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6/21/2011

Where the Pictures for Nikki and Marianela’s Accounts Came From; MAJOR UPDATE: Alleged Father of Nikki Threatens to Release All Gennette’s E-mails, Rages Against NYT and Gennette

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:39 pm

Here is StarChild111’s Twitter image. (She is Betty/Nikki Reid.)

Here is where it came from.

Here is Marianela’s Twitter image.

Here is the source image.

H/t Joe Brooks on Twitter. Follow him at twitter.com/joebrooks.

Conclusion: Marianela was using a fake picture even when she messaged Mike Stack.

Another clue.

UPDATE: “JohnReid9,” long suspected to be an alias for Nikki, has told Gennette Cordova that he/she/they are getting ready to release Gennette’s emails. And Gennette is back public again. It’s drama on an unprecedented scale and it’s happening right now.

UPDATE x2: On Twitter, Dan Riehl thinks he found the original Nikki picture.

217 Responses to “Where the Pictures for Nikki and Marianela’s Accounts Came From; MAJOR UPDATE: Alleged Father of Nikki Threatens to Release All Gennette’s E-mails, Rages Against NYT and Gennette”

  1. Patterico, there’s something you might want to redact in the 3rd link.

    Lisa (e9b5b9)

  2. It’s a first name. I don’t see how that is going to be that big a deal.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  3. Wow..The plot thickens. Tommy? Were these the photo ID’s that were sent? A Facebook California Drivers License? Obviously fakes. Or did Marianela use my iPhone screencap as her ID???
    Now the question that looms is : When will we see the blockbuster mom ID???

    goatsred (b20383)

  4. fashion and fun are the best I love the fashion and also the fun

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  5. They need to stop dorking around and subpoena the twitter messages/IP addresses already. Crimes were committed and political “fixers” were likely involved. Whoever they are, they should be exposed.

    Daryl Herbert (14c9cd)

  6. Amazing, Joe Brooks!

    MayBee (081489)

  7. Thank you Joe Brooks & Patterico!

    Miranda (4104db)

  8. Thought so. Was actually thinking Australian pics for some reason, I wonder why I was now.

    How did the pictures get found? I tried tin eye without any useful result

    Sarahw (af7312)

  9. Patterico, have you been able to authenticate the screen caps from earlier? I’m willing to bet that Gennette Cordova is behind Nikki/Marianela.

    Raquel (96295d)

  10. @sarahw tin eye can be easily manipulated by simply cropping the photo in photo shop or flipping it sideways, and it also only tracks “Adult websites”

    Raquel (96295d)

  11. How dumb can they be to use a picture from FB? It’s not like someone won’t find it. Take a picture that’s not on the internet and scan it in.

    Did they think if they fooled Tommy Christopher everyone else would follow his lead? Do they regard TC as some leading journalist respected by all the other bloggers?

    MU789 (649062)

  12. I bet he used the new google image search. I just heard about it yesterday.

    SusanT (355042)

  13. SusanT- on twitter, he says he did use the google image search.

    MayBee (081489)

  14. Joe Brooks has Jen Preston at the NYT in the loop as well (per his twitter) hopefully she is awake & finally gives a damn.

    Miranda (4104db)

  15. but if I had to pick between the fashion and the fun I would choose… fun! That’s my favorite!

    is that shallow?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  16. Mr. P your twitter/joebrooks link is wonky I can figure it out though using my internet skills

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  17. They need to stop dorking around and subpoena the twitter messages/IP addresses already. Crimes were committed and political “fixers” were likely involved. Whoever they are, they should be exposed.

    Comment by Daryl Herbert —

    That’s the bottom line.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  18. Here ’tis happy:

    http://twitter.com/#!/joebrooks

    Miranda (4104db)

  19. Well, I guess that might explain why starchild111 was following and followed by a golfer from Melbourne, Australia.

    cinyc (7b8e92)

  20. I’m trying to figure out what Jen Preston is up to on Twitter. Kinda snarky.

    Also funny GNC unblocked her Twitter feed for the festivities.

    MayBee (081489)

  21. Well, bless him. Wish I’d thought of the new google image search.

    Funny, I looked up a claudia today indirectly related to Marianela. Perhaps a total red herring, but:

    I saw MA’s twitter profile followed the Buckley school before, but today saw she followed Buckley music library, too, an odd thing to follow, a librarian http://twitter.com/#!/buckleylibrary and not just the school…..and saw that the latter only had about 34 followers. I wanted to see what kind of people would be following him.

    Top of that list is a Claudia. Probably just coincidence but it was an odd account itself.

    SarahW (af7312)

  22. Jan Preston is snarky? What about? Why would she be snarky?

    SarahW (af7312)

  23. ” They need to stop dorking around and subpoena the twitter messages/IP addresses already. Crimes were committed and political “fixers” were likely involved. Whoever they are, they should be exposed.

    Comment by Daryl Herbert —

    That’s the bottom line.

    Comment by Dustin — 6/21/2011 @ 8:30 pm ”

    Who’s jurisdiction would it all fall under? Who would have the power of subpoena in this situation?

    breitbartfan77 (e71ad9)

  24. Happs- what? No food and friends?

    MayBee (081489)

  25. What the hell is going on with all of this? I’m so confused. Patterico – any chance of getting a short recap for those of us who stopped following after the victim of a hacking prank quit?

    Markos Mouslitos (440fa7)

  26. I should probably change “perhaps” to “almost certainly” red herring. But had strong urge to click the Claudia.

    A jungian bow wave is much cooler than total chance so I’ll pick the first.

    SarahW (af7312)

  27. Marianela and Nikki are constructed persona’s. Their accounts are controlled by hoaxers, motives undetermined.

    SarahW (af7312)

  28. Oh, That’s hoax Markos. My bad.

    SarahW (af7312)

  29. What the hell is going on with all of this? I’m so confused. Patterico – any chance of getting a short recap for those of us who stopped following after the victim of a hacking prank quit?

    Comment by Markos Mouslitos

    I totally believed this was Kos for 2 seconds. LOL.

    I was amazed at the moment of congeniality from that guy who blames even the Weiner scandal on the right wing.

    Anyway, I agree with this. Patterico: our fragile little minds cannot handle scandals of this magnitude. We need some kind of summary timeline.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  30. Who’s jurisdiction would it all fall under? Who would have the power of subpoena in this situation?

    Comment by breitbartfan77 —

    I think the FBI and DE law enforcement should investigate. Any other jurisdictions that had minors in suspicious contact with Weiner ought to get a warrant if they can. I think a reasonable person would see this circumstance as worthy of suspicion.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  31. Score one (MORE) for the “amateurs”. Boy, Tommy Christopher must be feeling awfully foolish tonight.

    corrcomm (382560)

  32. A person claiming to be Nikki’s dad is raging against Gennette and Jen Preston of the NYT. Says he has all Gennette’s emails and she is a liar. Says he wants to publish everything.

    I am busy compiling everything for a post.

    This is EPIC.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  33. hah food and friends are my other favorite Maybee I’m just funning on Missy’s profile though

    did I tell you about mofongo it’s crazy delicious I’ve been having some every week

    it’s at a restaurant in my new zone called mofongos – same as the dish cause the serve a lot of mofongos

    Dana if you’re reading it’s just a block or so north of Miss Peaches

    you kinda need reservations for dinner cause they’re so small and they’re becoming a Thing – it’s the only puerto rican restaurant in Los Angeles as far as anyone knows

    But it doesn’t cost any money really which is nice. You can get the basic mofongo for $10. There’s lots of odd whatnots to try though so I’ve been ordering crazy lots of food to try everything.

    A big favorite I never had before is boiled yuca root – this is also called cassava root depending on which country you’re eating it in. On wikipedia it says cassava is the world’s #3 source of carbs, and you’ve had it if you’ve had terra chips but usually most American people don’t eat much cassava. They serve it fried like french fries too. But boiled it comes with a garlic sauce. Just eat a little and take the rest home cause you can easily ruin your dinner with it cause it’s very tasty and filling with a very unique texture.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  34. I am so thoroughly lost on this whole mess. I just hope that when all is said and done, someone puts up a comprehensive recap. All this speculation makes my brain hurt.

    tdpwells (67b04b)

  35. cause *they* serve a lot of mofongos I mean

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  36. the mofongos website isn’t serving up the menu right now but it was fine the other day so try later if you’re curious – interestingly there’s a cuban restaurant across the street from mofongo’s – and there should be some overlap in the menus – like the potato balls with meat in them and stuff – but I haven’t checked it out yet. It’s not nearly as busy-looking plus the cook lady at mofongos calls you sweetheart when she comes by the table.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  37. oh and thank you miranda – Joe doesn’t seem to be keeping up with stuff where’s the link to watch Nikki’s dad go postal on seattle snooki?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  38. hah food and friends are my other favorite Maybee I’m just funning on Missy’s profile though

    Yeah happs, that’s where I got it. It was her third interest.

    MayBee (081489)

  39. Verify all.

    Trust no one.

    Twitter is the devil.

    Just sayin’

    elissa (ba6a40)

  40. oh I get it – I just had the little picture to go by cause I wasn’t using my clicking skills on the link

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  41. Finally a real parent gets involved.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  42. Father of “Nikki”….riiiight.

    I am not going to pretend to think it’s possible that this isn’t a complete hoax.

    SarahW (af7312)

  43. if twitter is the devil then facebook’s what keeps the devil up at night

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  44. Well, Gennette now admits speaking with to johnreid9. The same johnreid9 character who, according to a feed supposedly cached by primal.com, tweeted
    “johnreid9 @GennetteC There is alot I’m working on to help defend u and stop this craziness and set the record straight. you are my friend. i miss u. …”

    The plot thickens. Is the cache real? Who is Gennette’s friend, working to defend her?

    cinyc (736db8)

  45. I suppose there is entertainment value in it, and you might get them to make even stupider lies that will be fun to ruin the hoaxer when caught- but I can’t stand it.

    SarahW (af7312)

  46. The pictures are found, and John Reid and Gennette simultaneously decide to be more public.

    It is almost crazy, the timing!

    MayBee (081489)

  47. I want John Reid to release Tommy Christopher’s emails.

    MayBee (081489)

  48. Cinyc someone who purports to be father of “Nikki,” who does not exist except as a sock, and he is working then to get Marienela to “confess” so that the record can be set straight. All “from the hear” you see.

    Oh please make it stop.

    I can’t even pretend. and that hoaxer is going to be caught and I think I know who it is, just not who is behind it and why.

    SarahW (af7312)

  49. It’s drama on an unprecedented scale and it’s happening right now.

    You haven’t checked out my love life.

    Random (8ec277)

  50. I’ll bet this face pie is part of the reason why the Netrooters were so “Wee-Wee’d Up” (Weinered) this weekend up in the Twin Cities.
    The trick bag has collapsed. Nice work.

    Andrew (43525c)

  51. I want John Reid to explode into a million little pieces of electricity.

    SarahW (af7312)

  52. it was Gennette in the study with a rather large dill pickle I think

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  53. It’s drama on an unprecedented scale and it’s happening right now.

    You haven’t checked out my love life

    Random (880603)

  54. kudos to joe for finding the pics. lurve the drama!

    milowent (0f8248)

  55. Cannonfire’s been on the march today, too, (on his blog).

    elissa (ba6a40)

  56. Probably Weiner – 😉

    RB (9a69c5)

  57. Cannonfire? Poor lamb.

    SarahW (af7312)

  58. Why does everything on this story break when I’m on my way to bed?

    Oh, well. Plenty of time to thrash this out in the morning.

    Good night, and great work to Joe Brooks.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  59. Jen Preston lost patience w/ JohnReid9 – she pretty much cut him/her loose when s/he wouldn’t produce a driver’s license.

    http://twitter.com/#!/NYT_JenPreston

    Joe’s engaging john reid 9.

    Quite welcome happy. If there’s a msg re PR I’m not getting it. Except he resigned on the day Obama went to PR – I remembered that – and RAW went to PR because he was following Huma back when Hillary was campaigning.

    Miranda (4104db)

  60. Really pleased with Mr. Brooks. I knew those stolen pics were out there but could not think how they would ever be found.

    SarahW (af7312)

  61. thanks! oh – no message about PR just i like their tasty foozles if you’re in LA you should go try some

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  62. More patience than I will ever have… I guess Mr. Joe will draw out some interesting confabulation.

    The poor hoaxer is very bad at his job.

    SarahW (af7312)

  63. We are having a terrible storm where I live. The winds are howling, trees are shaking and the sky has opened up. There is thunder and lightening as in an epic movie scene. Is this a sign? Is it somehow related related to Weinergate do you think?

    elissa (ba6a40)

  64. looks like Jen of the New York Times is feeling rather beleaguered by mean nasty agenda-driven people

    irony is the thing with feathers what perches in the soul I guess

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  65. better pic of Betty/Nikki/Missy Mazz

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/64048147@N00/298191789/

    sorry happy …. johnreid9’s tweets are protected ….

    Miranda (4104db)

  66. Yes Elissa it is. That’s the rage of the busted hoaxer all around you.

    SarahW (af7312)


  67. 52. It’s drama on an unprecedented scale and it’s happening right now.

    You haven’t checked out my love life

    Aarrrrgh! My eyes!!!

    Bill M (25d866)

  68. poor little turned out aussie wug wug it looks like she makes it work the streets for change

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  69. Dan Riehl (?) finds the flickr stream:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/64048147@N00/298191789/

    MayBee (081489)

  70. i like the orange pumas kinda

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  71. Girl who has that flikr stream is from Sterling Heights, MI.

    MayBee (081489)

  72. Ha ha too much Nancy Drew happy …. was looking for the key in a coded message in the secret diary ….

    Miranda (4104db)

  73. Why bother giving this JohnReid9 guy any credence? He’s fake too… there was a “mark alicea” that followed and was followed by John Reid…

    http://pastebin.com/TmPG1S9u

    http://twitter.com/markali33

    soren (e936bf)

  74. no such thing as too much Nancy Drew unless there’s such a thing as too much justice, which there’s not

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  75. soren,

    Let’s not make judgments right now.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  76. Let it roll on like a river, and righteousness like a never-failing stream ….

    I don’t believe for a sec that johnreid9 is a real father …. just that the more the hoaxers show themselves, the more chances there are to discover who they really are.

    Seems that they’re getting more desperate & taking more chances, contacting Jen Preston too. Getting sloppy ….

    Miranda (4104db)

  77. Let’s not make judgments right now.

    \

    I’ll let you reserve judgement(and we need someone to), but I”m going to judge… this guy is a fake who will give you trumped up drama to muddle things.

    soren (e936bf)

  78. So Gennette said John Reid is how she kept in touch with “nikki reid” when @starchild111 was deleted.
    Weird that she didn’t think they were real, and warned RW off her, but continued to keep in touch.

    MayBee (081489)

  79. GNCordova Gennette Cordova
    @
    @NYT_JenPreston @johnreid9 @leestranahan @wittier John Reid was the account that “Nikki” used to contact me after starchild111 was deleted.
    2 hours ago

    MayBee (081489)

  80. soren, even that attempt would illuminate in a certain way if you think about where this person fits in.

    As unlikely as it seems now, what if there’s actually is a girl behind Betty and a family behind her too, and they may not have been accurately ID’d, and later had their stories twisted, because they were following instructions? At some point, they would get fed up and want the truth to come out.

    Or whatever. I know there are a lot of reasons not to trust him, but I’d like to see what he has to say, and at this point, I think it will be difficult for him to muddle this mud much.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  81. Lee’s going to have “John Reid” on radio in 20 min I think …

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan/2011/06/22/weinergate-more-midnight-betty-john-reid-is-wicked-mad

    check his twitter …

    http://twitter.com/#!/Stranahan

    Miranda (4104db)

  82. Maybe I read Lee’s tweet wrong – maybe he’s just going to talk about the latest developments … sorry.

    Miranda (4104db)

  83. Yeah, he’s asking for John to call in, Miranda, but let’s not hold our breath on that.

    I do hope to see Patterico post these emails.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  84. Here are the Johnreid9 tweets, just a litte prereading before the Lee radio show!

    http://badjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/06/johnreid9-tweets.html

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  85. Does anyone know WHEN these profile pictures were added to the two Twitter feeds? Starchild111’s Twitter photo was an egg or stars in the caches I’ve seen.

    cinyc (736db8)

  86. John Reid’s Twitter style sounds a lot like Patriot.

    MayBee (081489)

  87. Thanks very much Joe Smith.

    So … is this a lot of sound & fury? Are we (well, bloggers) being diverted from something else going on?

    Has johnreid9 just gone underground again? I’m just not buying this pig in a poke.

    Ok, Lee’s about to go on.

    Miranda (4104db)

  88. Funny – Tommy C hasn’t tweeted in 9 hrs (publicly anyway). Not that that means anything one way or the other. Just wondered why he wasn’t in the loop. Curiouser & curiouser.

    Miranda (4104db)

  89. Joe:

    Awesome. That saves me a lot of work.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  90. It will not be tonight. There is too much.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  91. __________________________________________

    what if there’s actually is a girl behind Betty and a family behind her too,

    Real or not, I’d say it’s just about a given that the characters in this story are fans of Weiner and his politics. Of course, there is duplicity on all sides of the ideological spectrum, but something about scroungy progressives like Weiner and Company make them par excellence in doing flim-flam routines.

    BTW, Dustin, I believe you’ve mentioned previously having met Weiner personally and finding him to be a rather likeable guy. But that can be said about almost anyone and everyone. It’s knowing a person below the facade, below the superficial, that really is when the clock starts ticking and the ultimate test begins.

    Mark (411533)

  92. so far this is kinda anti-climactic

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  93. There is certainly a person or persons behind all these shenanigans, but there are no 16 year olds, there are no “real” statements, there is no “Nikki’s Dad” there is no point in entertaining that idea one second longer, except for the comedy potential and potential embarrassment of the prinicipals, and perhaps lying sloppy enough to catch someone out.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if GC DM’d that person or tried to draw them out or feigned interest when suspicous.

    Interlopers in it for the lulz may be the orginal source of this drama or have entered it more lately. But the hoax was always dangling strings and had lots of overacting and I hope to GOD no one wastes another moment pretending JohnReid is a concerned 16 year-old’s Dad who is tossed under the bus, unless the bus is his own Mac-truck leaden efforts at skullduggery and hoaxes.

    They got Tommy. Poor Tommy, too late for a medic.

    SarahW (af7312)

  94. For I am not Nikki Reid, the daughter of John and some lady. No, I’m not. I’m Nick Reid! – the recluse brother of my sister Anthea. Nick Reid, who has finally vindicated his sister’s good name. I am Nick Reid! And I’m not mentally ill, but proud, and lucky, and strong enough to be the woman that was the best part of my manhood. The best part of myself.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  95. So this is where Nikki got her picture? Interesting. She made up a long story about the dog in the picture… his name was Max, named after her dog that she had before him who died.

    Also, tell “Nikki’s Dad” to hurry up and release the emails! I also have all of them… I only sent five.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  96. @Maybee

    Why is it weird that I kept in touch? I knew they were fake from the very beginning. In fact, I continued pretending that I thought they were real until the 6th of June and the only reason I stopped is because I attempted to tip off Tommy Christopher that they were fake and he told “Nikki’s mom”.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  97. Gennette

    did you have any comment about the screen caps allegedly of your DMs that have been popping up on the net?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  98. GennetteC hearts Weiner. She has done nothing but obfuscate and divert since this all started.

    JD (b98cae)

  99. Also, tell “Nikki’s Dad” to hurry up and release the emails! I also have all of them… I only sent five.

    Comment by GennetteC — 6/22/2011 @ 9:36 am

    He gave them up already, but Patterico wants some time to handle publishing them in full, which I believe will happen tonight.

    BTW, isn’t there a twitter archive where John Reid says he misses you? Given all the sockpuppets and reports of phone calls with voice altering, how do we know John Reid isn’t either you or your ally trying to pull a publicity stunt?

    Those clumsy screenshots were easily debunked, but if we had believed them, it would have made you look like a victim.

    Some think the ultimate point of this is to make right wingers look bad by setting them up with phony information, and then laughing if they fall for it.

    It’s entirely possible you’re not involved with that directly. They could just be relying on the fact you will defend yourself from lies. You could have proven those screenshots were lies if anyone had bought that. You could easily prove John Reid’s emails are lies if they turn out to be and we buy that.

    In other words, someone will happily let your name be smeared as a consequence of a prank to attract a lot of lulz at the right wing’s paranoia.

    If that’s what’s going on, send Patterico your version of the exchange. Ask him to publish them unedited. You’re a real person, unlike many of the sockpuppets. I think that would be the best way to head off any potential lies being told about you.

    It’s true that some people think the worst of you, but that’s because they think you’ve been evasive. I think it’s time to switch gears and be direct.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  100. Why is it weird that I kept in touch? I knew they were fake from the very beginning. In fact, I continued pretending that I thought they were real until the 6th of June and the only reason I stopped is because I attempted to tip off Tommy Christopher that they were fake and he told “Nikki’s mom”.

    Well, you have to understand that I am on the outside, working only with your public statements. It’s weird to me because you’ve tried to pretend you are being forthright in your public statements, when in reality you are hiding a lot about what went on.

    MayBee (081489)

  101. Why did you decide to tip off Tommy Christopher? Did you know he was talking to them?

    MayBee (081489)

  102. Can govt IPs be traced if they view or post on this site? Just curious if these threads are being watched.

    SusanT (355042)

  103. Genette- when did you and Weiner exchange phone numbers?

    MayBee (081489)

  104. I knew they were fake from the very beginning.

    That’s true. You’ve operated as though you didn’t believe them, and at least that much has checked out.

    But by now, you have to admit, some of your assumptions were incorrect. For example, Weiner was up to some of this stuff he was accused of.

    Obviously, these sockpuppets are saying things that are hostile to you. But if what they say is so easily proven untrue, then all they are doing is establishing you are a victim and the real motivation was to harm the reputation of anyone gullible enough to believe their accusations.

    As Maybee notes, your behavior is weird and evasive, Gennette. This twitter stuff, with multiple accounts, seems childish at best, since you don’t have to shut down an account to avoid talking to someone. It seems like you’ve often wanted to fan the flames a bit.

    It would be wild speculation to say you were on both sides of this conversation, using a sockpuppet for John, but it’s not impossible.

    Anyway, I’d rather give you the benefit of the doubt here. You obviously do not want us to think the things John was saying are true, and you apparently have proof in these emails. He’s sharing them all, so I think you’re free to do so as well, and that’s a good way to head off lies being believed.

    Another wild speculation that isn’t impossible is that someone out there is simply not worried about whether this entire mess harms your reputation. Think about it.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  105. Isn’t it a little weird to be talking to a US Congressman about which sock puppets are following him on Twitter?

    I can see why he might be interested, considering that he knew what he was up to and he might have feared that information getting out.
    I can’t say I understand why he still had interaction with Ethel, considering he was being told there were sock puppets about.

    But for Gennette- what did she think she was doing? Why did she think a Congressman would be interested in Twitter games>

    MayBee (081489)

  106. As Maybee notes, your behavior is weird and evasive, Gennette. This twitter stuff, with multiple accounts, seems childish at best, since you don’t have to shut down an account to avoid talking to someone.

    My behavior isn’t weird and evasive. I’ve actually been very open about all of this. In fact, lots of people know about my communications with Nikki… just because I don’t share this information with a certain group of people doesn’t mean I’m evasive.

    And I deleted my old account because I didn’t want 2000 followers who were all strangers. I couldn’t go through and block 2000 people.
    :)

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  107. Why did she think a Congressman would be interested in Twitter games>

    I don’t know. That’s a good question. When I’ve interacted with Rep Weiner or anyone else in such a lofty position (in my own peon role), I was overwhelmed with the big picture instead of this stupid drama. Weiner has things to say about national security and health care.

    I think it’s odd that someone would be concerned with damage control on twitter from weird sockpuppets before they realized Weiner was sending out sleazy messages. And I guess it sounds like I’m accusing Cordova of knowing about that behavior. I mean, she did appear flirty, and he obviously would have sent her sexual messages, right? Maybe he didn’t. All I know is that I don’t know. And really, I don’t even care. I assumed she felt she was caught red handed when she deleted everything in her background online, but honestly, I don’t even care.

    What I do care about is whether Weiner was sexting minors, and if his online accounts, deleted messages, etc, have been given the same scrutiny a non-congressman in this situation would get. That’s important.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  108. My behavior isn’t weird and evasive.

    I wasn’t trying to insult you, though I understand why it would look that way. You’re not handling this how I’d expect you to, was my point. That doesn’t mean you’re the bad guy… just that it’s difficult for me to grok.

    I don’t really even care. If you’re being smeared, Gennette, I want you to be vindicated, even. Better yet, I want you to preempt the smear. The best way to do that is to get your side of this out there.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  109. The idea that she has not been evasive is laughable.

    JD (85b089)

  110. JD, it got a chuckle out of me, but I’m not worried about proving anything about Cordova’s behavior. I think the bus is on its way to seattle, and the undercarriage has her name on it.

    I’ve thought that for a while. Cordova is just some student. Any effort to try to spin this scandal was bound to screw her over. Even if she was part of the spinning. Which, let’s be honest, it’s damn hard to avoid believing.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  111. I think Katie Couric should interview Gennette. She’d get to the bottom of it. Then we’ll know what’s been going on. Katie’s a very smart and thorough interviewer.

    elissa (056aeb)

  112. there’s still way more questions than answers at this point

    that little new york times cookie has a busy day ahead of her yet

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  113. BTW, what would be the best way to deal help Weiner right now? If he’s guilty of some of the more serious charges, or wishes to have a political future (he’s got $4million+ in his mayor campaign fund, IIRC)?

    It would be to complexify this scandal to the point where it’s extremely difficult to follow, and people just throw their hands up and give up trying to understand it. This isn’t an issue of national implications… it’s just Weiner’s behavior. People will naturally note such a scandal is not worth the tremendous work it would take to understand or discuss fairly.

    And if complexifying this narrative requires smearing Cordova/unsmearing her repeatedly, so people are confused about whether she’s a victim or a villain, Weiner would benefit greatly from that.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  114. Oh, Katie would do a great interview. And then Jon Stewart could interview her. He could ask her “How are you holding up?” a la John Kerry.

    Miranda (4104db)

  115. just because I don’t share this information with a certain group of people doesn’t mean I’m evasive.

    When the certain group of people you won’t share with is the general public and non-friendly reporters, yeah…that’s kind of evasive.

    You don’t have to share. But when you play peek-a-boo as you do, you can’t keep people from noticing. Saying “Well, I tell some people some things!” doesn’t make you sound less evasive.

    MayBee (081489)

  116. Well said, Maybee.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  117. I’m sorry I don’t share all of my information with you guys. You must forgive me… I guess you could say that I’ve been discriminatory.
    It could have something to do with the fact that I don’t trust any of you. But again, I apologize for not divulging all of my info… to you.

    GennetteC (28d98c)

  118. I don’t trust you either cause you’re kind of a weiner slut.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  119. Did Gennette say she saw the picture or dint’ she?

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  120. Would you trust us if we sent you pictures of us in our underpants? :p

    RB (064bd8)

  121. You will be an excellent JounoLista, Gennette. And you are an excellent shill for Weinertweeters.

    JD (d48c3b)

  122. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. The truth really has no agenda. Dangling tidbits of info like bait isn’t indicative of an honest person – but of someone who enjoys power & control over others – kind of like Weiner. In fact, he had quite a bit of power over you, Gennette, in addition to the rest of his Twitter harem.

    How someone who views herself as a strong, intelligent, independent woman can still cover up for a powerful man who treated women as simply objects of his masturbatory fantasies is beyond me.

    Miranda (4104db)

  123. Gennette, if you are who you say you are, how do you pay your bills? What are your income sources? Do you have a job? You sure seem to have a lot of time to monitor specific people and blogs, and tweet at all hours of the day and night. Just sayin’.

    elissa (056aeb)

  124. I’m sorry I don’t share all of my information with you guys. You must forgive me… I guess you could say that I’ve been discriminatory.
    It could have something to do with the fact that I don’t trust any of you. But again, I apologize for not divulging all of my info… to you.

    Comment by GennetteC

    Then what I do not understand is why come here and say anything? It makes no sense to come just to say “I’m not going to tell you anything that makes any sense. I will just dangle weird bits of info and then run.” You are playing games. Silly tease games.

    tier (4a939c)

  125. It could have something to do with the fact that I don’t trust any of you.

    This doesn’t make any sense.

    You’re supposed to be a journalist, right? Your need to trust people before you share information is a very strong indicator you think that information is harmful to you, and you need to control it. So you’ll only share it with people who you can trust to massage their coverage in a way you want.

    A real journalist will just lay it all out. Let the truth speak for itself.

    Happyfeet’s comment suggests he’s under the impression you were sexting Weiner back and forth. You can’t really pretend it’s outrageous for someone to think this. Weiner was unable to resist doing so with all these other women, so why would he have had a conversation with you starting with you calling him boyfriend, ending with him sending his penis photo, and completely professional in the secret part you don’t want to share 100%?

    You’re not seeing the big picture, Cordova (God I am so sick of accidentally making puns).

    The big picture is that you are greatly elevated if you soberly cover every step of what’s gone on with you and Weiner, you and these sockpuppets like John Reid, you and the NYT reporter, you and Tommy, etc. Some of this probably doesn’t make you look the way you want to look. That’s the only way to explain how you’ve played peekaboo and selectively doled out information.

    But you’re a young lady, Cordova. Most people can accept that a young person got caught up in all this. Especially if that person has the journalist chops to later cover exactly what happened without this selective reporting crap, and with a willingness to answer all questions.

    Patterico said he didn’t expect you to answer these questions:

    1) You tell Aaron:

    And you can ask the Times reporter. I showed him everything I had. How would I have every conversation?

    Commenter soren notes that the NYT article said:

    Ms. Cordova provided a portion of her communications with Mr. Weiner to The Times, in which they messaged back and forth about the online detractors and their tactics. But Ms. Cordova would not make all of her interaction with him available for review.

    How do you resolve this apparent contradiction?

    2) Did you come up with the “someone grabbed Ethel’s phone” theory on your own? Have you talked to Ethel about it?

    3) How often did you talk to Ethel before this scandal? How about after? How about Betty and/or Veronica? How about Rep. Weiner?

    4) Did you tell Rep. Weiner you lived in Seattle before that famous tweet?

    5) Would you agree to have Twitter release all your DMs with Congressman Weiner?

    6) If you are telling the truth that you did not flirt with Weiner, then how would you characterize his sending you that picture? Reckless? Bad judgment? Sexual harassment?

    7) You say “WTF” to Aaron re the idea that Weiner would talk “cape and tights” with you. So: what is your reaction to the fact that he talked about “tights and cape shit” with a 17-year-old?

    Personally, I think you can answer them and even if some of the answers don’t make you look like a nun, your reputation will be elevated. Most people are not up to this kind of fairness or qualified to be journalists (most journalists aren’t, to be sure). Are you?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  126. I think seattle snooki should ponder the question of whether or not we’d be exactly right here where we are in this situation if weinerdouche had been an R

    I know we would be and you know we would be and Mr. P would be right there where he is and Mr. Stranahan would be right where he is, and that Ace fellow and et cetera. But I don’t think seattle understands this.

    And I know the propaganda tart from the New York Times doesn’t understand this.

    But I don’t see what’s so darn mysterious about it.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  127. I’m sorry I don’t share all of my information with you guys. You must forgive me… I guess you could say that I’ve been discriminatory.

    Or I can say you’ve been evasive.

    MayBee (081489)

  128. W@hich, of course, leads us to ask what you are really trying to accomplish.

    Hint. It isn’t what you are telling us your motives are. Miranda has it right you are on a power/ego trip.

    tier (4a939c)

  129. In fact, lots of people know about my communications with Nikki…..
    But Tommy C is still confused, even with all of your “tipping off”

    goatsred (b20383)

  130. I know we would be and you know we would be and Mr. P would be right there where he is and Mr. Stranahan would be right where he is, and that Ace fellow and et cetera. But I don’t think seattle understands this.

    And I know the propaganda tart from the New York Times doesn’t understand this.

    It’s interesting to me that they assume the worst of us, but then, if you think about these people, they are bitter partisans. they shut down their ability to see honest moderates or conservatives. I mean… NYT reporters do not have a very good reputation for understanding the world. Weiner followers are often there because they perceive Weiner as extremely hostile to conservatives. Many of them really don’t understand that we’d be just as interested in uncovering this behavior from a republican. And Tommy Christopher? Let’s not get started on him.

    This is Patterico, the guy who is criticized tens of thousands of times for calling Obama a “good man” and disagreeing loudly with Rush Limbuagh and Mark Levin. This isn’t an echo chamber for partisanship.

    So Cordova got off on the wrong foot with a very fair interview request because she assumes the worst of us. I think it would be easy to get past that if she answers all the reasonable questions. Or maybe she really can’t figure that out, and is destined to be seen as an evasive hack. Such is life.

    The NYT reporter looks quite bad for how she reacted to Patterico at first, but later, she appeared to be willing to have a more intelligent exchange about this. A lot of lefties in places like the NYT are partisan spinners who occasionally realize they’ve been unfair and try to fix it.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  131. seattle snooki. omg.

    MayBee (081489)

  132. It’s funny, because ordinarily people think I’m very funny, and next to happyfeet I’m just as dull as Donald Frum.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  133. Seattle Snooki is hysterical.

    JD (3ad5b9)

  134. “NYT_JenPreston @DanRiehl Lady, U are not in the least bit frightening. At all. Maybe if U were writer for Biggovernment. NYT has no weight about 1 hour ago via web in reply to NYT_JenPreston”
    –re that series of tweets posted at bad journalist

    Sockpuppet daddy likes biggovernment?– this doesn’t fit Nikki’s sockmommys’ profile in TC’s article. One sockparent loves Weiner and the other sockparent loves Breitbart? Are the sockpuppets going back to the storyline they were feeding goatsred?

    Heads up and Be careful guys.

    SherlockHomes (d77c52)

  135. Yeah, Sherlock, the writing is on the wall that the intention here is to portray John as a right winger.

    My guess is that his emails will be easily disproven. Is that why Cordova is here, telling us nothing other than that she won’t tell us anything and that this isn’t evasive? Seems like a good way to push the rabble to leap to whatever John Reid’s messages accuse Cordova of.

    If the next step is to prove the messages are fraudulent, this is just another slightly less clumsy version of the screencap hoax. And again, there’s a real possibility that some of the hoax wasn’t a hoax at all (the Cordova flirting may have been legit and the DM conspiracy talk may be a smokescreen to make it all look phony).

    It all goes back to what relationship Cordova and Reid had that would justify him saying he misses her. She didn’t react to that as though it was weird, so what does that mean? I honestly can’t say, but I do know someone is trying to trick us.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  136. will they portray Alcee Hastings as a right winger?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  137. Gennette C-
    Happy to see you’re here. Can you please explain the following cached tweet, supposedly sent to you from Betty’s Sockfather, assuming the indirect cache of it isn’t a lie:

    “johnreid9 @GennetteC There is alot I’m working on to help defend u and stop this craziness and set the record straight. you are my friend. i miss u. …”

    How was the Sockfather defending you and stopping the craziness when the Betty and the Sockfather wasn’t a major part of the story in late May, when which this cached tweet seems to be dated? Defending you against what, exactly?

    Thanks.

    cinyc (cf0a66)

  138. The sockpuppets are hamstrumg from their preconceptions that their enemies are that stupid, or maybe these sockpuppets view themselves as that smart. The achilles heel of every con artist sitting in jail today.

    Well, welcome to our world little socks, but don’t complain when you get burned.

    SherlockHomes (d77c52)

  139. I long for the day when we can stop referring to the word “sockpuppet.

    goatsred (b20383)

  140. goatsred,
    That day will never come, as long as human nature remains what it is.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (a18ddc)

  141. I am still at a bit of a loss. Try to follow Dustin’s comments, since he seems to have the best grasp on things.

    1)Unclear as to the possible jail offense crimes potentially committed here.

    Tampering with federal communications?

    Aiding and abetting the commission of a felony in hiding material evidence of a known criminal enterprise?

    A plot to damage a business or individual with stolen information in order to enhance a political point of view?

    2)Not sure how a question asking “why are we to believe x” is a leading question. Those who seem inclined to “befriend” the disgraced Congressman seem to have quite a few excuses and alibis for not answering straightforward questions.

    3)Who is Archie? The way this is shaking out, does his name more likely reference the Jughead or Meathead milieu?

    4)Is this an elaborate “turn the tables on Breitbart…James O’Keefe style…” bungle in the internet jungle clumsy, oafish, inane and incompetent copycat caper? Payback for ACORN and Planned Parenthood that backfired?

    Dustin, help me out here.

    cfbleachers (19e5f4)

  142. remember betty’s mom’s statement: “I would also like to add, that if this image with my daughter’s name appears or if her name or image appears in print anywhere or the image of her friend, both my husband and I and her classmate’s parents will be taking legal action against all blogs, members of the media that have published this information/images. We advise you to take it down immediately or you will deal with our attorneys.”

    LOL.

    milowent (bc04ac)

  143. Milowent , TommmyX should expose what it is he’s hiding to protect the puppets.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  144. 4)Is this an elaborate “turn the tables on Breitbart…James O’Keefe style…” bungle in the internet jungle clumsy, oafish, inane and incompetent copycat caper? Payback for ACORN and Planned Parenthood that backfired?

    Liberty Chick seems to think so. She’s noted that such a twitter adventure was conducted in the past.

    1)Unclear as to the possible jail offense crimes potentially committed here.

    Weiner’s resignation has done a good job deflating the call for investigations of what was quite a hard core coverup effort. I wish I could speculate intelligently about what crimes were committed, but the reason you need help understanding this is because any honest person is confused about this mess.

    2)Not sure how a question asking “why are we to believe x” is a leading question.

    NYT reporter Jen Preston had a lot of gags mocking Patterico as a prosecutor. I think it was an attempt to be lighthearted in evading Patterico’s point that much of her article clearly portrayed Betty et al as a right wing sting operation, which is far from clear. Again, honest people have to note they do not know what the hell is going on. No, the kind of question you’re noting isn’t a leading question. Any “why?” question isn’t. Any “is it the case that x,y,z” is. I realize you don’t need me to explain that to you.

    3)Who is Archie? The way this is shaking out, does his name more likely reference the Jughead or Meathead milieu?

    I think this is just taking the metaphor too far. Anthony Weiner would be Archie, since he’s the pervert who was either really courting these kids or wasn’t really courting them. Turns out, the kids may not even exist.

    I’m sorry I’m not able to help you gain insight or clarity about this.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  145. LOL.

    Comment by milowent

    Yeah, um… yeah.

    LOL. How else to interpret that than an effort to keep minimal scrutiny on the aspects that would expose that this was a hoax?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  146. Tommy, where are you? Only one public tweet in the past 24 hrs … no stories at Mediaite since Monday 6/20 at 5:58 pm …. and there was no WH briefing today. Very quiet on the Tommy X front.

    Nice update from Prudence Paine, who calls on Tommy to release the fake ID’s:

    http://prudencepaine.com/2011/06/22/weiner-update-which-one-does-not-belong/

    Yet another Starchild111 account as well. Bizarre.

    Miranda (4104db)

  147. It’s time for Tommy Christopher to release the faked photo IDs. The girls featured in the avatars are in no way underage any longer. Show us what the hoaxers used to fool you into believing them. There’s nothing left that’s truthful to protect on the IDs. There once was a point where it was prudent to withhold the faked IDs from public view. But now, they’ve been fully exposed as liars and thieves. Protecting them now is akin to abetting them.

    From Prudence’s blog via Miranda’s link.

    Yes. The photo they used was of a model who is neither a minor or involved. Tommy’s excuse that he is protecting whoever is in the photo is now defeated utterly. I predict yet another mumbling evasion from this now completely ruined ‘reporter’ who doesn’t report anything that turns out to be truth.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  148. I bet he used the new google image search. I just heard about it yesterday.

    Comment by SusanT — 6/21/2011 @ 8:17 pm

    Try this for image matching, been around for awhile:

    http://www.tineye.com

    Jay S (c0ffd8)

  149. 132. Sherlock.

    JR9 Tweets say the family members were and remain fans of Weiner.

    I saw that tweet about Big Gov’t. Maybe mentioned because AB reportedly got info on this story from anti-AW crew and decided not to publish? Isn’t that what TC original piece is headlined as?

    Tweets seem to be focused on how various parties treated family, the girls, in his perception. Don’t seem to be about general political leanings.

    koam (7c1f46)

  150. “It’s time for Tommy Christopher to release the faked photo IDs. The girls featured in the avatars are in no way underage any longer.”

    But as Tommy assured everyone during his StageRight interview: the story of the two underaged girls is still true, because he has other sources (yet undisclosed evidence) which collaborate the evidence of his fake sources.

    They are underaged because Tommy declares it to be so. Yea, Tommy on high hath spoken the word, and you heretics better believe him.

    His reputation is dust.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  151. Someone contact Iowahawk and ask him to write about the logic of TommyC

    bmertz (d77c52)

  152. Tommy’s ‘don’t analyze or speculate! I have secret info!’ demand seems more and more egregious as his claims fall by the wayside.

    Not to mention he was happy to speculate. He’s been amazingly hypocritical. He screamed at those who shared any aspect of his emails, or followed his sources, but he also selectively shared his Markos emails (leaving out that parts where Markos pointing out flaws in Tommy’s claims). Granted, Markos is a jerk, but that doesn’t change the point here.

    Every step, Tommy’s been trying hard to reduce the scrutiny on any detail. As it became clearer his sources were frauds, he went the opposite direction from what’s natural. He asked for less scrutiny, not more. He repeated his claims they are telling the truth, instead of sharing his work so we could see for ourselves.

    There is no doubt: Tommy Christopher is hiding something he feels is important. He’s the story, not the reporter. Don’t waste your breath asking him for anything.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  153. Don’t know if that’s the real GenneteC or not, but if it is, that’s sad. I believed she was telling the truth when she claimed she was the one who wrote the statement released by the press, and I further believed that she was telling the truth throughout, albeit hiding certain details (which anyone would do). But it seems now that she was just a schemer, manipulating the public to advance the cause of a crooked liar. Sad. She sold her soul to a guy who wouldn’t piss on her if she was on fire, and she doesn’t even know it. Celtics fans are supposed to better than that.

    Lincolntf (85daa5)

  154. Oh, I see Gennette was here.

    I guess she doesn’t trust us with the truth because it is unflattering to her friends and things she cares about.

    SarahW (af7312)

  155. “Tommy’s been trying hard to reduce the scrutiny on any detail. As it became clearer his sources were frauds, he went the opposite direction from what’s natural. He asked for less scrutiny, not more. He repeated his claims they are telling the truth”

    Tommy on high has declared that his fake witnesses are still accurate sources.

    Sound familiar?

    So does his ratherlike ego.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  156. I don’t want to say much about Archie because he may be a minor and is only tangentially related to anything, but Archie appears to be a real high school student who seemingly tweeted that he was watching a real baseball game, perhaps on TV, with Betty and Veronica in mid-May. Archie also might have followed and/or been followed by this johnreid9 account at one time, if a cached Google result is to be believed. The media supposedly has reached out to Archie and claims he said he knows nothing about Betty or Veronica.

    cinyc (cf0a66)

  157. I guess she doesn’t trust us with the truth because it is unflattering to her friends and things she cares about.

    Comment by SarahW

    yeah. Bottom line, Cordova is very interested in what we think, hence the repeated visits. She has every motivation to use whatever is at her disposal that would change the extremely negative impression some have of her. And she can’t.

    But actually, I think she can. She doesn’t have to be the pawn LincolnTF sees. She can grow into a journalist who soberly covers even the aspects of this story she isn’t proud of, showing objectivity the only way that is possible: by not embargoing the facts she’s not pleased with.

    I would bet a lot that if she doesn’t take that path, she will eventually realize what a mistake that was.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  158. Archie appears to be a real high school student who seemingly tweeted

    Yeah, I’d just rather people not strain the comic book metaphor too far.

    There’s so little to go on about what this person or sockpuppet said anyway.

    As far as I’m concerned, anyway.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  159. Tommie Xtopher is a ginormous mendoucheous twatwaffle, who in a story full of them, has managed to be more festering and ooze just a little more than most.

    JD (4ce9c5)

  160. But it seems now that she was just a schemer, manipulating the public to advance the cause of a crooked liar. Sad. She sold her soul to a guy who wouldn’t piss on her if she was on fire, and she doesn’t even know it.

    Young, dumb and naive.
    She’s making teenager-age level choices and mistakes. A wanna-be con-artist is very much in over her head. She won’t be the first dead body left behind in the wake of an older con artist and possible love interest.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  161. And yes, cfbleachers, if this is shaking out the way I expect it might, Jughead might be a more appropriate name than Archie. But Archie is a more neutral moniker if we don’t know what we don’t know. By using the Archie moniker, I’m not implying that the person in question was a leader in this. I think he is just tangentially involved and deserves some privacy.

    cinyc (cf0a66)

  162. Dustin- Yeah, she could certainly come out of this stronger and better qualified, and that is my hope. But a habit of lying, covering-up, and misdirecting is not a solid foundation for a journalism career (unless the NYT is hiring, of course, where those are requirements).
    I’m still holding out hope that she’s not the villain in this cover-up, but it’s tough to maintain.

    Lincolntf (85daa5)

  163. Would you trust us if we sent you pictures of us in our underpants? :p

    Comment by RB — 6/22/2011 @ 11:01 am

    I’m in the middle of working out, and I keep thinking of this comment and laughing and laughing.

    MayBee (081489)

  164. If y saw me in your underpants, you would laugh, and certainly would not trust me.

    JD (4ce9c5)

  165. I am so ready for football season.

    JD (4ce9c5)

  166. it’ll suck though if the start of football season steps all over the end of weiner season

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  167. What’s going to suck is when Weiner wins the mayoral election because it’s practically impossible to explain the ins and outs of this scandal, and his opponents will find it irresistible to try.

    This will establish a new blueprint for crowdsourcing the handling of corruption charges. Those who have assisted Weiner in covering this up are profoundly unpatriotic people.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  168. I think Weiner has some pix in girls underwear, no? This idea of a comeback intrigues me. Could I make the ads for his opponent?

    JD (4ce9c5)

  169. They don’t let racists make ads anymore, unless it’s about JAnice Hahn.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  170. people you meet they all seem to know you

    even your old friends treat you like you’re something new

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  171. Were you planning on sending pix of you in your underpants, MayBee?!

    JD (4ce9c5)

  172. 😉

    JD (4ce9c5)

  173. I will send some to Gennette. She seems to like undie shots.

    MayBee (081489)

  174. Okay, that is just so unfair.

    JD (4ce9c5)

  175. I will send some to Gennette. She seems to like undie shots

    Careful, your undies could end up as on a sockpuppet tweet

    bmertz (d77c52)

  176. Latest Acorn slogan: “Undies For Jobs”.

    Looking like Gennette and Raw assumed two different meanings..

    Cap'n John's Nephew (70eb22)

  177. I just got a new bathing suit. Vintage waist. http://idiva.com/slideshow-style-beauty/top-10-bikini-trends/4384/10 It’s red though. And I can’t say with certitude that is me.

    SarahW (af7312)

  178. that’s awesome very Mad Men

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  179. fashion and fun fun and fashion love it love it

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  180. I just like saying the word “underpants”. It’s a fun word.

    RB (af34db)

  181. Interesting that GennetteC says Nikki claimed her dog’s name is Max.

    That comes up in one of her DMs.

    And koam and I both received that from johnreid9 before Gennette made that comment.

    This is extra corroboration, which I appreciate.

    Also, the email address from the emails supposedly from Gennette, being sent to me by johnreid9, is the same as the email address used by GennetteC in these comments.

    More corroboration.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  182. Gennette was also kind enough to confirm on her Twitter account that johnreid9 is the account Nikki used to contact her.

    More corroboration.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  183. We’re patiently awaiting these emails, P.

    If there’s anything I can do to help, you know my email.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  184. Lotta work to do, Dustin.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  185. Assuming the GennetteC posting here is the real Gennette Cordova – of course.

    If Gennette is still lurking here, she still hasn’t answered my question:

    Can you please explain the following cached tweet, supposedly sent to you from Betty’s Sockfather (assuming the indirect cache of it isn’t a fake):

    “johnreid9 @GennetteC There is alot I’m working on to help defend u and stop this craziness and set the record straight. you are my friend. i miss u. …”

    How was johnreid9 defending you and stopping the craziness when Betty and johnreid9 weren’t a major part of the story in late May, when this cached tweet seems to be dated? Defending you against what, exactly?

    cinyc (42f9b0)

  186. Lotta work to do, Dustin.

    Comment by Patterico —

    We’ll wait. Best to handle this one carefully, I imagine.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  187. #185: That message was apparently from “Nikki” using the @johnreid9 account after she deleted “her” twitter account.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  188. I want to know when snooks is gonna apologize for this twaddle:

    The account that these tweets were sent from was familiar to me; this person had harassed me many times after the Congressman followed me on Twitter a month or so ago. Since I had dealt with this person and his cohorts before I assumed that the tweet and the picture were their latest attempts at defaming the Congressman and harassing his supporters.

    that was what preceded the Smoking Gun’s vile unsigned lynching of Mr. Stack, who had earnestly tried to warn snooks that Mr. Weiner was decidedly less than the wholesome progressive stawart she naively supposed him to be

    if only she had listened

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  189. *stalwart* I mean

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  190. This is also pretty snortworthy, happs:

    I also do not have a clear understanding as to how or why exactly I am involved in this fiasco. I do know that my life has been seriously impacted by speculation and faulty allegations. My reputation has been called into question by those who lack the character to report the facts.

    1. Pretty sure she knew how involved she was in this fiasco when she wrote that.

    2. What was she just telling us about her lack of desire to report the facts?

    MayBee (081489)

  191. The IP for GennetteC’s comments resolves to Bellingham, Washington. That’s where she lives.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  192. ==if only she had listened==

    There’s an old saying about that, Mr. Feets. “hindsight is 20-20.”

    Perhaps Gennette is too young to be familiar with it, though.

    elissa (4eb04a)

  193. if only she had listened

    Comment by happyfeet

    It’s striking that she didn’t seem bothered that Weiner did turn out to be exactly what she was warned: using twitter and his younger lady political supporters for sexting. She never apologized for claiming the truth was defamatory to Weiner, as far as I know, but I’ve missed much of this so perhaps I’m mistaken.

    And indeed, I think Cordova’s claims which Happyfeet quoted are the primary factor in the smearing of innocent people. She sounded like she knew for sure who ‘hacked’ and harassed her and smeared Weiner. She claimed this was merely a latest attempt in a period of ‘harassment’ that we now can safely assume never occurred at all.

    And Mike Stack was screwed. He’s not alone there.

    But does this mean Cordova was lying, or was she convinced by Weiner and his allies to see something that wasn’t really happening, and then got carried away to the point of exaggerating her case and missing the real world impact on real, innocent people.

    She could do a lot of good by offering a full apology for her role in that, however large or small, and truly make good on it by offering an example of objective journalism that covered what she’s really been up to.

    I worry that what’s about to happen is a pack of lies will be told, with a fair amount of truth mixed in, and sorting one from the other will be beyond our ability. It’s clear a major intention of these emails will be to expose Cordova, and she should consider how poorly positioned she is to credibly refute anything said about her.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  194. I don’t get it MayBee if we as humble Americans have learned anything from the great leader that was Mr. Anthony Weiner it’s that full immediate disclosure is the exclusive path of righteousness when one is beset with Controversy and Scandal.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  195. The “Corroboration” business sounds ominous but it just makes me groan.

    Genette, for all her flouncing has not denied corresponding with the whatzitnikki, or trying to draw them out. I don’t know if it’s so that she knew RIGHT AWAY Nikki was a fat faker, but talking is the sort of thing that kind of makes it plain.

    Why wouldn’t a green 21 yr old who is smart enough not to know how dopey she can be, try to outfox them and boost her importance in flirtybuddy congressman’s eyes?

    I’m losing patience with anyone who accepts any sort of injury on the part of “JohnReid9″ who in his busted OUTRAGE is in here ready to swingduplicitous niceness of Gennette around, as if it meant anything but that she was too clever by half.

    SarahW (af7312)

  196. I want to know if Anthony Weiner encouraged Cordova to risk herself by running a political scam. She is old enough to have better judgement, but young enough to be impressionable and easily manipulated by someone she admires. Whether he influenced her decisions or not, she owes Mike Stack, a non-public figure, a very public apology for slandering his reputation.

    If Cordova is responsible for slandering a non-public figure to the media, she could face some real legal slap down. If she is innocent then she needs to do some CYA by indicating who was responsible. If she is involved then Gennette needs to wake up and realize this game could end up ruining her future. The clock is ticking.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  197. Wonder what Huma and Tony are up to this week. It’s kind of the media to give them some space, though–not intruding into their family life–giving them some well deserved peace and privacy out of the public eye.

    elissa (4eb04a)

  198. Here is what it is corroboration of.

    It is corroboration of certain aspects of what I am being sent.

    Such as the fact that JohnReid9 account is from same source as starchild111 account. And that JohnReid9 account really did correspond with Nikki.

    If you want to pre-fly into a rage over what my post is going to say before you read it, why don’t you wait until you read it. Save yourself the effort.

    But yes, this is indeed corroboration of certain things.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  199. http://shortformblog.tumblr.com/

    The Weinergate Saga that Never Ends is # 1 on tumblr

    http://shortformblog.tumblr.com/tagged/weinergate

    Kind of glossing and spinning of the evidence to fit the narrative it seems.

    ltw (370236)

  200. I’m losing patience with pronouncements of what we supposedly know about all this, which pronouncements always seem to outstrip the facts we actually have.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  201. Leave a note on Tumblr, Patterico. Short Form….if you can. Or maybe Lee Stranahan. Just a thought. You guys are doing great work.

    ltw (370236)

  202. Patterico, you should expect a lot of people trying to distill this by making assumptions or drawing conclusions. It’s damn near impossible to avoid, just to wrap one’s brain around this story.

    Sarah can’t avoid it because, frankly, so much around these people has been fake. I know that could just mean they have been very very very careful about concealing who they are, but that’s a burden that will be hard to overcome.

    Losing patience is practically a necessary feature of this scandal by now, anyway.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  203. Patrick, i’ll speak for myself. I apologise for thinking it possible hat you will ever in any way imply that the cavalcade of hoax personas is anything but because genette buddied up.

    I should have realized that you were trying to ascertain if this were an interloping person who had no connection to the previous account.

    Again, I speak for myself, but John Reid is not an aggrieved father, but a liar who continues to lie,s for “his” own reasons not well understood by me.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  204. John Reid is not an aggrieved father, but a liar who continues to lie,s for “his” own reasons not well understood by me.

    I’ll be shocked if you’re wrong, but I’ve been shocked before.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  205. I plan to let the stuff I publish speak for itself.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  206. we should have a musics while we wait!

    brb

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  207. here hey hey injuns a comin!

    this is a real treat for you this is one of those lost albums you never find your whole life unless maybe if you try amazon and they have it or whatever

    it’s partly by the neville brothers back when they were wee lads – but it’s just a bunch of 70s orleans music peoples including some very authentical ethnic types – creole or whatever I have no idea – but it sounds very authentic

    I can only find 3 songs

    here is another but it’s not my favorite

    this
    one is! mostly cause of the funky.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  208. SarahW’s record in these matters is very how to say?

    most excellent, really

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  209. I went straight to the funky – love those low down durtay ways.

    My feets are slidin’ cross da floor now, happy.

    Miranda (4104db)

  210. So do internet hoaxers put that on their 1040 where it asks for “occupation” I wonder.

    elissa (4eb04a)

  211. i work here is done

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  212. We indians are pretty funky, it’s true.

    RB (3a32bf)

  213. ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶

    So do internet hoaxers put that on their 1040 where it asks for “occupation” I wonder.

    Comment by elissa

    As far as euphamisms go, “Network Engineer” isn’t bad.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  214. Thanks so much, Dustin, for taking the time with my inquiries.

    One point of clarification that was unclear, I think. The reference to Archie I made, was a question whether this was an attempt to ensnare non-leftists in a leg trap…and my question was whether the Archie handle was therefore to Archie Bunker, rather than Archie Andrews.

    As for the Preston “dodge” by asserting a perfectly legitimate question was “leading”, was somewhat rhetorical. Pat asked a very sound, logical question. He got back a dodge, a bob, a weave and some weasel words.

    As I see this unfold, every single person connected to the left side of the political spectrum and with an attachment to journalism, has acted irresponsibly, has comported themselves with a lack of respect for the rules of journalistic ethics and has furthered the notion that partisan scheming, hiding of material facts, distortion and lack of objectivity rule the day.

    In a story that lacks a shred of integrity from the onset, that glaring fact stands out among all the rest of the stench of this sad affair.

    cfbleachers (19e5f4)

  215. The reference to Archie I made, was a question whether this was an attempt to ensnare non-leftists in a leg trap…and my question was whether the Archie handle was therefore to Archie Bunker, rather than Archie Andrews.

    Ah. You caught me being a bit ignorant here.

    Anyway, Archie refers to a boy that we know little about. What little some have claimed he said some others have claimed he’s denied. I’d rather keep the focus on Weiner, and how he appears to be escaping a full investigation where law enforcement looks at his online accounts.

    every single person connected to the left side of the political spectrum and with an attachment to journalism, has acted irresponsibly, has comported themselves with a lack of respect for the rules of journalistic ethics and has furthered the notion that partisan scheming, hiding of material facts, distortion and lack of objectivity rule the day.

    I agree. It’s been something to behold watching these people spin away furiously, and when proven wrong, not miss a beat as they find a new way to spin. It’s sheer hackery.

    Anyway, sorry I couldn’t help. I do think Sarah W and Maybee are the more informed commenters on this story anyway.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  216. Archie is extremely tangential to the story and only potentially helps answer whether Betty and Veronica actually exist, or, if they don’t, what type of characters they might be. Archie has nothing to do with Weiner.

    cinyc (0dca68)


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