any of the other GOP candidates if they prevail, even Romney, who was my first pick over McLame and the dismal Huckster in 2008, but I’d appreciate it if a lot of folks would at least let me and millions of others pick presidential candidates, instead of jealous harpies like Coulter and Ingraham.

    Spartan79 (f7eb63)

  109. So, in what calendar year, did which Alaska oil companies pay 93% of what (gross receipts, net profit, EBIDTA), to whom? And how did this differ from years prior?

    (apologies I haven’t been paying attention, since Palin’s on a bus or cable tv or wherever, I always thought she had a good grasp on the energy stuff)

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  110. the wheels on Palin’s bus go round and round all through the town

    but she’s still unelectable

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  111. like a banshee

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  112. Carlitos – it is making stuff up. It does not know the difference between royalties and income taxes, nor the difference between tax rates and marginal tax rates. Daley and DRJ have tried this about a trillion times, with no success.

    JD (0b8a2b)

  113. Between the speeches and Facebook posts, Palin is either a good writer or she’s attracted other good writers to front for her (a skill in itself). Eighty percent is red meat conservative ideology with the occasional deft defense or clever turn of phrase.

    Still, she is unelectable and Mr. Feets should be writing for her because of his clever turns of phrase.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  114. The head in the butt goes fart fart fart.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  115. Doh works blue. Tough to hire. But the fart fart fart part is a clever turn of phrase.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  116. I’m not DohBiden’s biggest fan, but I literally LOL’d at 115. Good stuff.

    EPJW – never mind looking up those figures. If daleyrocks tried and failed to school you on this, I can’t possibly figure it out. I’m not a finance guy.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  117. Simply no one likes a quitter.

    Well didn’t Perry quit the Democratic Party?

    Wayne (8fd0d2)

  118. Okay, that was funny, Doh. Even if you are mean to carlitos and happy.

    JD (318f81)

  119. I just don’t like Palin or any other GOP conservative lady being called a whore.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  120. Carlitos

    Daley has acknowledged that she raised taxes and spending – he just tried to say it was for purity reasons and not what it really is and hates and fights against the raw descriptives that I use to show that a tax is a tax is a tax

    JD is now under the impression that a check cut to the state for Royalty payments is a different type of money than a check cut to the state for taxes – which is an interestingly disengenious divergence from for reals money.

    A Payment to the state is a payment to the state

    Oh well

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  121. Carlitos

    Also when Palin took over in 2007, the previous year 6.5 Billion dollars was spent by the great state of Alaska the most per person in the nation

    Last year 2010 The last year Palin would have been Governor – using her tax structure the state spent 13.5 billion dollars or an astonishing 20K per person

    Then she goes on the road talking and lecturing America about government intrusion and spending

    Also Carlitos this is something you have to ask yourself

    Where do the oil companies “get” their money?

    (from you and me)

    Why would a Republican Governor want a Democrat Authored and Sponsored Progressive tax enacted upon the very industry that virtually employs her state?

    Why would someone quit office and then lecture us on staying the course?

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  122. Scozzafavabot look in teh mirror.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  123. I suppose Eric would only be content if the State of Alaska paid the oil companies to extract oil from the State’s lands.
    It’s only fair, right?
    What a Horse’s Ass!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  124. EPJW, I don’t really want to discuss the myriad of subjective topics you have raised. If you want to answer my specific question (#110) and have a dialogue, you may feel free.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  125. Does that $20K include the oil royalty paid to each citizen of the State?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  126. And, if it does, what does that do to the per capita?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  127. “Daley has acknowledged that she raised taxes and spending – he just tried to say it was for purity reasons and not what it really is and hates and fights against the raw descriptives that I use to show that a tax is a tax is a tax”

    EPWJ – No, do not describe my words for me. You are just embarrassed by taking the “conservative” position of saying Palin should have raised taxes on Alaskan citizens rather than foreign domiciled corporations.

    You always flee the thread when I try to engage you in a discussion of the details of your claims of increased spending.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  128. BTW (according to Wike) the Bonus paid out of the Alaska Permanent Fund in 2010 to each qualified resident of the State was $1,281.00.

    I’ll bet that, and other expenses out of the Fund are part of that $20K/per capita.
    What Eric ignores is what the level of taxation for individuals in Alaska is – which is usually what taxpayers are more concerned about, not how much money the State is spending, as long as The State is not going into debt.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  129. “How can you compare/contrast her calling on a national stage for a zero corporate tax rate to the 93% tax rate (according to the Oil and Gas Financial Journal Nov 2010 Issue) that she imposed?”

    EPWJ – Easy. Palin is taxing the operating profit on crude oil being removed from Alaska. What is the difference in price between a barrel of crude oil and the equivalent in terms of refined products? Do the math and let me know how much money oil companies still make.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  130. The next time epwj, the raging imbecile, characterizes someone else’s position accurately will be the first time.

    JD (318f81)

  131. “Last year 2010 The last year Palin would have been Governor – using her tax structure the state spent 13.5 billion dollars or an astonishing 20K per person”

    EPWJ – I have no idea what the above means. The tax structure relates to revenue. Budgeting relates to spending. Presumably you mean the Alaska government received $13.5 billion in revenues. Please clarify.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  132. Let’s get a little reality here:

    “…The FY2011 budget totaled $8.2 billion, an increase from FY2010’s budget of $8.19 billion…82% of Alaska’s estimated state revenues for 2010 are from oil taxes, royalties and fees.[33] Alaska has the lowest tax burden of all 50 states…”
    http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Alaska_state_budget

    Here’s the numbers Eric, deal with them.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  133. And, BTW Eric, if your Big Oil employer feels put out by the amount of money they have to pay the People of Alaska for the privilege of extracting their oil from their land, your employer can always pull up their rig (whatever) and go drill someplace else. I’m sure the People of Alaska can find a replacement operator to take their oil, and pay them royalties for the privilege of doing so.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  134. Do you have any problem with the GOP, and then gneral election, voters making the decision, or would you rather have it made by the media, hollywood, pollsters, and all of the elitist graduates of good schools

    Where on earth did you get the idea that I don’t want voters making the decision? And why are you making this personal and claim I’m some kind of elitist?

    I pointed out what the public perception is. I noted that public perception is what drives elections more than actual facts (that’s not a good thing, in my view, but it is the truth). And I noted an adage that if a candidate is too busy explaining something, he’s not winning. Nothing I said should be controversial.

    There are a whole lot of people who get their “reality” from the mainstream media (that’s why it’s “mainstream”). That may not be fair, but it’s the way this world works. As a result, there are a whole lot of people with a very negative opinion about Palin. Maybe she doesn’t deserve it, but, again, that’s the world we live in. And, no matter how Palin and her supporters try to explain why she left office, to a great deal of people the only thing that matters is she quit.

    Palin’s got no chance to win a general election, and wishing and hoping won’t change that.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  135. Carlitos,

    From 2003 to 2007, Exxon’s earnings grew by 89%, while income taxes grew by 170%. Much of that growth was overseas. Oil-producing countries charge companies like Exxon dearly to dig for oil. Arrangements vary from country to country, but Russia and Libya charge companies up to 90% of the revenues they collect for extracting oil, according to Fadel Gheit, senior analyst for Oppenheimer (OPY). These arrangements—whether production share agreements or royalty contracts—are not disclosed by companies and governments

    http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/may2008/db2008051_596535.htm

    Of Course this was before Palin as soon

    EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7)

  136. U.S.Census says that AK had a 2010 population of 710,231.
    If (a big if) the Fund sent out 700K checks of $1281ea, that totals $896,100,000 in royalty money paid to the residents of AK for their oil.
    The oil companies paid an additional $6B (approx) to the state to fund the government at all levels.

    Just doing some rough figures using the $8.19B budget figure, and the 82% revenue from oil production ($6.72B) and the production figures for 2010 (652K-bbl/day) gives a royalty of $28.24/bbl.
    You have to wonder how much ARAMCO packs into their bbl price to support the al-Sauds. Since it is widely believed that their cost of extraction in Saudi Arabia is less than $2/bbl, the “royalty” fee to the royalty is a Hell of a lot more than what the People of Alaska are getting.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  137. Carlitos – do you find that answer responsive?

    JD (318f81)

  138. Hi Eric,

    Your point (Palin is a hypocrite because she advocates a zero corporate tax rate while taxing Alaska’s oil companies at 93%.

    JD

    How can you compare/contrast her calling on a national stage for a zero corporate tax rate to the 93% tax rate (according to the Oil and Gas Financial Journal Nov 2010 Issue) that she imposed?

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 9/7/2011 @ 3:01 pm

    …is not supported by your post:

    From 2003 to 2007, Exxon’s earnings grew by 89%, while income taxes grew by 170%. Much of that growth was overseas. Oil-producing countries charge companies like Exxon dearly to dig for oil. Arrangements vary from country to country, but Russia and Libya charge companies up to 90% of the revenues they collect for extracting oil, according to Fadel Gheit, senior analyst for Oppenheimer (OPY). These arrangements—whether production share agreements or royalty contracts—are not disclosed by companies and governments

    Again, feel free to clarify.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  139. No ,JD. Not responsive. Which is why I asked:

    … in what calendar year, did which Alaska oil companies pay 93% of what (gross receipts, net profit, EBIDTA), to whom? And how did this differ from years prior?

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  140. Carlitos

    I apologize for the delay – From the Article by the industry standard Financial Magazine the Oil and Gas Financial Journal Sept 1 Article.

    A large share of the increase in value is captured by the government. Thus the producer does not get that much more at a market price of $80 than it received at $70 prices. Under these cost assumptions the marginal tax rate peaks at 93% at $120 per barrel market price

    The government captures 77% at 80

    Also the experts in the industry apparently reject the notion by other here that there are some differences in for reals money

    At the current (summer 2010) oil market price of about $80 per barrel the marginal tax rate is 77%. This means as price goes from $79 per barrel to $80 per barrel the government would get 77 cents out of that dollar increase, 47 cents of which is the production tax. (The other 30 cents are 13 cents for the royalty and 17 cents for the income tax. (See Appendix for depiction of the detailed derivation of the marginal tax rate.)

    http://www.ogfj.com/index/article-display/3934072006/articles/oil-gas-financial-journal/volume-7/issue-9/features-/alaska_s-oil_and_gas.html

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  141. Daley can correct me if I am wrong, but those rates were pegged to the price of a barrel of oil, and the marginal rates increased with the price of a barrel. If memory serves, epwj is using the rate for an incredibly expensive barrel, while ignoring the normal, and lower prices. Basically, he is stating one of the highest possible rates as the norm.

    JD (318f81)

  142. Carlitos

    Please ead the article, if you have trouble understanding it realize that governments would take even more if they could

    Notice that Palin took more than Arab despots

    Its right there in Black and white

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  143. The manic phases are tiresome, JD. They pass.

    Simon Jester (9797e2)

  144. JD

    Of course and it happened at 100 dollars a barrel Palin Still takes More than Ghadaffi the 90% rate the arabs take is progressive as well at the highest 120 dollars a barrel (which is one of the total reasons for opec – the higher the price the mor they get otherwise they’d go for total volumes instead)

    JD, we can make the argument that they could have paid more but they (The Democrats and Palin) completely ignored all the mountains of financial information – Palin was quite clear this was a punative tax

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  145. It would be interesting to see what Big Oil claims its’ extraction cost (before royalties) is in Cook Inlet and on the North Slope.
    By going here…http://tax.alaska.gov/programs/oil/production.aspx…we can see how many bbl’s were extracted in any particular year. We can then pair that figure with the avg price of a bbl of oil for that year, and I’ll bet that API can provide us with the transportation costs through the pipeline, and via tanker to Seattle/San Francisco/LA-LB where the great majority of that oil is destined.

    We can do all of that, or we can be like Eric and just pull a number out of our butt, and go on a rant about how Sarah Palin is unfair, and kicks dogs, and has weird hair, and Tina is better looking….

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  146. Simon,

    Its right there – the financial analysis is there the collections are there and the results are there

    Why Didnt this come up in 2008? Alaskas fiscal year results IMO (yes just MY OPINION) were not in and the windfall and the affect wasnt available in the short vetting time and with the Problems Palin had in the campaign, il Companies had to bite the bullet and go with Palin over Obama who was who he was

    ir sucked all the way around

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  147. There is no WE. You, only you. I suppose you can source your claim that Palin claimed royalties were truly a punitive tax.

    AD – facts must never enter into Teh Narrative.

    JD (318f81)

  148. JD, you leave out the voices in his head.

    Simon Jester (9797e2)

  149. Effect, not affect. Good Allah. Punitive, not punative. You would think your international investment seminars would have taught you these things.

    JD (318f81)

  150. Another Drew according to the EIA 200,000 barrels of state offshore production dissapeared since 2008

    Coincidence?

    http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_crpdn_adc_mbblpd_a.htm

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  151. What Eric neglects to mention is that his “Arab Despots” own the oil companies that are selling the oil from the wellheads in their country.
    Oops…In 1973, following US support for Israel during the Yom Kippur War, the Saudi Arabian government acquired a 25% share of Aramco, increased the share to 60% by 1974, and finally acquired full control of Aramco by 1980.

    So, when Aramco sells a bbl of oil landed in NJ for $89.73 (today’s NYMEX close), and they have an extraction cost of $5/bbl (I’m being very generous – it’s a lot less), and it probably costs about $2/bbl (or less) to tanker it to Jersey, the al-Sauds are clearing around $80/bbl to fund their lifestyle, and to keep the tribesmen in line.
    And Eric accuses Sarah Palin of raping Big Oil.

    Eric, the more I read of what you write, the less intelligent I believe you are – your own words condemn you.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  152. Its at the bottom of the report guys under state offshore waters

    Problems in production or problems with profits

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  153. AD

    Aramco isnt an American Company if they sell a barrel of oil at 89 dollars thats the cost – we can’t take Aramco

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  154. tax Aramco not take

    Look guys I’ve got to go

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  155. When Palin can tax the Oil Arabs bring to Alaska AD, please give me a call – I will be very curious

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  156. Just where in the Hell did I say that Aramco was an American company, you ….ing idiot?
    I explicitly explained what Aramco is in rebutting your rediculous assertion that Alaska is charging Big Oil more for extraction fees than they have to pay to “Arab despots”, which pretty much applies to all of the ME Sovereign Oil Companies.
    So, fold up your little table, and put your walnut shells and pea back in your pocket, and go find some other suckers to bite on your shell game; no one believes you here any longer.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  157. Companies like GM or Intel are not extracting limited and non-replacable resources. They risk their own capitol and effort to produce wealth, creating jobs, goods and services, and economic growth in the process. There is no just claim by the government to the profits made by these corporations.

    The oil in Alaska is a limited resource. The people in the state have only one chance to be compensated for it’s extraction. The government of Alaska has an obligation to gain them fair compensation. As has been pointed out it is a competitive world market. If the oil company finds the cost too high they can go elsewhere and let Alaska deal with another oil company. This is how America works. If I own something I should be free to set the price I charge to sell my interest in it. Now once the oil is extracted I would agree no income tax should be charged on the profits made on it, but the cost paid per barrel to Alaska is the cost to play, pay it or leave it. If it is too high then no one will buy and they will have to lower the price. If someone does buy it then the price was not too high. This is how free enterprise works.

    Sarah is not a hypocrite for seeing the difference between selling a limited commodity for a fair price and claiming a share of someone’s work. The former is free enterprise, the latter is slavery.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  158. I see no hypocrisy in a high MARGINAL taxe rate on a product vs. calling for a blanket zero corporate tax rate. Income taxes are different from excise taxes.

    Off to Singapore for a chilli crab!

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  159. Machinist

    I agree, but Palin charged more than anyone and they somehow now have the result that 200,000 barrels in offshore state production just went bub bye

    usually just doesnt happen…

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  160. Carlitos,

    In other words, dont bother me with facts…

    I get it –

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  161. Carlitos – spot on. Nuance like that is lost on him/them.

    JD (318f81)

  162. I agree, but Palin charged more than anyone and they somehow now have the result that 200,000 barrels in offshore state production just went bub bye

    Peak oil production in Alaska was in 1988 (2.05MM-bbl/day), and it’s been trending downward annually since then.
    http://www.tax.alaska.gov/sourcesbook/AlaskaProduction.pdf

    Who knew that as Mayor of Wasilla, Palin impacted oil extraction.
    That is one powerful woman!

    Keep going Eric, your clown suit fits you well.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  163. -Comment by EricPWJohnson — 9/7/2011 @ 6:41 pm-

    The oil is still there, it is not lost and will be sold. Does the state need to sell this oil right now? Why cut the price if not?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  164. There is good reason to expect the price of oil to jump if the economy picks up. That would make this seem a bad time to cut rates needlessly with an election coming soon that could remove a big anchor on our recovery.

    If a real estate agent gets you a higher price for your house than you expected would you really criticize the agent for charging more than anyone else as long as the house sold?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  165. mommy why aren’t you running for president?

    cause I’m not electable honey but don’t worry it’s all gonna work out fine

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  166. EPJW – I read the stuff. It doesn’t support your claims. Feel free to illustrate otherwise.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  167. I really am amazed to see this issue get another full hearing. Wow.

    I guess the debate really didn’t matter. I stand corrected.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  168. Carlitos

    Well, then you need to write to the Tea Party of Alaska and the Republicans and the Conservative Governor – because their first order of business is to complete the repeal of her taxes

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  169. Machinist,

    Your are correct the oil is there and until a climate where oil companies can be assured that their long term billions invested in Alaska can have a return, then they will return

    As of this point there is no reason for them to invest their future in Alaska State Lands – that is why they are pressing for the opening of more federal lands where the state can’t touch them

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  170. Also thank you for your example of the real estate agent

    What if the state you live in says you got 40,000 more for your house than you bought it for, congradulations and please remit immediately a royalty check to the state for 40,000 time 93% or 37,200.

    you still made 2,800.00

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  171. last comment was for Machinist

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  172. You truly are an imbecile, epwj.

    JD (318f81)

  173. Again you are missing the point. Income tax is the state claiming they own a part of you and whatever you produce with your time, labor, and industriousness. Are you claiming that Alaska is charging a 93% income tax on these companies, not fees for letting them extract the oil?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  174. Money you are paid for selling your house is different than money you are charged for taking my house. You really don’t see the difference?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  175. income tax is where Jerry Brown steals my shit to give to a bunch of piggy piggy union whore state workers

    do not want

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  176. A closer analogy would be if you want to cut down trees on my property to build your house, I am free to charge a price I think fair for my lumber. This is not the same as me claiming you owe me a percentage of any profit you make selling the house after you build it.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  177. Palin is not perfect but your beginning to be more annoying than her cultists EPWJ.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  178. Eric is a drug-addled idiot.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (64cedc)

  179. Well argued, Machinist. I just am surprised this is still being discussed.

    You’re right. Alaska owns the oil. The oil companies want that oil for as little expense as possible, in order to make as much money. I don’t blame them for that, except that Alaska has extremely dirty politicians like Murkowski who was willing to play with house money, robbing Alaska of her assets. It’s like a real estate agent selling your grandma’s house to his own brother for $50.

    Palin said it would make more sent to charge more. I think that’s fair, but obviously in business one has to put personal feelings aside for such negotiations. No one is entitled to anything except a fair deal.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  180. He really is Otto, with assertions like Aristotle was Belgian, and the London Underground is a political movement.

    ian cormac (d69b60)

  181. Take it up with Jay Hammond, who set up the compact behind the PFUD, he’s a rabid environmentalist, opposing the likes of the Pebble Mine, now, something coincidentally she received an ethics complaint for suppotting it

    ian cormac (d69b60)

  182. Dustin, We see young Mexican-Americans being taught here that America stole the Western states from Mexico but my wife and her family never blamed America but blamed the corrupt Mexican politicians who sold them out cheaply. I think that is or was a more common view there.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  183. EPJW – I read the article that you posted. While it’s true that I am not a finance guy, I understand the difference between marginal rates on excise / consumption taxes and income taxes. You apparently do not.

    I am not impressed with your reluctance to post evidence that supports your claims. In order to disabuse me of this notion, you can please make a logical case for Ms. Palin’s hypocrisy.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  184. Mrs.Palin forgot to flush the toilet and then 5 seconds later shrieked about an overflowing toilet.

    /EPWJ’s proof of palin’s hypocrisy.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  185. Oh Christ, he just said “congradulations.”

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  186. You are not playing fair, carlitos.

    JD (318f81)

  187. When thinking about EPWJ’s dishonest attacks on Palin, consider that he’s talking about oil extracted from public lands. He’s not talking about oil extracted from lands owned or mineral rights bought by oil companies. The “taxes” he is refering to in part substitute for royalty payments that private parties would receive were they private lands.

    This is all stuff that EPWJ deliberately obscures because he is simply shilling for the Murcowski / Stevens machine.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  188. “Another Drew according to the EIA 200,000 barrels of state offshore production dissapeared since 2008

    Coincidence?”

    EPWJ – No, a long-term trend that has nothing to do with Palin. Thanks for playing.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  189. The Valdez spill, which empowered the green forces, almost as aggressively as the ’69 Esso spill, that led to both William Allen’s domination by VECO, and paradoxically inspired
    Palin’s first steps in politics.

    ian cormac (d69b60)

  190. Gngrich-Obama needs to be defeated………..but I love Nancy Pelosi she looks hot in a bikini.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  191. EPWJ – Then let’s talk about Palin increasing spending and then decreasing it when revenues decreased, something a tax and spend liberal you claim she is would never do. You always seem to skip over that part of her term.

    On her increased spending, why don’t you outline the big items of increase for the crowd here. You remember some of them don’t you? They were left over problems from Murkowski’s corrupt administration.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  192. Thanks to those of you with the inclination to deal with the details. I was satisfied by his unwillingness to be reasonable as I suggested previously.

    I think Chuck was stating his view of what the public perception is of Palin, not what Palin is or is not, like my discussion of “which Palin are you talking about” in #47.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  193. Petroleum News:It has become a little known fact that Alaska is a good place to make money in the oil business.

    A new, much-maligned, production tax was responsible for a large chunk of Conoco’s first quarter profit from Alaska, but the rest came from the company’s efficient business model in the state.The new tax system, commonly known by its acronym ACES, was implemented in late 2007, and is based on a formula that increases the tax rate when oil prices rise and decreases it when they fall.

    “Consistent with the lower price environment, we had a benefit of $153 million on production taxes, primarily in Alaska,” John Carrig, Conoco’s president and chief operating officer, told analysts on April 23.

    Clayton Reasor, vice president of corporate affairs for the company, pointed out that Conoco’s “Lower 48 loss of $71 million was more than offset by the $244 million earnings that we had in Alaska.”

    There are also smaller, independent oil companies operating in the state whose executives have said they are exploring in Alaska because of the generous exploration credits in ACES.

    Although the new tax regime imposes an above average tax rate when oil prices are high, thus degrading the overall pre-drill economics of prospects, it also offers companies a safety net when prices drop — something that has become increasingly important since oil prices plummeted in the last half of 2008.

    As far as offshore oil production dropping in the state of Alaska do you think the EPA & the Obama administrations policies have any affect on that?Please read this:Shell Oil has canceled its plans to drill for oil in the Beaufort Sea north of Alaska in 2011 but will now set its sights on the summer of 2012. The company has run into repeated regulatory hurdles in its attempts to explore for oil in America’s slice of the Arctic Ocean. Most recently, in late December 2010, the Environmental Appeals Board (EAB) sent air quality permits granted by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) back to regulators for revision. Pete Slaiby, the VP of Shell Alaska, cited “tremendous uncertainty”—and frustration—during a press conference in Anchorage to announce the decision. The company has been seeking the required permits for the past five years.

    Shell had been prepared to drill in 2010 in multiple sites off the northern coast of Alaska, but those projects were put on hold following the BP oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico. The company’s plans for 2011 called for a small armada of support vessels to accompany the Noble Discoverer drillship to the Beaufort Sea’s Camden Bay, where it would drill in shallow water. No energy company is currently exploring for oil and gas offshore in the region, though exploration is going forward in waters controlled by other arctic nations.

    david (db222a)

  194. ______________________________________________

    Coulter and Laura Ingraham seem to agree that Palin isn’t really interested in running for President.

    Not sure how much of the discomfort expressed by some people (or quite a few, based on polls) towards Palin is because of her ideology, gender or personality, or a little of all three. If it’s the former, she sure as hell is less slanted to the far right than the guy currently sitting in the White House is tilted way over to the left—ie, Jeremiah Wright’s buddy. You know, the guy who not only didn’t mind hearing about God damning America, but perhaps got a cheap thrill out of this country getting such goddamned treatment.

    As for Palin being of the female persuasion, she may split the electorate in odd ways. Some conservative women and men may be unconsciously bogged down by old-time biases towards females in leadership positions. As for virtually all liberal women and men, they certainly won’t be happy with any female seeking office who isn’t a leftwinger, whether a devious flake like Hillary or someone similar to her.

    BTW, if Bill’s wife (ie, the woman who as First Lady dodged sniper fire on airport tarmacs) could push her way into the political limelight without a lot of commotion about her lack of qualifications or good judgment, then what’s with all the hand-wringing when it comes to Palin?

    However, I do admit that Palin can come off too much like the happy-talk newscaster lady, that perhaps she’s a bit too unctuous or seemingly too smiley-face superficial. I’ve noticed that aspect of her persona on more than a few occasions.

    But it is a joke to talk about the shortcomings of any person running for the White House in 2012 when this nation in 2008 elected one of the (if not THE) most low-grade, unreliable, tarnished politicians to ever occupy the Oval Office.

    Mark (411533)

  195. David,

    Oil companies have made money in Alaska in federal waters and on Federal land. Its the state taxation that killed the golden goose

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  196. Daley,

    Palin increased spending across the board according to the audited financial reports in The Satte of Alaska comptrollers website

    Wither that or some imposter signed her name to them

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  197. SPQR

    Murkowski also raised taxes by a huge amount, but Frank is going aroun trying to run for president and I sont support him.

    In other words, gee, Eric has alot of factual information, I’m going to do the cheap lawyer trick of introducting a motive as to why to avoid people looking at it

    The facts are simply this:

    Palin used the 100% support of the Democrats to pass an even greater tax on the oil companies to the point that in most circumstances and market conditions – ITS THE HIGHEST in the world

    Palin then turned around and spent that money by either as the CATO institute said – gave it away as welfare (see high approval ratings) or increased other entitlements such as public sector pensions across the board.

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  198. Apparently, despite addressing David, you either did not read or did not understand what he posted.

    Do you get audited financial reports at international investment seminars?

    You cannot claim facts, and then tell an outright lie. Well you do it, but it is transparent and obvious.

    In other news, Breitbart to be indicted any moment now.

    JD (318f81)

  199. JD

    David needs to post some facts, Conoco is up for sale splitting in two and the strong rumors are it is selling and capping its state fields in Alaska which it bought from ARCO who wanted out due to Murkowaki’a tax increase

    I know JD you are having a hard time reconciling he EIA report showing that State Offshore Production has evaporated since ACES

    Oil Companies usually are in the business of finding and producing oil – where they can make a profit.

    But I am still waiting for all this “debunking” information to come from you

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  200. I know JD you are having a hard time …

    You know nothing of th sort, since it is not true. As Daley, and DRJ, and others have repeatedly pointed out to you, that decline pre-dated ACES.

    Wait all you want. By dnying objective facts and history, you simply show yourself to be the fabulist we all know you to be. How many times do you have to be shown to be dishonest?

    JD (318f81)

  201. Coulter and Ingraham, are much more willing to settle for a Rockefeller Republican, like Christie, opposed to any real critique to Obamacare, to any further pushback against Salafi, and opposed to any further choice schemes, as the sacking of Schundler revealed.

    So much for “Power to the People”,

    ian cormac (d69b60)

  202. JD

    Then if all this you say is true, why are the conservatives in Alaska overturning the ACES legislation

    If its all that – why

    Talk about flying in the total face of reality and ignoring what she did

    JD How many Democrats voted for the ACES Legislation in Alaska in Nov 2007

    Why – I think the answer is – ALL OF THEM

    How many Republicans – less than half

    How many of those Republicans who voted for it are voting to Repeal Aces?

    So far all but three possibly four.

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  203. JD

    So you are on record that raising taxes on corporations to a max rate of 93% is a job creator that stimulates investment and those added costs are not passed on to the consumer

    Are you of the school that oil taxes are paid from money created in the secret vault somewhere in a undisclosed location on Wall Street?

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  204. So you are on record ….

    You follow this cheap rhetorical stunt with lies every time. It is pathetic. It is one of Yelverton’s favorite tricks.

    Seek help.

    JD (318f81)

  205. http://peninsulaclarion.com/news/2011-08-07/conoco-profits-prompt-rush-to-the-bully-pulpit

    ConocoPhillips’ release of its second quarter earnings statement last week set off some political theater in Alaska as legislators (ie Democrats) mounted the pulpit to denounce anew Gov. Sean Parnell’s proposed modification of state oil production taxes

    Second quarter profits by the company show that reducing taxes would be a big giveaway, state Sen. Hollis French and Rep. Les Gara, both Democrats from Anchorage, said in a press conference

    ConocoPhillips said the earnings illustrate just the opposite, that Alaska’s tax structure limits companies’ ability to take advantage of oil price increases, an impediment to new investment, company spokeswoman Natalie Lowman said. The price of crude oil went up substantially between the first and second quarters, but ConocoPhillips’ net income didn’t increase.

    Since we take all this risks of investment, this doesn’t seem equitable,” Lowman said.

    State Natural Resources Commissioner Dan Sullivan jumped into the fray, saying that other oil producing states are booming with new activity, but not Alaska.

    Well apparently Conoco isnt as Happy as some say they are here

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  206. Carlitos – did he ever answer your very straightforward questions?

    JD (318f81)

  207. It’s a Weeble thing, JD.

    Simon Jester (9797e2)

  208. EPWJ has always hated Palin this tax is just a convenient excuse.

    Carlitos don’t expect an answer from EPWJ.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  209. “increased other entitlements such as public sector pensions across the board.”

    EPWJ – Is this in the category of information only you have seen. Do you have a citation?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  210. “David needs to post some facts, Conoco is up for sale splitting in two”

    EPWJ – Are you claiming Palin is responsible for Conoco’s recent split announcement, just as she is responsible for world oil prices? Seriously?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  211. EPWJ – So you are on record saying Palin should have taxed Alaskan citizens at a marginal rate of up to 93% rather than foreign oil companies who would then take their intermediate product out of state and generate profit elsewhere by refining it further? Nice conservative position you have there!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  212. I thought taxes were bad you fool?

    EPWJ this was for you.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  213. Fire doesn’t melt steel.

    Where was Palin on 9/11?

    When a ‘firefighter’ said ‘pull it’, was he really saying ‘Palin did it’?

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  214. “Palin increased spending across the board according to the audited financial reports in The Satte of Alaska comptrollers website”

    EPWJ – Untrue and nonresponve.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  215. nonresponsive

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  216. Carlitos – did he ever answer your very straightforward questions?

    Comment by JD — 9/8/2011 @ 7:39 am

    No.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  217. As a reminder, in #165, I posted a link to the oil production numbers for Alaska compiled by the State Government going back to 1978.
    Numbers that epwj conveniently ignores as they do not conform to his narrative.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eb769c)

  218. Palin can articulate a clear vision of America’s needs while the other candidates have no focus. If Palin was unelectable, the msm would not be hysterically attacking her. We are spending our grandchildren’s money to fund Obama’s leftist fantasies and generations will pay for the trillions we waste. Only Palin seems able to convey this sad truth.

    Unattorney (ab7da1)

  219. Yes the left are so desperate they will attack Bristols way of talking as a disease.

    And will accuse her of abusing her children because she named them wrong.[Debbie Schlusselturd]

    DohBiden (d54602)

  220. things what are more electable than Sarah Palin are include strawberry lemonade cupcakes, Jared Padalecki’s iPhone, the new Fiat 500, and Hunger Games merchandise.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  221. That Fiat is a pretty sharp little car. Not for me. I probably couldn’t fit in one anyway.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  222. The basic, entry level FIAT used to be cheaper than a Chevy.
    At $20K, this one doesn’t qualify.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eb769c)

  223. I never looked at the price tag. I’m sure it’s overpriced because I only see yuppies driving them.

    You probably can’t beat a used tiny Japanese car. Though I just drive a big pickup. It’s like 5000 feet long.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  224. Because I am more manly than everyone with a smaller pickup.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  225. Less food, more running!
    – Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, 9th Circuit.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eb769c)

  226. Things more sexier than Crappyfeet-2006 Ford GT,Michael Jordans basketball career,Peanut butter ice cream,the hulk.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  227. My bad….
    It was Judge Denny Chin (2d Cir.), who said “Run more, eat less.”
    Judge Kozinski said: “Few carbs, less sugar.”
    http://abovethelaw.com/2011/09/another-heartwarming-story-involving-judge-alex-kozinski-plus-diet-tips-from-his-honor/

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eb769c)

  228. Top 5 figures from Greek mythology what are more electable than Sarah Palin (reverse order)

    5. Perseus

    4. Dionysus

    3. Clio

    2. Medusa

    1. Pegasus

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  229. FAIL!
    No Native-Borns there.
    But, if they’re members of AFSCME, they can probably acquire a HI short-form Certificate of Live Birth.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (eb769c)

  230. ok good point

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  231. they’re beginning to fear that Sarah Palin is the only chance they have of holding onto the presidency

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  232. Daley

    According to the financial reports – speding increased and she signed each report as Governor

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  233. spending not speding – sorry

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  234. Spending increased?

    If that were Murkowski as gov you would applaud it.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  235. Sure, Otto, whatever, and Dubai was also perfectly solvent as well.

    ian cormac (d69b60)

  236. A new attack ad for David Weprin attacks Turner as fiscally incompetent for cutting medicare and social security benefits. He still leads likely voters over 55.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  237. “According to the financial reports – speding increased and she signed each report as Governor”

    EPWJ – Don’t think so.
    Fiscal 2008 budget declined relative Fiscal 2007, Murkowski:
    http://omb.alaska.gov/ombfiles/08_budget/Enacted/FY2008_ConfComm_Less_Vetoes_Fiscal_Summary.pdf
    Revenues came in significantly higher than projected over the course of the year and spending was amended up according to the budget for fiscal 2009, which was down slightly from the amended fiscal 2008 totals:
    http://omb.alaska.gov/ombfiles/09_budget/PDFs/09fiscal_summary.pdf

    The fiscal 2010 budget was reduced from fiscal 2009.:
    http://omb.alaska.gov/ombfiles/10_budget/bills/HB81_transmittal_5-21-09.pdf

    If you are looking at different sources of information, please discuss.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  238. Just a free clue for PeeWee:

    The Swill just pegged the Franc to the falling Euro, declining to pay $100 USD for a baguette. Japan will doubtless print another Trillion Yen ASAP.

    Having any lucre, buy bonds of energy companies, water producers, mining companies–the endgame has begun.

    RESET! Everything will be new, again.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  239. 244. That’s ‘Swiss’, as in Chocolate, Cheese, Heidi, and banks.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  240. EPWJ – Can you provide a list of other “conservatives” outside of Alaska, not employed by the energy industry, that are using the same list of talking points against Palin that you have, that she is a reckless tax and spend liberal?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  241. EPWJ – Can you provide a list of other “conservatives” outside of Alaska, not employed by the energy industry, that are using the same list of talking points against Palin that you have, that she is a reckless tax and spend liberal?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 9/9/2011 @ 8:22 am

    As a Palinista myself, I have seen a lot of ABP logic-free attacks, but even they don’t push that false meme. Well, except for EPWJ, I guess. Dunno, can’t see his dishonest comments over here. Had ’em blocked ages ago.

    John Hitchcock (7af282)

  242. Look the same people who call Palin a tax and spend liberal are the same ones who probably believe oil companies need to pay their fair share.

    Your no better than the Palin cultists.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  243. Nah, according to EPWJ, Palin is a Liberal but Scuzzyfavor is a rock-ribbed Conservative. No logic can ever penetrate that meat head.

    John Hitchcock (7af282)

  244. Scuzzyfatso ya mean the same lady endorsed by tax and spend liberals?[Not even actual liberals.]

    DohBiden (d54602)

  245. I still believe Palin is unelectable.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  246. 247),That was really Halcro, and until recently Fagan’s spin, on things, and he is the ‘blowtorch’ station in the state

    ian cormac (d69b60)

  247. John Hitchcock – That’s why I threw in the outside of Alaska bit. It seems like her enemies in Alaska are willing to say anything about her and it doesn’t really matter what side they are on. Energy industry people just want lower taxes, so you know where they’re coming from, which is why they bought all those politicians in Alaska to begin with.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  248. John Hitchcock – EPWJ is just a moron army of one with his ridiculous claims. That’s why he has given up providing links to try to support his assertions – there is no support. Palin did not invent the idea of giving Alaskan citizens dividends from the permanent fund but EPWJ wants to make it a crime. Palin made contributions to seriously underfunded state pension plans left by her predecessors and began the process of pension reform and EPWJ claims there is somehow no obligation for a state to make contributions to pension plans as a reason to fault her for her actions.

    His basic gripe though is that Palin had the audacity to change the cozy relationship between oil companies and the state by altering the scheme
    of royalty taxes, making it a sliding scale of marginal rates which increase as oil prices rise and fall as oil prices decline, aligning the oil company’s fortunes with that of the state. His preferred solution, stated here, was to implement higher taxes on the citizens of Alaska to stabilize the state’s budget issues, which can hardly be called a conservative solution.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  249. Not that it applys, but MN has a index, like 5.6%, written into law, as an increase from the current budget establishing the baseline for the subsequent biennium.

    That means the DFL demands increases and the GOP claims spending is already going up, or the GOP does cuts and the expenditures are still up.

    “What is Truth?”

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  250. I think epwj’s solutions fluctuate directly with the proximity of his khat supplier.

    AD (7d0394)

  251. gary, welcome to the wonderful world of baseline-budgeting.

    AD (7d0394)

  252. Sarah Palin –

    “So, this is why we must remember that the challenge is not simply to replace Obama in 2012. The real challenge is who and what we will replace him with. It’s not enough to just change up the uniform. If we don’t change the team and the game plan, we won’t save our country..”

    Bill589 (e7fa5d)

  253. Who was the first to put the taxes there in Alaska?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  254. Jay Hammond, back in 1976, set up the Permanent Fund, when Sarah was 12.

    ian cormac (ed5f69)

  255. Thank you so blame him.

    DohBiden (d54602)


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