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7/5/2011

Neal Rauhauser’s New Friend: Brett Kimberlin, Speedway Bomber; Rauhauser Asks Kos Kids for a Picture of My Wife

Filed under: Brett Kimberlin,General,Neal Rauhauser — Patterico @ 1:20 am

Neal Rauhauser is now using Brett Kimberlin, Speedway Bomber, as a source to slander me.

If Neal Rauhauser wants to crawl into bed with a convicted bomber, that’s his choice.

P.S. They’re not really “new” friends. See: Indict Breitbart, etc.

P.P.S. He is accusing my wife of being involved in the online hoax, and asking people for a picture of her. And accusing me of being an online stalker!

When these people are doing something wrong themselves, it is their standard M.O. to accuse others of the same thing.

Speaking of which, he accuses someone else of being aware of “spoof cards” and using them to spoof numbers.

I am opening comments below.

464 Responses to “Neal Rauhauser’s New Friend: Brett Kimberlin, Speedway Bomber; Rauhauser Asks Kos Kids for a Picture of My Wife”

  1. Is this really acceptable behavior on the left now? This guy is asking for a picture of my wife? And Kos is going to allow that, and people will not criticize it??

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2. no, let me know what I can do

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  3. Are you really that surprised? It’s their MO.

    ∅ (e7577d)

  4. geez, what a bunch of a–holes.

    and yeah, patrick, if there is anything we can do, let us know.

    at the very least you might look into the tort of public disclosure of private facts, esp if they actually put your wife’s pic out there.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  5. You know, you have to wonder why this is happening. I mean, all you’re doing is asking a few honest questions, poking into a few dark holes and wondering about the identities of shadowy internet entities who attempt to influence the political landscape through deceit, treachery, extortion, threats and general mayhem.

    Oh, wait. Now I know why this is happening.

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  6. And, of course its acceptable behavior on the left.

    When hasn’t it been?

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  7. Where is Anita Busch to comment about the tactics of both sides?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  8. I hope mentioning use of spoofcard as a worry of mine didn’t contribute to that line of attack.

    (I mentioned I was concerned they had been used to create misdirection in Lee’s direction in JG’s claim of answering machine threats)

    The sock(s) do that, if you observe – the sock(s) pick up on things mentioned in comments and run like the wind with them.

    SarahW (af7312)

  9. Neal’s “network” of internet goons is like the nexus of the politics of personal destruction and 4chan.

    Nothing good can come of this. They make professional slime merchants like Media Matters look like saints.

    diggrbiii (98c6fb)

  10. FWIW, This is a decent primer on caller-ID spoofing and the evolution of spoofing capabilities over the years. http://www.calleridspoofing.info/

    (There are derivative aps that don’t actually allow number spoofing but let you change your voice and so forth.)

    SarahW (af7312)

  11. Cockroaches like Neal don’t like it when light gets shone on them. The level of desperation is kicking up.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  12. Is there a claim that JG MA received her alleged calls with caller ID ?

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  13. “Desperate” is what I thought when I saw his post.

    Patterico (7c1546)

  14. With Kimberlin, it’s always nice to add, convicted perjurer, drug smuggler and domestic terrorist to the description. Progressive scam artist with the bogus Velvet Revolution reward offers could be tacked on for more recent color.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  15. Forgot conspiracy theorist.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  16. That is one dumb conspiracy, btw. Kossites just have no sense at all.

    SarahW (af7312)

  17. ““Desperate” is what I thought when I saw his post.”

    So what conduct is he attempting to deflect attention from?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  18. Also Tommy never saw any face except those on the fake faxed IDs. There was no video-skyping going on.

    SarahW (af7312)

  19. “That is one dumb conspiracy, btw.”

    SarahW – I wasn’t referring to this one. Look at Brett’s history.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  20. Oh,also the little avatars with N’s face half-covered by a Yorkshire terrier to “verify” the ID of N.

    SarahW (af7312)

  21. Koam, (re spoofing of Lee’ number or anyone else’s) not out in the open, and I have no personal knowledge of same. It was just a worry I had that I mentioned.

    However, Lee did pick up on voice alteration by his account, and spoofcard aps do that – some don’t even allow spoofing numbers anymore but still do the voice thing.

    SarahW (af7312)

  22. Daleyrocks, I was only commenting on the present case. Just a bunch of foolishness.

    SarahW (af7312)

  23. Good to see more blowback from a certain someone’s unhinged behavior and accusations.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  24. Desperate, yes. It seems absolutely necessary to double-down and keep pushing back harder with the spotlight always on them and calling them out every step of the way. This will be their undoing.

    If you weren’t getting too close, they wouldn’t be taking such measures. Hitting a nerve is an understatement.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  25. Neal – Operation Bedbug

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  26. Daleyrocks, I was only commenting on the present case. Just a bunch of foolishness.

    Comment by SarahW — 7/5/2011 @ 7:58 am

    Actually not.

    Patterico (ca0dec)

  27. Strategically, it’s kind of like a theoretically guilty JG going to police….or an innocent or guilty JR9 coming to life on Twitter & here to rant, release, and answer questions.

    Why draw attention to oneself?

    And, in this case, with such obviously silly allegations and laughably stupid conclusions?

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  28. He seems to be trying to exploit the rift between Pat and Lee. The rift appears to be over investigatory techniques and theories, but Neal is trying to make it look like there is a darker underlying conflict (i.e. Lee became wise to the fact that Pat IS the sockpuppet- as ridiculous as that sounds.)

    Perhaps Lee can speak up here or on his blog as Neal mentions him several times.

    Proud Kaffir (6a2a54)

  29. I know exactly how that feels. It is very scary to have people trying to find you with your photo even though you are completely innocent. These people are bullies.

    KnowHowThisFeels (786412)

  30. Neal is really worried now, isn’t he? The daily kos article was a direct threat to patterico to silence him and a call to arms for his internet terrorists gang. You have him scared that he can’t shut this down afterall. He’s a bully and the only remedy for dealing with bullies is to use overwhelming crushing force. You have to see this through to the end. He must be defeated and you are the only one that can do that right now. God Speed to you sir.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  31. As to Neal, since he’ll probably read this:

    Neal, you loathesome creature, let’s keep families out of this. We all have families. Tommy Xtopher never even released the ID’s so your purpoted reasoning is obviously a front to intimidate.

    Do the right thing for once, Neal. Certainly you wouldn’t want anyone doing the same to your family, although I am certain everyone here has more class than you.

    Proud Kaffir (6a2a54)

  32. Is this really acceptable behavior on the left now? This guy is asking for a picture of my wife? And Kos is going to allow that, and people will not criticize it??

    No, it’s not acceptable behavior. It’s an obvious and ugly attempt to intimidate you and it reflects poorly on Moulitsas that this diarist feels free to engage in it.

    Weiner destroyed himself. I haven’t followed the sock-puppetry investigation because I didn’t expect it to produce much of interest. But you have every right to pursue it and people who try to scare you off by invoking your job or your family should be condemned. Their behavior is beyond the pale.

    angeleno (ba20e9)

  33. I don’t think anyone believes that stuff, to be honest. It was like when Weiner was claiming to have been hacked and someone over there was accusing Breitbart of having done it. It was ridiculous and even their own readers knew it.

    They are probably in trouble over there and need a story to attract traffic for the ad views. I honestly don’t believe most people are taking it very seriously. Maybe a few wacky l-wingers, you know, the 9/11 truther types and the ones who think we never landed on the moon might believe it but I think maybe people are reading it for entertainment value.

    Sort of like how we read the Weekly World News as kids. We didn’t believe a single story in it but we would buy it because it was so hilariously “out there”.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  34. @32 angeleno

    I agree with you and I am surprised that Moulitsas would allow his brand to be associated with that sort of stuff. But hey, I suppose it must be desperate times over there.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  35. I understand you take the business seriously, Patrick – but the ideas espoused are ridiculous.

    SarahW (af7312)

  36. When I was told amateur “investigators” within THIS CIRCLE (on the right) were using my picture to try and find me, I was AFRAID. This is no different from that. Patterico’s wife is innocent and no one has the right to bully her or threaten her safety. I ended up sending Patterico my name and address so people on the right would leave me alone.
    It’s all fun and games to those NOT the subject of this kind of unfounded vitriol. To the “hunted” it is terrifying. She needs to be left alone.

    KnowHowThisFeels (786412)

  37. “Do the right thing for once, Neal. Certainly you wouldn’t want anyone doing the same to your family”

    Proud Kaffir – Wait, what evidence do we have that somebody like Neal can breed?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  38. 35.I understand you take the business seriously, Patrick – but the ideas espoused are ridiculous.

    Comment by SarahW — 7/5/2011 @ 8:27 am

    Very unhelpful, Pat in the course of his job duties and that of his wife – must enjoy some level of seclusion = making light of it isnt helpful

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  39. Proud Kaffir – Wait, what evidence do we have that somebody like Neal can breed?

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2007/11/08/paper-promotes-anti-bush-video-pot-dealing-speedway-bomber

    Proud Kaffir (6a2a54)

  40. Oops. The story is about Kimberlin, not Neal.

    Proud Kaffir (6a2a54)

  41. Before everyone starts falling all over themselves, I am Artist_R aka Clay_arts aka Nancy.
    Yes I sent Patterico my information so he would call off the hounds. I truly feel for him in this situation. Before all of this, I had a stalker. To have someone actively trying to locate you when you are completely innocent takes away your security.

    KnowHowThisFeels (786412)

  42. Eric for heaven’s sake. I was not “making light” of Patrick’s natural distress in any way. I said the conspiracy theory espoused was ridiculous. And it is.

    SarahW (af7312)

  43. KnowsHowThisFeels:

    What are you talking about? How are you in anyway involved in this case? Nancy who?

    Proud Kaffir (6a2a54)

  44. Stuff like this turns most average people off. It plays well with a hard core l-winger base it won’t do much to attract average folks to their cause. In fact, it would probably do the opposite. So I guess if the site is losing views anyway, getting extreme will tend to make those that remain a little “stickier”.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  45. Sarah

    Your comment was unhelpful almost as unehlpful as your follow up comment

    you gave the impression that Pat is concerned and he shouldnt because the theories are “ridiculous”

    This isnt about facts anymore – its about people wanting to harm the Freys – pure and simple

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  46. KnowsHowThisFeels:

    What are you talking about? How are you in anyway involved in this case? Nancy who?

    Comment by Proud Kaffir — 7/5/2011 @ 8:52 am
    ____________________
    Exactly my point. I’m not yet people were trying to find me. I befriended Dan Wolfe after this story broke and because of that, I became the subject of scrutiny. I guess it’s “guilt by association.” Just because someone is suspicious of me does not give them the right to find me.

    KnowHowThisFeels (786412)

  47. Among the other rewards deserved by “Stranded Winds”s for the oafish attempt to intimidate Patrick is mockery.

    I reserve the right to call him lame and sucky at spinning anything, among other deserved descriptors.

    SarahW (af7312)

  48. Eric, I did no such thing, and you are mistaken if you saw it in that light.

    SarahW (af7312)

  49. We’re not dealing with rational people here. Before Weiner confessed, Rauhauser had proof – PROOF! – from his “sources” that this whole thing was engineered by Breitbart.

    In the world where we live in, the sane and rational world, Weiner’s confession (that he was the one who sent the tweet) completely destroyed Neal’s credibility. (Let’s just assume this was the first time you’d ever heard of the guy, for argument’s sake.)

    But as you can see, there are people at DailyKos, etc. who still believe this guy. They still think he’s telling the truth. They’re not rational.

    So when Neal says “It would be interesting if someone got a picture of Patterico’s wife…” he’s asking those same irrational loons to go and dig up what they can find on her. He can claim all day long he’s only asking for a pic to “prove” this ridiculous theory that Patterico and his wife might be involved in this sock puppet nonsense, but the intent is to intimidate Patterico and anyone else who doesn’t believe his lunacy.

    This is what he does. He tries to scare conservatives into silence. He’s a menace. He’s a sick, twisted fascist brownshirt.

    diggrbiii (98c6fb)

  50. He’s also a pinhead who thinks he’s a mastermind.

    SarahW (af7312)

  51. I am praying for you and yours and everyone that is at risk or endangered in all these matters.
    Stay safe. Be careful.

    Sue (24e46b)

  52. “Stuff like this turns most average people off. It plays well with a hard core l-winger base it won’t do much to attract average folks to their cause. In fact, it would probably do the opposite.”

    crosspatch – I think exposing what batsh*t crazy progressives do to intimidate their opposition and win elections is important news.

    Plus, without discussing details, there are many fruitful LE directions this can potentially lead.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  53. Diggrbiii you are being kind. He is human excrement. Neal would lie about his family if they were conservative or had a view point different than his. He is a poor excuse for a political operative and one of the worst theorists I have ever read. I know he did a piece on a group I know all to well. It looked like a five year old put it together. Nothing in it was true and he said he had other sources that “let” him publish the information. Pat, I really thought this was a stupid comment Neal wrote. Coincidentally Pat’s wife is a DA also. Why would that be a coincidence? Lawyers marry all the time. Here is a headline. Coincidentally, Stranded Wind has not been right on this situation once, oh wait,, that isn’t coincidence it is because he is lying.

    mikemadden59 (3cb7fd)

  54. I thought it came out on in a Stage Right interview that Tommy never literally spoke to any of the Reid family members. He only had electronic communication with them. Email, fax, IM and DM no talky talky.

    Neal’s “conspiracy” doesn’t really make any sense. Unless of course you understand the basic principle of projection.

    Seems to be another example as to why the dKos and company is still seen as irrelevant to the rest of the rational world.

    I’m not a lawyer, I only pretend to be one when real lawyers aren’t around, so I don’t know what all your legal options are in a situation like this but I hope you use them.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  55. @ crosspatch # 33

    From what I read over at dKos at the beginning of Weinergate people over there were taking the “hacked” theory very seriously. In fact they were all pretty pissed at the techies in the bunch that sold them on the yfrom and twitter hack story.

    Although some still to this day think it was a hack and Weiner was blackmailed into confessing to it. Lee had up links to their lunacy. The people being rational at dKos were definitely in the minority.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  56. @52

    I believe that the way P does it is reasonable. I wasn’t talking about this site, I was talking about Kos.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  57. @55 yeah, there are a lot of people over there that can convince themselves of anything. It’s a good thing we have places like that, really. It keeps them off of the sites I actually read.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  58. 47 SarahW

    Yeah, the rep of this NR is bad ethics, good skills. (I don’t know much, but isn’t that what a lot of people say?)

    And I know you’re a harsh critic, but even a weak critic like me sees bad skills in that Kos thing Pat linked to.

    What’s the point of doing it if it’s going to be so obviously wrong?

    I don’t get it.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  59. 45 Eric

    I think you took Sarah’s comment the wrong way, and that she has clarified that in her replies.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  60. 54 J5A

    I don’t recall Tommy saying on Stage Right that there were not telephone conversations with Mrs Patricia Reid.

    Colby Hall, in the aftermath articles, says that there was extensive email & telephone contact between these sources (Reids, MA)

    Tommmy says “telephone conversations with Betty’s mother”

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/mediaites-tommy-christopher-explains-reporting-of-weinergate-sources-betty-and-veronica/

    If he denied that to Larry, I missed it.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  61. What’s going to be gained by proving NR is extreme & makes stuff up? Isn’t that his job?

    Wouldn’t most mid-left people and Journos (TC, CH, JP, etc.) just correctly rationalize that NR is fringe, irrelevant, and “not one of us.”

    That these types of activities don’t make the left wrong?

    That there are extremists on both sides of every issue that don’t invalidate or discredit either side because they’re so ridiculous?

    So, other than to ridicule the ridiculous piece in Kos, what’s the point of continuing to focus on this flake?

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  62. Anyone who talks about the “ACORN smear” without understanding that the story involved nothing but a far left group all too willing to assist in the commercial rape of under age girls for the financial benefit of left wing groups and left wing politicians does not need to be taken seriously.

    Have Blue (dbbcd4)

  63. My favorite was when Neal apparently contacted the FBI about Mike Stack based on nothing. Neal did however talk about collaboration with a hacker group and encouraged stalking and harassment of Stack. We can also point to his sexual harassment and general creepiness toward Ms. Loesch. And now this. I hope he caught the FBIs attention.

    The Cradle Will Rock (70c05e)

  64. This is horrifying.

    Patterico, if there’s anything I can do for you, don’t hesitate to ask.

    Anyone who talks about the “ACORN smear” without understanding that the story involved nothing but a far left group all too willing to assist in the commercial rape of under age girls for the financial benefit of left wing groups and left wing politicians does not need to be taken seriously.

    Comment by Have Blue

    I think this is a very good analogy for the clumsy efforts regarding Weinergate. ACORN exposed truly awful behavior for which there is no excuse, but some of the left’s most devoted decided to make a new rule that if you catch someone in a sting operation, that was a dirty trick, and the sting is now the only issue that matters.

    It’s a crude deflection. Same with the ‘is the bornfreecrew a sting?!?!?!’ crap. It doesn’t ultimately even matter, given Weiner’s shameful and actual conduct, but under the new rule, a desperate effort to make this story into some kind of hoax drama is underway.

    And also, some of the people involved appear to be mentally ill and just going for broke, bringing family into this, or being reckless with the facts in order to sensationalize their coverage (of course I’m not talking about Patterico). It’s a few extra factors really bringing this story into a trainwreck mode.

    ———-

    SarahW expresses what I’m thinking with her typical clarity. This Neal guy is a jackass who wants to pretend to be some kind of incredibly clever mastermind. If he were, he wouldn’t look like this.

    Brett Kimberlin has been running around behind the scenes of Bradblog, dealing with dissenters, for an awful long time (or at least this much was obvious to anyone paying close attention). These people are cowards. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t dangerous. Brett was cowardly when he mangled that poor innocent man’s body with a bomb, and whoever executed that poor old lady who was keeping Brett away from her granddaughter (hmmm, I wonder who?) was also a coward.

    I don’t know what else to say.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  65. BTW, I don’t think SarahW is making light of the crimes being committed against the Frey family. She’s right this is a ridiculous issue for them to be so motivated by, but I think Neal is mentally ill, and it’s been clear Brett is a pathetic busybody for a very long time… exactly the sort of guy to take his internet drama too far.

    EPWJ, I understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t think Sarah sees the crimes as anything but serious.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  66. If this creep is actually getting paid by people (candidates/DNC), those are the ones that need to be exposed ASAP.

    Does the FEC also need to be involved if he is being paid? Probably, no?

    Auntie Fraud (e71ad9)

  67. Good point, Auntie. Anyone affiliated with Neal should be blamed for empowering him.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  68. Also, I’ll never forget reading a Kos thread where Socrates, AKA Prepostericity (I never spell it right) was trying to explain who Brett Kimberlin and one of his allies really were to someone who was provably and obviously lying. The thread was nearly unanimous in condemning Socrates, calling him a stalker, and simply being insane, wrong, and hostile.

    Something about Kos attracts the most devoted liars.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  69. Amazing that this POS pops back up, isn’t it Patterico?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  70. KnowHowThisFeels–I never attack anyone on here,so please don’t take this the wrong way–Your comment–”Exactly my point. I’m not yet people were trying to find me. I befriended Dan Wolfe after this story broke and because of that, I became the subject of scrutiny. I guess it’s “guilt by association.” Just because someone is suspicious of me does not give them the right to find me”

    Holds no water with me.I befriended Dan in January. After this happened,he disappeared and REFUSED to acknowledge my messages to him.
    Because of my association with him,my whole life went out on the internet. So, I guess it’s “screwed by association’,huh?
    But scrutiny and malicious acts are two very different forms of pain. And after Weiner admitted that he was responsible for HIS actions,I still have people running my name thru the mud. Every day.
    And wrong.people have the right to do whatever they want.People are evil. People will go to any length to satisfy their desire to run another human being down. Especially the lowlifes that we are dealing with. So I am sorry for what you have gone thru, but because this lie is perpetuated each and every day,over and over again, it is affecting my family,friends, and real life,just like it is Patrick’s.
    You’re lucky you have just caught a whiff of the bad side.
    So,please realize that I am not being rude, but this makes me sick to my stomach every day.
    Especially when an idiot who says he’s gonna turn me into the FBI, because he “has proof” that I hacked into Weiners social media sites.
    Hi Neal!!

    goatsred (b20383)

  71. And Patrick, you know I’m there for you,BTW.

    goatsred (b20383)

  72. Hang in there, Mike. I still don’t know what the hell was up with PatriotUSA, but some of the possibilities get really ugly. If Jenny wasn’t what some have tried to make her into, that means someone is willing to cross any line.

    And Brett’s involvement is scary. Just don’t pick up and idle gym bags you come across. I still don’t understand why people decided to hate you so much, but some do, so just look after yourself.

    I’m convinced Neal is crazy, but I think he may play it up if that suits getting people to take him less seriously. Obviously you know better.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  73. “So, other than to ridicule the ridiculous piece in Kos, what’s the point of continuing to focus on this flake?”

    koam @wittier – Seriously? You cannot think of any reasons?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  74. “I’m convinced Neal is crazy, but I think he may play it up if that suits getting people to take him less seriously. Obviously you know better.

    Comment by Dustin”

    ‘Crazy’ is a convenient but not a scientific term. I don’t want to psychoanalyze a psycho, but…

    NR is on the record as having a form of Autism if not Asperger Syndrome itself. He writes about autism online.

    Does this matter? Should it matter?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

    Auntie Fraud (12967a)

  75. Auntie, I recognize he’s got problems upstairs (though I’m not sure asperger syndrome is an adequate explanation). I think Neal knows what he’s doing is wrong, and intentionally trying to horrify and chill the expression of his adversaries. I also think he intentionally goes over the top because he can then attempt to laugh off his worst conduct.

    And that’s not an attempt to defend him. I agree with you that a great direction to take this is to identify which political organizations empowered this evil person.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  76. In my experience the people with Asperger’s are extremely detail oriented and don’t at all like the notion that there are unexplained loose ends. Most of the folks with Asperger’s that I have had contact with are coders for software products. They just don’t sleep until they fix that bug. On the other hand, they do seem quick to tell people that what they want is “wrong” and enforce policy decisions in code. For example, I remember a mail program that would refuse to deliver mail to its target domain if the target domain’s DNS wasn’t configured in a certain manner. The developer dug in his heels and refused to change it. As a result, what was a popular mail delivery agent has a usage of something pretty close to zero. BUT, the developer is happy because his program does the “right thing”, even if nobody uses it anymore.

    So someone with that syndrome can be very stubborn, at least in my experience.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  77. Stubborn to the extent of cutting off their nose to spite their face.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  78. The important point to me is Rauhauser’s escalation of acceptable online behavior. When Deb Frisch targeted Jeff G’s son several years ago, her behavior was considered unthinkable. Now he is soliciting photos of bloggers’ wives because he doesn’t like their husbands’ politics. I don’t know what I’d call it but ‘ridiculous’ doesn’t come close.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  79. Well, this doesn’t seem to be simply about politics. There is a reason why people are taking extreme measures to attempt to prevent people looking too deeply into this story.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  80. Though I don’t pretend to know what that reason is.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  81. crosspatch, I don’t know anything you don’t about Neal, but Brett Kimberlin’s motivation appears to often be money. He and his partner, Brad, have raised tremendous sums of money by selling their audience contrived BS. They have simultaneously stolen the mantle of election reform away from real election fraud and conned donors into thinking hackers are stealing elections.

    Brett has been many things, often a violent psycho, pathetic pervert, grandiose boasting loser (read Citizen K), but most of all, he’s been an expert at convincing morons to be worried about conspiracy theories.

    You’d perhaps be a bit surprised just how much money we’re talking about. I linked some of their tax documents a while back on this blog, but Patterico and Socrates really did the hard working explaining what was going on. When you’re a con artist, perhaps its important to silence anyone willing to expose what’s going on. I think that may be what you’re getting at in #79.

    DRJ’s right that these people are lowering the bar on what’s acceptable behavior.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  82. I’m sure many people here are specifically aware of the pertinent telecommunications statute, but I’m vaguely aware that while you can sue the commenter himself, a website operator generally has immunity against liability for defamatory comments posted on an open forum by that commenter.

    My question is: What’s the situation with Kos “diarists,” who need specific approval from the site operator(s), maybe from Kos himself? Isn’t the liability situation here that same as for a magazine or book publisher, i.e., you can sue both the author and the publisher? (And maybe Kos too personally, and just the “Daily Kos” corporation or LLC he controls, if he personally approved the defamatory post.)

    Brian (01bc92)

  83. When Deb Frisch targeted Jeff G’s son several years ago, her behavior was considered unthinkable. Now he is soliciting photos of bloggers’ wives because he doesn’t like their husbands’ politics. I don’t know what I’d call it but ‘ridiculous’ doesn’t come close.

    Comment by DRJ — 7/5/2011 @ 12:33 pm

    Well said, and would only add that “fascistic” (channelling Olbermann) does come pretty close. Yeesh.

    no one you know (325a59)

  84. #72 Thanks Dustin.

    goatsred (b20383)

  85. I remember that pathetic ‘Did Glenn Beck rape and murder a kid’ nonsense. The same commenter who posted Patterico’s address and worshiped Brett Kimberlin was the one who kept parroting that ‘satire’ about Beck.

    Same commenter attempted to out Socrates.

    Same commenter had a perverted sense of humor, reminding my a lot of this Neal weirdo’s pedophilia themed twitter attacks that many have discussed.

    Google removed the view of Neal’s conduct, claiming SME has a copyright to it. Did anyone save it?

    Now that Neal and Brett are openly working together, it’s hard not to wonder if IMDW actually is Neal. There can’t be that many perverts trolling this blog.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  86. NOYK, great film to reference. I think that people like Rauhauser operate without any sort of ethic as long as it pushes the issue in the direction they need it to go. I can almost hear him say, It’s nothing personal, just business.

    And yet to those with moral clarity and integrity, it’s anything but…

    Dana (4eca6e)

  87. My follow-up question would be, why is anyone shocked that the left keeps pushing the boundaries farther and farther? In just what situation have you seen them (we all know who) evidence ethical behavior, opting to forego character assassination, thuggery or attempts at intimidation because their collective conscience compels them to – or even an acute value of truth they might hold?

    Dana (4eca6e)

  88. My follow-up question would be, why is anyone shocked that the left keeps pushing the boundaries farther and farther?

    It surprises me because I would think it would so obviously backfire that even a nihilist wouldn’t try it.

    But will it backfire?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  89. My follow-up question would be, why is anyone shocked that the left keeps pushing the boundaries farther and farther? In just what situation have you seen them (we all know who) evidence ethical behavior, opting to forego character assassination, thuggery or attempts at intimidation because their collective conscience compels them to – or even an acute value of truth they might hold?

    Comment by Dana — 7/5/2011 @ 1:39 pm

    Yep, Dana. People mock the idea that the right (statistically) being religious while the left (statistically) being less so means much about their respective positions, but the truth is that if you don’t think yourself accountable to any higher power than man, it explains quite a bit really almost everything about not only your positions on what’s right and wrong, but about what you will do to advance the enforcement of your worldview.

    IOW liberals mock “bitter clingers,” but we conservatives not only feel ourselves generally bound to the rule of law made by man, but feel the boundaries of our “private” or “unseen” (heh) behavior circumscribed by the One who sees everything.

    no one you know (325a59)

  90. #89 noyk

    Well said! +++1

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  91. Dana and NOYK–

    We’ve also seen clear evidence of this boundary pushing mentality and the by whatever means necessary approach by the left in Wisconsin this spring and summer.

    elissa (fb4a7e)

  92. #70, I am not seeking your acceptance.

    I just erased a whole “counter” to your “attack.” I just erased again. We have no reason to have any interaction.

    KnowsHowThisFeels (786412)

  93. With Neal’s name out in the open, a lot of “new” commenters suddenly disappeared.

    Coincidence?

    I think not.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  94. “Neal Rauhauser’s New Friend: Brett Kimberlin, Speedway Bomber…”

    Well, you know what they say…scumbags of a feather, flock together.

    Dave Surls (13bb9e)

  95. Wow, I am absolutely amazed at the levels that are being used here. I know, I shouldn’t be, but to include a family? WTF. With the death threats that have already been given, surely LE will get involved. Sad to say that there are evil people in this world and I think they have proved where some of them are. Yes at KOS. I have absolutely no skills to help in this, but if there is anything you and your family need pls ask. My prayers for you and your family.

    freedom_costs (51c21c)

  96. Sadly I am new and had the misfortune to come to twitter during weinergate. I also don’t use my name so of course I am suspect. I understand, and when this is finished I hope that some of you that I respect will give me a chance.

    Before it was fun to see the twists and turns, now it appears to have brought out the crazies.
    Please all be safe!!!!

    freedom_costs (51c21c)

  97. Neal Rauhauser & KOS are lowest of low. They will say and do anything for the end result they want. They have zero standards and an audiance of idiots who will believe whatever they spew.

    redrivergrl (2668a6)

  98. I left something similar on the Monster blog by accident.

    Sick scary sad stuff. I knew people were hung out to dry for even questioning the left but wow. I had no idea it went to this level of disgusting. Horrible.

    BTW does anyone have any idea why he posted the email w/ Lee as proof of anything at all? All he said was “Doesn’t bother me” ??? What?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  99. Sorry meant monster thread

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  100. Somehow i can’t get past that Lee is a puppet of Neals, and it was all about going after Andrew Breitbart et.al. Weiner would gladly participate in such a scheme given his vendetta against Justice Thomas as just one of many examples of his M.O. He was working with neal all along to expose the “crew” that included goatsred. Weiner’s closeness to Hill and Bill and Neals closeness to 44 democrat campaigns can not be discounted. Neals closeness to Anonymouse/Lulzsec cannot be discounted. I think weiner messed it up by being himself and it exploded on them. Tell me how this theory is wrong? Why the threats? cuz what may be uncovered is worth it to someone.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  101. I’m noticing a trending of a varient of the nuts and sluts strategy. Now, everyone wants to dismiss Neal as just a nut…nothing to see here, just a nut. Where have I heard that before?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  102. Maybe weiner’s wife’s connection to the muslim brotherhood and being hillary’s closest galpal is an issue. It’s a real national security issue and is the rreal reason why weinergate was a scandal in the first place. There is a reason for all this. Where’s deep throat when you need him? there are lots of stories out there now about how the left has collaborated with the muslim brotherhood over the arab spring. Weiner’s wife is at the heart of all that. She’s there with no scrutiny.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  103. Here I am, daleyrocks.

    This is not about the tactics of the left or the right. It’s is bully tactics of an individual, as nancydrew pointed out.

    Patrick, you and your family are now being harassed. Let law enforcement know the latest of this and let the cards fall where they may for Mr. Neal.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  104. Hmm I am reminded of a story from when I was a kid. Nice fishing trip planned great weather. We bought some bad worms from a bait guy and don’t you know it? We couldn’t catch any fish….

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  105. Point being. Beware of bad bait.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  106. “This is not about the tactics of the left or the right. It’s is bully tactics of an individual, as nancydrew pointed out.”

    Anita – I completely disagree. When it was deployed and sanctioned in 44 campaigns last year it is not about an individual. When it was used against the U.S. Chamber of Commerce by a range of progressive bloggers it is not about an individual. It was deployed in Wisconsin this year to harass citizens and businesses. It was also deployed in 2008.

    Please point to something similar on the right to give your argument some validity.

    Your party is infected and sick. It’s a pity you cannot open your eyes and see it.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  107. Daleyrocks
    Double ditto

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  108. “It’s is bully tactics of an individual, as nancydrew pointed out.”

    Anita – I don’t know nancydrew, but I believe she was posting criminal background information about someone on a thread several days ago until commenters persuaded an administrator to delete it.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  109. Please correct me if I am mistaken and thinking of somebody else.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  110. daley,

    I remember the comment, it was a detailed police report…but I don’t remember it being NancyDrew who posted it. Whoever it was replied to JD’s immediate condemnation of it with a, what’s the big deal sort of attitude (after all, they said, it was public info)… let me scroll back…

    Dana (4eca6e)

  111. Here it is daley,

    #38 – Nasty. That’s just sick and stupid and wrong.

    It is a public record. It’s not sick, nor stupid, nor wrong.

    Comment by Ms. Alicia Pain — 6/30/2011 @ 9:59pm

    Dana (4eca6e)

  112. whoa…what? 106 I never said that. I never posted a police report. Uh oh..disinformation.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  113. is it possible to sort comments by commenter?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  114. daleyrocks: Karl Rove was fired because he was even too dirty for Nixon … yes, the criminally insane Nixon.

    No, it doesn’t happen? No? Watch the documentary Hot Coffee and tell me what you think.

    The Dems are NOT my party. I’ve voted both ways. I am an Independent and always will be.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  115. The police rapsheet and Ron’s address were posted under the name ‘Alicia Pain’ rather than Nancy Drew.

    “Somehow i can’t get past that Lee is a puppet of Neals,”

    I doubt this.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  116. nancy drew is not alicia pain. alicia pain is neal and nancy drew might have uncovered the real plot. thus, now the attempt to connect nancy drew as alicia pain? is that how that misinformation, disinformation pass along behind the scenes thing works? did i miss that left turn?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  117. anita hill george bush? Jenna and Nikki? Starting to see a pattern to the names.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  118. nancy drew might have uncovered the real plot.

    Where?

    I think Daleyrocks made an honest mistake. Let it go. I can vouch that he certainly does not want to cover up the ‘real plot’.

    Karl Rove was fired because he was even too dirty for Nixon

    I’ll never understand the certainty that Karl is the devil. If he’s ever done something as nasty as this pathetic Neal worm, I’ve never heard of it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  119. anita hill george bush? Jenna and Nikki? Starting to see a pattern to the names.

    Comment by nancydrew

    Anita Busch is a long time commenter and an honorable person, despite having almost completely opposite politics to mine.

    You need to stop casting aspersions on people at the drop of a hat. Maybe you would prefer Leestranahan.com?

    Maybe weiner’s wife’s connection to the muslim brotherhood and being hillary’s closest galpal is an issue.

    This is hysterical, and appears to be a diversion. Occam’s razor says you’re sincere and just silly, but someone recently noted Occam never met a con artist.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  120. 103….Anita hill busch..I never made that comment. You made that up. why? You spun it again later. why?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  121. I’m horrified. Keep yourself and your family safe.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  122. NancyDrew … see your comment#30 … I didn’t make anything up. You called Neal a bully. I was giving you credit for first using the word bully. Geez Louise.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  123. Dustin…you don’t know about Huma? Go to Pajamas media. It’s detailed. It’s serious. Oh boy. this is also familiar tactic. Dustin…your tone of voice sounds familiar. I’m not making anything up or casting aspersions. Do your own research. I think you know though, don’t you. Why do you care what I say? Why get so animated?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  124. I said he was a bully. I didn’t say it wasn’t about left or right. I think it’s all about left and right. Neal is how the left behaves. they always did, even before Neal. He’s just the latest generation to do it.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  125. 103….Anita hill busch..I never made that comment. You made that up. why? You spun it again later. why?

    Comment by nancydrew — 7/5/2011 @ 7:32 pm

    Who are you replying to?

    If me, then I was talking about this comment:

    anita hill george bush? Jenna and Nikki? Starting to see a pattern to the names.

    Comment by nancydrew — 7/5/2011 @ 7:28 pm

    Dustin (b7410e)

  126. oh sorry…I may have confused Dustin wtih anita. if I did sorry. comment is the same regardless.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  127. Why get so animated?

    Comment by nancydrew

    You’re the one freaking out about an issue that is not relevant to Neal and Brett threatening someone’s family.

    Dustin…your tone of voice sounds familiar.

    LOL

    I think you know though, don’t you.

    About Huma? Sure. And that was interesting a month ago.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  128. @nancydrew … yes, of course, I understand how it could be misread, but my intention was only to give you credit for first using the word bully in regards to Neal.

    I think human nature being such, there are bad people on BOTH sides … right and left.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  129. And besides you are sidetracking … the real issue is the slander and harassment to Patrick’s family.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  130. I may have confused Dustin wtih anita.

    Why don’t you slow down and attempt to make a more intelligible point, instead of trying hard to come up with the most theories? Anita and I have almost nothing in common. Our tone is not similar. Our opinions are not similar.

    Frankly, there are a lot of mobies running around lately, and they are lamer than usual. I think the reason is that Neal just doesn’t have the basic intelligence needed to be a convincing actor. Unfortunately, you’re just not coming across very well right now. Hold off for a bit and take my word for it that Daley, Anita, and many others here are actually sincere.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  131. btw, I wouldn’t be surprised if Nancy is 100% genuine, but just trying too hard. There’s probably going to be a lot of friendly fire for a while.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  132. Actually George HW Bush made him the head of the College Republicans, despite some minor controversy,which was blown up in the post, what has to do with
    harassment and intimidation of a third party, is beyond all understanding,

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  133. no..the real issue is weiner and why all this is going on still. the real issue is Huma and her connection to weiner and hillary. the real issue is the potential influence of the muslim brother hood within this administration. the real issue is national security and weiner being able to be blackmailed. by whom? maybe the muslim brotherhood. the real issue is why everyone is still “confused” and chasing people down irrelevant avenues other than this. Why call in neal?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  134. anita hill george bush? Jenna and Nikki?

    Starting to see a pattern to the names.

    Comment by nancydrew — 7/5/2011 @ 7:28 pm

    Each has one name that ends in a vowel? I don’t see it, what connection are you inferring, it’s flying over my head.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  135. @nancydrew … uh, how about an apology for saying that I made something up and then spun it?

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  136. This is important, considering that one of Wiener’s few strongpoints was his stance against the Sauds, specially the indoctrination effort through text books

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  137. but I believe she was posting criminal background information about someone on a thread several days ago until commenters persuaded an administrator to delete it.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    No, if it’s the same incident, I think that was “Alicia Pain.”

    I only remember because I wigged out and called her a nasty little perv. Twice.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  138. “Comment by Ms. Alicia Pain — 6/30/2011 @ 9:59pm”

    Dana – Thank you for supplying the correct information.

    nancydrew needs some decaf.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  139. This is important, considering that one of Wiener’s few strongpoints was his stance against the Sauds, specially the indoctrination effort through text books

    Comment by ian cormac —

    He actually was a bit of a hawk in years past.

    But anyway, Weiner has changed from the dominant aspect of the story to a distraction. Sure, Huma’s circle is relevant because she works with the State Department at a high level. But relevant to the harassment of Patterico and others? I’m not seeing how.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  140. Anita – I remember you claiming to be an independent. Most journalist do. Your positions are all left, at least the ones you disclosed that night.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  141. Naw, I some what would be labeled as liberal views and some of what would be labeled as conservative views. I believe strongly in capital punishment, for instance, and power to the states.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  142. “Karl Rove was fired because he was even too dirty for Nixon”

    Anita – Rove was fired? Who knew!

    Was he “fired” to prevent all the pending multiple indictments and the frog march?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  143. He was also fired from the 1992 Bush presidential campaign for dirty tricks, Mr. DaleyRocks.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  144. It’s curious to me, nancy drew, that I had you covered immediately after daley’s comment at #109 (see my #110 & #111) and yet you somehow missed those. Daley clearly stated, Please correct me if I am mistaken and thinking of somebody else.

    I did correct him, and rather quickly just to make sure no one was falsely implicated.

    How did you miss that?

    Dana (4eca6e)

  145. Dana, nancydrew is not paying attention nor does she have the character to admit when she is wrong.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  146. I like pop rocks and gummy bears

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  147. Yes, Anita, I realize that. But I wanted to make the point.

    This is not the time (or should I say thread)for jumping to conclusions.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  148. Observation, Dana. Observation.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  149. Anita, I didn’t read every Nancy Drew book at least 3x each for nothing.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  150. Is the monster thread causing trouble for anyone else? My laptop does not seem to love it.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  151. LOL, Dana. Same here.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  152. Karl Rove was fired because he was even too dirty for Nixon … yes, the criminally insane Nixon.

    Huh? Nixon fired Karl Rove?! When, and from what job? WTH are you talking about?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  153. “Karl Rove was fired because he was even too dirty for Nixon … yes, the criminally insane Nixon.”

    Milhouse – That statement by the “Independent” Anita Busch I believe refers to Rove’s resignation in August of 2007. As far as I know, the firing claim is single sourced to a book by a Time magazine reporter.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  154. Sorry, Mistaken. Wrong President, but he was the dirty tricks guy from waaay back:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKsegretti.htm

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  155. Rove was born in 1950. Kind of hard for him to have been much of a playa in the Richard Nixon admin.

    elissa (fb4a7e)

  156. Look up Rove and George McGovern, Elissa.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  157. I seem to recall some incredibly lame attempt in Salon to use the words Watergate and Rove in the same sentence. Rove was just a college kid, and apparently the left needed a source to anonymously describe Rove in hysterical terms that had nothing to do with anything he ever did. It’s amusing because no one on the left is really afraid of Rove. He’s their favorite punching bag.

    Let’s bring it full circle.

    Brett Kimberlin, convicted bomber and absolute creep, sends a message to Karl Rove by being photographed with him.

    Obviously, Rove had no idea at the time who this guy was. Bradblog thought this was hilarious, though they were also cagey about who this monster was exactly.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  158. Note what they captioned the picture as. “Rove and the Regime Changer”.

    Why would they call someone who was a violent and politically active a ‘regime changer’?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  159. I heard an interview with Rove once. He said he only started becoming “politically aware” in the Nixon administration. The way he talked about it led me to believe he was still in college at the time.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  160. Anita, of course there are tricksters on both sides.

    Of course there are unkind souls on both sides.

    I don’t see a lot of ‘I want to see your wife’s photo’ from paid conservative activists.

    Hacking Obama’s website to say

    1. Politicians and other public servants lie
    2. Politicians tell you what you want to hear and offer to provide things for ‘free’ to get votes. 3. When government buys, the people pay.”

    Just doesn’t compare to what we’re seeing from Neal. What I hope is that those on the left who support or affiliate with bradblog, Kos, Kimberlin, and Neal are completely shunned from democrat activism as they would be if this happened on the right.

    There is no chance such activity would be tolerated from mainstream conservatives. Hell, I bet that benign hacking of the website would end the career of any prominent player.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  161. What was “dirty tricks” in 1992 is de rigueur in 2011.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  162. What was “dirty tricks” in 1992 is de rigueur in 2011.

    Comment by crosspatch — 7/5/2011 @ 9:30 pm

    That’s a good point too.

    What specifically did Karl Rove do. I mean, it sounds like he was skinning people alive or smuggling nuclear weapons, but what exactly was it? Are we not even sure? Perhaps he wasn’t compatible with Bush 41′s team, rather than too evil for them?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  163. The sources cited are Counterpunch and Spartacus?

    Oh.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  164. Not just Counterpunch, but Wayne Madsen, the Chavez loving Abbott to McGovern’s Costello, stars of Putin’s RT, paid up members of the VIPS.

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  165. Ian – to say nothing of all-around nut-job. I keep trying to read his articles, but it’s akin to being drunk with a high fever.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  166. “yes, the criminally insane Nixon”

    LOL.

    Got us out of the “liberal” Democrat created Vietnam quagmire, AND put an end to the slave army system (aka “The Draft”, also created by the “liberal” Democrats (involuntary servitude being one of their favorite practices).

    One of our better presidents (despite being WAY too liberal).

    Did more good for this country then any Democrat that was ever spawned.

    If Nixon was insane, we could do with a lot more of that kind of insanity.

    Dave Surls (93eff9)

  167. Supposedly Rove leaked a negative story about another campaign staffer to Bob Novak. We “never” see negative stories leaked these days, do we?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  168. “Anita Busch is a long time commenter and an honorable person…”

    You can be those things and also be a complete nitwit.

    Just sayin’

    Dave Surls (93eff9)

  169. Heck, these days you see negative stories leaked by staffers about the candidate.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  170. Patrick obviously considers Anita an honorable person, that is good enough for me. And if you don’t live in LA, people like Anita are pretty much considered a conservative on the Westside.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  171. I think the Hitchhiker’s guide, had the experience
    best described:

    ‘It’s like being hit with a brick, wrapped around
    a lemon’

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  172. Just because someone doesn’t reach the same conclusions I do on an issue doesn’t make them dishonorable. If they don’t bother trying to reach a conclusion, though, and simply parrot the position of their social affinity group, I don’t see a lot of honor in that. Those are generally spotted by their heavy use of “buzz” words.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  173. “Anita Busch is a long time commenter and an honorable person…”

    I have no dispute with the above. Does not prevent you from being delusional either.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  174. If they don’t bother trying to reach a conclusion, though, and simply parrot the position of their social affinity group, I don’t see a lot of honor in that

    Well, frankly, there isn’t a lot of honor to be had in the mere world of arguing about politics on the internet. What honor there is simply lies in being intellectually honest, but even that barely moves the meter.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  175. Does not prevent you from being delusional either.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    Hey, ever since that global warming discussion I’ve had no illusions that Ms Busch and I have very different understandings of reality. But I’d share a foxhole with her.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  176. “Hey, ever since that global warming discussion I’ve had no illusions that Ms Busch and I have very different understandings of reality.”

    Dustin – That thread convinced me she ain’t no Independent. Pure seminar progressive. Just look above how she spew talking points based on community based reality.

    Before committing to a foxhole I’d want to see a picture.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  177. :)

    Dustin (b7410e)

  178. But really, some of my most reliable friends have turned out to be devoted to liberal points. Even some I can simply prove are wrong.

    There are more important things than being right, though.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  179. Doesn’t mean I’d share a foxhole with them without checking out a picture first. Just sayin’.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  180. Nixon purposely set out to sabotage the Paris Peace Talks for his own political gain with no regard of our young American soldiers dying. Watergate. DaleyRocks, your idea of debate is name calling. Enuf said.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  181. Your defamation of me is in the same vein of what Neal has said about Patrick.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  182. [...] the original: Neal Rauhauser’s New Friend: Brett Kimberlin, Speedway Bomber; Rauhauser Asks Kos Kids for a Pictu… Tagged with: accuse-others • accuses-someone • being-involved • breitbart • [...]

    Neal Rauhauser’s New Friend: Brett Kimberlin, Speedway Bomber; Rauhauser Asks Kos Kids for a Picture of My Wife (cbc203)

  183. that comment was directed at “Dave Surls,” too.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  184. How to spot a lefty:

    1. CO2 phobia

    2. Actually believes minimum wage increases really help people on the low rungs of the employment ladder.

    3. Believes welfare improves the situation for the social demographic targeted to receive it.

    4. Believe organic sprouts are good but nuclear power is bad yet organic sprouts kill more people than Fukushima triple meltdown.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  185. What a great group of people you all are … like a gang rape. Nice. No wonder this country is so polarized.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  186. “How to spot a lefty:”

    You left out…

    5. I.Q. lower than shoe size.

    Dave Surls (7f0bf0)

  187. I think it needs to be said that Patrick deserves a lot of credit for not giving in to Neal’s threats. When someone threatens your personal life, it is the instinct of most people to just move on. As Diggrbiii pointed out, Neal is trying to intimidate people he disagrees with and unfortunately it often works. His actions are beyond the bounds of acceptable political operations and I hope he gets exposed one of these days. Patrick, include me in the list of people that is willing to do anything that may help you with this matter.

    AG_Conservative (dd3930)

  188. I would like for people to stop insulting Anita. She faced tremendous hardship for pursuing a story and is helping me deal with what we are facing for pursuing this one (the full extent of which you guys do not understand). Suggesting she is a nitwit or delusional is not something I want to see from my commenters.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  189. And I agree with Anita that dirty tricks happen on both sides, as does lying. I have seen it firsthand.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  190. Just read through the rest of the thread. Sorry, am not familiar yet w/ Anita and am sure she’s an honorable person. And I believe Patrick that she’s been helpful to him.

    IMO, though, comparing insults, warranted or no, to “gang rape” is a really inflammatory comparison (am a woman BTW, Anita) and would respectfully suggest that Anita would be a bit more careful in her choice of simile in future.

    Though am not comparing the two’s behavior otherwise online at all, DRJ mentioned Deb Frisch upthread and maybe that’s what put me in mind that that that’s exactly the comparison (insults = sexual assault) Deb Frisch made back on the very thread where she starting attacking Jeff Goldstein’s son (in fact she justified her attack based on that: “see how it feels?”). Am pretty sure Anita, who seems like a sensible person, wouldn’t want people thinking she thinks like that. Just my two cents.

    no one you know (b4310d)

  191. upthread = on the big thread yesterday

    no one you know (b4310d)

  192. I am disgusted by you gang rape lovin racists. Denounced. Denounced and condemned.

    JD (306f5d)

  193. “DaleyRocks, your idea of debate is name calling”

    Anita – I believe I supported my allegation of bad acting by the left with specific examples. When I challenged you for examples by the right you came up with two thinly sourced examples using insulting language involving the same person. You have not proved your point.

    I thank you for helping Patterico and family.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  194. True, with the Pellicano case, I remember,but that doesn’t mean some of her more idiosyncratic opinion, need not be examined, but it’s no reason’
    to be adhominem about it.

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  195. Welcome, Anita.

    angeleno (ba20e9)

  196. Anita,
    As a fellow journo, I was appalled at how the LA Times failed to support you. Did O’Shea ever find time to write about that in his new book about the LA Times, I wonder?

    Thanks for being here, and for helping Patterico.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (cb5e56)

  197. @187 I actually think that isn’t called for as I have known many very bright lefties. But I will tell you what, nothing with “turn” someone Republican faster than a good course in economics. (and maybe owning your own business or being self-employed). Heck, it’s more effective than 4th of July parades.

    I was a lefty when I was young; was even a Jimmy Carter supporter when he ran the first time. Then I began to study economics.

    Once people begin to understand how welfare destroyed black families and the black community, how it was basically a program to pay people a check to take a seat out of the job market because it wasn’t expanding fast enough to absorb the boomers, one’s opinions might begin to change.

    Minimum wage increases have resulted in people at the lowest end of the economic spectrum being thrown out of work and into the street panhandling or into trafficking in illegal drugs or other crime.

    Detroit is the perfect showcase for Democrat social policy. That is exactly what happens when the spigot of leftist programs is turned wide open. They have converted what was the city with the highest standard of living in the country to one with a 25% high school graduation rate and a 60% functional illiteracy rate and the people with any gumption flee while the rest sit and collect checks.

    That is the promise of lefty policies.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  198. crosspatch – Heck, just look at how Democrats have boned California.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  199. Brother Bradley, I have no idea. I haven’t read his book, but I would think not. Sounds like the book is more about the Tribune takeover of the Times.

    Crosspatch, Alan Greenspan’s adoption of Ayn Rand’s ideology … which was adopted by both Dem and Rep Presidential administrations for years … is what ruined this economy.

    A woman named Brooksley Born, who was head of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, tried hard to stop it and to let voters know about the fraud that was going on on Wall Street, but she was shut down by Greenspan, Summers and Rubin.

    After our economic collapse, Greenspan now acknowledges his economic ideology was wrong. Fraud ran amuck with no checks and balances. And we have the mess we have.

    We need Summers and Rubin out of the Obama White House or nothing will ever get better.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  200. Anita, with all due respects, the CRA revisions,
    approved by Clinton, the HUD regulations on ‘redlining, approved by Cisneros (in between independent counsels) and Cuomo, and even certain Bush administration officials, Greenspan raising
    interest rates, 18 times between 2004 and 2006,didn’t help things, better yet, Read ‘Reckless Endangerment’

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  201. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Ayn Rand blamed for the economic woes of today. It’s hard to even take that one seriously.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  202. Ah, you haven’t read Taibbi, be grateful, Dustin.

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  203. I’m sure I am, Ian.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  204. Alan Greenspan ascribed to the philosophy she put forth in Atlas Shrugged, Dustin. You should read about that up before you cast it off so flippantly.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  205. And, yes, Ian. Blame is to be put on both sides. I put both the Clintons in the same boat of moralistic depravity as Nixon. But until we get Summers and Rubin OUT of the administration, I fear that nothing will really ever change.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  206. Nixon purposely set out to sabotage the Paris Peace Talks for his own political gain with no regard of our young American soldiers dying.

    How is someone who makes a slanderous statement like that in any way honourable?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  207. Crosspatch, Alan Greenspan’s adoption of Ayn Rand’s ideology … which was adopted by both Dem and Rep Presidential administrations for years … is what ruined this economy

    How is someone who makes a lunatic statement like that in any way someone to be reasoned with?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  208. I guess you don’t know your history, Milhouse.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  209. Yes, we don’t take Anthony Summers as gospel, silly us,

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  210. I know enough history to know that when you slander Nixon like that you’d better back yourself up. Nixon was the one who brought “peace with honour”. Except that when it turned out that the communists had been negotiating in bad faith, and the time came to rescue our allies from conquest and slavery, the Democratic Party deliberately betrayed them. That is probably the most shameful thing the USA has ever done, and it is 100% entirely the fault of the Democratic Party. The fall of South Vietnam, and all that resulted, is their fault, to their eternal shame.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  211. Nixon was a terrible president (“We’re all Keynesians now”). But he was not a traitor. Kerry, however, was one.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  212. Milhouse – democrats have no shame. They ignore the slaughter and holocaust that resulted from betraying South Vietnam to the communists.

    Have Blue (dbbcd4)

  213. Anita probably also believes that Bush flew to Iran to conspire with the Iranians to keep the hostages in captivity longer. Those who perpetrate that slander are utterly without honour.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  214. Nixon was a moderate republican and got on well with the early seventies democrat. Heck, I’m a democrat and I still love Nixon. He carried himself with a great deal of dignity and propriety.

    O-mah (4de175)

  215. Alan Greenspan ascribed to the philosophy she put forth in Atlas Shrugged, Dustin. You should read about that up before you cast it off so flippantly.

    Comment by Anita Busch — 7/6/2011 @ 9:44 am

    Alan Greenspan probably said a lot of things, but you’re laying an awful lot on the feet of this philosophy, and it’s not clear specifically what aspects you’re saying have done all this.

    It’s abundantly clear that so many problems that caused our economic problems are not what Ayn Rand would have done. I’m sorry, but you’re simply overstating things. I think you come at political problems with a conclusion in mind and strive to find the evidence for it. This is how I interpreted your global warming analysis too. But disagree as we will on politics, I don’t think this makes you a ‘nitwit’. I don’t mind people saying things I don’t agree with, and if I did, I’d find a different blog to read and comment at.

    And I agree with Milhouse on Nixon, and more importantly, the shameful mistake the democrat party made with regard to Vietnam.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  216. Then again, when you make enemies with Dan Moldea,
    (who stabbed Ken Starr in the back, after he went
    to ‘bat for him’ in order for ‘Interference’ to be published,) and Luke Ford, that puts you in good company.

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  217. Nixon was like LBJ than like a Republican. It amazes me that some don’t appreciate just how poor a president he was.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  218. I don’t see how arguing Randian economic policies helps Patterico publicize Neal’s outrageous escalation of threats against Mrs. Patterico.

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  219. Good point, Pious. I don’t know why we’re off on this track, but I think Anita didn’t appreciate being insulted and decided to stand up for her opinions.

    Anyway, good point.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  220. Nixon was a true intellectual. He was also crafty enough to play-ball with the dems when necessary and used the power of “impoundment” when caled for. I don’t think LBJ was anything like Nixon. What do you base this political comparison on? Coincidentally, he had a brilliant foreign policy and was instrumental in forging an alliance with Red China, which poleaxed Kruschev in the early seventies and ultimately brought about the demise of communism.

    O-mah (4de175)

  221. Yeah, starting the EPA, going off the gold standard, price/wage freezes, etc., were very crafty in retrospect.

    ∅ (e7577d)

  222. Yes, we know what a ‘wretched hive of scum and villainy’ Kos is, and ‘Socrates’ efforts, much like Chambers, after the Krivitsky hit, is much
    to be commended, honestly, this would be too fantastic for an episode of ‘Criminal Minds’

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  223. What do you base this political comparison on?

    Entitlement spending, control of issues that aren’t what I think a president should meddle in (such as the price of food, or what Americans eat).

    Coincidentally, he had a brilliant foreign policy and was instrumental in forging an alliance with Red China

    He’s better than LBJ on this regard, but not a different creature entirely.

    Laying the demise of communism at Nixon’s feet is … inaccurate. In fact, I’d lay much of modern democratic socialism’s persistence at Nixon’s feet instead. He pushed the world to the left.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  224. I never said his domestic policy was outstanding, just his foreign policy. And what President hasn’t had a few hiccups in their term as commander in chief. You can’t please everyone. Still, he was anything like LBJ. LBJ refused to run in 68, he’d had enough of “the thousand day war”. Nixon instituted air strikes with B-52-s, to bring the North Vietnames back to the negotiating table in France. Kruschev never messed with Nixon, he knew Nixon was a military man, who would launch air strikes against the soviets if necessary. In fact, Kruschev had a great, but grudging admiration for Nixon.

    O-mah (4de175)

  225. I know he did a great job reshaping his image in the 1980s, but you know… it’s foolish to pay any attention to that at all. He had power, and that’s what he deserved to be judged on.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  226. I never said his domestic policy was outstanding, just his foreign policy.

    You questioned why I would compare him to LBJ, so I’m not sure why you get to restrict the discussion to a tiny fraction of the harm both did to our country.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  227. Comment by O-mah — 7/6/2011 @ 10:21 am

    Krushchev was oasted as leader of the CCCP in late ’64.
    It was Brezhnev that Nixon dealt with, and who stepped back in the Yom Kippur War when Nixon relayed to him that, in no uncertain terms, he and the Soviet Union would be held responsible for any intervention into that war by the Soviets.

    AD-RtR/OS! (c036a6)

  228. Dustin, you should write some revisionist history based on these historical events, you might convince a handful of functioning illiterates of these fairy tales. Most contemporary historians recognize that without Nixon’s mastery of foreign policy, it would have not assisted “star wars”, with the success that it had. Truth be told, the communist ship was decaying from the inside out, prior to Star Wars. This was just the “coup de gras”, the “ringing down of the curtain” if you will.

    O-mah (4de175)

  229. Excuse me, I meant Breshnev, not Kruschev.

    O-mah (4de175)

  230. I’m on a roll here…
    “ousted” v. “oasted”

    AD-RtR/OS! (c036a6)

  231. Anita’s not alone in her views of Greenspan, Rubin and Summers. See this Frontline story from 2009, for instance.

    But this has become another crash course in how comment threads tend to zig-zag in every direction. Like Pious and Dustin, I’d like to see the focus back on Neal Rauhauser and his detestable methods.

    angeleno (ba20e9)

  232. All in all Dustin, you bring up some good points.

    O-mah (4de175)

  233. Nixon saved Israel from extermination in the Yom Kippur War, but then used the leverage that gave him to force Israel into unwise and dangerous compromises. The world would be a far better place today had he let Israel win the war (by starving the Egyptian Third Army into surrender, establishing itself on both sides of the Suez Canal, and occupying Damascus) and then negotiate peace treaties from a position of strength.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  234. Well, it might have been decaying, but all of our best intell developed by the CIA said otherwise; and that was the info that our National Security Leadership had to depend on.
    What RR did was counter-intuitive to the CW that prevailed within the Beltway.

    AD-RtR/OS! (c036a6)

  235. If you want to stay on topic, don’t slander people.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  236. Yes, he’s a vile Kos critter,there has to be a law for what he is doing, right,

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  237. Does anybody have a photo of Neal that doesn’t look like he swallowed a quart of oil?

    I’m not suggesting that anybody take pictures of him; I wouldn’t want to open myself to any claims for damage to your photographic equipment.

    Just a discrete GIS. (I can’t do this at work.)

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  238. Operation linebacker and the Rolling Thunder campaign were awesome! Nixon struck fear into the hearts of the “yellow peril”. Imagine sitting in a little palm hut, hearing the deafening thunder, of thousands of tons of bombs, dropped from the indefatigable B-52, as they pulverized the tropical countryside. Nixon was a master at using the “psychology” of fear to shape foreign policy. Heck, if we were able to take off the gloves, we could have bombed those commies back into the devonian time period.

    O-mah (4de175)

  239. Milhouse, who did I slander?

    O-mah (4de175)

  240. I read your post Milhouse, nice point about the Suez canal.

    O-mah (4de175)

  241. Certainly there are some political positions with which I do not agree with Ms. Anita Busch. But to reinforce what Patterico said, she’s been through a lot, learned all too clearly the corruption in our media as it had enormous effect on her personally, and has shown strength of character since that I admire.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  242. Milhouse, who did I slander?

    You didn’t, Anita Busch did.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  243. I’m no authority on Vietnam nor Nixon’s presidency. Although I do have a great deal of admiration for him. In time I feel that history will be much kinder to him and will view his days in office, with a less jaundiced eye. Revisionist history is already in the works I believe, to reassess his contributions to world history and the collapse of communism.

    O-mah (4de175)

  244. LinkedIn profile, but no pic.

    Should we compile a list of Neal sites?

    angeleno (ba20e9)

  245. Twitter Lesbian Mafia???, ‘winning’

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  246. LinkedIn profile, but no pic.

    Geeze, I’m afraid to click on ‘See who you and Neal Rauhauser know in common’

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  247. Richard Nixon was a highly complex man who lived in turbulent times. He deserves abundant credit for his many accomplishments, yet he was also a deeply flawed man who was punished for a crime the full extent of which hasn’t been revealed.

    Supporters and detractors should proceed with great caution, the waters are deep and murky, the crew is unreliable, the charts are incomplete and intentionally deceptive, the winds are unpredictable, and ports of refuge are few. Even the boldest of brave captains would hesitate to leave safe anchorage and venture out upon such treacherous seas.

    ropelight (2fd235)

  248. Shakespeare and Sir Francis Bacon could not have said it better.

    O-mah (4de175)

  249. Ropelight, I am not considering watergate when calling Nixon out for massive expansion of federal government’s role and burden on future generations.

    And there’s nothing murky about it. We don’t need the government to take care of us. We need it to get out of our way. Politicians who exploit their power to cultivate favorable short term political ends are not worth praise.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  250. 245 angeleno

    There’s a pic if you click View Full Profile

    koam @wittier (d56dc1)

  251. I believe Koam provided this link to a gawker article. But, at the time, I failed to recognize the ploy of delinking AW from the story – calling it “Twittergate”, instead of “Weinergate”. Of course, the teaparty is to blame.

    http://gawker.com/nealrauhauser

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  252. It appears that Gawker article may have been from an earlier date that Weinergate. Since I am not a twitter user, I was not aware of the previous “Twittergate issue. My bad.

    Anyway, here is a highly informative article on the “Twittergate” backstory.

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/williams/101026

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  253. But I’d share a foxhole with her.

    Comment by Dustin

    When considering taking an ally, there are only two questions: Can he shoot? and: Will he aim at your enemies?

    Borrowed from the Liaden Universe books by Miller and Lee.

    I find these excellent questions. Particularly if one is to be in close quarters.

    Dianna (5bc608)

  254. What a great group of people you all are … like a gang rape. Nice. No wonder this country is so polarized.

    Comment by Anita Busch

    I protest. This is arguing on the internet, not a prolonged act of sexual violence.

    Dianna (5bc608)

  255. “Ah, you haven’t read Taibbi, be grateful, Dustin.”

    ian – I would not use Taibibi to wipe my butt.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  256. “Nixon purposely set out to sabotage the Paris Peace Talks for his own political gain with no regard of our young American soldiers dying.”

    Milhouse – I thought it was John Kerry who treasonously did the above, not Nixon.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  257. “Anita’s not alone in her views of Greenspan, Rubin and Summers.”

    angeleno – Of course, because Democrats don’t believe it is politically correct or productive to examine the impact of CRA rules they implements on loan quality, fraud at FANNIE and FREDDIE, or ther constant resistance to reforms at those GSE’s to bring them back within the scope of their original charters.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  258. So, Anita’s good people, you should see what it’s like when there are only minor deviations over a candidate from a certain state, that shall remain
    nameless,

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  259. Dianna, protest all you want about anything you want but I meant what I said. And Milhouse, I did not slander anyone.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  260. #260 – I am told you have been through some very rough times, so I shall ignore the sheer incongruous nature of that comparison.

    Dianna (5bc608)

  261. Dustin, if it’s undue expansion of the federal government’s role you oppose, your opponents are many and closer in time than Nixon’s terms in office.

    Did you know that Nixon was a protege of George W Bush’s grandfather?

    ropelight (2fd235)

  262. Anita equates comments on a blog with gang rape. Given the chance to rethink, she absurdly goes all in. I’d like to know who these rapists are so I can tell my sisters and mom to avoid them.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  263. your opponents are many and closer in time than Nixon’s terms in office.

    This is true, but I consider the late 1960s to 1980 to be a major pivot on what this country’s government was defined as.

    It’s not the only one, and yes, I could never say Nixon was alone or the worst.

    Did you know that Nixon was a protege of George W Bush’s grandfather?

    I didn’t. I will say I think Dubya, for all his flaws, was a fundamentally superior president to all but a handful in the past century. He wasn’t a purist, and I’m not either.

    Anita equates comments on a blog with gang rape.

    She’s mistaken to make the comparison. I think she’s trying to say we ganged up on her, but I don’t even think that’s fair.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  264. Can we at least agree that in some ways Nixon was teh suck and in other ways he was teh awesome?

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  265. I agree with everything Milhouse said, except Nixon was a pretty good president.

    The two really good things Nixon did, getting us out of Vietnam, and putting an end to the liberal Democrats’ 20th century version of slavery (military conscription) more than cancel out the Nixon administration’s silly fascination with liberalism in government.

    Dave Surls (01f530)

  266. It was a gang rape of my character, yes it was.

    Prescott Bush was a war profiteer, and there were some strong business ties between him the German businessman Fritz Thyssen who helped finance Hitler throughout the 1930s.

    This and more was uncovered in a lawsuit filed by two Holocaust survivors.

    George Bush and Dick Cheney also profited from the wars through The Carlyle Group and Halliburton, respectively.

    In fact, Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root was given (by the Pentagon right before we invaded Iraq) a NO-BID 2-year contract worth $7 billion.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  267. Nixon was a criminal.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  268. daley, you and I have had our CRA/GSE discussion and a rerun simply wouldn’t be time well spent, as far as I’m concerned

    What concerns me today is Neal Rauhauser’s ugly effort to intimidate Patterico into giving up a search for truth that he has every right to conduct.

    Patrick and I don’t agree on much, but it has always bothered me when people have gone after his job to try and shut him up, whether it’s a righty like Jeff Goldstein or a lefty like Rauhauser. And Rauhauser has certainly compounded the offense by trying to bring trouble on Patrick’s family.

    It bothers me because I’m vulnerable to the same thing and because I think bullies and thugs should be resisted, whichever side of the ideological divide they call home. The family part bothers me especially, because I have a family to protect, too, and that’s something I take very, very seriously. My sympathies are completely with Patrick on this one.

    So here it is: Knock it off, Rauhauser. Patterico has as much right to investigate sock puppetry in the Weiner affair as anyone. If he runs afoul of logic or evidence, fine, call him on it. But don’t play the intimidation game. There is no reasonable basis for dragging his job or family into this, and the fact that you’ve attempted to do so is thuggery, pure and simple.

    Here’s one liberal Democrat who thinks you have no credibility or moral stature. I don’t want you on my side.

    angeleno (ba20e9)

  269. “Prescott Bush was a war profiteer, and there were some strong business ties between him the German businessman Fritz Thyssen who helped finance Hitler throughout the 1930s.”

    More boilerplate, lying, leftoid propaganda.

    Basically, there’s not a word of truth in that drivel.

    Sorry, Pat. You might like Anita for personal reasons…but, she’s still a left wing halfwit, and she needs to be called out on her halfwittery.

    Dave Surls (01f530)

  270. Iraqis profited from the wars cause of there is more freedom in the world where they are and plus they’re not getting raped by the perverted rapey Hussein clan that the Democrats worked so hard to protect, which is a nice change for them

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  271. Anita Busch, the KBR “no bid” contract before the Iraq invasion was in fact an extension of a series of logistical support contracts that they had had since the Clinton administration. You want to know why KBR got that contract?

    Because they were one of at most two companies large enough and experienced enough at the time to actually perform it.

    That’s it. There just are not that many companies who can show up on the other side of the world and deliver the logistical support and engineering expertise and equipment to build army bases at the drop of a hat.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  272. #268 Anita. What you think Nixon was different than any other politician. He got caught. They are all narcissists and will do ANYTHING to get elected and stay in power.

    mikemadden59 (3cb7fd)

  273. Because they were one of at most two companies large enough and experienced enough at the time to actually perform it.

    This is the truth.

    Being a company in a position like that takes a tremendous investment, and it’s in our nation’s best interest to award contracts the way we did. It was shameful this was conveyed as some sort of corruption.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  274. I don’t think many of them authorized criminal break-ins and cover-up.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  275. Anita Busch, really? Quite a few Presidents have authorized criminal break-ins and cover ups. Some of them authorized imprisonment for the political opponents based on nothing but speech they didn’t like, and others authorized concentration camps.

    Its called history.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  276. Anyway, Anita does appear to have boilerplate left wing talking points, and surprisingly, most of them have been discussed and disposed of a long time ago.

    But as I’ve said several times, there’s more to a person than their political views. I’m not the only one who has noted I like Anita and am aware of her character and bravery.

    I can’t say I agree with her that her character was ‘gang raped’. Find me a left wing blog where I can go right now, say things about Obama that are as debunked and inflammatory as what was said here about Bush or Cheney or even Nixon, and get treatment half as kind as what Anita has gotten.

    Yes, some people have insulted her and that’s a shame, but some defended her too.

    Anyway, Pious is right that this is way off the topic of Neal harassing an innocent family.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  277. Ahhh, look. More name-calling from “Dave Surls.” There is documentation. Must I find everything for you? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  278. SPQR, please enlighten me.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  279. Yes, Dustin, I have heard that … from half of my family only who are Republicans and watch Fox News incessently.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  280. My character has been prison raped but you don’t hear me complaining about it.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  281. Anita Busch, Woodrow Wilson criminalized opposition to WWI including having Eugene Debs imprisoned, Franklin Roosevelt authorized a multitude of illegal operations during WWII and authorized rounding up legal residents and citizens of Japanese ancestry in concentration camps, Abraham Lincoln rounded up imprisoned Maryland’s legislators and other political leaders to prevent them from voting for secession. Have you read any history?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  282. Oh, and Anita, there were a lot of business links between Germany and the US. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but there were/are a lot of German immigrants to the US. There were business investments both ways. GM owned Opel. And scores more. Blowing this up into claims that Prescott Bush was some sort of war criminal is just ludicrous slander.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  283. Well, at least y’all are prolly confusing and boring Neal to death if he’s been monitoring this thread to see what’s being said about him, Good job!

    elissa (30d6f0)

  284. 284. LOL

    SarahW (af7312)

  285. Well there is that, but that’s a bug rather than a feature, ‘Meanwhile, ‘back at the Ranch:

    /http://pajamasmedia.com/2011/07/06/fast-and-furious-scandal-spreads-to-fbi-dea-/

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  286. Simple Anita: Republicans get information only from Fox News. De-legitimizes all argument thereafter. Typical lefty debate tactic. Oh, that and calling opposition rapists. Or Nazis.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  287. “Prescott Bush was a war profiteer, and there were some strong business ties between him the German businessman Fritz Thyssen who helped finance Hitler throughout the 1930s.”

    You should realize that a link to the lefty UK Guardian isn’t going to rate very heavily here. Aside from the bias, British newspapers aren’t known for their accuracy.

    Here’s what the ADL said about this claim:
    Prescott Bush’s Alleged Nazi “Ties”
    Tuesday, December 16, 2003
    Rumors about the alleged Nazi “ties” of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated.

    Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (a18ddc)

  288. @92 You drop hints but don’t want anyone to question you. I have no idea why – but regardless of your words, your actions indicate that you want people to know you. Why else do you return and make all the mysterious statements? If you want to be understood and make friends then you will need to decide to trust someone. It is lonely out there without allies. Give someone a chance to help.

    meh (caaadf)

  289. http://www.washington times.com/news/2011/Jul/5/egypt-party-leader-holocaust-is-a-lie

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  290. @290
    Eygpt’s democratic revolution is imploding. Now where have we seen revolutions replace revolutions before? I wonder where….

    meh (caaadf)

  291. ‘Ahhh, look. More name-calling from “Dave Surls.” There is documentation.’

    Yeah, I’ve seen the documention honey, and what it shows is is that the guy who was doing business in Nazi Germany was the famous liberal Democrat, and Roosevelt crony, William Averill Harriman, not Prescott Bush.

    Not only that, but Harriman was running the various business he owned while he was working for FDR and while we were fighting with the Germans, which doesn’t look too good, I suppose, and which is why Roosevelt and his boys covered it up during the war, and why in subsequent years, lying propagandists, like yourself (or the scum at the Guardian) have tried to shift the blame for what Harriman did onto the shoulders of Prescott Bush.

    The only thing Prescott Bush was guilty of was working for companies owned outright by liberal Democrat icon, Harriman.

    And, you don’t have to put my name inside quotation marks, dear heart.

    Dave Surls (01f530)

  292. I enjoyed vacationing in Maryland and seeing the nations capitol. Maryland was more interesting to me than Virginia, I liked em both. California still rules.

    The Rhodesian (4de175)

  293. Actually it was his brother Roland, who did all the heavy lifting, while Averell played polo till age 40, was Ambassador to Britain and Russia,
    Governor, arms control negotiator

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  294. I love all this clandestine action. Always fancied myself a bit of a detective. I read your post “meh”, it sounded very sly.

    The Rhodesian (4de175)

  295. Does anyone anyone know what the heck is going on here?
    Today we all learned:
    1 JP told the world who koam is, he doesn’t seem to care so ok but why did she do it? He has disappeared here :(
    2 People over on monster thread saying they think he’s fake? Perhaps I’m missing the sarcasm. Just asking since they all are friends on twitter.
    3 Patterico says “stay off the internet”
    4 Patterico is publicly off story as is Lee
    5 Rob B is going bonkers and seems scared.
    I mean people have been threatened anonymously and publicly, this is totally unacceptable.
    I posted some stupid inane things last night because this thread was just sounding so bizarre (and I was tired) I read it again and get that there are real discussions going on that are interesting.
    But please someone help me here. I do not get this whole thing.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  296. For example I don’t know who are old trusted commenters are and who are not. So forgive me for bring dim. I’m learning the ropes.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  297. Caveat emptor!

    ropelight (2fd235)

  298. Brother Bradley, the information you posted is from 2003, the lawsuit and documents came out afterwards.

    And, Dave Surls, let me tell you something “honey” (Good God man, where did YOU grow up?) … let me see, You’re from Oklahoma or Missouri or maybe Texas … it’s been nice stirring it up with all of you

    In the meantime, getting back to the importance at hand … Blackburnsghost: where did JP out koam?? And who is Rob B??

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  299. Good point Anita, Anyway, I shouldn’t be sidetracking this thread.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (a18ddc)

  300. hey Nixon pretty
    good for guy with criminal
    tendencies i think

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  301. when all said and done
    obama will prove to be
    biggest criminal

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  302. I would give left ball
    to have been one of lads who
    kicked Kos candy ass

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  303. “Blackburnsghost: where did JP out koam?”

    twitter

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  304. Rob Brynaert (sp?) I know he’s probably nuts but still it’s just sad and odd and a million other things.
    JP tweeted his real name and location this morning. Then said why do people have fake names on their twitter etc. Why…hmm maybe because of that. That thing you just did. In other stories may not be interesting, in this one VERY.
    I did not have time to really read up on you today Anita and while I may not agree on politics. Cheers. Really. It’s great to have open discourse, that is why I find this whole thing so egregious.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  305. Blackburnsghost

    koam says his power is out. 1522 1nd 1523 on that thread are sarcasm.

    Heh. Fire away w ?s. I’m good.
    Only prob today is power out and phone is nearly dead battery. Hard to type too.

    Comment by koam @wittier — 7/6/2011 @ 4:49 pm

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  306. Monster is still alive?

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  307. Not only are you gang rape lovin racists, but you are Nazi supporters who love AGW.

    JD (b98cae)

  308. koam are you upset about having your real name out there?

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  309. Haha NO I think we flogged that Monster. I think I got that you guys were being silly but still…socks a-foot :)
    I don’t have any questions for you koam. I think it was just capital J B#%$#% but you know you are a person and the fact that she did that is. Sigh. I don’t know. Sad?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  310. #308 JD. I also have some 1c candy! Flying saucers, Bulls eyes, cow tails, candy watches, necklaces, swedish fish (Is that racist ?) I hope not. I heart candy.
    Seriously? Am I missing something?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  311. JD – You are a hohophobic, misogynistic, badge licking, authoritarian, Christianist, incestuous, hilljack rube.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  312. Blackburnsghost

    JD regularly denounces us for our racism and other manifest faults.

    He don’t mean it.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  313. #312 You forgot hobophobic

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  314. PA @314 – It’s in there.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  315. JD, daily, Blackburnsghost and Pious–

    Jonah Goldberg wrote an op-ed about this phenomenon yesterday. (I thought maybe he was referring to you, JD)

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-goldberg-racist-20110705,0,3594268.column

    elissa (30d6f0)

  316. Sorry, hoho not hobo.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  317. elissa – That’s racist.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  318. Haha Pious ok ’cause this is the time of day I have a glass of wine after AC broken 95 hot, swelter, working all day that I get confused.
    I do like candy. I promise I haven’t injured any cows or swedish fish.
    Yet.
    You should send the word “hobophobic” to Ace to tm. Hilarious

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  319. elissa,

    Great link. Thanks!

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  320. As always yes Elissa, Great link. Thank you.
    PS pious agnostic is a brilliant name

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  321. Milhouse, I did not slander anyone.

    You certainly did. You slandered Nixon, and here you double down.

    Prescott Bush was a war profiteer, and there were some strong business ties between him the German businessman Fritz Thyssen who helped finance Hitler throughout the 1930s.

    More slander, not only of Prescott Bush but of his partner Fritz Thyssen, who was a far far better person than you are.

    George Bush and Dick Cheney also profited from the wars through The Carlyle Group and Halliburton, respectively.

    And more slander. How could Cheney possibly profit from Halliburton, when he no longer worked there, and owned no shares? Ditto for Bush and Carlyle. (You know who did profit from Carlyle? Bill Clinton.)

    Dustin and Patterico, I don’t give a damn what your personal relationship is with this Anita Busch; I don’t know her from a bar of soap, but an honourable person does not slander the dead.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  322. Now I’m feeling self-conscious.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  323. Or the living, of course. But especially not the dead, who can’t fight back.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  324. Oh, and Nixon did not authorize the Watergate break-in. He knew nothing about it until after he’d already publicly denied that his campaign had anything to do with it. When he found out, he had no good choices left; but he made the most-bad choice instead of the least-bad one.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  325. I was made aware, that notion, propagated by Jeb Magruder, long after those could challenge him, has passed on, has found root in local public schools, Milhouse.

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  326. bibbity bobbity boo

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  327. 296 Well she thought she did I guess, but that’s silly as he wasn’t hiding his identity in the first place. What in the world made her think that was news to anyone?

    SarahW (af7312)

  328. SarahW that’s my point. It’s just so stupid.

    Back to my question what is going on? This is either sinister or ridiculous and I can’t figure out which, Is this common? Is this the new “politics” ? Asking for people to find pictures of someones wife is sick.

    I am new but I will bow the f out if this is what is considered ok.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  329. Angeleno at #269 – I agree! Very well put.

    I am concerned for Patterico and his wife. How do we help him resist this?

    What help a nonprofit worker in another part of the state can be, I have no idea, but I’m more than happy to throw my featherweight on Patterico’s side.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  330. Jan Preston should stay off twitter. She embarrasses herself regularly, it seems.

    elissa (30d6f0)

  331. “And, Dave Surls, let me tell you something…”

    Well, go ahead. And, if it’s something true, it’ll be a first.

    And, I was born in Berkeley and raised in the San Francisco Bay Area. Despite your little stereotypical view, not everyone with a functioning brain comes from the Ozarks.

    Dave Surls (01f530)

  332. Anita? Regarding Prescott Bush, in 1999, there was an article in the San Francisco Chronicle (hardly a hot-bed of right-wing apologists) that examined those charges and dismissed them.

    I am very sorry that you are relying on the Guardian on this controversy. It’s like bringing up Joe Kennedy’s history to smear any current Kennedy, and hardly a fair way to discuss anyone.

    Of course, I have also read (and used to have a bookmark for the page) that Aleister Crowley was Barbara Bush’s father. I don’t believe it, but I have read it, and it has been asserted.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  333. dianna

    We all need to concentrate on helping pat and his family – first off I would highly reccommend that we all pitch in some money that they can use for security and other things

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  334. Good night Gracie.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  335. first off I would highly reccommend that we all pitch in some money that they can use for security and other things

    Comment by EricPWJohnson

    An excellent suggestion. I am, unfortunately, balancing my desire to contribute to a number of sites, in particular, Patterico’s, against being the only member of a household of four with a steady job. Is a $5 contribution an insult? I sure hope not.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  336. I am not a twitter user, and this JP/Koam exchange sounds interesting. Would someone toss me a link?

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  337. Dianna,

    no of couse not, thanks for thinking of them

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  338. Dave,

    You realize you me anita are all on the same side right?

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  339. Anita and I are on the same side?????????

    Eric, you crack me up, man.

    Dave Surls (01f530)

  340. Dave

    Glad to oblige….

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  341. Milhouse, I only know of Anita via this blog. Her reaction to the namecalling seems a little much to me, but nonetheless, my view is that political debate, to include saying completely untrue conventional wisdom about overly demonized people like Nixon or Bush, or really any other expression of opinions or ‘facts’ about politicians, does not rate as nearly as significant as how a person handles true real-life adversity.

    Anyway, by all means, explain your view of the facts, which as far as I can tell, is exactly correct in this thread. But let’s not take that all the way to asserting people who are mistaken are dishonorable. Especially when better evidence exists.

    Anyhow, I really think it’s better to focus on how awful it is that discourse is what it is today, where a man can’t discuss politics freely without his wife being threatened. Anita is here to show support for Patterico and his family, and so am I, and of course, so are you.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  342. Anita sure knows a lot, it’s too bad so much of is just not true.

    Living in a bubble has distinct disadvantages.

    There’s a popular saying about digging holes.

    I appreciate her help to Patterico and family.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  343. I agree with Daleyrocks’s 343 100%.

    At least once in a while we should be able to put some of this stuff aside. That’s not easy, but it’s justified.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  344. I just visited twitter again. Basically I’ve done my best to avoid it.

    That Ron character is suggesting Patterico is “in on it”.

    His basis? Nothing. Oh, he’s upset Patterico isn’t on the phone to Ron about some threats, or upset someone out there isn’t under P’s protection, but he knows damn well about Neal and Brett’s behavior towards Patterico and his family.

    The need to be dramatic and have a villain to complain about has dominated the behavior of oh-so-many wannabe journalists in this story. It doesn’t seem like they would need to invent any more villains or drama, though.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  345. I’ve learned that this is how high-level thuggery works:

    1). Gather information any way imagineable (if they need to hack, they will).

    2). Threaten (to instill fear and paranoia).

    3). After that, they Defame (to try to harm the credibility of the victim).

    4). Flood people with an onslaught of misinformation (through sockpuppets) to thoroughly confuse in hopes that when the truth is presented, it will be seen as just another conspiracy.

    Now, here’s the problem that whomever is at the center of this has: They badly misjudged in going after someone as credible as Patrick. He has a well-established reputation for integrity.

    Whomever did this … you done dug yourself a hole.

    And you should be curled up in a fetal position lying under your bed every night waiting for the door to be kicked in by law enforcement.

    God protects his children with a jealous rage. Never forget that.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  346. #331 Jan Preston should stay off twitter. She embarrasses herself regularly, it seems.

    Comment by elissa — 7/6/2011 @ 6:36 pm

    Maybe she is doing research into the implications of being an objective reporter in a subjective world. And got caught up in it.

    mikemadden59 (3cb7fd)

  347. #346 Comment by Anita Busch

    Great Comment,Anita.

    Whomever did this … you done dug yourself a hole.

    And you should be curled up in a fetal position lying under your bed every night waiting for the door to be kicked in by law enforcement

    goatsred (b20383)

  348. goatsred – Essentially same approach was used by left in its war against James O’Keefe and Andrew Breitbart, Chamber of Commerce, Koch Brothers, etc. A well established pattern now.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  349. You racist gang rapists are disgusting, plus, you heart global warming.

    JD (25ebf9)

  350. Was it gang rape-gang rape? Or was it the more milder less filling variety?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  351. Oooh fun! I love heating up globes and watching them melt it gets all globby glob! It’s science. I do it in my science lab/kitchen. I don’t know much about gangs…I started a candy gang once…when I was little/yesterday we joined forces for the good of the candy. We saved a lot of it.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  352. Then we ate it.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  353. goatsred. I do hope this comes to a conclusion and people are held responsible for all concerned.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  354. Childish. I’m done.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  355. Anita,
    We’ve all got a bit of the child in us. Some of our commenters have quite a bit . . . ;-)

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (a18ddc)

  356. That was the point. Sorry

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  357. and before anyone says “This is a serious situation, you shouldn’t be joking about it”
    I wasn’t joking about “it” the situation. It is a serious situation for the families and people involved.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  358. Anita,

    Dopey boys.

    Political persuasion aside, you clearly have a good and insightful grasp on the machinations and levels of desperation of lefty saboteurs. The more they are exposed, the weaker they will become, so kudos for not being ruled by fear.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  359. Dana 1st. I’m not a boy and I’m not dopey, I do say dopey things sometimes :). Guilty.

    JD was being dopey as usual (I’m told) and that is my brand of humor. I enjoy a little levity sometimes especially when someone says something like…

    “You racist gang rapists are disgusting, plus, you heart global warming.”

    Just for the record dana I agree wholeheartedly with your last post re:Anita.

    However can we please stop bandying about the word rape like it’s useful descriptive word for anything BUT actual rape? Please. Because there is nothing funny or flippant about it.At all.

    The way I respond to something like JD’s comment with humor is because the only other way I would respond is with anger and I prefer funny over angry. But that’s just me.

    Note to self: Bad girl

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  360. Anita accuses us of being global warming deniers, gang rapist, the Bush family of being Nazi sympathizers, and Bush/Cheney of being illegal war profiteers, and we are childish?!

    JD (25ebf9)

  361. God protects his children with a jealous rage. Never forget that.

    I’m not sure God is jealous, plus we are all His children. But I would agree He knows how to make good come from bad things.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  362. fuggettaboutit.out.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  363. Yes DRJ

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  364. I’m not sure God is jealous, plus we are all His children. But I would agree He knows how to make good come from bad things.

    Comment by DRJ — 7/7/2011 @ 9:52 am

    He does of course describe Himself as “jealous” (Deut 4:24 and Exodus 20:5) though certainly as DRJ correctly implies, it’s not selfish-jealous like we humans are so good it.

    (Theology minute, just ’cause: just my opinion, but have always thought of this song as one of the best vocal interpretations of what God’s loving “jealousy” sounds like (audio at link) when we go after created things, or seek what’s wrong to “satisfy” us, instead of seeking to return His love better.)

    But I would agree He knows how to make good come from bad things. Comment by DRJ — 7/7/2011 @ 9:52 am

    Yep yep. Read somewhere that Augustine, the 4th century sinner who became a great saint, was fond of adding to Romans 8:28 (“God works all things together for good”), “even our sins”.

    no one you know (325a59)

  365. Blackburnsghost,

    I wholeheartedly agree re throwing around the term of rape. The more we toss it around, the less meaning it has and the less seriously it is taken. I think over time, it has an equally corrosive and desensitizing effect on society. (Hence, but was it rape-rape?)

    Dana (4eca6e)

  366. NOYK, glad you clarified the “jealous” bit…I though the same but sure wasn’t going to open that can of worms!

    Dana (4eca6e)

  367. Comment by Dana — 7/7/2011 @ 10:24 am

    Heh. Not claiming to know exactly what it means except that since we know God is always concerned for our welfare, His “jealousy” must be too. (Which is why the vocal delivery on that song, esp the very end, always gives me goosebumps, and as silly as it may sound, reminds me when I’m giving other things more priority than Him, how much (literal) passion God has for bringing me more fully back to Himself, and even when we hurt Him, he’s still only concerned about what’s good for us. Amazing love indeed.

    BTW am totally with you and the others on the “gang rape” trivialization. Would think that anyone who’s actually gone through that horror would ever compare it with insults on a blog thread. Seems almost obscene really, to me anyway.

    no one you know (325a59)

  368. yes, well … you will never know.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  369. DRJ and Dana and noyk make me be nicer to Anita than she deserves. You are all gang rape apologists. Denounced and condemned.

    JD (85b089)

  370. Anita, make sure you read this weeks sockpuppet friday comment section!

    ∅ (e7577d)

  371. DRJ and Dana and noyk make me be nicer to Anita than she deserves. You are all gang rape apologists. Denounced and condemned.

    Comment by JD — 7/7/2011 @ 5:12 pm

    JD, please be nice to Anita. Yes, her comment about gang rape is too much from our POV, but understand where she’s coming from and why she’s sensitive to people claiming she’s a nut or a nitwit. This person was being threatened, and at the same time, people were saying she was crazy and paranoid. She wasn’t… it was actually an effort to silence her on various fronts, some very subtle.

    I can understand why she is so sensitive about people calling her character or reasoning into question.

    I don’t have the right to tell others what to say, but I ask that folks cut her some slack. There isn’t much I agree with Anita on politically, but Patterico recently told me that Anita has been helpful to him, and I think that outweighs other factors. At any rate, I don’t think Anita meant to trivialize gang rape. She means that when people attack her reputation she finds it truly horrible.

    Yeah, Daleyrocks and others here are good folks who don’t deserve to be compared to rapists, but hey… let’s cut her some slack anyway. Seriously. It’s not costing us anything to do it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  372. Dustin’s point is a good one. Few people appreciate the extent to which Anita’s life was turned upside down, simply for going after a story. As she noted, part of the effort is defamation. Though not to the same extent by any means, I have shadowy figures pursuing a similar course. As Anita outlines so well, this path includes intimidation, threats, intrusion into personal safety, sowing confusion, and defamation.

    Milhouse has been especially dramatic about drawing a broad conclusion about Anita’s character based on a single historical disagreement. We can do better than this.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  373. Dustin’s point is a good one. Few people appreciate the extent to which Anita’s life was turned upside down, simply for going after a story. As she noted, part of the effort is defamation. Though not to the same extent by any means, I have shadowy figures pursuing a similar course. As Anita outlines so well, this path includes intimidation, threats, intrusion into personal safety, sowing confusion, and defamation.

    Comment by Patterico — 7/8/2011 @ 5:09 am

    Point taken (yours and Dustin’s). And as has been said several times above, her help to you is very much appreciated by people here.

    Patterico, you know that I rarely publicly take issue with anything you have to say (in fact I can’t remember it happening before). I have a lot of respect for you, as well as the people who help you.

    But you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this. I wasn’t even the one who insulted Anita but I know what gang rape is, and I know what blog insults are. And getting insulted on a blog in what is an open conversation (meaning that people can draw their own conclusions about whether “nitwit” is a true statement based on what someone has said — and I didn’t think so, for the record) has nothing whatever to do with “gang rape.”

    Hurling the simile, the truncated and unnuanced way that Anita did, was unwarranted. And, if you’re going to say that “nitwit” is invective that’s not only unwarranted but strictly out of bounds, being a character assassination, then I would argue that the “gang rape” simile (said invective being hurled by a woman being addressed by what she thinks is all men) is exponentially more so.

    no one you know (325a59)

  374. noyk

    Anita wasnt accusing you of rape or anyone here of rape or the equivalent of rape

    Just the typical boorish ignoranti behavior of a few people here who think always need to comment on someone’s character and gang up on someone relentlessly because – well – they can

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  375. What I find fascinating that the owner of this ice cream stand has asked you guys to quit harassing his customer and more importantly – you guys think that you can just ignore him

    This was a thread about credible threats against his family but nooo we have to always be right about things that – dont really matter AT ALL to the issue at hand

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  376. It’s interesting, that the Pellicano case, hasn’t gotten, more Hollywood attention, I guess it’s too close to them, for comfort, While every other film,
    and TV shows, has murderous private contractors,(A Team, NCIS to cite recent examples) and Bourne, has the CIA gunning down reporters in an open airport, the threat was much closer to home.

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  377. Anita wasnt accusing you of rape or anyone here of rape or the equivalent of rape

    What a great group of people you all are … like a gang rape. Nice. No wonder this country is so polarized.

    Comment by Anita Busch — 7/6/2011 @ 1:20 am

    Eric,

    I never insulted Anita, only respectfully suggested that she be more careful with her choice of simile in future. Just to be clear.

    no one you know (325a59)

  378. noyk

    Like I said she wasnt accusing you or even addressing you but you had to weigh in right?

    Why? It was pretty obviously clear what she meant right?

    But again this is a thread about threats to Pats family

    but you want to argue about other things because its more important?

    these guys who pile on are usually just ignoranti – they are not scientists, lawyers, they are just underemployed losers who have nothing to do all day long – but I have to go I get to watch the class of 2012 train the class of 2015 to be officers in the Army

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  379. Noyk – you are absolutely correct. One of the neighborhood blowhards is just bing himself. Not only did she mean what she said, she confirmed it in subsequent comments. Epwj would have you ignore Anita’s actual words. I will be nice because tte host asked, not because epwj is being a clown.

    JD (25ebf9)

  380. Like I said she wasnt accusing you or even addressing you but you had to weigh in right?

    Why? It was pretty obviously clear what she meant right?

    Not to me it wasn’t. (And I was discussing the topic till it got derailed – blog threads tend to do that I guess…) It wasn’t clear to me because, as I alluded to in my very first comment about “gang rape”, other, less honorable liberals use sexually charged terms, particularly when they’re a woman talking to men, to summarily shut down discussion, and I thought it would be to Anita’s benefit, as I said right there in my comment, to not be mistakenly seen in that false light.

    no one you know (325a59)

  381. There he goes again, NOYK. And I loved the concept of this individual accusing others of thread jacking.

    More to the point NOYK, I admired the way in which you disagreed above.

    Simon Jester (1c544f)

  382. Only scientists and lawyers are worthy of commenting here, and only with epwj’s approval.

    JD (25ebf9)

  383. B-b-but JD, you know what airdick meant. He has the intellect worthy of insulting others. Sock puppet friday is going to be epic!

    ∅ (e7577d)

  384. “Nixon purposely set out to sabotage the Paris Peace Talks for his own political gain with no regard of our young American soldiers dying.”–Busch.

    One of numerous examples of Busch slinging out the most vile insults against folks she doesn’t like. It also happens to be a bald-faced lie, like most of the stuff she’s saying (IOW, she’s a typical journalist).

    The rule is real simple. If you don’t like being on the recieving end of invective, then don’t start dishing it out.

    If I call you a halfwit, then I don’t start whining and crying when you sneer that I’m like a gang rapist, even if it is a tad over the top.

    If I insult people, and light them up, then I expect to get dealt an insult or two in return.

    Now, dry your crying eyes, suck it up…and spare me the hypocrisy.

    Dave Surls (907bd0)

  385. Dave, just consider who the real bad guy is here. Neal. It’s really quite nice that Anita has no trouble getting past her political differences with Patterico. She’s not the only one. Socrates did the same, only Brett and now Neal have outed him with a bogus lawsuit, and I think they are successfully intimidating him.

    They said Socrates was cyber stalking, merely for pointing out that Brett Kimberlin is a violent con artist with a rap sheet, and his claims to have been exonerated are provable lies. By suing this unsophisticated commenter for ‘stalking’, they got his real name and address. That’s extremely disturbing. And now they are asking about Patterico’s wife by name.

    I’m furious. We should all be furious. I feel like there’s very little I can do beyond saying thanks to those who are actually helpful. That’s why I am so appreciative of Anita, and why I can cut her some slack and even understand why she is sensitive to people trashing her. You haven’t been in her shoes, Dave.

    Kimberlin is an unrepentant domestic terrorist who has ruined a lot of lives, and Neal Rauhauser is sophisticated hoaxer. Both are con men, and that they are working together is a good sign we shouldn’t focus on lesser grievances right now. Note, for example, that I’ve got nothing bad to say about Lee right now.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  386. Sorry, Patterico, if Busch feels free to malign good people, and even moral heroes such as Fritz Thyssen, then I feel free to answer her in kind.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  387. we shouldn’t focus on lesser grievances right now

    That’s all very well, except when the slander is happening in this very thread. It needs to be confronted on the spot, not elsewhere. And if you’re worried about topic drift, then the proper place to address your criticism is to the one who changes the topic from Rauhauser and Kimberlin to Nixon and Prescott Bush and Thyssen and Cheney and whomever else she’s slandered.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  388. Milhouse, in trying to figure out why we think similarly but reach different conclusions, I’ve wondered if you’re a utilitarian. This thread has changed that perception.

    I mean no veiled insult by this. I just don’t understand why you’re so interested in pointing the finger. Seems unnecessary.

    I already noted you’re right on many of the factual disputes in this thread, but why not leave it at being right on the facts?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  389. It’s rather simple, really. I think misstatements of fact need to be corrected where and when they occur. And slander needs to be responded to, again where and when it occurs. The blame for going off topic belongs to the one who took it off topic by slandering people.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  390. Thanks, Dustin and Patrick. And I hope you are okay, Patrick. (RE: Maybe Milhouse … methinks he is one of them there sockpuppets).

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  391. Another baseless accusation, not supported by well … anything.

    JD (29e1cd)

  392. More slander, naturally. And I’m supposed to respect this person and treat her as honourable?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  393. Hush, you gang rapist Nazi sympathizer.

    JD (b98cae)

  394. Hush, you gang rapist Nazi sympathizer.

    JD (29e1cd)

  395. @189/190/373. Well said. “-Few people appreciate the extent to which Anita’s life was turned upside down, simply for going after a story…” Well said, indeed. Very few. And those that do know the very real hell it has been.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  396. I think Anita was saying that tongue in cheek. At any rate, it’s interesting just how poorly sockpuppets from the left can pose as conservatives. Milhouse has been around forever. Longer than me. And he’s obviously genuine. He’s also sometimes overreacts, leading to conflict, but then… I’m pretty sure everyone does that sometimes.

    I hope folks can appreciate what’s really important and was isn’t.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  397. Milhouse JD

    All your bullcrap – excuse me but what has this got to do with Neal and the very real threat to Pat?

    Also Milhouse Thyssen was no moral hero – he was jailed after he fled to France realizing the monster he created in hitler – no Thyssen – no Hitler – German industrialists – some say LED by Thyssen created Hitler – by funding him

    But again we cn drive a truck through the ignorati’s statements here – Dave Surls threatened the president by suggesting thagt we use any means to remove him from office – why is someone who committed a felony still here and why Milhouse are you not correcting him in yout quest to correct mistatements?

    If you missed Dave’s missive then I apologise but what about the rest of you? Why are you not jumping down Dave’s stuff?

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  398. At any rate, it’s interesting just how poorly sockpuppets from the left can pose as conservatives.
    Comment by Dustin — 7/8/2011 @ 4:09 pm

    Heh – boy, isn’t that the truth. Always good for some amusement though when it’s clear they think they’re being clever.


    I hope folks can appreciate what’s really important and was isn’t
    .

    The original topic of the thread is certainly extremely serious (personal threats), and obviously involves Patrick as well as Anita, and some others. Again, as has been said by a number of posters here, their courage and work re: all this is very much appreciated.

    no one you know (325a59)

  399. Don’t forget that I threatened your life, epwj. Such abject Bs. It is possible to note Neal Rauhauser’s perfidy and douchebaggery, and still point out that you are a drooling cretin fabulist, or that Anita spits out boilerplate leftist Koskiddie rhetoric, completely unattached to reality.

    JD (85b089)

  400. JD, here’s a script to banish EPWJ and whatever it is that he’s been writing. I don’t want to know, so I don’t.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  401. can’t leave to eat lunch
    without accusations of rape
    flying hither yon

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  402. JD

    You are a documented supporter financially of one of the worst internet cretins – why should anyone listen to you?

    Milhouse – why have you not called out surls?

    Why do you give support to a committed Nazi who unleashed all hell on earth and killed millions of people and you just called him a moral hero?

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  403. JD

    Are you concerned about PAt – I take it by you comments – you are not you would rather go on and on about things that you very well know are not true

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  404. F@ck you and your gibberish, epwj. I spoke with Patrick on the phone last night, so you can take your faux moral high ground and shove it up your ass.

    JD (d48c3b)

  405. JD

    Okay so you call a guy whon you actively support those who slander him and tried to ruin his career

    okay then, takes some moxie to do that

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  406. But this is a thread about the threats to Pats wife – not your personal tell all

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  407. F@ck off. Even Patterico has told you to knock this repeated BS off.

    JD (29e1cd)

  408. Dear God above, is EPWJ telling a person again not to threadjack or insult others?

    Simon Jester (fde20c)

  409. I don’t know. Is he? Use this script and you too will bask in blissful ignorance of what EPWJ is up to.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  410. Hey guys, specifically EPWJ:

    Neal is a manipulator and a social engineer. By pointing out all the old scabs and tensions, you are probably making it easier for him to manipulate folks. Now’s a good time to keep our wits. Perhaps you should use Milhouse’s script to block commenters you feel the urge to relitigate ancient history with.

    Neal’s blog.

    I request any other places Neal or his closer cohorts post be linked in this thread. Help me learn more about these people. Give me some impressions you have.

    From what I can tell of his blog, Neal is not really that intelligent, and has a deep insecurity about exposing himself to arguments from Republicans. Hence his need to take the debate to a place other than a debate.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  411. And speaking of Kimberlin the bomber, here’s news of another bomber. Do you suppose they know each other?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  412. Milhouse, I don’t recall if I thanked you for that script way back when, but it is appreciated. I just don’t mention when I’m using it (it’s probably not hard to tell).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  413. Anyway, the sun’s about to set; see you all tomorrow night after dark.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  414. Wow, Milhouse, I was in St Louis just a few days after that bombing. I was a volunteer for the election. The town was under tremendous political tension. You feel in the air how inevitable Obama’s election was.

    I thought the bombing had something to do with a divorce, just based on word of mouth gossip about it. Someone also walked up to a cop and shot him in broad daylight, for no apparent reason, near WU. The entire town made Baltimore seem like an innocent rural farmtown.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  415. Wow! Milhouse, good night. When you come back tomorrow, I how you read this comment. I just loaded that script, and it is friggin’ amazing.

    Works like a champ. Thank you, thank you.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  416. “Dave Surls threatened the president”

    Man, talk about a slam dunk libel case.

    Too bad I’m so busy gang-raping people that I don’t have time to call my attorney.

    Dave Surls (fa7200)

  417. You all need to lighten up. Just pray for Patrick and his family and all the others who have been threatened.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  418. “Dave, just consider who the real bad guy is here. Neal.”

    Oh, you want to talk about the actual topic of the thread?

    O.k. Rauhauser is a maggot, and Kimberlin is the scum of the earth…but, they’re not doing anything actionable, so what you can do?

    Not much.

    Dave Surls (fa7200)

  419. O.k. Rauhauser is a maggot, and Kimberlin is the scum of the earth

    Amen, brother.

    Dave, I admit I have a hard time developing a strategy for people like Neal. His targeting Patterico’s wife crosses any line of decency (I realize you don’t disagree). I think Brett’s a murderer, and I’m not alone in that view, but that’s old news. Their working together and repeated targeting of innocent critics IRL is something we can’t just wait for the cops to deal with.


    These people are insane.
    Does anyone have an alternative place to see this video? I guess cowardly Neal had it removed.

    At any rate, they want to make it scary to express a conservative opinion. They are working very hard to make that a reality. I have to let law enforcement pursue the criminal aspects of this story, but that doesn’t mean we should just sit and wait.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  420. Dustin, What you are looking for is in the link I provided yesterday in comment #253.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  421. “His targeting Patterico’s wife crosses any line of decency…”

    Maybe so, but I’ve read that KOS article three times, and I don’t see anything that’s actionable. People are talking about threats and slander…but, I ain’t seeing it.

    “I think Brett’s a murderer…”

    Me too. But, thinking it is one thing, and proving it is another.

    Dave Surls (fa7200)

  422. Kimberlin’s a douche and I can prove it.

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  423. Thank you cap’n.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  424. Alicia Pain sent emails with obvious overt threats. Granted, I can’t prove this was Neal. A convicted bomber is discussed with comments referring Patterico’s wife, which I might add is similar to how Patterico’s home address was posted some time in the past when Brett was discussed.

    These folks are not going to just blurt out ‘we are threatening you’. They simply want to make clear they have violent monsters on their side while referencing they know about Patterico or Socrates’s real life address and family. Combined with Neal’s explanation of his intention to be a thug (thanks for that, Cap’n), and I’m not really going out on a limb to say he’s crossing the line.

    There’s much more to this, Dave, that isn’t being openly discussed, but I don’t even think that’s necessary.

    One aspect of both Anita and Patterico’s attacker(s) was the desire to keep just enough distance between the private threats and public menacing that some would be lulled into not taking the threats seriously.

    That’s why I keep wanting to turn the thread from the infighting, and back onto a drawn out analysis of Neal’s aims. To understand him is to understand that these are threats.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  425. Imagine, Dave, that I had a blog post where I talk about my conversations with a convicted and released terrorist. I make it clear I’m in direct contact with that person. I defend them. I even go out of my way to lie about this terrorist’s online nemesis, outing their real name and libeling them with accusations of cyberstalking. In short, I 100% take up the cause of helping a terrorist by being a thug.

    Then, for no real reason, I just assert I want to see a picture of your wife. While talking about this violent terrorist, my new pal.

    Sure, you’re right, this alone is not going to land me in prison 99% of the time (though I think it’s a crime). That’s the point. Being a thug, horrifying people, trying to instil a sense of fear, via these indirect comments… that’s part of Neal’s job. He’s got a few special skills apparently. He’s a hoaxer, ‘social engineer’, manipulator, and able to play games with his ‘telecom’ skills. He is by far the best explanation for many of the stranger happenings in this Weinergate fiasco. At first I thought Liberty Chick was unjustified, but she must have had some inside information.

    Everyone on the right needs to take a very long look at Neal. Understand the unbelievable degree of deception some are capable of, so they are at least more wary online. And they need to understand the potential for some scumbag like Neal or Brett to file a bogus lawsuit to identify them, or the potential for veiled threats to be made against their family.

    This man works with a lot of politicians in the democrat party. The democrat party is facilitating this behavior. It’s early yet, but at some point, this story is going to break and hopefully it’s a little more clear that I’m not overreacting.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  426. Dustin, I don’t think you are over-reacting at all. I have seen this kind of thing up close and personal … it’s all about intimidation and making you fear for your life.

    Add to that, that you aren’t really sure where the threats are coming from, the animal has no face so it makes it all the more menacing. And because of that, you fear not only for your own safety, but that of your family and friends.

    The defamation is all part of the game to make the victim seem like they are over-reacting so it is NOT taken seriously.

    Neal’s tactics remind me of a woman I spoke with once who told me that on her way to D.C. to testify in Ken Starr’s grand jury, she was approached on the train platform by a man who informed her that he knew where her child went to school.

    That grand jury was, of course, convened to look into whether Bill Clinton lied about an extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky.

    Funny how Anthony Weiner is married to Huma who is Hillary Clinton’s whatever she is.

    There is a deposition online where James Carville testifies about the use of private investigators and how he really didn’t think it was a good idea. He also states that he didn’t agree with the fact that a press release was issued about the use of private investigators by the Clinton campaign or the Clintons (I forget which).

    One of those investigators was Anthony Pellicano whose name comes up in the Gennifer Flowers AND Monica Lewinsky problems for Bill Clinton. Terry Lenzer is another one of their investigators and his name comes up on the Paula Jones case.

    Dick Morris has talked time and time again about Hillary Clinton’s “secret police.”

    Certainly makes one wonder wtf Neal is doing.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  427. “A convicted bomber is discussed with comments referring Patterico’s wife, which I might add is similar to how Patterico’s home address was posted some time in the past when Brett was discussed.”

    As far as I know, none of that’s illegal, so where you going to go from there?

    Obviously, you don’t have to convince ME that guys like Rauhauser, or that piece of shit Kimberlin are scumbags. I already think ALL lefties are scumbags (except ones that are personal friends…that’s different).

    The problem is there’s nothing in that Kos article you can do anything about. At least, not that I can see.

    All you can really do is bitch about it…which is o.k. by me. If you guys want to have a “let’s sit around and call the lefties scumbags” festival, you know damned well I’ll be up for it.

    Dave Surls (fa7200)

  428. Anita makes an important connection. Hillary was the hidden force behind Bill Clinton’s Bimbo Eruption Squad. They used intimidation and strong-arm tactics to silence potential critics. It could well be that the old dog has returned to her vomit.

    ropelight (4d0efb)

  429. Lenzer’s firm was IGI, and they werestocked ‘head to toe’ with former law enforcement, intelligence,
    including this particular hire, relevant to an earlier thread, according to a Mother Jones piece:

    Several ex-IGI agents work in the Clinton administration, and in 1994 the State Department awarded IGI’s then-president Raymond Kelly a lucrative no-bid contract to train Haiti’s new police force. Kelly now heads U.S. Customs.

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  430. “The democrat party is facilitating this behavior. ”

    That, sir, IS the beginning and end of this behavior. Thank you.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  431. As far as I know, none of that’s illegal, so where you going to go from there?

    Suppose there were illegal activities. Take the Alicia Pain threats or something worse than that. The more I’ve learned about Neal the more clear it is he’s probably responsible for it. Where I go from there? Well, to be sure, I need to learn more about Neal and the people associated closely with him. Hopefully the more we learn the clearer our next steps will be.

    And granted, a lot of this just looks like a

    “let’s sit around and call the lefties scumbags” festival

    which to be honest, it’s not. I don’t think all leftists are like this at all. I do think there’s a strain of organized political activists who lean this way because they think they can get away with escaping publicity for it, but there are plenty of leftists who wouldn’t dream of threatening your family.

    Anyway, insofar as this is an opportunity to call scumbags ugly things, I do welcome you to join me in doing so.

    But I also really do hope folks will share whatever insights they have about Neal. I know a lot about Kimberlin… i know things about him he probably doesn’t know. But Neal I don’t really know well enough. I want to know all about this guy.

    Anita is right to say

    The defamation is all part of the game to make the victim seem like they are over-reacting so it is NOT taken seriously.

    They did this to Socrates, and surely part of their tactics, both public and private, are meant to leave just enough room for folks to shrug off drawing connections or taking the problem seriously.

    I’m intrigued by the connections Anita is drawing, even if we’re talking about a very loose connection. I think there’s an atmosphere of dirty tricks, and I expect a lot of people supporting eachother in conducting them.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  432. Thanks, Anita, BTW.

    I’ll have to look over Carville’s discussion of these investigators that he wasn’t comfortable with.

    Frankly, the people who should be most concerned about Neal and Brett are legitimate democrat activists who respect the rights of all individuals to be part of the political process. All this ‘Tea Party Tracker’ crap is the direct opposite of democracy. It’s fascism-lite, and real democrats should be interested in listening instead of silencing. This seems like a different topic from threats and crimes and thugs, but it’s a major aspect of the story.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  433. Dave Surls,

    At a minimum, someone named Alicia Pain threatened me. That much is illegal. I have repeatedly said there is more going on as well.

    At the very same time, Kimberlin and Rauhauser are teaming up to defame me, and Rauhauser is looking for pictures of my wife.

    Whether this coincidental or not is something that will have to be researched.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  434. I spoke with Patrick on the phone last night

    This would be a good part of why I no longer do so.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  435. This would be a good part of why I no longer do so.

    I’d say he’s probably better off!

    ∅ (e7577d)

  436. Being the ignorant cockstain that you are, such a statement would not be out of character for you.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  437. Someone is grumpy again …

    JD (318f81)

  438. Have you seen the turd’s comment here?
    http://tinyurl.com/3t7thgc
    Unflippinbelieveable

    Auntie Fraud (2f38aa)

  439. Rauhauser and Ashford and Kimberlin and imdw make a cute group of nasty hateful evil lying douchenozzles. Maybe SEKs and his band of racists could join in.

    JD (318f81)

  440. Auntie, why not link that in a thread on the actual topic?

    Too many people keep changing the subject from Neal.

    Anyway, your link is the predictable reaction. I agree with you that it’s wrong. But perhaps it should be discussed in one of Aaron’s threads on the topic. I mean, that dispute is infinitely less odious than what Neal or Brett’s methods. I don’t have the slightest problem with a legitimate policy discussion.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  441. I don’t know how a cockstain, or any stain, can be ignorant. But, I’m sure your speaking from experience.

    ∅ (e7577d)

  442. Dustin – did you bother to read the link, or the only comment left at that post, by the cretin Rauhauser?

    JD (d48c3b)

  443. your s/b you’re

    ∅ (e7577d)

  444. Dustin – did you bother to read the link, or the only comment left at that post, by the cretin Rauhauser?

    Comment by JD

    Shoot. No, I didn’t see the comment, JD.

    I apologize, Aunti Fraud. I thought you were mentioning that link only because it related to Aaron. She did say comment, and I completely misunderstood.

    I apologize. I read the article, actually, and left it at that. Doh!

    Dustin (b7410e)

  445. And I owe more than an apology, Auntie. Thank you very much for linking that. Anyone else see anything like that, I’d appreciate if they’d link it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  446. I left a comment discussing Neal’s affiliation with a violent con artist. Hopefully Ken Ashford will post the comment soon.

    It’s really interesting that Neal would think he doesn’t sound ridiculous to accuse Patterico, the guy contacting law enforcement, of being the mastermind. Hell, it’s absurd on many levels.

    This Neal guy is clever enough to suggest it’s just a fact that someone was directing Weinergate. How do you direct Weiner to post that photo and then admit it? Sure, Weiner accused hackers of posting that pic, but it’s pretty old news that Weiner simply screwed up and posted the pic himself.

    I’m sure most on the left are not stupid enough to cling to the hope there was a dirty trick campaign to frame Weiner right at the same time Weiner happened to post the image. There was no director. Weiner was interacting very closely with his supporters on the basis of whether they were very young ladies or not. He was careless with whether they were minors. The attempt to change the subject to some conspiracy is pathetic.

    Sorry, Neal, what you’re accusing Patterico of being the director of didn’t even happen. And in your efforts, you’ve shown the world you are a supporter of violent con artists. You don’t actually seem to be any good at what you’re trying to do.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  447. “Dave Surls,”

    “At a minimum, someone named Alicia Pain threatened me.”

    I’m only commenting on what appeared in the linked article, Pat.

    It doesn’t look to me like there’s anything there that you can take action on.

    Would I be happy if a scumbag associated with Kimberlin was looking for pictures of my wife?

    Hell, no.

    But, what can I do about it (legally)?

    Nothing.

    Dave Surls (b57ae5)

  448. Dave, I don’t think Patterico disagrees with you on that specific point.

    However, there are crimes being committed. Patterico has noted there’s more to this that what you’re aware of, but regardless, I think the point of discussing Neal is not solely a legal issue. I think it’s important simply to learn as much about this guy’s behavior and how many democrat campaigns rely on a thug who supports domestic terrorist Brett Kimberlin.

    Brett set bombs that ruined lives, and is an absolute con artist, and Neal’s repeating what he says without any criticism. In fact, Neal is going out of his way to smear the good name of an innocent person who simply told the truth about Brett’s cons.

    Neal claims he worked with 44 democrat politicians. If that’s true, then the democrat party is facilitating an awful person.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  449. Oh good. Ken posted my reply. It’s my typical long winded approach, so not much gained. I just get a bit apprehensive when comments have to be approved.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  450. It was a smart comment, Dustin.

    On a side note, it’s interesting to observe Mr. Rauhauser conveniently jumping in as the first commenter but only to cast doubt and suspicion upon Patrick, when the specific post had nothing to do with anything or anyone but Stengel and the Constitution.

    It’s rather contrived and his segueing to Patrick is awkwardly amateurish.

    Can we expect to see more sprinklings of contrivance from him in the interwebs as things intensify? I shall be on the lookout.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  451. Meh.

    On a side note, it’s interesting to observe Mr. Rauhauser conveniently jumping in as the first commenter – but only to cast doubt and suspicion upon Patrick. Interesting because when the specific post had nothing to do with anything or anyone but Stengel and the Constitution. Nonetheless, never let a crisis an opportunity go to waste.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  452. Dave Surls,

    I’ll tell you what you can legally do.

    Keep your eyes open.

    See the link Auntie Fraud posted?

    If you see something like that, tell me.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  453. Dana, thanks!

    And yeah, it was pathetic that Neal jumped in there and blurted out something about Patterico or Weinergate.

    I guess the idea is as you say, just lamely plant a seed of suspicion. I’m surprised he uses his real name to do it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  454. Neal also sent Stranahan (who Neal knew would forward it to me) an outline prepared by Anonymiss supposedly showing I am behind the Weinergate coverup, or something.

    I have not looked at it.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  455. Dustin

    This might be the guy who wrote about Aaron

    http://www.wcsr.com/lawyers/kenneth-ashford

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  456. I don’t email Stranahan any more, but I will say to him publicly that I thank him for forwarding information like that and for telling Neal he got things wrong. Also, be careful about opening any attachment from Neal.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  457. I don’t much care if someone writes a reasoned (or even not so reasoned) critique of Aaron’s posts. I never had the chance to read Aaron’s post and have no view on any critique of it. Still busy at work and attending to other important matters.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  458. I don’t really see a huge problem with Mr Ashford. All he’s doing is legitimately discussing a political/legal issue. I disagree strongly with how he interprets Richard’s article, but frankly, this is what free speech is all about. I can respond to Ken with ideas, and he can respond back, and we don’t have to get beyond that level.

    I don’t need to see his picture or know his phone number.

    Tufts is a great school. I love that part of the Boston area. Spent the night across the street from Wren hall with some friends once. They have a great Philosophy department.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  459. Dustin

    happenstance that minutes after it was posted that Neal commented on it –

    Its a big internet the odds are?

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  460. Cross posted with Patterico.

    Hey, Pat, you really should real Aaron’s work when you get a chance.

    http://patterico.com/2011/06/23/richard-stengel%E2%80%99s-illiterate-reading-of-the-constitution-and-other-laws/

    http://patterico.com/2011/06/28/thirteen-clear-factual-errors-in-richard-stengel%E2%80%99s-essay-on-the-constitution-and-i-am-looking-for-your-help/

    I know he’s been voluminous on this topic, but it’s really great stuff.

    Also, be careful about opening any attachment from Neal.

    I have a secure environment I can open anything on, if you’d like me to look at something like that. I realize this diagram is probably asinine, relying entirely on changing ‘Patterico dared to post John Reid’s comments’ to ‘Patterico endorsed John Reid’s comments and totally tried to sell them to everyone’.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  461. Dustin

    happenstance that minutes after it was posted that Neal commented on it –

    Its a big internet the odds are?

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 7

    Yes, that is really hard to understand, EPWJ.

    Ken’s blog doesn’t appear to be major, so I’m not sure why Neal would be right there so fast. Even if he’s spamming google with searches for blog posts on Aaron or Patterico, it’s a little odd.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  462. Dustin

    Oh I’m taking a look see – brb

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  463. #453

    You got it.

    Dave Surls (b57ae5)


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