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6/23/2011

Weiner Document Dump, Part 2: Including Alleged DMs from Weiner to Nikki

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:59 pm

I waited all night for JohnReid9 to provide some publishable context for some of this. But I never heard from him. So, we’ll just let the documents speak for themselves.

Documents like this:

and this:

And this:

And many more. Keep reading.

First, some developments since last night. Gennette Cordova has already verified parts of last night’s document dump. To take one example (there are others), she confirmed that these DMs were written by her:

Her claim is that she was participating in a type of surveillance of Nikki on behalf of Weiner:

And yes, I did. It was a week and a half in, I knew why this person was engaging me but they hadn’t brought him up yet.
So I got the ball rolling.
Now, I’ve given that information to someone else already so it’s not exclusive but there you go:)

In other words, she says she told Nikki these things, but had not really said those things to Weiner.

I express no opinion on the truth of that claim, just as I express no opinion on the authenticity of JohnReid9 or his documents. I will speak of “Reid” and “Nikki” in this post as if they are real people because it is easier to tell the story that way, but that does not mean I am giving an opinion. As I have said, whether JohnReid9 is a concerned father or an Internet hoaxster is for the reader to decide. You are already aware that he has provided fake IDs to Tommy Christopher and that the Nikki Reid and Marianela Alicea accounts had fake pictures attached to them. But you also know that Gennette Cordova has authenticated aspects of the material he has sent out. And he may offer his story yet. So stay tuned.

What you are about to see is text cut and pasted from DMs forwarded to me by Reid. I took some screenshots of some of the more interesting ones and will be including them at the end. Because these are e-mail notifications of DMs from other people, you are getting only one side of the conversation. In some cases the nature of the other side will be clear; in other cases it will not.

I tried to place them in chronological order and edit out Ethel’s name. Otherwise, you’re seeing what I received.

I am asking Gennette Cordova by e-mail to confirm or deny the authenticity of the DMs purporting to be from her. [UPDATE 12:26 a.m.: In a comment, she has largely confirmed the communications that came from her, and has failed to object to any as inauthentic.]

Whether JohnReid9 is Concerned Father or Internet Prankster, this is news. And it’s breaking here.

Here we go.

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:51:46 +0000
From: [Twitter Postmaster]
Subject: [Ethel] is now following you on Twitter!

[Ethel] (@[Ethel]) is now following your tweets (@starchild111) on Twitter.

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sickening.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 6:51 PM.

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People seriously think it doesn’t matter. Like it affects your life everyday. I cannot believe those guys sit around and try to make people
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 6:54 PM.

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feel bad. yet they’re sayin repweiner is the criminal….
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 6:54 PM.

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they’re so sick. like are you that bored with your life that you’re grown men staring at a computer screen all night….. idiots.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 6:57 PM.

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Yeah I’m trying not to. I tried to be as politically correct as possible and not call them “fucking assholes” or anything. Just to make them
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:03 PM.

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When I asked for the followback he just said , “done. anything else i could do for you?” and it was so cool because when i visited the house
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:07 PM.

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gallery, he was there speaking. so i followed him on twitter and I LOVE HIS TWEETS. like they all say exactly what i am thinking.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:07 PM.

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My history teacher emailed Chris Coons (my senator) and asked for tickets. It was great. Except the senate wasn’t in session so i like cried
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:10 PM.

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and he asked John Carney (my rep) for house tickets!
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:10 PM.

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Best day of my life.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:14 PM.

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Uhm…………….. that’s quite a hike. Totally worth it.
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:16 PM.

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I def recommend it!
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 7:25 PM.

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Ty!
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 13, 9:30 PM.

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Remember Ethel’s public tweets around this time:

Ethel: @RepWeiner I’m in love with you
13 Apr

Ethel: Watchin @RepWeiner on cnn <3
13 Apr

Ethel: Seriously talking to Representative Weiner from New York right now! Like is my life real?
13 Apr

patriotusa76: "@repweiner talking to high-school girls now. Freak."

Ethel: @sclancy cause representative weiner followed me back today and some sickos are trying to make a thing of it.
04/13/2011

Ethel: Seriously depressed that @RepWeiner doesn't follow me anymore. Yesterday was a great day!
15 Apr

Which seem to show Weiner unfollowed her due to the efforts of the crew led by Dan Wolfe. Ethel’s reaction is reflected in these DMs to Nikki:

I’m so sad :(
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 14, 11:15 PM.

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Probably publicity reasons which I understand but still :(
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 14, 11:19 PM.

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I told everyone at school! Sorry to ruin it :(
Direct message sent by [Ethel] (@[Ethel]) to you (@starchild111) on Apr 14, 11:21 PM.

About a month later, Gennette DMs to Nikki:

And I’m glad I could make you smile! You’re so sweet.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 4:38 PM.

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That sounds so cool! You’re awesome for thinking to invite me:) hopefully I can make it, that would be amazing.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 4:43 PM.

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Yeah my sister used to act like that with me. Lol. I totally get it!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:03 PM.

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Okay, well I’m in college and my friends STILL do that to me! It’s crazy how unconcerned they are.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:17 PM.

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They’ll talk about the Bachelor for hours but when I bring up politics they have nothing to say. I think it’s sad.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:18 PM.

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but boys, politics or anything else you want to talk about, I’m here to listen.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:22 PM.

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It’s hard when no one around you cares about the things that you care about:(
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:22 PM.

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That’s a good idea, connecting with people who have similar views as you, especially for you because you live in such a conservative area!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:33 PM.

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I go to school in Bellingham. The next town over gave Glenn Beck the key to the city. The teaparty us huge up here, so I know how you feel.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:35 PM.

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Wow. I’m so sorry:( People can be so extreme sometimes. It’s ridiculous.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:43 PM.

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Hello! I thought I’d check up and see how you were doing. I hope all is well with you:)
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 12, 3:43 PM.

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I agree 100%. It’s so closed minded.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 5:53 PM.

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Ahhh! I wish! There’s nowhere to surf around here its so lame. I tried in Hawaii once, I was awful. Lol.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 13, 6:04 PM.

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Hey girl:) I did!! Hope you did too!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 10:31 PM.

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Lol! I’ll watch the shows with her if she gives me a surfing lesson. That’s a fair trade… sort of. Haha.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 11:15 PM.

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Lol!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 11:19 PM.

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Lol. Im so jealous that you live in Cali. Even though you’re around a bunch of conservatives all the time. Haha.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 11:57 PM.

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Sunshine surfing and hot boys. Sounds wonderful. Lol.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 15, 11:57 PM.

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I wish! Somewhere on the beach would be great. But I think I’m moving to DC after school. Which places are you considering?
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:07 AM.

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Oh yeah, NYU would be great. I’ve also heavily considered New York. I want to do political journalism. Have you picked an area of study?
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:14 AM.

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I started out doing international relations. It was great! You’ll love either one.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:34 AM.

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I did AP Eng in highschool, I was always into English. But I didn’t want to major in Lit because I didn’t know what I’d do with that degree.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:40 AM.

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Then I got more and more into politics and journalism seemed like a perfect fit.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:40 AM.

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Oh my god! Lol. I love him. There aren’t too many politicians that I LOVE but he’s one of them. For sure.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:45 AM.

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I agree!
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:50 AM.

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It will be hard. It’ll be different for you though. I moved across the state for college and it was great. You meet a lot of great people.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:59 AM.

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I’m sure you’d have no problem making friends.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 12:59 AM.

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I feel the same way. It’ll be a culture shock leaving the westcoast. I love it here.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:05 AM.

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That’s true. But DC is the epicenter of the political world. Then again LA would be so much more exciting and glamorous.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:14 AM.

I can’t vouch for this because I have only half of the conversation, but it looks like Gennette is the one who brings up Weiner:

Lol! That’s funny. Hey did you say one of your friends was [Ethel]?
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:18 AM.

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Sorry. That was totally random but I just saw that this politician just started following her today and he follows me. Small world.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:19 AM.

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Yeah! It is. I love him. Just ask. Maybe he will, who knows? Haha. I think I’m gonna hit the sack. I have an early class. Lame:(
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:24 AM.

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Oh, I just looked. He’s doing this hashtag thing and following people I guess? Idk. I never asked him to follow me.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:25 AM.

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Night:)
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 1:28 AM.

Notice that these are being sent on May 16, just after midnight — and Gennette says she noticed Weiner started following Ethel “today” — which would have to be May 15. Now remember Ethel’s public tweets from that time:

Ethel: @RepWeiner you used to follow me don’t forget me!!! #weineryes
13 May

Ethel: SERIOUSLY LOVING LIFE AGAIN BUT I GOTTA KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT OR ELSE……….
15 May

. . . .

Ethel: I love today. I really do.
17 May

Ethel: I’m in love with married men, #thatswhyimsingle
17 May

Interesting, isn’t it?

Here is where things get interesting — when Weiner starts messaging Nikki:

Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:18:39 +0000
From: [Twitter postmaster]
Subject: Anthony Weiner is now following you on Twitter!

Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) is now following your tweets (@starchild111) on Twitter.

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you’re welcome! have a good day at class.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:03 AM.

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do you follow me? (its only fair)
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:07 AM.

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Ah. Ok. well that is why I wanted to follow more – to get new followers.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:15 AM.

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I’m flattered. Thanks for the follow
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:21 AM.

I’m not sure what prompted the following, but remember that Nikki wanted to take him to prom:

Sounds like fun! I’m a bit old for high school.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:28 AM.

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Ill think about it. You should focus on your finals.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:38 AM.

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You pretty popular at school?
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:39 AM.

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well lets say you and me change that. See if you can get all your friends to follow me here and on fb.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:47 AM.

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a hs girl that has a crush on me and doesnt follow me or know im on fb. some crush.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 9:51 AM.

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you should start a twitter campaign to get me to go to the prom with you. im trying to get to 50k followers. so ill try anything.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:04 AM.

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if you give me some good reasons and the country rallies around a good young progressive like you, sure.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:08 AM.

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start by urging everyone on your twitter to follow me. and tell the world why you are a progressive and not a republican troll
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:09 AM.

Gennette approves:

Ahhh! He followed you! Lol. Cool. When I said maybe he’d follow you I didn’t think he’d do it overnight. Hope that made your day a little.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:11 AM.

And Weiner is back:

im gonna see if you do what we agreed. you post on twitter yet?
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:12 AM.

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come up with a clever hashtag so people can join in!
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:19 AM.

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we want to spread the word about our progressive ideals and to make fun of all the trolls who may be watching very very closely
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:21 AM.

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i find it very amusing. i love fucking with them.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:26 AM.

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ok, next frontier is your fb page.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:29 AM.

Remember the public tweets I already published from Nikki from this time:

starchild111: Tweeps my progressive idol @RepWeiner is following me! Today is the best day ever!
May 16 from Twitter

starchild111: Today also marks day one of my campaign to get @RepWeiner to be my prom date. Will you be my prom date @RepWeiner?
May 16 from Twitter

starchild111: Everyone please please follow @RepWeiner and tell him to be my prom date!
May 16 from Twitter

starchild111: Tweeps please tweet and follow @RepWeiner and tell him to be my prom date and use#RepWeinerBeNikkisDate
May 16 from Twitter

starchild111: Follow the best progressive Congressman @RepWeiner he is a democrat who fights for us & against Republican trolls! #RepWeinerBeNikkisDate
May 16 from Twitter

And Dan Wolfe and his crew saw and tried to intercede:

patriotusa76: RT starchild111: Please tweet and follow @RepWeiner & tell him to be my prom date>>Poor girl. We should warn her. @goatsred @tamale102280

And then Gennette asks:

OMG. Prom?
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:45 AM.

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Lol! I retweeted it. Make sure to tell your ex a congressman is following you on Twitter! Haha.
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:50 AM.

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:)
Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:54 AM.

Back to Weiner (no idea what prompted this):

oh i feel terrible. you did? ok ill go back and look. my bad! forgive me?
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 2:03 PM.

great! im soooo excited.
Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 2:08 PM.

And Ethel follows again:

Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:10:42 +0000
From: [Twitter Postmaster]
Subject: [Ethel] is now following you on Twitter!

[Ethel] (@[Ethel]) is now following your tweets (@starchild111) on Twitter.

That’s all I have at this point. We’ll see if I get more.

Meanwhile, here are some of the more interesting screenshots from the e-mails I received:

In light of what we know about him, I find these creepy. If we wrote them.

Anyone want to ask him?

Tommy Christopher’s Confident Assertions Continue to Fall Apart

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:43 pm

That admission Gennette Cordova made this morning on my blog put another nail in the coffin of Tommy Christopher’s confident assertions about the Weiner scandal.

Did you catch that?

I’ll do the short version for those following the story closely, and then a longer version for those who are a little lost.

THE SHORT VERSION, FOR THE INITIATED: Marianela told Stack she had DMs from Weiner to Nikki, and DMs from Gennette talking about flirting with Weiner. Tommy Christopher assured us, in no uncertain terms, that Marianela was lying about this. This morning, Gennette authenticated the DMs where she was talking about flirting with Weiner. (She claims she really didn’t flirt with him, but was conducting surveillance on Nikki for Weiner.)

So Tommy told us Marianela was lying, and had nothing. Yet part of what she claimed to have, Gennette just told us exists.

The other half of what Marianela said she had was a set of DMs from Weiner to Nikki. And guess what? There’s another document dump coming tonight, and guess what’s in it?

OK then.

Now for . . . the long version.

(more…)

Mail, I Get Mail

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:03 pm

From “Alicia Pain”:

You need to stop digging into Genette Cordova and Rep. AW. I cannot insure your safety if you continue.
Do not trust anyone.

Please think about your family. This story is not worth it. I can assure you that.

Please remember, your safety cannot be assured if you continue.

I am trying to help you, a lot of people are very disappointed that this story has continued.

You can continue with the story if you so desire, but your safety cannot be assured.

Thank you for your cooperation and your understanding.

Yours Truly- Alicia

Lotta red fonts in this e-mail. That was the scariest part of all!

Big drop coming later.

UPDATE: Ace e-mails to say he received the same threat.

UPDATE x2: Commenter Miranda finds a reference to “Alicia Pain” on the Web. Lotta red in this too. Scaaaaary!

UPDATE x3: Here is the header, for what it’s worth. I don’t know if you can learn anything from a header in an e-mail sent to a Gmail account, but for what it’s worth, here it is.

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Does that tell you anything?

UPDATE x4: I had an e-mail exchange with “Alicia” last night. You may read it here.

UPDATE x5: Some chucklehead on Twitter thought I was accusing the real Alicia Pain of being the emailer. I think this is clear to everyone on Earth but him, but I’m obviously not saying that. I’m saying the emailer perhaps chose the name because if the violent images at the link. Duh.

Richard Stengel’s Illiterate Reading of the Constitution (And Other Laws) (Update: Against All Odds, The Fail Becomes More Epic) (Further Update: Cover Story?)

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 3:47 pm

[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

Update: See at the end for a big update that will make this whole thing even more scandalous.

Update (II): The fail becomes even worse.  I didn’t realize I  was fisking their cover story.

And you have to love the fact that this thing is in their “10th Annual History Issue.”  The mind boggles.

The original post follows…

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Seriously, this piece in Time Magazine is either utter bullsh-t, or he is literally incapable of reading and understanding the words of the Constitution and other related laws.  I was so stunned to read this drivel in Time Magazine that I then looked up who the hell Richard Stengel is, and apparently he is their Managing Editor!  And by the time you are done reading this post you will be stunned with the cluelessness on display.

So strap yourself in, we’re going to have an old fashioned fisking.  And it’s a long one, because this piece is one of the most clueless pieces I have ever read on the Constitution or the law generally.

It starts off with the usual liberal claptrap that if the founders were not perfect soothsayers about the future, that this meant that we should just ignore the Constitution:

Here are a few things the framers did not know about: World War II. DNA. Sexting. Airplanes. The atom. Television. Medicare. Collateralized debt obligations. The germ theory of disease. Miniskirts. The internal combustion engine. Computers. Antibiotics. Lady Gaga.

It is a facially ridiculous argument.  Yes, for instance, the founders didn’t know specifically that Adolf Hitler would rise to become the leader of Germany and plunge the world into war (a second time, no less) and murder millions of innocents (especially Jews).  But they knew there was such a thing as war.  And I find it odd that he asserts that the founders didn’t know about the concept of collateral debt, given that Thomas Jefferson endlessly whined about his and indeed the majority of the slave-holding founders were in the same situation (but generally less whiney than Jefferson about the whole thing).  And in fact the existence of the atom has been theorized since Greek times, and verified to a significant extent by chemists in the 17th and 18th centuries.  If you are going to assert that the founders didn’t know about certain things, maybe you should check to see whether they actually knew about them.

The aggressive stupidity continues:

What would the framers say about whether the drones over Libya constitute a violation of Article I, Section 8, which gives Congress the power to declare war? Well, since George Washington didn’t even dream that man could fly, much less use a global-positioning satellite to aim a missile, it’s hard to say what he would think.

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GennetteC Has The Right Idea: Who Is John Reid?

Filed under: General — Stranahan @ 9:32 am

[Guest post by Lee Stranahan]

In comments, Gennette has consistently asked the most important question that’s on the table right now – the question that the Reid Doc Dump is meant to distract from.

Who is the person behind the accounts of Nikki, Marianela, and John Reid?

They are obviously fake accounts. This has been clear to a number of people for about two weeks now. In that time…

  1. not a single piece of evidence has come forward that would establish that those accounts are anything but sock puppets.
  2. all the evidence that has come forward just adds to the sock puppet story
    1. The fake photos
    2. Reid coming forward trying to ‘protect his daughter’ when the best protection if they were real would be to stay quiet
    3. the sudden silence of Mrs. Reid replaced by John as the spokesman

The focus as this point SHOULD be on finding out who is behind the fake accounts. That will answer a lot of questions.  But the person or persons behind the fake account doesn’t want to be caught. So, when people are getting close – and people are, I believe – they throw out more nonsense. And suddenly, Gennette becomes the focus again. Or let’s attack the New York Times reporter! It’s such an obvious distraction that I’m shocked it’s working – but 200+ comments can’t be wrong.

Meanwhile, the real hard clues that might lead to the person behind the puppets aren’t even being discussed.

To repeat something I mentioned a couple of days ago – I got a PHONE CALL from the person who CREATED the Starchild account. And that call was full of contradictions, including the statements made by the woman calling that she’d gotten death threats within an hour of her name being posted…but nobody has been able to find her number or even any hard evidence she exists.

That’s significant. It could lead to finding out who is behind this and what their intent was. But somehow a puppet has managed to control the news cycle.

- Lee Stranahan

A Very Specific Question for Gennette Cordova; UPDATE. Cordova Admits Sending Messages

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:07 am

Remember how Congressman Weiner refused to deny that was his erection in the underwear picture? And how the refusal to deny was as good as an admission?

Could you please tell us if you wrote the following?

You have been commenting here often. We know it’s you. Since you’re around, could you answer that very simple and straightforward question?

UPDATE: In comments, Cordova admits she wrote the above:

And yes, I did. It was a week and a half in, I knew why this person was engaging me but they hadn’t brought him up yet.
So I got the ball rolling.
Now, I’ve given that information to someone else already so it’s not exclusive but there you go:)

“Someone else” is obviously Jen Preston of the New York Times.

OJ to Confess to Oprah?

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 6:38 am

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Myself I barely think it is news.  Oh, look he is seeking attention as usual, so he is playing his last card—admitting what everyone knew.  I remember for years seeing people argue about it, and then when he committed that robbery in Vegas, suddenly everyone agreed: he killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman.  Seriously no one doubts it.

But if there is anything interesting, it is in the chutzpah involved:

According to the National Enquirer, the interview is set to be filmed after Simpson confessed he killed the pair in self-defense to a producer from inside prison.

‘Oprah has been in touch with O.J. for the past year,’ a source told the magazine. She contacted him in prison to explore the possibility that he might give her an interview.

‘He has always been a big fan of hers, but for a long time he was reluctant to say he did the crime or give the details of how it happened.’

According to the insider, Simpson recently decided to go through with the confession after he was contacted again by one of Oprah’s producers.

‘He told the producer: “Tell Oprah that yes, I did it. I killed Nicole, but it was in self-defence. She pulled a knife on me and I had to defend myself”,’ the insider was quoted as saying.

He reportedly then went on to give a full account of what happened on the night of the murders on June 12 1994.

Really, OJ?  Really? Do you think anyone is going to buy the claim that you committed a double homicide in self defense?

Honestly, I think Oprah shouldn’t be giving this narcissist the time of day.

And all this comes from The Other McCain, who notes that “Don Surber cautions that this story is based on a National Enquirer report.”  You know, a few years ago I assumed that the Enquirer was a piece of trash, but recently…

…yeah, I think I will trust them on this one.

(Man, that pic still gives me the willies.)

Meanwhile, Dustin informs me of this claim by F. Lee Bailey that actually manages to be less plausible than OJ’s double-homicide-in-self-defense story:

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