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8/4/2011

Florida swings against Obama

Filed under: General — Karl @ 4:59 am



[Posted by Karl]

This morning’s Quinnipiac University poll is no birthday present for the president:

The national debt ceiling deal does not rescue President Barack Obama’s crashing job approval rating in Florida as he gets a negative 44 – 51 percent score among voters surveyed August 1 – 2, after the deal was announced, compared to a negative 44 – 50 percent score among voters surveyed July 27 – 31, before the deal ***.

This compares to a positive 51 – 43 percent approval rating for President Obama in a May 26 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll.

Florida voters surveyed after the deal say 50 – 42 percent that Obama does not deserve to be reelected, compared to a 47 – 46 percent split before the deal and 50 – 44 percent support for his reelection May 26.

Indeed, the Q-Poll shows Mitt Romney and Rick Perry both gained on Obama in the post-deal polling.  Other internals are similarly bad.  NRO’s Jim Geraghty notes Florida women shifted from 53%/40% approval/disapproval of Obama in May to a 46/49 split today.  The Hotline’s Josh Kraushaar  thinks the most scary number for Obama in the poll is the 61% job disapproval among independents, with just 33% approving, noting:  “That’s Bush post-Katrina territory.”  Kraushaar also gives the broader context: “All told, we now have Obama behind/in deep trouble in FL, IA, PA, MI, OH, NH, and NC in the last month.”  He adds that those are “Dukakis ’88 numbers.”

Maybe Obama’s seventh pivot to jobs will turn things around.  Our Orator-in-Chief is taking a thinly-veiled, taxpayer-funded campaign tour through Midwestern swing states later this month.  As the odds of a double-dip recession rise, it may take more than words to slow the ocean of bad news for the unemployed and the Lightworker who desperately does not want to join their ranks next year.

–Karl

92 Responses to “Florida swings against Obama”

  1. Obviously this is due to race now mom make a ham and cheese quesadilla.

    /Spartacvs

    DohBiden (d54602)

  2. Boo. Hoo.

    the bhead (a31060)

  3. maybe if bumble gave a speech?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  4. Or maybe If obama wore his underwear to a speech?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  5. Never count him out in Florida. Remember, scaring old people is something his party does well.

    Icy Texan (093cc2)

  6. But…but…It’s not my fault, those evil Rethuglican Teajadi terrorists held us hostage and forced me to sign that deal.

    Oh, you don’t believe that anymore…
    Well, would you believe…
    Uh, 99, help me out here.
    Chief, Chief, (tap, tap, tap) is this thing working?

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  7. The more American voters turn against the President’s failed policies, the more Obama’s Reelection Committee will respond by deploying it’s shock troops armed with improved weapons and a unified strategy.

    Obama’s Democrat enablers in Congress and their committed accomplices only partially concealed within the establishment media are rushing to escalate their savage pogrom against TEA Party patriots. The Oslo Blood Libel is one particularly egregious example, other recent examples are accusing the TEA Party of terrorism, taking hostages or holding important legislation hostage, as well as the usual equally absurd accusations of racism and violence.

    Obama and the Democrat Party are increasingly seen as failed leaders, actually as miserable failures at job creation and economic expansion. Their tax and spend nostrums have proved counterproductive, and their socialist regulatory dogma is killing any chance of an economic recovery. As voters see the accumulating evidence of catastrophic failure, they reject Obama’s too often repeated televised platitudes and turn against him. Democrats see what’s happening and have decided on a new scapegoat, blaming George Bush isn’t working anymore, it’s become stale and oversold.

    The TEA Party is now squarely in the Left’s cross-hairs. It’s been designated as the official scapegoat to symbolically represent Obama’s rejection, his malfeasance and his arrogance.

    The Left expects the TEA Party’s suffering, isolation, disgrace, and eventual death will serve as a representative atonement for Obama’s apostasy, alleviating the tyrant of personal responsibility for his historic failures, his record washed free so he can spend again and again, and raise taxes again, and again.

    For Obama to be reelected, the TEA Party must be utterly destroyed, public denunciations of unrestrained hatred and abuse are now at the black heart of Obama’s reelection strategy. Hope and Change have given way to Hate and Self-Preservation. Racism, class warfare, public hatred, and blood libel are about to come home to roost in America.

    ropelight (b4d1ad)

  8. What’s funny …, well, sort of …, is that, via recorded messages, Florida’s new Republican Governor Rick Scott is phoning registered voters in Florida about every 2 or 3 weeks to keep them apprised of the wonderful jobs that his administration is doing to bring down unemployment and to bring businesses to Florida and to boost the economy in FLorida, etc,, all of which must gall the POTUS and Democrat leaders in this state, especially since he has given credit to former governor Jeb Bush without ever mentioning former governor Charlie Christ’s name.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  9. Before Barcky, Floridians were not racist. Denounced and condemned.

    JD (306f5d)

  10. How is this good news? We’ve been through two and a half years of nothing but failed policies and massive incompetence, yet 42% thinks he deserves re-election.

    This a sign that Republicans, not Obama, are in serious trouble.

    Chris (5fc583)

  11. 42% are the brain-dead retirees along the Gold Coast who couldn’t figure out how to use a “butterfly ballot”.
    They’re the last remnants of the Yellow Dogs.

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  12. If you add together the black vote, the ultra liberals, unions, and the other dyed in the wool Dems, how could you not get close to 42%.

    Nice attempt to shift the discussion. Next time, could you work in Haliburton, or the the evil George Bush?

    the bhead (a31060)

  13. Uh are you dumb those are Obamas loyal base why ar eyou comparing him to the haters on your side?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  14. Indeed, the Q-Poll shows Mitt Romney and Rick Perry both gained on Obama in the post-deal polling. 

    In other words, the public doesn’t like the deal – go figure?

    Spartacvs (5b1488)

  15. #5 – Not to worry. Actually, Obama’s most avid supporters in Florida are/were, in descending order, Jewish voters, women voters and college kids, [not] elderly voters, except for those in 2 of 3 aforementioned categories, and the influx of new jobs in Florida has been accompanied by a steady stream of young-to-middled aged voters, who offset those three categories. Besides, Obama’s support is steadily declining in those three categories, also, because a lot of those people who voted for Obama are now having buyer’s remorse. Obama doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of winning in Florida. He is already done. Stick a fork in him.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  16. In other words I like Obama’s teabags in my epiglottis? go figure.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  17. I’m just distressed that Obama’s approval rating is still as high as it is. Considering the catastrophic situation we’re in, it should be at least 15 points lower, he should be trailing Romney by 10 points instead of tied.

    Chris (5fc583)

  18. ___________________________________________

    I recall a large percentage of people, based on various opinion polls from the early 2000s, saying the country was headed in the wrong direction back when Bush II was president. That was when unemployment was noticeably lower than it is today, BEFORE it had reached the level we’re now accustomed to.

    That was before the dynamics of “goddamn America” had entered the White House. That was before a time when news reports in the media of negative economic data often contained the word “unexpectedly”—when articles that showed okay to even good data often dourly noted the concept of “burger-flipping jobs.”

    Ignorance and stupidity among the electorate may have been excusable back in the age before easy access to information, before the age of the Internet. But not today and not around November 2008.

    There are plenty of folks in this country who are no less foolish than all the people in countries like Venezuela (who still embrace Hugo Chavez at around 50%) or Mexico (who elected a non-Socialist a few years ago only because the left split its votes among 2 liberals in a 3-way race for the Mexican presidency). And there are plenty of Americans who are no less screwed up ideologically than are many of the people in societies like France and Greece.

    The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.”

    “The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

    The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.

    BTW, there was a report a few days ago touting how the unemployment rate in Mexico is currently lower than it is in the US. That information pointed out the irony of a society long seen as desperately dependent on America — and long chastised for its major role in illegal immigration — now actually doing better than its neighbor to the north.

    That data truly was unexpected to me. It truly seemed unexpectedly too good to be true. Well, I guess it was.

    indexmundi.com:

    Mexico Unemployment rate

    1980…1.2
    1981…0.9
    1982…4.2
    1983…6.1
    1984…5.6
    1985…4.4
    1986…4.3
    1987…3.883
    1988…3.542
    1989…2.925
    1990…2.742
    1991…2.692
    1992…2.83
    1993…3.43
    1994…3.7
    1995…6.23
    1996…5.45
    1997…3.73
    1998…3.16
    1999…2.5
    2000…2.2
    2001…2.757
    2002…2.978
    2003…3.406
    2004…3.916
    2005…3.579
    2006…3.592
    2007…3.718
    2008…3.958
    2009…5.467
    2010…5

    ___________________________________________

    Mark (411533)

  19. I don’t think we’ll win in PA.

    Florida of course is a different matter.

    In other words, the public doesn’t like the deal – go figure?

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/4/2011 @ 8:33 am

    Sadly, that will not make a big impact on Obama’s supporters, who are largely going to have forgotten all about that. It will galvanize the Tea party, I hope. Obama’s plan will be to demonize the living hell out of whoever he is running against.

    The voters will be deciding if their fears about Obama’s competitor being crazy, evil, and extreme outweigh the fact Obama is doing a terrible job.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  20. Stock market swings against Obama.

    The 26-month stock rally was the only good “economic” news BHO had.
    (FD: I made a killing on that rally, then sold most of my longs in April.)
    If the stock downturn continues, BHO has nothing, NOTHING, left to celebrate on the domestic front.

    Meanwhile, look for a good buying opportunity sometime in the next 18 months. If S&P500 goes below 800, buy it!

    gp (72be5d)

  21. #19 – I believe that a Republican candidate for POTUS [will] win in Pennsy.

    To take it one step further, I predict a landslide in [at least] 47 of the 50 states to oust Obama and his entire administration.

    Remember, people aren’t just exasperated with Obama. They have become upset with the outrageous behavior of, primarily, those four chronic screw-ups, Clinton, Holder, Napolitano and Geithner, too.

    (In fact, I know black people who are thoroughly disgusted with this current administration, and even if they are representative of only a small number of black people, Obama is still in big trouble with his base. In fact, speaking of Florida, a surprisingly large number of black voters voted for that state’s very popular Republican, Marco Rubio, in the 2010 election, not for the Democrat’s black candidate, Meeks, who trailed Crist by a large margin in that 3-way race, also. In fact, members of the MSM seem to be the [only] people who are still firmly in Obama’s camp, and they are being so discredited day-by-day that those liars should have only a marginal effect on the outcome of the 2012 election. I’m very optimistic that we will win. In fact, I’m so confident that I’ve ruled out the remote chance that we will lose. They might not admit it, but everybody recognizes by now that this current administration has been an unmitigated disaster.)

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  22. The only reason Obama is anywhere near 42% is because the polls are crooked as a dog’s hind leg.

    Over representation of Democrats in the sample is today’s standard deception used to obtain predetermined results. However, as more and more Democrats become disenchanted with Obama’s failures, even more selective measures will be employed. Eventually pollsters will simply have no choice but to pretend to have sampled public opinion as they report pure baloney.

    ropelight (b4d1ad)

  23. I think Spartac is brain dead.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  24. I think Spartac is brain dead.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  25. #10 – Nah, going all of the way back to the days of Reconstruction, the combined groups of Democrats and Independents have always outnumbered Republicans in Florida by a large margin. When the Republicans win, it’s because they get votes from Democrats and Independents. That might be changing, though. Democrats in Congress and in the current administration have alienated [a lot] of Democrats in Florida.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  26. In other words, the public doesn’t like the deal – go figure?

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/4/2011 @ 8:33 am

    The public did not like the deal because it did not cut enough. A majority wanted no raising of the debt ceiling at all.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  27. Comment by Chris — 8/4/2011 @ 8:44 am

    It’s the Bradley Effect!

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  28. Give the Socialist-In-Chief warm birhday greetings-

    http://www.barackobama.com/get-involved

    My epistle-

    Go back to Chicago, Socialist!

    Bugg (9e308e)

  29. If you’re not listening to Rush, you should…
    he’s on a rant on the polling data, and how we’re getting screwed by “our” elected reps.

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  30. It’s a very curious phenomenon, but it’s obvious Obama doesn’t have control of Washington. No president truly has, but even with a majority in house and super majority in the Senate he couldn’t get much done. He’ll be gone in 2012, despite what many people think.

    Stephen (0ba269)

  31. Thanks for the tip, AD. Rush speaks truth to authority.

    ropelight (b4d1ad)

  32. Spartacus isn’t so bad. Sometimes he is so ditzy that he is funny.

    In fact, the [only] problem that I have with his positions on issues is that apparently he fails to recognize that, although Democrats portrayed G.W.Bush as an arrogant and spoiled, rich kid with no empathy for the working class and with no qualification to be POTUS, and although Democrats portrayed B.H.Obama as “a man of the people”, the truth of the matter is that G.W.Bush was a humble man of the people with a sincere and genuine concern for what was in the best interests of all of Americans, and it has been B.H.Obama who has shown clearly and repeatedly that he is an empty suit and a street hustler and a useless, decadent dilletante, who doesn’t have any executive, managerial or leadership skills, absolutely none whatsoever, and who imagines himself to be royalty, condescending to the American people.

    Yeah, there is stark contrast between Bush and Obama alright. But with their usual shallowness, the Democrats’ shills in the MSM reversed which one was is the bumbling, incompetent dilletante and which one was a man of the people, and a real man, and a man’s man, too.

    Maybe Spartacus [does] realize that, but he just too obstinate to admit it, which is no big deal, because that is his prerogative. In any case, he is no dummy. So I’m optimistic that he will come around. He won’t admit it, but I’ll bet that either he won’t bother to vote in the 2012 election, or he will vote for the Republican candidate for POTUS, just to get rid of that disruptive, destructive and divisive dilletante who currently resides in the White House.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  33. Summit, you’re as crazy as a shithouse rat.

    ropelight (b4d1ad)

  34. __________________________________________

    G.W.Bush was a humble man of the people with a sincere and genuine concern for what was in the best interests of all of Americans

    I think the symbolism of Bush’s house in Texas being actually somewhat rather eco-friendly (assuming that even matters when it comes to the big picture, or the supposed reality of global warming), while people like Al Gore live the high life in their huge energy-sucking mansions in places such as Tennessee or, more recently, Santa Barbara, says it all.

    And that’s only a tip of the iceberg of the phony-assed nature — of the phony compassion, shallow generosity and manipulative tolerance — of leftist bias found in far too many people.

    Mark (411533)

  35. For about a year I’ve had a creeping suspicion that Obama isn’t running next year. If he’s in the high 30s on New Year’s Day I think the Dems start sending trial balloons for a Plan B (though I have no idea what that is but has to have Obama’s blessing, which shouldn’t be hard: do you want Carter’s legacy or LBJ’s?).

    If this were your business, you’d change horses if the horse you were on couldn’t win (and that’s got nothing to do with Obama himself, just the situation: President attached to a bum economy).

    East Bay Jay (2fd7f7)

  36. For about a year I’ve had a creeping suspicion that Obama isn’t running next year.

    Join the club.
    I’m sure he’ll find that $Billion will come in handy in retirement.

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  37. “So I’m optimistic that he will come around.”

    Summit, N.J. – Don’t hold your breath, the forces of the dark side are strong in that one.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  38. Evil thrives where stupidity lives.

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  39. (and that’s got nothing to do with Obama himself, just the situation: President attached to a bum economy).

    It isn’t just the economy. The chronic screw-ups in the Obama Administration are “attached” to the complete destabilization of the entire Middle East, too, which, not surprisingly, the MSM hasn’t been covering lately, because it has gotten even worse, much worse, for which we can blame the incompetence of Obama and Clinton, neither one of whom will be viable candidates by the time that the 2012 election rolls around. (Never mind that that political hack, Panetta, has shown himself to be a bumbling, incompetent twit, too.)

    BTW, do you really seriously believe that it is just the dismal economic, unemployment and rising inflation situations and not Obama’s personality and his poor judgment that are the cause of his growing unpopularity? Get real.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  40. Say, how’s Hillary’s Great Reformer doing in Syria?…

    and, thinking of Libya, how do you measure the length of those “days, not weeks”?…

    plus, will the legions of the Left (DU, DailyKos, PuffHost) hold a “bake sale” to support the “victims” of the FAA shutdown?

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  41. Now, that Seif Quaddafi is getting together with the Islamists, ‘nothing to see here’

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  42. Summit, N.J. – Don’t hold your breath, the forces of the dark side are strong in that one.

    Nah, he’s just a ball-buster, and he is spunky; e.g., the more people pick on him, the more prickly he gets. Although he’s so ditzy and exasperating at times that he would try the patience of a saint, I think he’s funny. He cracks me up.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  43. It will galvanize the Tea party

    I like that idea. Then we could make statues and put them up in public spaces to remind folks of the monumental stupidity of electing so many teabaggers to Congress in the 2010 midterms.

    Spartacvs (40e0a8)

  44. Nah, he’s just a ball-buster, and he is spunky; e.g., the more people pick on him, the more prickly he gets. But what’s, well, um, nice and kind of interesting, too, is that he doesn’t appear to take insults personally, and he is a good sport, and if you’ll notice, he doesn’t appear to hold a grudge, and he doesn’t attack anyone in particular. In his own way, he is one cool, little dude. Think of him as, well, Snow White’s entertaining and loopy, little dwarf, Dopey. Works for me.

    That’s all that I have to say about that. That little dude can take care of himself.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  45. G.W.Bush was a humble man of the people with a sincere and genuine concern for what was in the best interests of all of Americans

    You mean like invading Iraq on false premises, then deciding to occupy it and supply a modern day Raj to administer the place, staffed with home schooled interns and GOP operatives? The verdict is in and the Messinpotamia turned out to be a huge net negative. Ditto the Bush tax cuts & “deficits don’t matter”.

    Spartacvs (40e0a8)

  46. #44 – Gee, and here I thought that Iraq became fly paper, drawing Muslim terrorists from all over the world (including southeast Asia) to be slaughtered by our troops before they could commit terrrist acts against people in this country. But I suppose I had that all wrong, huh Dopey?

    Bush’s policies kept your sorry ass safe for 7 of the 8 years that he was in office, and his policies are continuing to keep you safe during the current administration’s tenure in office …, and BTW, Dopey, don’t be so foolish as to raise the issue of 9/11, because the irrefutable facts of the matter were that it was the gross incompetence and negligence of the Clinton Administration that led to the events of 9/11. Guess your boy, Clinton, was too busy getting blow jobs from Monica to see to the safety of this country, huh Dopey?

    You raised more issues here about which you don’t know squat. But do try again. You’re so ditzy, lame and clueless that you’re funny and entertaining.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  47. I do not find Spurty either funny or entertaining. Spunky?? Cool little dude? Nope. Therefore, I find I also must question your standards concerning trolls, Summit.

    elissa (57f8bd)

  48. #46 – You’re entitled to your opinions, elissa. Gee, I lost a whole night’s sleep last night worrying about your opinions of me. Some of us march to the beat of a different drum, sweety.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  49. I thought that Iraq became fly paper

    Moral bankruptcy on line #1

    Bush’s policies kept your sorry ass safe for 7 of the 8 years that he was in office, and his policies are continuing to keep you safe during the current administration’s tenure in office

    What specific threat to my safety did Iraq represent and exactly how did Bush policies keep me safe from this threat?

    don’t be so foolish as to raise the issue of 9/11, because the irrefutable facts of the matter were that it was the gross incompetence and negligence of the Clinton Administration that led to the events of 9/11.

    irrefutable facts Cite please.

    Spartacvs (40e0a8)

  50. Then we could make statues and put them up in public spaces to remind folks of the monumental stupidity of electing so many teabaggers to Congress in the 2010 midterms.

    Shorter Sparty: “MONEY COMES FROM ELVES AND WORMHOLES A BLOO BLOO BLOO!!!”

    Another Chris (c04459)

  51. Rush speaks truth to authority.

    Retract punk, or face the consequences. Rush is the authority.

    Spartacvs (40e0a8)

  52. Well one can start with the December 1998 PDB, that was actually more detailed, naming the particular
    organizers of what would become the Sept 11th plot, Seyf al Adel, and the now late Mohammed Atef, what
    did Clinton do in reaction, precious little, besides conducting the trial of the Embassy bombers.There was no pulling the trigger, with the targeting of Bin Laden, in 1999, at the Falconry camp with the UAE prince, they caught the Millenium bomber Ressam, only by the eagle eye of Customs official Deanna Dean, not any administration wide effort(the details of which, were purloined and destroyed by Sandy Berger,

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  53. Retract punk, or face the consequences.

    LOL–as if Sparty the Hover-Handed Neckbeard wouldn’t melt in 15 seconds if sh** ever got real.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  54. The public did not like the deal because it did not cut enough. A majority wanted no raising of the debt ceiling at all.

    A majority of tea baggers maybe, there is a bigger world out there than your mom’s basement.

    Spartacvs (40e0a8)

  55. Hover-Handed Neckbeard

    What does that even mean?

    Spartacvs (40e0a8)

  56. A majority of tea baggers maybe, there is a bigger world out there than your mom’s basement.

    As if you inhabit a world any larger than your internet hugbox.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  57. I hate to interupt this mutual admiration society, but is anyone concerned that the DJIA is going to have a 500-pt loss today?

    I’m sure glad we settled that Debt Ceiling flap so this wouldn’t happen;
    just like we spent $800B on Stimulus so that unemployment wouldn’t go above 8%.
    Is there anyone with any competance anywhere in this administration?

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  58. Further evidence of the stupidity of electing Obama, 17 straight weeks of jobless claims of 400,000 and above. Democratic policies continue to cripple US economy. And Democrats don’t care.

    SPQR (b381a9)

  59. irrefutable facts Cite please.

    LOL, yeah, right. No, ditzy, [you] provide credible facts which refute my allegations. (The word, credible, was the buzz word there.) I’m not going to spin my wheels, only to find that you won’t bother to read my substantiations, as you’ve already done here.

    What specific threat to my safety did Iraq represent and exactly how did Bush policies keep me safe from this threat

    Um, I answered that question already in post #45. Please try to keep up, ditzy …, and, oh yeah, do work on your reading comprehension.

    Next? (C’mon, give me a contest here?) :-)

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  60. Spartacus knows how dishonest his comments are.

    SPQR (b381a9)

  61. I hate to interupt this mutual admiration society, but is anyone concerned that the DJIA is going to have a 500-pt loss today?

    Not really. The rise to 12k was never based on reality. In early 2010, the DOW was heading for a double-dip until someone(s) or something began pushing out rumors that Greece would be bailed out–every positive rumor resulted in a stock market goose. During the summer, the rise continued because Bernanke was intimating that QE2 would take place, so the traders allowed the HFT algos to churn along until that process began.

    The markets don’t have anything to go on right now to play make-believe anymore. Greece is tottering, Ireland, Spain, and Italy aren’t too far behind, Germany is rapidly becoming the one-stop shop for bailing out the Eurozone, and in the US, employment is still at 30-year-lows despite all of the intervention and funny-money crack that DC and the Fed have thrown at the problem.

    The shopping mall economic model that’s kept the American–and by extension, the world–economy on life support since the mid-1970s finally ran out of gas in 2008, but it’s been kept on “Weekend at Bernie’s” status by a lot of “extend and pretend” instead of “take the medicine.”

    Another Chris (c04459)

  62. SPQR, This is for you:

    Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe.
    The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword;
    because the whole body of the people are armed,
    and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.

    –Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, 1787

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  63. Comment by Another Chris — 8/4/2011 @ 1:28 pm

    Bernanke washed – what – $600B through QE-2, and now there is talk of QE-3.
    Plus, the Govt borrowed several Billion$ before the ink was dry on Obummer’s signature on the “Budget Act”.

    Saying that we’re operating on Monopoly Money, is an insult to Milton-Bradley.

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  64. Opps…several hundred Billion$!

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  65. “You mean like invading Iraq on false premises…”

    You lie like a rug.

    Btw, how’s that war on Libya thing working out for ya?

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  66. “Guess your boy, Clinton, was too busy getting blow jobs from Monica to see to the safety of this country, huh Dopey?”

    I reckon that pretty well sums it up all right.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  67. Dave, we have yet to find out how long those “days” are in “days, not weeks”.
    But, Barry is committed to see this out to the last Frenchman.

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  68. Peekaboo, Spartacus, where arrrrre you?

    Ole, ole, Olsen fee, come out, come out wherever you are.

    Ducking and running for cover [already]???

    And gee, I was just getting warmed up.

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  69. ==I’m not going to spin my wheels, only to find that you won’t bother to read my substantiations, as you’ve already done here==Comment by Summit, N.J. — 8/4/2011 @ 1:21 pm

    Summit, sweety— that was sort of the point I was trying to make above at #46 about our friend Spurty. We’ve all been down this road of futility with him many times. He does not debate either intelligently or honestly.

    elissa (57f8bd)

  70. We made a deal with a state sponsor of terrorism. Obama then stabbed the guy we just made a deal with, in the back, by dropping bombs all over him. He then leaves K-Daffy in power, because Napoloeon Obamaparte is too incompetent to finish him off (and also because the lives of American citizens are right down at the bottom of Obama’s priority list), thus pretty much guaranteeing that K-Daffy will emoploy terror attacks against U.S. citizens to get revenge.

    Obama is a worthless piece of crap. He should be impeached and removed from office just for this alone. And, so should anyone connected with his corrupt and incompetent administration.

    Only an utter moron would double-cross a terrorist, and then leave the terrorist alive. And, that’s what Obambi is…a moron.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  71. #68 – Hmmm, well, you see, I don’t want to debate him. I just want to play with him and to screw with his mind a little, not enough to cause brain damage or to get his head to explode. Just enough to get his brain to short-circuit.

    I kind of surmised already that he isn’t up to the task of rationally defending his screwy positions on issues. It would be fun to convert him, though, wouldn’t it? If it works, hey, maybe I’ll open a clinic. (Don’t take him or me so seriously. Even I don’t take myself seriously.)

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  72. “…straight weeks of jobless claims of 400,000 and above. Democratic policies continue to cripple US economy. And Democrats don’t care.”

    They care.

    They care about getting power and keeping it.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  73. According to Kirpatrick in the Times, Seif and at least one branch of the Islamists are working together against the rebels, personally, I think
    the lad is way above his head right now,

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  74. AD, I’ll take good Noah’s words to heart.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. SPQR, you can get more of these gems at …
    http://patriotpost.us/subscribe

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  76. Obama and Clinton, neither one of whom will be viable candidates by the time that the 2012 election rolls around

    You really think so? I don’t see it. I think Clinton is already preparing for her break with Obama; when she’s ready she’ll find some matter of deeply felt principle over which to resign and challenge him. The unofficial but real theme of her campaign will be “see what fools you were not to vote for me four years ago”, just like Kennedy’s campaign in 1980. She’ll run as “the competent Democrat”, and tout the myth of the halcyon days of the ’90s, when all was flowers and kittens.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  77. You mean like invading Iraq on false premises

    Really? The authorization to use military force against Iraq lists 23 “whereases” as its premises. Which of them do you claim was false? And—assuming that set to be non-empty—which were known, or could reasonably have been known, at the time to be false?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  78. Please, Milhouse, he must conform to Teh Narrative.

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  79. “Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and
    Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;”

    “…Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;”

    End o’ story, and buh-bye Baathists.

    “You mean like invading Iraq on false premises”

    He lies.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  80. It is really strange to hear democrats complain about the justification for war with a country that fired on us hundreds of times each year as we patrolled a no-fly zone. That no-fly zone protected innocent people, and was upheld by international agreement.

    Whether you think war was prudent, it clearly was justified.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  81. Oh, Nos, Dustin…
    “War is never the Answer!”

    AD-RtR/OS! (cbda31)

  82. The war itself wasn’t the problem. It was failing to keep existing Iraqi institutions in-place functioning to maintain basic services and keeping order.

    It’s not rocket science, it’s fundamental statecraft, from the instinctual administration of conquered lands by Alexander the Great, to the well defined methods of Niccolo Machiavelli: the wise Prince replaces top local leaders with trusted subordinates, changes the policies to advance his interests, and reassures the population their familiar agencies will continue to provide expected services.

    George W Bush and his advisers ignored the harsh lessons of history and their foolish arrogance is largely responsible for ongoing Iraqi instability today.

    ropelight (5e00d7)

  83. Yes, that ‘the Cracker Barrel’ argument, the fact
    that the majority of the people in Iraq, were ill served by the Baathist clique, who had looted the country for thirty five years, really does argue
    against that.

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  84. Big Zero’s “Taxpayer-funded Swing State Bus Tour 2011″ will turn things around!

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  85. #83, ian, that’s why you replace the previous Baathist leaders and change the policies to serve the people instead of the interests of the previous corrupt regime. It maintains continuity and demonstrates a commitment to improve things. Consequently, the population is more likely to cooperate rather than to organize resistance movements.

    We can either learn from history or repeat the mistakes of the past. It’s a shame Bush chose the latter.

    ropelight (5e00d7)

  86. #82 – “foolish arrogance”?

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  87. Conan O’Brian, as reported by Peggy Noonan:

    There was drama at the White House this week when a man tried to hurl himself over the fence. But the Secret Service intervened and talked the president into going back inside and finishing his term.”

    AD-RtR/OS! (928bec)

  88. Comment by ropelight — 8/5/2011 @ 4:46 am

    GW was sold the State-blarney by Powell, and put the detestable L. Paul Bremer in to muck things up as only a diplomat can do, instead of leaving some troops in a few defined encampments, and turning the country over to the Iraqi’s from the get-go, which was the original plan (it seems that the striped-pants set at Foggy-Bottom didn’t like the CIA connections of Chalabi, and got Powell to sell their plan – which turned out so well (not) in retrospect).

    AD-RtR/OS! (928bec)

  89. #87 – LOL

    Summit, N.J. (75c9eb)

  90. #76 Millhouse – I suspect that Hillary Clinton has gotten all of the free rides on Bill Clinton’s coat tails that she is going to get. Her 15 minutes of fame are up.

    As you might recall, her short-lived, nefarious venture with Rose Law Firm was a fiasco. She didn’t accomplish anything significant or even worthwhile when she was one of New York’s Senators. She has been a disaster as Secretary Of State, making a complete fool out of herself repeatedly. Her marriage to Bill is a sham and a very sick joke.

    I suspect, also, that she is in politics strictly for the social life; i.e., the parties, prestige and other such perks.

    Contrary to the image that she portrays, she is a very shallow woman, imo. Only someone as shallow as she is would be gullible enough to vote for her, imo.

    But hey, I could be wrong.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  91. ——-


    Florida swings against Obama


    As a true native Floridian, can we please use a bat the next time?

    ——-

    Smock Puppet, Mathematical Economist (c9dcd8)

  92. TALLAHASSEE — President Barack Obama is losing support among Florida voters especially among independents a poll released Thursday shows.Fifty percent of voters surveyed randomly by landline telephone between July 27-Aug. 2 by Quinnipiac Conn. University said Obama would not deserve a second term in the election were held today.

    hemp (a3b8c0)


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