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8/16/2011

Secessionist Calls Bernanke “Treasonous”!

Filed under: General — Karl @ 11:24 am



[Posted by Karl]

That’s the too-funny headline TV’s Andy Levy floated for the too-predictable reaction of the establishment media to TX Gov. Rick Perry’s quest for the GOP presidential nomination.

Perry’s comment about Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is responsible for most of the furor:

If this guy prints more money between now and the election.. I don’t know what y’all would do to him in Iowa, but we — we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas. Printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost treacherous — or treasonous in my opinion.

As is so often the case now, you could watch the establishment media get their narrative into shape on Twitter.  For example, New York Times Washington Correspondent Binyamin Appelbaum found these comments “horrifying,” adding, “Politicians should not threaten violence against other people.”  Politico’s Ben Smith called it “testing limits of cowboy schtick” and statred wondering “whether Perry can keep the loose charm on display this morning without daily gaffes of style or policy dominating coverage” — a though the establishment media does not play a part in that dynamic, blowing up Perry’s comments across the Internet.

The establishment media, wearing out its fainting couch on Perry’s first full campaign day, has a remarkably convenient memory.  Candidate Barack Obama boasted of bringing a gun to a knife fight.  President Obama summoned bankers to the White House to inform them,”My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”  Pres. Obama called Republicans “hostage-takers” and “bomb-throwers”  with whom he was “itching for a fight” for opposing his agenda.  And on none of these occasions did the establishment media get the vapors, despite the fact these comments are more explictly violent than what Perry said.

However, they did get the vapors when, after asking Perry whether Obama loves America, Perry replied that you would have to ask Obama.  Would I have given that answer?  As with the comments about Bernanke, the answer is “no.”  But that is not the question to be asked.  The relevant question is: When did GOP candidates become required to vouch for Democrats’ patriotism?  After all, even after the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the list of prominent Democrats continuing Obama’s example and calling Republicans terrorists, hostage-takers, and so on, from Vice-President Joe Biden on down, is quite lengthy.  And the establishment media never cares about it, let alone demands that Dems vouch for Republicans.

It is all too tiresome and predictable.  It is fairly obvious that Obama’s re-elect campaign will try distracting the electorate from his dismal record by demonizing his opponent.  It is now equally obvious that the establishment media is on board with the campaign, and will embarrass themselves employing the most pathetic partisan double-standards to help Obama win.  Unfortunately for the Obama re-elect campaign and its stenographers in the establishment media, the grim reality is that people outside the Beltway will care about Perry’s penchant for hyperbole about as much as the establishment cares about Democrats’ hyperbole.  Voters did not care about Republican attacks on Obama in 2008 or against Bill Clinton in 1992.  These Dems did not win because the media painted Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin is dumb.  When the economy is bad, the economy is the issue.  As long as Perry keeps the focus on the economy, dissatisfied voters will not much care how colorful his language is in discussing it.

–Karl

80 Responses to “Secessionist Calls Bernanke “Treasonous”!”

  1. aren’t these the same twats what maunder on incessantly about “bankstas?”

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  2. cross post….

    but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas

    Is “Tar and Feathering” still legal in Texas?

    Yah-Hoo!
    Pitchforks, torches, and long-necks.
    Let’s Pahr-Teee!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  3. I got a pocket got a pocketful of sunshine I’m printing money gotsta beat a fall ’12 deadline

    happynanke (a55ba0)

  4. Certain alleged conservatives are calling him out too.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  5. DohBiden,

    I almost included them in the post. Fmr Bushies not mentioning the chill between Bush and Perry, plus pundits who think that their insular Beltway discussion actually affects the campaign. Decided it wasn’t worth the bother.

    Karl (f07e38)

  6. Do those *twits* not realise that Perry simply said that smart aware informed Texans would call Bernanke a Democrat to his face – and there are few uglier terms in the Texan lexicon, nowadays, after all !

    Alasdair (e7cb73)

  7. Perry wrote a book?

    Oh dear!

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  8. Yes he did, and in a few years, upon your graduation from Head Start, you’ll learn to read one.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  9. Our nominee might as well do whatever he or she likes. It doesn’t matter, as the MSM will act the same.

    The 2012 election will be:

    Obama’s failures vs Mythical demonized guy with solutions

    I’m sure Karl could have told me that in 2008.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  10. I would love to see George W Bush endorse someone, with an argument for why.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  11. Here’s one solution Dustin

    Charge admission

    That’s one way to keep out the common riff raff who might ask uncomfortable questions, in favor of an audience toadies who can pay. What’s not to like?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  12. I would love to see George W Bush endorse someone, with an argument for why.

    Kiss of death, bring it.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  13. I’m afraid I find links to Raw Story to be the internet equivalent of spitting in my face.

    They lie. They are everything you guys pretend Breitbart is.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  14. Oh, maybe Republicans can charge $35,000 admission, like Obama does, and that will really allow the common folk in?

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  15. Kiss of death, bring it.

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/16/2011 @ 12:17 pm

    and what’s your point?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  16. GW’s endorsement would be the kiss of death. Not complicated.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  17. The problem with Perry’s comments, is more in the way, he telegraphed the conclusion without the leadup. Had he mentioned something about how QE 2
    had inflated the prices of basic staples like food and fuel, significantly in this country, and exponentially abroad, than the line would have made more sense. No I am not suggesting that anyone has laid out the argument, in print, anywhere, and
    say defended against the likes of the WSJ, who refused to acknowledge the logical extension of their own reporting,.

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  18. Well done Karl! You must have really hit a nerve with this one. Only half a dozen comments before the troll jumped in to disrupt the discussion.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  19. Spurty is just spitting out the standard leftist pablum from rawstory and thinkregress. It is really no different than Yelverrton.

    JD (ac5569)

  20. GW’s endorsement would be the kiss of death. Not complicated.

    Comment by Spartacvs —

    And what’s your point?

    Also, you’re the idiot posting links to a kook conspiracy website. You are not credible. Bush is a more successful president than Obama, and he served two terms. That’s why you hate him.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  21. JD,
    I don’t think he believes any of what he says and may not even read his links. He does a quick copy and paste, perhaps the same one on different threads, and laughs as so many people waste time on the link or post comments disputing the link or mocking him. He got what he wanted and with minimum effort or time on his part. Then he hops over to another thread to do the same thing. I disagree with those who call him incompetent. When an soldier can achieve his objectives with minimum cost, effort, and casualties then you must grant his competence, even if he is your enemy. No one can deny he regularly disrupts multiple threads here using the same tactics and tools over and over. Give him his due.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  22. Why they truly hate him is his refusal to apologize.
    It is so not-PC!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  23. I had guarded respect or mixed feelings about him until he shot the coyote. Now I’m all there. Perry is the man!

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  24. Bush is a more successful president than Obama

    If you mean largely successful at putting of the consequences of his disastrous policies to fall on the next administration. Then yes, he’s was quite successful.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  25. Even if he does want to set up a theocracy and rule as high priest.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  26. Why they truly hate him is his refusal to apologize.

    I don’t hate the man. And it’s not the refusal to apologize that rankles, so much as the inability to realize he was dead wrong.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  27. Printing money – that’said about Arthur Burns.

    I don’t think Rick Perry has any knowledge or theory about economics. He hasn’t the faintest idea of what’s going on except that he latched on to this righteousness or what sounds like righteousness about deficits and printing money. About hard money and fiscal integrity and all the rest of that. Never mind what actually happens.
    or would actually happen.

    Of couyrse the media seems tio be more interested din turning these comments into a “gotcha”

    Nobody’s disputing the substance of what he says, which is typical of Democrats now, even when actuyally they are right that some comments are wrongheaded.

    If he had his way, we could well be heading straight into a depression – and then he’d say it was inevitable and caused by mistakes in previous years. he wouldn’t say the “hard money” policy was what did it. Neither did Andrew Jackson in 1837..

    The one good thing that has happened in the last week was the Federal Reserve Board – no doubt at Obama’s urging (or that of his Treasury Secretary – because it is not clear how much Obama understands himself) and that’s a good thing announcing they would keep interest rates low for another two years. It’s not enough, though, but at least it prevents things from getting worse. Loans need to go out – but good loans. And loans to start-ups. Lower regulatuion and taxes on the first ten thousand dollars made in a business or make that even $100,000 – would help.

    Actually they probably need to keep interest rates low indefinitely because of the size of teh federal debt. That’s waht happened during teh Roosevelt and Truman Admninistrations, until March 4, 1951 when Truman conmceded independence to teh federal reserve BNNoard and the result was a couple of recessions in the 1950s plus huge inflation in 1957. The last time the federal debt was this huge proportionately was during and after World War II and inetrest rates had toi be kept artificially low.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  28. HDB always brings such insightful fairness to discussions here. Hack.

    Simon Jester (4b364a)

  29. the inability to realize he was dead wrong.

    Yet, you’re still alive, and not compelled to speak in Arabic, and observe Muslim customs and traditions.

    I’m terribly glad that he was so wrong.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  30. I realize spart is not serious.

    Sad this is the best progressives can do these days. I don’t see anyone else trying to make Obama’s case. The best they can do is lie about Bush again. Spart actually sounds like he’s crying.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  31. And it is funny when HDB calls other people “dead wrong.”. Which is why, when he has been shown to be wrong, repeatedly, he calmly apologizes and tries to do better.

    Right, you hypocritical hack of an ignorant and lazy troll?

    Simon Jester (4b364a)

  32. …and another thing:

    Could we get some trolls here whose IQ is at least equal to the mean temperature in Yakutsk on New Year’s Day?
    It would be a vast improvement in the conversation.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  33. Yet, you’re still alive, and not compelled to speak in Arabic, and observe Muslim customs and traditions.

    When pray, was I or anyone else in the good ole USA ever in any danger of that?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  34. Machinist is correct, as usual.

    It is more than a bit ironic that spurty is whining about imaginary effects being pushed into the next electoral cycle, when BarckCare intentionally pushed all the most odious parts to 2013, since they feared the backlash once the real effects of BarckyCare became known.

    JD (d48c3b)

  35. Sammy @27

    I don’t think Rick Perry has any knowledge or theory about economics.

    True dat

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  36. -Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 8/16/2011 @ 12:40 pm-
    I don’t know if Perry knows economic theory. I know that after ten years Texas leads the nation in job creation and recovery and whatever the cause,understanding, good instincts,blind luck, or religious guidance, we sure could use some nationally.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  37. Shorter Perry:

    Any action to boost the economy before a Republican can be elected to the WH would be treasonous.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  38. Does anyone think, had Obama been governor of Texas for eleven years, with a friendly legislature, Texas wouldn’t be much like NY and California?

    Anyone who thinks Texas would be doing well after that is simply a faithful religious follower of The One.

    If someone wants to tell me how stupid Rick Perry is economically, they better be able to point to someone better. And by better I mean out of the classroom or op ed column, and with real results. Romney’s financial successes, for example.

    Not Krugman’s financial disasters. Modern day Keynesians propose something that is stupid, and even Keynes would not recognize it as his own view.

    Our debt has created instability, and spending more just to keep an inefficient demand from food stamps rolling along might be Spartacus’s idea of a great troll, but it’s a terrible plan for recovery.

    If Perry is able to run the US Government more like Texas has been run, by getting spending closer to revenue, taxes lowered, and regulation more predictable and less dramatic, we would all benefit.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  39. Any action to boost the economy before a Republican can be elected to the WH would be treasonous.

    Comment by Spartacvs

    So you want the debt increased for sheer partisan purposes? That really is treachery.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  40. Shorter SpartacVS

    mommy can you please call up Obama so he can teabag me.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  41. Shorter spurty – I heart government spending and debt debt debt and failed policies.

    JD (29e1cd)

  42. Oh god did I go too far with that mental image?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  43. You jumped the Megalodon, and possibly the Dinocroc, there, Doh.

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  44. What an odd pairing: intelligent trolls. If by the Lord’s grace such bifurcated creatures do populate our corner of cyberspace, let them come, welcomed, and be recognized.

    But, if such exist and were so inclined, they might hesitate to visit for fear of an unflattering association with pissy petulant mutant troglodytes already polluting the discourse here with provocative banalities.

    ropelight (c63139)

  45. I see that the WaPo article on this kerfuffle notes that Gov.Perry does not, and in the past has refused to, apologize for this and other provocative statements.
    All I can say is that in the words of that prototypical Texan/cowboy/American, John Wayne:
    Never apologize, Son; it’s a sign of weakness!
    Captain Nathan Brittles

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  46. you can’t spell friend without f-e-d

    and also an r and a couple other letters

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  47. Geezuz, rope, where the …. did that come from?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  48. Pure boredom.

    ropelight (c63139)

  49. Downgrade Dead Meat, Resign.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  50. almost treacherous — or treasonous in my opinion

    Perry’s statement is outrageous.

    “ALMOST”?

    malclave (4f3ec1)

  51. Check out Breitbart catching MSNBC red-handed doctoring tape to smear Perry as a racist.

    ropelight (c63139)

  52. Media or talking head responses to Perry’s Bernanke comments may matter less than how the GOP’s business wing responds, particularly if the focus is on whether the comments help or hurt Perry’s fundraising prowess and ultimate prospects for nomination or election. He may have damaged himself significantly out of the gate.

    USNWR:

    To Tea Partiers and government-bashers, Perry’s jabs at the Fed might sound like a welcome challenge to an omnipotent federal agency that routinely manipulates the economy. But if Perry wants to be taken seriously by business leaders and investors — who control a wee bit of the campaign money he’ll no doubt be asking for — he might want to take a crash course on the Fed and monetary policy. Most economists feel that the Fed’s aggressive intervention in the economy since 2008 has been a necessary evil that helped prevent a financial panic and a full-blown depression. Maybe that’s the sort of mayhem they welcome “down in Texas,” but most businesses would rather retain access to credit, be able to count on a stable economic environment, and have customers who are willing to spend because they’re not worried about looming calamity.

    Politico:

    The more immediate political danger of the remark is within the context of the Republican race: Perry very much wants a mano-a-mano contest against Mitt Romney and the irresponsible suggestion of frontier justice for a respected Fed chair threatens that match-up. Why? Because Perry’s comment is exactly the sort of misstep that will worry the many GOP donors on the sideline right now who chiefly want to beat President Obama. The quote reinforces their central fear about Perry — that he has a cowboy problem — and could prompt them to remain uncommitted.

    angeleno (e91900)

  53. He may have damaged himself significantly out of the gate.

    There was absolutely no way to avoid that conclusion from Perry’s detractors, some of whom are in the Romney/Bush 43 camp, but mostly are MSM/Obama.

    Nothing Perry does will be good enough to avoid the ‘gee, he should have done the opposite’. If he’s not edgy enough, he’ll be cast as Pawlenty. Soft. Afraid. Unfocused. Uncommitted. No fire in the belly.

    And if he attempts to explain just how important it is that we stop ruining our currency, he’s crazy and irrational and stupid and his campaign if running wild.

    There’s no reality where these people say ‘Perry’s doing a great job!’.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  54. Since when have USNWR, or Politico, been clarions of the Business Wing of the Republican Party?

    Politico is a reliable, leftist voice of the Inside-the-Beltway CW;

    USNWR hasn’t been reliably conservative since the death of David Lawrence.

    If anything, what we might be hearing here is the voice of the National Chamber of Commerce, who no one would confuse with association with the Main-Street GOP or the folks who make up the TEA Party.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  55. 😆 Angeleno your such a sad sad sadsack.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  56. Well, thanks, Doh. I think of you as kind of a low-rent JD. :-)

    angeleno (e91900)

  57. how is that a nice thing to say?

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  58. happyfeet — our resident expert on “nice”…

    angeleno (e91900)

  59. yeah, happyfeet is generally pretty nice to people he’s engaging in the threads. Not so nice to politicians. Often downright ugly towards them.

    But I can’t recall him ever personally attacking someone in the thread.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  60. angeleno, on the other hand, is more like me. Wavering from thoughtful dialogue to judgment.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  61. it’s not just about Bernanke being a toadying dipstick what would love to help Obama

    the next president who is not Obama – meaning someone who putd in place policies that are reasonably pro-growth – is going to be rewarded with boisterous inflations I think

    and the more printing Bernanke does the worse the inflations are gonna be

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  62. Angwleno – thank you for the leftist perspective. Lord knows that we could not have found that same gibberish at 9651258652 MFM outlets.

    JD (109425)

  63. See, Doh? He writes longer than you. :-)

    angeleno (e91900)

  64. Hey, the bias gets even worse! New thread!

    Karl (f07e38)

  65. “Politicians should not threaten violence against other people.”


    …despite the fact these comments are more explictly violent than what Perry said.

    Ah, where in the quote you provide is any violence actually suggested AT ALL?

    “We would treat him pretty ugly”? Hardly a proscription for overt violence.

    Ex-significant others often treat each other “pretty ugly” among their friends. Divorces often get “pretty ugly”. Doesn’t mean anyone’s on the verge of an assault and battery charge.

    Smock Puppet, Facepalm Expert (c9dcd8)

  66. Amen, Smock. The leftists simply made up violence from that. Complete fabrication. Like with the racist charges. They are a parody of a satire of a farce.

    JD (2da347)

  67. If the Right committed half of the violence that the Left accuses us of, the numbers of Leftists in this country could be counted on one-hand, and they’d all be standing in a line on the Canadian Border claiming political amnesty.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  68. Texas league chucklehead?

    We reportyou decide:

    1st in a series, stay tuned.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  69. 68.Texas league chucklehead

    Oh, the horror! Perry suggested using unarmed drones for border reconnaissance? Oh, what a horrible man!

    Shut your pie hole, butt nugget

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  70. Actually, in the wilds of AZ and CA, they have been using unarmed drones for some surveillance –
    particularly in areas where the Enviros complain about the “footprint” that the BP is leaving,
    a “footprint” that they are strangely silent about when left by the “coyotes”.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  71. Chuckles, you didn’t read the link. Especially the punch line The DHS has been flying drones along that border for the last 6 years

    Perry obviously doesn’t have the 1st clue what he’s talking about.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  72. Idiocy never rests.

    JD (318f81)

  73. JD – you are so right.

    Texas league chucklehead? #2

    “If you’re a tractor driver, if you drive your tractor across a public road, you’re gonna have to have a commercial driver’s license. Now how idiotic is that? What were they thinkin’?”

    Perry points to ‘idiotic’ rule that doesn’t exist

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  74. You don’t even understand how Druid you are, spurty. You are too stupid to insult.

    JD (318f81)

  75. Druid?! WTF

    Stupid stupid stupid

    JD (318f81)

  76. “I don’t know what y’all would do to him in Iowa, but we — we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas.”

    What’s the big deal? I think about bitch slapping the guys in the Federal Reserve every day of the week.

    I figure they have it coming.

    Dave Surls (185519)

  77. Chuckles, you didn’t read the link. Especially the punch line

    I did read the link, butt nugget. And the “punch line” was a broken link. Perry was talking about using the drones to supplement Texas’s law enforcement; the have been used for border patrol, but Perry wanted to expand their mission.

    If you have to sink to such a petty accusation in order to make him look bad, Perry must scare the crap out of you liberals.

    Chuck Bartowski (e84e27)

  78. Druid?! WTF

    Stupid stupid stupid

    Comment by JD — 8/16/2011 @ 7:59 pm

    autocorrect?

    http://damnyouautocorrect.com/category/best-of-dyac/

    ppk_pixie (901c40)

  79. almost treacherous — or treasonous in my opinion

    Perry’s statement is outrageous.

    “ALMOST”?

    Yes, almost. Although it would be treason in the imprecise sense in which that term is commonly used, it would not fit the precise legal definition of treason in the USA, which is set out by the constitution. Even Ted Kennedy’s infamous letter to Brezhnev was not treasonous, by that standard, because his purpose was to help the Democratic Party, not the USSR.

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