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6/27/2011

#Weinergate: Mike Stack Is Threatened

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:42 pm



It happened over a week ago, but we have been holding onto it for reasons I hope to be able to explain soon. Mike Stack, aka “goatsred” from the Dan Wolfe #bornfreecrew, has now authorized me to release this:

Just to be clear: the e-mail was sent to Stack. The e-mailer used “goatsred” (his Twitter moniker) in their Hushmail address to mock him.

More information regarding other criminal activity when I am allowed to publish it. You haven’t heard the worst of it yet.

116 Responses to “#Weinergate: Mike Stack Is Threatened”

  1. File a complaint and let law enforcement have at them.

    Anitabusch (a025dd)

  2. I spoke today to detectives from two jurisdictions.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  3. So at what point does transform from a quirky blog driven story to a real coordinated law enforcement effort? For me, it should have already happenned, so hopefully all these cops arent acting indepenently as that will hamper them all.

    Bret schlyer (493d93)

  4. “Touche, Dr. Moriarty, you got me.”

    koam (7c1f46)

  5. What is going on? Just bizarre.

    Are you going to release more DM’s allegedly from “John Reid”, Patterico? Has he gone silent again?

    BTW, I sent you an email re some other players in this story.

    Miranda (4104db)

  6. I’m so sorry for you, Goatsred.

    MayBee (081489)

  7. I see the “Left Wing” is up to it’s usual antics.

    Hopefully, law enforcement will track down these “reality-based community” folks and make the appropriate charges.

    Bill M (25d866)

  8. Remember the good old days when insane women just left a boiled rabbit on your stove?

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  9. Miranda,

    I hope to release more but it will probably be the end if the week. I am slammed with work and can’t help it.

    John Reid has not contacted me today but I hope he will.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  10. This really puts my problems into perspective.

    Hang in there Mike.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  11. Bret,

    My main goal in getting involved has been to make sure all agencies are talking to each other. Be assured that I am making efforts to ensure that happens.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  12. Pat has been awesome.

    goatsred (b20383)

  13. Everyone who sensationalized their bashing of Mike without knowing the truth, or not caring, owes Mike an explanation. TSG among others.

    It’s really clear when you throw someone’s name out there to the wolves, with an irrelevant mugshot like that, in the middle of a very hostile partisan scandal, that someone is going to take tremendous grief.

    I don’t mean we can blame those people for this threat. But it’s a shame.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  14. By the way, I think that threat followed an outline of the method and manner of the MAsock’s attempts to befriend him and use him to shop Nikki’s DM’s to Breitbart, which that appeared in the comments here.

    That outline tended to give away the sockitude of both Nikki and MA.

    MA follows Nikki’s patterns of divulging very personal information about herself and others too quickly based on what could necessarily only be a superficial recognition of Mike’s “Goodness” and “trustworthiness”(see also, Gennette, Tommy and various private persons who have dealt with these characters in private) Not that he doesn’t possess these traits, but her she approached him with flattery and excessive confidence.

    She used the bird with a broken wing hook, Nikki was “abused” and they were being harassed – by Ethel and Ethel’s friends – and Weiner!

    Of course the DM’s later *supposed* to be troubled marianela’s fictional creations, actually were provided by Gennette, whatever her motivations were for providing them, she did provide them to the Nikkisock. Also the total anonymity she insisted upon and kept re-confirming, was ostensibly requested so she could be TV-famous.

    The socks pick a target and try to gain confidence by sharing intimate details and appeals to the targets values and sense of doing the right thing.

    I think the white-knight ruse works better with men (and actually had the effect of raising GC’s
    suspicions farther, when she had already noticed the socks contacting and following not weiner but then one and another one of the girls he followed).

    SarahW (af7312)

  15. Sarah, thanks for noting that Mike got involved with this because of his essential goodness, and his wish to help people.

    That should be repeated many times.

    You’re making a great point that someone has been exploiting goodness in others.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  16. I spoke today to detectives from two jurisdictions.

    Comment by Patterico — 6/27/2011 @ 7:49 pm

    Did you ever get hold of the Boston detective?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  17. Prayers for all…

    Sue (24e46b)

  18. Stay safe Goatsred. It seems no good deed goes unpunished.

    tier (4a939c)

  19. Thanks again for the nice words and seeing that I was actually trying to help.

    goatsred (b20383)

  20. You did help, goats. What was going on was kray-kray.

    MayBee (081489)

  21. Thanks very much for all your hard work Patterico. I can’t imagine doing this blog is exactly lucrative. And of course you have your demanding day job.

    Mike/Goatsred, so sorry you are having to go through this insanity. Please know that there are many people unknown to you who are keeping you in our prayers.

    Patterico, I hope when you have some time that you read Coulter’s latest “Demonic” – sounds terrible but the way she describes mobs & uses the example of the French Revolution is great. IOW, the Left has a tendency to engage in mob-like behavior, collectivist thinking etc. That’s what this whole episode reminds me of – group cyber thuggery. I think you said last night on Lee’s show that you didn’t think there was anything especially “liberal” (Lee should have said “progressive” I think) about the sockpuppet drama. But I think it is very much something Progressives/Leftists would do, and not something Conservatives would do.

    Let’s remember this: For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:12

    Miranda (4104db)

  22. This is the problem, frankly, for many on the Left. They eschew authority…except for their own. Because they believe themselves to be good, people who oppose them must be evil. And anything they do to fight evil, by their lights, is acceptable.

    So in groups, our progressive friends do horrific things that they would never, ever tolerate from the Right.

    It’s as much a warning to the Right as a condemnation of the Left.

    This apparent “mobbing” behavior is pretty typical. Sadly.

    Simon Jester (2a3ab1)

  23. Thanks again for the nice words and seeing that I was actually trying to help.

    Comment by goatsred — 6/27/2011 @ 8:20 pm

    Keep fighting the good fight, I still thing something very good comes of all this. We will be praying for you also.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  24. RocksEm,

    I will not discuss which jurisdictions.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  25. I haven’t read everyone else’s comments (still off line at work, just got home, blah, blah, blah) but first, I hope Mike Stack is safe and taking precautions, and I wish him the best.

    Secondly, I do not like all this threatening material. While I suspect it’s someone who needs mental health treatment, it makes me very angry and uneasy.

    When all is said and done, and we know all the players, I hope whoever has been doing this has a great deal of inconvenience and expense, if jail time isn’t an option.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  26. Patterico,

    I have several friends who are lawyers, and yet, I have always despised them. But you, my friend, have restored my faith in all humanity. Keep up the good work.

    teebo (8538a6)

  27. You know this might be a rehearsal for the ’12 campaign.

    Think of the havoc sockpuppetry could wreak. Fake email/twitter/facebook accounts for candidates, etc. Look how long this has been going on – and still not solved. And I would not trust the FBI director at – all.

    The Left worships Alinsky/Lucifer. I wouldn’t put anything past them.

    Miranda (4104db)

  28. @ Miranda,

    This is the problem, frankly, for many on the Left. They eschew authority…except for their own. Because they believe themselves to be good, people who oppose them must be evil. And anything they do to fight evil, by their lights, is acceptable.

    While I agree with this, I also think that a distinct difference is that it is just far easier for the left to be willfully dishonest without batting an eye than it is for the right. It’s part of why they can play so dirty and the right is often unable to find a successful tactic to counteract it.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  29. Secondly, I do not like all this threatening material. While I suspect it’s someone who needs mental health treatment, it makes me very angry and uneasy.

    Anger, yes. Uneasy, yes.

    This person, assuming it’s just one person, is dangerous. Everyone whose real name is known out there should be aware of their surroundings, make sure someone knows where they are and what they are doing, etc.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  30. The Left worships Alinsky/Lucifer. I wouldn’t put anything past them.

    Comment by Miranda —

    It’s amazing when you put it that way. And true. A mentally disturbed person full of certainty they are morally free to do whatever they want, because of the way some lefty ideals justify any means necessary, is a recipe for disaster. I think we’ve seen that in many more deranged lefties than righties.

    I won’t say it’s a hard and fast absolute thing, but it’s hard not to notice the trend.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  31. This person, assuming it’s just one person, is dangerous. Everyone whose real name is known out there should be aware of their surroundings, make sure someone knows where they are and what they are doing, etc.

    Let’s not overcomplicate things, Dustin, and stick to the assumption it’s just one person. Simplicity generally works.

    Your advice is sound, though, simply in a general way; if there is one thing I’d love to inculcate it’s being aware that you are never, ever, completely safe, and every person needs to maintain a sense of situational awareness.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  32. Dana, actually Simon Jester said that at #23.

    But I totally agree with him!

    Yes, when you don’t believe in a concept of absolute Truth – when there are no standards of behavior – only what “feels” right – soon there is moral anarchy.

    Miranda (4104db)

  33. Let’s not overcomplicate things, Dustin, and stick to the assumption it’s just one person

    That seems like a reasonable request.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  34. Miranda, Dana, I do think that a “higher authority” reduces the chances of relativism and innate dishonesty. But it always makes the Left angry when I say that.

    Which doesn’t mean I (or you) are wrong…

    Simon Jester (2a3ab1)

  35. #8 — boiled rabbits are not necessary, I assure you. It’s been over 40 years, and I still startle-wake at odd sounds sometimes, especially if I think I’m alone. Watch “Play Misty for Me” for a less over-the-top stalker. No, that film was not based on my life, but the first half is scary-close.

    htom (412a17)

  36. Miranda,

    Thanks for the correction. And yes, moral anarchy appears and truth becomes what they need it to be: it’s always in a state of flux, malleable, and able to be switched up whenever necessary. Just as long as the narrative can be sold to the masses.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  37. Let’s not overcomplicate things, Dustin, and stick to the assumption it’s just one person. Simplicity generally works.

    That that a step further, assume all of the JReid/Nikki/whoever are one insane person making these threats and false police reports.

    If its one nutjob, why is Gennette so desperate for information on her that she spends day and night reading and posting on this site?

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  38. Next up: Registering to vote on line and actually casting votes for important elections on line. Yes. That’s something to look forward to with great confidence. Oh, don’t worry, I’m sure the security and verification and tabulation processes will be awesomely awesome and virtually unhackable.

    How many years down the road will it be before we are encouraged/forced to vote on-line do you suppose?

    elissa (5e485d)

  39. If its one nutjob, why is Gennette so desperate for information on her that she spends day and night reading and posting on this site?

    Comment by Kaisersoze —

    When you put it that way, I can hardly blame her. She probably should be particularly aware of her surroundings. She’s been demonized quite a lot, and I hate to admit it, but I’ve had more than a few unkind words for her, but ultimately, whoever is responsible for all this is probably damn interested in her too.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  40. Wow, look what one little stiffy started. Mike, I’ll pray for your safety. Maybe this will make it to the big screen someday and Patterico can retire early!

    Doctor Hook (ba7756)

  41. If its one nutjob, why is Gennette so desperate for information on her that she spends day and night reading and posting on this site?

    An excellent question. Am I allowed to speculate?

    On a charitable level, she needs to find out that the Reids are fictional (entirely) so that she’s right; if she’s right, then Weiner was wrong not to listen to her. She’s justified.

    Not so charitably, she is desperate to know if she’s been exposed in a very stupid, highly amateur sting operation.

    Completely uncharitably, she’s afraid she’s about to be caught as part of this nonsense. She may not have been doing all the nonsense we’ve been reading, but she may have begun the operation; not having read her fellows correctly, they have wandered off the reservation, and she’s watching in horror, afraid of how quickly it leads back to her.

    If that’s the case, she has my sympathy. I’d advise her to come clean, at least to Patterico.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  42. Full disclosure, i knew all about that one, and told him:

    1) call the police on them, and

    2) don’t freak out, though. imho internet threats are the most feeble ones possible.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  43. I should also add that, though I am personally convinced that the “Reids” were always pointed squarely at the “bornfreecrew” and whatever right-wing bloggers who might be dragged in, Genetter hopes that the “Reids” et al were, indeed, right-wingers trying to find material against Weiner.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  44. I find no fault in your thinking Dianna, but another explanation is that Gennette is afraid of this person behind these entities and needs to know who they are for prudential reasons.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  45. Not so charitably, she is desperate to know if she’s been exposed in a very stupid, highly amateur sting operation.

    Much love for Dustin, but this is my take on it too. I think she has done something wrong and knows she is a bit player in something that could go very, very wrong. Not in the sense of some whackjob threatening her (though that isn’t pleasant) but in the sense that her and others were part of covering Weiner’s tracks and their collaboration may have crossed some lines into illegality.

    It just doesn’t make sense to me that Gennette (who is obviously bright though very young) would avoid any publicity or any money making interviews yet is fanatical about what Patterico is writing on his blog.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  46. 2) don’t freak out, though. imho internet threats are the most feeble ones possible.

    Comment by Aaron Worthing

    whoo, boy.

    I am sorry to jump on that, but…well. I have a rule (and I do not intimidate worth a damn), and that is: if I receive a threat, no matter how weak, I honor it. Always. Because the day you don’t is the day you die.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  47. #36 – No, that film was not based on my life, but the first half is scary-close.

    That is scary, I’ve been through some serious things in my life but all were direct and/or confrontational. Something like that is much worse.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  48. I do grapple with the coincidence we seem to be looking at. I mean, what are the actual odds that a single crazy person capable of pretending to be many people through the use of the internet and social media would somehow intersect with a freaky sick and over the top politician also using the internet to play games? Really. What are the odds.

    Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

    elissa (5e485d)

  49. Dustin at #45 – Oh, you’re right. That was in my thinking, I didn’t articulate it worth a darn. Much clearer, in your formulation.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  50. Thanks, Kaiser.

    Really, I sincerely appreciate any kinds words anyone has for me on this blog lately.

    You and Dianna are probably right. I wouldn’t bet against you. I’m just trying to be charitable lately, which is a real challenge for me.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  51. Elissa, I’m chattering and probably stepping on other people (due to lack of ability to interact on-line since last Thursday *pout* *pout*), but yes, the coincidence is striking.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  52. I’m just trying to be charitable lately, which is a real challenge for me.

    If it cheers you up any, you can get a really good price on buying the domain for this whole thing!

    http://www.sockwarehouse.com

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  53. Have we said all there is to say about this?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  54. i just want to go out on a limb and say, I am opposed to what this person said to Mike.

    There, Dianna, i believe we have said all there is to say about this.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  55. Patrick,
    I emailed you on Saturday about another subject, concerning Texas politics and media. Of course you’re super-super-busy, but would you take a look at it in the near future? Alternatively, perhaps DRJ would like to. Are you there, DRJ?

    Thanks,

    Bradley

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (012ac6)

  56. #48. Crazy people do crazy things. It may be that GennyC is suddenly aware that crazy people are not just in the movies, and is desperately trying to figure out just who are the crazies, and who (if anyone) is trustworthy. It’s hard to do, even with professional help. Locking up the crazy person isn’t much of a help; that just really shows you how much you have to trust the rest of society, and that is not always easy.

    htom (412a17)

  57. jeebus, when you are information-hoarders just gonna spill the beans? The threat emails are incredibly lame, its like if they created CSI:Fargo and did hour long episodes on shoplifting.

    milowent (0f8248)

  58. I think Gennete has a vested intereset in the Reid’s be proven to be sockpuppets or she is going to look like she has a much larger role in this entire #Weinergate story.

    She was reaching out to Nikki and also playing that contact out against her contacts with Rep. Weiner hey even may have had a part in dragging “Ethel” into the scandel.

    If they are real and can show that she actually induced Nikki into contacting Rep. Weiner she looks like a perp and not a random victim of the errant tweet of the Weiner package on May 27.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  59. At the risk of interjecting reality — there’s a real person connected to this. We know her name and we know that she went to the police and did something more than just threaten via email; she filed an actual police report against someone.
    That’s an act that could have had serious real world consequences.

    And yet — last night, the people at Patterico.com 1) pretended she was really a father and asked her questions (!!) 2) and spent a good deal of time baching GennetteC 3) and bashed me…the person who had the false police report filed against them.

    WE. KNOW. WHO. DID. IT.

    Amd yet, it’s like many of you are in a trance — “Oh, look! A shiny puppet! Gosh, Lee bugs me! Why is he even writing? Hi, nice puppet — we won’t do anyting to make you angry, nice puppet! We want you to stay and lie to us some more, cute little puppet!”

    And even on this thread — did I miss a single mention that we actually know the name and city of the person who most likely threatened everyone in the story?

    Seriously, something is very wrong.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  60. And yet — last night, the people at Patterico.com 1) pretended she was really a father and asked her questions (!!) 2) and spent a good deal of time baching GennetteC 3) and bashed me…the person who had the false police report filed against them.

    Yeah, that’s surreal. But most of us were doing so in arguendo making no mistake that we weren’t buying the act.

    I, for example, specifically mentioned the person who you reported filed a false police report against you, by her name, specifically for doing that. I then directly asked the persona you believe (As I do) filed the report to condemn doing so (Which s/he did). That was one of the first comments in the thread. But I wasn’t the only one who did that.

    So it’s not really like we’re ignoring that very important aspect of this story.

    did I miss a single mention that we actually know the name and city of the person who most likely threatened everyone in the story?

    ‘most likely’. I agree with you. I think some of us are worried it would be unfair to lay this at the feet of someone who is only the best explanation rather than the certain one.

    Lee, I’ve reached out to you in email, and would like to resolve our differences, but I haven’t had a reply. I would appreciate it, and think it’s only decent, given you have taken the time to specifically criticize me to an audience I wasn’t even a part of (and wrongly).

    For all my criticisms of you, nothing you’ve said of me is as bad as a false police report. I’ve also said this to you in private, but you didn’t reply yet.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  61. No offense Lee – but I guess you & Patterico need to chat.

    Because he’s referred to hoping that John Reid will contact him – see comment #9 above.

    Just a little confusing for us down here in Comment Land. Do I think JR is a “real” father – of course not. But I thought we were humoring the real person behind the socks, in order to get more info.

    I’m a supporter of yours – not a basher. Something that aggravates me about this blog is the tolerance of commenters who call you a “liar” and claim you “lied”, repeatedly.

    Miranda (4104db)

  62. Lee, it is not clear where this Jenny George is from based on the comments from Pat.

    He just mentioned contacting police resources is to locations but he was a little vague.

    Did you every get a phone nubmer or address for the woman that called you and did you make any further contact with her after her call to you two Sunday’s ago?

    You mention MA and an speaking pattern but at this point we are a little light on facts. It seems thay you have drifted to drawing diagrams of sockpuppts and Pat is busy on other work to provide any update on the data from Jony Reid or the three (3) quotes he left us hanging with on Sunday.

    You were also a little vague on where the Detective was contacting your from on Sunday, so without so more data points, I guess we wait for your next radio program or a data dump via Patterico later in the week and the trail of the sockpuppts grows cold….

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  63. 1) pretended she was really a father and asked her questions (!!)

    No offense Lee, I generally agree with you here but I bet the California Jenny George would get a good chuckle out of you lecturing people about who is real and who isn’t.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  64. Sorry — I didn’t update the post here…

    Full details were posted here – http://leestranahan.com/jenny-george-files-police-report-accusing-me-of-making-threats-against-her/comment-page-2#comment-6021

    She’s in Boston, etc.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  65. California Jenny George is obviously real. She has connection to this story, something I was able to confirm by tracking down the Boston Jenny George who IS connected to the story.

    As for the one in California, I was never remotely dishonest with her or about her.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  66. Lee is upset that he thinks I have accused him of lying about this Jenny George phone call.

    I do not have any idea if this call took place. If he’s posted a recording of it on his website or played it on his show, I didn’t know that because I am not in the audience of either.

    Anyway, I was making a point about what happens when people stop trusting you. I want to make 100% clear that I have no reason to say that this call did not take place. I never said that this call did not take place, though I certainly did ask if anyone could link some kind of evidence for it.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  67. “What’s your hard information about this phone call? Did it really
    happen, or are you lying about it? Show us your recording of the call,
    or any evidence it happened. When someone is caught lying, they have
    to provide more than their word in the future.”

    That’s what I actually said. I said I have no evidence showing the call happened aside from Lee’s promise it did.

    And this wasn’t a statement about the call, this was a statement about how Lee’s treatment of Razor undermines the value of his work.

    Lee thinks I was trying to say this call doesn’t take place, and that is a misunderstanding. I have no idea about this call. I don’t even know what its relevance is.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  68. btw, if I had to guess, I’d say it’s 99.9% likely this call took place. My point was simply not related to this call.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  69. As for the one in California, I was never remotely dishonest with her or about her.

    No, but you thought California Jenny George was part of the story at one point, and now you seem certain that all these socks are one person and one person alone. My point is that there is plenty of room for uncertainty in this story and it doesn’t make posters here “off the rails on the crazy train” if they don’t feel the certainty you do. It sure seems like Patterico doesn’t feel that certainty you are using to slam posters here.

    I don’t think Patterico feels the certainty you do and

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  70. Typo – 86 the last sentence fragment.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  71. Why did I think California Jenny George MIGHT have been involved? Because of the evidence out there — including a several lies from Boston Jenny George that led directly to California Jenny George. So — yes, in following that evidence (such as doing a UCLA directory search as suggested by Boston Jenny George) the innocent JG’s name up.

    I took care to never reveal her name or even an identifying political affiliation. And I was always 100% honest with and respectful of her — unlike at least two other people I can think of.

    As far as I know, Patterico has been purely agnostic on the issue you described.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  72. Because of the evidence out there — including a several lies from Boston Jenny George that led directly to California Jenny George

    Thanks for making my point for me. At that point the evidence lead to California Jenny George. Then new evidence became available.

    Wait for it…. new evidence may become available after today that we dont’ have today but you are making the “crazy train” pronouncement as if everything is set in stone.

    I like your writing. I agree with you on most of this and listened to several of the radio streams. But slamming people here as “off the rails on the crazy train” who think there may be more to the story than you do or are waiting on more information (or who haven’t absorbed every detail like you and Patrick have and are missing elements of it) is kind of obnoxious.

    The people asking questions (including myself) of JReid9 were asked to do by Patrick and were trying to draw that person out or catch them in mistakes. You are acting like we were swallowing it whole and “pretending” it was real when that isn’t the case.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  73. Didn’t John Reid promise to do a video chat with Patterico today? I am assuming that never happened…

    AG_Conservative (dd3930)

  74. I never said to any degree of certainty that California Jenny George was involved.

    I’m saying that about Boston Jenny George.

    It’s not coin flipping.

    Briefly — Boston Jenny George is the person who started the @Starchild111 account. That’s confirmed via web searches connecting her, identifying info on the account like name and her own statement and knowledge of the account. She’s a real person – this is confirmed by three people I have spoken to personally.

    She’s the person behind Nikki — which means all the other sock puppets associated with Nikki. You think what you want; I don’t say ‘100 percent’ lightly.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  75. Here’s the truth: I claimed I wasn’t sure if this call occurred.

    Here’s something that is not the truth, which I am informed has been said about me: that I claimed I know it is a fabrication, bearing “false witness”.

    I asked for verification. I expressed doubt.

    I now offer a prize to anyone who can prove that I said I had knowledge that this phone call was fabricated. $100. It’s not much, but hey, I don’t care that much. Lee is entitled to me correcting any false impression any of you may have had that I was an authority on this topic, and as a courtesy to Lee, I want to seek out any examples of this that are not merely my personal doubts.

    Thanks for humoring me.

    You think what you want; I don’t say ’100 percent’ lightly.

    Understand, Lee, we don’t know all the reasons you say 100 percent. So we can’t say 100 percent. We can merely say ‘Lee says he’s 100 percent on this’. It is extremely important that whoever is behind this, which I realize you say you are 100% certain is Jenny, is brought to justice. I think you have very hard proof that Jenny did file a BS police report, and this is very good evidence for most of your claims. Despite our differences, I am man enough to admit this has greatly lessened my doubts, and you are entitled to have your critics admit to that kind of thing.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  76. Mike, I assume this is what you were talking about! Insane. SarahW’s point about you ‘just trying to help’ has to be stressed.

    And we have to remember that the left’s tactic is always to take advantage of what they see as a gullible naivete, what we call ‘being a decent person.’

    ‘Any means necessary’ is their motto after all.

    After the fact the left always attacks the messenger. The ‘Joe the Plumber’ gambit. The ‘Bimbo Eruptions’ squad. Destroy the lives of normal, non-public figures for having the audacity of being in proximity when a public leftist leader implodes.

    Starchild111 and JR and the rest of the socks may very well be Jenny G from Boston, a disturbed troll caught up in a larger story, but it is plain to me that even her continued baiting and DM releases is a distraction from the very real fact that there was and continues to be an organized, well financed PR machine utilized by the left on line/social media that uses sock-puppets, troll bait etc… to disseminate false information, cast doubt on true information, muddy the waters and engage in the ‘politics of personal destruction’

    Holy run-on sentence Batman!

    Anyway, I hope that what’s happened to Mike is resolved quickly and justly. I really hope that these crazy people and the Soros funded PR slime-balls alike don’t discourage the rest of us from speaking out, trying to be decent people. I’d hate that the end result is that we end up as cynical as they are.

    coondawg68 (5fad4e)

  77. I have no, and I mean no, doubt that Lee is has been speaking to the author of one or more (and likely more if not all) of the socks(and maybe all).

    She deliberately pointed to the other George (and that is not Lee’s doing; and he approached the Cali George in a direct manner than Preston, who sidled up to her instead,and prior to Lee catching wind of her himself).

    I am also perfectly convinced she exists.

    My one point of doubt is that the person talking to Lee is one and the same as the Jenny George who take screenwriting courses, but I presume post-police report there would be some more confirming detail.

    I don’t know if she filed that report in person, and signed it, if her general appearance was observed, and so forth.

    It’s a possibility of a griefer posing as this George that is my one worry. There is some side information that would suggest that this real-life actually existing Jenny is perfectly capable of something as nutty as this sock scheme, so I think my concern might be excessive,
    but I would like that ONE detail nailed and gorilla-glued to the floor.

    Patiot’s Lee rants over at Joe’s place (threatening to ruin Lee) are not just emphatic, the are FULL of tells of lying. That character is a fiction, a put-on.

    MA and Nikki certainly are, and Reid and Patricia and Marc and whoever else I have left out for the time being.

    Lee has got the person. Once it is established that his caller is independently identified as not only a person who exists or has claimed to be her, but actually is her, I will say Lee has got his man.

    SarahW (af7312)

  78. Thanks coondawg68.
    Just some advice to those involved who may be covering things up or sitting back and having a good laugh– it never was funny but has crossed the line into serious grounds right now.
    Just sayin’.

    goatsred (b20383)

  79. mike/goat

    > but has crossed the line into serious grounds right now.

    why? did something else happen i don’t know about?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  80. .

    I am also perfectly convinced she exists.

    My one point of doubt is that the person talking to Lee is one and the same as the Jenny George who take screenwriting courses, but I presume post-police report there would be some more confirming detail.

    The smidge of doubt you reasonably have is probably just another huge frustration for you.

    Hang in there, Mike.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  81. It is frustrating, Dustin, because I keep asking about it and no will tell me what independent confirmation has been used to determine that Lee’s caller is not someone posing as the real Jennifer George (M); except for a “who would do that” instead of something like “her professor said she had a mole that looks like Texas on one side of her nose, and so did the detective”.

    That’s exaggerating what would be necessary, I’d settle for “she physically appeared at the station, signed the report, left complete identifying information and address.”

    Something like that.

    SarahW (af7312)

  82. Also you sound annoyed with me.

    SarahW (af7312)

  83. The evasion of the question means to me that the independent confirmation has not taken place.

    (Confirmation that real-life Jennifer George of MA
    and not some poser/griefer using that ID, has been speaking to Lee.)

    SarahW (af7312)

  84. Also you sound annoyed with me.

    Comment by SarahW — 6/28/2011 @ 5:51 am

    I’m not. Not in the slightest, and I mean that with 100% sincerity.

    I think the well has been poisoned a bit, and I just ask you to please trust me on this.

    I think your reasoning on this has been crystal clear and fair. It hasn’t always been nice, when you’ve been asked to try to pretend John Reid is who he claims to be, and while I tried a nicer approach, I appreciated that someone was taking a more heartfelt path.

    Seriously, I can’t think of a thing you’ve said I have a problem with.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  85. Hi
    I have been lurking this story since the beginning this is my first post.
    Fascinating and scary. Sorry Goatsred take care.
    I think Jenny broke character the night before as JReid that’s why I think it was very useful of Patterico to let her talk, same way police let you have the floor and some rope.
    A man does not talk like that in that overly exaggerated hushed “Thank you for being civil” manner. Well some do like my ex BF but they are the type of men as Rush would say are “New Castrati”and a New Castrati would NEVER be capable of a rant like the one he had with JPreston (?) GN. My ex’s face quivered because I used CAPS in a text once and cried because I used too many paper towels. (Really)
    The way JReid talked last night is how I sometimes talk to my 4 year old. A woman who is over 30 and quite possibly a mother wrote those responses for sure. Lee is probably right the whole thing sounds just like an experimental living screenplay, but the night before clinched it for me.
    Boston Moonbat for 1,000$ Alex

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  86. A man does not talk like that in that overly exaggerated hushed “Thank you for being civil” manner.

    I don’t know what exactly that sounded like, but I think you’re right it was clearly extremely artificial and unrealistic.

    Anyway, he breached his promise to video last night. He didn’t call. I don’t know if it’s this Boston moonbat, but that’s the best explanation I know of.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  87. 78 SarahW

    I just reviewed some history and don’t think JGMA deliberately pointed Lee to the innocent JGCA.

    Lee and others were already looking at CA before the teary JGMA call to Lee, which mentioned UCLA Prof as potential verifier of ID. The timing of the JGMA call to Lee after Lee blindly contacted JGCA is a coincidence. UCLA is a coincidence that Lee, and other others, took at one time as a form of confirmation that the caller was the same woman he was looking into and had sent emails & fb requests to.

    If UCLA Prof & Mrs Prof are truthful, then JGMA really has studied with him.

    Common name + big school = coincidence. Call timing, also coincidence.

    koam (62b38e)

  88. (by blindly I meant he emailed her a couple of times out of the blue (to her)…he gave his full name and phone) perhaps that’s the wrong word?

    koam (62b38e)

  89. 86. Blackburnsghost

    Welcome, I think.

    I share some of those observations. Though I think there are many men who are capable of the calm, corporate JR9 tone on Patterico. Any guy who has even worked in customer service for a large organization with training would have that down pat. I don’t think JR9 at Patterico seems female, just liberal, educated, perhaps elite (big Weiner fans, for example).

    As for the age, I believe Lee asserts that JGMA is in her early 20s.

    The JR9 twitter rant against Preston & GC is more indicative, to me, of potentially feminine wording to the accusations.

    A novelty aside. Gender Analyzer finds JR9 twitter rant to be written by a woman (63% “confidence”).

    koam (62b38e)

  90. I have not asked you guys to “pretend.”

    Patterico (135ea8)

  91. Well just my thoughts…for what they are worth. True some men could with customer service training sound like that. I just, I don’t know it just sounds like a woman. It’s how I talk to my daughter when I’m trying to be diplomatic or thanking her for listening to directions. Hey I woke up at 4 AM for no reason and it just came to me haha.
    Also yes I forgot Lee did say 20’s again 4AM sleuthing.
    I hope you didn’t think I was suggesting I thought you asked anyone to pretend I just didn’t understand why Lee would complain that you let him/her on.
    You guys are all very interesting none more so than Lee’s cat :) Meow

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  92. 92 Blackburnsghost

    Other than corporate PR or customer relations…

    Some men are elementary schoolteachers. Perhaps in schools where most teachers are women and maybe the administrators and performance evaluators are largely women.

    Some men have wives that teach them to talk to the kids that way.

    Some men may talk like calm, focused mommy one day and have hissy fits like teen girls when they’re hoppin’ mad.

    koam (62b38e)

  93. I have not asked you guys to “pretend.”

    Comment by Patterico — 6/28/2011 @ 7:24 am

    Sorry. My mistake. You haven’t suggested they aren’t who they say they are, or otherwise.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  94. Remember the missing name on the alphabetized list included in Patterico’s shout-out a couple of days ago?

    The Boston connection reveals that Patterico, Lee,
    and others are a few days ahead of the rest of us.
    That is when the threats really started happening.

    What I don’t share with Lee is that this is a done deal. The authorities are involved now,
    and there is more than one individual involved in the story.

    I gotta tell you, I’m on the edge of my seat for the day the motivations are revealed.

    Mike, keep yourself well. You seem like a strong person, but I imagine it is still tough. Hang in there. I’m rooting for ya, and it’s looking like tthe worst is nearing the end..

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  95. I had proposed, theoretically, one room where disbelief is suspended to discuss the implications of data presented in documents, for the sake of argument. I also said it would never happen.

    http://patterico.com/2011/06/26/johnreid9-would-like-to-answer-more-questions/#comment-812208

    Kind of like if we were having a detailed discussion the twisted plot intricacies of “Pulp Fiction” (to name something Lee recently cited), who was lying to who?, who knew what when?, what are the motivations?, who made a mistake? what was coincidence?, etc. (“Miller’s Crossing” would be a great one for that), and we had people arguing “it’s just a movie. Bruce Willis is just an actor. They can do whatever they want, nothing has to make sense. Tarantino’s nutty. It’s not real.” All are correct assertions, but they don’t help you to figure out the plot.

    koam (62b38e)

  96. 95. cap’n john’s nephew

    exciting post.

    koam (62b38e)

  97. At #66 — I meant CA JG has -NO- connection to the story.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  98. Dustin,

    I am not sure why you want to continue to talk about this in public. But, okay.

    You wrote…

    “That’s what I actually said. I said I have no evidence showing the call happened aside from Lee’s promise it did.”

    This is simply false.

    There is evidence of the phone call, as I pointed out — several times — in the thread where you said that you didn’t believe Jenny called me. I told over — several times — what you could do to verify it. I suggested you contact Jennifer Preston from the New York Times.

    In fact, this is EXACTLY why I told Jenny George to call Jen Preston; so there would be someone else on the record as talking to JG in case anyone doubted the call for any reason whatsoever.

    So, Dustin — stop saying the only option was a recording or ‘take my word’.

    Anyone looking at that thread will see that I tell you over and over to contact Jennifer Preston. I also predicted that you wouldn’t do so — because you weren’t being honest. You wanted to insult me and you did so in a fundamentally dishonest way. Fact-checking wouldn’t have helped you call me a liar, over and over and over for days.

    Now you’re here and you aren’t being honest, again. Do I need to cut and paste all the times I suggested you call Preston to confirm?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  99. Koam,
    haha Yes! Daily Kos thy name is hissy fit. The first time I ever read that site was when this started.Yikes
    Anyway last thing about this. It was just my experience with this guy that he was so emasculated that there was no way he could ever have a rant or even have a disagreement. Every time we disagreed I got a Jeopardy smile.
    That’s it!

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  100. Sarah,

    Let me know if this answers you question.

    Detective Thornton phoned me. I had to phone him back to give him Jeinnfer Preston’s phone number. I called back and the phone was answered by someone else, who connected me to Detective Thornton. Subsequently, I gave that number to Patterico, who phoned him and left a message for the detective. I have also Googled the phone number and it came up several places including the Boston PD’s website as a number for the Domestic Violence unit of Area 4, which serves the Back Bay, South End and Fenway sections of Boston.

    The Detective told me that he had gone to Jenny Georg’s apartment to interview her. (She had gone into a station to file her intial complaint.) He alo has spoken via phone to the wife of Lew Hunter, who is the screenwriting instructor that Jenny George had told Jennifer Preston she had studied with.

    Preston had spoken to Lew Hunter and his wife on the phone previously and so had I. It’s easy to find the Hunter’s phone number; but since this issue is now a police matter, I’d hope that nobody phones them just to satisfy their own curiosity.

    Again — I’m 100% sure that this Jenny George is the woman who contacted me on the phone. And I’m also sure that she’s the woman who started the Starchild111 account.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  101. A man does not talk like that in that overly exaggerated hushed “Thank you for being civil” manner..they are the type of men as Rush would say are “New Castrati”and a New Castrati would NEVER be capable of a rant like the one he had with JPreston (?) GN. ..The way JReid talked last night is how I sometimes talk to my 4 year old.

    JR was so sweet he set my teeth on edge. Not that it is pertinent but JR’s Stepford Husband act is irritating. My first reaction was that JR’s screenwriting and acting abilities were something on the level that you’d find in a “performs to acceptable standards” in some high school student’s portfolio submission to college.

    I think JR’s effort to rant was in reaction to various criticisms over his/her excessive politeness. She/he Beats the chest to prove JR is a man. JR didn’t spit on the floor yet, but stay tuned.

    Some men may talk like calm, focused mommy one day and have hissy fits like teen girls when they’re hoppin’ mad.
    Comment by koam — 6/28/2011 @ 7:51am

    Well, yeah so do women :D. I certainly have my Robin Williams moments. This is just a gut reaction and I don’t have Patterico’s fancy equipment or Lee’s training on how to track tweets down. But I do think JR is a women. I also think there is a possibility that JR is translating threats on this blog and at Lee’s place to track her identity as a “threat” to her person. If JR identity is prove, they certain will be facing the threat of jail. If JR is working with GC, then the discussions regarding whether GC had been threatened by Weiner could have been another trigger to Jenny’s infamous police report.

    137.@bmertz
All of the threats that people are receiving allegedly strike me as odd because I haven’t encountered anything like that at all (which I’m grateful for).
And no, I’m not worried (as of now) that I need to protect myself from anyone. Perhaps I should be though

    I’m just throwing out some thoughts and I am not reaching conclusions.

    Mike,
    Hang in there and let them hang themselves. The smell of blood is in the air, and it is not yours guy. Even the occasional commenters( like me) are trying to watch your back. The puppet master failed at one of their primary objectives: to isolate you. You are not all alone in this fight.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  102. ——————–

    EVERYONE: no one is sorrier than I am that this is now a public disagreement. I apologize, but I need to response to Lee. Skip this comment if you are not interested. I again am very sorry this is public.

    Mike, hang in there. A major reason I have tried to keep my differences with Lee private are that my complaints, while important to me, are so much less important than how you’ve been treated.

    There is evidence of the phone call, as I pointed out — several times — in the thread where you said that you didn’t believe Jenny called me. I told over — several times — what you could do to verify it. I suggested you contact Jennifer Preston from the New York Times.

    This isn’t the actual disagreement we are having, Lee. This is the pretend disagreement you are using in place of my actual complaints. It is a red herring.

    I said several days ago I could not believe you alone about this call when explaining the actual disagreement we have: that you crossed the line by lying about Razor. I accept that these calls almost certainly occurred. I have never said I knew they didn’t.

    Lee, you said this:

    You said — publicly — that I was never actually called by Jenny
    George.
    You accused me lof lying about it. This would have been an
    extensive, detailed lie that related DIRECTLY to the story I’ve been
    covering for a month, You said that I lied about it and that nobody
    should believe anything I said as a writer or blogger.

    No, Lee, I never said I have knowledge that you didn’t get the call. I have offered a $100 reward if anyone can show I said I knew they didn’t happen, rather than saying I don’t believe you, doubt you, request evidence, etc.

    No, I’m not being dishonest if I say I am not sure about the veracity of any of a million details of this story. That is not what a lie is. A lie would be if I said “I know this call didn’t happen” when I didn’t know any such thing. When someone sincerely doesn’t trust you, and you’re telling the truth, that doesn’t make them a liar.

    And the fact I changed my opinion doesn’t mean much either. I am not an expert on this. My point was that you need to maintain your credibility. I did not hide this. You told me to ‘put up or shut up’ or you would ‘escalate’, and I said “ok” and then explained specifically what I was talking about, linking it.

    The reason I said you were lying was not in reference to these phone calls, Lee. And you know this. I’ve explained it to you probably thirty times now over the last 24 hours. I was talking about when you told Cristoph that you lied about Razor because you didn’t think it was of consequence and you needed to rule him out as Patriotusa76.

    It frustrated me that your zeal you get this PatriotUSA76 was ruining your credibility. I make no secret of this argument. I used the phone call issue as an example. I said I couldn’t take your word for it. I admit, I was pretty obnoxious. Sorry for that. You are extremely frustrating to have a disagreement with.

    You have consistently refused to answer this point directly, refusing to talk about anything but your assertion I said you did not get this call. I can say you lied because of Razor, and also because of things you are saying about me. But I took it to you directly, in email, several times, trying to explain my case, and you simply ignored everything I said, obnoxiously complaining about my not believing you got these calls, and then actually lying, claiming I said I knew you fabricated them, which is a ridiculous exaggeration.

    I emailed you in private to ask why you said, on your radio show, that you had secret about me that would undermine my criticisms of you. These criticisms which you are referencing now. I have confronted you directly in private and you have had nothing to say but that I jeopardized your career and should never try to hurt anyone they way I hurt you.

    Obviously, you’re really upset and feel like I’m trying to get you. That’s not true at all. I feel like you’re trying to get me. You had no answer for my challenge to back up what you said on the radio program. If it’s what’s you’re saying here, it’s just a circular argument. Your secret that shows I was ‘lying’ is that I am lying.

    But that wasn’t the secret, and we both know it. I anonymously tipped you in June 21 in response to your request for John Reid’s tweets. He had just come out of his shell, and was still very mysterious. I knew that everyone mistrusted everyone, so instead copying and pasting, I saved my webpage and emailed it to you despite it showing my twitter handle. All I said in the email was that I request anonymity. I have shown you this email, and I’ve shown someone else you cc:ed on our disagreement in private, and you do not dispute its accuracy. You also do not dispute that you outed me. You also do not dispute that I told you why I was deleting this twitter account, and that you presented this twitter account’s deletion without my explanation or the fact that you knew it was me (and I can prove I told you who I was).

    That plus the way you treated razor and have claimed I am out of line to criticize you in your own terms is my beef with you.

    And Lee I reiterate what I told you four times in private. I am sorry we are not getting along. I do not want to fight with you, and I do not want to distract from the important or interesting aspects of this story. No one cares about my complaints against you. I understand, to some extent, why you’re so obsessed with catching PatriotUSA76 that you’ve lost your way a few times, and I just wanted you to acknowledge in private that you were out of line to do so.

    I promised that if you apologized I would drop this. Instead, you’re blasting me for lying. I have tried to let it slide and I am incapable.

    But let’s leave it at this: I do not claim that you didn’t get any phone calls. I expressed skepticism about it, but I don’t have that skepticism. I’ve told you this privately and publicly and I have no idea what more you want. I don’t see how it justifies your conduct. I asked you to apologize privately and said we could just say it was resolved, and apparently that is never going to happen.

    So, Dustin — stop saying the only option was a recording or ‘take my word’.

    Listen, I don’t like gatekeepers, especially ones who attempt to commit character assassination against me. I don’t know why you are 100 percent sure of your claims. That doesn’t mean I’m a liar.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  103. And yeah, I know, the typos. Sorry about that.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  104. Stack is a thug and a scam artist. Methinks LE should be looking at Stack and not the phony-baloney e-mail, which looks like a fabrication to generate sympathy for the oily goatsred.

    Mark Nash (1c71e4)

  105. Stack is a thug and a scam artist. Methinks LE should be looking at Stack and not the phony-baloney e-mail, which looks like a fabrication to generate sympathy for the oily goatsred.

    Comment by Mark Nash — 6/28/2011 @ 10:25 am

    No, Stack is a nice guy who tried to help, and got totally screwed. Sure, he isn’t perfect. I’m not either. But the authorities are looking into who sent these threats, and they are going catch that person.

    And that asshole is probably the reason Lee and I have any tension at all. I know, this sounds smarmy, but I mean it. He wouldn’t be this hell bent on finding the person behind PatriotUSA76 if just a few of these actions hadn’t been taken.

    And I really mean it when I say I understand and don’t want to make a federal case out of our differences.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  106. This Nash person eats boogerz.

    JD (531017)

  107. Mike,
    Hang in there and let them hang themselves. The smell of blood is in the air, and it is not yours guy. Even the occasional commenters( like me) are trying to watch your back. The puppet master failed at one of their primary objectives: to isolate you. You are not all alone in this fight.

    Comment by bmertz — 6/28/2011 @ 9:32 am

    Thanks bud.
    You guys have shown a lot of support and trust for someone that you do not even know. When it’s all over and done, and the tears are falling from those who perpetuated this fraud,these threats and smears against me. I will still be on the outside, enjoying my freedom, while a few will be hoping their loved ones put money into their commissary accounts in order to pay protection money to the biggest guy/girl on the cellblock.
    Or just to enjoy a small freedom like a bag of potato chips once in awhile.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  108. 106.Stack is a thug and a scam artist. Methinks LE should be looking at Stack and not the phony-baloney e-mail, which looks like a fabrication to generate sympathy for the oily goatsred.

    Comment by Mark Nash — 6/28/2011 @ 10:25 am

    I don’t use these pages for a pissing contest “Mark Nash” …People knew my real name before and after this whole thing.So what’s yours? LE can look at me all they want. Oh.wait. Is this another “distraction ” from you guys because people are getting closer to exposing you thugs? I thought “The Janitor” was supposed to scare us all into submission?
    This sounds a lot like Neal R., again. He was convinced that I “hacked” WEINER’s account and sent the pic. So much so that he sent, and published on KOS, a screenshot of the email, to the FBI. And “Mark”, you’re the only person thus far to comment on it,saying that it looks like a fabrication. I guess your IP can tell us a lot. But if you’re Neal, you have ways around this, because he has ” White servers”, which he so proudly tells people that have blocked him. He told me “dude, you should just unblock me, I can read everything you write anyway, I have White Servers”
    So, we have a hacker here. Methinks that the FBI should hear about you Neal.
    And some of your playmates might be astonished to hear about the games, the skeletons in your closet. PICTURE that, Neal.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  109. “I knew that everyone mistrusted everyone”Comment by Dustin — 6/28/2011 @ 10:21 am

    It doesn’t take brain surgery to pick up on that dynamic.

    “the very real fact that there was and continues to be an organized, well financed PR machine utilized by the left on line/social media that uses sock-puppets, troll bait etc… to disseminate false information, cast doubt on true information, muddy the waters and engage in the ‘politics of personal destruction’”Comment by coondawg68 — 6/28/2011 @ 5:01 am

    And that therein, seems to be the problem. Many of us may have to drop our nom de plume’s and form a chain of people who actually know each other. If you share my type of work environment that choice would be risky if you were outed to your peers. Believe or not there are people that would actually try to push you out if they knew you were supporting Patterico’s hunt for the sockpuppeteer. Get labeled as a enemy of progressivism and you are a walking target. So I have felt I needed to retain my online privacy. I’ve seen fights like this current one result in people’s real names being thrown out into the net. Also, once I sent a tip to a famous political blog, and they post my real name without asking my permission. They apologized for the mistake, but I have learned caution. I think only one person [ If that is really them-who knows? ] knows me here if they have been paying attention. ( I have done everything but tap a morse code on the computer keys to them.[cough]. It would help if they would post an email address on their blog. )

    But I digress from the point: If we don’t network in some way that assures the other person that we are “the party to whom I am speaking” in the future, this dynamic will be continue to create a climate of mistrust. Especially when you are a blog newbie. I am thinking it over the pros and cons about it all, because I don’t know what to do.

    y/w, Mike

    bmertz (d77c52)

  110. I got a question here if anyone is still around to answer it:

    The Hushmail sent to Mike Stack is titled, “We should talk,” it then goes on to say, “You draw far too much attention to yourself, Mr. Stack…” It that the extent of the threat, or is there more that has not been reveled?

    lamchops (a91fe8)

  111. Bmetrz
    Exactly I felt way suspicious and weird about starting posting only yesterday and getting new Twitter account with my new “handle” truth is I have never posted on a comments section of a blog before even though I am an avid reader of many.
    Sigh I also still can’t figure out Twitter I have no followers L
    Anyway I would have been canned from my last job if I came out the proverbial “closet” for sure. I work for myself now but still…
    So you’ll be seeing blackburnsghost around the blogosphere if you ever really need to know who I am I can set your mind at ease.
    Ignore me because I’m boring, goofy or way off the mark but not because you think I’m not honest

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  112. Oh ps
    Not that you were directing that at me I’m nobody in this story. Just a bit of ‘splaining

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  113. Seems to me Lee’s frustrations are understandable and fairly predictable, given the circumstances.

    Here are the facts, which remind me, somewhat, of some of our annoyance with the MSM and Weiner. Anyway, what we know about JG:

    1. We ‘know’ that JG from MA began and, at one point, owned/controlled the Nikki/Starchild account from Lee’s phone convo with her wherein she acknowledged this fact. He says that JP can confirm this. Has JP confirmed this? Personally, I haven’t bothered to check all her tweets/comments, etc. Lee is good enough for me on this b/c why would he make it up that fact? That would be quite the risk for him to do so, but for what payoff? Unless he is the true culprit, in which case….uh, OMG. Nope, that’s not the case. I just can’t think of a reasonable motivation for him to invent that convo or the relevant facts that JG told him in the convo. And why would JG MA file the police report if they weren’t behind the account? We know she did b/c we have both Lee and Patterico to confirm this. Her filing the false (I’m assuming no one threatened her) police report is at least somewhat indicative that, as Lee says, they had a phone call and she was involved with the Nikki account at some point.

    2. So, we know that she controlled the Nikki/Starchild account at some point. And does she, still? Well, this is where it reminds me of the Weiner frustration. Some of us were annoyed by the MSM who wanted evidence Weiner was NOT hacked, who wanted proof of a negative, rather than assuming the most logical conclusion (he sent it) absent evidence to the contrary. All who followed the Weiner story learned about deleted vs abandoned accounts. W know know that, unless she deleted the Twitter account, which she told Lee she did not do, then she is almost certainly still b/h it. Either she still controls it or she voluntarily turned the account over to someone else and withheld that info from Lee. But, until and unless there is evidence to the contrary, it is reasonable to assume that she still controls Nikki. And since she is not a teen….well, you get the idea to finish the rest of the logical conclusion about her family, Marianela, etc.

    Now, is understandable that Lee would be annoyed? Sure. Here, the SuckPuppeteer takes questions to “JR,” as their con game is continually indulged. Nobody is confronting JG. In the mean time, people are still getting threats. In the mean time, is the the SuckPuppeteer suffering under the stress? Devolving deeper into mental illness? Having a good time at our expense? Wasting more of all our time? Keeping these blogger boys off their game? Distracting all of us from other, more important, matters? Entertaining us via this SuckPuppet obsession? Dunno. Regardless, I can see how any potential combo of these and other possibilities would be frustrating to the guy who ‘solved it.’

    All we need is some “real” journo org with more resources and personnel than Lee (say from the NYT, perhaps?) to expend just a little time & resources for just a little background/legwork to back up what Lee has ‘solved.’ But, thus far, crickets. Now THAT is annoying to us all, is it not?

    I’m not saying there isn’t an argument or potential purpose for asking JR questions and indulging them a little longer. But that does not change why doing so is frustrating for Lee, and even some of us who are playing along by asking the questions.

    Lizbuddie (133456)

  114. Not that you were directing that at me I’m nobody in this story. Just a bit of ‘splaining
    Comment by Blackburnsghost — 6/28/2011 @ 4:41 pm

    Thanks I could not remember your name. You weren’t one of the usual suspects so it wasn’t familiar. Well, I was thinking it was something like blackbeard.. but I wasn’t sure.

    The more I “listen” to johnreid, the more I get the sense of someone disconnected with reality. That’s why I agree with your comment that you were perceiving a parental attitude towards commenters. I might even speculate that this individual believes they have godlike abilities. I’m not qualified to go further in that direction. But, the sooner this unbalanced person is in a serious treatment program, the safer everyone will be. I take lunatics seriously, even if they don’t look capable of posing a threat. Am I hearing the theme of Play Misty For Me in the background ?

    I found myself insulted that Reid expected me to take his/her bad scriptwriting seriously. But more than that reaction, – I can’t explain this well- but I had that creepy movie sense; when something unpleasant is standing on the other side of the door, and you don’t want to let it inside. Does that make any sense?

    Thanks for understanding about the working environment issue. I’m not on twitter yet. Apparently I have missed 99 percent of this story by not listening in every hour of the day. How does anyone get anything else done if they are always tweeting, blogging, commenting, as well as doing their actual jobs and spending time with family/friends in real time? Well for some of these guys, this hunt is part of their actual job. I’m waiting for the future net-connect implants to make it all work.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  115. I’m watching “Picnic”, with Bill Holden and Kim Novak and the late Nick Adams. What a film, what a score, they don’t make em like they used to..

    The Tamandua (4de175)


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