An Important Message to Weinergate Bloggers/Journalists, Part 1
Did you write this?
That I will do, including fighting any legal action to compel me to divulge my source. There is a foundation that would support me in that cause. . . .
We are ultimately, the sum of our actions. If you’ve done something for which you feel guilty, the best course is confession and amends, at least that’s my personal experience. As presented, that is what this would represent within a reasonable form. So, it’s up to you. It certainly has been an interesting exchange. If you’d like to go forward, please let me know. I will live up to my end of the bargain, such as it is. Thank you.
If you recognize this as your writing, you need to write me ASAP at patterico AT gmail DOT com.
It is not the only quote of yours I have.
Wasn’t me.
But I might add, with all the “John Reid Is Taking Your Questions” comments having disappeared, things are curiouser and curiouser.
lamchopsl (a91fe8) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:35 pmI guess I am out of the loop here.
Simon Jester (588514) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:37 pmlamchopsl,
No idea what you’re talking about.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:40 pmYou’re scaring me, Patterico.
I hope & pray this was just some stupid sockpuppetry drama conjured up by teenagers, and not something more sinister. Well it can’t be that – because there are some sophisticated folks behind some of the shenanigans.
But none of it makes sense – or it does if you add “crazy” to the mix. And that’s not good.
Miranda (4104db) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:41 pmIt’s like I wrote to you privately, Patterico. I think that there is a lot more to this. This is a relatively minor pervefest from this Weiner character. But the rest of it may be lead to some genuine bad places.
But as I wrote, most of us (well, me) are out of the loop.
Simon Jester (588514) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:43 pmTommy Christopher? Obviously he’s the guy who both has the most support from JR9, but also has gone the farthest to help protect them.
If so, I kinda feel bad for the guy, if he’s been exploited by his own principles.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:45 pmTo quote Willie Wonka:
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:45 pmThis whole thing is making me feel like a moron. I need to sign up for classes.
ThoroughlyConfused (786412) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:52 pmSometimes I feel so out of the loop that I wish I had just kept my mouth shut over this and watched from the sidelines.
What’s scary about this? Everyone is acting as though it’s dramatic, but it sounds to me like a promise to keep a source’s anonymity no matter what, meant to reassure a frightened source.
Is it the ‘if you’d like to go forward’ point?
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:52 pmOK, I’m confused.
Patterico doesn’t know who wrote that?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:56 pmI think he does but the person refuses to respond to regular attempts to communicate.
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 4:58 pm3. Patterico
My mistake. The comments are in the earlier topic: What Questions Would You Ask JohnReid9?
And are linked from the previous topic: John Reid Is Taking Your Questions
The two of which I mistakenly conflated.
lamchops (a91fe8) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:00 pmWhat don’t you get about this situation, Dustin? Threatening messages to at least Patterico & Ace? Not to mention Ginger Lee. Hysterical phone call to Lee. Plus some other info I’ve figured out that I’m not going to disclose here.
Miranda (4104db) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:01 pmOk, valid point.
My guess was that was a kook unrelated to these other people, but that’s just a guess.
Oh, well that’s probably what I don’t get about this situation, then.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:05 pmso you are thinking this is more Alicia_Pain?
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:06 pmAnyway, I still don’t see what about this message would be scary. I can certainly appreciate why someone would find the general situation scary, but I think some implication of this ‘I will fight not to divulge a source’ must be flying over my head.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:06 pm13 Miranda
Can you DM me on twitter @wittier?
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:07 pmSo I’m trying to read this more careful to understand why it’s scaring Miranda, or what Koam might have to say in private about it (if anything), and I guess this is the part they are concerned about?
Something “as presented” would “represent” “something for which to feel guilty”?
And a journalist wrote this? I take it the juicy part was clipped out to give a journalist time to talk to Patterico about it.
And is it normal for journalists to talk to their sources about bargains? As in information in exchange for… it sounds like some kind of secrecy, but anon tips are such a conventional aspect of journalism that I’m unclear why it would need repeated mentioning.
Anyone feel free to hit me with the cluebat.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:13 pmMan, I’d love to know the date associated with the quote Patterico just posted.
elissa (f29705) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:15 pmI do not have endless patience.
Patterico (9f5668) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:16 pmI just think it’s because the whole tone of Pattericos post is rather dramatic.
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:17 pmI’m a lurker by nature, but this is tantalizing. It makes me speculate on who would need a ‘foundation’ to help maintain journalistic protection of sources.
anne (a345b4) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:21 pmOkay. We need to start pooling money and buy the first person who speaks a new Chevy.
ThoroughlyConfused (786412) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:22 pmMaybe if we do, he/she feel better about giving us details. Otherwise, I will need to go find a car that is willing to run over me.
Koam, I don’t have a twitter account, although I confess I’ve been lurking quite a bit & reading the convo’s.
Patterico has my email address (I contacted him previously) – I sent him a msg asking him to forward my email msg on to you. I don’t particularly want to put my address here.
Patterico, would you mind very much forwarding my msg on to Koam – I assume you’ve got his address?
Thank you.
Miranda (4104db) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:24 pmMy personal view is that it wouldn’t be unless there was a good reason.
And BTW, I am not trying to suggest Miranda is being unreasonable. I’m sincerely wondering what I’m missing, which she explained was something she didn’t feel like sharing with us (hopefully for a good reason, and I don’t assume otherwise).
Anyway, you appear to be in the same boat I am Rocks. We’ll have to have patience.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:25 pmLike Patterico, I do not have endless patience.
Unlike Patterico, there’s nothing I can do about it!
Pious Agnostic (6048a8) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:26 pmThere ain’t enough clue-bats on the planet to beat an understanding of this stuff into my empty head. But I’m following with interest.
Old Coot (bcdbb5) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:28 pmIf it was a real journalist, source protection would be a given. Ergo, not a real journalist.
Legal action could include getting a court order to force an ISP to reveal the identity of an account or location of a computer. Suggests that something like the threat Patterico received could be used to find the identity of the threat maker.
lamchops (a91fe8) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:29 pmYeah, the drama is pumping out in waves every few hours now.
Let’s try to dissect.
1) The statement is believed to have been written by a journo/blogger related to Weinerschvantzpicteengate.
2) Patterico is receiving docs from JohnReid9.
3) Patterico calls it important.
4) The quote says in a nutshell: “come clean” and “I will fight to protect my source til the end”
Above are the facts.
Now for the conjecture. See how I like to separate the two?
Perhaps:
1) JohnReid9 shared documents with Patrick which contained this language.
2) It was written by a journo/blogger on the Weiner Beat to JohnReid9
3) It is saying “I’m not gonna rat you out. But I think you should just come clean”
4) Patterico knows who JR says wrote it.
5) Patrick is testing JR’s credulity by offering up this partial quote …something written by a known person (according to JR9)…
6) That blogger can write to Pat and claim the quote and confirm it by providing another part of the same document.
7) That would prove that the doc was written by the blogger that JR claimed it was written by.
8) It’s Tommy but let’s pretend we don’t know that and we can keep this supenseful.
9) It’s more fun to do it this way than to just call Tommy.
and then…. what?
Feel free to rip this to shreds.
koam / @witter
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:32 pmPreview from Part 2:
Yes, I have the rest. She may be telling you I don’t. But I do.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:33 pmkoam,
I’m with you on all points. A confirmation here serves to both confirm “John Reid” and also the “journalist”.
Pious Agnostic (6048a8) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:35 pmShe?
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:37 pmGaaawwwww! I hate not knowing what I don’t know.
Susie Q (653074) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:37 pm30. Patterico.
Nice touch.
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:37 pm@koam / @witter
Just ALittleConfused (786412) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:37 pmThank you!
Pat, is John Reid still anwering questions, or am I now on the wrong thread?
∅ (e7577d) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:37 pm“Patience is a virtue”
My new sockpuppet PatienceUSA76
goatsred (b20383) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:39 pmCome on Unknown Journalist! I have to get up early in the morning!
Pious Agnostic (6048a8) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:39 pmIs this communication about Gennette? Is that the “she”?
Susie Q (653074) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:40 pmyou shouldnt, people dont realize how far you’ve gone to be even handed in this whole matter and how seriously wrong the behavior of AW and its excusal by the media – was
when we start condoning this kind of behavior with minors by anyone – much less an highly ranked elected official – and the attacks and reprisals…..
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:41 pm“Once I received the information, this email trail would be deleted and,”
Kind of sounds like the words Marianela used to tell me what would happen to the “files” on Weenie after I DL’ed them.
goatsred (b20383) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:41 pmWhy would a seasoned journalist need to include a line that states “There is a foundation that would support me in that cause”?
cap'n john's nephew (d29614) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:43 pmoh man. Patterico are we allowed to speculate here or is that going to mess you up?
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:46 pmKoam, I email’d Patterico – he’s got my info.
You know what I really hate about this drama? That Patterico, and so many of you – commenters & bloggers & Twitterers – have done so much work … but the great Journalist with a capital J, Jen Preston, can just sit back & read others’ people work, slap together a sloppy rehash, publish at the NYT, and she gets the fame & glory. And a nice big fat salary.
Such is life.
Miranda (4104db) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:47 pmI think you’re wrong on the this.
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:48 pmYeah, that’s pretty lame. But I think over time this kind of difference in value has reduced the NYT’s relevance. Not the salaries as far as I know, but the relevance. A lot of people find the NYT and their sibling newspapers pretty useless if you want to be informed. I guess we all know that.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:50 pm45 Rocks
Great! What’s the real story?
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:52 pmInteresting…
RB (3a32bf) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:52 pmI don’t believe I’ve ever asked you about any of this before, so forgive me if you’ve been asked until you’re sick of it, but, did that strike you as odd/hinky/a trap?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:55 pmCheck DM. I don’t want to speculate here.
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:55 pmLet’s remember that Tommy has already gone to great lengths to defend this source.
And Tommy’s something in between a blogger and a Journo as he works for a web site that comments on journalism and media, right? The style of one of his pieces is somewhere in between a blogger style and a reporter / NYT style. Hence the title of this item.
What of the “she?” John is a “she” (doubt that Patterico’s going there already) or Patrica’s back in the game cause it was she who had the relationship with Tommy? That’s my guess.
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:56 pm50. Rocks
Is that why my Android just vibrated? I’ll check. Thanks.
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 5:58 pmYour guess seems valid to me.
The ‘she’ is referring to who has these emails, rather than the journalist, after all. I guess it’s John/Nikki.
Why is everyone speculating in private, though? Makes it really hard for me to jump online for a few minutes and catch up.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:01 pm44. miranda
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:01 pmthanks. email is better than twitter anyway!
But I think over time this kind of difference in value has reduced the NYT’s relevance. Not the salaries as far as I know, but the relevance
Indirectly, the NYT’s decreasing relevance does hurt the reporters. As people look elsewhere, the advertisers notice and revenue flees. And less revenue means fewer NYT reporter jobs. The Grey Lady is not a must-read, and hasn’t been for several years now. That has to sting.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (f943d0) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:02 pm53. Dustin.
Why private? Fear of Alicia Pain, no doubt.
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:03 pmJust a reminder from Ms. Pain, the nom de plume of the author of the threat letter sent to Patterico:
http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4373871141
Not very subtle, is she?
Miranda (4104db) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:07 pmI don’t want to spook anything Patterico has going on.
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:07 pmThat second “hint” seemed to be either a threat to hide info, or a promise to hide info. Either way, I suspect there is someone that really does not want their name attached to these.
JD (318f81) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:09 pmSurely they will find out who is behind those emails. I seem to recall the FBI being able to get proxy services to reveal the real IP of the guy who hacked Palin’s yahoo.
Anyway, it’s a huge shame people are afraid of even speaking about this story. Alicia seems to have gotten some mileage out of her threats. I guess this is all banal, but it pisses me off.
The thing is, I think they have decided to embrace their new fate. There will be a small audience that wants an elitist newspaper, will pay extra for the paywall crap, the hard copy, etc. You’re right… they aren’t a must read like the WSJ is. And sure, that probably hurts their feelings, but the Jen Preston model of the NYT is here to stay.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:10 pmMy eyes are bleeding now. What is Bebo? It looks exactly like Myspace.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:11 pmI don’t want to spook anything Patterico has going on.
Laudable, but I think that if Patterico wanted to he could shut down comments if he felt they were interfering with his investigation.
The rest of us lunk-heads would love to eavesdrop on you geniuses at work.
Pious Agnostic (6048a8) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:12 pmIs anyone actually afraid of Alicia Pain? Or is that satire, which flew over my head and is now making obscene mocking gestures at me?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:12 pmJohn Reid is back … on the other thread …
Miranda (4104db) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:12 pmShe (?) sounds like an idiot, sure. Sounds scared as soon as Ace or Patterico responded, sure.
But they were mental enough to send the threats, which suggests they are infuriated. And stupid mental people scare me to some extent.
Pathetic, but a little worrisome. I don’t think Miranda was being sarcastic, anyway.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:14 pmWho would have ‘…done something for which they might feel guilty’ and for whom ‘the best course is confession and amends’? Gennette Cordova? Tommy Christopher? Anybody else?
How about The Weinermeister himself? Was AW threatening someone like Tommy Christopher who may have not had full journalist source protection? And the first quote Patterico posted was written in response to AW’s threat? Was AW trying to intimidate some blogger/journalist to get him to divulge one of his sources?
lamchops (a91fe8) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:16 pmlamchops, that is a very compelling theory. It completely changes the snippet around in my head.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:19 pm44. Miranda
I kinda like Jen Preston. Spunky and good-natured snark. Nice writing. She looks fun.
Not that I’m a huge fan of everything she does…read on.
I don’t know that she sits back and just lets others do the work.
The trouble with her is what Pat pointed out. She mixes up the facts with the beliefs and publishes the beliefs as the news. At least in that one piece last Friday.
Up top she indicated that she knew that fake girls were collecting info to use against Weiner. The implication is that the girls were on the side of the conservatives online who were monitoring Weiner in opposition to him.
That is the main gist of the headline and first 2 paragraphs…and that’s the news that the other media picked up on. “Two fake girl socks created by conservative bad guys were out to snag Weiner.”
The other thing she did that comes to mind is in the Gennette Cordova paragraph where Jen Preston discusses that Nikki hadn’t mentioned Weiner to her online buddy Gennette. But then Nikki started asking a lot of questions about Weiner.
Preston does not report what we ONLY learned here because Gennette was here confirming the DMs that we got from JohnReid9. And Gennette confirmed that it was Gennette who got tired of waiting and just having girl talk with Nikki…so Gennette, not Nikki brought up the topic of RAW. Shocker. Not what we learned by reading the NY Times.
So either Gennette didn’t show those DMs to Preston and lied to her. Or Preston didn’t digest that key fact because she was so convinced (AS WE ALL WERE DUE TO PRESTON’s REPORTING) that Nikki was the Weiner-obsessed stalker and she hounded Gennette for info on the man.
So at least two major misdirections by Preston in that article that are there because they fit her prejudices and are not solely based on the facts she knew.
Regarding the first error, Patterico called her out on it in a piece and Preston admitted that is NOT possible to “say with certitude” (to quote our Cape and Tights sh!t hero) that the motivations of the allegedly fake teens was anti-Weiner as opposed to pro-Weiner.
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:20 pmUgggggh. Does anyone know who this Patricia is?
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:21 pmIsn’t Patricia Mrs. Reid? Nikki’s mother? John’s wife?
Pious Agnostic (6048a8) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:27 pmNice summary, Koam.
I also don’t like her snarky comments on Twitter. Plus, where has she been? Is she doing anything on this story? Why didn’t she do a clarification of her article, where the clear inference was that conservatives were out to get Weiner?
In her defense, I don’t know how much of a “real” reporter she is – her job description is staff writer – her focus is technology & social media. Not investigative journalism.
Miranda (4104db) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:28 pmSock puppet family – or real victims of … something:
Patricia Reid/Betty’s Mom
Nikki Reid/Betty
John Reid/Betty’s Dad
Marianela Alicea/Veronica
No parental involvement
Miranda (4104db) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:31 pmI’ve never seen her name mentioned anywhere.
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:31 pm60. Dustin
I was entirely joking about Alicia Pain. I’m sorry I thought that it came across as snark from me. It was.
Very, very, very amusingly, related to that link to Alica Pain on Bebo….Patterico and I were in a debate today on Twitter with @Robryn (extreme liberal journo and expert on Weinergate) about all these theories and @Robryn bashing our intelligence and Pat’s ethics for printing these docs because @Robryn thinks they only exist to attack liberals (I think if Reids were socks, that they only existed to try to royally embarrass Breitbart and end his career)…so @Robryn throws out this incredible flame that Patterico is guilty of accusing that real musical artist Alicia Pain of creating the death threats because someone had given Pat a link to Alicia Pain’s page full of red stuff. We didn’t understand at first…that this guy actually thought that Pat was naming Alicia Pain as a suspect in death threats to Pat, Ace, and maybe Ginger Lee. It was clear to just about everyone that obviously the stupid lame threat girl was borrowing the name of Alicia Pain as some kind of cultural reference. Well it took a while for this to sink in…but @Robryn eventually got it.
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:32 pmI don’t believe I’ve ever asked you about any of this before, so forgive me if you’ve been asked until you’re sick of it, but, did that strike you as odd/hinky/a trap?
Never tired of talking about it. When I was told about the info -out of nowhere- I just figured he was covering his a** due to it being his friend who gave him the tip.
goatsred (b20383) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:33 pmIn hindsight, of course I feel like it was a trap, but then I must have had “easy mark” plastered all over me.
I suck at interpreting this stuff. It’s completely my mistake, I am sure.
Anyway, I think the threats are probably nothing, but you just never know. Hopefully Alicia Pain will be identified by Ace’s hacker pals or whoever, and we can all joke about this individual with a lot less worry about them.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:36 pmexpert on Weinergate
In light of Robryn’s inability to distinguish Alicia Pain from the Alicia Pain, expert on Weinergate might be in question.
Dana (4eca6e) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:36 pmbtw, I agree that if John is fake, he’s not fake in order to harm the left. I think that theory is preposterous.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:37 pmI would still like to know here that came from. there is no name attached to the statements Tommy put out.
if that is the case then the she Patterico refers to is not her. Why would she be going against her husband?
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:37 pm==expert on Weinergate==
Yeah, I can totally see people listing that on their curriculum vitae.
elissa (f29705) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:39 pm77. Dana
No this guy @Robryn assured us that he has read every tweet, every article, every comment on every blog about Weiner. He is confident that he knows more about it than (his words) everyone in the world except John Reid and Jen Preston.
And he called Patterico and I fools and other names several times. He apologized at the end for his “assholiness” (his word)
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:41 pm63. Dianna
I’m sorry I was totally joking about fear or Alicia Pain.
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:42 pmThe Grey Lady is not a must-read, and hasn’t been for several decades now.
FTFY, Brother Bradley.
JBS (1b86f1) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:44 pmRocks, come to think of it I can’t recall when I first heard the name “Patricia Reid”.
Miranda (4104db) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:47 pm73 Rocks
Patricia Reid is Nikki’s mommy. Her name has been used plenty of times but it’s the least well-known of the Reids.
Patricia Reid … on Patterico
koam (7c1f46) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:49 pmThe only person using the name Patricia in that thread is you. Do you just start calling her that? There are no names attached to the parents statements. The John name comes from the JohnReid9 handle.
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:55 pmSorry, that’s wrong others use the name in that thread after you. Where does this name come from?
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:57 pmJBS, appreciate the fixing, but I’d say the NYT and other MSM outlets got its knock on the media elite door in the late 90s with Matt Drudge and Monica Lewinsky. With the popularity of blogs beginning in the early aughts, the unwashed rabble broke down the door and barged into the room.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (f943d0) — 6/25/2011 @ 6:58 pmProbably in that thread koam points out. he and 2 others use it there but that’s the first I’ve ever seen it. She was called The Mother of Betty/Nikki’s Mom prior to that.
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 7:01 pmIt sounds like TC trying to finagle a statement out of MAsock after he confronted the [Reidsocks] with information inconsistent with their first allegations.
That’s a total guess.
SarahW (af7312) — 6/25/2011 @ 7:04 pmIf that was unfair to speculate about delete at will.
SarahW (af7312) — 6/25/2011 @ 7:05 pmWell, clearly you weren’t an easy mark, since you didn’t fall for it!
Thank you for the answer, have a good evening.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 7:06 pmAlright. Preston calls her Patricia Reid in her article. That must be where it comes from.
Rocks (5241c6) — 6/25/2011 @ 7:09 pmDon’t worry about it – I’m one of those people who misses satire. I have to ask. It’s embarrassing, but I’ve discovered that it’s better to look a little silly than take it seriously.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 7:10 pm______________________________________
And less revenue means fewer NYT reporter jobs.
I recall reading that their profit margin sometimes would dip to a very modest level years ago, even before the arrival of the age of the Internet. Some of that shaky P&L must have been because they spent a lot to staff their operation. But even with that being adjusted accordingly, the plummeting advertising throughout portions of the traditional MSM has to be adding a lot of creakiness to the financial underpinnings of newspapers.
When I pick up the hard copy of the LA Times, I’m often astounded at just how little advertising lineage is in it. It makes me wonder if such publications really do need to now become like a non-profit, charitable organization.
This is one part of the backdrop to stories like Weinergate, Obama and his leftism, and, for that matter, (and speaking of the Drudgereport.com) a report today of another case of flash-mob looting striking one more store in the supposedly better part of Obama’s adopted hometown, Chicago.
America: the world’s newest Banana Republic!
BTW, I understand Genette Cordova is interested in a career in journalism. Perfect choice! Good timing!
Mark (411533) — 6/25/2011 @ 7:42 pmGenette C., supposedly, is appearing on the “John Reid answers questions” thread.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 7:56 pmFoaming at the mouth random hatred directed towards random people — people almost nobody has heard of… Huh?
Wesson (914281) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:02 pmfyi, a google search doesn’t turn up anything, except references to this blog.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=655&q=%22That+I+will+do%2C+including+fighting+any+legal+action+to+compel+me+to+divulge+my+source%22&oq=%22That+I+will+do%2C+including+fighting+any+legal+action+to+compel+me+to+divulge+my+source%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=undefined&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1331l2997l0l3l3l0l2l0l0l47l47l1l1
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:07 pmready for part 2 when you are Mr. P
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:08 pmHorrible linky above
JD (318f81) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:11 pmGenetteC says every single DM from last night is fake. Or so I read her remarks.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:11 pmA mystery! I think you guys are having way to much fun. 🙂
Jeff (481f2a) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:16 pmIn other strange news: http;//althouseblogspot.com/an-alternate-account-of prosser-bradley.html
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:17 pmI live for fun!
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:20 pm#103 – I ended up on a wikipedia instruction page.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:22 pmIt’s about a Soros sliming of Prosser, that went sideways,
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:28 pm@96 Dianna
I don’t think that is the “real” Genette C.
Looks like a different sig to me that has been on here a few other times to deflect things.
teebo (fc922b) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:29 pmIan @ #106 – I found the story! Yikes!
People that old, with that kind of responsibility, engaging in fisticuffs?
Good heavens!
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:35 pmteebo, I’m reading, and I’m watching. I am not a techie, and I don’t know what to make of the “signature”; I simply report what’s showing up.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:38 pmDianna,
And I appreciate that you are reporting such. Didn’t mean anything else by that.
teebo (fc922b) — 6/25/2011 @ 8:42 pm#110 teebo – Cool. No worries.
It would help if I weren’t on pain meds, but still in pain. I’m reading through a rather odd filter.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 9:10 pmGennette just posted in the “John Reid Disappeared” thread, I’ll copy her replies below along with what she answered:
How many college students will walk into a room of older, hostile adults and allow them to interrogate her for hours? It is obvious that many commenters as well as Patterico have legal training or work in fields with related skills. She is outgunned in both experienc and training. Gennette may be ambitious and naive, but her voluntary presence strikes me as unusual for someone in her age group. Unless, she is not visiting here alone and unadvised
Comment by bmertz — 6/25/2011 @ 9:05 am
Gennette – @bmertz #16 I’ll take that as a compliment
• All of her encounters with weinertweeter were not inappropriate, especially that one that shocked her, and the one where a comely college coed got a married congressman’s private cell number and began texting him.
Note she continues to ignore all requests and questions about the content of the communications post weinertweet, and what they were discussing prior to the weinertweet. We should just all believe that despite all evidence to the contrary, weinertweeter was a perfect gentleman only with GennetteC, and never engaged in sexuaLly charger communications, despite having done so with at least 6 other similarly situated women contemporaneously. She was special, to the point where despite not having much of a relationship, GennetteC was able to convince a sitting congresscritter by leading him around by his weenis to mess with a tweeter who claimed to be a high school girl and seemed determined to talked about Rep Weinertweeter which was easily ascertained by the fact that she never brought up Rep Weinertweeter and gosh he just sent me a picture of his wenis out of the blue.
Comment by JD — 6/25/2011 @ 10:24 am
Gennette – And #32 I was commenting on his handling of the Ethels story. She’s not fake.
Kaisersoze (c86eb0) — 6/25/2011 @ 9:13 pmDid someone reply to Genette re”: Ethel, “no, duh”?
We know perfectly well that “Ethel” is not a fake. And her response is late. Very, very late.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 9:27 pmMore of the a-little-too-clever misdirection.
I’ve been fascinated by this because I think there is a real possibility of criminal behavior by Weiner and/or his staff.
Now I’m starting to wonder if its just a bunch of social media madness by two twentysomething girls and Patrick is determined to prove that they made fools of the New York Times.
Kaisersoze (c86eb0) — 6/25/2011 @ 9:29 pm#114 Kaisersoze –
I like it!
The wonders of deflation of everyone’s sense of importance! Yay!
I have no clue. But it’s interesting.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 9:33 pmI’ve done a lot of testing and I think I can categorically say that the appearance of Part 2 is wholly uncorrelated with the number of times I refresh.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/25/2011 @ 9:53 pmhappyfeet, I’ve got 2 paterico tabs open at this point – so I’m doubling up on your refreshes.
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 9:55 pmNow I’m starting to wonder if its just a bunch of social media madness by two twentysomething girls and Patrick is determined to prove that they made fools of the New York Times.
Wouldn’t this just be brilliant on several levels!
Dana (4eca6e) — 6/25/2011 @ 10:00 pmMy various distractions have only allowed me a passing following of this melodrama. Can someone direct me to a good overview of all the players and time-line, etc?
RCJParry (11d750) — 6/25/2011 @ 10:07 pmWaiting for the other shoe…
Tutu (54ce64) — 6/25/2011 @ 10:23 pmHave we a new thread? Please?
Dianna (f12db5) — 6/25/2011 @ 10:38 pmNew post. Pat’s talking to Lee.
Susie Q (653074) — 6/25/2011 @ 11:00 pmHas anyone (better up to speed on this than I) contemplated if this good be GC’s words? She is an aspiring (“real” of course) journo.
Is there a summary, by any chance, of what DMs she acknowledged vs didn’t acknowledge? Curious, but not enough to go through all the comments. (No offense. Just lazy.)
Also, really wish one of you Puppextperts would do a summary of what JohnReid has had to say in response to your questions since Patterico keeps pulling that lame “I have a job” bit.
Lizbuddie (133456) — 6/26/2011 @ 11:27 amMan, there’s more drama in the Weinergate backstory than on the average High School cheerleading squad.
Ernst Blofeld (f90f0a) — 6/27/2011 @ 1:10 am