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6/23/2011

Weiner Document Dump, Part 2: Including Alleged DMs from Weiner to Nikki

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:59 pm



I waited all night for JohnReid9 to provide some publishable context for some of this. But I never heard from him. So, we’ll just let the documents speak for themselves.

Documents like this:

and this:

And this:

And many more. Keep reading.

First, some developments since last night. Gennette Cordova has already verified parts of last night’s document dump. To take one example (there are others), she confirmed that these DMs were written by her:

Her claim is that she was participating in a type of surveillance of Nikki on behalf of Weiner:

And yes, I did. It was a week and a half in, I knew why this person was engaging me but they hadn’t brought him up yet.
So I got the ball rolling.
Now, I’ve given that information to someone else already so it’s not exclusive but there you go:)

In other words, she says she told Nikki these things, but had not really said those things to Weiner.

I express no opinion on the truth of that claim, just as I express no opinion on the authenticity of JohnReid9 or his documents. I will speak of “Reid” and “Nikki” in this post as if they are real people because it is easier to tell the story that way, but that does not mean I am giving an opinion. As I have said, whether JohnReid9 is a concerned father or an Internet hoaxster is for the reader to decide. You are already aware that he has provided fake IDs to Tommy Christopher and that the Nikki Reid and Marianela Alicea accounts had fake pictures attached to them. But you also know that Gennette Cordova has authenticated aspects of the material he has sent out. And he may offer his story yet. So stay tuned.

What you are about to see is text cut and pasted from DMs forwarded to me by Reid. I took some screenshots of some of the more interesting ones and will be including them at the end. Because these are e-mail notifications of DMs from other people, you are getting only one side of the conversation. In some cases the nature of the other side will be clear; in other cases it will not.

I tried to place them in chronological order and edit out Ethel’s name. Otherwise, you’re seeing what I received.

I am asking Gennette Cordova by e-mail to confirm or deny the authenticity of the DMs purporting to be from her. [UPDATE 12:26 a.m.: In a comment, she has largely confirmed the communications that came from her, and has failed to object to any as inauthentic.]

Whether JohnReid9 is Concerned Father or Internet Prankster, this is news. And it’s breaking here.

Here we go.

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:51:46 +0000
From: [Twitter Postmaster]
Subject: [Ethel] is now following you on Twitter!

[Ethel] (@[Ethel]) is now following your tweets (@starchild111) on Twitter.

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sickening.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 6:51 PM.

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People seriously think it doesn’t matter. Like it affects your life everyday. I cannot believe those guys sit around and try to make people
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 6:54 PM.

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feel bad. yet they’re sayin repweiner is the criminal….
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 6:54 PM.

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they’re so sick. like are you that bored with your life that you’re grown men staring at a computer screen all night….. idiots.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 6:57 PM.

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Yeah I’m trying not to. I tried to be as politically correct as possible and not call them “fucking assholes” or anything. Just to make them
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:03 PM.

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When I asked for the followback he just said , “done. anything else i could do for you?” and it was so cool because when i visited the house
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:07 PM.

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gallery, he was there speaking. so i followed him on twitter and I LOVE HIS TWEETS. like they all say exactly what i am thinking.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:07 PM.

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My history teacher emailed Chris Coons (my senator) and asked for tickets. It was great. Except the senate wasn’t in session so i like cried
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:10 PM.

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and he asked John Carney (my rep) for house tickets!
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:10 PM.

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Best day of my life.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:14 PM.

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Uhm…………….. that’s quite a hike. Totally worth it.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:16 PM.

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I def recommend it!
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:25 PM.

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Ty!
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 9:30 PM.

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Remember Ethel’s public tweets around this time:

Ethel: @RepWeiner I’m in love with you
13 Apr

Ethel: Watchin @RepWeiner on cnn <3 13 Apr Ethel: Seriously talking to Representative Weiner from New York right now! Like is my life real? 13 Apr patriotusa76: "@repweiner talking to high-school girls now. Freak." Ethel: @sclancy cause representative weiner followed me back today and some sickos are trying to make a thing of it. 04/13/2011 Ethel: Seriously depressed that @RepWeiner doesn't follow me anymore. Yesterday was a great day! 15 Apr

Which seem to show Weiner unfollowed her due to the efforts of the crew led by Dan Wolfe. Ethel’s reaction is reflected in these DMs to Nikki:

I’m so sad :(
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 14, 11:15 PM.

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Probably publicity reasons which I understand but still :(
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 14, 11:19 PM.

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I told everyone at school! Sorry to ruin it :(
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 14, 11:21 PM.

About a month later, Gennette DMs to Nikki:

And I’m glad I could make you smile! You’re so sweet.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 4:38 PM.

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That sounds so cool! You’re awesome for thinking to invite me:) hopefully I can make it, that would be amazing.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 4:43 PM.

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Yeah my sister used to act like that with me. Lol. I totally get it!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:03 PM.

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Okay, well I’m in college and my friends STILL do that to me! It’s crazy how unconcerned they are.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:17 PM.

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They’ll talk about the Bachelor for hours but when I bring up politics they have nothing to say. I think it’s sad.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:18 PM.

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but boys, politics or anything else you want to talk about, I’m here to listen.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:22 PM.

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It’s hard when no one around you cares about the things that you care about:(
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:22 PM.

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That’s a good idea, connecting with people who have similar views as you, especially for you because you live in such a conservative area!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:33 PM.

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I go to school in Bellingham. The next town over gave Glenn Beck the key to the city. The teaparty us huge up here, so I know how you feel.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:35 PM.

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Wow. I’m so sorry:( People can be so extreme sometimes. It’s ridiculous.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:43 PM.

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Hello! I thought I’d check up and see how you were doing. I hope all is well with you:)
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 12, 3:43 PM.

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I agree 100%. It’s so closed minded.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:53 PM.

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Ahhh! I wish! There’s nowhere to surf around here its so lame. I tried in Hawaii once, I was awful. Lol.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 6:04 PM.

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Hey girl:) I did!! Hope you did too!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 10:31 PM.

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Lol! I’ll watch the shows with her if she gives me a surfing lesson. That’s a fair trade… sort of. Haha.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 11:15 PM.

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Lol!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 11:19 PM.

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Lol. Im so jealous that you live in Cali. Even though you’re around a bunch of conservatives all the time. Haha.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 11:57 PM.

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Sunshine surfing and hot boys. Sounds wonderful. Lol.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 11:57 PM.

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I wish! Somewhere on the beach would be great. But I think I’m moving to DC after school. Which places are you considering?
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:07 AM.

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Oh yeah, NYU would be great. I’ve also heavily considered New York. I want to do political journalism. Have you picked an area of study?
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:14 AM.

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I started out doing international relations. It was great! You’ll love either one.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:34 AM.

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I did AP Eng in highschool, I was always into English. But I didn’t want to major in Lit because I didn’t know what I’d do with that degree.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:40 AM.

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Then I got more and more into politics and journalism seemed like a perfect fit.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:40 AM.

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Oh my god! Lol. I love him. There aren’t too many politicians that I LOVE but he’s one of them. For sure.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:45 AM.

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I agree!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:50 AM.

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It will be hard. It’ll be different for you though. I moved across the state for college and it was great. You meet a lot of great people.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:59 AM.

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I’m sure you’d have no problem making friends.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:59 AM.

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I feel the same way. It’ll be a culture shock leaving the westcoast. I love it here.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:05 AM.

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That’s true. But DC is the epicenter of the political world. Then again LA would be so much more exciting and glamorous.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:14 AM.

I can’t vouch for this because I have only half of the conversation, but it looks like Gennette is the one who brings up Weiner:

Lol! That’s funny. Hey did you say one of your friends was [Ethel]?
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:18 AM.

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Sorry. That was totally random but I just saw that this politician just started following her today and he follows me. Small world.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:19 AM.

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Yeah! It is. I love him. Just ask. Maybe he will, who knows? Haha. I think I’m gonna hit the sack. I have an early class. Lame:(
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:24 AM.

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Oh, I just looked. He’s doing this hashtag thing and following people I guess? Idk. I never asked him to follow me.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:25 AM.

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Night:)
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:28 AM.

Notice that these are being sent on May 16, just after midnight — and Gennette says she noticed Weiner started following Ethel “today” — which would have to be May 15. Now remember Ethel’s public tweets from that time:

Ethel: @RepWeiner you used to follow me don’t forget me!!! #weineryes
13 May

Ethel: SERIOUSLY LOVING LIFE AGAIN BUT I GOTTA KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT OR ELSE……….
15 May

. . . .

Ethel: I love today. I really do.
17 May

Ethel: I’m in love with married men, #thatswhyimsingle
17 May

Interesting, isn’t it?

Here is where things get interesting — when Weiner starts messaging Nikki:

Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:18:39 +0000
From: [Twitter postmaster]
Subject: Anthony Weiner is now following you on Twitter!

Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) is now following your tweets (@starchild111) on Twitter.

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you’re welcome! have a good day at class.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:03 AM.

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do you follow me? (its only fair)
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:07 AM.

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Ah. Ok. well that is why I wanted to follow more – to get new followers.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:15 AM.

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I’m flattered. Thanks for the follow
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:21 AM.

I’m not sure what prompted the following, but remember that Nikki wanted to take him to prom:

Sounds like fun! I’m a bit old for high school.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:28 AM.

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Ill think about it. You should focus on your finals.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:38 AM.

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You pretty popular at school?
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:39 AM.

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well lets say you and me change that. See if you can get all your friends to follow me here and on fb.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:47 AM.

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a hs girl that has a crush on me and doesnt follow me or know im on fb. some crush.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:51 AM.

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you should start a twitter campaign to get me to go to the prom with you. im trying to get to 50k followers. so ill try anything.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:04 AM.

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if you give me some good reasons and the country rallies around a good young progressive like you, sure.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:08 AM.

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start by urging everyone on your twitter to follow me. and tell the world why you are a progressive and not a republican troll
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:09 AM.

Gennette approves:

Ahhh! He followed you! Lol. Cool. When I said maybe he’d follow you I didn’t think he’d do it overnight. Hope that made your day a little.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:11 AM.

And Weiner is back:

im gonna see if you do what we agreed. you post on twitter yet?
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:12 AM.

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come up with a clever hashtag so people can join in!
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:19 AM.

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we want to spread the word about our progressive ideals and to make fun of all the trolls who may be watching very very closely
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:21 AM.

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i find it very amusing. i love fucking with them.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:26 AM.

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ok, next frontier is your fb page.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:29 AM.

Remember the public tweets I already published from Nikki from this time:

starchild111: Tweeps my progressive idol @RepWeiner is following me! Today is the best day ever!
May 16 from Twitter

starchild111: Today also marks day one of my campaign to get @RepWeiner to be my prom date. Will you be my prom date @RepWeiner?
May 16 from Twitter

starchild111: Everyone please please follow @RepWeiner and tell him to be my prom date!
May 16 from Twitter

starchild111: Tweeps please tweet and follow @RepWeiner and tell him to be my prom date and use#RepWeinerBeNikkisDate
May 16 from Twitter

starchild111: Follow the best progressive Congressman @RepWeiner he is a democrat who fights for us & against Republican trolls! #RepWeinerBeNikkisDate
May 16 from Twitter

And Dan Wolfe and his crew saw and tried to intercede:

patriotusa76: RT starchild111: Please tweet and follow @RepWeiner & tell him to be my prom date>>Poor girl. We should warn her. @goatsred @tamale102280

And then Gennette asks:

OMG. Prom?
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:45 AM.

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Lol! I retweeted it. Make sure to tell your ex a congressman is following you on Twitter! Haha.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:50 AM.

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:)
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:54 AM.

Back to Weiner (no idea what prompted this):

oh i feel terrible. you did? ok ill go back and look. my bad! forgive me?
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 2:03 PM.

great! im soooo excited.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 2:08 PM.

And Ethel follows again:

Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:10:42 +0000
From: [Twitter Postmaster]
Subject: [Ethel] is now following you on Twitter!

[Ethel] (@[Ethel]) is now following your tweets (@starchild111) on Twitter.

That’s all I have at this point. We’ll see if I get more.

Meanwhile, here are some of the more interesting screenshots from the e-mails I received:

In light of what we know about him, I find these creepy. If we wrote them.

Anyone want to ask him?

241 Responses to “Weiner Document Dump, Part 2: Including Alleged DMs from Weiner to Nikki”

  1. What can you tell us about these, GennetteC?

    Are they all genuine?

    Any made up?

    Lay it on us!

    Patterico (135ea8)

  2. we want to spread the word about our progressive ideals and to make fun of all the trolls who may be watching very very closely

    who talks like that? nobody except maybe him

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  3. I skimmed. But that sounds about right. I remembered it was about the 15th or the 16th when began bringing him up because she hadn’t yet.
    About 4 days before that I told AW that she was fake… but I’m pretty sure this person was selective about the DMs they gave you.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  4. sorry, before I read through I thought this bit ought to be highlighted FOR JEN PRESTON OF THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!!!

    Hey, Jen? Your source called:

    I knew why this person was engaging me but they hadn’t brought him up yet.

    She punked you, girlfriend.

    Doesn’t quite comport with your reporting, does it?

    Topsecretk9 (3ef846)

  5. Time stamps are way off on these – 5 hours later. From New York or DC, that’s London time. From the West Coast, that’s the middle of the ocean, or maybe something in South America. Yesterday’s were 1 hour earlier.

    cinyc (cfc8fa)

  6. Wow. I wonder if anything in Anthiny Weiner’s life isn’t about Anthony Weiner?

    I have to agree with Gennette here though. Reading all this I would instantly suspect Nikki of being a sock. /sarc off

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  7. Some insight that I’d like to offer is that AW went into this (communicating with Nikki) knowing for a fact that she was fake.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  8. AW-san is wise in the way of the sock

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  9. Some insight that I’d like to offer is that AW went into this (communicating with Nikki) knowing for a fact that she was fake.

    How did he “know” that?

    Sean (ff2f3b)

  10. Another random tidbit… Nikki had no friends on Twitter and a picture of stars on a black background as her profile picture.
    One night I questioned her about not having a Facebook and none of her friends being on Twitter… the next day her picture (the one with the dog) appeared AS WELL AS the Marianela account.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  11. Gennette was the Marianela account created that day?

    Sean (ff2f3b)

  12. @Sean
    From what I recall, yes. It was brand new.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  13. “Yesterday’s were 1 hour earlier.”

    When does “Summer Time” start in London? Where was Weiner’s wife during this time?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  14. “I love fucking with them”

    Weiner knows he is talking to a troll and is being ironic.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  15. Nikki sighed deeply and held tighter to the stuffed rat Aunt Elizabeth had left her. Nikki had no friends on Twitter and a picture of stars on a black background as her profile picture. And a large stuffed rat. It wasn’t enough, she thought.

    That would change tomorrow, Nikki vowed.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  16. Some insight that I’d like to offer is that AW went into this (communicating with Nikki) knowing for a fact that she was fake.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/24/2011 @ 12:13 am

    But there’s a problem. All of these are from May 16th or earlier. Mostly May 16th. That is also the day you sent Nikki the made up DMs about flirting with AW. All of this was 4 days before you told Weiner but all his DMs to Nikki here are on the 16th.

    How did Weiner know she was fake on the 16th? You hadn’t told him. Why didn’t you try to prevent Weiner from following her at all if you were confident enough of how fake she was to send made up flirts with AW to Nikki?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  17. #7 I agree. He knows it’s fake.

    “make fun of all the trolls who may be watching very very closely”

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  18. You know what happyfeet? You jest, but the more I keep thinking about this the more I like the crazy teenager theory.

    @Gennettec – thanks.

    Sean (ff2f3b)

  19. Gennette:

    If the communcations are selective, there is a way to make them more complete.

    And I have offered you that opportunity.

    I now offer it again.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  20. @Patterico
    While I get that you find all of these DMs very interesting, are you using your connection to John Reid to try to figure who he is at all?

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  21. So Rep. Weiner brought up the Prom topic to get more followers on Twitter?

    That’s the way the thread reads to me. So he did not care about Gennette’s concerns but wanted more followers at any cost!

    I think Gennette is leaving out some key details about what happened between May 14-17.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  22. 05/16 also the day that PatriotUSA76 tweeted “Could be some great fun on the agenda today…” and “Well we have a good deed planned.” (Source: Daily Dose)

    Greg (bc8186)

  23. Did you bring up Weiner to Nikki, Gennette? Or did Nikki bring up Weiner to you?

    Here, it looks like you brought up Weiner to Nikki. It’s not certain. But that’s the way it looks.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  24. Another random tidbit… Nikki had no friends on Twitter and a picture of stars on a black background as her profile picture.
    One night I questioned her about not having a Facebook and none of her friends being on Twitter… the next day her picture (the one with the dog) appeared AS WELL AS the Marianela account.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/24/2011

    But internet caches show Nikki using dog pic long before then.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  25. “Some insight that I’d like to offer is that AW went into this (communicating with Nikki) knowing for a fact that she was fake.”

    How do you know that? Unless you were engaged in extensive communicatons with Weiner or had some prior relationship, personal or professional, how could you know what he knew? What exactly is your relationship with Anthony Weiner that allows you to assert his knowledge at that point in time?

    Name Required (e72819)

  26. @Patterico
    I’m sorry. I wish I had all of the DMs then it’d be easy to see why I was sure she was fake, but I don’t have anything.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  27. While I get that you find all of these DMs very interesting, are you using your connection to John Reid to try to figure who he is at all?

    I have asked him to explain some of the questions that people have. I had hoped we could talk about that tonight, but he was incommunicado all night.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  28. @RocksEm, long before when?

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  29. So Rep. Weiner brought up the Prom topic to get more followers on Twitter?

    That’s the way the thread reads to me. So he did not care about Gennette’s concerns but wanted more followers at any cost!

    I think Gennette is leaving out some key details about what happened between May 14-17.

    Joe

    Good point.

    Sean (ff2f3b)

  30. I have one random screen shot of her explaining to me why she started following me. And it was an obvious lie.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  31. Some insight that I’d like to offer is that AW went into this (communicating with Nikki) knowing for a fact that she was fake.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/24/2011 @ 12:13 am

    Also, if he knew, apparently right from his first DM to Nikki, that she was fake AND you are DMIng fake flirts to draw her out at literally the same time do you still maintain there was no coordinated effort between Weiner & yourself?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  32. This all starts to fit with the #weineryes hash tag post that Rep. Weiner made on May 13.

    Thanks so much for following me. Would you like me to follow you? Use #WeinerYes

    source: http://twitter.com/#!/RepWeiner/status/69020628388290560

    It appears that it was all about getting more followers on Twitter to cover for his private habits with a select group of ladies.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  33. @RocksEm, long before when?

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/24/2011 @ 12:32 am

    Long before the switch you described.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  34. To me, the real question is not “Who is JohnReid9?” but “Did Anthony Weiner engage in inappropriate Internet contacts with underaged girls?”

    These DMs add some clarity, for example, to the Ethel issue. I suspected before that her whoop about being happy but having to keep her mouth shut was about Weiner following her again.

    Now, I see that you, Gennette, observed that Weiner had begun to follow Ethel right about that time.

    And you know what? You certainly did seem interested in who he followed. The day Ethel followed him . . . you knew. The person who brought up Weiner, at least as far as I can tell from these DMs . . . was YOU.

    Tell me where I’m wrong.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  35. Gennette, is there any way you can confirm what day you had that conversation with Starchild111 about not having friends?

    Rocksem, the earliest I have seen the Starchild111 girl avatar in use is 05/14/11. Do you have examples of earlier appearances?

    Greg (bc8186)

  36. Everyone thought JohnReid9’s story was going to fall apart as the facts came out.

    But it looks a little like it may be Gennette’s story that is falling apart.

    Again: tell me where I’m wrong.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  37. Can anyone confirm when the Marianela twitter account was created?

    Sean (ff2f3b)

  38. Gennette,

    You don’t have the DMs?

    I thought you had all the DMs. And showed them to Preston.

    Or some of them.

    Or something.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  39. Gennette, is there any way you can confirm what day you had that conversation with Starchild111 about not having friends?

    Rocksem, the earliest I have seen the Starchild111 girl avatar in use is 05/14/11. Do you have examples of earlier appearances?

    Comment by Greg — 6/24/2011 @ 12:36 am

    There is an internet cache using it on 1/1/2011. she may have been going back and forth but she was using both.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  40. @Gennette C

    When, exactly (or best estimate), did you decide that Starchild was ‘fake’ and why? When, exactly (obe), did you share that opinion with RepWeiner? What did he ask you to do with Nikki? What was your objective in speaking to her? Did RepWeiner ask you to speak to her? What did he ask you to say/do in your conversations with her?

    Lizbuddie (133456)

  41. @Greg I’m not sure. My best guess would be the 12th but that’s just I guess.

    @Patterico I never said I had the DMs. Those are lost with my old Twitter. I said I had all of the emails including the ones he left out.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  42. This doesn’t make sense. Maybe I’m mistaken but up until now the story seemed to be that Genette had little contact with Anthony Weiner and the pics were sent to her by mistake. They were meant for some other woman Weiner was following. So how can Gennette assert Weiner knew Nikki was a fake? If she had little previous contact with Winer why would he take any warnings from her about other people being trolls seriously. He could have assumed Gennette was the troll. Yet Gennette seems very comfortable in asserting that Weiner knew. That doesn’t make sense unless the relationship between Gennette and Weiner was much deeper than we know.

    Name Required (e72819)

  43. I thought you had all the DMs. And showed them to Preston.

    !!!

    That’s right. She said she shared everything with Ms Preston. I guess not.

    anyway, I’m not seeing how Weiner could have known for sure this wasn’t a kid. Some are saying they can tell, but I sure can’t just from what I’m seeing here. Why would he just assume some apparent kid was a ‘republican troll’ and talk about going to the prom with them? This makes no sense to me.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  44. @Patterico
    How is my story falling apart?

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  45. I said I had all of the emails including the ones he left out.

    To include DM notifications?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  46. Keep posting every few minutes or so Patterico so we all know you’re still alive and well, OK?

    elissa (1afff9)

  47. Name Required = Captain Obvious

    pirate of the perineum (6d7407)

  48. “The person who brought up Weiner, at least as far as I can tell from these DMs . . . was YOU.”

    Gennette has already admitting a few times in a couple threads here that she brought up Weiner to Niki first as a week and a half had gone by without Nikki bringing him up to her. All while stating that she was waiting (that week and a half) as she knew that was the reason Nikki was following her and the reason for her creating a sock.

    Yeah.

    tier (4a939c)

  49. Either Gennette has a much more involved relationship, professional or other wise, with AW or she has an overinflated estimation of how their relationship worked in reality.

    If Gennette did tell AW about the hoax what was their end game then in engaging in pointless conversations?

    I’d think a narcissist like Weiner would want actual attention from actual people fawning all over him. Like any of the women who were constantly trying to get a hold of him.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  50. PatriotUSA90210 deleted their account… just thought I’d mention.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  51. Will JohnReid9 be supplying any of Starchild111’s outgoing messages? He should have them all, right?

    Greg (bc8186)

  52. If she had little previous contact with Winer why would he take any warnings from her about other people being trolls seriously. He could have assumed Gennette was the troll. Yet Gennette seems very comfortable in asserting that Weiner knew. That doesn’t make sense

    Gennette, I think this guy is making a great point.

    You obviously can’t both be a stranger to Weiner and be his trusted confidant on this matter.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  53. So why didn’t John Reid include any of Nikki’s DMs? Is that the context you were waiting for?

    Would be a lot easier to make sense of these if we had both sides of the conversation.

    John (1a890d)

  54. I think he doesn’t have them. If you get DMs emailed to you, but don’t screenshot your DMs to others, you only preserve the other side of the conversation.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  55. So why didn’t John Reid include any of Nikki’s DMs?

    Twitter sends your received DMs to your email inbox, but not the outgoing ones, so if you have access to the email archive only, this is all you have.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  56. 49.PatriotUSA90210 deleted their account… just thought I’d mention.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/24/2011 @ 12:48 am

    No, he is still on Twitter, why do you bring that up? You however are on what your 4th Twitter id?

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  57. Gennette,

    The flirty AW DMs to Nikki are intertwined with these(all within a 20 minute period):

    OMG. Prom?
    Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:45 AM.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    Lol! I retweeted it. Make sure to tell your ex a congressman is following you on Twitter! Haha.
    Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:50 AM.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    :)
    Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:54 AM.

    This seems extremely odd timing.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  58. Re: 38, the 01/01 internet cache i’ve seen uses the twitter egg. If anyone has a screencap of Starchild111 using girl avatar earlier than 05/14, please post.

    Greg (bc8186)

  59. @John – As Gennette mentioned previously she lost her tweets when she deleted her account, and similarly the tweets associated with the starchild111 account would also have been lost when it was deleted.

    Sean (ff2f3b)

  60. @Joe
    I’m actually not on my fourth account.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  61. rocksem
    The cache page for starchild111 on 1/1/2011 shows generic twitter avatar!

    http://bit.ly/lMRuCE

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  62. @Gennettec

    You pretty popular at school?

    pirate of the perineum (6d7407)

  63. @Patterico
    Do you seriously believe that this person doesn’t have screengrabs of all of their communication?
    It seems like you’re taking this person seriously.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  64. @az5thdstrct – can you run a search through Yahoo cache and see when the MarianelaAlicea account was setup?

    Sean (ff2f3b)

  65. How is my story falling apart?

    Perhaps it’s not. But I have asked several questions in this comment thread — and as the questions occur to me, that was my growing impression. That’s all.

    I ask you to separate the wheat from the chaff in this comment thread. Answer my questions and ignore the trolls. If anyone else has a good, probing question, answer that too. Not just the easy ones.

    I feel like you’re starting to be willing to talk — but I’m seeing a lot of potential problems with what you’re saying.

    Again, tell me where I’m wrong.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  66. Re: 38, the 01/01 internet cache i’ve seen uses the twitter egg. If anyone has a screencap of Starchild111 using girl avatar earlier than 05/14, please post.

    Comment by Greg — 6/24/2011 @ 12:53 am

    You’re right. What the hell was I thinking of?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  67. Patterico And you know what? You certainly did seem interested in who he followed. The day Ethel followed him . . . you knew. The person who brought up Weiner, at least as far as I can tell from these DMs . . . was YOU.

    Hasn’t Gennette already stated she brought up Weiner to Nikki 1st?

    You wrote this in this post:

    Her claim is that she was participating in a type of surveillance of Nikki on behalf of Weiner:

    And yes, I did. It was a week and a half in, I knew why this person was engaging me but they hadn’t brought him up yet.
    So I got the ball rolling.
    Now, I’ve given that information to someone else already so it’s not exclusive but there you go:)

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  68. rocksem
    The cache page for starchild111 on 1/1/2011 shows generic twitter avatar!

    http://bit.ly/lMRuCE

    Comment by az5thdstrct — 6/24/2011 @ 12:57 am

    I know. I must be going brain dead.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  69. @Patterico
    You’re not being clear at all about how my story is falling apart. In what way?
    I think the issue here is that your becoming overly excited about one sided DMs that were given to you by a sockpuppet. What do any of these DMs mean?
    How are you getting closer to figuring out who is behind this?

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  70. I don’t see how any of these DM’s help define the Reid family question. They could still be sock puppets it wouldn’t change the nature of the conversations or what actually happened.

    There is a certain aspect to all of this that I love watching play out.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  71. @RocksEm @Greg

    If I read this right, looks like she was using the star picture at least through May 18: http://topsy.com/twitter/starchild111 .

    AJS (8c6c31)

  72. GennetteC,

    Please don’t ask me to repeat the questions I already asked. They are there in the thread. As I already explained, those questions are what make your story seem suspect to me.

    I could be wrong.

    But I don’t like repeating myself. The questions are there. Scroll up.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  73. How are you getting closer to figuring out who is behind this?

    The question is whether was Weiner talking to a kid like this. Who is behind all this is interesting too, but they may choose to stay anonymous, especially if they are genuine people.

    How did you know this apparent kid was a republican troll trying to get Weiner? How are you sure Weiner knew you well enough to take your word for it?

    I think that’s one aspect where your story isn’t holding together well.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  74. So a simple question for Gennett.

    Why did you mention Ethel to Nikki, you commented earlier that she had no friends / followers on Twitter?

    Lol! That’s funny. Hey did you say one of your friends was [Ethel]?
    Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:18 AM.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    Sorry. That was totally random but I just saw that this politician just started following her today and he follows me. Small world.
    Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:19 AM

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  75. Re: #15, has Gennette stated somewhere else that she told Weiner that Starchild111 was a fake on May 20?

    In her #3 post, she makes it sound like she told him around the 11th or 12th.

    Greg (bc8186)

  76. They could still be sock puppets it wouldn’t change the nature of the conversations or what actually happened.

    Unless Weiner had a good reason to think this girl was a ‘republican troll’, the nature is that he’s being too familiar with an apparent kid, isn’t it?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  77. 69.@RocksEm @Greg

    If I read this right, looks like she was using the star picture at least through May 18: http://topsy.com/twitter/starchild111 .

    Comment by AJS — 6/24/2011 @ 1:08 am

    Actually she use the fake girl with the dog aka Max on a May 14 tweet to Juan as shown about mid way through this thread.

    Dave

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  78. I have proof that we both knew they were fake before he ever engaged her. I gave this proof to a journalist at the NY Times (not Jen Peterson believe it or not).
    So, can we move past the DMs?
    I knew she was fake, he knew she was fake.
    So who was behind it?

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  79. I can imagine JR not having outgoing DM’s for same reason Gennette claims she doesn’t have.

    Nikki deleted her twitter acct.

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  80. I’m sorry, I know no one wants to hear it, but I don’t see anything inconsistent or extraordinary about Gennette’s explanation.

    If you read Weiner’s DM in the context of him knowing the account was fake it fits perfectly.

    The fact that Gennette may have had extensive communication with Weiner, enough that he would trust her warning about Nikki, is of absolutely no significance. To insinuate from that they must have been sexting is reckless and damaging conjecture.

    I suggest everyone dial it back. Hell, if it were me in her shoes I’d show up here just to collect libelous accusations for “future use”.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  81. If you read Weiner’s DM in the context of him knowing the account was fake it fits perfectly.

    There’s where I’m having trouble.

    How in the world did he know that? Who told him that? Gennette, the stranger who didn’t have much of a reputation?

    Can you just go to John Cornyn on twitter and tell him one of his fans is a democrat plant, and with absolutely no behavior to back that up, he believes you and embarks on this mission of screwing with them?

    It doesn’t add up for me.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  82. @ Gennette

    What was your relationship with AW like? What did you expect to happen when he engaged the people you told him were hoaxers? What was the plan if there was one?

    Are you still in contact with AW?

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  83. Hey I think it is great that Gennette is showing up here and playing along. I just wish she had not tried so hard to cover her tracks on May 27 when this story broke.

    There would be so much more data around to support her statements.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  84. So, Gennette, at this point you no longer have any record to document what date your exchange with Starchild111 about her lack of friends took place? Or is it something you could look for?

    Greg (bc8186)

  85. “I have proof that we both knew they were fake before he ever engaged her. I gave this proof to a journalist at the NY Times (not Jen Peterson believe it or not).
    So, can we move past the DMs?
    I knew she was fake, he knew she was fake.”

    But ‘we’ don’t have proof… so why should ‘we’ only discuss what you want us to discuss when you want us to discuss it?

    tier (4a939c)

  86. I have proof that we both knew they were fake before he ever engaged her. I gave this proof to a journalist at the NY Times (not Jen Peterson believe it or not).
    So, can we move past the DMs?
    I knew she was fake, he knew she was fake.
    So who was behind it?

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/24/2011 @ 1:13 am

    But you still maintain there was no collusion between you? Why did you need to tell him she was fake 4 days later then?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  87. How in the world did he know that? Who told him that? Gennette, the stranger who didn’t have much of a reputation?

    Have you seen her picture? Let’s just say her reputation precedes her. Would you ignore a tweet from that cutie?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  88. I have proof that we both knew they were fake before he ever engaged her. I gave this proof to a journalist at the NY Times (not Jen Peterson believe it or not).
    So, can we move past the DMs?

    I don’t know why we should move past the DMs if that’s where Weiner had inappropriate discussions with an apparent minor. I realize you somehow know this person is fake, and sure, it’s not like I can say you’re wrong, but it does feel presumptuous to just shut down all analysis related to what people were saying to this person.

    Anyway, let me ask: when you give proof to the NYT, is there some kind of exclusivity deal? Sincere question. I don’t know how that works. You’re saying you have proof, and you obviously want us to be convinced, but we don’t get to see the proof.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  89. I’m sorry, I know no one wants to hear it, but I don’t see anything inconsistent or extraordinary about Gennette’s explanation.

    If you read Weiner’s DM in the context of him knowing the account was fake it fits perfectly.

    The fact that Gennette may have had extensive communication with Weiner, enough that he would trust her warning about Nikki, is of absolutely no significance. To insinuate from that they must have been sexting is reckless and damaging conjecture.

    I suggest everyone dial it back. Hell, if it were me in her shoes I’d show up here just to collect libelous accusations for “future use”.

    Comment by Molon Labe — 6/24/2011 @ 1:14 am

    Like clockwork here comes the non sequiturs.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  90. Have you seen her picture? Let’s just say her reputation precedes her. Would you ignore a tweet from that cutie?

    Comment by Molon Labe —

    Yes.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  91. I am still stuck on why Rep. Weiner sent the package tweet to Gennette in the first place.

    If they were having a regular discussion about sockpuppets and right wing thugs. I just don’t see where that fits into any aspect of the story.

    So Gennette is real but how did Rep. Weiner know that Ethel was real and why did he follow her given the other fake right wing trolls in the twitter universe???

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  92. @Molon Labe

    So they’re not sexting, but he sends her a picture of his dick, makes a lot of sense…

    pirate of the perineum (6d7407)

  93. Re: 84, Rocksem, where are you getting four days later from?

    Greg (bc8186)

  94. So they’re not sexting, but he sends her a picture of his dick, makes a lot of sense…

    Comment by pirate of the perineum — 6/24/2011 @ 1:21 am

    It’s really none of your business is it?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  95. @ pirate of the perineum

    It makes sense if it was a “joke”… I guess. Gennette didn’t you come out and say you were confused why he called it a joke? You didn’t think it was meant for you?

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  96. To anyone who still doesn’t get why it was obvious that she was fake…
    1) She was in HS but didn’t have a fb or friends on Twitter
    2) She only followed celebrities, some surfing pages and a few girls that Anthony Weiner followed.
    3) She tried to engage the other girls and she claimed she was a “fangirl” but she wasn’t following him on Twitter herself
    4) When I asked her why she started following me she made up a story about how she had happened upon my account by accident…

    And there were a lot of other little things. She spoke how someone older would think a HS girl should sound but her language was off.
    And she said “omg” and “lol” all the time but then she used dashes impeccably (that might not mean anything to you but it was a red flag for me).

    Was it not common sense to assume that she was fake?

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  97. I’m trying to figure out just what the important questions are that Patterico wants answered. One was apparently, “did you bring Weiner up first?” but, as AZ5thdistrict noted, Gennette already admitted that she did in this situation.

    So what exactly is the big important question that seperates the wheat from the chaff? Whether Gennette saved screenshots of all of her DMs?

    AJS (8c6c31)

  98. Define “your business.”

    I just wonder if Weiner ditches his wife, is Gennette gonna be all over that shit? I mean, he is her idea of the perfect man afterall.

    pirate of the perineum (6d7407)

  99. ‘So they’re not sexting, but he sends her a picture of his dick, makes a lot of sense…

    Comment by pirate of the perineum — 6/24/2011 @ 1:21 am

    It’s really none of your business is it?’

    Yes, actually it is. I think we should know if he sends it to anyone who dares to contact him or if he’ll leave us alone if we don’t engage in sexting first.

    tier (4a939c)

  100. Gennette,
    I have a hypothetical for you. By your own admission Nikki seemed friendless. She was using a generic pic and was not on FB. She had a fakeish sounding name. When you pushed her she posted a fake but cool looking pic. Did it ever occur to you that she was using a partial alias and a another girl’s pic because she knew she was not allowed to be using Twitter or Facebook by her parents? That she was the child of very protective parents and so had little social life? Maybe she thought she needed to make up a fake life because she thought her her own wasn’t good enough?

    I’m not saying this happened but did it even occur to you?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  101. @Greg #82
    Im sorry. No:(
    Before the 15th for sure, but I don’t know the exact date.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  102. It’s really none of your business is it?

    Comment by Molon Labe — /blockquote>

    Why not? This is a US Congressman, using his station to attract young women, and then abusing that station to claim he was hacked by right wingers. That tactic has barely changed. Now the ‘only important thing’ is finding out if JohnReid is a right winger out to catch Rep Weiner, or so we are repeatedly told.

    How did he know Nikki was a ‘Republican troll’? I don’t think he did. I don’t think we’re ever going to see this ‘proof’ that Gennette gave the NYT, or if we do, it won’t be proof.

    Gennette’s story is that she was not very familiar with Weiner, and also able to convince him these people were trying to catch him in the act with kids, and his reaction is to stay cussing at the supposed kid? Really? That’s not a story that holds together.

    I don’t understand why your reaction is to warn us we’re going to be sued, or tell us it’s none of our business if the one motive that makes a lot of sense is in fact true.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  103. Re: 84, Rocksem, where are you getting four days later from?

    Comment by Greg — 6/24/2011 @ 1:23 am

    Gennette stated that earlier in this thread.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  104. Seems Nikki may have asked weiner to prom in a DM. But only seeing one side of convo. AW then explicitly suggests starting a twitter prom campaign to get followers.

    Goes towards alleged puppets tactic to get weiner to follow, but weiner was already following. Possiblt minimizes theory that prom was a ruse against weiner, when weiner suggested prom twitter campaign AND allegedly already suspicious Nikki was fake persona.

    Sounds like fun! I’m a bit old for high school.
    Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:28 AM.
    __________________________________________________
    Ill think about it. You should focus on your finals.
    Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:38 AM.
    _________________________________

    you should start a twitter campaign to get me to go to the prom with you. im trying to get to 50k followers. so ill try anything.
    Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:04 AM.

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  105. That she was the child of very protective parents and so had little social life? Maybe she thought she needed to make up a fake life because she thought her her own wasn’t good enough?

    I’m not saying this happened but did it even occur to you?

    Comment by RocksEm

    Maybe this didn’t happen, but it does seem perfectly plausible. Why would someone be talking to Weiner about prom, or talking to Cordova about her love life? Especially if she didn’t even bring up Weiner, the supposed target of her secret mission.

    I’d have been real hesitant to push her at Weiner, while people were warning me that he was a pervert (And he had a high ratio of women in his followed list).

    Dustin (c16eca)

  106. Obvious explanation: He sent the pic to the wrong person.

    How hard would that be? He sent the pic from his phone using tweetdeck.

    Regardless, the high moral perch we “conservatives” have supposedly taken is that it wasn’t the pic itself it was the lying about being hacked.

    Hence it’s none of your effing business what the nature of their relationship was.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  107. Rocksem, here’s what Gennette said in #3: “I remembered it was about the 15th or the 16th when began bringing him up because she hadn’t yet.
    About 4 days before that I told AW that she was fake…”

    I’ve added the bold. So what she was saying is that she told Weiner on the 11th or 12th that Starchild111 was a fake, not on the 20th.

    Thus, her contention that Weiner knew going into his conversation with Starchild111 that she was fake is consistent with what she earlier said.

    Greg (bc8186)

  108. He sent the pic to the wrong person.

    How hard would that be? He sent the pic from his phone using tweetdeck.

    Didn’t he say it was a joke, not sent to the wrong person?

    Regardless, the high moral perch we “conservatives” have supposedly taken is that it wasn’t the pic itself it was the lying about being hacked.

    OK, I get where you’re coming from. However, there is more to the nature of their relationship than just condemning that relationship. If there was something going on there, that’s pretty relevant.

    And actually, I think it makes her interest and behavior easier to understand, and thus believable.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  109. About 4 days before that I told AW that she was fake… but I’m pretty sure this person was selective about the DMs they gave you.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/24/2011 @ 12:11 am

    Greg,
    Forgive me. I misread this.

    Gennette,

    Do you know why AW was engaging with Nikki if you had told him 4 days earlier she was fake? What was the purpose of AW & you engaging with Nikki?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  110. She did ask him to the prom.
    And later I realized that she had told me that she went to The Buckley School (not Hollywood High School).
    And at that time the Buckley School’s prom had already passed.
    So then she made up this long story about how she didn’t mean her school’s prom, she meant a different school’s prom that she gets an invite to because her uncle taught there.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  111. Gennette…Intersting. Did you research Buckly prom to know it passed? And did Nikki mention the “different school” prom or just didn’t offer it?

    She did ask him to the prom.
    And later I realized that she had told me that she went to The Buckley School (not Hollywood High School).
    And at that time the Buckley School’s prom had already passed.

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  112. @RocksEm

    My reason for engaging them was that I was truly interested in what their motives were and I wanted to see how they would attempt to use me.
    As for AW, Im not sure. He definitely wasnt as interested in it as I was, I don’t know if anyone is.
    If I had to guess (which I don’t like doing) I would say he just wanted to f**k with them. Excuse my language.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  113. Didn’t he say it was a joke, not sent to the wrong person?

    How does saying it was sent to wrong person get him anywhere? It only begs the question. He said “joke” trying to diminish the apparent significance. He was lying.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  114. “Obvious explanation: He sent the pic to the wrong person.”

    Not obvious at all especially as he said he sent it to the Seattle woman as part of a joke. Not that he sent it to the wrong lady.

    Why are you so hostile to people here trying to understand and/or talk about this story with each other?

    tier (4a939c)

  115. @az5thdstrct
    Yes, I just looked it up. It wasn’t that difficult to find. She told me the name of the other school, I can’t remember what it is. I’d remember if I heard it.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  116. My reason for engaging them was that I was truly interested in what their motives were and I wanted to see how they would attempt to use me.
    As for AW, Im not sure. He definitely wasnt as interested in it as I was, I don’t know if anyone is.
    If I had to guess (which I don’t like doing) I would say he just wanted to f**k with them. Excuse my language.

    Comment by GennetteC — 6/24/2011 @ 1:43 am

    Did you ever consider Nikki’s motives might be genuine? Did they attempt to use you? They never had anything more than what you had willingly given them.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  117. He was lying.

    Comment by Molon Labe

    Not hard to believe, I admit.

    But this is not sufficient to shut down contrary guesses. It’s not obvious, of course. In fact, what’s obvious is the kind of claim you’re saying Gennette could sue us for saying (which is silly, but I think she’s taken enough rudeness). What’s obvious, however, would be if she and Weiner had an inappropriate relationship.

    Agree with Tier that you come across as hostile to people who are showing good faith.

    I don’t think Gennette is a villian or anything, but I do find the aspects of her story I described as difficult to accept.

    But I’ve always said that whatever the truth is, someone was acting in a bizarre manner. If that bizarreness is leaping to a conclusion that an apparent kid is not one, and then Weiner actually engaging in this way (Which makes him look bad, and does nothing to this supposed ‘troll’) then so be it.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  118. Gennette,

    Do you know if there is an upcoming article (in the NYTimes?) that will use/reveal any of the information you provided?

    scoovy (c1f735)

  119. Isn’t it ironic that he wanted to “f**k with them,” but ended f**king himself up with his own dick pic?

    pirate of the perineum (6d7407)

  120. I didn’t realize it was so late and it doesn’t really seem like people are that interested in figuring out who John Reid is which is the only reason why I’m here answering questions.
    Goodnight.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  121. Gennette, so why were you more interested in the interaction with Nikki vs Ethel who appeared to have a crush on Rep. Weiner and was more of a risk to Rep. Weiner in the public view?

    I still don’t quite understand your role in this whole set of events.

    If you were trying to assist Rep. Weiner fight some right wing twitter pack why not focus on the Ethel aspect as it would have the highest risk to his pubic rep since she really was a high school student that had actually seen Rep. Weiner in DC?

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  122. There is no John Reid, he is just another sockpuppet. Right now we are waiting for him to make contact with Patterico again so we get more of his side of the story.

    Perhaps you can help Patterico draw him out.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  123. I wanted to see how they would attempt to use me.

    Turns out they didn’t attempt to use you, and you and Weiner attempted to use them to … ‘f*ck with them’.

    Let me add, I’m pretty darn sure Gennette’s account is at least largely true. I just think some of it’s not adding up. That could be because she doesn’t want to talk about the kinds of things Molon describes as none of my business (which is understandable) or because someone simply behaved in a way I wouldn’t think likely.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  124. @Joe Smith
    Even though I feel like this question is irrelevant, I’ll attempt to answer.
    I’ve tried to make it clear that this wasn’t about Anthony Weiner. I knew thats why this person had sought me out, but I really just found it extremely interesting.
    I told him about the person and we discussed it, though not “extensively”, like some people keep saying.
    I talked to her before he ever engaged her and I talked to her after.
    I wasn’t talking to her for him or to help him. I was curious and interested.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  125. Gennett, do you have any private emails that you could share with Patterico that might provide some internet header information that might help lead to this next sockpuppet aka Jonh Reid?

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  126. Let me get this straight. The New York Times is interested in a story about how a US Congressman (who tweeted his junk to the world) was actually just trolling on the internet. lol

    And…OMG one of the trolls might have been a Republican! And the source will be someone who was trolling the troll!

    This country is so boned.

    Do other congressman spend their time trolling on the internet? I giggle at the thought of Frank Lautenberg logging into 4chan.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  127. Gennette

    Did Nikki ever offer any info/details on her parents?

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  128. @az5thdstrct

    Uh, they took away her texting. That’s about it.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  129. @az5thdstrct

    Uh, they took away her texting. That’s about it.

    Comment by GennetteC — 6/24/2011 @ 2:05 am

    Gennette,

    Add that to my hypothetical at comment #98. now add this:

    That’s a good idea, connecting with people who have similar views as you, especially for you because you live in such a conservative area!
    Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:33 PM.

    It really never occurred to you she might be genuine? That she might be a liberal(like most teens) struggling to find herself in a very conservative situation? That she might have settled upon you as a very diverse person attending college near one of the liberal capitols of the US, Seattle?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  130. Re #127

    We are only seeing one side of a conversation. We can’t see what Nikki was saying in her own words – only Gennette’s responses.

    If Nikki’s original messages were included, it could provide significantly more insight in this entire issue.

    scoovy (c1f735)

  131. Just one little thing that’s bugging me & it’s probably not important,but…

    Who did the screen grab on Nikki’s acct before she changed her av, and why?

    For those of you who don’t change your av like I do on weekly, sometimes daily basis, you may not know that the av you will see on all the old tweets is your current one, not necessarily the one you were using when you made the tweet. Now it may take a day or so for other apps to pick up the change,but not a week. So if the last date on the topsy page was the 18th and that is close to when she changed her av, anything that should come up after that would have her newest, current av, even on old tweets.

    So there is no way a screen grab done after the 27th should show the old av.

    Old tweets, yes, but not old avs…

    flicka47 (ae99cd)

  132. What exactly are these DMs supposed to prove? The Gennette thought Nikki was real? Even if true, that proves nothing in regard to the “Reids” actual existence.

    Regardless, there are massive holes in the stories of Reid and CO. Holes that they either can’t or won’t explain.

    Joseph (f00357)

  133. patrick, did you meant to put a “more” link in the post?

    your call, obviously.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  134. Weiner is a flaccid creep.

    I thought raising the debt ceiling was bad?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  135. So RAW was Dm’ing on a Monday(5/16)from 9:38 AM until 2:38 PM and not using taxpayer dollars and government resources to do this? (if alleged DM’s are legit)

    goatsred (b20383)

  136. lol, so AW knew nikki was a sock. not sure there’s any other import to this dump than proving that’s the case.

    milowent (0f8248)

  137. Tax breaks for rich leftys-Good

    Tax breaks for oter rich people-bad.

    We get it leftys.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  138. other*

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  139. @94 “Was it not common sense to assume that she was fake?”

    So, the proof that you gave to the NYT was “duh, it’s common sense”

    Tutu (1f44ed)

  140. Not that I didn’t believe her, but Gennette’s assertion that the Buckley School was prior to Nikki’s DM’s with Weiner about going to her prom holds water. The Buckley prom was on 4/27 – and it was pretty easy to find.

    http://bit.ly/jIuzz5

    Now if Gennette could just provide proof that Nikki originally told her she went to Buckley, or any of her other communications with Nikki that aren’t already on the record…

    Morgen (955e25)

  141. Patterico, you are at least partially wrong.

    Genette has earned the grief she gets for being evasive, but if anything the above supports Gennette being suspicious and then believing Nikki was a sock,
    Because I would have, given all that above.

    Weiner is obviously very suspicious of Nikki – and is not directly but indirectly suggesting and testing, having been tipped. Is this not perfectly obvious?

    SarahW (af7312)

  142. There is no NIKKI. Nikki is a constructed persona, whose motives are yet unknown.

    SarahW (af7312)

  143. Hey, Sarah, “constructed persona”, you too must have been in my redundancy class of redundancy class.

    Tutu (1f44ed)

  144. It seems to me when RepWeiner followed someone, it appears to result in them getting extra attention. If RepWeiner knew that Nikki was a fake….and followed her/him/they….that wouldn’t have been a wise thing to do to the wider public, in my opinion. Following someone as a public figure…especially if you don’t follow many, can appear to give credibility to that person and/or also highlight them for others to follow. How did each person RepWeiner follow handle this wanted or unwanted attention. The whole story should keep the light of truth shining on RepWeiner.

    ltw (370236)

  145. Maybe Nikki made herself up for so she could get a tank of free Obama gasolines from the petroleum reserve!

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  146. I can put more on: “False flag fake constructed Persona that is made up and manufactured” Too much is NEVER ENOUGH.

    Also where can I get me some of my Free Obamaline Reserve brand? #OBAMALINEYES

    SarahW (af7312)

  147. weiner got “catfished”
    bottom feeder looked up saw
    jailbait on surface

    ColonelHaiku (2e01a7)

  148. Also I guess that’s why they call you “tutu.”

    SarahWSarahW (af7312)

  149. you can trust your car to the man what wears the star!

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  150. Comment by GennetteC — 6/24/2011 @ 1:56 am

    Yes, and we are all very grateful you took it upon yourself to craft the fake Weiner flirting, that drew down attention on his contacts with young women.

    SarahW (af7312)

  151. trolling a troll is completely normal behavior for young’uns like CG. its less common that a 46-yr old congressman would do it, but its completely plausible considering the risks he was already taking.

    milowent (0f8248)

  152. Jen Preston at the NYTimes should be asked about post #96.

    Did Jen Preston know when she wrote up the June 17th story that RepWeiner perhaps had information from GennetteC that “starchild111″ was a fake persona? Was Representative Weiner contacted for comment or interviewed for that article?

    ltw (370236)

  153. Milowent posted screencaps yesterday of many of Nikki’s tweets. She wasn’t especially active on Twitter, but she was not talking about Weiner constantly. She did a lot of reaching out to celebrities and other people (Ethel, Nikki, Juan).
    Her first tweets were to the Kardashians and a latin small time actress named Erica Mena who has since changed her handle.

    If there is something in that timeline that proves she is waiting to talk about how Gennette flirted with Anthony Weiner, it is not obvious.

    Gennette, knowing who Nikki followed and knowing who Ethel followed and knowing who Weiner followed, is every bit as overly interested in Weiner as she accuses Nikki of being.

    MayBee (081489)

  154. Good one SarahW, LMAO

    Tutu (1f44ed)

  155. Did Weiner enjoy seeing the Patriot crew swarm young girls on his behalf? Did Gennette enjoy seeing it?

    Why encourage another “young girl” to publicly engage Weiner unless that’s what they wanted to see?

    MayBee (081489)

  156. @153 MayBee – what’s your angle, then? We know Nikki was a sock. We know Marianela-sock tried to push off “bad stuff” about weiner onto #bornfreecrew, and then said she was lying about all that after dicktweet came out. There’s no way in the world the person behind nikki-sock is pro-weiner. whether its an oppo-dem or oppo-GOP person or tea partier or whatever i don’t know. I simply hope hints by Preston and Stranahn that they are getting close are true.

    milowent (0f8248)

  157. The idea that a teen would have to have “friends” on Twitter is a nonstarter. The high school kids I know are not big tweeters.

    Also, did anybody think Nikki *seriously* wanted Weiner to come to her prom? Why does it matter if the date passed? It was an attention thing for Weiner, not a sincere invitation.

    MayBee (081489)

  158. milowent, that’s exactly what he was doing. Of course, per GC, he was tipped, which guided his reaction.

    SarahW (af7312)

  159. Sarah- the Buckley librarian twitter account you found the other day interests me. She had a lot of latin followers. Starchild was latin, originally interacted with latin actresses. She used a Spanish model for her friend’s avatar. She said she went to Buckley.

    MayBee (081489)

  160. also, very good evidence that nikki-sock is anti-weiner is the faked portion of anti seattle545 image posts, the one suggesting that nikki/marienela were socks of Gennette and that AW and Gennette plotted it out. very lame diversion there.

    milowent (0f8248)

  161. @157: “The idea that a teen would have to have “friends” on Twitter is a nonstarter. The high school kids I know are not big tweeters.”

    i followed the #teamtate controversy this spring and found that any teens with twitter accounts generally only do so if their frends are on twitter. (that controversy was the shelton high school connecticut teen suspended from prom for posting a sign on the high school wall asking a girl to go to he prom with him.) i followed a lot of the high school kids’ twitters to see what happened with the story, and they almost all just tweet to each other like a substitute for facebook.

    milowent (0f8248)

  162. @153 MayBee – what’s your angle, then?

    What do you mean, what’s my angle?

    Look at the twitter feed you posted and tell me it’s obvious Nikki wanted to be pushed onto Weiner and hear about Gennette’s flirting with him.

    Maybe Gennette wanted to see what would happen if she threw a young girl his way, considering he was already paying attention to Ethel. Who knows?

    MayBee (081489)

  163. There are only 2 people who are central to this whole thing. Gennette and Weiner. Everybody else is damn intersting, and I want to know just who did what. But, all roads lead back to Gennette. No Gennette, no story. Hmmmm.

    Tutu (1f44ed)

  164. Oh: I see I meant to post these questions last night but didn’t hit publish. No wonder Gennette was confused. Here is what I meant to publish:

    Did you warn Weiner that Ethel was a fake too, Gennette? Why were you monitoring her?

    Did you DM with her? To test out her bonafides?

    Should a Congressman use the term “fucking with them” with someone who represents herself as a high school girl, based on the opinion of some random journalism student across the country with whom he has had no coordinated activity?

    Patterico (135ea8)

  165. What if a kid doesn’t have a lot of friends?

    I’m not saying that is true of Nikki. I’m saying if you are an outsider looking in. You see a high school girl reaching out to celebrities on Twitter and conversing with anyone that comes along.
    Do you say, “Sockpuppet!” or do you say “Lonely kid”?

    It seems insensitive to me. A risky assumption to throw her to a married Congressman who a whole group of Twitter-ers is calling a pervert. Like Dangerous Liaisons.

    MayBee (081489)

  166. Gennette
    You told Nikki you were thinking of moving and working in DC. Then you told her that you wanted to be a political journalist. DC journalists have to work their way up to get that plum. That’s a senior journalist position. Were you offered a shortcut to DC by Weiner?

    Sherlock (d77c52)

  167. in 165, I mean to say it may not be true of Nikki because I have no idea what or who Nikki is.

    But if you are an outside observer, how do you know? Not every teenager has a lot of friends. Not every teenager is in an especially healthy place. It seems risky for adults to toy with someone they don’t know, or to assume a teen without friend on Twitter is someone to lead on about a married Congressman whose followers are harassed.

    MayBee (081489)

  168. @Patterico
    1) I didn’t warn AW that Ethel was fake and I wasn’t monitoring her. Nikki mentioned her and called her her “friend”. From Nikki’s tweets you could tell that she was a girl AW followed.
    2) I never followed or DM’d Ethel

    @Sherlock NO. I was lying to her.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  169. Hmmm. Lying to one person does not enhance credibility. Even for budding journalists.

    But journolisters? Maybe.

    Simon Jester (f797c0)

  170. This passive-aggressive stuff is bullsh!t! If ALL the information is not forthcoming, I don’t see how anyone involved can be considered a good source, including gennette.

    ∅ (e7577d)

  171. Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little
    Lie Lie Lie, talk a lot, pick a little more.

    Thanks Gennette!

    Tutu (1f44ed)

  172. ———

    Sorry. That was totally random but I just saw that this politician just started following her today and he follows me. Small world.
    Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:19 AM.

    MayBee (081489)

  173. @Tutu
    When did I lie? Just shut up. You’re bringing nothing to conversation from what I can see.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  174. Right back attcha, Gennette.

    Tutu (1f44ed)

  175. @Maybee
    Yeah he had already followed her once before. Then he followed her again after the # WeinerYes, since Nikki had mentioned her as her friend before this, I brought her up… as a way to bring him up.
    That might be confusing.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  176. If Weiner was listening to a random college student in Washington encouraging him to mess with someone who is either:
    1.A lonely high school student or
    2.A sockpuppet

    while he is being watched, while he is having sexting relationships with other random online women, and while he is following at least one other high school girl (whom he told to keep her mouth shut)…

    He is indeed a fool and it is good he is out of Congress.

    MayBee (081489)

  177. According to Tutu Im bringing nothing to the conversation and I already have very little patience this morning so I’m going to remove myself.
    You can fill in your blanks using more John Reis info.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  178. STFU is not very journolisty.

    GennetteC – how did you come to get a married congresscritter’s private phone number, in a not inappropriate manner?

    When he contacted you after the weinertweet, did he ask you to lie and cover for him like he did with Ginger? How did that first contact go? “OMG I just sent you my penis” or “Hi future JournoLista, how is your day”?

    JD (109425)

  179. No, it isn’t confusing. But it does show you were paying an awful lot of attention to who Weiner followed when.

    Were you kinda interested in whether what the Patriot crew was saying about him and high school girls was true? After he re-followed Ethel, did it make you go Hmmmm?

    Is that why you encouraged Nikki to flirt with him? So you could see how he would react? She would tell you, but you didn’t have that in with Ethel.

    MayBee (081489)

  180. @#63 Gennette

    Do you seriously believe that this person doesn’t have screengrabs of all of their communication?

    Do you?

    Do you have screengrabs of your communications?
    In your position, that would have been the logical thing to do. You appear to be a bright person. Why not keep copies in case you needed them to protect yourself at a later point?

    Sherlock (d77c52)

  181. “Grooming” keeps coming to my mind..

    But,who was grooming whom in this case?

    Was RAW grooming a groomer?

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  182. @#63 Gennette
    Have you ever been concerned that you might need to protect yourself against Weiner some day in the future? That is to say, what if he felt you were a threat? He is connected to some tough characters.

    You have inserted yourself into a major power game, while you lack any real power yourself. Do you feel you have the ability to actually make an independent choice or are you owned?

    Have you ever received anything like a warning or even a threat to not talk?

    Sherlock (d77c52)

  183. See…it’s all my fault that we can’t get to the bottom of this.

    Wow,if I had just shut up, we could have had Gennette solve this whole thing. Right here, right now, this morning. Sorry, guys.

    Tutu (1f44ed)

  184. re post at #160

    also, very good evidence that nikki-sock is anti-weiner is the faked portion of anti seattle545 image posts, the one suggesting that nikki/marienela were socks of Gennette and that AW and Gennette plotted it out.

    Perhaps more Anti-GennetteC. I think the seattle545 posts were posted after the 6/17 article in the times ran, where GennetteC was the main source of the article.

    ltw (370236)

  185. 164. “Should a Congressman use the term “fucking with them” with someone who represents herself as a high school girl, based on the opinion of some random journalism student across the country with whom he has had no coordinated activity?”

    should a congressman ever use the word fuck in a communication that could be released? No.

    nikki was a suspected sock, so weiner was reckless. he’s already tweeting his dick to an adult woman earlier that month, so using the word “fuck” with a suspected troll is small potatoes.

    milowent (0f8248)

  186. @184 – but who CARES about gennette’s rep? its all about the socks being out at this point, and the socks simply don’t know how to shut up.

    perhaps one of the best hidden puppetmasters ever on the internet has been “cassieiswatching’ which was an alterate realty game created in 2006 and portrayed as being connected to lonelygirl15. The puppetmaster has never been found after going silent 4 years ago, though tons of internet geeks were looking for him. you’d think the nikki sock knows silence is the best hiding mechanism, so their continued activity is surprising to me.

    milowent (0f8248)

  187. When speculating about how Gennette decided so quickly Starchild111 was a fake, keep in mind that Gennette has already had direct exchanges with PatriotUSA76.

    Specifically, on 04/18, PatriotUSA76 tweeted, “Now @RepNeedleDick you know you shouldn’t be trolling the school yards for followers. Leave the students alone! @GennetteNicole”

    The next day, he tweeted “@RepWeiner … unfollowed 1 school girl. Now has 1 left … initials: GN…”

    Gennette replied, “Are you insinuating that I’m a child? Don’t mention in anymore tweets…”

    So we know that Gennette has already been singled out for being a schoolgirl and following Weiner, and we know that when she was singled out, she was one of just a couple.

    Gennette, when Starchild111 first contacted you, how much looking into her Twitter stream did you do?

    Greg (bc8186)

  188. @milowent

    The Nikki puppetmaster often appears to be unbalanced

    Sherlock (d77c52)

  189. Maybee, I concur, though I might be taking this line out of context. I haz a certitude.

    He is indeed a fool and it is good he is out of Congress.

    SarahW (af7312)

  190. an alterate realty game

    A sock that was a game? How did that work?

    Sherlock (d77c52)

  191. What adult looks at an online persona, makes a guess they are not really the lonely teen they are pretending to be, and decides to screw around with them by encouraging them to flirt with a married man? And what married grown adult man plays along with that game?

    What if you are wrong?
    What if it really is a lonely teen?
    What if you are messing around with a Scott Ritter-type sting?
    What if it really is someone who knows the married man sends out naked pictures of himself?

    MayBee (081489)

  192. @185 – …”socks” as you say don’t know how to shut up…so why should I care…. All I know is that they threw something “new” up 6/20 to guide, throw smoke, have fun, whatever….More interested in NYTimes and other known news outlets reporting or not reporting.

    ltw (370236)

  193. Sarah W, yesterday Goatsred said he gave you a “complete summary” of his interactions with Marienela in another thread. Do you know which post this was in, or do you have that summary available for posting here?

    Greg (bc8186)

  194. @Greg
    I looked right away. She was asking me to DM within ten minutes of contacting me.
    From looking at her tweets it was obvious to me that something was weird. Maybe growing up with social networking sites/ being closer in age to a HS girl, I saw something that everyone here appears to be missing.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  195. Maybe growing up with social networking sites/ being closer in age to a HS girl, I saw something that everyone here appears to be missing.

    Or, maybe barely being out of high school yourself you don’t recognize that some people are lonely and don’t need to be messed with.
    Or that adults don’t try to draw people claiming to be in high school into sexually-tinged games.
    Or that grown men hanging out with high school girls and college girls on the internet often don’t have good intentions.

    What if you were wrong, Gennette?
    You seem to have been wrong about Weiner’s intentions, no?

    MayBee (081489)

  196. Back to the age/generation nonsense.

    JD (d48c3b)

  197. From looking at her tweets it was obvious to me that something was weird.

    Yes, something was weird. A good person to start manipulating, no?

    MayBee (081489)

  198. Maybe growing up with social networking sites/ being closer in age to a HS girl, I saw something that everyone here appears to be missing.

    Well of course… we’re all old suspender-wearing, ‘Get Offa My lawn’-yelling crotchety old fuddy-duddies… None of us work at, for example, institutions that are part of the SBCTC and interact with young folk all day every day or anything…

    RB (064bd8)

  199. MayBee, I am always amused at the presumption of twenty-somethings that they are wiser and more perceptive than older people. I guess it makes them feel better about working for older folks.

    Even when they are being played.

    When I was a boy, I wondered how my father always knew I was lying. “You’ll see,” he told me, and he was right: age and experience. I saw that in my thirties. But, I told myself at the time, I had always fooled my mother. In my forties, I realized that I hadn’t been fooling her, either—she was just more polite than my father.

    GC will see, after more years have passed.

    Simon Jester (f797c0)

  200. Gennette, in other words, a couple weeks after you’d been identified/confronted on Twitter by PatriotUSA76 as the last remaining schoolgirl Weiner followed, another schoolgirl contacts you out of the blue, wants to DM, and you see from her twitter stream that she has multiple contacts with two other “controversial” Weiner follows, Ginger Lee and Ethel. What she doesn’t have, however, are a photo avatar, real life followers, etc.

    Greg (bc8186)

  201. @Maybee
    She contacted me out of the blue. She pursued me. Stop acting like I picked her out and began manipulating her.
    And from what I can tell I was right to be suspicious.

    Gennettec (700328)

  202. And from what I can tell I was right to be suspicious.

    I can agree with that assessment.

    RB (064bd8)

  203. Hmmm. Mark Twain said something about the right way to tell tall tales.

    Simon Jester (f797c0)

  204. @Greg
    Exactly. Does that not make sense? Is it so extraordinary that I knew she was fake?

    Gennettec (700328)

  205. @ Genette

    On May 30th you gave a written statement to the New York Daily News in which you said, “I also do not have a clear understanding as to how or why exactly I am involved in this fiasco,” she wrote.”

    Has your understanding of how you became “involved in this fiasco” changed over the past few weeks? It seems clear to me, but I’m just curious how you see things, now that some time has passed.

    Ms. Trish (d3022f)

  206. After reading the above, it occurs to me that Weiner was really just interested in getting more Twitter followers and was using flattery to get the girl to get her friends to follow him, too. That was why he asked if she was popular – so she could get her friends to follow him, and that it might become a “thing’ for the kids to follow a progressive leader. They would be eligible to vote in a couple of years, and he was probably using new media to lay the foundation for a grass roots support. I think he was playing the cool guy to get her to drum up more support. As for the rest of the intrigue – I have no idea what the heck is going on with sock puppets and parents. BUT it appears someone is concerned about it – concerned enough to send threats to Ace and Patterico. Now THAT is interesting!

    Robin (6b7cf0)

  207. Hee hee, Ms. Trish. It’s not easy to be so clever for a budding journalist, is it? That whole pesky internet thing keeps records.

    Simon Jester (f797c0)

  208. Wisdom can come at any age if you dare to ask yourself “What if I’m wrong?”. Learning to make good decisions is the best thing you can learn how to do. Learning from your mistakes helps you along that path.

    MayBee (081489)

  209. This Publisher’s Clearinghouse approach is rather tiresome.

    ∅ (e7577d)

  210. Stop acting like I picked her out and began manipulating her.

    I never said you picked her out.
    Can you deny you were manipulating her? You wanted her to get talking about Weiner, right? Why would Weiner trust you enough to risk another twitter attack about young girls? Especially considering he was actually having several online relationships with women he did not really know anything about?

    MayBee (081489)

  211. 205.After reading the above, it occurs to me that Weiner was really just interested in getting more Twitter followers and was using flattery to get the girl to get her friends to follow him, too. That was why he asked if she was popular – so she could get her friends to follow him, and that it might become a “thing’ for the kids to follow a progressive leader. They would be eligible to vote in a couple of years, and he was probably using new media to lay the foundation for a grass roots support.

    That makes sense right up to the point where he tweets a pecker picture.

    ∅ (e7577d)

  212. Greg- if you suspected someone on Twitter or the internet was not really the high school girl she claimed, would you start up a conversation about how to flirt with a married man? Would you watch a married man strike up an online relationship with that person?

    MayBee (081489)

  213. GennetteC – how did you come to have a married congressman’s private phone number in a not inappropriate manner? What was the nature of your conversations/text/communications after the weinertweet that just shocked you?

    JD (d48c3b)

  214. That doesn’t have to be to Greg. That can be to any guy here.

    MayBee (081489)

  215. @Maybee
    How in the world are you accusing me of manipulating someone who was posing as a HS girl?! She’s not real!!
    She was trying to do it to me. What do you not get?
    I’ve already told you that I feel like your comments, more than others, are off the mark.
    You keep acting like I was manipulating an ACTUAL HS girl.

    Gennettec (700328)

  216. My #204 *Gennette* Sorry.

    Ms. Trish (d3022f)

  217. Gennette-
    Anthony Weiner, a married US Congressman, was following you on Twitter. You exchanged occasional DMs.
    You received a lot of negative attention- you called it harassment- from a Twitter group closely watching AW’s interactions with young girls.
    A Twitter persona, Nikki, claiming to be a high school girl started following you.
    She wanted to be very friendly.
    You checked her out, and she had few friends, had interacted with two other Weiner DMers, and had also been harassed about AW.
    You continued a relationship with her, and she never brought up Weiner.
    You continued occasional DMs with Weiner.
    You told Weiner you thought this girl Nikki wasn’t really in high school.
    You noticed Weiner started again following another high school girl, Ethel.
    Ethel tweeted she was happy but needed to keep her mouth shut.
    You used that information to bring up Weiner, finally, to Nikki.
    You suggested Nikki follow Weiner and ask him publicly to follow her.

    Weiner, who had been told by you that you thought Nikki wasn’t really in high school, started DMing Nikki, encouraging her to talk about him publicly
    The Patriot group of course noticed this and harassed her.
    Weiner then stopped following Nikki
    The Patriot group then noticed you were the only one left, and harassed you and AW
    You kept talking to Nikki

    Does that sum it up?

    MayBee (081489)

  218. MayBee – your comments seem to cut to the quick with her, she lashes out. It is rather telling to note the questions that she refuses to answer.

    JD (d4001a)

  219. Gennette, I am reposting a question. I don’t know if you saw it.

    @#63 Gennette

    Do you seriously believe that this person doesn’t have screengrabs of all of their communication?

    Do you?

    Do you have screengrabs of your communications?
    In your position, that would have been the logical thing to do. You appear to be a bright person. Why not keep copies in case you needed them to protect yourself at a later point?

    sherlock (d77c52)

  220. Folks, Lee’s about to go on air to out the real person behind “Nikki”:

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan/2011/06/24/weinerfate-nikki-revealed–for-real

    Miranda (4104db)

  221. Does this make gennette irrelevant?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  222. I think why Gennette chose to act the way she did, and why Weiner chose to trust her, is very interesting. In the end, that led to Weiner’s downfall.

    MayBee (081489)

  223. MayBee 207: this is why you are held in such high regard here. Well stated!

    Simon Jester (f797c0)

  224. How in the world are you accusing me of manipulating someone who was posing as a HS girl?! She’s not real!!

    There is/was someone there. A real person doing something for reasons you did not know.
    You made an assumption, told a Congressman what your assumption was, and then tried to get the person, “Nikki”, to act in a certain way for your own reasons.

    Did things turn out the way you thought they would? Weiner sending you a picture and losing his seat?

    MayBee (081489)

  225. That means a lot coming from you, Simon Jester.

    MayBee (081489)

  226. 210 I think the dicpic was not related to the high school girls – in the sense that he was grooming them. I think the high school girl tweets were simply to generate more followers. I might be a little confused, but wasn’t the pic sent to the wrong person by accident? Didn’t he mean to send it to a different Genette?

    BTW – I do think “our” Genette was just reaching out to a high school girl to offer guidance and to be a friend. I think she may have thought something was hinky and tried to warn Weiner.

    Robin (6b7cf0)

  227. Robin – there is nothing to suggest it was sent by mistake to GennetteC.

    JD (306f5d)

  228. -225 ask @repweiner

    ltw (370236)

  229. Gennette: “I was lying to her… When did I lie? Just shut up.”

    I guess it is hard to keep track of our lies but that was posted one right after the other.

    tier (4a939c)

  230. @tier, so obvious that I did not even bother to mention it, but yeah, really makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

    Tutu (1f44ed)

  231. @Tier 229
    Seriously?
    I was asking when lied about any of this stuff. I’ve made it clear that I wasn’t being honest to the FAKE person.

    Gennettec (e30c70)

  232. Genette, you were perfectly right to be suspicious, but you were not right in your actions.

    First, the proper response would have been to ignore a suspected sock, not befriend it.

    You were trying to outsmart someone, putting (unbidden, by your own account) someone else’s reputation on the line.

    You actually manufactured ammunition used against him.

    Where you were wrong was in attempting to engage her out of your own per

    Colby left out in the sun too long (af7312)

  233. Where you were wrong was in attempting to engage her.

    SarahW (af7312)

  234. But as I’ve said, I’m actually kind of grateful for your mistake, because your friend only suffered from your mistake as he deserved, and his friends and enemies alike benefit from his removal from a position where he can do, um “major damage.”

    SarahW (af7312)

  235. Confirmed: no Nikki Reid in California. There is one John Reid related to a Necole Reid, but there are a lot of John Reid’s so that’s doubtful. Pretty sure Nikki is definitely a sock puppet.

    Weiner's wiener (5e7638)

  236. Scratch that. I should have searched Nicole. There is exactly one John/Nicole Reid match in CA. In Torrance, CA. Withing a few miles of the Buckley school. Deserves investigation.

    Weiner's wiener (5e7638)

  237. …well 20 miles. Plausible though.

    Weiner's wiener (5e7638)

  238. Mmm… married and mid 20’s… maybe not.

    Weiner's wiener (5e7638)

  239. Interested in politics though.

    Weiner's wiener (5e7638)

  240. The only thing that give me pause, is the idea that mayeb I don’t know enough about Twitter because could SOCKREID be this dumb and also could everybody else miss this??

    If Anthony weiner began following starchild111 at 12:18 PM (GMT?) on Monday May 16, 2011:

    Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:18:39 +0000
    From: [Twitter postmaster]
    Subject: Anthony Weiner is now following you on Twitter!

    Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) is now following your tweets (@starchild111) on Twitter.

    —————

    How could he have been sending private Direct Messages to Nikki at 9:21 am and 10:04 AM and so on, the same day????

    The prom beg came after 10:04 but before 12:19.

    And Genette says:

    Gennette approves:

    Ahhh! He followed you! Lol. Cool. When I said maybe he’d follow you I didn’t think he’d do it overnight. Hope that made your day a little.
    Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:11 AM.

    he followed her at 10:11 but he didn’t until 12:19. Are there two different time clocks here??

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  241. Sammy, that’s where being a Journalist with a capital J would come in handy. The big media outlets have resources bloggers don’t have.

    I see some folks here asking for timelines, summaries, etc. I’d love to see a detailed timeline too. Patterico has a demanding full-time job, and a life outside this site. Someone could volunteer to do it – not me – I’ve already devoted too much time to reading the accounts & don’t have a decent knowledge of Twitter.

    I do think there’s more strangeness to come out.

    Take a look at the not-Nikki/not-Betty/not-Starchild111 updated info:
    http://www.jennifergeorge.com/weiner.html

    Read the alleged correspondence between Jen Preston/NYT & JG carefully. I’m obviously not making any kind of conjecture here.

    I will say this – whoever is behind this elaborate charade has excellent computer skills – better than acting/screenwriting talent I’d say.

    Miranda (4104db)


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