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8/1/2011

House passes Debt Ceiling measure

Filed under: General — Karl @ 4:22 pm



[Posted by Karl]

The vote was 269 to 161.  Republicans voted in favor 174-66. Democrats evenly split 95-95 — the bare minimum needed to not look like a vote of “no confidence” in Pres. Obama (even if it was).  Rep. Gabrielle Giffords returned to vote in favor of the bill.  She cast the vote that put it over the top, or so it seemed.  She got a long standing ovation after the vote was concluded.

The terrorists win!

–Karl

139 Responses to “House passes Debt Ceiling measure”

  1. Wow. The Giffords aspect is truly amazing.

    Good for her. At least something positive can come of this dog and pony show.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2. What will Palin do?

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  3. #2, Palin politely referred GOP representatives to the Open Letter she wrote to them shortly after they took office. She reminded them of who helped them, financed their campaigns, and voted for them. She also reminded them why voters supported them and what they expected in return.

    ropelight (c46905)

  4. Still, half the Democratic delegation won’t support the President’s deal.

    Obama is a lame duck from today. And he’ll not win reelection in 2012.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  5. Well, we pretty much knew it was going to happen. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are happy with this monstrosity, but the solution is very clear: we have to campaign like heck, and win the 2012 elections, taking control of the Senate and helping President Obama match President Carter in number of terms served as well as total ineptness.

    And it has given us an important issue: President Obama actually bragged that the deal includes complete expiration of the 2001/2003 tax cuts. Let’s see the Democrats campaign on that one next year!

    The disappointed Dana (f68855)

  6. SPQR, they won’t support S-365 in public if they don’t have to, but they delayed their Nay votes till passage was assured. If their votes were needed they were in position to deliver.

    ropelight (c46905)

  7. ropelight, that the Democrats were posturing politically was never in doubt.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  8. What will Governor Former Democrat Good Hair Do?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  9. What will Governor Former Democrat Good Hair Do?

    Comment by daleyrocks

    LOL!

    I was hoping for a little more from him on this issue. Mitt’s getting justifiable criticism too. Hermann Cain has been my favorite as far as his discussion of this issue goes.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  10. What little celebration there is seems to focus on relief that a default has been averted. However, additional Trillions in debt will only guarantee an eventual default. It’s as certain as day following night.

    Our debt instruments will now be considered less secure and we’ll have to payout more in interest to entice buyers. The downward spiral is self perpetuating and short lived. Anyone recall a certain political ad on TV with Chinese students laughing at us for turning our backs on the principles that once made us great?

    ropelight (c46905)

  11. Dustin, Herman Cain was in the news today. He visited a Mosque and apologized to Muslims for saying he wouldn’t want one in his administration.

    ropelight (c46905)

  12. Wow, they passed it! Now, who will step up at the Treasury auction with the money? According to the CIA World Factbook, the GDP of the entire world is only $60 trillion. What incentive will be offered to persuade the world to invest a significant portion in U.S. debt?

    Or perhaps they will simply print it and pretend to borrow it through Goldman Sachs.

    Harry (cc3503)

  13. What little celebration there is seems to focus on relief that a default has been averted.

    But a default was never on the cards in the first place. Let’s not forget that.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  14. No seriously – what will Palin do – was she for this? Are they going to target those who voted for it?

    I dunno about Perry – maybe some gerrycurl and highlights…

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  15. That is to say, it was never on the cards that the USA would default on its debt, which was issued against its full faith and credit. I noticed an interesting rhetorical trick, though. What the Democrats were talking about, at least when they were being careful, was a default on “our obligations”. Now that sounds like it means the debt, because that’s how the word “default” has always been used before, but that’s not what they meant. What they meant was the “obligations” created by Congress when it appropriated money for various purposes. In other words, “we will default on our obligations” is Democrat for “we will not be able to spend money that we’d decided to spend”.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  16. No, she wasn’t she made it very clear, in her last post, appending her Nov 2010 post,

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  17. colonel will gladly
    pay you next Tuesday for a
    hamburger today

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  18. not just a parasite a cheesy parasite

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  19. “you have white wing gwoop
    who simpwy won’t pwovide foah
    eldawy people”

    – Wep. Bawney “Haiku” Fwank

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  20. No seriously – what will Palin do – was she for this? Are they going to target those who voted for it?

    Thankfully, no, as Ian explains.

    However, this incident has opened my eyes to the hopelessness of the GOP if we do not have sufficient members willing to support the BBA. That is a baseline requirement, and those who balk have got to be primaried. I know in advance that some of these challengers will not be up to the task, just because of how politics works. We need to focus ourselves on that task. Find conservatives who can win general elections to challenge Republicans who are actually enemies of a balanced budget.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  21. no cheese, happy.

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  22. It really is a joke (this deal is) but I can’t find the punchline, Obama gets the 2 trillion plus immediately, we get illusory cuts after 2013, except in Defense, in keeping with his Iowa peace group pledge in 2007.

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  23. Allow me to be the rude kid at the church picnic and ask the question everyone’s thinking, but don’t dare speak aloud. Does Congresswoman Giffords truly have a concept of what it is she’s voting for?

    Feel-good video and standing ovations aside, let’s be honest, shall we? This is a person who is less than a year removed from having had a bullet aerate her skull and brain. I know, that doesn’t mean that she’s any less capable than many in Congress who’ve never been shot in the head, but you know what I mean.

    L.N. Smithee (abcb20)

  24. “Does Congresswoman Giffords truly have a concept of what it is she’s voting for?”

    Well, she never had a clue in the past. Don’t see why she would have improved any.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  25. “What little celebration there is seems to focus on relief that a default has been averted.”

    As far as I’m concerned, they can default anytime they want. It isn’t going to hurt me any. I wouldn’t loan the United States government money, if it was about to starve to death.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  26. L.N. Smithee, I figure she’s still ahead of Joe Biden.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  27. They needed Mrs Giffords to vote yes, to get to a 50% approval from the Democrats. Remember how John Hancock and John Adams had Colonel McKean (in the musical 1776) go fetch Caesar Rodney from his deathbed to cast a crucial vote on independence?

    Same thing.

    The historian Dana (f68855)

  28. From looking at Giffords on TV during the vote, visuals only, no sound, she seemed to be responding appropriately to well-wishers, however she was quite thin and gaunt. Her office issued a silly statement, but her physical responses appeared normal and healthy. Better than I anticipated, much better.

    ropelight (c46905)

  29. Senatus Populusque Romanus wrote:

    I figure she’s still ahead of Joe Biden.

    Talk about damning with faint praise!

    The snarky Dana (f68855)

  30. Ms Snarky Dana,

    The animatronic Lincoln at Disneyland is ahead of Joe Biden.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  31. I find it Anti Democracy to call those who disagree ” terrorists” as Biden and others have done. This is an insult to the founding Fathers..

    dennis d (6140a7)

  32. LN,

    Obviously I don’t know for sure but based on what I’ve read, I think Giffords’ brain injury has left her similar to a stroke victim with some aphasia. She is limited in her ability express herself but her ability to think is minimally impaired.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  33. As recently as June, doctors were warning of the hardship of a recovery from the sort of wounds Giffords sustained. The doctors also noted that “the maximum amount of recovery is at one year after the event.”

    “If I had to guess, I would expect her to have some deficiencies for the rest of her life,” said Dr. Anand Germanwala, chief of cerebral vascular and skull-based neurosurgery at the University of North Carolina Medical School. “The brain is a very unforgiving organ.

    “I certainly wish her all the best and hope she has complete recovery — it is possible,” he said. “But realistically thinking, this is a young lady in a high profile job, well-educated and eloquent. That requires a lot of brain tasks to successfully execute the job. To expect that now, it’s not fair.”

    Dana (4eca6e)

  34. Ann Barnhart at the American Thinker sums up the
    opposition,

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  35. dennis d, if we are terrorists, why isn’t the ATF selling us guns? (*)

    * – Yep, I stole that from a commenter on Hotair.

    Dana, she’s done well to get where she is. Nothing I said was intended to ridicule her or her condition.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  36. You know once I heard an aspiring young politician give a rousing speech that was very inspirational and hopeful. He said, “There is not a liberal America or a conservative America — there is a United States of America. There is not a Black America, or a White America or a Latino America. There is a United states of America.”

    What ever happened to that guy?

    elissa (be38ff)

  37. I just listened to Paul Ryan say “is this everything we wanted? No, but we got discretionary caps in law, which is something I’ve been fighting ever since the day I came to Congress… couldn’t get these even during the Bush administration… this kind of tells you just how far this culture has changed… cut more spending than we will raise the debt limit by…”

    I think he’s making some great points.

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  38. 1) Contrary to SPQR, I think this improves Obama’s chances at re-election. Everything bad that happens he can spin so as to blame on GOP opposition. Even a complete expiration of the Bush tax cuts. “They wouldn’t compromise, we needed new taxes, so this was the only thing to do”.

    2) The Balanced Budget Amendment is somewhere between snake oil and a chimera: it would never get ratified by the states even it passes Congresses (which it never will, unless the GOP has supermajorities in both houses of Congress); if it was actually ratified it would require a judiciary so activist, so interfering, and so legislating from the bench that any current version of “judicial activism” pales by comparison.

    Much better to insist on not on candidates who will help a BBA pass, but on candidates who will passed a Balanced Budget. It doesn’t require an amendment to do that, only congresscritters who voted the necessary way. (Or, actually, a budget that’s imbalanced in the opposite way, with a surplus that can be used to pay down the debt.)

    JBS (38f6c3)

  39. Since it was largely GOP votes that passed S-365, Ed Driscoll points out that Obama won the terrorist vote.

    ropelight (c46905)

  40. Ann Barnhart is a patriot of the first order which is 100% more patriotic than you are but it’s not a contest

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  41. dennis d, if we are terrorists, why isn’t the ATF selling us guns?

    Along those lines, I (as an FFL in CA) just received notification from the ATF that beginning 14 August, all sales of two or more semi-automatic rifles capable of accepting detachable magazines, in calibers greater than .22 (including .223/5.56mm), within five consecutive business days, to the same person, must be reported to BATFE on Form 3310.12.

    But, if I am now considered to be a terrorist by the Progressive Political Class, it doesn’t much matter what I do, or don’t do, since I am (in their eyes) already a Felon.
    So, since I’m being accussed of being a terrorist, I might as well commit the act – what have I got to lose: My reputation?

    BTW, Giffords was considered a Blue-Dog Dem before her shooting.

    AD-RtR/OS! (0d8c81)

  42. Geez.

    On the one hand, it’s great to see Giffords make such a strong recovery from such a horrific incident.

    On the other, it’s a damn shame she allowed herself to be used as a prop to legitimize this three-ring circus.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  43. JBS, Obama caved into a deal that was negotiated between Boehner and Reid – a deal he’d tried to scuttle earlier in the week. Its become obvious that Obama can’t deliver Democrat votes for his policy positions. He’s a lame duck. The country is beginning to see it.

    AD-RtR/OS – there is a lawsuit on that illegal regulation from the ATF forming, do you need contact information to become a plaintiff?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  44. On the Boehner Budget Deal, here is a take from the WSJ:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903520204576482441462317576.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

    SPQR:
    I have already emailed NRA/ILA that I would be amendable in joining any lawsuit over this such as the suit filed today by J&G Sales of AZ.

    AD-RtR/OS! (0d8c81)

  45. AD-RtR/OS – cool. The ATF is lawless.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  46. Allow me to be the rude kid at the church picnic and ask the question everyone’s thinking, but don’t dare speak aloud. Does Congresswoman Giffords truly have a concept of what it is she’s voting for?

    Feel-good video and standing ovations aside, let’s be honest, shall we? This is a person who is less than a year removed from having had a bullet aerate her skull and brain. I know, that doesn’t mean that she’s any less capable than many in Congress who’ve never been shot in the head, but you know what I mean.

    Comment by L.N. Smithee — 8/1/2011 @ 5:46 pm

    Nothing rude about this question. This is serious work that affects all our futures. Asking why someone who was shot in the head is helping decide it is legit.

    You and I are happy she is recovering so amazingly. That’s a miracle, but performed because men and women have advanced medicine. I think that’s also worth thinking about, as I’m not sure this country is poised to make such advancements very profitable anymore.

    She does seem to be a thinking person, and I think if that’s the case she’s probably who her district most wants representing her. I think it would have been better had she been replaced, but it’s not my district.

    It is a sad thing that this compromise is the best our nation can do. Spending no more than we bring in shouldn’t be controversial.

    In that mess, I’m just glad there’s one good thing. But it’s not rude to ask your question.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  47. No, it’s not, it’s what some are willing to settle for,(re; the deal) As for Giffords, it burns me up that the ‘bottom feeding slug, Loughner, seems to be escaping any measure of judgement.

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  48. Does Congresswoman Giffords truly have a concept of what it is she’s voting for?

    I dare say she’s got a better idea than the 60+ teahadis who voted against it.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  49. ______________________________________________

    On the Boehner Budget Deal, here is a take from the WSJ:

    These are the parts of that editorial that stand out to me:

    [I]t’s hard to look at the debt-ceiling compromise and see it as anything but a conservative victory. It’s not just that Speaker of the House John Boehner succeeded in imposing some conditions in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling. It’s that the deal has Democrats, including the president, essentially signing on to the Republican framework for defining the Beltway’s budget problem: spending that is too high rather than taxes that are too low.

    That’s a striking achievement, especially if you remember how this year started. We began the debt-ceiling debate on Democratic terms, with President Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner insisting on a “clean bill” that had no conditions attached. Then came threats about grandma not getting her Social Security check if Republicans didn’t do as the president demanded, and folks likening Republicans and tea partiers to terrorists.

    [B]y rejecting everyone else’s plan while offering no plan of his own, the president effectively took himself out of the game. This curious exercise of presidential “leadership” transformed Mr. Obama into the Newt Gingrich of this debate, while Mr. Boehner looked serious and reasonable.

    That seems to be the liberal reading as well. The New York Times appears to be reeling. Maureen Dowd quotes a Democrat as saying we’re watching President Obama “turn into Jimmy Carter right before our eyes.” The headline over Paul Krugman’s column declares, “The President Surrenders.” Equally gloomy is the editorial: “To Escape Chaos, a Terrible Deal.”

    Over at the New Republic, Jonathan Chait asks, “Did Obama Get Rolled?” Peter Beinhart at the Daily Beast answers the question with a piece headlined “How the Tea Party Won the Deal.” Most argue that the president should have stood his liberal ground.

    The problem with this view is that the more people see the president, the less they seem to like what he’s selling. That’s particularly true for the people he will need to win re-election. A new Gallup poll shows that only one of three independents now approves of how Mr. Obama is doing his job.

    Mark (411533)

  50. Gallup poll shows that only one of three independents now approves of how Mr. Obama is doing his job.

    I suspect a large part of that is a result of people who are unhappy he hasn’t stood up to the economic terrorists in the GOP enough. Hard to negotiate when your opponent holds a gun to the head of the economy though.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  51. You do realize calling people you don’t like “terrorists” makes you look stupid, right.

    Because, you see, terrorists kill people. They take people away from this mortal coil. They blow stuff up. They are violent. They actually hold guns to the heads of people and pull the trigger.

    Sometimes, they saw the heads off people, and post the whole thing on the internet.

    Then, there are people like you who think it’s funny to trivialize death and destruction by calling your fellow citizens terrorists or racists because they disagree with you.

    Except, people who disagree with you do things. Some might be doctors, some might be a volunteer at a women’s shelter. Some might adopt a child that needs a home. Some take meals to the elderly because they would not eat otherwise. Some give their money to charities to make sure kids have the equipment to play baseball. Others might protest at an animal shelter when no-kill shelters are available.

    But you don’t care. All that matters to you is being able to call some people terrorists because you are filled with the hate you want to believe your opponents share.

    You are silly and worthless, not because you post on Patterico with silly and worthless postings, but because you think your silly, worthless insults matter.

    Go ask your mother for a sandwich, then go to bed. In the morning, ask yourself why you matter.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  52. @ SPQR,

    Dana, she’s done well to get where she is. Nothing I said was intended to ridicule her or her condition.

    I would never think you to ridicule her or anyone suffering what she has, SPQR. I had been reading up on her recovery today when hearing she was at the vote and saw LN’s reasonable and fair question.

    I dare say she’s got a better idea than the 60+ teahadis who voted against it.

    Is this akin to towelheads or something? It’s difficult to keep up with the left’s ever-expanding vocabulary of slurs.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  53. Spartacvs shows why all the calls from Democrats about “violent” rhetoric in the aftermath of the Giffords shooting were just abject lies.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  54. What the devil is going on? ian mentions “bottom feeding slugs” and lo and behold one appears as if summoned from the slimy deep and exposed to examination by the sharp eyes and uncompromising judgment of patriotic teahadis here.

    ropelight (c46905)

  55. Does Congresswoman Giffords truly have a concept of what it is she’s voting for?

    I dare say she’s got a better idea than the 60+ teahadis who voted against it.

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/1/2011 @ 8:04 pm

    Or the 95 Dems?
    This one sure is full of hate.

    JD (318f81)

  56. “Hard to negotiate when your opponent holds a gun to the head of the economy though.”

    Spare me the drama, Sparty-tard. About the only folks who ever point guns are the government tax collectors, who will pay you a little visit if you refuse to pay up.

    Considering how it is they collect their money, government-lovers, like yourself, are in a mighty poor position to be talking about pointing guns.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  57. What do you call someone prepared to take the economy hostage Ag? Patriots?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  58. Spartacvs, Democrats. Since the President refused to vote for a debt ceiling increase when he was a Senator, we can call them Democrats.

    Sheesh, you are stupid.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  59. This is all you have, isn’t it Spartacvs? This really is all you have. This is your life.

    Get some help.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  60. “What do you call someone prepared to take the economy hostage”

    I call them: People who are sick and tired of being robbed blind by socialist scum.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  61. Sparticles has today’s meme down pat.

    Icy Texan (d7032f)

  62. What do you call someone prepared to take the economy hostage Ag? Patriots?

    Do you not see that being bound to an overextended spending government is anything but freedom – that is the essence of being held hostage. Our money is spent by others who have no regard for the will of the people nor their hard work that produces and then earns that money.

    Freedom is willfully choosing not to spend beyond our means and to actually accrue a surplus.

    And therein lies such a huge part of the problem: What you see as being held hostage, we see as freedom. And it’s strange to me because being held hostage under the yoke of debt doesn’t in the least resemble freedom.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  63. ==What do you call someone prepared to take the economy hostage..==

    Anyone in congress who voted for Obamacare was fully prepared to take the economy hostage. And it is still being held hostage due to Obamacare. There was plenty of anger but I do not recall anyone on the right calling any of their fellow American elected colleagues in congress “terrorists”.

    elissa (be38ff)

  64. How in the world do you take an economy hostage? What a stupid talking point. Do you think that commerce ceases because a few hundred people in Washington argue?

    Do you really think that government, no matter how authoritarian or otherwise, can stop the simple give and take of capital.

    If you do, you are not simply deluded, but eternally in denial. I guess we could assume your dream of a North American Korea, but eating grass works for cows. Sentient humans, no so much.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  65. What do you call someone prepared to take the economy hostage Ag? Patriots?

    Considering the President was trying to provoke a TARP-like market sell-off to get this something passed, perhaps the blame of terrorism should like on Jugears Oslurpee.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  66. robbed blind

    You don’t like paying taxes obviously, but then who does? And since we happen to be living under the lowest tax burden for 30 years it’s hard for me to feel your pain. Is there anything in particular you feel your miserly tax contributions are wasted on?.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  67. Considering the President was trying to provoke a TARP-like market sell-off to get this something passed

    He was? How exactly did he do that?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  68. Start with Planned Parenthood and go from there.

    Icy Texan (d7032f)

  69. What’s truly absurd is Sparty defending a spending plan that continues to send the national debt into the stratosphere–a position that the so-called “teahadis” have been against since the beginning.

    It’s ironic that Sparty adopted the nom de plume of a slave, considering that he wants to keep the entire American populace in economic debt servitude to satiate the avaristic appetites of himself and the rest of America’s parasites.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  70. Anyone in congress who voted for Obamacare was fully prepared to take the economy hostage.

    Ah, I get it. You don’t like ‘entitlements’, you don’t like your tax dollars going to ‘them’.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  71. Planned Parenthood

    Is that a joke?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  72. == it’s hard for me to feel your pain==

    Sit down before you read the rest of this answer Sparty because it may cause you to be shocked and weak-kneed.

    Ready?

    Nobody here gives a rats ass what you feel or think about anyrhing.

    elissa (be38ff)

  73. a position that the so-called “teahadis” have been against since the beginning

    correction, since the end.

    Since the end of the George Bush presidency to be exact.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  74. Is there anything in particular you feel your miserly tax contributions are wasted on?

    -NEA
    -Planned Parenthood
    -Congressional Black Caucus
    -NPR

    …to start…

    Dana (4eca6e)

  75. He was? How exactly did he do that?

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/43943482

    I just got off the phone with a source on Capitol Hill who has spent the past few days trying to convince Republicans to vote for a debt ceiling hike.

    He told me that the biggest obstacle he faces has been “market complacency.”

    “Frankly, a bit of panic would be very helpful right now,” he said.

    As he explained it, lots of people in Washington, D.C. expected that this would be a week marked by panic in the markets. Stocks would tank. Bonds would get clobbered. The dollar would do something dramatic. And all of this would help convince reluctant lawmakers that they had to reach a compromise on the debt ceiling.

    Add in the fact that he and Carney have been lying about the country defaulting on the debt, and it’s pretty obvious that a TARP-like sell-off was being provoked.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  76. Thanks for that elissa and back at ya.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  77. Since the end of the George Bush presidency to be exact.

    Funny how these “teahadis” weren’t even in Congress during Bush’s presidency.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  78. -NEA
    -Planned Parenthood
    -Congressional Black Caucus
    -NPR

    Chump change. The pentagon could lose that amount in an afternoon and never know it.

    Name something with some serious impact on the budget

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  79. So, Spartacvs finally reached his goal: Rascism.

    What a useless waste of carbon.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  80. Ah, I get it. You don’t like ‘entitlements’, you don’t like your tax dollars going to ‘them’.

    Actually, that’s a pretty succinct way to put it.

    Damn right I don’t want my tax dollars going to the Free Sh** Army that you and the rest of your guild of thieves belong to.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  81. No Chris, it’s pretty obvious you are trying to make something out of nothing. When you talk in the bath are there bubbles?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  82. No, Sparticles, it’s not a fvcking joke!

    [Well, PP itself IS a joke, but calling for the elimination of their govt funding is deadly serious]

    Icy Texan (d7032f)

  83. Spartacvs now denies that the President’s repeated, ludicrous TV appearances were not designed to get a market sell off going to pressure the GOP into caving in.

    Even though Democrats have been quoted as admitting it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  84. Chump change.

    Stop making excuses. Just because you’re a wuss who rolls over and let’s himself be fiscally raped doesn’t mean I have to.

    And don’t call it chump change – it’s my hard earned money and I value everything I am able to honestly earn. Whether I were poor or rich, all is a gift and never would I call it chump change. Just because you have such a lack of respect for the individual earner and subsequent amount of taxes the government takes in, only goes to show your lack of valuing the dollar.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  85. Name something with some serious impact on the budget

    Extended unemployment payments.

    Medicare.

    Medicaid.

    Social Security.

    Together, these things take up 56.74% of federal spending. If Obama really wants to go back to Eisenhower levels of spending, he can’t do it unless he goes back to the spending structure that Eisenhower had. That means nuking every single one of the Great Society programs.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  86. Spartacvs has already been caught falsely claiming that there are no tax increases in the deal. Its pretty apparent that he has no idea what he is talking about any time. His ideas seem to remain in Chris Matthews damp lap.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  87. “Ah, I get it. You don’t like ‘entitlements’, you don’t like your tax dollars going to ‘them’.”

    Hey, Sparty might not be as dumb as I’d thought.

    He actually seems to have a rudimentary grasp of certain simple concepts. That’s a pretty rare quality in a leftoid.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  88. None of the things Spartacvs mentioned will be “reduced.”

    The increase in the budgets may be reduced, but there are not cuts in actual expenditures to anything.

    I really wish people would stop talking about “reductions” as if they reduced anything.

    But it is part and parcel of Spartacvs’ ilk. Nothing is ever reduced, but cutting increases means children will die.

    It is a dishonest argument and displays the worthless intellect of the ruling class and its fellow travelers.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  89. Thank you, Another Chris, for your rational response. Something about this little man makes me react more quickly than I like.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  90. You heard it here (in #79) first: Sparticles has no problem with the elimination of funding those programs. Surely he is writing his congressperson as we speak to advocate those cuts.

    Icy Texan (d7032f)

  91. No Chris, it’s pretty obvious you are trying to make something out of nothing.

    No Sparty, it’s pretty obvious you’re a thief that needs the government to rob from people because you’re too much of a coward to do it yourself.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  92. Another Chris, that “Eisenhower” line of Obama’s was a deliberate attempt to mislead the American public by refering to only a tiny fraction of Federal budgetary spending and then claiming that that tiny fraction was going to be a historic low. Intentionally misleading. He wanted to audience to get the false idea that all Federal spending was historically low and then when called a liar, point to the narrow qualification he deliberately set up.

    Fortunately, no one is as dumb as Obama and his teleprompter think – except Spartacvs.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  93. Dave Surls, Spartacvs was trying to insinuate that you are racist. The usual refuge of the intellectually bankrupt.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  94. “…since we happen to be living under the lowest tax burden for 30 years it’s hard for me to feel your pain.”

    Yet another lie in an endless stream of lefty lies.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  95. Another Chris

    That means nuking every single one of the Great Society programs.

    Thanks for that, now get your party to run on it and we’ll have a fair fight at the ballot box.

    spartacvs (2d9449)

  96. “Dave Surls, Spartacvs was trying to insinuate that you are racist.”

    Did he do that?

    That Sparty is one wascawy wabbit.

    Luckily I’m immune to lefty cries of “racism”.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  97. The important question, friends, is if this “spartacvs” person is a previously banned troll. Because if he is—and I believe he is such an odd person—then he has a vested interest in fighting for fighting’s sake.

    That’s his deal. I doubt he really cares much about any of this economics lesson going on nationally. What he cares about is he was told go away, and now he is going to show us he is too a big man.

    Except he isn’t.

    Simon Jester (351805)

  98. Another Chris, that “Eisenhower” line of Obama’s was a deliberate attempt to mislead the American public by refering to only a tiny fraction of Federal budgetary spending and then claiming that that tiny fraction was going to be a historic low.

    Oh, clearly Obama was lying–back in 1960, defense took up over 50% of the budget, and the government took in less than $100 billion.

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year1960_0.html

    Even accounting for inflation, that’s only $760 billion in today’s dollars. We rack up that much just in debt today in about seven months.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  99. Nothing honest. The same crap. And, yet, it expects some sort of honest response to a dishonest cut-and-paste.

    I guess I will finally have to ask: What is your point? Except racism? It gets old after awhile.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  100. Thanks for that, now get your party to run on it and we’ll have a fair fight at the ballot box.

    It doesn’t matter if the people want these programs or not. The math says that it’s unsustainable by any measure. I’ll look forward to the utter shock by you and the rest of the FSA when the checks finally stop rolling in. Of course, by then it will be too late, but the country’s in for a massive de-scaling anyway.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  101. Interesting, Sparty supports Planned Parenthood. An organization that has been genocidal towards “blacks and yellows”.

    Sannger’s Gamble

    It was in 1939 that Sanger’s larger vision for dealing with the reproductive practices of black Americans emerged. After the January 1939 merger of her Clinical Research Bureau and the ABCL to form the Birth Control Federation of America, Dr. Clarence J. Gamble was selected to become the BCFA regional director for the South. Dr. Gamble, of the soap-manufacturing Procter and Gamble company, was no newcomer to Sanger’s organization. He had previously served as director at large to the predecessor ABCL.

    Gamble lost no time and drew up a memorandum in November 1939 entitled “Suggestion for Negro Project.” Acknowledging that black leaders might regard birth control as an extermination plot, he suggested that black leaders be place in positions where it would appear that they were in chargeÑas it was at an Atlanta conference.

    It is evident from the rest of the memo that Gamble conceived the project almost as a traveling road show. A charismatic black minister was to start a revival, with “contributions” to come from other local cooperating ministers. A “colored nurse” would follow, supported by a subsidized “colored doctor.” Gamble even suggested that music might be a useful lure to bring the prospects to a meeting.

    Sanger answered Gamble on Dec. 10. 1939, agreeing with the assessment. She wrote: “We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten that idea out if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” In 1940, money for two “Negro Project” demonstration programs in southern states was donated by advertising magnate Albert D. Lasker and his wife, Mary.

    In 2004, the rates of abortion by ethnicity in the U.S. were 50 abortions per 1,000 black women, 28 abortions per 1,000 Hispanic women, and 11 abortions per 1,000 white women.

    You support genocide by the US government and tax payers? Perhaps that is why China has been purchasing our bonds?

    BfC (2ebea6)

  102. Arizona political cartoonist fantasizes about Obama sending Seal team to take out tea party republican terrorists in congress. Coincidence?

    This is the party meme, folks. There really are no words..

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/08/01/tucson-newspaper-political-cartoonist-fantasized-about-obama-sending-s

    elissa (be38ff)

  103. elissa, its the Left that is violent. Despite Yelverton/Spartacvs’ false claims.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  104. The Tax Foundation report is always fascinating. They’ve updated it since I last looked at it. The IRS data comes out a couple of years late, so the charts go to 2008 tax year.

    Comparing Table 5 to Table 6, we find that the top 1% of the “rich” in terms of income earned 20.00% of income but paid 38.02% of all the Federal income tax paid. So they paid nearly twice their “fair share” in 2008.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  105. SPQR, I think it all follows from Sowell’s “Vision of the Anointed.” These people are so certain that they are correct and good, that anyone who disagrees must be…well, you know.

    They deserve what they get, is the Left’s view. Which takes us back to Jonah Goldberg’s book.

    Simon Jester (351805)

  106. “Arizona political cartoonist fantasizes about Obama sending Seal team to take out tea party republican terrorists in congress.”

    BFD. All the seals are going to do is bark and balance rubber balls on their noses.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  107. I suppose there’s no real hope that a, you know, journalist like David Gregory will ambush a Dem guest on his show with that cartoon–hand it to them– and ask if he/she is willing to condemn it on behalf of his party. (Like he asked Boehner to condemn all “birthers” a few months ago.)

    elissa (be38ff)

  108. Are any qualifications required to be teach music at a third rate state university in the South or can any retarded troll do it?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  109. Socialist policies are retarded: tax achievement, cheer voracious spending.

    Icy Texan (d7032f)

  110. _________________________________________

    its the Left that is violent. Despite Yelverton/Spartacvs’ false claims.

    What’s even more disgusting and pathetic is most liberals believe they’re such compassionate, generous souls. That their ideology rests on firm ground when it comes to do-gooderism.

    As a salute to such people, I’ve posted innumerable times the fascinating irony of surveys indicating that higher percentages of people on the left actually are less generous than those on the right when it comes to donating money, time and even blood.

    As another salute to the supposedly big-hearted, humane, sophisticated nature of liberals, I hereby post the following:

    Dailycaller.com, March 2011:

    The one issue that unites Tea Party members and sympathizers is a belief in smaller government — that the government should be doing less, rather than more. Fortunately, the best of the social science surveys, the General Social Survey (GSS) conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, has been asking a representative sample of Americans about this issue since the late 1970s. It is therefore possible to get a sense of whether those who want to shrink the government in Washington are more or less likely to express racist views.

    Who are these people who want to shrink government and are they really less educated and more racist than the general public?

    Looking back over eighteen General Social Surveys since 1975, in every one those who wanted smaller government had significantly more education than the rest of the public, measured both by mean years of education and by mean highest final educational degree.

    Typically, the well educated are less racist than the general public. Thus, the revelation that those who hold the quintessential Tea Party view (believing that the government in Washington is doing too much) are better educated on average than the general public should raise problems for the idea that they are racist as well. Indeed, the data show that small-government advocates are less racist on average than the general public.

    Social scientists usually measure traditional racism against African Americans by looking at the survey responses of white Americans only. Among whites in the latest General Social Survey (2008), only 4.5% of small-government advocates express the view that “most Blacks/African-Americans have less in-born ability to learn,” compared to 12.3% of those who favor bigger government or take a middle position expressing this racist view.

    But advocates of smaller government can be found among Democrats and Independents as well as Republicans. What happens if we compare Republicans who think Washington is doing too much with those who think that government should do more or take a middle position? The relationships I’ve just described only get stronger.

    [A]mong whites, Republican advocates of smaller government are even less racist (1.3% believing that blacks have less in-born ability) than the rest of the general public (11.3% expressing racist views). Thus, in 2008 Republicans who believe that the government in Washington does too much have 10 times higher odds of not expressing racist views on the in-born ability question than the rest of the population (79-to-1 odds v. 7.9-to-1 odds).

    What about conservative Republicans more generally, not just the ones who want a smaller government? Surely they must be more racist. Actually not. In 2008, only 5.4% of white conservative Republicans expressed racist views on the in-born ability question, compared to 10.3% of the rest of the white population.

    [T]his same pattern holds for white Democrats compared to white Republicans: in 2008 12.3% of white Democrats in the U.S. believed that African Americans were born with less ability, compared to only 6.6% of white Republicans.

    And 2008 wasn’t an aberration. In sixteen surveys from 1977 through 2008, overall white Republicans were significantly less racist on the in-born ability question than white Democrats (13.3% to 17.3%), and white conservative Republicans were significantly less racist than other white Americans (11.7% to 14.7%)…

    Another traditional racism question — on segregated neighborhoods — was asked on fifteen General Social Surveys from 1972 through 1996. Though the percentage of white Democrats and white Republicans who slightly or strongly agreed that “White people have a right to keep Blacks out of their neighborhoods” did not differ significantly in any one survey, overall white Democrats were significantly more likely to support segregated neighborhoods than white Republicans (30.4% to 26.3%).

    _________________________________________

    Mark (411533)

  111. It’s that the deal has Democrats, including the president, essentially signing on to the Republican framework for defining the Beltway’s budget problem: spending that is too high rather than taxes that are too low.

    If they had signed on to that principle, they’d make at least a symbolic start at cutting spending, by at least $1. So long as spending continues to increase they’re still not getting it, and this is no victory.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  112. If the Republicans where not so busy trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory… They would simply pass a budget from the house that was exactly 2010 (or 2011) with 0% increase.

    Let the Democrats say the Republicans are cutting the budget–And hold up the bill and ask them to point out where the budget was being cut. Rinse and repeat.

    BfC (2ebea6)

  113. Mark – Democrats are the party of identity politics. Those findings make intuitive sense.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  114. I look forward to the day that trolls such as Yelverton and spartacvs will have advanced intellectually to the point that they might be considered “retarded”, for then we can get help for them.

    AD-RtR/OS! (0d8c81)

  115. BfC, there was no written budget for 2010, nor for 2011.

    AD-RtR/OS! (0d8c81)

  116. AD-RtR/OS!,

    I know that there have been no budgets passed for several years–And I was actually wondering about that. Has this been done with continuing resolutions or something? From CBS News June 22, 2010 1:31 PM:

    Congress will not pass a budget resolution this year because the issue of the soaring national debt hangs over every policy debate in Washington, House Majority Steny Hoyer said today, and it will be impossible to pass a realistic long-term budget until the nation’s structural deficit is addressed.

    “Our problem is structural–the product of a generation’s worth of easy decisions,” Hoyer said at a discussion about the national deficit, hosted by the Third Way, a left-leaning, moderate think tank.

    Hoyer said today that instead of passing a budget resolution, the House is working to adopt a budget enforcement resolution, which will call for even more spending cuts than the president’s budget. It will also, he said, reaffirm Congress’ commitment to PAYGO rules and endorse the goals of President Obama’s bipartisan deficit commission, an 18-member panel charged with creating a plan to bring down the deficit to 3 percent of the economy by 2015.

    It is ugly…

    BfC (2ebea6)

  117. a position that the so-called “teahadis” have been against since the beginning

    correction, since the end. Since the end of the George Bush presidency to be exact.

    Liar. But I repeat myself. Really, do you think anyone here was born yesterday? Do you think we don’t remember what was happening, and what we were concerned about, a mere three or four years ago?!

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  118. BfC, the Democrats failed entirely to pass a budget for years while they were in control of Congress – both Houses – and the White House because they were afraid that the voters would see them for what they are.

    So instead of doing the most basic duty of the Congressional leadership, passing a budget, they punted. Cowardice and dishonesty is their legacy.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  119. They didn’t pass a budget, and then appropriated whatever they felt like, since there was no guideline to be held to.
    For two years, and now because of this deal, for another two, the Democrat Congressional Leadership has committed a fraud against the American taxpayer.
    In a perfect world, they all would be voted out of office (some were in 2010, more will be in 2012), but many will survive since “the voters get the government they deserve”.

    AD-RtR/OS! (0d8c81)

  120. I know that there are no words that can describe Democrats since 2007 when they retook both houses, and after 2008 presidential election other than as traitorous.

    To have the Republicans give aid and support to Democrats(and to negotiate different “Republican” debt limit plans instead of forcing Reed/Obama to put something in writing)… Does not make them much better.

    BfC (2ebea6)

  121. You take advantage of what openings your opponent presents, and plan for the next advance to take back even more.

    “Rome wasn’t built in a day.”

    Remember, Conservatives (us) are supposed to be the “mature adults” in this play who take the long view and use the principle of delayed gratification to their advantage; unlike the immature “teenagers” (Progressives) on the other side of the aisle who are always looking for an immediate gratification from their addiction to power.

    AD-RtR/OS! (0d8c81)

  122. “[A]mong whites, Republican advocates of smaller government are even less racist (1.3% believing that blacks have less in-born ability) than the rest of the general public (11.3% expressing racist views).”

    Get the heck outta here! Republicans are less racist than Dems and right wingers are less racist than anyone???

    Gee, I never woulda guessed.

    😉

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  123. Dave, please return to your seat at the rear of the bus!

    AD-RtR/OS! (0d8c81)

  124. Why is Dave even allowed on the same bus?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  125. Well, if he were a Dem, he’d be under it.

    AD-RtR/OS! (0d8c81)

  126. Now is not the time to start squabbling between moderates and conservatives. Focus on the enemy – the democrats. They did not get any revenue; their cuts are phony, but we can take another shot at their stunningly fiscal irresponsibility.

    The debt ceiling fight was all misdirection. We won. The next democrat manufactured crisis will be a government shutdown on 1 October. Continuing resolutions enabled their spending spree that created this debt crisis and still threatens loss of our AAA verdict rating. No more CRs.

    The real battle begins now over the FY2012 Budget in the Senate. Boehner, Canter and Ryan should start talking about Senate democrats violating the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 for the last two and a half years. Congress has a fiduciary responsibility to pass a budget before appropriating funds. The House should publicly refuse to release funds after September 30th unless the Senate, as required by law, marks up of the budget the House passed in April. It’s their job.

    No more continuing resolutions!

    Arch (0baa7b)

  127. “Why is Dave even allowed on the same bus?”

    They tried to keep me off, but since I’m a greedy, capitalist, ober-rich, racist, RWDB…I just went ahead and bought the damned bus.

    Dave Surls (28f866)

  128. I remember a few months ago when some posters here were calling for Gabby Giffords to resign her seat.

    Remind me again WHO, in effect, cast the deciding Yea vote in the great “capitulation to Tea Party terrorism” yesterday?

    Always remember, the last thing a Democrat wants is to be perceived as being on ‘the wrong side of history’.

    Icy Texan (d7032f)

  129. colonel declare this
    a spurty-free tuesday so
    enjoy your tuesday!

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  130. The Colonel is always at his best when quality replaces quantity.

    ropelight (463353)

  131. I’m not being snarky here – really

    This is palins time, she needs to shove this right down the throats of the people who voted for this and take this to the people loudly as she does better than most politicians

    If she is serious about being president about doing what she has been spouting off on since the nomination – she needs to take a stand

    The media will actually swoon and rush to her side as she is taking on the dreaded republicans

    This is her golden chance just like the Veco investigations in Alaska propelled her from a loser to a winner

    She can repeat her history here

    I never had a problem with what she was saying – I just had a problem with what she actually did in Alaska

    But she has a chance to right the boat here

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  132. Ok, but if she gets all scary-smart and starts building a spaceship for disabled children, I’m OUT of here.

    Bigfoot (8096f2)

  133. They tried to keep me off, but since I’m a greedy, capitalist, ober-rich, racist, RWDB…I just went ahead and bought the damned bus.

    “I am paying for this bus, Mr Breen.”

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  134. The Blaze is reporting the following:

    Biden reportedly got a “tip” from former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that Giffords would be present during the House vote Monday so the Vice President showed up to see Giffords, reportedly telling her, “now we’re both members of the ‘Cracked Head Club.’”

    Biden went on to tell reporters, “you know, I had two craniotomies. For real. They literally took the top of my head off. Twice. Now, the wags in Delaware, when the second operation occurred, wrote and said, ‘Well, it’s because they couldn’t find a brain the first time!’”

    ropelight (463353)

  135. I normally would have thought ropelight was joking.

    He’s not. It is impossible to satirize Joe Biden.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  136. Biden needed an
    episiotomy to
    extract his melon

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  137. Q: What is the difference between Epistemology and Episiotomy?
    A: Epistemology has limits.

    replied in joke form
    ’cause two words exceed haiku
    form six syllables

    Timesdislaiku (8482b7)


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